Episode 219 - The Opposite of Bright

The frontier wasn’t just wide open—it was wide-eyed and lawless. This week, we’re trading our forensic kits for spurs as we head back to the era of the Wild West. Before there were fingerprints and DNA, there were just grainy "Wanted" posters and a whole lot of audacity.

Research links below!

History - "The Dead Outlaw Whose Mummy Became a Traveling Show Prop"
Library of Congress Blogs - "Elmer McCurdy: Traveling Corpse"
Broadway - "The Wild, Weird True Story of Elmer McCurdy, Broadway's Dead Otulaw"
NPR: Snap Judgement - "The Long, Strange, 60-Year Trip of Elmer McCurdy"
Travel OK - "Elmer McCurdy Grave Site"

 Utah - "Just Who Was the Outlaw Queen Etta Place?"
Find a Grave - "Etta Place"
True West Magazine - "What happened to Etta Place?"
Historynet - "She was romantically linked to the 'Sundance Kid' - but much about her remains a mystery"
Legends of America - "Etta Place - Hanging With the Sundance Kid"

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I could live there if they believed in air conditioning, yeah,

but they have the house purping. That's not the same

and I'm offended. Fuck you. I need air conditioning and

a fan. I mean you can get a fan, that's

for sure. And frankly, air conditioning has become a lot

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today we had fifty So this week our news comes

from China. Oh it was made in China. Okay, so

this is from let me see the Shandu Public Security Bureau. Okay,

police looked at They decided to launch an investigation when

they had gotten reports of these two guys who were

saying that they had witnessed to male giant pandas successfully

mating in the wild. Yes, I love it. Everyone. Through investigation,

two men, one surname Dong from Hulu Dao City in

northeast China and the other one named Gao from heng

Zu in east China. Okay. They were found to have

deliberately distorted facts and use technical means to forge a

screenshot titled Shngdu two male Sishwan giant pandas successfully mate

in the wild for the first time. It was fake.

They posted fake news. It caused a widespread false interpretations,

disrupting online order and producing negative social impact. WHOA why

did they do that? Yeah? I don't know. They were arrested,

a placed under administrative detention, and all of their shit

was shut down for like intentionally spreading false Boy, I

wish that were a thing in America. Said that crazy?

However we get that going over here. I don't know.

I don't know about that. Use help us one a

thing to say, slowly burning over here? Yeah, I know.

I I don't know if the motivation was like just

like fame and if they were trying to make headway

in the scientific community or like mating practices or whatever.

It's so funny because like it's not uncommon for animals,

Like I've read like a bunch about like wolves and stuff,

and like it's not uncommon for like male wolves to

mate with each other. Yeah, like, and that's that's the

thing in the animal Kingdom. So it's not that weird, right,

And how I mean, how many animals are there that

are like multi gendered, you know what I mean, Like

they just like swap out their ship. Yeah, whenever they

need to. That's not like an uncommon, right thing. So yeah,

so that's that's our new story. Today. We're gonna move

on to Netflix to kill which this week is a

HBO and kill Oko Max. We are talking about Burden

of Proof. Oh okay. This is a documentary that is

an HBO original. It is about this girl, fifteen year

old Jennifer Lynn Pandos, who went missing from her bedroom

in Williamsburg, Virginia in nineteen eighty seven. Initially, at the time,

her parents told everybody that she had run away when

her best friend called, they said she was sick. But

then it turns out that there was like a ransom

note that had been left that very said they not

to call police and you know, to put money in

this account. The ransom note also claimed to be from Jennifer,

oh saying like I just need a few days. I'll

be back in like, you know, a few days. Don't

try to contact me. I'll be back in like five days. Suspicion,

which is something they talk a lot about being a

tactic to give somebody more time, right right now, you

do whatever. Totally. So the film actually is shot decades later, okay,

and it follows her brother, her older brother Steven, who

is trying to figure out what happened Oka where she went, Oh,

how sad? You know? The thing is? Is he in

the very beginning? Well, basically the entire it's a series.

It's like a four episode series, I think. Okay, okay,

So he basically suspects his parents being involved. Me too, somehow,

I agree, And there's a lot of evidence that does

I would say, create suspicion, okay, Like it's not. I

wouldn't be like this is the you know, it's not

defend nail in the coffin where it's like, okay, well

it's suspicious certainly, Okay, I see what you're saying. And

some things that happened throughout the investigation of the case,

you know. And it is. So it's about him trying

to find out what happened to his sister, but it's

sort of equally about him navigating this relationship with primarily

his mom while he still feels like they did something

to cause his sister's disappearance, and he doesn't have a

relationship with his father really because of a lot of this.

Oh my god. And it's so it's it's very and

they have interviews with the mom and with the dad

and uh, he's like working with the police departments and

there's a lot of kind of strange shit that comes up,

and you know, his opinion of things sort of changes

by the end of the documentary. It's it's very strange. Okay,

it's really sad, ye on a lot of levels. One

because of the disappearance and just sort of like unknown

status of this girl. But like also it's like ruined

all the relationships he has with his family. Yeah, and

you don't even know if that's true. Oh, that's so sad. Yeah. So,

but it is very interesting, yeah, from an investigative standpoint,

and just from like the amount of his life right

through this that he shares and like the conversations he

has with his mom and they have like interview tapes

from the police of them interviewing his mom and she

this kind of stuff. So it actually was released in

twenty twenty three, so it's been on my list for

a little while now and I finally have gotten back

around to it, and I'm really glad that I did.

It was very interesting. Yeah, it was done well too.

But wow. So that is called Burden of Proof that's

on HBO Max. Definitely check out. This is part of

the show where we say content may not be for

proof for all listeners. Mine is, I mean, mine is

not too bad. Actually, no, mine's not either. I think

I might mention sexual assault like a little bit, but

not yet to This will definitely be one of our

lighter episodes. Yeah, shall we say, yeah, lighter. So Rachel

and I have talked about this previously. I would say

I don't know about on the show, but definitely privately

about our love of watching Minecraft videos. I'm sure you're

gonna wonder where I've gone with this. Just stick with no.

I'm here. So I love it. There is something about

it and people do like narrative series. Some of the

buildings are so good. I really do mean to it's

so calming, it really is. It's a great thing to

put on when I'm going about like something in the background. Yes,

it's great. So there is a streaming group based in

the UK that I watch called the yogs Cast, and

I've been watching them for a lot of years thanks

to a recommendation from a good British friend of mine.

And three of the guys from the Yoggs Cast do

a podcast that I also listened to call the tri

Force Podcast, which is basically two of them are dads,

one of them is not, and one of them is

like the guy who started. It's like dad chat. They

just get together talk about whatever. It's honestly, it's a

really good show. I love it. It's very silly nice.

They just talk about seriously, nothing like you just talk

about So. I was listening to an episode the other

night and one of the guys appear in flax mentioned

that cool name this is like, you know his gamer

Oh okay bags. He mentioned the person that I'm going

to cover today, and the story that he talked about

it was so fucking weird and kind of wild that

I was like, Okay, I need to look into that.

Ok So we're going to cover that. That's where I

was going it listening to this podcast that I listened to,

this case Wild Wild one. Yeah, so we are talking

wild West crimes, yes today and I am going to

be talking about the life and afterlife of outlaw Elmer mccurty. Okay, dude, Okay,

that makes sense. So born in Washington, Maine in eighteen eighty,

mccurty's mother, Sadie, was only seven at the time that

he came into the world Gangan. It's unclear who his

biological father was, and like I said, this is eighteen eighty,

so like she was sort of a social outcast. He's,

you know, a bastard gangang. Yeah. So in order to

sort of avoid this side eye from society, Sadie's brother,

George and his wife Helen adopted McCurdy to raise him

as their own, a pretty common practice I would say

for that time. Baby definitely, And it sounded like Sadie

still lived with them, like she was still there obviously

with that, but they probably were like did the Jack

Nicholson thing where they're like, this is your older sister,

but actually it's his mom. Maybe not even to him,

but like to outside people. They would just kind of

let them assume. Yes, I think that well, I don't

think they told him either, Okay, to be truthful, because

so George dies in eighteen from tuberculosis, okay, and then

following his death, Sadie and Helen, his aunt, moved with

McCurdy to Bangermaine, and when he was in like his

teenage years, it was about then that Sadie revealed that

mccurty was actually her son. Yeah, she was his biological mom,

and that George and Helen was actually his aunt right,

his aunt and uncle. And this must have just very

much rocked his world because he sort of started becoming

very rebellious. This kicked off an incredible drinking habit that

would stay with him. He becomes an alcoholic after this,

well in his teenage years. So at some point, seemingly

after a raucous bar fight, mccurty was shipped off to

move in with his grandfather and he becomes an apprentice plumber. Okay,

this is like the most stable time in his life.

He goes he becomes an apprentice plumber. This job seat,

he's pretty okay at it seems pretty stable. There's also

talk of him like sort of meeting this girl around

this time who was like the only person that really

ever liked him. But then there's this economic turmoil in

eighteen ninety eight and he raises his job and shit

kind of falls apart. You know, the girl leaves, he

doesn't have a job, he starts sprinking again. So there's

like a brief moment where it's like things could be okay. Yeah,

then life's like fuck you, where it's like this could

have really turned out differently, but a sometimes we wouldn't

be talking about this. Yep. So more disappointment came when

Sadie his mom died in nineteen hundred from a ruptured ulcer,

and just two months later his grandfather died from Bright's disease,

which is not really a thing anymore. Yeah, it's like

an old timey thing. Now it's it's called acute or

chronic nephritis, but it's essentially like kidney diseases okay that

are a lot of times accompanied by high blood pressure

and heart disease. They talked about like a calcification almost okay. Yeah,

so it's like an old timey diagnosis right that is

not used in technical terms today. They still will reference

it because at the time it covered like kind of

of kidney diseases. That is like a thing where it's

like I love, like, I watched so many old shows

and it's always funny when it's like, what the hell

are they talking about. I have to look this up.

I've never heard of Bright's disease, but I have heard

of that before. I have heard of it, but I

didn't know what it was. Yeah, it sounds so pleasant,

it does well. It disease like your future isn't because

your kidney is turning to stone. Yeah, the opposite of

bright actually pretty dark. Yeah, so he didn't really have

anything left for him not Yeah, poor guy and Maine.

So he leaves Maine. He sort of drifts around the

eastern coast as a lead miner and plumber, like, working

in various areas. And of course, let's not forget McCurdy

is an alcoholic at this time, so he has trouble

holding down a job, understandable. So he's kind of drifting

around right and rolling stone. Of course, it would be

very on brand for that to be the reason for

his first arrest, you would think. When he was arrested

in nineteen oh five for public intoxication in Iola, Kansas.

In nineteen oh seven, McCurdy joins the army and he

was sent to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Okay. There he learned

how to operate a machine gun. Oh good, great, that's

just what he needs. He was also trained in demolition,

specifically the use of nitroglycerin. Now they do also talk

about like this would not have been an intensive training.

It was probably like a broad over kid. I imagine

it as almost like we tell you this in case

you need to do this, but this will likely not happen,

like okay, you know, So it's just like a very

brief like Okay, here's nitro glycerin. Here's how you sort

of use it. Like yeah, but he's trained. Okay, they

call that trained. Love it. I've had jobs like that

before where I'm like, oh, that's all I get. Oh, oh, okay.

But his time in the Army was short lived as well,

as mccurty was honorably discharged in November nineteen ten. Okay, okay.

So after the Army, mccurty landed in Saint Joseph, Kansas,

where he links up with this army buddy. Okay, and

quickly thereafter both of them were arrested for possessing burglary

paraphernalia including chisels, hack sauce, funnels for nitroglycerine, gunpowder, and

money sacks. You guys, I'm just imagining, like what is

it like they get pulled over and they're like horse

and buggy. Yeah, and it's like I have to search

the back and it's like those stocking caps with the

eye holes in it. Yeah, little striped shirts. Yes, oh

my gosh, exactly. And anytime they mentioned a money sack,

I always just imagine a burlap sack with a dollar sign.

That's what that's immediately, yeah for burglary, because that's how

you do it, is it? I? Well, I wonder like

if it was just a regular sack. Did they only

decide they were money sacks after they saw the chisels

and the hack sauce? Right? Was it a Foegne conclusion

or like, oh those must be moneyes apetitis. I just

dropped off some coffee beans. Yeah, likely story, This don't

smell like a rabica. So they get arrested, they get

picked up when the case finally goes to or they

claim that they only had all of those things because

they're developing a foot operated machine gun. Oh, it certainly

was not for any nefarious reasons. That sounds nefarious. Certainly not.

We're developing this to help our boys and the army

foot machine gun. Yes, okay, for sure they totally bought it.

Oh okay. The jury found mccurney not guilty, and he

was free to embark on his new career. Oh robbery. Oh,

he's like, I promise this is not for robbery. They're like,

does sound like a great idea? Hey, actually, you know

what you guys just gave me. I be honest, Yeah,

I just love that he gets awesome unintent to burglarize.

And he's like, you know, but that doesn't sound too bad. Yeah, now,

I actually so. McCarty thought that he was uniquely positioned

for this new life and robbery thanks to his prior

nitroglycerin training is and use that knowledge to target banks

and trains, and apparently this was not something that was uncommon, right,

Like a lot of not saying that it was like

a perfected art, but like the access to explosives and

nitro glycerin and these things was easy. It was pretty easy.

Like rober the counter, yep, you know, usually the trains

will only have like one cop right, so it's like

you're far away from civilization, you can just take your

horse or whatever and go and rob a train. Yeah,

very normally, But he was not doing this on his

own McCarty had to go to Oklahoma, where he hooked

up with a small group of outlaws. This is from

history dot com quote. The Pinkerton Detective Agency published a

pamphlet in nineteen oh four about a group known as Yeggs.

Like egs, they were in Elm that grew out of

the hobo community. While most hoboes traveled to find work,

Yiggs traveled to commit crimes. End quote. So apparently he

went off and he joined some Yeggs. Uh huh. Although

the intention was there using large amounts of explosive to

blow up in safes and make a heights much easier,

it was often much messier, a lot more messier and

inaccurate in practice. Like they were like, now we got this.

Every time they're like we got this. Oh maybe not sime,

maybe not maybe next time again from history quote. In

March nineteen eleven, McCurdy's group robbed an Iron Mountain Missouri

Pacific train. The heist went according to plan until mccurty

placed a large amount of nitroglycerin on the safe's door.

The charge melted most of the silver inside. Yeah. Ultimately

they left that one with about four hundred and fifty

dollars between the four of them. Okay, they split it

between the four of them, but most of it was

these like melted together silver coins that were just completely destroyed,

and I purchased the sorry they were stuck together. I

promise there's five here. It's really hot in my pocket.

I generate a lot of Yeah. Mccurty would lead another

somewhat underwhelming robbery hoops in September nineteen eleven when they

tried to hit the Citizens Bank in Chautauqua, Kansas. It

took two hours for the men to break through the bank,

while with hammers, they had a got that lookout. When

they finally got inside, mccurty again used nitroglisser and a

nitroglisser in charge to get through the bank's outer vaults. Okay,

the explosion blew the vault door off and like sent

it flying through the bank, like destroying the inside of

the shit. But this this safe insat did insurance exist then?

I don't even know? A little h safe inside of

the vault was fine until mccurty decided to use more

nitroglycer to open the safe door. But those charges never

went off. Girl, what did we learn? Don't use it

either works really well or not all right? Right, all

in all, from that one, the group left with about

one hundred and fifty dollars in coins that they took

from like trays. Oh cute that they had this one

between the fix might take a penny tray. They're like

emptying it under their burlap sacks with the dollar sign.

With the dollar sign. Now. Clearly these small hits were

not enough for McCurdy, who was continuing to drink heavily. Ye,

but when he heard the news about an MKT train going

through a Cassa, Oklahoma carrying four hundred thousand dollars in

O Sage Land royalty payments, it would go down in

history as the largest heist in the United States. Yes,

that is if everything would have which of course it

did it It did not, No way it would have been.

It's so good at that, But it didn't. Oh could

this be? Unfortunately McCurdy and his buddies got on the

wrong train, Oh my god, and instead they got onto

a passenger train like going through the same area. Oh.

The men didn't leave them handed though. They managed to

get forty six dollars. Wow. Two Demi Johns of whiskey. Oh,

demijohn is so for people who don't know, imagine like

the jug of water that they put on water coolers. Oh,

that's a really good description. That is considered a demijohn.

But normally they're back in the day, they were like glass, right,

they're like the huge jugs of whiskey. So they got

two of those, a revolver, a court I'm sorry, a coat,

and a watch. Wow, fans instead of four hundred thousand dollars,

you know, that's just as good land royalty payments. Oh okay,

that would have been nice. Newspapers at the time described

it as one of the smallest heists history. That's so odd. Now. McCarty,

who at this time, he was like staying with a

buddy of his. He had this ranch property and he

was like, yeah, you can sleep in my barn. So

he was just like drinking in the phone while staying

in the barn. Yeah. So he returned after this, imbibed

in the whiskey that he had just stolen. He was like,

I got these demi John's. Yeah, let me go last

of a week and a half, I mean like two days. Right.

Eventually he fell asleep in the Hayloft yep. Meanwhile, authorities

have been notified about this, and they issued a two

thousand dollars reward for McCurry's capture, dead or alive. And

there is also a rumor a possibility that like one

of his complices had given him up as well. Like

the authorities have been like listen, I know where he's at.

Maybe not admitted to doing it with him, but like, hey,

I know where those guy are. Yeah, So either way

they find out where he is. Uh huh. And by

the next morning, authorities surrounded the building and demanded that

McCurdy come out. Sheriff Bob Fentren, who was on scene

at the time, recounted the events of that morning to

The Daily Examiner in nineteen eleven, saying, quote, it began

just about seven o'clock. We were standing around waiting for

him to come out. When the first shot was fired

at me. It missed me, and he then turned his

attention to my brother, Stringer Fenton. He shot three times

at Stringer, and when my brother got undercover, he turned

his attention to Dick Wallace. He kept shooting at all

of us for about an hour. We fired back every

time we could. We do not know who killed him.

On the trail, we found one of the jugs of

whiskey which was taken from the train. It was about empty.

He was pretty drunk when he rode up to the

ranch last night. Oh my god, geez. It's probably still

drugg when he woke up that morning. Probably to this day,

well still doesn't try it out. By the end of

the standoff, mccurty was killed by a single gunshot wound

to the chest. Yep, that'll get you. That'll get you. Now.

That is all interesting. It is love a story of

like wild West outlaws robbing trains, yes, and getting caught

in barns. Yeah, if like they referred to this group

of people as a posse like that kind you can

just see like the tumble weeds going yeah, yeah, exactly,

and they shoot up this barn. Yeah, dies in a standoff, Right,

I would watch that Western. That's all well and good, absolutely,

but absolutely none of that is why I was interested

in the story. Absolutely none of that. It's actually what

happens following mccurty's death that piqued by interest in this story.

Tell me so. Following his death, mccurty's body was taken

to undertaker Joseph Johnson in Pahuska, Oklahoma. Okay, Now, he

at this point didn't have any family left, right, I

was gonna say he really didn't have like any friends,

Like nobody showed up to claim his body. It just

went so sad. They still went through the embalmbing process. Yeah. Uh,

they still went through the embalming process, which at that

time involved an arsenic based preservative. But after six months

of going unclaimed, Johnson had to decide what to do

with this body that was just like hanging around. He

refused to bury it or release it until he got

paid for the work that he did. He's basically like

holding mccurty's body hasside another standoff because he wants his

fucking money. I did I look at how well I

am bombed this guy. Yeah, someone paid me for it. Okay.

So he's like, what am I to do? What am

I to do with this body? So he noticed that

mccurty's body had been perfectly preserved to the point that

it could stand upright on its own. So capitalizing on this,

there was this real culture of like oddities and like

kind of cared. Yes, yep, that was a thing at

the time, so capitalizing on that, Johnson set mccurty up

as the embalmed Bandit, put a rifle in his hands,

and put him on display for viewing at five cents

pop ew as you know at the time, five cents. Yeah.

Mccurty went through a number of names, including the Bandit

who wouldn't give up, a mystery Man of many aliases

because he did use a lot of aliases did, and

the Oklahoma Outlaw ooh there. He remained until nineteen sixteen god,

when suddenly a man named Aver got in touch with

Johnson and claimed to be mccurty's long lost brother. Oh.

Aver had at this point like by the time he

talked to Johnson, he had already gotten in touch with

the o Stage County sheriff and a local attorney who

were like, yeah, you have our permission you can come

take custody of the body. Like totally cool. So he

calls Johnson and is like, Hey, I'm gonna come pick

up mccurty's body my long lost brother. Yeah, yeah, okay.

So the next day Aver and this other guy Wayne

show up in Wayne also claims to be another brother

of mccurtis. Oh, they arrive at the funeral home to

take possession of the body and take it back to

San Francisco so he can have a proper burial. Uh

huh okay, or so they thought I was gonna say

so they thought. In actuality, the body was en route

to Arkansas City, Kansas, and Aver and Wayne were actually

two men named James and Charles Patterson. Turns out they

were with the Great Patterson Shows, a traveling carnival, and

had decided to scam Johnson after hearing about the embalmed

Bandit exhibit. They took mccurty and put him on display

in the carnival as the outlaw who would never be

captured alive Collver and again, this is like the side

show freak show era, and people were really into that.

One of my special interests. Yes, yeah, So he remained

with the Traveling Carnival until nineteen twenty two wow, when

Lewis Sonny acquired the Patterson Patterson's Carnival. Now, apparently one

of the carnees had put mccurty's body up as collateral

on a loan that then went unpaid, so he just

like acquired this body. He acquires his body, and Sonny

took mccurty's corpse and added it to his traveling Museum

of Crime, which included wax replicas of people like Bill

Doolan and Jesse James. Yeah, of course, Sonny's sideshow traveled

in tandem with the nineteen twenty eight Transcontinental foot Race,

and in nineteen thirty three, actually in ninety thirty three,

Sonny lent the corpse out for use by the film Narcotic. Yeah,

so this I had never heard of, but this from

IMDb quote. This exploitation film follows the downward spiral of

an idealistic medical student who's fall from grace leads him

to opium dens, a carnival free show, swanky drug parties,

dingy brothels, and finally the barrel of his own revolver.

Sounds great, Yeah, this was Friday Night. This is very

much in the same vein as like reformand this absolutely

like it's these very much yeah, after school special scare

tactic kind of movies, right solo, So, director Dwayne Esper

would put mccurty's body in the lobby of theaters showing

the film, claiming that he was a dead dope fiend,

saying that he had killed himself while surrounded by police

after he had robbed a drug store to support his habit,

them like taking all of his cowboy clothes off and

putting him in like a drug rug and like like Van,

look at this, druggy. Well this was still nineteen thirty. Yeah,

I know. And in order to explain the mummified in

hard shriveled skin, Esper claimed it was proof of drug abuse.

That's why my skin is like this. Yeah, I've been putting.

That's why you look practically mummified. That's all that. Yeah,

Oh my god. So he was used for that. Then

when Lewis Sonny died, his son Dan Sonny inherits the

business as well as mccurtr corpse. He's still just like yep,

part of the business, and it was his turn to

decide what to do with it. So he apparently didn't

know what specifically to do with mccurty'sh He was placed

in storage okay until nineteen sixty four, when he was

lent to filmmaker David F. Friedman, who used his corpse

briefly in his movie She Freak. Ooh, I don't know

what that one's mean, it's my biography. And then in

nineteen sixty eight, Dan sold all of the wax figures,

as well as mccurty's corpse to the owner of the

Hollywood Wax Museum, Spooney Singh. He had actually purchased the

figures for two other Canadian guys who wanted them for

a show that they were doing at Mount Rushmore. Oh

and so again like mccurty's body just gets sent with this,

he had taken some damage while in their possession, including

the tips of his ears and fingers and toes being

blown off in a windstorm. Oh no. But ultimately they

decided to return mccurty's corpse to sing saying it was

too gruesome and not lifelike enough to display. He's a

real guy. That's so sad. Uh So. Mccurty was then

sold again to the Pike. A sort it's like a

like a theme park. I get the impression it's a

la boardwalk a kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

in Long Beach. Oh then definitely right. Yeah, it's not

I don't want to say theme park. It's more it's

more like a like the sideshow kind of I don't

know exactly what I mean. It's like an entertainment yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

more than a theme park. Yeah, and this was owned

by ed leersh Now Leirs decided to hang his corpse

as a prop in the Laugh in the Dark Funhouse,

like a haunted house and call him the thousand year

old Man. They painted him with this like urdescent paid

stuck hug him by a noose, and he's now like

a haunted house prop. Oh my god, Okay, this is

not this is not even where this sids. It's nothing sacred. No,

put him in the ground. So are you familiar with

a series from the seventies called The six Million Dollar Man? Yes, okay,

so it for again for those that are not. It

was a sci fi series that ran on ABC from

nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy eight about an astronaut

who gets seriously injured and then rebuilt with bionic parts

and employed by a secret government agency. Yes, most folks

our age have heard that opening narration. Yep, we can

rebuild him. We have the technology, We have the capability

to make the world's first bionic man. Steve Awson will

be that man, better than he was before, better stronger fast. Yeah,

so he did not get turned into a biotic man,

which I'm realizing as reading this, I'm like, people might

think that he did not get and he's still with

us today. He's got bionic legs.

Speaker 3: Here he is hellowding, I mean, nomust keep the accent.

Speaker 2: So okay, so six beans. So in season four, there's

an episode titled Carnival of Spies that was filmed at

the Pike. While they were filming this episode in the

laugh in the Dark funhouse, uh, one of the prop

guys like went to go move what he thought was

a wax mannequin hanging from a gallows. When he went

to move the figure, the arm broke off, and to

his surprise, he saw bone and muscle tissue where there

probably should not have been any how traumatic and scary

for that poor guy. I know, I'm like, I would

lose my shit. I quit. So they transported, they called

the police. Production stopped and immediately called the police. They

came to the Pike and they take custody of what

they now know is about it. So like over the years,

it had kind of become forgotten that he was a corpse, right,

Like they were just like, oh, this is part of

the wax mannequins. Yeah, it's very old, you know. Yeah, Okay,

so they take his body. They transported to the LA

Coroner's office for an autopsy that revealed that actually this

was a human being, a human male who had died

from a gunshot wound to the chest. Inside the refer

not drugs like what guy said. Inside of his mouth,

they found a nineteen twenty four penny and various ticket

subs to Lewis Sunny's Museum of Crime. Oh my god.

Like at this point they've figured out that this is

a human mad they're just trying to trace like who

this could be. Yeah, and they're trying really to narrow

down like the time period because that's so preserved and

like mummified basically so interesting. Like I wonder if people

just like shoved it in there. But it's kind of

like a like a spiritual thing to put a coin

in a dead person's mouth, maybe when he died, but

this is like years and years after. No, I know,

I'm probably like curious kids at the side side show.

Yeah right, it's just kids. Yeah, oh my god. So

they're trying to like narrow down the timeframe of when

this guy was who's the body? And when they continued

to like analyze his body, they found that there was

our like high levels of arsenic which led them to

believe he was embalmed in the twenties, as well as

tuberculosis in the lung which he was thought to have

had like when he was killed. They were like, oh, yeah,

he also had at the time tuberculosis, pneumonia, like probably cirrhosis,

Like oh, I'm sure, you know. So they found this

tuberculois in the lungs. They contact Dan Sonny, who was

the son of Lewis Sonny who owned one of the shows,

confirmed that the identity of the corpse was in fact

Almer McCurdy. Oh my god. And this was later confirmed

by historians and a forensic anthropologist that came in. So

they found because as they're doing this autopsy, they find

they didn't find the bullet, but they found the jacket,

the bullet jacket it's still in his chest that like matched. Yah,

you know this is an old West bullet. Yes, right, exactly, exactly. God.

So they find out actually this is this old West

count Yes, yeah, this unsuccessful outlaw. Yes, this is from

the Library of Congress. Quote. In February nineteen seventy seven,

the City Council of Guthrie, Oklahoma, was offered a burial

plot in the boothill section of some of you Cemetery

to give mccurty a proper burial, alongside three other notable

Oklahoma outlaws. One of them was Jesse James, and that

other guy that I mentioned Boo boo something the other

the other guy the other guy. Recognizing a chance to

promote their city, they agreed two months for the grift.

Two months later, a horse drawn hearst brought a plain

pine coffin to boothill where Alban mccurty was laid to

rest At last end quote. This is from NPR snap

judgment quote. People dressed as mourners, A bowl was put

out for a donation. An army of press snapped pictures,

and they poured six feet of concrete over Elmer's body

to make sure that this would be his very last show.

Oh that's good, that's nice. Although he is now permanently underground,

Alma Elmer McCurdy has sort of attained this like folk

hero status now. He even had a Broadway musical made

about his life called Dead Outlaw yep. That ran from

April to June twenty twenty five. I did not see

very good reviews of it, unfortunately. Yeah, but I'm like,

I mean that says something when people are like, let's

make a musical out of your crazy story. Yep. But

that is the story of the life and afterlife of

Elmer mccurty. That's one of those stories where like I

just imagine like him alive, like as a kid going

to affair and seeing like one of those psychics. She's like,

you will attain great fame, and he's like going to

be famous as fuck, and he's like, well, well you

gotta be specific kids. And as much as he has

become a folk hero, like his physical body sort of

became lost to time, right, like the fact that it

had just changed so many hands over so many years,

and at some point that information that this was like

a real corpse just failed to get relayed to somebody,

and now there's like, oh, it's just like this very realistic,

like rubber weird until a guy accidentally breaks off his arm,

like what happened to respect for the dead ship. Well,

and like you said, I feel bad for the guy

who found traumatizing, probably like they're not paying him ship,

he's some interns and why would that's real? No, he's

painted with like glowing the dark paint. That's gross. Good job,

that was gross. Oh my god. Welcome everybody, so the

Wild wild West. Please parallel park your wagons and rustle

up some grub because we're about to get real western

round these here park. As a former professional cowgirl, kind

of I knew this would be your sweet spot though.

I was like, oh my god. Rob always asks like, oh,

what are you guys doing, And I'm like, well, I'm

covering like this one for Western. He was like, what

what topic did VICKI pick? I'm like, that is her topic.

He's like what, yeah, right, it would be your tie.

I know. I couldn't resist. That was such a good Yeah,

that was such a good story. Thank you love that.

I am delighted to be back in the saddle again.

This is definitely one of my little like knee we've

talked on the podcast before. That was my like weird

job for a bunch of years, working at a wild

West themed theme park that no longer exists is now

an auction house. Yep, Oh my god, don't even get

me pressed started. It's so depressive. They would just do

something with the theme park private, right, it's just sitting

there doing nothing. It's probably storage, I would guess, maybe

like door storage for I have insider info that I'll

tell you later. Oh, but you know it is a

shade a sexy grotto like the Playboy Secret Grotto. Oh

my god, Oh my god. There is like a mine

like with water. Oh can you have a gold mine Mermaids?

That was one of my favorite. I was thinking about

that the other day. There was like a little like

gold mining area where it's like the big wooden structure

and then like the the water kind of goes through

with the troughs and every morning. Sorry, sorry to break

the illusion. No, I want to know, Okay, I've always

rendered how this works. Yeah, So there was always like

you know, because there'd be if if nobody came in,

you wouldn't have to put more gold, but like if

it was a busy day, we'd have to replenish it

like during the day. So we got really good it.

We'd go by and like pretend to be looking and

like just put a handful of golden like all secret

like so it looks like it's constantly producing gold. One

of my favorite things is me and this other guy

would try to throw it in the kids' cups in

their little bowls without them noticing, and we got so

good at it. So it's this whole like park wide

competition where it was like who can get rid of

their handful of gold the fastest because we just like

and has this skill carried over into your adult life? No,

I'm really good at beer pong. Oh surprisingly, oh, because

I'm not athletic at all, but that's like little like

Percie things I'm really good at. Because another thing I

did there was I ran the slingshot arena. Like when

I wasn't acting. We would walk around, sometimes we'd cover brakes,

and I always covered the slingshot arena because nobody else

wanted to do it, and I loved it because so

it's just like real shitty like slingshot with a rubber

band and little wooden pellets. But they had this arena

setup where they had hung up things that make good

noise when you hit it, So like I would wait

for the train to come around with the people and

I'd like zing it and hit like a bunch of

the metal pants, so they'd all look and then they'd

like flood in. That was that was my shit, it's

your sales tactic. And it was great because I have

so many I better get on my case otherwise I'll

talk for an hour. But there were a ton of

like dads who would come up and be like, oh, yeah,

I'm really good at that and like be like annoying

in sexist, and I'd be like, great, I have to

sit here all day with nothing to do. I'm going

to challenge you. And I would kick their ass. Oh

my gosh, so fun, so validating, so sexy. The times

of yesteryear I always felt like the ghost of Antioakley,

like smiling like yeah, kick their ass, yeah, yeah yeah.

Today's subject for our wild West themed topic is a

great representation of the era. From rubbing elbows, well, rubbing

all sorts of different things with some of the most

famous of outlaws to her ultra mysterious fate. Her tail

seems straight out of a Louis Lamore novella. I don't

know who that is, he writes, like, I don't know

if he's still alive, but like every like like picture

like those like like Bodice ripper things, like every time

you go to the store and you see those like

dollar pulp novels with like a cowboy with giant pecks, okay,

and it's like the loathsome Outlaw. He's gonna bang all

these bar wenches. It's like people cowboy porn, okay, pretty

much like you know, there's all those books of like

the knownsome Scotsman. He's the cowboy okay. Okay, so he's

that guy, gotcha, but at a place was very much real,

although her origins and her eventual fate are sort of

tumbleweeds in the wind. Okay, she's kind of an interesting character.

I have a picture of her that I'll show you.

Isn't that a good picture? Nice like the time period. Yeah,

she's a hottie. And then next to her, so I'm

showing her this picture that I'll link in the show

notes of a pretty young girl, probably in her twenties.

She's got brown hair and she's dressed fancy. Next to

her is a guy with a mustache who doesn't look

that exciting until you realize that that's Harry Alonzo Longabah,

who is the Sun Dance Kid. Okay, so he's like

the cowboy. Gotcha the cowboy? So who was at a place.

So she was definitely the lover. But according to several sources,

probably the wife of Harry Long about the Sun Dance Kid. Okay,

so she was his wife, and she was a peripheral

associate of let me know, if you let me know,

if you know this Pusse the Wild Bunch, which was

headed by Butch Cassidy. Okay, so it was like Butch

Cassidy the Sun Dance Kid. It's like every time you

read a name from the list, you're like, oh, yeah,

that cowboy. Yeah, got it, Okay, got it, gotcha. So

she was part of that gang. A lot of these

cowboy gangs because of movies and stuff, it seems like

it's such like a man's game, like it's all guys,

but with a lot of them, there were women, Like

all over. Women were a pretty part for these wild

West games. I imagine them. I don't even want to

say like background characters, but they were doing a lot

of the work that wass So like with her, she

is a criminal. She has this big criminal record, she's

done all this stuff. But a lot of the things

that she would do is she would be the lookout,

or I would just say I feel like they tend

to trade an information, yes, or like action, Hey, go

find out when this bank is open. You find out

when they do their transfers. Because no one's going to

suspect a woman in a dress, right, you know exactly.

It's like, oh, there were these big beefy guys hanging

around yesterday. That's suspicious. There was a pretty young girl, right,

it's fine. Yeah, I imagine in a past life I

would have done this. That's why I'm so nosy.

Speaker 1: Now.

Speaker 2: Oh I love that. Maybe you're like, yeah, I might

have done like this kind of work. Okay, when I

read this out, see if anything sparks to you, If

I have any visions, communicate the I will not have

any visions. It's not a thing. Here is the lain

so at a place was probably born around eighteen seventy eight.

Was always described as a beauty. Okay. So the picture

that I just showed you, even though they're not in

what you would consider like wedding attire, some people, including

long About's like living family, have said that that was

their wedding picture. Yeah. So because they were kind of outlaws,

It's like not clear because were they using legal routes

to do things right, right, But that was probably their

wedding picture. That picture was taken in Joseph Young's photo

studio at age fifteen Broadway in New York City. Okay,

and he didn't know who they were. This photographer was

like he didn't know right who he was taking pictures of,

and said that the woman was, you know, very she

could carry herself. Well, she didn't seem out of place,

so that's kind of a fancy area. Yeah, just a

just a nice just a nice lady, Okay, nice lady.

And of course they had both given aliases, which was

a very common thing. Obviously, her name probably was not

at a place. The reason that they think that probably

wasn't her name is Place was the Sun Dance Kid's

mom's maiden name, and sometimes he would use the surname Place, gotcha.

So it's like, was that her original name? Probably not it.

So at some point during her during her outlaw activities

that I'm going to be discussing, they made their way

down to South America, which was also very common kind

of hiding out down there. And a name that's difficult

to pronounce in that dialect is Ethel that people were

having trouble addressing her, so she went by Eda. So

her original name might have been Ethel. It might also

have been Rita, It might also have been Betty. This

was a mysterious wow. Yeah, yeah, so you mentioned in

yours you we talked about the Pinkerton Agency. Yes, very

popular back then, very popular and it kind of made

me laugh. They still exist to Yeah, they do. One

of their the Pinkerton's. One of their main things was

trying to go after the Wild Bunch. So a lot

of this information actually comes from their reports because this

whole time that they were living it up, going to

New York and going to Paris and going to the

they were kind of always behind them, tracking them, waiting

for them to mess up. Okay, So a lot of

the information kind of comes gotcha from them, gotcha. So

what her initial name was, even though she would always

be known as at a place, her initial name was

probably Ethel Bishop. The way that they think that she

got to know all of these sort of outlaw characters

is in women's number one profession in the Old West,

which was prostitution. So she was said to have resided

in a brothel. So there was this notorious madam. She's like,

if you google like wild West madam, it's gonna say

Fanny Porter. And so Fanny Porter had a name, isn't

it great? Yes, Like, I'm just picturing Dolly in bessela

whorehouse in Texas. Have you ever seen That's so good?

That's the first time that she's saying, and I will

always love you cool. She wrote it for the movie

So cute. The costumes are great, They're so inaccurate. Oh,

you'd love it. Oh it's so good. Please smoke and

then watch it. Okay, So Fanny Porter. Uh, so it

was a They don't know that it was a brothel,

but it's like, oh, there are like five women staying

in this house. It's a brothel. It's kind of like, okay,

it's fine. And it was one of the many, like

kind of copycaprothel's nearby the big giant. Hey, if you

can't afford Fanny Porter, you can come by sure the

discount brothel. Right. So, and that was very common. It

was a common area for these cowboys to come and

you know, you know, come, yeah, right correct, come and come,

come and come and come pump and dump, pumping dump.

I started watching oh god. I started watching Southern Charm yesterday. Oh,

one of the guys is talking about getting a stab

in cabin. Ew I know, I know, gross. I was like,

that is the grossest way I've ever heard of it.

You're going to take his shag and wagon to his

stabbing stabon cabin. He to his mother, who was like,

I don't know how that is there in Charleston. So

she's like, I don't know what that is, and her

assistants like, oh, is that you you know what it

sounds like, honey A Oh my god, stabbing cabin, dabbin

cabin's I already hate that guy. I hope that he

never gets any stabin dudes. We'll talk about the show something.

I'm like, one episode in for anybody who actually watches

this show, awful. All of these people are awful. Oh

my guy, so a total cybar No, I love it.

So this is again all of this is kind is

is hearsay based in history. So it's like I believe

I did. I fell down like a total rabbit hole

in this case because there's a couple different people that

people were trying to connect her too, like, oh, maybe

she was this person, Maybe she was this person. I

believe that she was Ethel Bishop, and I believe that

she did stay at the brothel. How they got connected

and under what circumstance is kind of dust in the wind.

But the one of the raining story is because she

would have been pretty young, one of the sort of

and again it's like, is this romanticized? Probably, but when

she was sixteen, the story is that the Sun Dance

kids saw her there, may or may not have engaged

her services, but that he quote unquote like rescued her.

He like took her away. She was like, come be

a criminal with me, and she went, okay, all right,

I got nothing else going on. Yeah, it's fine, which

I will say, in that time period and in that situation,

like she wouldn't have been regarded like in the town

and stuff as this like horrible fallen woman. Like prostitution

built the wild West. Yeah, that was the entire reason

the towns were formed. Where you'd have a church, you

would have a store, and you would have a brothel. Okay,

and that's when the men would come. So it's like

it wouldn't have been like that. And probably a railroad

at something causing the railroadman. Correct, that's you can. You

can track through the wild West where it's like going

from like brothel to brothel connected with the only reason

let me tell you this because I am typically not

into like the Western. Yeah, yeah, that's really not your thing.

The only one I watched was the one that had

Antson Mount in it. It was called Soun's like a

porn star. What no, he's a guy hell on wheels.

I don't know that. It was a show on AMC.

It had to do with them building the railroad. But

they have these railroad towns and you know, drama and things,

but it was literally like the railroad town, the church,

the brothel and a bar. Like that's kind of like

what was there? And only I bring this up because

I met Anson Mount what so back in the day

when I worked at best Buy. He would Okay, so

his brother who has the same name, Oh my god,

I'm not even kidding you, because they've come in together.

That's crazy. Was like, oh yeah, I saw my brother's

face on this DVD blah blah blah blah blah. And

then they came in and bought a laptop from me. Uh,

and he was there and I didn't realize it was him.

Because the guy was like, oh, yeah, we talked to

you and said, oh, yeah, you're the one with the

brother who's like on TV or whatever. And he was there.

Oh my god sort of you know, Oh that's cool.

Somebody pointed it out to me after they left, and

I was like, I didn't even realize I was too,

so I watched the show afterwards. That's pretty good. Wow,

Oh my god, that's my story of meeting a semi

famous person. Wow. Famous of corn anyways continued and that's

why I know there were railroads by the Brothels. Yeah,

but that really it is. That's something that like, if

you're interested in like women's history throughout the US, they

are not often talked about, and they're talked about with

very modern puritanical ideas. But prostitutes formed the Wild West.

There would be no economy in the Wild West if

it were not for prostitutes, right. That was one of

the only ways they could make their own money and

keep it. Those places rarely had like male involvement. They

were run and operated by women.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: So period. Yeah, period. So going back to them, her

and the Sun Dance Kid being married and a kind

of after their main outlaw activities. Now they're kind of

using their money and like traveling the world, avoiding the

FED or pretending to be fancy people. There was like

a whole thing that I read where she was in

Paris and she got like all of her clothes fitted,

and she was buying all of these jewels, and everyone

just assumed that she was like a regular fancy lady. Sure,

which for like a teenage prostitute for bumfuck Texas is

like amazing, yes, amazing. You know, are we trying to

glamorize her, not necessarily, but maybe a little bit. You definitely,

I am, you are. Definitely. She never killed nobody. I

don't give a fuck. So after taking that picture, her

and him boarded the HMS herminus uh in New York. Uh.

They took it to Argentina. Uh. Traveling with them was

Butch Cassidy, who at the time was claiming to be

Edda's brother. This is why, like this is also confusing,

because it's like they were all using aliases. They were

all pretending, you know, oh, this is my brother and

now he's my husband, and now I'm blah blah blah

blah blah. Yeah, so very confusing. Eda at one point

so this is where it gets a little bit complicated.

Eda at one point because they went to Argentina and

her and the Sun Dance Kid bought and operated a ranch,

like a regular cattle ranch, and it was actual pretty successful,

and they operated it for about six or seven years.

Six and uh, we're doing pretty good. But it seemed

like the outlaw life was kind of like, hey, this

is way easier, right, and it's more fun. Yeah, they

were like fuck these cows. But at some point during

her stay, because I think they at first intended that

to be like this is where how we're going to

live our life. Now we're done. We hung up our

lassos and our per lap sacks, and now we're going

to be normal ranchers. And then they got bored. At

some point, it's confirmed that Edda had to go back

to the United States, probably in Texas, for an operation

that was like a stomach operation. It was like pretty serious, okay,

And so she had to go and do that. So

reports differ on whether or not she went back to

Argentina with him. Gotcha, they're not sure, okay, because what

would allegedly, well what would actually happen is that Butch

and the Sun Dance Kid would be killed in Argentina

in a shootout. The Pinkerton Agency would follow them down there.

There was this whole crazy shootout and they were both

killed and that was the end of them. There were

other people with them, but not her. Okay, okay, I

think there actually even might have been a woman there,

but they knew that it wasn't that, it wasn't her.

What probably happened is that she stayed in Texas. There's

reports from like the Sundance Kid's family who were like,

we were getting letters from him and stuff. They think

that probably she got remarried to a normal, non outlaw

type guy and pursued teaching and then and then died,

and that's pretty much it. There is like a weird

report that I kind of think is her, where a

woman showed up to the uh what do they call it,

the the the like Representative Office Argentina, Well, like the

consulate that's yes, yes, yes, embassy right right, that's what

I'm thinking. She showed up and was like, hey, I'm

looking for Longbow's death certificate. I need help in obtaining that.

They were like, why would we give that to you?

That's very strange. Who are you that you need that,

it's weird. She was like, don't worry about it, and

they were like, why why nobody, I'm just interested in history.

It's fine. She's like, but I just need his death certificate.

Don't worry about it. And so they were like, okay,

well we could have you, like come back, why don't

you come back and then we'll figure it out. She

never came back, okay. So the only thing that that

would prove is that she was still alive at that time,

which was like nineteen o nine, which wouldn't have been weird.

She wouldn't have been very old or anything, but it

fit her description. When they talked to them afterwards, they

were like, that actually might have been his wife. Oh

that's pretty crazy. I mean, that would make sense, right,

But of course she was clever enough if it was her,

she was clever enough to not leave them with any information, right,

because there are rumors that before that she had died

in like a San Antonio earthquake. There were rumors that

she had she had been at the shootout and then

had moved to Alaska. There there were claims that she

had taken her own life. Now, when I say, like

a lot some of this information is from like Butch

Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid's family, you had you

would think like, oh, well, that's very accurate. You have

to take that with a grain of salt always because see,

not to you, but maybe to others of course, because

they want to obviously if it's your family member, and

if it's someone who a lot of his family was

like he was a hero, you know, which like can

be doated. You know, we're not going to go into that,

but like they do want to kind of skew it

in their favor. Yeah, so it's like a lot of

the like romantic he rescued her from from the brothels

seems to have come from them, which of course would

be very easy because in that time, like obviously the

records were not kept as well, even like the newspapers

and the news at the time was either not kept

well or romanticized, very sensationalized. And that's exactly exactly it,

because yeah, so the family so in the seventies, but

Cassidy's sister had told he did some big said stational

interview and had said that her brother had not died

in the shootout and had come back and like lived

with Eda, which is almost certainly not true. He died

to death, He died to duck, he died. There are

still people who were like, they escape the shootout and

they put people there in their place, which, of course,

again due to the poor record keeping of the day,

is possible, but due to the Pinkerton agencies like heavy

involvement and how famous they were at the time, I'm

kind of like, meh, yeah, probably not, probably not. She's

certainly dead now, unless she's hanging in a haunted house somewhere. Now,

Oh my god, no, Now, every mannequin I'm gonna be like,

is dead. So the only thing that we know for

sure we don't even know for sure if they were married.

The u information about her involvement with crimes is like, well,

she was there, but it's like, did she ever kill anybody?

Did she ever directly, like even point a gun at anybody?

Not sure? Because of the amount of pretty brown haired

women who out with them, of co, We're not sure, yes.

But so the only thing that we know is that

she was a gorgeous woman who carried on a romance

with at least one of them. It's also rumored that

she was with Butch Cassidy as well, because I mean

that these cowboys would kind of take women along, right,

and if that was her profession, maybe it was like, hey,

that's how the whole, the whole, yep gang. It was

common on ships too, just gross and unfortunate. I'm you're

not supposed to take women on ships. I thought it's

bad luck. Isn't that bad luck? Well, unfortunately I have

Laura about that. Unfortunately they weren't considered women. Oh cool, right,

all right, that doesn't count that. That's just our flesh

light with legs. Okay, yeah, that So the only thing

we know is that she was hanging out with some outlaws,

getting into a wrong crowd. So she she is like

one of the most mysterious women of the West. Love that.

Love that. I don't have to tell you things are bad.

Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody their job.

All right, Well, that has been our episode, Sure has,

sure has a little trip back to the wild West.

How do you have any final thoughts before we wrap up?

Just makes me miss my old job. So I still

feel the mud clining to my skin. I don't miss

my old job at the neighboring Railway Museum. I was

gonna say, funny twins. It was always so cute when

like all of a sudden, we'd like turn around, they'd

be like groups of little kids and they'd all be

wearing like Thomas the Tank Engine trains and we'd be like,

did you come from the museum, And they were always like,

how did you know? And I'm like, I don't know,

you're wearing a train. I love the train Museum. No,

it's so cute. I mean, I'm sure now that you

have sons, yeah, oh my god. They loved They are

probably very into twains, loved Big Twains. Yes, I had

to work Thomas days. So now that yeah, okay, Well

that has been our show. Our sound editing is by

Tiff Fullman. Our music is by Jason Zakshowsky. Do your Enigma.

This has been the Bad Taste Crime Podcast. We will

see you in two weeks. Good bye.

Speaker 1: Along as the Highway, I think was the way that

the people washed over West Town. All people were wearing

Speaker 2: Some form or another