Episode 220 - Adam III
One minute they’re standing right there; the next, there’s nothing but a cold trail and a lot of awkward questions. This week, we’re diving into the art of the disappearing act—no magic wands, just empty rooms and cases that refuse to stay closed.
Research links below!:
Goodreads - "Ambrose Bierce"
Poetry Foundation - "Ambrose Bierce"
The Paris Review - "Very Trustworthy Witnesses"
Britannica - "Ambrose Bierce"
Reactor - "The Weirdness of Ambrose Bierce: From 'Owl Creek Bridge' to Horror and Satire"
Literary Hub - "No one knows why Ambrose Bierce disappeared, but here are some theories"
Legends of America - "Bennington Triangle, Vermont"
Sharon A. Hill - "Triangle Trope of Vermont: Bennington"
Vermonter.com - "Bennington Triangle: Vermont's Unsolved Mystery Where 5 People Vanished (1945-1950)"
The Bennington Evening Banner - "Monday Combination of Pine and Other Evergreens and a Check Possible Foul Play in Disappearance of Jepson Boy"
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want It's you gotta worry about.
Speaker 2: Something. If I couldn't keep them there with me whole,
at least I felt that I could keep their skeletons.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Bad Taste Crime Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Rachel, I'm Vickie.
Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: Hi everybody. We all do one said, I'm hopefully.
Speaker 3: Okay, hopefully not in a pit of despair.
Speaker 2: You know, I let out a large side you. It
was from the soul.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, girl, you're very tired.
Speaker 2: She needs I am. It's we are in nap territory,
so close to ci Usta. Oh class it is, it
really is. But first we got to talk about like
some crimey thing. Yeah, I'm like murder and.
Speaker 3: Death and such. You just gotta stay away for a
little bit longer.
Speaker 2: But before it, but well, this is your first time listening.
A special hello to you, special Hello. Well, first we're
gonna head over to the news room.
Speaker 3: Let's go there.
Speaker 1: Food watching today we had.
Speaker 3: Fifty Okay this week our news Oh boy, oh boy,
it's a doozy Okay.
Speaker 2: So this is from Louisiana. Okay, where thirty five year
old Rutledge Dias was charged with Okay, so you got
arrest Okay, got arrested for the third time because come on, retlige,
I'm trying to find her the actual charges. But basically,
Creepy posed as somebody who was looking for a nanny
to assist with the care of a person with special needs,
and after making contact with the person online, he invited
them to his house and he basically posed as somebody
who was special needs that needed diaper changings. Right, So
there's that. Yeah, he was arrested in both twenty nineteen
and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Because he in fact does not have special needs. Basically
the same thing, yeah yeah, changed by dipe.
Speaker 2: So in twenty nineteen he was arrested and booked with
ten counts of sexual battery and human trafficking and one
count drugs. That was the same sort of thing where
he posed to somebody who needed a caretaker for someone
with special needs and then poses that needs person when the.
Speaker 3: Caretaker came over and like, what a coincidence.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, they had arrested him for posting
as a younger man with special needs and hiring babysitters
who he would pay to change his diaper and treat
him like a child. In December of twenty twenty days
plead guilty to the charge related to this investigation was
placed on probation, and so then they start the second
investigation and there's like text messages and all this other shit.
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's a thing, dude, like it. We've talked about
this before. You can do whatever you want as long
as you're consenting adults.
Speaker 2: You can't sing it with all people. You can't change
your diaper there.
Speaker 3: I swear to God, there's a community online for you
and you can be like, pretend to be whatever.
Speaker 2: That's fine unless the only thing is I'm like, unless
he has a fetish about people not knowing you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, that's part of it. But that's I don't think
so a different. I feel like that's a difference.
Speaker 2: Being gross and weird. Yeah, that's not great. I'm not
here to yuck anyone's young. But like you said, there's
there's a place, a line. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like you could find somebody, Yeah, you really could.
This is a good rule of being alive. You are
not the weirdest person. It's true on Earth there are
people weirder than you and that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yes, takes all kinds. Yeah, we are going to move
on to Netflix and Kill, which this week is an
HBO Max and Kill. We are talking about season two
of one of my emerging favorite shows, The Curious Case
of Oh yeah, that show is back Baby. Originally started
as a Curious Case of Natalia. Grace did that for
two seasons, very branched off in the Curious Case of
series that now looks at different right, a couple each episode.
So they did a season one, a full season one
where they talked about Bambar Jero was the big one.
Speaker 3: Yes, they talked about much better now. Yes, yeah, they
talked about a bunch of stuff. Season two just started.
Speaker 2: Oh boy. So the first one has to do with
this guy who what is his name, doctor Robert O. Young,
who was successful after this book where he talks about
it's called the pH Miracle and it has to do
with making having an alkaline diet and like all this
other stuff. And he's saying he can like cure cancer
and like holistically right, and anyway, he's in jail for
something now, So there's that. There's Also, the second episode
had to do with this Russian woman who stole the
identity of oh yeah yeah yeah another like beautician, tried
to kill her, tried to poison her, went on to
poison this other guy. Turns out she was wanted for
murder in Russia, Like she'd be murdering crazy. There is
the one that's currently on. It's I think a two parter,
but it has to do with what is her name,
don Delaise, who was like in this rivalry with this
other beautician who had a store next door to hers. Yeah,
something like very strange story. That's a two parter. There's
also the ones I have not aired yet apparently something
about a teacher who hypnotized his students. Oh, a woman
who committed several crimes while pretending to have cancer, a
town impacted with several Tourette synde syndrome diagnosis, and a
woman who took care of her late husband and sisters corpses. Oh,
very excited, what is to come? I love this shit.
This is actually I believe in ID Discovery. I think
property but it's on Max. They in my opinion, do
a really good job. It is a little bit of
that standard, like I don't know. There's just a way
they put these together. It's like a little bit more
like boom sensational.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well it's like and then you have to
do that to make it interesting television. There are so
many good cases that it's like you need a little
bit of production value.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So but they the stories that they cover are
just kind of fascinating, bonkers. Yes, I'm like, really find
all these I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know, but I would highly yes, suggest it
because I think they do a very very good job.
If you haven't seen season one, definitely check it out.
If you haven't seen a Curious Case of Natalia Grace,
also check that out.
Speaker 3: What are You Doing with your Life?
Speaker 2: Crazy Story? Yes, but they are all available on HBO Max.
This is that part of the show where you say
content may not be appropriate for all listeners. Mine is
actually not terrible. It's not too terrible. But what are
we talking about today? Rachel?
Speaker 3: So my title for this one was where are they at? Though?
Speaker 2: Because where are they at?
Speaker 3: The because we are doing mysterious disappearances.
Speaker 2: People who like where are they we.
Speaker 3: Don't know where are they at?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's fair, I mean that's fair. This is always
one of those Unforred, I mean, unfortunately, there is a
wealth of cases to choose from. Yes, pretty missing folks,
A lot of ways you can go with this.
Speaker 3: So I kind of figured i'd, I guess, challenge myself
a little because I'm so nosy that these piss me off.
I can't watch like like I love like we've covered
like unsolved mysteries before. I can only watch a couple
of those because I'm like, no, but now you need
to tell me where they're at because I need to
know the answer. Yeah, and they can't because that's the
nature of the show, right, So I can't do that.
Speaker 2: I need unsolved mysteries.
Speaker 3: If it was they did call it solved mysteries right exactly,
that would be a whole different I watch. I would
watch them have solved the demographic for the show, just
so you know we're gonna solve the mystery by the
end of the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, Like, no, you see that.
Speaker 3: Loose thread, we're cutting it. We're not doing that wrap
it up to be a little more serious. I can't
imagine much that would be like more painful for a
family than your loved one going missing, Like to not
know it has to be like so scary, so terrifying,
like and I'm I'm just not a person, as I've said,
who's satisfied with that kind of thing like I would. God,
there's a there's a woman, have you seen the woman
on TikTok who her mother was murdered and they found
like where her body was, but it's in like a
like a creek bed. So she taught herself. She took
courses on diving, like crime scene diving, and she is
collecting her mother's skeleton. Really so I'll link it to you.
It is so sad, but it's like amazing. But I'm like,
oh my god, so heavy. But it's like that's what
that's what people do. And it's like where where is
this person? Right like And the more people that know
that person, the more that feeling of like uncertainty and
frustration grows. When it's like because I've honestly, like a
bunch of famous people have gone missing, right there are
quite a few cases, and I'm covering one of those
two days. Okay, Today's mysterious subjects still raises eyebrows across
the globe, going from an acclaimed author to the star
of his own unsolved disappearance. This is the story of
Ambrose Beerce Okay, now Ambrose.
Speaker 2: Which I think is like such a fun name is Ambrose.
Speaker 3: Ambrose was born in a humble log cabin in the
at the time mostly untamed wilds of Ohio.
Speaker 2: Okay, because it was like eighteen forty two, so a
lot of it was still like woods.
Speaker 3: This humble beginning was the perfect existence for his very
puritanical parents. Of course, his parents like lineage can be
traced back to like their famili has been Puritans for
like a bazillion years, Like they're related to like the
main guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, og yeah og, which.
Speaker 3: I thought Puritans. I don't know a lot about Puritans,
to be honest with you, like off the top of
my head. But like I was, like I thought they
were like big prudes, you know. Yeah, but they had
thirteen children.
Speaker 2: Well, so they probably identify with this idea of like
like similar to like the quiver full, you know what
I mean, where it's like children literally have children until you.
Speaker 3: Die, right right right, it's dumb. And they did live
on a farm. People who lived on a farm had
because it's just free fad babies.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But all the thing I think is super funny because
like was the super uncommon. No, it's a high number,
but it was more uncommon because the women would die.
So she last, she was like a thing.
Speaker 2: I'll just keep having kids.
Speaker 3: But all thirteen of them had names that began with
the letter A.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it sounds awful. I have the list. Let
me see. So he was number ten.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the list goes Abigail, Amelia, and Addison, Aurelius, Augustus,
ammeld Oh, Almada, Andrew, Albert Pickle, not pickle, pickles a cat.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you gotta focus in on what we're doing.
Speaker 3: I got scared there was a movement in the hallway.
It's a cat. Pickle was not one of the siblings
because it doesn't start with A. Andrew, Albert Ambrose are
Pale Ambrose, Okay, Arthur, Adelia and Aurelia.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I like how they have Aurelius and Aralia.
Speaker 2: I feel like the girls got very average names. Got
the real fun like Roman emperors. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I foolish it around kid seven, I would just
run out of a names. Adam, Adam Apple, Adam Adam,
and over and over and over again, Adam Adam to
Adam three.
Speaker 2: Literally.
Speaker 3: His parents, who obviously shared a love of doing it
because they had so many children, and a love of
farming because they had their farm, also shared a love
of reading. They were like a very literary family, which
is really cool. The husband and the wife were both very,
very into reading. I don't know how they ever had
time to open a book with thirteen fucking kids. I
have two kids, and I like barely reading.
Speaker 2: I had to be pregnant for a while. Oh that's true, Just.
Speaker 3: Like I can't go out and like sop the fields.
I had to lay down with a book.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, I love that.
Speaker 3: No Cable and their literary inclinations would rub off, particularly
on Ambrose. Eventually the family would move to Indiana, which
is where Ambrose did the majority of his like growing
up Okay. He attended some high school there, but left
at about fifteen for a pretty badass job opportunity. He
was working for an abolitionist newspaper.
Speaker 2: Oh nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went down like a little rabbit hole because
I was like, what so thet The little newspaper was
a local newspaper called the Northern Indiana, Okay, and it
was very criticized at the time because they were like,
slavery is bad, of course, and he was working as
because I was like, at fifteen, what, like, he's like
writing stuff that doesn't make sense. He was a they
called it a printer's devil, which was their name for
like an apprentice. So he would help work the printing press.
He would mix tubs of ink and like, I'm sure,
like move all the little letters around. Writers including Walt Whitman,
Mark Twain, and Benjamin Franklin all started as printer's devils,
so it was kind of a way to break into
the business, which is really cute.
Speaker 2: I was wondering.
Speaker 3: I was like, so why it was so interesting to me?
This was like the most interesting article in the world.
I was like, why is it a printer's devil? Like
why do they call it that?
Speaker 2: That's so weird.
Speaker 3: So there's a couple different ideas from it. So their
hands and their their arms and like even their faces
would become stained black because they were handling so much ink.
Speaker 2: So that's one.
Speaker 3: Possible explanation for it. One of the like when they
would use the type and then they would discard it.
The name for one of the boxes was the hell box,
like hanging around the hell box, you're the printer's devil.
And it also could have been racist because some of
these boys were like, you know, little white farm boys
who could read and didn't want to like play with
cows or whatever. They were like, actually, I'm gonna do
this instead. But sometimes they were like young black boys, yeah,
who had like had been taught to read. So it
was sometimes we could have been with everything exactly. It
was like, oh, it's that like Wikipedia thing where it's
like I'm in like the entomology thing and it's like
what's the next tab?
Speaker 2: Oh, possible racism got to great.
Speaker 3: But again it was such a thing. This is I'll
show you a little picture from a print shop in London.
It's like a little devil. So it's like a thing
that they use in their business.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: I just thought that was so cute, you know, falling
down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Not sure to do that. I'm always on tasks. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he was so interested in writing and obviously political
from a young age. So that's how he sort of
like nurtured his love for that. So he had left
high school at that point, had been working for the
newspaper and then decided because obviously this is the early
to mid eighteen hundreds war is a bruin, yes, of course.
So he, like all young boys of the era, was like,
all right, I probably got to go do that. So
he went to the Kentucky Military Institute for a couple
of years. It actually closed because of a fire, so
he was like, I guess that's done. That's a sign
because it's on fire, so maybe I shouldn't go there anymore.
And then when the Civil War started, he enlisted. So
he was in the ninth Indiana Infantry. Okay, so he
he was present at like the first so this was
the first organized land action of the war, which was
the Battle of Philippy, So that was like the first battle.
So he was present there, and he actually got like
a little like locally famous because he under fire, like
had a very daring, dramatic rescue of another person who
was like gravely wounded. He like, you know, pew pew, Yeah,
no problem, and rescued his comrade. Right, this, all of this,
all of this war, all of this fighting, all of
this Civil War happening, would also greatly influence his later writings.
As I would expect, as you would expect, he ended
up making it up to first lieutenant. Wow, fancy man
from being born in a log cabin to first lieutenant Okay, sir,
he was And this was the thing, is a lot
of these people, a lot of these soldiers just because
of the way it was at a time. I mean,
he also had left high school. A lot of them
were not super educated, but he could not only read
and write, but he had like political opinions, so he
had like a lot of like no how so it
seemed like that really helped him like climb the ranks. Sure,
and he helped out by helping the cartographers like make
battle maps. Okay, so he he was like, oh, ink,
I got this shit. Yeah, I don't even know how
good I am at ink at Like near the end
of the war, he was like gathering a lot of
I guess, like letters of recommendation from like General Sherman.
Speaker 2: In endorsing.
Speaker 3: Like they were like, Okay, if he lives through the battle,
we're going to make sure that he goes to West
Point and like becomes this like professional soldier because he's
really fucking good at his job.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, in June eighteen sixty four, he was at the
Battle of Kennesaum Mountain, where he would sustain a pretty
severe traumatic brain injury. Okay, so he was that whole
summer he was like on furlough because his head was
fucked up. He did return to active duty, but it
wasn't the same After that. He had trouble because of
his injury and would end up resigning his commission in
January eighteen sixty five because he was like, I can't,
like I can't fully be here right because I have,
you know, all this all because brain the injury. The
injury was traumatic to me. But he was awarded the
rank of brevet major, which is like a big deal
before resigning. So obviously he was still doing a good
job and he helped out with all kinds of different
He was doing the map making, so he was traveling
doing that, all the cartography, and he was also inspecting
military outposts, so a lot of what he was doing
and I kind of think that must have been like
what was so hard on him was like the constant travel, Yeah,
I imagine, right, yeah, but he wasn't just like shooting
guns for fun, like he was doing all kinds of
like technical shit, right. So he resigned and ended up
in San Francisco where he joined up with lots of
local newspapers.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he did all.
Speaker 3: Kinds of things, including crime reporting. So I like to
think if he were alive today, he would have a
bang in podcast. He'd have him next time Ambrose beers
Hello Hello.
Speaker 2: He'd probably be too famous for us.
Speaker 3: He's like ill here, so he was still he still
uh traveled for his job here and there as this
like big journalist. He was doing like a bunch of
different things. He tried to manage like a New York
mining company that failed, and then he went back to
San Francisco and kept being a journalist. And then he
would edit several magazines. He was the editor for a
magazine called The Wasp, and in all of these he
would become one of the most prominent and influential like
West Coast journalists. He was doing a lot of like
different like opinion columns. He would talk often a lot
of his like main points, because like, of course, when
you start, you got to talk about what they want
to talk about, and then when you get famous, you
can talk about what you want to talk about. And
what he wanted to talk about was how he hated everything.
He was just kind of like I don't know if
he was necessarily like a nihilist, but he was fairly apolitical.
He wasn't interested in like the intricacies of politics. He
wasn't interested in like all of these rich men like
and a lot of his values we were somewhat puritanical,
but not like prudish. Yeah, he just was like, let's
cut to the brass tacks, like all he saw through
like what everybody was doing. Yes, yeah, So he was
pretty valued as this like sort of aggressive guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In fact, I thought that you would find this really interesting.
I found this very confusing, but you will find this
really interesting. So there was this whole thing that he
was involved with that made him even more famous, which
was this refinancing bill for like a railroad. So the
Central Pacific and Union Pacific railroad companies, okay, had been
getting a bunch of like big low interest loans from
the government to build the first transcontinental railroad. So that
show you were watching, the executive Collis P. Huntington had it, says,
persuaded a friendly member of Congress to be like, he's like, hey,
you know, this shit costs a lot of money. I
think that we actually shouldn't have to repay the loans,
and the congress member was like, totally, totally, I agree,
I love it. Thanks for the money. I'm sure you
gave me to do this. Persuaded a friendly member my ass. Right.
So William Randolph Hurst, the big author, he knew ambro
Brose Beer our guy because he was working for one
of his like magazines. Okay, so he saw this like
happening in the government, was like, this is bullshit. He's
like he was going to be able to have enough
pull to affect this. He's like my crumpy old pal Ambrose.
So he dispatched him to Washington, d C. And was like,
what you're gonna do is because the sneaky executives were
trying to do what they do now, which is sneak
shit through Congress without anybody noticing, because if the public
found out about it, they'd be like, we actually do
think you have to repay the loan. Sure, but they
were like, we don't want to. We want to keep
that money, okay, So they were trying.
Speaker 2: To sneak it through.
Speaker 3: So he went there to be like, you're not sneaking shit.
Speaker 2: Nice, I got a megaphone here.
Speaker 3: He didn't have a mega very cool, but I'm sure
he talked very loud, so he like went to Congress
to pretty much be as loud as possible, like, pay,
does everybody see what these assholes are doing? Huntington the
big wig. Actually there was like a big confrontation on
the steps of the Capitol.
Speaker 2: How poetic is this? And was like, hey, I want
you to go away. Stop being loud.
Speaker 3: Hey, stop it, I'm doing crimes.
Speaker 2: You stop that.
Speaker 3: He's like, no, I will not. And he's like, well,
I'll pay you. I'm a very rich man much to
make you go away. And he said, my price is
one hundred and thirty million dollars. If when you are
ready to pay, I happen to be out of town,
you may hand it over to my friend, the Treasurer
of the United States, because that was the amount they
were supposed to repay.
Speaker 2: So like, how cute is that. He's like, that's my price. Yeah,
bitch it, that's funny.
Speaker 3: It made such a stir because obviously he's this like
poetic author, so he's like just like slamming off lines.
This created such public outright cried that the bill was defeated. Yeah,
which is pretty cool. It's very good job Ambrose. Mmmmmm,
so he was getting fairly popular. He was better known
during his lifetime as a journalist, but I think we
would know him now more as a novelist, okay, which
is just I think the lasting quality of novels as
compared to like articles, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: To find So he wrote.
Speaker 3: His most famous short story is called an Occurrence at
Owl Creek Bridge.
Speaker 2: I know that, yes, okay, I do know that. So
I don't know it because of the writing. Right, we
watched the film. It was like one of the first
films that we watched in the film class I took.
I was going to say a film all over film class. Yes,
I do know that. And there's a video game based
on that.
Speaker 3: Yes there is, like there's ye pixel art kind of
It's it's one of those like uh. He's compared to
Edgar Allan Poe a lot and his writing style. Okay,
so he did a lot of he didn't do as
much horror as he did like sort of aspects of horror.
There are aspects of horror, aspects of science fiction, aspects
of like certain things like that.
Speaker 2: Like psychological I don't even want to say thrillers, but
just like a psychological shift.
Speaker 3: There was always something like in an occurrence at Owl
Creek Bridge two hundred year old spoiler. Yeah, you know
a soldier from the Civil War who I think had
been like a Confederate and was going to be hanged
for his crimes at Owl Creek Bridge. But he it's
kind of like a time skip story where you like,
you think that he escapes, you watch him like, I
think the rope breaks and he goes in the river. Yeah,
he like, and then he runs it's his home, and yeah,
all this stuff that happens, and then at the end
of the work you find out that he was just
imagining it and he gets hanged and he dies.
Speaker 2: It's like the last visions he has as he's falling
through the air, but as your or watching it being hanged,
as he's.
Speaker 3: Being hanged, right, because he feels like the wind on
his face is like, well at you.
Speaker 2: That's like it's like the last it's crazy crazy. It's
uh interesting though.
Speaker 3: Especially for the psychological right. But it also like he
was a soldier, so his time in the war, like
he led a lot of realism to his stories. But
that kind of like I feel some of you who
are listening are like, Okay, like that's not that crazy.
For the time, it was crazy. Definitely, that was crazy.
Definitely people thought he was a nut. Yes, yeah, but
that that's like the most famous. So he did a
lot of like collections of short stories, different short stories,
because that's it's not terribly long and you can actually
read it for free online.
Speaker 2: The film is like maybe ten minutes. Yeah, it's not
it's very short.
Speaker 3: And that's another reason that he was compared Dead grayl
and Poe is like a lot of like short stories.
That's the way you make money, right, right. It was
all about volume, quality, quantity over quality. Yeah, that's I
mean just but those are good, yes, yes, So he
was this like super famous author. Kurt Vonnegut loved his
work and like would continue to cite him as like
a source of inspirations.
Speaker 2: This like he's this big ass dude. Nice.
Speaker 3: So his his personality, so I've said a little bit
of called him like you know, this grumpy guy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: He just kind of was known as this sort of
prickly individual. He was just kind of a grouch. And
I think part of that is that he was very
political in a time where it was not popular to
be an abolitionist. He was like a big abolitionist, but
he was more I don't know, like the the He
wasn't a nihilist, but he had that sort of point
of view I guess where it was less about like
the passion for like, well, I just want everyone to
be able to live free, and it was more like, hey,
this is stupid, let's not do this, you know what
I mean. He was kind of like a like a
like a grouchy, like a grouchy guy, just a little
just a little grouchy. He was also very very unpopular
for the time and avowed agnostic, and we talk all
the time about how Christianity in particular was poisonous okay, which,
as you can imagine, did not make him a super
popular shit, but did gain him like a niche following right,
This poor guy, so some of his irritability again because
of the time period.
Speaker 2: Who can really be sure?
Speaker 3: And they didn't know he got more grouchy after that
pesky old traumatic brain injury from earlier, right, So I
don't know if like because that can like change your personality,
but it could be like that it hurt him and
that made him grouchy or you know who knows who's
to say, but that's where like some of it came from.
It also would give him from time to time he
would faint okay, and then sometimes he would his irritability
would say to get like worse and worse and worse.
Because he did end up having a wife and three children, honestly,
they're not a major part of his story. Of course,
of course he was kind of wheeling a deal in
but in his personal life he did have friends and acquaintances,
but everyone was like, guy's kind of a dick. He's
like kind of a grouchy dick. Yes, with how I
went to be remembered, I was going to say, I
was like, I wish we knew what month he was
born in.
Speaker 2: Maybe Okay, here we go, Okay, moving alone, man, moving along?
Speaker 3: Now, this is my topic. You move it along. And
this would kind of play into his like grouchy attitude,
would kind of play into the mystery around his disappearance,
which is where we're going now. Okay, So in nineteen thirteen,
in the fall of nineteen thirteen, Ambrose Beiers was seventy one,
and he had had like a pretty not super lucrative,
necessarily fair somewhat but he wasn't like a super wealthy guy.
He had a big, nice house. It kind of looks
like the American Horror Story Season one house. Okay, like
so nice but not like crazy. Yeah, murder House is
what you're talking about, Yes, murder House. That's right, murder House,
muse because they they've used it for other because it
was in an episode of Buffy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I watched murder House, I was like, wait,
this is a Babby Yeffey.
Speaker 3: So he was seventy one, His children were all grown up.
I don't even know if any of them survived to
adulthood or two of them did.
Speaker 2: Great he yeah, I know love that he.
Speaker 3: Had traveled all around, had settled in Washington, D C.
And when he turned seventy one, he was like, no,
what I kind of feel a little bit nostalgic for
the past, and I'm going to go and tour some
of my old some of the old Civil War battlefields
where I fought. Okay, okay, you know, little old man trip.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: This was in like October, so by December there were
confirmed reports of him passing through certain southern states such
as Texas and Louisiana. They said that he'd been seen
in al Passo. So the al Passo is pretty close
to the Mexican border.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So during that time Mexico so this is nineteen thirteen,
So during this time, Mexico is in full revolutionary swing.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: And there's a character that hopefully at least you'll hear
the name and be like, I know that guy. This
is Panchovia.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: He was this big revolutionary Yes, so if you even
went around that area, it would be unavoidable to hear
all about and lots of people had different opinions, and
he was this like polarizing character Panchovia, and a lot
of people from around that area would kind of be like, hey,
this guy has the right idea. Let's go, let's go
sign up with Panchovia.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like, why why did he go to
El Paso? Okay, where are you going? Yeah, you were
in an El Paso. Why are you there, old man trip.
So allegedly he ended up joining Panchovia's army as quote
an observer, Okay, And there were writings that have emerged
that are alleged to be from him that are like
the description of the battle Okay, that's more people. This
is like still at the point where people believe that
that part happened, you know. So he allegedly accompanied Panchovia's
army as far as the city of Chihuahua. The last
known communication he has is a letter that he wrote
to a lady Frand and the closing statement of this
letter is quote as to me, I leave here tomorrow
for an unknown destination.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: After that, he's very vanished without a trace. Oh okay,
So there are there are several as of missing people,
Elvis Srill and the aliens. There are several reports all
over the place. I saw him here, I saw him there,
but nothing verified really m hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: In one of his like final confirmed letters before his
one to his lady friend, like a different letter, but
around that time, one of the quotes he did was quote, goodbye.
If you hear of my being stood up against a
Mexican stone wall and shot to rags, please know that
I think it is a pretty good way to depart
this life.
Speaker 2: It beats old age disease.
Speaker 3: Or falling down the cellar stairs to be a gringo
in Mexico. Ah, that is euthanasia. Wow, But this was
the thing is like and you would think like, okay,
so he's gonna go and and like do that, you
know whatever. But he was this like sardonic kind of guy.
He often said things that were people were like, oh
my god, like I and I feel like I do that. Yeah,
Like I'm in a conversation like I'm just gonna drive
off a bridge and people are like what yeah, right, no, girl,
it's just my humor. I'm just being a silly saw.
Speaker 2: But it's a bad habit. Yeah, I gotta not do that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But like he was that kind of guy. So this
didn't raise the alarm then, but then after they couldn't
find him, they were like, was he actually trying to.
Speaker 2: Tell Was this just a joker?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: They ended up finding like so when they would talk
to afterwards when they eventually did do a search, which
again was not something that they did right away, they
weren't super concerned until it had already been like a
couple of years, and then they were like, oh, actually
we don't know where he's at. They went and talked
to some of the soldiers that he had like hung
out with Pancho Viish soldiers. All of them gave wildly
different accounts. Cool, like it almost seemed like purposeful, but
I don't know, interesting right, like because it was way different. Oh,
we saw him and he fought with us.
Speaker 2: Oh, we were with him, and.
Speaker 3: Then somebody shot him and he died. Oh he ended
up getting taken to jail in one of these towns
and they killed him. Sure, they hung him, they shot him,
they did the who knows. It's all kinds of different stuff.
So his last confirmed sighting was in that city of Chihuahua,
and then after that they have no idea where he went.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So he continues to be look at his like grouchy
little face. I love this picture. Looks like a mad
teddy man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I imagine him. He's like so cute.
Speaker 3: He looks a little like Mark twainy, but like evil
Mark Twain, like Mark Twain's warrio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the evil Twin right.
Speaker 3: He has been referenced by well known authors such as
Jack Finney, Jack London, William Randolph Hurst, Ray Bradbury. He's
even been fictionalized in like people would make him like
as a character in their books, which is pretty cute.
One of his most lasting legacies is some of his
like more science fiction y short stories. We're said to
have heavily influenced the highly problematic author HP Lovecraft.
Speaker 2: So perhaps without Ambrose.
Speaker 3: Beers there would be no Cuthulhu.
Speaker 2: Wow, this would be a shame. Crazy, that would be
a shame.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he continues to be influential to this day on
modern horror and sci fi things.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: But yeah, where is he?
Speaker 1: Ow?
Speaker 3: He gone?
Speaker 2: What an interesting fellow? Yeah, good job. Thanks. So there
are many things I know about Rachel. Oh, many many things.
Speaker 3: I know, and all complimentary. I'm sure amongst those is
your love of mysteries. I think you are a mystery.
Speaker 2: So I thought I would bring a bit of a
doozy with me today. IM gonna be talking about just
one missing person instead, I'm going to be covering five.
What yes, Oh my god. So on today's episode, I
want to talk about an area called Vermont's Bennington Triangle
And are you have you heard.
Speaker 1: Of this before?
Speaker 3: It sounds really familiar.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this idea of like geographic triangles also known
as paranormal triangles, viol the triangle Devil's graveyards, where mysterious
things sort of happened between like fixed three fixed geographic points.
This is not like a new phenomenon. No, like you said,
it's a silly one. The most well known as like
the Bermuda Triangle. I think that's the one that pops
to everybody's head, is like, yeah, Bermuda Triangle. It's also
become this very big like TV trope in movies and
you go in ever come up? Oh, except people do
all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's a really common shipping port with like three different
ocean climates, so there's lots of storms. Yeah, mystery solved.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm a hooky Spooky's also like an
X Files up. I was like, what did I have
to see? There's an X Files episode that's sort of
Bermuda Triangle adjacent. Yeah. You know, so these are not new, right,
but did you know that there's like a handful of
them in the world, Oh my god, including the Bass
Straight Triangle, which is in the waters that split the
states of Victoria and Tasmania in Southeast Australia. This mostly
involves ship transport sort of tragedies or a mysterious disappearances
of boats and things that kind of stuff. The Bridgewater
Triangle that's an approximately two hundred square mile area in
south eastern Massachusetts that has a ton of alleged activity,
including UFO's Poltergeist, Bigfoot like sightings, whoa giant, snakes, thunderbirds,
and cults. Road trip Yeah right.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: The broad Haven Triangle slash Welsh Triangles slash Diffied Triangle Welsh.
It's an area in Whales with over four hundred and
fifty reported UFO sidings in nineteen seventy seven alone. It
was like this time where they had all these UFO sidings.
I'm all about that. And the Devils see slash the
Devil Triangle slash for mosta triangle slash Pacific Pacific Bermuda Triangle.
That's what this is. It's the area south of Tokyo
that mostly again centers on like boat or air travel
related Again, it's a sea monster, disappearances, movies in the air. Yeah,
it can fly an air sea monster, yeah, a sea
air monster. He's not confined by your ideas.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And of course the one that I'm gonna be talking
about today, the Bennington Triangle.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, in this case, there is not necessarily specific points
okay that encompassed the area, but it's basically centered on
the Glastonbury Mountain and the surrounding area of Bennington, Woodford Shaft, Disburry,
and Somerset, Okay in Vermont, Okay. In the early nineteenth century,
Glastonbury and Somerset were big, like thriving log towns. But
they've sort of since they're essentially ghost towns, right, Okay basically.
And it happened like a lot even in like the
twenty I mean, oh wow, like nineteen thirty five. I
want there. The town like completely disincorporated them, or the
state did disincorporated this sort of area. I want to
go there. The term Bennington Triangle was coined by author
Joseph A. Citro and popularized popularized in two of his books,
but it's used to describe primarily five strange disappearances that
happened between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty. Ooh, so
let's get in, let's do it. Oh my god. So
the first disappearance was that of seventy four year old
Middy Rivers in nineteen forty five. He had been hunting
in the Bickford Hollow in Bickford Hollow and was described
as a skilled outdoorsman and well acquainted with the area
that he was in Okay at the time. From what
I saw, he was like leading a hunting party of
people up there. So they had established this campsite they
had been out hunting at approximately He was with four
other people on this trip. At approximately four pm on
November ninth, nineteen forty five, the party witnessed Rivers walking
the opposite direction of camp. At the time, they were
not like really concerned about this because again, he's like,
he's gonna go climb a tree. He's the Yeah, he's
the one who knows where he's going. But when nightfall
came and he hadn't returned to camp, they were kind
of like, Okay, maybe we should be kind of worried,
so they sent on a search party. This eventually expanded
into a three hundred person search along with US Army
soldiers that were sent out to aid. And this was
like three hundred locals. So like the people came down
from the towns to just like comb comb the woods.
That's nice. After eight days of searching through the wilderness,
the only thing anyone found was a single gun casing
that matched what Rivers typically used. Oh, they never found
a body. There was no evidence of like an animal
attack or like scattered remains from that, and frankly, there
wasn't really anything to say he was ever even in
the area, like kind of gone. Most folks figured that
an experience outdoorsmen like Rivers would you know, he could
survive outside for a few days, he'd probably come back,
like if he was lost or something like, he'd probably
be back in a couple of days, but would generally
be okay to survive on his own. But unfortunately he
never did. WHOA. The only other evidence recovered was a
handkerchief that belonged to Rivers that was discovered the following spring,
like after the thaw. But outside of that, he was
never seen or heard from again. That's weird. Yeah, that's
the first one. Second one, and probably the most widely
known of all five of these is that of eighteen
year old Paula Jean Walden, and at the time, she
was a sophomore at Bennington College. On the afternoon of
December one, nineteen forty six, so just like a year later,
Weldon finished up her shift in the dining hall and
decided she to go for a little hike. Yeah, so
she leaves campus with her hiking clothes, which included this
like bright red jackets. Okay, smart, bright red jacket. I
would assume that's like gonna be very easily noticed by
people can remember the.
Speaker 3: Person for hunters and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, of course. So she hitches a ride to
the start of the long trail and at some point
she stops at a store in Bennington to get directions.
And there was also this like elderly couple that had
followed her down the trail. They were like about one
hundred yards back from her, okay, but they were like
could see her, and we're finding down the trail for
a while. But when Walden didn't make it to her
classes the following day, her roommate got worried. Yeah, notified
the authorities, who launched this huge, expansive like search effort.
This included approximately one thousand people and the help of
FBI helicopters the whole nine yards. They even posted a
five thousand dollars reward for information leading to her return.
But she was also never seen again. Wow, And once again,
as in River's case, there was no trace of her,
including this bright red jacket that she was wearing, which
just kind of because you would a lot of these think,
oh they got lost in the woods. That's kind of
but like there would be something.
Speaker 3: Probably, yes, that's crazy that one.
Speaker 2: I would say, look into a little bit more because
there is like a lot of yeah, stuff that went
into that search. But they like search the fuck out
of it and couldn't find nothing. Nothing weird. Now, exactly
three years to the day after Walden's disappearance, sixty eight
year old James Tedford went missing. Oh Now. Tedford was
a a World War One vet who was living at
the Vermont Soldiers Home in Bennington. Tedford was visiting some
relatives in Saint Albans and the family reported that they
had taken him to the bus station witnessed him getting
onto the bus, so they knew he was on the bus.
The final sighting was by an acquaintance who had run
into Tedford at the bus depot in Burlington and the
two had a short conversation before parting ways, with Tedford
being again witnessed getting on the bus that was heading
to Bennington around six fifteen pm on December first, nineteen
forty nine. Okay, he was one of fourteen passengers on
the bus at the penultimate stop. Okay, but by the
time the bus arrived in Bennington, he had apparently vanished.
What yeah, where the hell did he go? None of
the passengers remember seeing him get off anywhere, and his
luggage was still in the now empty seat. But it
would take an entire week before Tedford was reported missing,
and it's unclear if it was like by an individual
or by the vets home was like he you know
which to me, I'm like, he didn't come back for
a week, and you guys are like, well, I guess
we should report a missing probably like he's sixty eight
years old, probably with like PTSD you know what I mean, Rightes, Yeah,
it's nothing guy. In the following investigations, the bus driver
claimed that a person matching Tedford's description may have gotten
off the bus in Brandon, okay, but he wasn't totally sure.
The same night, Brandon police reported responding to a call
about a man matching Tedford's description who had been quote
unquote acting queerly. Okay, but these have never really been confirmed,
and it was unclear if this man was Tedford or
if he wasn't. There is also something to be said
about the fact that it took a week for him
to be reported missing, and the time that laugh. Lapsed
between the disappearities. Yeah, well in people's memories, like, you're
not thinking anything as wrong necessarily, So why would you
remember who was on the bus on a trip that
you took a week earlier? Yeah, so frustrating.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, no other trace of him has ever been found.
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: What the next disappearance would happen? About a year later,
when eight year old Paul Jepson went missing. Jepson had
been with his mom attending to some farm chores when
the two went to the Bennington Town dump where they
kept some pigs. Okay, I know, I was like, it
said they Yeah, it said they had like a pack
of pigs at the dump. Maybe it's just where they
had the land to keep something. I guess like that.
I don't know too. While she went to deal with
the animals, Jepson stayed behind in the truck playing. She
was like, I'm just going to do this. About an
hour later, at four pm, his mother returned to find
the boy missing. She immediately notified authorities, who began searching
the dump and the surrounding woods, even using bloodhounds to
track his scent down the road, where it abruptly ended
at an intersection. Now, this one had a few theories, okay.
Jepson's father said he said that he might have been
taken by somebody in a car, or he had gotten
out of the truck and was accidentally hit by somebody
else in a car who then took his body so
conceal in a panic. Yeah, you know. He's also said
that the day he disappeared, Jepson had been wearing like
browns and tans, like cars, so he might be hard
to see. Yeah, he's like, I think because this was
in the fall, so he's like police might have possibly
overlooked his body in the woods because he blended in
with the fall. Whatever might have happened, Jepson was another
disappearance left unsolved. God, yeah, all of it is unsolved.
This is your favorite thing. You chose the self, I know. Okay.
So the next happened on October twenty eighth, nineteen fifty,
just sixteen days after Jepson's disappearance. Wow. Fifty three year
old Freeda Langer had been hiking in the woods with
her husband Max and cousin Herbert Elsner. Langer was also
described as a skilled hiker, and the group had taken
off from their family cabin around one pm. So to me,
that implies if it's a family cabin, they've been up
there before. Familiarity with the area, definitely, Yeah, definitely. And
she's a skilled hiker, she's not just like, you know,
gonna wander, yeah, some stupid area, right right. They hadn't
made it very far when Langer slipped down an embankment
and fell into a stream, which then like soaked her
clothes and her shoes and everything. She told her cousin
that she was going to take a short cut back
to the cabin, changed clothes, and then meet up with
them a little bit further up on the trail. Yeah,
but she never caught up. They returned to the cabin
to see if she was there, while she was not, unfortunately,
and so they alerted authorities, who immediately began searching the
area along with approximately three hundred other people. Again. The
search continued for days, but she was never found and
the search was called off again. Theories sprang forward, the
main one being that her husband had said she suffered
from a seizure disorder uh huh, and that she may
have had a seizure after spending the extended time in
like cold overnight temperatures that would have brought on a seizure,
and this in turn might have made her disoriented, which
might have caused her to become lost. Yep. Unfortunately, however,
when spring rolled around in May nineteen fifty one, a
fisherman discovered Langer's body approximately three and a half miles
south of her family's cabin. Oh wow. They were unable
to determine a cause of death because her body had
been exposed to the elements for so long that it
was just like in horrid shape, right, And their main
theory is that she likely had fallen down a second
embankment into a deep pond where she drowned, and then
her body with the spring thaw, was like flushed out
of the pond. Oh I see yeah. And I'll also
say she is the only person on this list they've
haout any trace. Yeah that's crazy. Yeah what yeah? Yeah,
poor thing. I know. So with five disappearances in just
as many years and only one of those resulting in
someone being found, there was certainly something strange happening in
the Bennington area. Now, I will say there are not
any obvious ties between any of these cases, not at all.
Other than where they sort of take place. Yea, they
are in the area. This type of thing I think
is prime to be the subject of like paranormal theories, right,
sort of more off the wall. Yeah, you know, spooky
ugee kind of theories. Yeah, there are some theories out
there that involve aliens and ghosts. Wh but I also
think that is in part thanks to other strange happenings
in the area.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, if it's already like this
is the ghost of the Woods, the woods probably did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, for example, the area has the tail of
its own cryptid called the Bennington Monster. Oh have you
heard of that? Yes, So it's been described as eight
foot tall with hair and two large eyes, that attacked
people in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: It's one of the more vague descriptions. They're just like,
there's this monster. It's big and hair and eyes. What
else do you want? It's a monster. There's This is
from obscure Vermont quote. Another interesting theory suggests that the
Bennington Monster is actually the horrifying transformation of the Glastonbury
wild Man. After he was chased out of the region,
he took back to the woods and dwelled, becoming cannibalistic,
deformed and insane, wearing animal furs and attacking a lone
stage is coming over the mountains delicious stage. Cool.
Speaker 3: So it's like the evolution of They're very strange, very
quick evolution the glass and very wild man is like
if ill with Pikachu and he becomes the Bennington Monster.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know. Yeah, so having that kind of folk
tale like in surely he's eating these folks. Yeah, I mean,
it definitely makes it easy to be like, you have
a why would it so many disappears has happened in
such a short amount of time Because it's a weird area,
I know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It just seems like it's a wooden like I understand,
Like the fact that there's no trace of these people
is like pretty weird.
Speaker 2: That's weird. That's weird.
Speaker 3: But it's also not impossible, especially because of the time period. Yeah,
you know, and if people people hike and they find
stuff all the time. I have friends who hike and
they're like, look what I found in the woods, And
I'm like, what if that belonged to a murder victim?
Speaker 2: Like you have no idea? Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's like Evan, there's only a small window where
you can really pursue evidence because it's like stuff could
have gotten moved around.
Speaker 2: And especially most of the time you're talking about things
that are happening towards the last quarter of the year
and you're going into winter. Searching in the winter becomes impossible,
and anytime anything shows up after the spring, thought it's
too damaged.
Speaker 3: It moved around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna lose your scene in the winter. Basically
in the Wolds, it's a bad scene. Along with the
like alien abduction kind of theories, which of course they
have them. Of course, of course they have that right,
of course they have them everywhere, but of course they
have them here. There's also theories that talk about this
particular area being a shall we say, doorway to another dimension. Yeah,
it's like a portal to another alternate universe type of
back to Buffy, it's a hellmouth. Yeah, it's like that
kind of Yeah. So maybe they like unknowingly oh yeah,
walked through. It's very Twin Peaks.
Speaker 3: I hate it when that happened.
Speaker 2: They unknowingly walked into a portal that put them in
a in a different timeline, accidentally.
Speaker 3: Like SpongeBob with the perfume department. Yeah, I hate it
when I have to go through that.
Speaker 2: So there's also that. Yeah, personally, I'm with you. I
think most of these except well, I would say most
of these just come down to being in the wilderness
and being unfamiliar and you know, when you get lost,
things happened. We talked about this with the two girls
who got lost and the camera was the only thing.
Oh yes, in like Paraguay or wherever they were, Equit Peru.
I don't remember. Yeah, but I know what you're talking.
But just like how quickly things can sort of like an.
Speaker 3: Injury and then ring somewhere you're not familiar with and
you're lost and you're scared, like that can cause you
to act strangely really quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, especially in Langer's case, like she had
a predisposition to becoming disoriented. So no matter how well
you know the air the.
Speaker 3: Older gentleman as well, I feel like that one's like
probably the least, especially in the dark right Like, and
I mean I hate the one about the little boy girl.
I know it's a different time period. Don't leave your
children in the car by themselves because like, yeah, you
don't know what happened because you weren't there. Like, I
feel like it's a dump, so maybe he was like
he's a little boys, like what fun to climb in
the dump?
Speaker 2: But he fell down? That's it? Yeah, Like I will
say too, like in Tedford's case, who was the gentleman
who disappeared from the bus? The older gentleman, the older gentleman.
He they talk about how he had become a little despondent.
He might have been suffering a bit of a mental
health crisis, right, But also the again like the fact
that it was a week later and it's not like
the bus starvers like, well it could have been this guy.
Speaker 3: Horror management of the situation, yeah, because it's like how
are you gonna find him out? But I feel like
especially because they right, they had reports of him in
the town acting strangely, didn't you say? Did you say
people were like maybe he was acting weird. I'm like,
I bet he said he was acting queerly. He's like, hey, sure,
they're like a beer sir. He's like, Noah Martini. They're
like freak, yeah, yeah, call the authorities.
Speaker 2: It's like cop heal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of these sound like mental health crises
to me.
Speaker 2: So anyway, So that is the Bennington Triangle.
Speaker 3: Bookie, No, just kidding, it's aliens, aliens.
Speaker 2: No, it's portal. Oh yeah, portal. It's a hell.
Speaker 3: Where's gladows? That's ooky, spooky. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody
knows things are bad.
Speaker 3: It's a depression.
Speaker 2: Everybody not.
Speaker 3: Their job.
Speaker 2: All right, folks, that has been our episode this week. Yeah,
sing persons like where are they? Where? They ask? Okay,
where they?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Do you have any final thoughts before we finish up?
I just don't.
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's that like hairy creature.
Speaker 2: Oh, the Bennington Monster.
Speaker 3: I think he's innocent.
Speaker 2: It's the chupacabra or the bigfoot, I mean bigfoot big feet,
not the bigfoot, the big foot bigfoot, just the one
big foot.
Speaker 3: I have pretty big feet. I do too, dude, I
have bigger feet than you. I don't think so I
do what I do. Let's measure tutsies like ten and
a half.
Speaker 2: I wear a size eleven. Oh my god, yeah, there's
a lot of body to keep up braining. Yes, Queen
identify with Peggy Hill bigs feet.
Speaker 3: All right note. Our sound editing is by tipple Man.
Our music is by Jason Sashchevski.
Speaker 2: Do youma? This has been the Bad Taste Crime Podcast.
We will see you in two weeks. A bomb.
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form or another