Episode 4612: Tony Katz Today Hour 3 - 05/29/26 (Mike Koolidge Guest Hosts)
Hour 3 Segment 1
While Tony is away, Mike Koolidge fills in! Mike starts the final hour of the show talking about the pros and cons of data centers.
Hour 3 Segment 2
Mike talks with the listeners to hear about the pros and cons of data centers.
Hour 3 Segment 3
Mike talks about population growth in rural areas versus cities.
Hour 3 Segment 4
Mike wraps up another edition of the show talking about if Vice President J.D. Vance or if Secretary of State Marco Rubio will run for presidency in 2028.
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Speaker 1: Live from Vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America.
Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. We are live indeed from the
Speaker 2: Crossroads of America where you are right now listening to this.
Speaker 2: I am Mike Coolidge in FORO Tony Katz on Tony
Speaker 2: Katz Today. Our number three coming up. And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what is awesome about live radio is that it
Speaker 2: is live. Yeah, as we speak, we are awaiting President
Speaker 2: Trump's response to the Iran ceasefire proposal. So perhaps before
Speaker 2: this hour is over, we might have some breaking news
Speaker 2: about that. I know. Podcasts are all the rage and
Speaker 2: on demand audio, on demand listening and video and all
Speaker 2: the Yeah. I do it all. I listen to it all.
Speaker 2: It's great, but I still listen to real radio like
Speaker 2: you do. I mean, I did it myself for fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Loved it, loved to talk to my listeners every day,
Speaker 2: love batting stuff around. In fact, I love and am
Speaker 2: going to love I hope to Tony Katz listeners because
Speaker 2: we're going to open up the phone lines here three
Speaker 2: one seven six four three eighty seven hundred. Three one
Speaker 2: seven six four three eighty seven hundred. The question is
Speaker 2: why we while we await some breaking news, perhaps about
Speaker 2: President Trump and Iran? Is data centers? Are you for
Speaker 2: them or against them? And the reason I ask that
Speaker 2: question is because every single person I've talked with who
Speaker 2: follows the news, follows politics, local, state, regional, national, at all,
Speaker 2: has an opinion about it, and uh, it something that
Speaker 2: affects us all. Honestly it doesn't. If you had told
Speaker 2: me five years ago that the big issue in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six was going to be data centers, I'd say
Speaker 2: centers for what? Data? What? Computer stuff?
Speaker 3: For what?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's all about AI and all that. And to
Speaker 2: kind of break it down in this I will freely
Speaker 2: admit I'm getting a little meta here. I typed it
Speaker 2: into Grock. What are the pro and con arguments of
Speaker 2: data centers?
Speaker 1: You ready?
Speaker 2: And by the way, we are going to have you
Speaker 2: on the show. Yes you're listening to this right now.
Speaker 2: Three one seven, six four, three eighty seven hundred. Are
Speaker 2: you pro data centers or anti data centers? Here's the
Speaker 2: pro argument economic growth and jobs. Number One, data centers
Speaker 2: drive massive investment, tax revenue, and employment. They generate billions
Speaker 2: in property taxes. For example, single large facility can could
Speaker 2: contribute tens of millions annually, support construction booms and create
Speaker 2: indirect and induced jobs across supply chains. Estimates suggest each
Speaker 2: data center job supports six plus others in the broader economy.
Speaker 2: States and localities see GDP boosts, with the sector contributing
Speaker 2: hundreds of billions nationally. Proponents argue this is vital for
Speaker 2: rural revitalization and competing with China in AI and tech.
Speaker 2: All right, so that's a number one pro argument. Number
Speaker 2: two pro argument for data centers national security and technological leadership.
Speaker 2: Building more data centers keeps the United States at the
Speaker 2: forefront of AI, cloud computing, and digital infrastructure. This strengthens
Speaker 2: military intelligence capabilities, innovation in medicine, manufacturing autonomous systems, and
Speaker 2: economic resilience. Delaying or restrict them risks seding ground to adversaries.
Speaker 2: Framed as a build baby, build imperative for American dominance.
Speaker 2: That's argument number two pro data centers. Number three infrastructure
Speaker 2: modernization and energy innovation. Data centers incentivized grid updates, new
Speaker 2: power plants including gas, nuclear and renewables, and efficiency tech.
Speaker 2: They could act as flexible loads for grid stability. Supporters
Speaker 2: note that in places like northern Virginia, where these data
Speaker 2: centers are I think, the highest concentration in the world.
Speaker 2: Residential rates remain competitive despite growth and innovations that are
Speaker 2: cooling mitigate impacts. Opposing them is seen as anti progress, ninbiism,
Speaker 2: not in my backyardism, or ludite resistance to the future economy.
Speaker 2: And finally, the fourth pro data center argument political framing.
Speaker 2: It appeals to fiscal conservative tax based expansion and moderate
Speaker 2: Democrats focused on high wage tech jobs and global leadership.
Speaker 2: Tax incentives are defended as smart industrial policy. All right,
Speaker 2: So those are four strong arguments for data centers. Do
Speaker 2: you agree with any of them three one two sixty
Speaker 2: four to three eighty seven hundred or disagree with them?
Speaker 2: Three one, two six four three eighty seven hundred. Here
Speaker 2: are three one seven sorry, three one seven six four
Speaker 2: three eighty seven hundred. My Illinois bias is showing three
Speaker 2: one seven six four three eighty seven hundred is the number.
Speaker 2: Here are the anti data seven data center arguments. Now,
Speaker 2: these anti arguments are from fiscal conservatives wary of government subsidies, environmentalists,
Speaker 2: local residents, populists on both sides, and affordability advocates. Number
Speaker 2: one anti data center argument energy costs and grid strain.
Speaker 2: Data centers are extremely power hungry. Hyper scale AI facility
Speaker 2: can match the demand of one hundred thousand homes one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand plus homes, with projections of them consuming six
Speaker 2: to twelve percent of US electricity by twenty twenty eight
Speaker 2: twenty thirty Wow, six to twelve percent of all US
Speaker 2: electricity could be consumed by data centers in two years.
Speaker 2: This drives up wholesale and residential rates, forces reliance on
Speaker 2: fossil fuels, natural gas, call backups and risks, blackouts or
Speaker 2: delayed upgrades. Critics highlight billions in rate hikes and call
Speaker 2: it corporate welfare where everyday Americans subsidize big tech. Number
Speaker 2: two argument against data centers environmental and resource impacts. Massive
Speaker 2: water use for cooling billions of gallons annually equivalent to
Speaker 2: millions of households, higher carbon emissions. Data centers often have
Speaker 2: above average intensity to fossil resilient or fossil reliance, noise,
Speaker 2: land use and pollution slash healthcare costs estimated at twenty
Speaker 2: five billion a year in one analysis. This conflicts with
Speaker 2: climate goals and burden, water scarce areas, and no I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: and burdens water scarce areas. Opponents frame it as greenwashing
Speaker 2: tech giants profiting while externalizing costs. Number three argument against
Speaker 2: data centers limited local benefits and corporate giveaways. Many offer
Speaker 2: few permanent high skills jobs dozens per facility versus massive
Speaker 2: construction spikes. Yet these are not you know, giant warehouses
Speaker 2: that have hundreds or thousands events of jobs. Now we're
Speaker 2: talking about dozens of jobs. But the argument which you
Speaker 2: heard in the pro side, is that each of those
Speaker 2: jobs equate of you know, multiply six other jobs in
Speaker 2: the economy. They say so, yeah, they're But the argument
Speaker 2: against few permanent high skill jobs. It depresses property values
Speaker 2: for neighborhoods and receive and receive huge tax abatements that
Speaker 2: strain local budgets. Studies show net job effects near zero
Speaker 2: in some areas. Benefits flow to distant shareholders while communities
Speaker 2: get infrastructure costs and quality of life hits. Public polls
Speaker 2: show strong opposition seventy percent against local AI data centers.
Speaker 2: That's huge and last one. Political framing bipartisan appeal. Democrats
Speaker 2: progressive emphasize environment equity and anti monopoly. Anti monopoly billionaire subsidies, conservatives,
Speaker 2: populous stress, physcal responsibility, energy, reliable, ability for families, sovereignty
Speaker 2: over local land, and skepticism of unchecked tech and AI
Speaker 2: power at fuels, moratorium calls, referenda, and election issues around affordability.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Three one seven six' four to
Speaker 2: three eighty seven. Hundred that's the anti anti data center
Speaker 2: argument and the pro and it. Said data center arguments
Speaker 2: are often emphasized by pro growth, conservatives business oriented, democrats tech,
Speaker 2: advocates and those prioritizing national. Competitiveness what do you? Think
Speaker 2: are you pro data center or anti data? Center, actually
Speaker 2: we do have a couple calls on online three one
Speaker 2: seven six four to three eighty seven. Hundred we will
Speaker 2: get to them on the other side of this. Break
Speaker 2: this Says Tony kats. TODAY i Am Mike coolidge in For.
Speaker 2: Tony coolidge is spelled with A. K don't go. Anywhere
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Speaker 2: YOU I Mike coolidge in For. Tony before the, break
Speaker 2: we were talking about data centers pro or anti three
Speaker 2: one seven six four three eighty seven hundred is the
Speaker 2: number to call In tom from the south side Of.
Speaker 2: Indianapolis what say, you my?
Speaker 1: Friend, hey what say?
Speaker 4: Me good, Afternoon. Mike you're doing pretty good. Job you're Not,
Speaker 4: Tony but then, again a lot of Days tony's.
Speaker 1: Nuts.
Speaker 2: TONY i appreciate that quick.
Speaker 4: Education. Here we're. Hoosiers uh IF i was going for
Speaker 4: a sandwich day for. Lunch we love our tenderloins here
Speaker 4: And Tony studios is Of, Carmel. Indiana, okay now that
Speaker 4: we got that alois.
Speaker 2: Yes wait, wait wait before you get into the Rail. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no tenderloin so delicious pork tenderloin. Sandwiches you're talking.
Speaker 4: About deep probably the size Of Hope. Caps this is
Speaker 4: a big dipliks here In. Indiana, hey come over and
Speaker 4: have a.
Speaker 2: Few i'm my mouth is watering as we. Speak, Okay
Speaker 2: so what's your Opinion tom on data? Centers, okay comment.
Speaker 4: Following I'm auntie against them because of the infrastructure and
Speaker 4: what have. You there was one proposed township just of
Speaker 4: the one we live here In Marion, county AND i
Speaker 4: was against it because our waterlines and our electric clients
Speaker 4: would go to that. Thing and they had no contingency
Speaker 4: whatsoever to handle the increased need on either one of.
Speaker 4: Them so that's by the, way the land they will
Speaker 4: use it can be used for something. Else we have
Speaker 4: a problem with these, things or our own worst. Enemy
Speaker 4: they're saying that maybe these would be obsolete in five,
Speaker 4: years but we go ahead and keep creating data on our,
Speaker 4: phones our computers and all this their, stuff and there's
Speaker 4: gotta be someplace to store. It it's like the situation
Speaker 4: of us creating, garbage but we don't want garbage to buy.
Speaker 4: Us we can't, Win, mike we can't.
Speaker 2: WIN i agree with what you, saying and it's my
Speaker 2: answer or What i'm getting closer to the conclusion on
Speaker 2: Is AND i consider myself kind of. Binary you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i don't consider myself a fence, center but in this,
Speaker 2: CASE i am pro data. CENTERS i just don't want
Speaker 2: them in. FARMLAND i, mean we're not that far away
Speaker 2: from you in In. Illinois the soil In indiana is
Speaker 2: very similar To illinois as it is In. Iowa it's
Speaker 2: some of the best in the. World there's a reason
Speaker 2: that we have farmland here and every data center eats
Speaker 2: up beautiful you, know valuable farmland that you can't get.
Speaker 2: Back so that's one of my, biggest biggest arguments against.
Speaker 2: It BUT i do think that they can go in other,
Speaker 2: areas Which i'll get to in a second. Here But,
Speaker 2: tom thank you so much for calling. In we, have
Speaker 2: thank you so. Much we Have joe From elkhart who
Speaker 2: for data centers AS i understand, It go, Ahead.
Speaker 3: Joe And i'm for data, centers but with parameters around.
Speaker 2: It, yes let's up To elon.
Speaker 3: Muss idea about putting data centers in outer. Space basically
Speaker 3: there's self contained units with regard to energy and not
Speaker 3: taking our resources and getting the stuff we, did especially
Speaker 3: with national. Security that's my big.
Speaker 2: Issue that is a great point AND i far via
Speaker 2: from me to Give Elon musk advice about. Space but
Speaker 2: the only THING i wonder about BECAUSE i keep hearing
Speaker 2: that we need, water, water, water. Water it's all about
Speaker 2: water to cool these, computers because that's literally what they.
Speaker 2: Are there's no water in, space.
Speaker 3: But in outer space as a vacuum of the cooling
Speaker 3: issue goes.
Speaker 2: Away, yeah that makes. Sense you know what Else i've
Speaker 2: heard is and this to me is the best answer
Speaker 2: to this is for our brown fields and former industrial
Speaker 2: sites places where there used to be factories and power
Speaker 2: plants and auto plants that like don't exist anymore or
Speaker 2: they shut them. DOWN a lot of those areas are
Speaker 2: already zoned for you, know heavy. Use they have existing infrastructure. Already,
Speaker 2: uh why not put them there so they're not taking up.
Speaker 3: Farmland, yeah it's an never bowl we're going to have to.
Speaker 3: Have we need they're going to, Happen we need. Them
Speaker 3: we need to stay ahead of the, competition which Is.
Speaker 1: China.
Speaker 2: JOE i appreciate you. Calling thank you so much for
Speaker 2: calling Into tony cats. Today three one seven six four
Speaker 2: three eighty seven hundred is the number six three one
Speaker 2: seven six four three eighty seven. HUNDRED i Might coolidge
Speaker 2: in For Tony katz. TODAY i think there is a,
Speaker 2: uh there is an answer here to THESE i live
Speaker 2: in a rural area In, illinois AND i know that
Speaker 2: the discussions are happening as we speak about a data
Speaker 2: center actually in my, Town, Rochelle. Illinois looking, up look
Speaker 2: it up on a. Map so many of my friends are.
Speaker 2: Farmers I'm. Tony i'm not a farmer, myself BUT i
Speaker 2: know a lot of, them know and love a lot of,
Speaker 2: them AND i ask them their opinion and they give
Speaker 2: me not all of. Them, obviously we all have individual
Speaker 2: opinions about, this which which is WHY i think it's
Speaker 2: such a great issue and really important, issue is we
Speaker 2: want the pro growth aspects of. It we know that
Speaker 2: we're competing With. China we know That china is on
Speaker 2: the ropes in so many, ways both militarily and. Economically
Speaker 2: and we know that our friends In, taiwan WHICH i
Speaker 2: Know china has an interest in that the epicenter of
Speaker 2: so much of THIS ai technology in chips is In,
Speaker 2: taiwan and so we don't Like also the fact That
Speaker 2: china seems to be buying up a lot of farmland
Speaker 2: here in The United states for these data centers here In,
Speaker 2: america which is really messed. Up but so we need
Speaker 2: to create. THEM i just don't want them on. FARMLAND
Speaker 2: i think. Farming farmland should be for. Farms chris From Brown.
Speaker 2: County you are On Tony katz, Today Mike coolidge in For.
Speaker 2: Tony what say, you.
Speaker 1: Hey, Mike, Well i'm for data. CENTERS a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know about how much water it, uses and
Speaker 1: they fall for the propaganda the tout there that is
Speaker 1: being pushed by our, competition so to. Speak did you
Speaker 1: know that a closed loop air cooling system is the
Speaker 1: type of technology they're using for these data centers and
Speaker 1: it only uses about a leader and a half of
Speaker 1: water per.
Speaker 2: Day a closed. Loop can you explain that to those
Speaker 2: of us who don't know what that.
Speaker 1: Is, well, essentially they have a water system that they
Speaker 1: PUT i think it's about one and a Half olympic
Speaker 1: size pool worth of water into and it's put into
Speaker 1: a closed loop so that you don't require any more
Speaker 1: water being put into it except for evaporation, replacement and
Speaker 1: that evaporation replacement is only about a liter and a
Speaker 1: half of water per day and the rest of it
Speaker 1: is air. Cooled that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense that makes sense to.
Speaker 1: Me, Yeah so that's the fear of using thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of gallons of water is completely misplaced and is
Speaker 1: very likely.
Speaker 2: Propaganda what do you think about eating up a valuable?
Speaker 2: Farmland are you open to them being in locations that aren't?
Speaker 1: Farms i'm with you one hundred percent on the farm.
Speaker 1: LAND i, mean food security is national? Security is it?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 2: Yes one hundred. Percent, SEE i think we're getting, Somewhere.
Speaker 2: Chris thanks so much for calling Into Tony katz. Today
Speaker 2: this is, uh this is a hot. ISSUE i told
Speaker 2: YOU i. WAS i am not shocked that we have
Speaker 2: a lot of opinions about. This uh because, Again, Illinois, Indiana,
Speaker 2: Iowa wisconsin very similar. States we have very similar issues.
Speaker 2: HERE i don't physically want a data center eating up
Speaker 2: super valuable farmland In, Rochelle, illinois WHERE i make my.
Speaker 2: Home BUT i want data centers to be. Created now
Speaker 2: does that make me a not in my backyard? Guy
Speaker 2: maybe it. Does, Uh but to, me if there's industrial waste,
Speaker 2: land not industrial, waste industrial waste land that is available
Speaker 2: that's not doing, anything it doesn't even have to be
Speaker 2: in the big. Cities it could be in you, know
Speaker 2: mid size cities or the suburbs and. Stuff we know they're,
Speaker 2: there and, unfortunately, yes there's been some factory shutdowns of
Speaker 2: of car manufacturers and other sort of. Factories those play
Speaker 2: as we talked, about you, know they're already, graded they're
Speaker 2: already cleared to got, them already have the power infrastructure.
Speaker 2: There THAT'S i think where they should. Go and it's
Speaker 2: not in my. Idea i've heard this from other. PEOPLE
Speaker 2: i THINK i think it's brilliant AND i think that
Speaker 2: might be the solution to. This all, right good, stuff
Speaker 2: this has Been we still have another half hour to.
Speaker 2: Go i'm not saying. BYE i Have Mike coolidge in
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Speaker 2: ah it Is friday and this is the second half
Speaker 2: of the day On Frida. Day are you excited about
Speaker 2: this week? END i hope you have awesome plans or
Speaker 2: just chill. Plans it's summertime kind of not, officially but,
Speaker 2: yeah you, know so it. Is it's Post Memorial, day
Speaker 2: but it's not quite you, know fourth Of july. Yet,
Speaker 2: heck we're still In, may so we got the whole
Speaker 2: summer ahead of. Us i'm. Excited i'm in a good.
Speaker 2: Mood i'm so happy that you have decided to listen
Speaker 2: to a fill in host On Tony cast. Today, yeah that's,
Speaker 2: Me Mike. Coolgidge follow me on X KOO L i
Speaker 2: d G. E WHEN i hosted my radio show for fifteen,
Speaker 2: Years that's HOW i Met. Tony we would broadcast At seapack.
Speaker 2: Together he used to come on my. Show he used
Speaker 2: to come on his The Republican National. Conventions tony's a.
Speaker 2: Blast he's into. Cigars don't know if you knew that
Speaker 2: little secret that no one probably. Knows he enjoys. Cigars
Speaker 2: but you, know we had a similar sort of. Philosophy
Speaker 2: obviously we're both, conservative but this kind of big city
Speaker 2: versus Rural america thing and fly over contree versus the coastal.
Speaker 2: Elites but really it's not that. Simple it really goes
Speaker 2: down to big City america versus small Town. America and
Speaker 2: my show was specifically catered to small Town. AMERICANS i
Speaker 2: wasn't on In, chicago BUT i was on in basically
Speaker 2: every other city In, illinois and actually one or two
Speaker 2: In indiana and one In. Michigan but the brunt of
Speaker 2: my show was about, this you, know urban versus small
Speaker 2: Town america, divide which happened to coincide with. Politics, right
Speaker 2: those of us who live in non big City america
Speaker 2: are for the most Part, republicans conservatives read. Voters, now
Speaker 2: it's not the case obviously, everywhere but just statistically, wise it.
Speaker 2: Is there are very few. SEATS i don't think there's
Speaker 2: a single city over you, know three hundred or five
Speaker 2: hundred thousand population in The United states that regularly votes
Speaker 2: READ i Think, Wichita. Kansas San diego was for, years
Speaker 2: probably a couple In. Texas but there's a new trend
Speaker 2: ABOUT us population. Growth according To Bill, King Real Clear,
Speaker 2: politics guess where things are, growing OR i should, say
Speaker 2: according to this, piece guess where things are no longer?
Speaker 2: Growing urban. Cores. Yeah each, year The Census bureau publishes
Speaker 2: population estimates for all municipalities in The United states with
Speaker 2: a population of twenty thousand or or. More last, week
Speaker 2: it released last year's, estimates reporting population changes for nearly
Speaker 2: two thousand. Municipalities according to The Census, bureau THE us
Speaker 2: population grew by one point eight million last, year mostly
Speaker 2: due to international. Immigration, yeah the borders, closed but there's
Speaker 2: still immigration. Coming. In the TWELVE us cities with population
Speaker 2: over one million grew by only fifty five thousand people last,
Speaker 2: year or about two tenths of one. Percent they contributed
Speaker 2: less than three percent of their total growth in The
Speaker 2: United states last. Year the diminutive contribution of urban cores
Speaker 2: to TOTAL us population growth is nothing new and has
Speaker 2: remained about three percent since twenty. Twenty according to some
Speaker 2: of the, data only about half of last year's total
Speaker 2: population growth occurred in cities with populations over twenty. Thousand,
Speaker 2: however that does not imply that half the growth occurred
Speaker 2: in rural. Areas although rural areas have experienced a net
Speaker 2: migration inflow since the, pandemic the bulk of the growth
Speaker 2: has occurred in smaller cities and unincorporated areas either adjacent
Speaker 2: to or in close proximity to larger. Cities the census
Speaker 2: data showed that the bulk of growth occurred in cities
Speaker 2: with populations between twenty five thousand and two hundred and fifty. Thousand,
Speaker 2: yeah this chart is pretty. Cool the highest group of
Speaker 2: people as it laid out the average population change the
Speaker 2: highest block is cities between fifty and one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: K for roughly the last ten thousand, years the basic
Speaker 2: logic of cities has been rooted in the advantages of.
Speaker 2: Concentration as agriculture produced food, surpluses people no longer needed
Speaker 2: to live spread across the land to. Survive this trend
Speaker 2: was greatly accelerated in The United states during the first
Speaker 2: half of the twentieth century by the mechanization or the
Speaker 2: machinization of. AGRICULTURE i Know i'm saying that word. Wrong
Speaker 2: you know, What i'm sorry trying to say machanization. Machine
Speaker 2: living close together reduced transportation, costs improved, security facilitated, trade
Speaker 2: and allowed for specialization of. Labor cities became places where, merchants, craftsmen, rulers, soldiers,
Speaker 2: scholars and later industrial workers could interact more efficiently than
Speaker 2: if they were. Dispersed the density of people and activity
Speaker 2: also accelerated the exchange of, ideas, innovation and. Culture, however
Speaker 2: many of the traditional advantages of cities have begun to
Speaker 2: wane because the technologies that once made physical proximity essential
Speaker 2: have steadily reduced the importance of. Location, automobiles, highways air, travel,
Speaker 2: telecommunications and now high speed internet and remote work allow
Speaker 2: people to access, jobs, goods, services entertainment and information without
Speaker 2: living in dense urban. Centers the pandemic accelerated the shift
Speaker 2: by demonstrating that many jobs could be performed remotely with
Speaker 2: surprisingly little loss in. Productivity millions of workers and employers
Speaker 2: discovered that daily proximity to downtown offices was often less
Speaker 2: necessary than previously. Assumed the modern economy increasingly rewards digital
Speaker 2: and knowledge based work that can often be performed from almost,
Speaker 2: anywhere weakening the historic link between economic opportunity and urban.
Speaker 2: Density the result has been a centrifugal force that has
Speaker 2: spun growth out from the urban cores to the suburbs
Speaker 2: and increasingly the ex. Serbs maybe where you live listening
Speaker 2: to this right. Now the long term trend probably favors continued,
Speaker 2: decentralization though not the complete abandonment of. Cities the underlying
Speaker 2: technological forces reducing the need for physical proximity will continue to.
Speaker 2: Advance remote and hybrid work technologies are, improving broadband access is,
Speaker 2: expanding and many businesses have adapted their operations around distributed.
Speaker 2: Workforces artificial intelligence and digital collaboration tools may further weaken
Speaker 2: the advantages of geographic concentration for many operate. Ocupations at
Speaker 2: the same, time affordability and quality of life concerns remain significant,
Speaker 2: pressures pushing people and businesses. Outward most urban core cities
Speaker 2: also face aging, infrastructure fiscal, pressures and governance. Challenges he
Speaker 2: concludes that said cities are unlikely to disappear because they
Speaker 2: still retain important advantages in certain sectors and. Activities, innovation, finance,
Speaker 2: entertainment higher, education, medicine and entrepreneurial ecosystems still benefit from
Speaker 2: face to face interaction and dense professional. Networks large cities
Speaker 2: also offer cultural amenities and social opportunities that cannot be
Speaker 2: fully replicated. Online the more likely outcome is not the
Speaker 2: death of, cities but a gradual erosion of the dominance
Speaker 2: of the largest and most expensive urban, cores accompanied by
Speaker 2: growth in smaller, cities, suburbs, exerbs and lower cost metropolitan.
Speaker 2: Regions in that, sense the trend is less about the
Speaker 2: end of urbanization than about the weakening of the historic
Speaker 2: premium attached to urban. Density Bill king In Real Clear
Speaker 2: Politics that in a nutshell says that those of us
Speaker 2: who don't live in big cities are gaining. Influence, yeah that's,
Speaker 2: Right we're the ones that are. Growing this is a great.
Speaker 2: Trend you, know it's not all. Political so much of
Speaker 2: it has to do with technology and you, know The
Speaker 2: internet obviously and remote work and you, know the pandemic
Speaker 2: had a lot AND i do mean a lot of negatives,
Speaker 2: obviously but there were some positives from the. Pandemic one
Speaker 2: of the positives, was, well, politically we got to see
Speaker 2: what far leftists do when you give them extreme, power
Speaker 2: and oh, men they lick their chops and rub their
Speaker 2: hands together and get excited when they realized all the
Speaker 2: power that they could, have that governors and mayors and you, know,
Speaker 2: yes even presidents could. Have during the, PANDEMIC i think you,
Speaker 2: know it happened during the very end Of trump's, administration
Speaker 2: and so many of us didn't know what the heck
Speaker 2: was going. ON i, mean, heck there was a time
Speaker 2: where actually believed and agreed With Tony. FAUCI i mean
Speaker 2: early on when we first were hearing from, him when
Speaker 2: all this stuff was. New it's, like, wait we want
Speaker 2: to shut down things for how? Long two three? Weeks
Speaker 2: that seems like a long. Time we didn't know it's
Speaker 2: going to be, like you, know a year plus that
Speaker 2: so many things were shut. Down but that was one
Speaker 2: of the you, know positive, things is we got to
Speaker 2: see how crazy the left is when given extreme, power
Speaker 2: not that we didn't know that. Already the second positive,
Speaker 2: thing or a second positive THING i would, say is
Speaker 2: that we realized how not important it is to be
Speaker 2: in the office five days a week for those of
Speaker 2: us who work in office, jobs and so many things
Speaker 2: can be accomplished remotely and now here in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: SIX i, mean you, KNOW i hear so many young,
Speaker 2: people even my nieces and nephew who are in their
Speaker 2: mid twenties in late twenties, now talking about their, jobs
Speaker 2: and you, know someone their entry, level but the step
Speaker 2: beyond entry level now in your mid to late. Twenties you,
Speaker 2: know some of them have gotten promotions, already and you
Speaker 2: know they're moving on maybe to their second. Job AND
Speaker 2: i asked, them you, know how many days a week
Speaker 2: are going in some of. THEM i have wondiece who
Speaker 2: doesn't is fully remote. Already she's an, accountant one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Remote and at, First i'm, like you, know you're kind
Speaker 2: of missing out on, that you, know talk over the
Speaker 2: water cooler and going out to lunch with your friends and,
Speaker 2: hey let's go out for drink after, works thing that
Speaker 2: people in their twenties tend to. Do and she, says,
Speaker 2: yeah you, KNOW i did get that a little, bit
Speaker 2: And i've built those relationships and, friendships but we're kind
Speaker 2: of figuring out her own thing. Now we handed out
Speaker 2: of the people's, houses we communicate. Online you, know there's
Speaker 2: there's so in many, ways it shifted society into realizing
Speaker 2: that a lot of the stuff we do as a
Speaker 2: society and its occupations can be done. Remotely and so
Speaker 2: those people who live in cities where everything's, concentrated and
Speaker 2: obviously you can can concentrate political power in cities not
Speaker 2: as important as it used to. Be that's a good
Speaker 2: thing for those of us who live in rural and
Speaker 2: uh not big City. America what we have to do
Speaker 2: is make sure that those you, know middle aged liberals
Speaker 2: who want to move out to uh where we, live,
Speaker 2: uh they don't bring their politics with. Them that's that's the.
Speaker 2: Key that's that's the. Rub all, right we will be
Speaker 2: right back On Tony katz. TODAY i Am Mike coolidge
Speaker 2: in For. Tony don't go, Anywhere, yes, yes, Yes Mike
Speaker 2: coolidge in For Tony kats On Tony katz. Today, man
Speaker 2: this has been fun and, man three hours flew, by
Speaker 2: AND i thank you so much for. Listening uh we
Speaker 2: even with this thought the presidency and the candidacy for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Eight you, know it is now the, summertime
Speaker 2: which means fall is right around the, corner which, means you,
Speaker 2: know the. Midterms as soon as you're done presidential races
Speaker 2: are going to. Start you're gonna have, Announcements you're gonna
Speaker 2: have You BUT i, Mean President trump obviously can't run
Speaker 2: for another, Election so who's it gonna. Be the money
Speaker 2: has been ON. Jd vance AND i am as big
Speaker 2: a supporter OF. Jd vance as you will find talking
Speaker 2: about him as a politician in doen't forget about president
Speaker 2: for a. Second he is. Awesome i've met. HIM i
Speaker 2: read his book when it came. Out you, Know He'll Billy.
Speaker 2: ELEGY i just think he's one of the sharpest minds
Speaker 2: in all of. Politics and he is the only PERSON
Speaker 2: i Think i've ever met and listened to AFTER i
Speaker 2: met them in person and after consuming what they were.
Speaker 2: Doing this is back During Hillbilly elogy. TIME i, said
Speaker 2: this guy's going to be president, someday AND i still
Speaker 2: think he's going to be president. Someday could he and
Speaker 2: will he run for president in twenty twenty. Eight it's,
Speaker 2: possible it's, PROBABLY i would say it's more probable than.
Speaker 2: Not but if he, doesn't and there are reasons why he,
Speaker 2: wouldn't he's got another child on the. Way he's a young.
Speaker 2: Guy he's barely forty one years. OLD i think he's
Speaker 2: got what many say, is you, know some of the
Speaker 2: most wonderful time of your life is when you're a
Speaker 2: parent and you have you, know children and their kid,
Speaker 2: years you, know single digit, years and then. Teenager he's
Speaker 2: got another ten years of, that at least he might
Speaker 2: he might bow out or not bow. Out just makes me, like,
Speaker 2: hey you know, What i'm going to take a break
Speaker 2: From Bob digs or do some you, know private sectors
Speaker 2: and let's check back at ten. Years he checks back
Speaker 2: in ten, years he'll be fifty one years. Old that's
Speaker 2: pretty darn young for being. President for running for, president,
Speaker 2: Well Marco rubio is s goosh fifteen years older than.
Speaker 2: Him at least he has some of the highest approval
Speaker 2: ratings of any politician of either. Side extremely like, well extremely,
Speaker 2: smart extremely. Experienced he's run for president, before and he's
Speaker 2: been A secretary Of state who everyone respects him. LIKES i,
Speaker 2: Mean rubio is the guy if vance decides not to.
Speaker 2: Run the other THING i get and here often is
Speaker 2: these two guys really like each. Other they're, Buds SO
Speaker 2: i don't see them necessarily running against them against each.
Speaker 2: OTHER i, MEAN i think it's gonna be either or
Speaker 2: Obviously vance can't you, know remain vice. President he can't
Speaker 2: be vice president for sixteen. Years that would be a little,
Speaker 2: weird And i'll you, know obviously that's never happened. Before
Speaker 2: but so you can't have A Rubyo dvance. Ticket and
Speaker 2: so then who if it Is, rubio who would it?
Speaker 2: Be who would be THE? Vp there's some time to decide. That,
Speaker 2: honestly that's often not decided until the, summer right before the.
Speaker 2: Election so two years we might not know until that is.
Speaker 2: Picked But rubio Or VANCE i think will be the
Speaker 2: next president of The United. States remember that as we
Speaker 2: talk In may of twenty twenty. Six that is going
Speaker 2: to do. It for this broadcast Of Tony katz, TODAY
Speaker 2: i have been and will continue to Be Mike. Coolidge
Speaker 2: find me an act that's, Trouble, okay have a great.
Speaker 2: Weekend