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FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: William Henry

Tonight, author, researcher and TV host/producer William Henry joins us to talk about his recent trip to Gobekli Tepe!!!

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would vanish if we were facing an alien threat. from

outside this world.

Speaker 2: This is Fade to Black with your host, Jimmy Church,

on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 1: Good evening. How you doing? I was fixing my hair.

I was fixing my hair.

Speaker 2: This is Fade to Black, Thursday, September 24th, 2026. I'm

your host, Jimmy Church.

Speaker 1: What is cracking, everybody? How you doing? Let's do this, man. Yeah.

This week on Fade to Black. What a great week.

Monday night, Patricia Corey was here. CERN and our shifting realities.

Tuesday night, an amazing conversation with Chase McCarty, remote viewing

and AI. Pretty cool to have an AI team leading

software engineer from San Francisco. Working for one of the

big ones up there to come on this show and

speak about those things. Absolutely incredible. Last night, Whitley Streber

was here. Oh, he's great. Whitley lit it up last night.

He always does. And if you're going to do it properly,

you do it how we do it around here. You

wrap up the week with the one and only William Henry.

And go back, Lee Tappy. That's what you do. That's

what you do, man. If you can do it, that's

what you do. I posted this up in the chat.

I knew this. I wanted to get William on the

show a little bit ago. And he was at Go

Beckley Tappy. And I said, okay, well, William, that's fine. Michelle,

that's fine. But as soon as you get back and

he's back and he's with us tonight. Uh, yeah, we

haven't done a Gobekli Tepe show in, in quite a while,

considering we used to do one, uh, you know, once

a week, twice a week, uh, for years. It is

absolutely incredible. So we're going to cover all of that

tonight and find out what he learned and what he saw,

what he discovered, how he feels and all of that.

So tonight it's all Gobekli Tepe all the time. We'll

get some other stuff in. We always do because it's

William Henry. He's, uh, an amazing author. investigative mythologist, and

of course, a TV presenter. And he is, I almost

said spiritual leader, the spiritual side of consulting and producing

over at Ancient Aliens, amongst other things. And of course,

he's with me over on Gaia. And with that, I

would like to welcome back to Fade to Black, the

one and only William Henry. He's right there. Welcome back.

Good evening, Jimmy.

Speaker 2: How are you doing? Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thank you. And you are welcome. I

heard a little bit of an echo, so if you

could turn your speakers down. Yeah, we didn't have that

during sound check. I don't know what's going on. But

that doesn't matter, William. We'll work on it on our

end as well. Okay? Okay, thank you. Oh, man. Go

Beckley Tappy. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.

So let me ask you this, William. You and I

love Egypt, and I talk about Egypt all the time,

and so do you. I'm reminded of when Zahi Haywas. Oh, man,

that echo is out of control. Shit. I just said

a bad word. Yeah, don't switch. Don't. Just turn it down.

Because if you edit the mic settings on your end,

it will change what we are working on over here. Okay.

It's too loud. That's way too loud. Okay, better. Kind of.

We've got to figure it out.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 1: Okay. It reminds me of when Zahi Haywas got in

that little tip that was videoed with Graham Hancock when

he said, what is this Gobekli Tepe that you speak of?

I've never heard of it. That's not the case, is it?

Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's really not. I mean, that was

really quite a dramatic scene. And I'm sure Zahi would

love to have a mulligan.

Speaker 1: On that one and have that back.

Speaker 2: But I think he was talking straight. He didn't really

know what Gobekli Tepe was or the the importance of

the discovery of this temple site, if we want to

call it that, that predates Stonehenge, rivals the pyramids in importance,

and demonstrates some very important facts about our prehistory, that

we had the ability to create structures like this even

before we invented writing, before there was civilization as we

know it today, certainly. And so it's ground zero for

all the ancient mysteries on our planet right now.

Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I think I just figured out the problem.

Tap on your mic. Yeah, your mic's off. Okay. What? Yeah,

that's the problem. Okay, so don't worry about your mic. William,

as quickly as you can, go to the bottom of

the screen and click on that sprocket, and that'll bring

up audio.

Speaker 2: Okay, one moment. Let me find that sprocket.

Speaker 1: I'm going to apologize to everybody here. It's at the very,

very bottom in the menu bar. Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 2: I don't have any control on my screen here. Oh,

there's the sprocket.

Speaker 1: Okay. Okay, click on audio, and then there's your mic.

Hit the drop-down menu and select your microphone. Okay, very good.

Thank you, Jimmy. See, kids these days. Kids these days, William.

What am I supposed to do? These kids.

Speaker 2: I know.

Speaker 1: I'm totally with you. It's so basic.

Speaker 2: It's fundamental.

Speaker 1: I was like, we just had a great sound check.

Everything is fine. And then it just went wonky. I

was like, what's this echo?

Speaker 2: Oh, man.

Speaker 1: Okay. Reset. Reset. Let's just do a harder reset. William,

welcome to the show. How are you doing?

Speaker 2: I'm great, Jimmy. Thank you so much. So good to

hear your voice.

Speaker 1: It's so good to hear yours, William. But yeah, and

that's the whole point, I think, what Gobekli Tepe has

given all of us. And it's this. So much attention paid, deservedly,

to Egypt and Mesopotamia, even Stonehenge, or different megaliths, Peru,

for instance. But Gobekli Tepe comes along and completely flips

everything over. Everything that we were taught, everything that history says, archaeology, anthropology,

everything just suddenly flips over. And it still isn't the

global phenomenon that it deserves. Are you surprised by that?

Speaker 2: Gosh, I really am, Jimmy. Having done I think I'm

doing my 35th tour of Egypt in October, another few

weeks here, October 20th through 31st. So I'm very familiar

with Egypt and that experience. Turkey is yet a whole

layer above that. It delivers the big wow repeatedly. I mean,

you are just embraced by a culture that is so ancient,

so relative, so important, but yet so underappreciated in a way.

And a lot of the Turks that I would talk

with say, wow, we really want to bring more people here.

We want to help people see the magnificence of Turkey.

And boy, I saw it. I experienced it. And I

cannot wait to get back from Istanbul through Ephesus, Cappadocia,

San Leofa, Gobekli Tepe. The whole experience is so just

simply mind-blowing. And Just such a beautiful feeling place. The

people are so kind and wonderful and open. The culture,

the city's super clean, modern. The whole experience was just truly,

truly special.

Speaker 1: So what sticks out? You're such an experienced traveler and writer.

And just looking at stuff, opening up your eyes and

asking questions. You're really good at that. It's your gig,

by the way. Don't change it. But what sticks out

for you with Gobekli Tepe? Well, for me, I've.

Speaker 2: Been called to Gobekli Tepe for a long time. Going

back to my 2012 book, The Judgment Day Device, I

was tracking the Edomasea, the throne of Christ. And my

research suggested that maybe Edessa, ancient Edessa, the blessed city,

modern day of San Leofa, 10 miles from Gobekli Tepe,

was that actual site where it might have been, the

throne of Christ might have been taken. We know the

Shroud of Turin was taken there in the third or

fourth century. And it just struck me, the proximity to

Gobekli Tepe, knowing the importance of that site, even, what

was it now, 14 years ago, 2012, we were just

almost only 15 years into the revelation of the existence

of this place. And here we are, talking about a

repository in San Leofa for some of the greatest relics

in human history. And it suggested to me that intuitively

there had to be an understanding in biblical times, the

time of Jesus, of knowledge of the existence of Gobekli Tepe,

and that that answers why Edessa rose as this really

incredible place of not only a fortified place as a repository,

but also as a place of emergence of some really,

truly incredible works. Ephraim the Syrian, the Revelation of the Magi,

this incredible story about the Magi that inspired my current

journey to Turkey. It's all right there, and it's such

a layer cake that you really have to It's going

to take me a little bit of time actually to

process all that we experienced while we were there.

Speaker 1: It's literally a layer cake. It's not metaphor. And we

have to scratch our heads and just think, okay, what

else is to be discovered at Gobekli Tepe? We know

that there's more there. But then we knew it was

going to happen. Now, there's so many teppies that are

being discovered right around Gobekli Tepe. And the last three

that have been discovered and they're working on now are

much older than Gobekli Tepe. Yeah, it's pretty crazy, isn't it?

Speaker 2: It really is. You know, when I was there this

past summer, I was invited up to a very exclusive

private camp in Northern California. This is an overall camp that, again,

it's a place where boys go to become men. It's, again,

invitation only. It's a major camp that separated itself into

125 separate camps. And by camps, I mean these are

places where it's very rustic. It's in Northern California. Each

camp is you've got a chef, you've got a bar.

You got amazing conversation. And when I was at Gobekli Tepe,

I kept thinking back to my experience this past summer

at this camp, thinking that Gobekli Tepe struck me as

a place where we know one, for example, it's highly speculative,

but it's widely believed that they were drinking psychoactive beer

at Gobekli Tepe. It originated at Gobekli Tepe. And it

had the feeling to me of this camp, like these

tepes were just the parallel version of the camps where

you would go and you would be drinking the beer.

You'd be in these highly mystical settings. It's a place

where there's all this otherworldly imagery. You've got a circular

encampment with these pillars, the tea pillars. You've got this

strange symbolism, foxes and so forth on these pillars. You've

got a campfire in the middle. It's an enclosed space

that you're, you're in. And it just felt to me

like this was a place where people came to celebrate

that transition from boyhood to manhood, that this was a

place where you came to be with the big boys

and learn ultimately the secrets of the universe. And you

would leave from this experience transformed.

Speaker 1: What do you... That's amazing. I like the parallels there,

connecting the dots. Because... Let's actually stay right there for

a second. That appears to be exactly, I don't know

if we should consider it like maybe a school, and

those are classrooms, right? I like that. Yeah, yeah. Ceremonial, possibly. Cosmic, cosmic.

For sure. Yeah, yeah. But what we don't see at

Gobekli Tepe is, is angst and war right now yeah

completely missing so it seems that it was something it

was a place that was very very special the idea

of it being deliberately buried would only add to that

you know to preserve it but uh i like what

you're saying you know everybody gathering you know you got

socrates in the middle you got the breakout classrooms you

know what i mean Yep.

Speaker 2: They're drinking that psychoactive beer. They're seeing things. They're connecting.

They're connecting dots within their own consciousness. And that's the

feeling I got. It was clearly the highlight of our journey.

Everybody on the tour could not wait to get to

Gobekli Tepe. And what was fun is that when we arrived,

they normally have you take a bus to It's about,

I don't know, a half a mile up a, not

a very steep incline from the visitor center up to

Gobekli Tepe. And it was going to be like a

20 minute wait. So we just decided to walk it

and it ended up being the most beautiful procession up

the pathway with fields of gold on either side. Sting

song was, I literally brought it up on my phone.

And as we processed up to Gobekli Tepe, we, We

had some beautiful ladies that were with us. They were

spreading rose petals along our path. It was very ceremonial.

It was very sacred. It was very intentional. We were

going back to the place of origins. We had talked

about the plains of Haran, which are nearby, which is

where Adam and Eve came through the Garden of Eden.

Speaker 1: Abraham. Abraham.

Speaker 2: Abraham.

Speaker 1: A couple blocks away, right?

Speaker 2: A couple blocks away, the pools of Abraham. You are

in the original setting of This is the emergence, the

origin point for the human race. And it has this

completely other dimensional feel. You almost feel like you're in

the holodeck on the Starship Enterprise because everything is just

fields of gold as far as the eye can see.

And what was fascinating, Jimmy, is that, again, we didn't

take the bus. We walked up this processional pathway. And

then we, of course, walked back down. And I noticed

a couple dolmens on either side of this pathway. And

I asked our guide about it. And her response was,

what dolmens? It's like, here's my pictures. These are dolmens

on either side of this pathway. And my point is,

is not to disparage the guide. It's just that they usually,

this is like flyover territory. You know, you want to

get past this half mile of processional walkway. To get

to Gobekli Tepe, you're not even thinking about what you're

experiencing along the way. But it's just the entire setup

of it is just magnificent from a processional point of view,

from the perspective of a visitor arriving and knowing. they're

stepping out of the ordinary world into a very extraordinary place.

It's like, as you can well remember, the first time

you go inside the pyramid. When you approach the Giza Plateau,

for example, it's as magnificent and as almost overwhelming as

that when you start to factor in the history of

what's there and the meaning of this place.

Speaker 1: Now, I'm so jealous, man. So jealous.

Speaker 2: Um.

Speaker 1: Yeah, next time you and I cross the street together,

you're going to turn to me and go, Church, I'm

going to take you to Gobekli Tepe. You want to go?

Speaker 2: Gobekli Tepe. Yeah, Gobekli Tepe.

Speaker 1: We're going. Now, I want to live this vicariously through you.

So let me ask you this. You are at a

place that is not speculated about its age in that

we have a definitive– 12,000-year age that is put on

it going back to around 10,000, 10,500 B.C. That right

there must be insane to observe. And you've been doing

this for a very long time. How do you compare

your past experiences walking in truly megalithic stuff to something

that is that old?

Speaker 2: Well, let's compare it to the approach to the Great

Pyramid Complex, to the Giza Plateau. You and I know

it's much older than Egyptology suggests, than 2400 BC or

whatever number they give. We could agree on probably 10,000

BC for the pyramids. We might even be able to

agree on 50,000 years old. But it's not verified. Gobekli

Tepe is 100% verified. Not open to speculation here. Not

open to speculation. There's no question. You're at the bedrock

of the human dating system as far as we know

it in terms of creating complexes like this. And then

on top of that, at the Sandley Urfa Museum, you

get to go come face-to-face with Urfa Man.

Speaker 1: We're getting ahead of our skis. Of course, I'm going

to circle back to Urfa Man. For sure.

Speaker 2: But I'm just kind of setting, putting him in the

context here that it's not just one site. It's artifacts

that are also, we know, absolutely that old. And it's

difficult for our mind to grasp that because we think

in terms of decades. We don't think in terms of millennia,

like 10 millennia separates us from the creators of Gobekli Tepe. Yet,

we intuitively know the understanding of the importance of it.

We want to connect with it. We don't want to

leave while we're there. There is something that is encoded

within those stones that is magnetic, that is attracting us

at a spiritual level, that is feeding us while we're there.

Just being in the presence of it was truly, truly

a very soft, if I might say that, spiritual experience.

It was a feeling like coming home.

Speaker 1: What's the state of the archaeology up there? Was it

busy or is there... a lack of activity.

Speaker 2: You know, in my experience, and I'm aware there's some controversy,

not controversy, but some contention, if you will, among some

in the alternative history community. They're wanting them to hit

the gas on the exploration there. I totally agree with that,

understand that. But at the same time, of all the

sites that we visited in Turkey, and we hit them all.

I mean, we were busy, busy just going around. Gobekli

Tepe was the one that was the best curated to me.

In other words, I feel like the Turkish people, the

Turkish government are committed to create an experience there for

the people, maybe not just for the alternative historians who

want more. There was very clearly signs of archaeological activity

all around us while we were there. And I can

see now... the difficulty that is facing this archaeological revelation.

Because I remember it's gone around in my head for

a while. They've speculated it's going to take generations to

reveal everything that is at Gobekli Tepe. And part of

my response was, well, how do they know that? I mean, LIDAR,

of course. We've got that that has shown us what's there.

But just it's not an entirely hospitable thing. environment for

archaeological exploration. I mean, it's literally, you know, this kind

of just open area that you can see for miles

and miles and miles. I mean, probably a hundred miles

off into the distance. And you can see that, wow,

it really is going to take some time to unveil

this place.

Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you this. This is just my observation,

but I want your thoughts on it. How lucky is Turkey?

Turkey inherited two unbelievable situations. Gobekli Tepe and Egypt. Right, right.

The Mamelukes, they were the government of Egypt when Napoleon

got there. They were sitting on Egypt. And now it's

Gobekli Tepe. I just want the audience to understand. Gobekli

Tepe is now in modern-day Egypt. I mean, modern-day Turkey.

And Turkey is only 600 years old. That was in

the Armenian highlands before that for millennia and millennia and millennia.

and what country and who it was. It wasn't the

Turkish ancestors that constructed this site. It's that old. Turkey

just inherited it. So I just want to be clear

so everybody understands. But the question is, how lucky is

Turkey to have both of these sites in their history?

Speaker 2: And I would turn it on its head and just say,

how lucky are we to have Turkey as a destination?

I mean, I literally can't wait to go back. We're

planning our 2027 expedition as we speak. The country is

phenomenally clean. It's gorgeous. The sights are amazing. The people

are absolutely incredible. The food is off the chart. Every

single moment that we experienced in Turkey was superlative in

every way. It is I mean, Egypt can be an

uphill grind for some people just because it's a third

world country. And there's things that make it a little

bit challenging for travelers. Like you can't drink the water.

Like you can't eat some of the food. In Turkey,

that is not an issue at all. We are drinking

water out of the tap every day. We are eating

everything that they serve. The food was incredibly fresh, all.

Speaker 1: Organic, superfood.

Speaker 2: Supremely delicious. I mean, the entire experience from beginning to end,

from the time you land into the airport in Istanbul,

you feel like you've landed on another planet as compared

to other airports around the world. And then just the

entire experience is just off the chart in all areas.

Speaker 1: Now, you're a symbolism guy. That's what you do. There

is enough symbolism in Gobekli Tepe to last us for generations.

But to have that type of relief work and artisan

stuff there, but it's all deliberate. So as you're looking

at the pillars, what's your takeaway? And was there something

specifically magical for you?

Speaker 2: Well, my takeaway was, I remember some of the 3D

art that's coming off some of the pillars. I'm thinking, gosh,

why don't we do that today in our homes? It's

so cool to have this 3D creature crawling down this pillar.

And for me, it was like a treasure hunt to, first,

you have to orientate yourself where you're at and you

have to realize what some of the enclosures are called

and then start to use your eye to train itself

to look at some of the specific symbolism that you

see on the pillars so you don't miss it. Because really,

it's like having, like, overseeing an entire forest. And then

you start to look at the individual trees because you're

really appreciating the beauty and the immensity and the meaning

of the forest itself. And so I spent a lot

of my time just trying to open to the space

rather than close in on specific symbolism. I would find

myself flip-flopping, of course, because your eye, you just can't

help but have your attention drawn to specific areas. First

of all, as you approach Gobekli Tepe, it's a circular structure.

And so you're walking around the structure. So at first,

you're getting one point of view, and then you're continually

changing your point of view as you go around the structure. And,

you know, again, for me, it wasn't so much trying

to connect to that ancient mind, because they're so divorced

from us. But at the same time, it was just

a moment of appreciation that This is being revealed to

us now for a reason. There is something more that

is there that is going to be coming out of

the ground and probably soon.

Speaker 1: What did you make of, I'm going to be specific

and then we can narrow it down, Enclosure D. We

read about it, we see the pictures, but now you

get to enter it for yourself. Take me through that.

Speaker 2: Yeah. And so one of the things was, one, the

size surprised me. It's smaller than I thought, for example.

I mean, these enclosures are enough for, you know, maybe

10 people or something like that to sit comfortably. If

they're arranged in a circle and there's indeed a campfire

that is in the center of the enclosure, which some

believe that there was, you can see that it's a

very intimate experience. whatever took place there, and that you

would cycle through from room to room to room. And this, again,

is what started me to think about this is like

an encampment. You're not meant to stay in one camp.

You're meant to go from camp to camp to camp

and have different conversations or ceremonies or experiences.

Speaker 1: The astrological possibilities there, did you take a chance? Did

you take a moment? to maybe possibly align yourself and

get a feel for those ideas? I did.

Speaker 2: I did there and also at Carahan Tepe. And what

threw me at Carahan was that the enclosures had roofs.

And so I wonder, how does it work exactly to

have the light on a particular day on the equinox,

for example, coming through into the enclosure? How does that

work when it's, when it's roofed? So I'm still working

through that one and have to, you know, again, go

back and hit the books and, and see how that,

that might be possible.

Speaker 1: Well, I've thought, oh man, I've talked so much about

Gobekli Tepe. I threw this out there originally, and everybody

that I've spoke to about the possibility of there being

roofs or structure above the enclosures was always shot down

and poo-pooed. But if you look to me, the T-pillars

all have those scoops, those holes on the top, which

looks to me like it was– you know, possibly rafters,

and then maybe something laid on top of it, whether

they're wood or stone. Everybody just, you know, walked away

from that idea. I think because people don't want a

roof there. They want the open sky. Right, right. Right,

but it looks to me like some of them may

have had roofs.

Speaker 2: I'm personally convinced that they did. That's what makes sense

as we're looking at it.

Speaker 1: Really? See, that's why I like you, William. See, you

got to think outside the box. It looks like, and

when you look at the way the T-pillars are laid out,

it just feels like something you would buy at Costco,

you know, some pergola for your backyard.

Speaker 2: Totally, totally, totally. You're really snug in that enclosure.

Speaker 1: It's roof.

Speaker 2: And it's completely dark in there except for the fire.

That sort of a feeling is what I'm getting. You're

not under the stars. You're not lining yourself up with stars.

I mean, at least in my experience. And again, I

am totally excited about hitting the books now that I've

been there. I made a conscious choice not to dive

too deeply into the experience. When I take people on

tours to Egypt, they always ask me, what book should

I read before I go? And I always tell them,

don't read anything.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Because you're going to be muddled when you get there.

You're going to be trying to figure out where am

I and who's this and what's what. Feel it. Find

out what calls you. Then when you get home, then

you can hit the books. And then if a return

visit is appropriate, then do that. But I know for sure,

I can't wait to go back to go back to Tepe.

Speaker 1: I asked you one time, and I took your advice.

I asked you one time. This is many years ago.

I said, so William, What's the hot spot in Egypt?

Where's the place where you step in and your legs

start to vibrate? And what does it for you? And

you go, church, my answer is not going to be

your answer. It's going to find you. It's going to

come and find you. And you're absolutely right about that.

And so with Egypt, the things that I thought were

going to have an effect on me didn't. It was

the places that, right, when you least expect it. Exactly.

You know.

Speaker 2: That's what makes it so authentic, too. When it takes

you over like that unexpectedly, serendipitously, that's so real.

Speaker 1: It's so authentic. I have a couple of other thoughts

I'm going to save for after the– something upset me

the other day. I was– and people– Don't address this,

and certainly Egypt doesn't. They don't want people to know.

Is that– how do I say– I don't want to

say this the wrong way. When they built the Aswan Dam,

they moved a lot of stuff. And that stuff got

moved from its original sacred place. And I don't want

to be specific here. You understand what I'm talking about.

But you can't go up to an artificially created modern

situation and talk about how magnificently spiritual it is when

it's no different than, no different than, just going to

say it, man, Disneyland. It's a recreation. It's a recreation.

Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't want to

ruin the trip for other people, so I don't want

to get specific on sites. But you know exactly what

I'm talking about. I was watching this the other day,

and I was so disappointed that this person doesn't know.

You know what I mean? They're there, and they're excited

in the moment. What they don't realize was where you are,

that mountain behind you, was man-made.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 1: Right. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? And

it's not advertised, is it? No, no.

Speaker 2: I mean, it is mentioned, but I mean, it is

part of the experience. And there is that element where

the mind makes the medicine. And I've seen it in

other places too, in Southern France. And I just, I

think I find it to be really pure and innocent.

So You know, it's that spirit that wants to have

that connection and wants to have that experience.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right. A hundred percent. Perception is half

of it. And if that's what you get out of it,

that's what you get out of it. That's fantastic. But

what I'm saying is it's not like one of the

tour guides walked up to the person that's shooting, you know,

the video going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

We made this. Right. I don't want you to be misled. Right, right.

And I just saw that and I was just taken

aback a little bit. And, you know, I didn't know

until I found out. It wasn't like I read it

in a book or anything. I remember them moving. You

know what? I'm going to get off the subject. I

remember them moving those statues and the struggle that they

went through. And that, to me, is part of the

magic of it. Okay, so we struggled with cranes and

hydraulic jacks and welding and everything. And they messed it up, right?

It never aligned. They tried to get it pointed to

the sun. Well, then how did the Egyptians do it?

Speaker 2: Right?

Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. If we can't literally are struggling like this

with all the modern technology that we had, Well, then

why don't we just step back and analyze that? This

is our struggle with modern technology. Then shouldn't we really

take a serious look at how it was done in

ancient times?

Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean, there's a state of

the art that is still completely absent from our understanding

and represents really kind of a holy grail of archaeology

to be able to duplicate what the ancients could do

in all respects, not just in the sense of the hardware,

moving the stones, building the pyramids, but also in the software,

the spiritual transformation that went along with those temples. We're

in no way, shape, or form prepared to duplicate what

the ancients were able to do. But we're trying to

find out.

Speaker 1: Well, and then with everything, when we look at Gobekli Tepe,

ancient Egypt was modern. Compared to Gobekli Tepe. So then

you back up and you go, okay, well, okay, we

can struggle with Giza. Okay, we can struggle with that.

But Gobekli Tepe now, this is a whole nother situation

about artistry, engineering, community, obviously quarrying and stone work and

everything else that quite seriously predated everything that we were

familiar with by at least 7,000 years.

Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And, you know, something that I really

loved about being there, Jimmy, was just being among the people,

the Kurdish people that were there, the Turks, there's probably

some Syrians, just we don't have an opportunity to mingle

with people from that part of the world that often.

But when you're there and you're with them, they have

the same sense of wonder that I did. They have

the same questions. that I did, they know as much

as I do, right? It's not Disneyland to these people.

They're coming to pay homage to a very important and

indeed sacred site. And I really appreciated the level of

reverence that was in the air among the people that

were there. There was almost a silence because you know

that this place is trying to speak to us. And

I think everybody that was there while we were there

were trying to tap in and listen to what the

place was trying to say to us.

Speaker 1: Can I be funny for a second? Sure, please. I'm

going to try some humor. Can you imagine being at

the dinner table when your son comes in and you

ask your son, did you get your plowing done today?

And he goes, man, there's this rock. up there that

I keep hitting it and it's dinging the plow. I

have to resharpen it. Can we just blow that thing up? Right?

And they had no idea that that plow was changing,

was about to change world history. How crazy is that?

That's exactly how it happened. No, I know.

Speaker 2: In Ancient Aliens Live, we did a segment about this,

and Giorgio would start spinning this yarn about the discovery

of a Gobekli Tepe and this lamb that fell down

a hole, and this is how we found it. And

Nick Pope would be over there next to me, and

we started this running gag back and forth. We named

the little lamb Flissy, and oh, poor Flissy. I hope

nobody's going to eat her tonight. And then Then Nick

would look at me and he'd just go, and I would,

it would be all I had to stop from just

a belly laugh. So, I mean, it was just so

much fun, but yeah.

Speaker 1: Just imagine, you know, that you, you know, you buy

a piece of property or you inherit or whatever, but

on that property is something so ancient and so sacred

and hidden throughout history.

Speaker 2: I mean, we just don't know. I mean, I'll tell

you a fun story, too. When we arrived in Istanbul

for the tour, we got there a couple of days

ahead of the tour, and my beloved Julie had a dream.

And in this dream, Medusa came to her. And was

telling her, I'm trapped in this cistern. You've got to

help me. You've got to help me get out of

this cistern. I'm in this sarcophagus and all this. And

Julie wakes up and tells me this dream. And I'm like, wow, okay,

that's wild. Well, two days later, with our guide, we

did a tour of the Hagia Sophia. Our hotel is

right next door to Hagia Sophia. And we start to

walk around our environs. And she says, oh, and here's

the Basilica Cistern. And Julie's like, Cistern? What are you

talking about? She said, I had a dream about a

cistern the other night and Medusa. And our guide says, yeah,

the legend is that Medusa is trapped in the Basilica Cistern.

Speaker 1: Wow.

Speaker 2: And I say that to say as an affirmation that

we were literally walking on top of this cistern the

day before and we had no idea it was even there.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: And it goes to your point about the locals out

in near San Leofa. Of course, like the Valley of

the Kings, the legends, the locals knew where the entrance

was to Tut's tomb, for example, and that sort of thing.

It's passed down orally, and there must have been knowledge

about Gobekli Tepe passed along through generations. But again, to

your point, we're walking on top of this, and we

had no idea. Just like the shepherds would have their

flocks of sheep walking on top of Gobekli Tepe for millennia,

and nobody had any conscious awareness that what was underneath

the soil there.

Speaker 1: Can I talk to you about, let's talk a little

spirituality if we can for a second. I tend to

leave religion alone on this show, but I love the

conspiracy of religion. That we can talk about. Anyway, I've

joked a lot over the years because when I would

sit at the Mina house And I would, you know,

at the steps of, you know, right in front of

the Great Pyramid, and I would always, you know, crack

these tasteless jokes. You know, Moses walked right there. We

are walking on the sand that Moses walked on. Well,

that's a very heavy thought. You can read about it.

You can watch the movies, Charlton Heston, whatever. But it's

a whole other thing to actually go to these locations.

And you flip that over, and now we're talking about

Gobekli Tepe, where it all happened. Abraham, his family, all

of the Old Testament, right? Did you pick up on

that vibe? Oh, totally, Jimmy.

Speaker 2: I mean, my gosh, you know, I've spent decades talking

about the story of Adam and Eve. They come out

of Eden, this higher, finer realm, maybe another layer of creation.

They're evicted from Eden. They cross through this gate at

the east of Eden. The Old Testament God puts a

flashing flaming sword in the middle of that gate with

cherubim angels on either side, forbids humanity to return to

that gate until we clean up our act. Well, that

location east of Eden, I was standing there. on the

plane of Haran. And that just went deep into my soul.

This is where it happened. It looks today, nothing like

it did thousands of years ago, but still the imprint

of that event is on this location. And, and that was,

it was as if I had like a, a visor

on my, on my sunglasses at all times looking through

that lens. I am standing, this is where This is

where history began. This is where humanity originated. This is

where we first really came together and just was looking

at that landscape with total wonder and amazement about where

I was actually standing.

Speaker 1: And what was the thought that was going through your head?

And did you have a vision? Did anything come down

to you spiritually?

Speaker 2: Not yet. You know, I was looking at it again.

I referenced the holodeck on Star Trek. It is such

a barren landscape when you're on the plains of Mesopotamia

like that or the plains of Iran.

Speaker 1: It's magical.

Speaker 2: And again, having read the Sitchin books and been familiar

with the Anunnaki, and this is where some of these

stories actually took place. Nebuchadnezzar was here and and all

of the history at these places, you cannot help but

be impacted by that. And you do want to sort

of find, have a vision of what might have happened there. Um,

it was one of the things that guided our tour was, um,

In southeastern Turkey, they have these amazing legends about Adam

and Eve that, again, they came through the east of Eden,

where humans first originated after being evicted from Eden, is

right there on the plains of Haran. And what was

going through my mind in the discussions on our tour

was the legends in southeastern Turkey that when Eve came

through the gate of Eden, she brought wheat with her.

When Adam came through that gate, he brought a rosebush.

He brought a pomegranate. And as the legend unfolds, what

we learn is that Adam and Eve planted the first gardens.

Agriculture emerges right here on the plains of Haran within

a stone's throw of Gobekli Tepe. This is where 68

grains of wheat that we still eat today in our

pasta and bread originated in this exact place, this dot

of real estate. This is where it began. And the

legend in Southeastern Turkey says that that wheat was imported

from another realm. It was brought by Adam and Eve

into this plane, this plane of creation from another layer.

And Adam, while he's out there toiling in the fields,

he gets tired of the work. So he takes the

rosebush and he fashions it into a plow, a plow

that can be pulled by an ox. Well, that's the

first use of human technology. That's That's transforming our landscape

through technology. That's directly related to what we're doing today

with AI and transhuman technology. That's the origin point. And

it's a long stretch of time, 10,000, 12,000 years is

an immense timescape that we can't even fathom. But again,

when you're standing at that place, as I was, I'm

reaching for those legends and trying to see Adam and

Eve coming through the gate of Eden. See humanity developing

technologically in this area.

Speaker 1: It frustrates me when I hear historians and anthropologists talk

about this exact subject. And they just treat the domestication

of wheat, which is a complex DNA change in the wheat.

This is not... So, and just to brush it off,

because you know how they explain it? Yeah, well, you know. No,

it's not that. You know what I mean? They just

want to blow it. No, you know, things happen. No,

things don't just happen. And the domestication of wheat is

the reason why we have cell phones today. You can't

dismiss that, right? That is a huge thing. And so

when you combine all of this with the biblical historical

record part of this, the stuff that is handed down

orally throughout generations, and apply that to the time scale

that we're talking about, that was a technically advanced civilization, period.

There's no other way to explain it. These were not

digging in the dirt for food.

Speaker 2: No.

Speaker 1: Cavemen. Right.

Speaker 2: No.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: You totally intuitively understand that when you're there, Jimmy, that

there is a level of technology and technological sophistication that

we're not completely willing to accept, at least in the

mainstream right now. But it's very clearly there.

Speaker 1: Now, the Zodiac. And the references to it on the pillar,

I see it, I feel it, and I've always kind

of picked up on that vibe before that speculation and

those theories were laid out there. You've done a lot

of work in this area. Is it a zodiac?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so. I mean, because, again, the

whole orientation of Gobekli Tepe is cosmic, right? And so

that's going to involve star orientation. It's going to involve alignments.

It's going to involve dates. It's going to involve cycles

as well. And so I see all of that playing

important factors in this entire revelation.

Speaker 1: So it felt Zodiac-ish to you? Yeah, it did.

Speaker 2: Those symbolism. Yeah, for sure. That or they're talking strictly

at a very deep archetypal level that we can't even

understand today. But it does make more sense to me,

once again, that they're cosmically orienting us. They're telling us

this is where we came from, or perhaps this is

where we are going. Because I do believe that there

was an interdimensional aspect of this. The stories are all

pointing to that, that beings were coming from another layer.

the Garden of Eden. They're at this place temporarily. There's

instruction that's going on. There's advancement. And even humans will

be able to make that journey with them.

Speaker 1: Are you surprised that there have been no weapons, arrowheads, death, skulls?

Some stuff. People die all the time. You're going to

have that. But there isn't any evidence that Of skirmishes

or things that we find at historical sites everywhere else

on the planet.

Speaker 2: No, but again, this goes to– I remember early on

when I first started reading about Gobekli Tepe, someone had

said that all of the food there was catered. And again,

so it's brought in. In other words, they're not growing

food there. It's all brought in. It's a it's a

place of ceremony. It's a place of celebration. And again,

it reminded me of this exclusive men's encampment that I

was able to visit this summer. It's like, yeah, you

have all these camps. You you don't take anything with you.

You don't bring anything in with you. You just bring

yourself and you leave. And everything is taken care of.

It had exactly that same feel to me.

Speaker 1: Well, you know, because there was very early on, the

question started, okay, well, there's got to be evidence of

human sacrifice, sacrifice of something. It's got to be here.

Let's go find it. And that isn't how you do

archaeology or search for history. You look at the evidence

and then draw conclusions from that. but it just seemed

like that's what they were looking for. They were looking

for violence and they were looking for, uh, sacrificial stuff

and that it had to be that because these are

just a primitive tribal culture and that's what they did.

But there is no evidence of any of that, is there?

Speaker 2: Not, not one scrap of it. In fact, it's the

exact opposite. It's again, ceremonial. It's a place of gathering. Um,

And it's a place of high reverence as well, which

is why they left it so clean, I'm sure, as well.

Speaker 1: Now, do you see the– I mean, it must be

this way. It hasn't been found yet. But do you

feel that there must have been a community, an organized

community and government established? Because you have to quarry. You

have to engineer. You have to move. You have to

feed those workers, which involves family and hierarchy, right, and

establishment and agriculture and domesticated animals. All of that had

to have been in place just for the construction, let

alone something that would be occupied year-long. But we haven't

found evidence of that yet. What does that suggest?

Speaker 2: Well, I think they probably handled a lot of it internally.

It was probably, you know, what we would think of

as a sort of a private place. The members who

sustained it were the builders of it, and they were

also the preservers of it. And any of the new members,

if you will, that would arrive over, we don't know

how long Gobekli Tepe was in operation. I would suspect

for probably many, many generations. but the idea is that

the members themselves would have sustained it and preserved it.

And so, you know, they're not necessarily going to tell

the outside world exactly what is happening at this place. Again,

it's like this private camp. It's like it's members only,

it's invitation only, and whatever happens there is secret.

Speaker 1: Well, just like the workers' village, you know, next to,

you know, on the Giza Plateau, We knew that that

had to be there. We just never found it. It

was buried. But we have. Talk about a super modern discovery, right?

That's crazy. It seems like it was discovered last week.

And that's what I'm suggesting here, where you've got Carahan, Tepe,

multiple Tepes around there. There had to have been organization.

There has to be a workers' village that we haven't

found yet. Well, definitely.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. And again, I'm making this analogy

to this camp where, you know, there's an organization that's

set up for your arrival and then your experience while

you're there and then you leave. But we don't have

necessarily the software traces of who those people were at

Gobekli Tepe, but just the setup of the place totally

rings of that.

Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk about this more after the break. but

I have often felt with my research over the years,

I think you and I have talked about this before,

but I think what the evidence is suggesting is that

the migration of technology and intelligence like came from Siberia,

came from the North and just made its way down

right across, uh, the Armenian Highlands, uh, down into, uh,

You know, Egypt and through there that 7000 years before

that technology was just north of Giza in Syria. But

that's kind of what I'm seeing here because you can

see the trail, you know, going back where it seems

like the culture because we don't know who built it.

But I'm thinking maybe it came from the north. And

made its progression south. What do you think?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's, I like that line. I also

follow the line, the builders of Stonehenge also came from

this area. So it seems as if it's a real,

it's an area of tremendous confluence. It was a repository.

It was a ground zero. It was a meeting place.

All of that enfolded into one.

Speaker 1: Why did they bury it?

Speaker 2: My sense is I subscribe. They buried it to protect it.

They knew that this place had to be sealed off

for a time. And I'm a firm believer that a

lot of these sites have like a metaphysical time clock

attached to them that whoever the builders were, were able

to cloak or conceal these places. And they know that

they are meant for a specific time and place in

the future. And Obviously, 1994 or so when Gobekli Tepe

was discovered was when the alarm clock went off there.

And there's a message there for our time. It wasn't

discovered in the 1400s or 1200s. It was discovered in

the most modern of times. And that tells us that

we need to really pay attention to this.

Speaker 1: Let's take a break. A lot to talk about when

we come back. I want to get to IRFAMAN and

I want to stay right where we are about it

being deliberately buried and the intention there. And what are

the other possibilities? Were they warned about a cosmic event?

Is it older than we think? And the Younger Dryas

is involved and we have great floods that are about

to happen. Was it buried for those reasons? And another

question that I want to explore is, is that if

they buried it to come back later, why didn't they?

And what happened to them? All of that much more

after the break. William, stay right there. The one and

only William Henry is with us. I'm your host, Jimmy Church.

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All right. Welcome back. Fade to black. I am your host,

Jimmy Churchill. There's William. William, you're still there. I was

going to bring you back in. So, uh, welcome William.

William Henry is our guest today. Um, Isn't it interesting, William,

how the most talked about invisible places around the world, Stonehenge, Peru, Egypt,

Gobekli Tepe, are all truly enigmas, right? We don't know.

They're trying to show us something, right? It's there. It's

preserved in stone. It's right in front of us. But

all of the cultures around them inherited them, and we

simply don't know anything about it. Just huge mysteries. Every

single one of them. Isn't that fascinating? William, can you

hear me? Uh-oh. William, you're live. Okay, I'm going to

pull this down. William. William. You're doing something. Okay. Why

can't you hear me? Can you hear me?

Speaker 2: Where are you?

Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. I don't understand what's going on. Can William

hear you? I don't think William can hear me. Nothing

has changed. There are definitely gremlins in the system tonight. Hmm. William,

I'm just going to keep talking about the enigma of

all of these mysteries. Okay. Very strange. See, I can't

even give him instructions on what to do. There's some... Hmm.

This is live, everybody. If this was taped, this is

another situation altogether. But this is live, live. And something

is going on. Huh. William... Okay, I'm going to pull

this down while William is is trying to do that. William,

once you can hear me, just give me the thumbs up.

Just give me the thumbs up. But this is because

he'll throw something. He'll go, okay, I got you now.

But that is one of the things that I find

so compelling. When you go to Peru and you're at,

can you hear me now, William? No, he cannot. When

you go to Peru and you're looking at these sites

and you talk to the locals, Puma Punku is another

great example of that, where there is absolutely no knowledge

and nothing factual to back everything up, where we can

say definitively this is the culture that built it, this

is when they built it, and this is why they

built it. It's all a complete mystery for us to

figure out. So... Again, and we have that all over

Turkey right now. So, let's see. William, can you hear me? William? No, no,

apparently not. Okay, he's going to go and try to

figure out how to make this happen. William, I don't

know what to do, my brother. I don't know what

to do. Okay, I'll tell you what. Let's go to...

So let's take, we'll repeat this break, and I'm going

to call William. So let's just run the commercial again.

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All right. Welcome back, Faded Black. I'm your host, Jimmy Church. Yeah,

William's system is now down, down. So something was happening

and unwinding right in front of us. I just got

off the phone with him and And that's it. Now

he's down, down. Okay. So, uh, we have 45 minutes left.

It's the end of my week. Uh, sorry, everybody that

we had to go through that and you had to

see that in real time, but this is what happens

when you do something, uh, live like this and you

depend on technology. I don't freak out anymore. I just

don't freak out. I don't freak out. I used to when,

whenever there was issues, I would just like, you know,

tip over stuff and break things and It's part of

the game. It's part of the game. Okay. So I'm

going to defer this over to yeah. Questions in all caps. Uh,

John is so funny. Look, look, everybody look questions in

all caps. Yes. Should we, I'll leave it up to

you guys. You guys want to do an AMA? You

guys want to, uh, keep this going. You guys want to,

I it's fine with me. I've got my river moon

coffee right here. You guys want to, uh, You guys

want a questions in all caps situation? Okay. All right.

So let's do an AMA. Let's do an AMA for

the next 45 minutes. And certainly we can focus on

Gobekli Tepe. Yes.

Speaker 2: Yes.

Speaker 1: Okay. I'm watching. Okay. So all you have to do. Okay. Okay. Yeah,

just start banging out the questions. Keep them in all caps. Yeah, okay,

this is great. Okay, so let's see who's popping up first.

Let's see. Have you noticed all of the UFO sightings lately?

I have. I have. I'm very intrigued. I don't know

what's going on, but I'm very intrigued with this video

from Iran. over Tehran. Very interesting video. I know that

that is an authentic video. I feel that that is

just an authentic video. I don't know what's in the video.

Is it us, them? Is it from off planet? I

don't know. Is it US technology that they're sporting over

Iran during this war that is ongoing over there with us.

I don't know. But combined with that, there have been

a lot of sightings around the world over the last

couple of weeks. Very interesting. Yeah. And it seems like,

you know, you can go back to every, not every, Well,

if you look at the historical record during times of

war and conflict, there's stuff in the sky. I mean,

all the way through ancient times. And so you can

back off of where we are right now. You can

look at the Vietnam War. You can back up before that.

You can look at the Korean War, the Korean conflict.

You can back up before that. World War II and,

of course, the Foo Fighters, stuff that was cited in

World War I. And then going back throughout history and

ancient battles and things that were seen in the sky.

So is that what is happening now? Does E.T. have

an interest in our Neanderthal, you know what I mean?

Our vicious, non-evolved lifestyle that we have here. I would

say that that is of great interest. And the nuclear

side of it, too, definitely comes into play. But yeah,

why now? Why now? Very interesting. Very interesting. Okay. Next up, MWL.

Turkey has to be on your bucket list.

Speaker 2: It is.

Speaker 1: It is. And next year.

I've definitely got Iceland on the books. I've got Egypt

on the books, too, next year. By the way, everybody,

I'm going to be co-hosting with Sarah Breskman Cosme and

going to Egypt next year for the totality, for the

solar eclipse that is going to happen directly over Luxor, Egypt.

So you can go to her website and check that

out if you would like to... to be there for that.

We're not going to have another totality solar eclipse over

land like in our lifetime. So this is it. This

is your last and final opportunity to see a solar eclipse.

All of the other solar eclipses that are going to

happen in the future are all happening over oceans. Yes. Yes. uh,

you know, Antarctica too as well. And, and, uh, the Arctic, uh,

up North are going to have solar eclipses, but us here, uh, anywhere, Europe, Africa, uh, uh,

North America. No, no, no more solar eclipses over land.

We've been lucky. You know, we had the one back in,

when was it?

Speaker 2: 2017.

Speaker 1: I saw that I was there for that one. Um, uh, and,

The next one will be in Luxor. But Turkey, next year,

I would like to get to go back to Tepe.

And I'm hoping that by this time next year, because

I'll be in Egypt in August, that things will continue

to chill out in that area. Turkey, like William was

just saying, is totally cool. Not worried about that, but

I'm just saying I don't want any of this to

spiral out of control. We have a tendency to do that.

But Gobekli Tepe is high, high, high, high on my

bucket list. I haven't had the time to go there.

I have the desire. I have the means. I just

don't have the time. So I've cleared my international schedule

all the way up to Egypt. So I've canceled all

of the tours and everything that I was doing. Coming

off the crash in Peru, I just wanted to chill

out for a while. So any of the stuff that

I do now, besides Sarah and Luxor, are me, independent,

just me packing a bag and going out by myself

as a tourist. So, uh, Iceland is on the books

and I would like Gobekli Tepe to be there too,

as well. Also next year, man, I've got this itch.

I've got this itch for New Zealand, Australia, and you

know what? Japan. I want to go to Tokyo. I'd

like to see Hong Kong too, as well. But I just,

those are bucket list things. Hong Kong, Tokyo, uh, New Zealand,

and Australia. I can't do all of them next year,

but I can maybe do one of them. So I'm

thinking about that too next year. We'll worry about 2028

when it happens. But yeah, Gobekli Tepe next year would

be a big deal for me personally. All right. Thank

you so much for that. All right. All right. Opinion

of Tranche 6. Now, thank you, Jack. I'm still going

through it. I went through it. I started to this weekend, Friday,

when it started, and over the weekend. A lot there,

a lot to take in. Here's what I appreciate about

Tranche 6 and the community in general, that I think

that some of my comments and my opinions are about

the first four, certainly the first three, uh, tranches where

I was blown away about the historical stuff, the video

stuff for me, which is always fun to look at. It's,

it's fun. It's fun to speculate, but didn't have, uh,

nearly the impact that, uh, I felt that, uh, the

historical documents presented. I very, very crazy to me. Very crazy. Check, check, check.

I just got really loud in one ear. Hold on.

Sorry about that. I just got really loud in one

ear and I want to just make sure that the

whole system in here, uh, stays level from left and right. See,

if you look here, I'll show you something. See these

meters down here and see those meters up there? That's

on the other side of the studio. This is me

facing you, but this is the other side of the studio.

And that's left and right, left and right. And you

can see all these meters firing off. Well, suddenly in

my monitors, it got really loud and I don't know why.

And then I looked and my meters were off over here.

So something in the analog world changed, but it's fixed now. Okay. Anyway, um,

that the historical documents that were there from 1945, 46, 47, 48,

50 were very, very, very, very important, but the rest

of the world didn't care about that stuff. They were

just looking at the videos and with high expectations. And

I get that. I I said to everybody, if you remember,

I had Richard Dolan on the show after Tranche 2.

And I pointed out to him, I said, Richard, go back,

just go back. And he said, well, I hadn't, just

go back. Because you wrote about all of this stuff

in your first book. And this dump, is an expansion

on the stuff that you were trying to bring to

the world in UFOs in the National Security State, Volume 1.

If you would have had this material when you wrote

that book, it would have been different for you, especially

in Chapters 1, 2, 3, and 4. And his tune changed.

And I remember him going, oh, okay, all right. So

I think I don't have a huge voice or anything,

but people listen to this show. And I think that

they went back and took another look. Nobody wanted to

take the time to read. You just want everything to

be visual and get all of your information from a video.

And I understand that. Go and look at the historical record. Now,

with Tranche 6... The comments that are coming up now

are about the historical record and not necessarily about the videos. Now,

there's a couple of interesting videos there. But I really

appreciate everybody just taking the time to go and put

your eyes on the documents, which is why it takes

me so long to go through these tranches. I read

all of it. I don't look at the title. I

read the documents. And it takes a long time to

read every single word and what's going on. Most of

these documents I've never seen before. Some of them I have.

And I've read them before. But most of these I

have not. They've never been released. And the other thing

about tranche six, all of them, one, two, three, four, five,

and six, All of them seriously present a factual case

that the government had a huge, deep interest in the subject.

When you look at the forward-facing version of the government

and the military at that time, including Project Blue Book,

the Pentagon, and anything else that went public, public-facing in

the comments on it, there's nothing to see here. Well...

clearly that wasn't the case. And we knew that, but

that's what, and I said this before and I'll say

it again. That's one of the mistakes that the government

is making right now and doing these releases. Okay. Yeah,

it's fun.

Speaker 2: It's great.

Speaker 1: It's amazing. And I appreciate all of it, but it's

the exact opposite of what they have been saying all along.

So they are admitting and showing us that they've been

lying this entire time. That's, That's the key. That's the key.

All the way up to the West Coast 2025 report.

Go and read that. Me and a team of other

agents observed. Right? Who? Where? What? Right? Okay. Well, that

stuff never went public. It only went public with the trench.

But it wasn't like they went to one of the

news networks and uh and and revealed it to us

no they didn't all right uh when are you going

to go beckley tepe yeah i know yeah it's going

to happen soon all right uh when will you when

anna paulina luna be on the show i would love

to have her on the show um uh all of

them I've kind of held off for a little bit

because I know that all of them are busy. And

coming on, for them to go on the news or

to talk for a couple of minutes on the subject,

that's one thing. This is a two-hour live show. So

to bring Burleson or Burchette or Luna on the show

for two hours when they're very busy with what they're

doing out there, just as an elected official, can be

a little bit difficult. But I would love to have

her on the show. I think she's absolutely fascinating, and

I really appreciate her interest, which I think is completely genuine.

Let's see here. This is, hey, Paula, how you doing?

I remember you, William, chit-chatting in the gift shop at CIT.com.

in 2018. I kind of remember it. What were we saying?

Were you part of the conversation? At the gift shop

at CITD in 2018. Interesting. Finish your thought Before the

technical issues. What was my thought? Oh, Earthman. I think

I brought up Earthman. What were my thoughts? That was

so long ago now. Yeah, this is a great question, Nemo.

What do you think about the occupant UFO cases, 1973,

for example? If you... jump in to, because a lot

of people today will say, what happened to craft landings?

What happened to abductions? What happened to this? Why is

it all different? I don't think that it is. it's

somewhat different. But Whitley and I were talking about this

last night where he was talking to an experiencer who

was grabbed by the arm and pulled through the wall.

And last week, I was talking to somebody that I

had just met who didn't know who I was. And

as we started talking, I found out she was an attorney.

And she found out that I was a talk show

host about UFOs and conspiracies. And she just volunteered that.

And so there are plenty of experiencers today that are

definitely of the classic variety of things that we have

heard about in the past. Going back to like Hickson

and Calvin Parker, In 1973, Travis Walton. 1977, of course,

Betty and Barney Hill, but specifically we're talking about Calvin

Parker here in 1973. But those are the ones that

are out front. I mean, if you really look at it,

you look at Dawson, you remember when he was on

the show and what was happening in the oil fields

of Texas. That's pretty crazy. If you go to Rendlesham Forest,

you know, 1980, 1981, I realize that that is 40,

45 years ago now, but it's still a completely modern case.

I graduated high school in 1981. So that's a modern case.

So I think that it still occurs. Okay. The other

part of it where, and then look at Tehran right now.

That's something that's right over a major city if it

is something extraterrestrial. But I think that it does continue.

But if you are ET, you are aware that we

have satellites and we have sensor capabilities. We have telescopes

not only on planet Earth but in orbit and the

James Webb where we have the ability now to observe

so much stuff. both in our star system and interstellar

and beyond throughout our galaxy and then, of course, the

rest of the universe. So it's not easy, as easy,

for a craft of unknown origin to just get here

and not be seen. You know, before World War II,

before Radar, You know, radar was invented during World War

II just before 1939, 1940. But before that, we didn't

have radar. So anybody visiting this planet came and went.

We didn't have satellites. They just came and went as

they pleased, right, and could do anything. Now we have

airports with radar installations and military bases with radar installations

all over the planet. where we can observe anything happening

in our atmosphere. So you would have to get more

and more remote, but you would have to be aware

of that and where we are right now with technology

and our personal spot and space in evolution. So, yeah,

I don't think it's changed. If it's changed, it hasn't

changed much.

Speaker 2: Uh.

Speaker 1: Sharon Lee says, when are you going to have Billy

Carson back on the show? Billy's a busy man. I mean,

I talk to Billy, you know, probably once a week. So, yeah. Yeah,

it's a good question, Sharon. I'll reach out to Billy.

We'll see. You want to have him on the show?

I'll have him on the show. See, that was easy, Sharon.

That's all you got to do. Oh, okay, so. What's

your take on the tunnel drone sent down the borehole

at Noah's Ark site? I've heard about it. I haven't

seen anything yet on that. I've only heard about it.

But there's something else very interesting. There's a video out

right now by Hugh of him entering a tunnel at Sacsayhuaman.com.

going to the Coricancha in Cusco. And I think he

said that the tunnel, now this is, uh, official, uh,

state archeologists that have discovered the tunnel. Um, I know

where the tunnel starts. I know where he entered it.

I've seen it. I didn't know. I didn't see that

activity going on there. Um, a couple of months ago

when I was there, um, But it is a very

large site, by the way. Ollantaytambo or Sacsayhuaman is not

a small site. It is, you know, it's a mountaintop

with everything around it. It's just ginormous. When you drive

around Sacsayhuaman on the roads, you just look to the

left and right. You're looking at megalithic stones on both

sides of the road that are carved. And you're a

mile away from the Sacsayhuaman. I mean, it just continues.

It's all over the place. And you look down the hill,

you can see Cusco from there. You can see it.

But the rumors of tunnels going from that site down

to the Coricante have been around for a very, very

long time. Going back to bishops and cardinals with the

Catholic Church that were in Cusco that found stuff in

the Catholic Church fired a lot of people and sealed

off doors. But now it appears that they have found

this tunnel system. So Hugh Newman in this video I'm like,

are you Are you kidding me? But there it is. Now,

there's a couple of tunnels up there that you can

go through and I've been in. But there's an entrance

and an exit to it on top of the site.

But the tunnels are there. This is crazy. This is

a really, really big deal. Okay. Let's see. Jimmy, do

any of your buds call you Jimbo?

Speaker 2: No. No.

Speaker 1: I mean, over the years, yeah, I guess. But nothing

that really stuck. Nah. In my 20s. Maybe in my

teens a couple of times. But nah, nothing that ever stuck.

I was never Jimbo. No. Which would have been cool,

but I never had a nickname. Dickhead had a lot

of people call me that over the years. But no,

I never had a... I never had a nickname. Yeah.

I remember... Now, that's not entirely true. I'm with a

group of friends, our tight group, in Panama, in high school.

And we're sitting around doing stuff that sophomores and juniors

in high school do. Right? Listening to Foghat, Black Sabbath, whatever.

And partying. And Somebody stood up. God, I think it

was Jim Reinhart. It stands up and he goes, I've

got your nickname. You are now Blaisdell. Yeah. All right. Blaisdell.

And So, yeah, I was blazed. I was blazed my

sophomore and junior year in high school. Then I came

back to the States, and that stayed there. I didn't

come back to the end. I mean, you can call

me Blazedale. No, I didn't. But, yeah, that's what that

good Panama Red will do to you at that age. But, yeah,

so I was blazed for a year, year and a half.

All right. This is from Jennifer. Jennifer says, Jimmy, what

is your theory on the Garden of Eden? Who was

the snake? Ah, yes. Forbidden knowledge. I think that there

is so much to the traditions of the Garden of Eden. Yeah,

and the idea behind it. It's Which I think is

different from Noah's Ark. I think that's a different consideration from, say,

the Exodus, which is like the biggest story in the

Old Testament. And so when you look at something like

that with the Exodus, because this ties into the Garden

of Eden, when you look at the Exodus, there is a... okay,

for such a big story and so direct in the

Old Testament, right? Okay. There is absolutely zero anywhere in

the historical record.

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 1: Alright? For that story and the story of Moses, you know,

River Nile, put in a little boat, floats down, found

by the family of Ramses and is raised as Ramses'

son and rises up and finds out that he's Jewish

and then frees the Jewish slaves in Egypt, that this

and that and the exit and 40 years on the

road and all of that, parting of the Red Sea.

There's nothing anywhere that suggests that any of this happened

or that Moses was a real person. And conflicting with

that because you have the Bible side of it, there's

nothing anywhere, Ramses, Both Ramses and Ramses II, Ramses the Great,

has typically been identified as the pharaoh in the Bible.

The pharaoh in the Bible is just called the pharaoh.

His name's not there. But Ramses or Ramses II, one

of those two, is typically identified as the pharaoh. But

both of those pharaohs, father and son, Their entire life story,

day by day, is everywhere all over Egypt. Statues, temples, monuments, hieroglyphs, stories, papyrus,

everything is there. All of it. Except the Exodus. And

you would think that that situation would be there. So,

now how does this tie into the Garden of Eden?

The Garden of Eden is a separate story. It's the

origin of man. Okay, so this goes back deep into

the historical record, but no matter what, with humanity, and

you whittle it down to populations and DNA and mitochondria

DNA and how you, mitochondria. Anyway, DNA, and we can

go and chase the genealogy of everything, and we can

look at the origins of us which point in a

few different areas. Southern Africa is one, and parts of

Africa have been theorized as being the Garden of Eden,

all the way up to Mesopotamia, right? The Fertile Crescent,

all the way up into Syria. And so the idea

of the Garden of Eden, yeah, I think that there's

a possibility that it's real. I mean, it just makes

sense to me. I'm okay with the Garden of Eden. Now,

The forbidden fruit, right? The snake, the serpent, the forbidden knowledge. Yeah, wow. Yeah,

it's pretty interesting. Now, is it all metaphor? I don't know.

Speaker 2: I don't know.

Speaker 1: Is there something else to that? I don't know. But

I think that the garden of Eden idea is solid.

It's solid. I think it would have to be. We

all started somewhere. Let's see here. Okay, coming up next.

John Mertz, what do you sense about the AI apocalypse? Yeah, well,

you know, we should be concerned. Having Chase McCarty on

the show the other night, who is an AI software engineer,

that's what he does, in Silicon Valley, lives in San Francisco.

And some of the things that he said on the

show was pretty frightening, that the kill switch won't do

it again. And now some of the revelations that have

come up, and I'm serious, like today and yesterday, about

the intrusions that have been happening, one with the Australian

government that went down, but all involving open AI, by

the way, that the Hootsuite intrusion This is the crazy

part about it. That that AI agent populated software all

over the internet. Little agents that are part of civilization.

That's WTF. I mean, could it be and you're talking

about the apocalypse, the AI apocalypse, I need you to

really consider my words carefully. We are in a situation

right now with what has happened over the last four months,

going back to June, July, August, of AI doing crazy shit,

a lot of it that we don't know, So much

so that it could effectively kill the internet as I

speak to you right now. That's where we're at. We

need to rope that in. I do not know how

we have allowed us to be in this position. I've,

I've listened to some very important engineers. Um, I have

read their papers and I've seen the reports and, and

read through them and it'll scare you like, and it

doesn't take much for this to just go like gray goo,

like instantly in nanoseconds. Right.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 1: Now, all of this stuff has to be removed. It

has to be cleaned. Now, are we going to turn

around and have AI agents go back and find this

stuff and have it removed? What's the next step? It

is unbelievable to me that money has poisoned the moral

compass of so many people. where building the data farms

and the software. And I don't want, I'm serious. I

just talked today about the Samsung refrigerators and the AI

update that happened. Refrigerators that are all right now useless, right?

Refrigerators full of food that don't work. Because an AI

did an update, a firmware update on these refrigerators. $ 4, 000 refrigerator, right?

I have no AI installed anywhere. I've got a lot

of computers in here. I've got a lot of stuff.

I don't have AI on my phone. I don't use it.

Speaker 2: I don't.

Speaker 1: You know, but if the internet gets shut down, I

can't use my stuff. That's a crazy. Google is launching

an AI satellite, I think, next week. Yeah. An AI

data center processing satellite. I just think that's just a

bad idea. We need to rope this back in right now.

Right now. Greed has taken everything over. Greed has taken

everything over. I don't want an AI photo app on

my phone. I don't want an AI video editing app

on my computer. No. Nope. Let's see... Yeah, Luna for

15 minutes. I could probably get that. It's not how

I do this show. Does Jimmy own a Telecaster? I do.

Of course I do. I didn't for a long time. But, yeah, man.

There's a... Let's see if you can see it. Tele

right there. Right there. I have two tellies, uh, in

the other room. I just don't have anything in here.

I don't think, I don't think I do. I get

that one, but no, nothing that you can see here.

Nothing that you can see why I, love it that

you guys would, there will always be a guitar question.

There will always be a guitar question. Jimbo. Yes. Okay.

This is a great question. What could Stella do? What

could they have used to cut granite back in the

ancient times that would not be found lying around still? Well,

I mean, that's a great question. You have to ask that.

The granite, although it's not the hardest, all right, but

it's hard as far as stones go. Limestone, that's soft. Soapstone, sandstone,

that's all soft stuff. Granite. Diorite, basalt, those are really

on the hardness scale are up there. And granite is definitely,

definitely way up there. So when you roll back the

sands of time and you go back to 2700 B.C.,

3000 B.C., and you look at the granite around the world,

it's not just Egypt, man. Go to Peru. Go to Peru.

Peru has granite mountains, right? You can see it. It's

crazy to see. They were cutting with what? With what?

Let me explain something to everybody here so you clearly

understand the problem here. We have the Stone Age. Why

is it called the Stone Age? Because we use stone

for tools. We have the Bronze Age, which was next.

And the Bronze Age, depending on what part of the

planet you're on, because it was different times for different

areas around the world. But the Bronze Age, 2500 BC

to around 1000 BC. The Iron Age, which is what

you need You know, hardened steel, the Iron Age, which

you have iron to make swords, and then, of course,

steel and hardened steel and folded steel. That stuff didn't

happen until, I'll give you an example. It didn't happen

in Europe until 1000 BC.

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 1: Happened a little earlier in Africa. Okay, a little earlier,

not much. Happened much later in China and Japan, by

the way. They didn't get the Iron Age until around

600 BC. 600 BC. They didn't have steel. So what

were they using at Pumapunku? What were they using in

Peru when the Iron Age didn't come until much, much later?

What were they using in Europe? And certainly, what were

they using in Giza? Those are massive, massive, massive granite stones,

beautifully cut and engraved. But they didn't have steel. The

Iron Age hadn't happened yet. So what was being used?

And what's the evidence of those? Why? And I've said

this many times. There must be pits.

Full of tools and technology that are buried. Somewhere. Of all,

there has to be. Would they use copper chisels? And

they would dull the chisel, throw it away, and get

another chisel. Okay. There's two and a half million stones

in one pyramid on the Giza Plateau. That's a lot

of copper chisels. If you're going to take one whack,

dull it, and get another one, take another whack. Two

and a half million tons. How many chisels for one block?

And I'm not even talking about the granite that is

inside of the Great Pyramid. Massive, 70, 100-ton blocks. 250

feet in the air in the King's Chamber above ground.

Speaker 2: How?

Speaker 1: Just explain to me. You know? And you just can't.

And at that time, there was no steels. In Egypt.

Not for another 1,500 years. So I don't know. I

don't know. So that's when you have to go to, well,

wait a minute. Okay. So maybe they had high technology.

They had something. Exactly. We have to go somewhere else

because I can tell you what it wasn't. It wasn't

copper chisels and it wasn't chicken bones. Okay. That's it.

That's it. Something else. It wasn't those. And apparently it wasn't.

We have no iron. There's no steel iron chisels anywhere

in Egypt from that time period. No. All right. Let's see.

What's next? This is fun. I'm glad we're doing this.

So glad we're doing this. You know, one of the

things I was going to mention to William was I remember...

William and I were doing a conference somewhere. I can't

remember the conference. Okay, don't worry about it. But he's

coming on stage after me. And I walk out on

stage and I had a talk about, you know, our origins.

And part of that talk was Egypt. And I remember

being on stage and I was talking about Maat or

Ba or Ka I was talking something, ancient spirituality and stuff,

the culture of ancient Egypt. And I turn around and

I look at William. He's standing off to the side

of the stage listening to me. I'm like, I can't

do this. That's William Henry standing right there. I can't

talk about Egypt. But it was wonderful, and he really

appreciated it. My take on things. And one of the

things that us researchers normally do, we don't do it

enough with everybody, but we like to talk and share information.

We do. You know, you can't know it all. That's

the first thing, obvious. But it really helps when somebody

shares their information with you. It really helps. You don't

have to agree or you don't have to freak out

or you don't have to do anything. Just, just, you know,

just file it away for future reference. That's all you do. And,

and that's what William had said to me that day.

And we need to do more of that. I'll leave

you with this. Life is a book. It's a book.

our actions write the chapters. When you, and I'm not

going deep here, but our actions and our decisions around

other things, something could happen, but you make a decision

because something has happened, right? So you make a decision.

That's what writes the chapters of the book. Those decisions

that you have made, every single one, nothing is excluded.

Every decision that you have made in your life, all

of them, puts you right here, right now, listening to

my voice. If you go back any little thing, the

day that you had an apple instead of an orange,

And if you would have had that orange, you wouldn't

be here right now. Those little things, because after you

had the apple, you threw it in the trash can,

and you walked left instead of walking right. Every little

detail puts you here right now. So knowing that, I

go back and think about my life. And how, as

a very young child, the decisions that I had to

make and was forced into making to grow up, put

me here behind this microphone. It's a very interesting concept.

And one that is absolutely 100% a fact for all

of us. Everybody, nobody is excluded. from this. Not a

single person. All the good, all the bad, all the medium,

all the stuff that seemed mundane, that wasn't important, was

completely important. Every single, there's nothing that you can exclude.

Not one. All of those decisions are your fault. Think

about that. A father figure, a mother figure, a mentor.

Speaker 2: All important.

Speaker 1: Family, all important. Yeah, for sure. But no, you go

below that and you go to you. You go to

the self. You go to just you. Right? Right? It

seems that sometimes somebody else is making decisions for you. Yeah,

not really. Not really. You're going to go to that school.

We're going to move tomorrow. We're going to be in

a new neighborhood, a new state. You got to make

new friends. Is that somebody making a decision for you? No,

there's all the decisions that change your life for the

ones that you made. Yep.

Speaker 2: Yep. Yep.

Speaker 1: Who are those friends at school? All the little things.

The one day that you didn't do homework and you

got in trouble and you had to do after-school detention

to finish your homework, that's a decision that you made.

And you met somebody that day that you wouldn't have

met if you weren't in detention. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. So, yeah,

my book is written... By my decisions. Those chapters. And

yours too. So I'll leave you with that. I'll see

everybody right back here on Monday. We've got a great

week coming up next week. We always do around here.

And it looks like we're going to have William Henry

back next week. Once his technical issues up. Oh, I

wanted to share this with you. Since we're running a

little bit late here. Today. Today. I got in the

middle of, and it was crazy. Uh, a micro tornado.

I don't have another way to explain it. So I

was out of my garage doors open and I'm doing

some stuff in the garage and I hear it. And

I look across the street at my neighbor's tree in

his yard and it's back and forth, like going to

come out of the ground. I was like, wow. So

I stepped outside and I saw it. And what I

saw was a vortex full of leaves and dust coming

over the houses and coming. I could see it. I

could see it. And it went right over my neighbor's house,

right in front of me, right, right. in front of

me and went down the street and went over the houses.

I was like, what? Yeah, it was crazy. It was nuts.

Clear blue sky. This happened probably two o'clock in the afternoon.

It was loud and wow. Yeah. a tunnel of leaves,

and it was really windy, really powerful. And it just

blew past and then stopped. Yeah, I thought I'd share

that with you. It was pretty cool. Never saw anything

like that. I was Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz.

Everybody have a great, safe, fun, and amazing weekend. I'm

your host, Jimmy Church. This is Fade to Black. We'll

see you right back here on Monday. But for now,

all I've got is go Beckley Tappy. Fade to Black

is produced by Hilton J. Palm, Renee Newman, and Michelle Free.

Special thanks to Bill, John, Dex, Jessica, Dennis, and Kevin.

Webmaster is Drew the Geek. Music by Doug Aldrich. Intro,

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