FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: William Henry
Tonight, author, researcher and TV host/producer William Henry joins us to talk about his recent trip to Gobekli Tepe!!!
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This week on Fade to Black. What a great week.
Monday night, Patricia Corey was here. CERN and our shifting realities.
Tuesday night, an amazing conversation with Chase McCarty, remote viewing
and AI. Pretty cool to have an AI team leading
software engineer from San Francisco. Working for one of the
big ones up there to come on this show and
speak about those things. Absolutely incredible. Last night, Whitley Streber
was here. Oh, he's great. Whitley lit it up last night.
He always does. And if you're going to do it properly,
you do it how we do it around here. You
wrap up the week with the one and only William Henry.
And go back, Lee Tappy. That's what you do. That's
what you do, man. If you can do it, that's
what you do. I posted this up in the chat.
I knew this. I wanted to get William on the
show a little bit ago. And he was at Go
Beckley Tappy. And I said, okay, well, William, that's fine. Michelle,
that's fine. But as soon as you get back and
he's back and he's with us tonight. Uh, yeah, we
haven't done a Gobekli Tepe show in, in quite a while,
considering we used to do one, uh, you know, once
a week, twice a week, uh, for years. It is
absolutely incredible. So we're going to cover all of that
tonight and find out what he learned and what he saw,
what he discovered, how he feels and all of that.
So tonight it's all Gobekli Tepe all the time. We'll
get some other stuff in. We always do because it's
William Henry. He's, uh, an amazing author. investigative mythologist, and
of course, a TV presenter. And he is, I almost
said spiritual leader, the spiritual side of consulting and producing
over at Ancient Aliens, amongst other things. And of course,
he's with me over on Gaia. And with that, I
would like to welcome back to Fade to Black, the
one and only William Henry. He's right there. Welcome back.
Good evening, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thank you. And you are welcome. I
heard a little bit of an echo, so if you
could turn your speakers down. Yeah, we didn't have that
during sound check. I don't know what's going on. But
that doesn't matter, William. We'll work on it on our
end as well. Okay? Okay, thank you. Oh, man. Go
Beckley Tappy. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.
So let me ask you this, William. You and I
love Egypt, and I talk about Egypt all the time,
and so do you. I'm reminded of when Zahi Haywas. Oh, man,
that echo is out of control. Shit. I just said
a bad word. Yeah, don't switch. Don't. Just turn it down.
Because if you edit the mic settings on your end,
it will change what we are working on over here. Okay.
It's too loud. That's way too loud. Okay, better. Kind of.
We've got to figure it out.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay. It reminds me of when Zahi Haywas got in
that little tip that was videoed with Graham Hancock when
he said, what is this Gobekli Tepe that you speak of?
I've never heard of it. That's not the case, is it?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's really not. I mean, that was
really quite a dramatic scene. And I'm sure Zahi would
love to have a mulligan.
Speaker 1: On that one and have that back.
Speaker 2: But I think he was talking straight. He didn't really
know what Gobekli Tepe was or the the importance of
the discovery of this temple site, if we want to
call it that, that predates Stonehenge, rivals the pyramids in importance,
and demonstrates some very important facts about our prehistory, that
we had the ability to create structures like this even
before we invented writing, before there was civilization as we
know it today, certainly. And so it's ground zero for
all the ancient mysteries on our planet right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I think I just figured out the problem.
Tap on your mic. Yeah, your mic's off. Okay. What? Yeah,
that's the problem. Okay, so don't worry about your mic. William,
as quickly as you can, go to the bottom of
the screen and click on that sprocket, and that'll bring
up audio.
Speaker 2: Okay, one moment. Let me find that sprocket.
Speaker 1: I'm going to apologize to everybody here. It's at the very,
very bottom in the menu bar. Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2: I don't have any control on my screen here. Oh,
there's the sprocket.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay, click on audio, and then there's your mic.
Hit the drop-down menu and select your microphone. Okay, very good.
Thank you, Jimmy. See, kids these days. Kids these days, William.
What am I supposed to do? These kids.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm totally with you. It's so basic.
Speaker 2: It's fundamental.
Speaker 1: I was like, we just had a great sound check.
Everything is fine. And then it just went wonky. I
was like, what's this echo?
Speaker 2: Oh, man.
Speaker 1: Okay. Reset. Reset. Let's just do a harder reset. William,
welcome to the show. How are you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm great, Jimmy. Thank you so much. So good to
hear your voice.
Speaker 1: It's so good to hear yours, William. But yeah, and
that's the whole point, I think, what Gobekli Tepe has
given all of us. And it's this. So much attention paid, deservedly,
to Egypt and Mesopotamia, even Stonehenge, or different megaliths, Peru,
for instance. But Gobekli Tepe comes along and completely flips
everything over. Everything that we were taught, everything that history says, archaeology, anthropology,
everything just suddenly flips over. And it still isn't the
global phenomenon that it deserves. Are you surprised by that?
Speaker 2: Gosh, I really am, Jimmy. Having done I think I'm
doing my 35th tour of Egypt in October, another few
weeks here, October 20th through 31st. So I'm very familiar
with Egypt and that experience. Turkey is yet a whole
layer above that. It delivers the big wow repeatedly. I mean,
you are just embraced by a culture that is so ancient,
so relative, so important, but yet so underappreciated in a way.
And a lot of the Turks that I would talk
with say, wow, we really want to bring more people here.
We want to help people see the magnificence of Turkey.
And boy, I saw it. I experienced it. And I
cannot wait to get back from Istanbul through Ephesus, Cappadocia,
San Leofa, Gobekli Tepe. The whole experience is so just
simply mind-blowing. And Just such a beautiful feeling place. The
people are so kind and wonderful and open. The culture,
the city's super clean, modern. The whole experience was just truly,
truly special.
Speaker 1: So what sticks out? You're such an experienced traveler and writer.
And just looking at stuff, opening up your eyes and
asking questions. You're really good at that. It's your gig,
by the way. Don't change it. But what sticks out
for you with Gobekli Tepe? Well, for me, I've.
Speaker 2: Been called to Gobekli Tepe for a long time. Going
back to my 2012 book, The Judgment Day Device, I
was tracking the Edomasea, the throne of Christ. And my
research suggested that maybe Edessa, ancient Edessa, the blessed city,
modern day of San Leofa, 10 miles from Gobekli Tepe,
was that actual site where it might have been, the
throne of Christ might have been taken. We know the
Shroud of Turin was taken there in the third or
fourth century. And it just struck me, the proximity to
Gobekli Tepe, knowing the importance of that site, even, what
was it now, 14 years ago, 2012, we were just
almost only 15 years into the revelation of the existence
of this place. And here we are, talking about a
repository in San Leofa for some of the greatest relics
in human history. And it suggested to me that intuitively
there had to be an understanding in biblical times, the
time of Jesus, of knowledge of the existence of Gobekli Tepe,
and that that answers why Edessa rose as this really
incredible place of not only a fortified place as a repository,
but also as a place of emergence of some really,
truly incredible works. Ephraim the Syrian, the Revelation of the Magi,
this incredible story about the Magi that inspired my current
journey to Turkey. It's all right there, and it's such
a layer cake that you really have to It's going
to take me a little bit of time actually to
process all that we experienced while we were there.
Speaker 1: It's literally a layer cake. It's not metaphor. And we
have to scratch our heads and just think, okay, what
else is to be discovered at Gobekli Tepe? We know
that there's more there. But then we knew it was
going to happen. Now, there's so many teppies that are
being discovered right around Gobekli Tepe. And the last three
that have been discovered and they're working on now are
much older than Gobekli Tepe. Yeah, it's pretty crazy, isn't it?
Speaker 2: It really is. You know, when I was there this
past summer, I was invited up to a very exclusive
private camp in Northern California. This is an overall camp that, again,
it's a place where boys go to become men. It's, again,
invitation only. It's a major camp that separated itself into
125 separate camps. And by camps, I mean these are
places where it's very rustic. It's in Northern California. Each
camp is you've got a chef, you've got a bar.
You got amazing conversation. And when I was at Gobekli Tepe,
I kept thinking back to my experience this past summer
at this camp, thinking that Gobekli Tepe struck me as
a place where we know one, for example, it's highly speculative,
but it's widely believed that they were drinking psychoactive beer
at Gobekli Tepe. It originated at Gobekli Tepe. And it
had the feeling to me of this camp, like these
tepes were just the parallel version of the camps where
you would go and you would be drinking the beer.
You'd be in these highly mystical settings. It's a place
where there's all this otherworldly imagery. You've got a circular
encampment with these pillars, the tea pillars. You've got this
strange symbolism, foxes and so forth on these pillars. You've
got a campfire in the middle. It's an enclosed space
that you're, you're in. And it just felt to me
like this was a place where people came to celebrate
that transition from boyhood to manhood, that this was a
place where you came to be with the big boys
and learn ultimately the secrets of the universe. And you
would leave from this experience transformed.
Speaker 1: What do you... That's amazing. I like the parallels there,
connecting the dots. Because... Let's actually stay right there for
a second. That appears to be exactly, I don't know
if we should consider it like maybe a school, and
those are classrooms, right? I like that. Yeah, yeah. Ceremonial, possibly. Cosmic, cosmic.
For sure. Yeah, yeah. But what we don't see at
Gobekli Tepe is, is angst and war right now yeah
completely missing so it seems that it was something it
was a place that was very very special the idea
of it being deliberately buried would only add to that
you know to preserve it but uh i like what
you're saying you know everybody gathering you know you got
socrates in the middle you got the breakout classrooms you
know what i mean Yep.
Speaker 2: They're drinking that psychoactive beer. They're seeing things. They're connecting.
They're connecting dots within their own consciousness. And that's the
feeling I got. It was clearly the highlight of our journey.
Everybody on the tour could not wait to get to
Gobekli Tepe. And what was fun is that when we arrived,
they normally have you take a bus to It's about,
I don't know, a half a mile up a, not
a very steep incline from the visitor center up to
Gobekli Tepe. And it was going to be like a
20 minute wait. So we just decided to walk it
and it ended up being the most beautiful procession up
the pathway with fields of gold on either side. Sting
song was, I literally brought it up on my phone.
And as we processed up to Gobekli Tepe, we, We
had some beautiful ladies that were with us. They were
spreading rose petals along our path. It was very ceremonial.
It was very sacred. It was very intentional. We were
going back to the place of origins. We had talked
about the plains of Haran, which are nearby, which is
where Adam and Eve came through the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 1: Abraham. Abraham.
Speaker 2: Abraham.
Speaker 1: A couple blocks away, right?
Speaker 2: A couple blocks away, the pools of Abraham. You are
in the original setting of This is the emergence, the
origin point for the human race. And it has this
completely other dimensional feel. You almost feel like you're in
the holodeck on the Starship Enterprise because everything is just
fields of gold as far as the eye can see.
And what was fascinating, Jimmy, is that, again, we didn't
take the bus. We walked up this processional pathway. And
then we, of course, walked back down. And I noticed
a couple dolmens on either side of this pathway. And
I asked our guide about it. And her response was,
what dolmens? It's like, here's my pictures. These are dolmens
on either side of this pathway. And my point is,
is not to disparage the guide. It's just that they usually,
this is like flyover territory. You know, you want to
get past this half mile of processional walkway. To get
to Gobekli Tepe, you're not even thinking about what you're
experiencing along the way. But it's just the entire setup
of it is just magnificent from a processional point of view,
from the perspective of a visitor arriving and knowing. they're
stepping out of the ordinary world into a very extraordinary place.
It's like, as you can well remember, the first time
you go inside the pyramid. When you approach the Giza Plateau,
for example, it's as magnificent and as almost overwhelming as
that when you start to factor in the history of
what's there and the meaning of this place.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm so jealous, man. So jealous.
Speaker 2: Um.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time you and I cross the street together,
you're going to turn to me and go, Church, I'm
going to take you to Gobekli Tepe. You want to go?
Speaker 2: Gobekli Tepe. Yeah, Gobekli Tepe.
Speaker 1: We're going. Now, I want to live this vicariously through you.
So let me ask you this. You are at a
place that is not speculated about its age in that
we have a definitive– 12,000-year age that is put on
it going back to around 10,000, 10,500 B.C. That right
there must be insane to observe. And you've been doing
this for a very long time. How do you compare
your past experiences walking in truly megalithic stuff to something
that is that old?
Speaker 2: Well, let's compare it to the approach to the Great
Pyramid Complex, to the Giza Plateau. You and I know
it's much older than Egyptology suggests, than 2400 BC or
whatever number they give. We could agree on probably 10,000
BC for the pyramids. We might even be able to
agree on 50,000 years old. But it's not verified. Gobekli
Tepe is 100% verified. Not open to speculation here. Not
open to speculation. There's no question. You're at the bedrock
of the human dating system as far as we know
it in terms of creating complexes like this. And then
on top of that, at the Sandley Urfa Museum, you
get to go come face-to-face with Urfa Man.
Speaker 1: We're getting ahead of our skis. Of course, I'm going
to circle back to Urfa Man. For sure.
Speaker 2: But I'm just kind of setting, putting him in the
context here that it's not just one site. It's artifacts
that are also, we know, absolutely that old. And it's
difficult for our mind to grasp that because we think
in terms of decades. We don't think in terms of millennia,
like 10 millennia separates us from the creators of Gobekli Tepe. Yet,
we intuitively know the understanding of the importance of it.
We want to connect with it. We don't want to
leave while we're there. There is something that is encoded
within those stones that is magnetic, that is attracting us
at a spiritual level, that is feeding us while we're there.
Just being in the presence of it was truly, truly
a very soft, if I might say that, spiritual experience.
It was a feeling like coming home.
Speaker 1: What's the state of the archaeology up there? Was it
busy or is there... a lack of activity.
Speaker 2: You know, in my experience, and I'm aware there's some controversy,
not controversy, but some contention, if you will, among some
in the alternative history community. They're wanting them to hit
the gas on the exploration there. I totally agree with that,
understand that. But at the same time, of all the
sites that we visited in Turkey, and we hit them all.
I mean, we were busy, busy just going around. Gobekli
Tepe was the one that was the best curated to me.
In other words, I feel like the Turkish people, the
Turkish government are committed to create an experience there for
the people, maybe not just for the alternative historians who
want more. There was very clearly signs of archaeological activity
all around us while we were there. And I can
see now... the difficulty that is facing this archaeological revelation.
Because I remember it's gone around in my head for
a while. They've speculated it's going to take generations to
reveal everything that is at Gobekli Tepe. And part of
my response was, well, how do they know that? I mean, LIDAR,
of course. We've got that that has shown us what's there.
But just it's not an entirely hospitable thing. environment for
archaeological exploration. I mean, it's literally, you know, this kind
of just open area that you can see for miles
and miles and miles. I mean, probably a hundred miles
off into the distance. And you can see that, wow,
it really is going to take some time to unveil
this place.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you this. This is just my observation,
but I want your thoughts on it. How lucky is Turkey?
Turkey inherited two unbelievable situations. Gobekli Tepe and Egypt. Right, right.
The Mamelukes, they were the government of Egypt when Napoleon
got there. They were sitting on Egypt. And now it's
Gobekli Tepe. I just want the audience to understand. Gobekli
Tepe is now in modern-day Egypt. I mean, modern-day Turkey.
And Turkey is only 600 years old. That was in
the Armenian highlands before that for millennia and millennia and millennia.
and what country and who it was. It wasn't the
Turkish ancestors that constructed this site. It's that old. Turkey
just inherited it. So I just want to be clear
so everybody understands. But the question is, how lucky is
Turkey to have both of these sites in their history?
Speaker 2: And I would turn it on its head and just say,
how lucky are we to have Turkey as a destination?
I mean, I literally can't wait to go back. We're
planning our 2027 expedition as we speak. The country is
phenomenally clean. It's gorgeous. The sights are amazing. The people
are absolutely incredible. The food is off the chart. Every
single moment that we experienced in Turkey was superlative in
every way. It is I mean, Egypt can be an
uphill grind for some people just because it's a third
world country. And there's things that make it a little
bit challenging for travelers. Like you can't drink the water.
Like you can't eat some of the food. In Turkey,
that is not an issue at all. We are drinking
water out of the tap every day. We are eating
everything that they serve. The food was incredibly fresh, all.
Speaker 1: Organic, superfood.
Speaker 2: Supremely delicious. I mean, the entire experience from beginning to end,
from the time you land into the airport in Istanbul,
you feel like you've landed on another planet as compared
to other airports around the world. And then just the
entire experience is just off the chart in all areas.
Speaker 1: Now, you're a symbolism guy. That's what you do. There
is enough symbolism in Gobekli Tepe to last us for generations.
But to have that type of relief work and artisan
stuff there, but it's all deliberate. So as you're looking
at the pillars, what's your takeaway? And was there something
specifically magical for you?
Speaker 2: Well, my takeaway was, I remember some of the 3D
art that's coming off some of the pillars. I'm thinking, gosh,
why don't we do that today in our homes? It's
so cool to have this 3D creature crawling down this pillar.
And for me, it was like a treasure hunt to, first,
you have to orientate yourself where you're at and you
have to realize what some of the enclosures are called
and then start to use your eye to train itself
to look at some of the specific symbolism that you
see on the pillars so you don't miss it. Because really,
it's like having, like, overseeing an entire forest. And then
you start to look at the individual trees because you're
really appreciating the beauty and the immensity and the meaning
of the forest itself. And so I spent a lot
of my time just trying to open to the space
rather than close in on specific symbolism. I would find
myself flip-flopping, of course, because your eye, you just can't
help but have your attention drawn to specific areas. First
of all, as you approach Gobekli Tepe, it's a circular structure.
And so you're walking around the structure. So at first,
you're getting one point of view, and then you're continually
changing your point of view as you go around the structure. And,
you know, again, for me, it wasn't so much trying
to connect to that ancient mind, because they're so divorced
from us. But at the same time, it was just
a moment of appreciation that This is being revealed to
us now for a reason. There is something more that
is there that is going to be coming out of
the ground and probably soon.
Speaker 1: What did you make of, I'm going to be specific
and then we can narrow it down, Enclosure D. We
read about it, we see the pictures, but now you
get to enter it for yourself. Take me through that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so one of the things was, one, the
size surprised me. It's smaller than I thought, for example.
I mean, these enclosures are enough for, you know, maybe
10 people or something like that to sit comfortably. If
they're arranged in a circle and there's indeed a campfire
that is in the center of the enclosure, which some
believe that there was, you can see that it's a
very intimate experience. whatever took place there, and that you
would cycle through from room to room to room. And this, again,
is what started me to think about this is like
an encampment. You're not meant to stay in one camp.
You're meant to go from camp to camp to camp
and have different conversations or ceremonies or experiences.
Speaker 1: The astrological possibilities there, did you take a chance? Did
you take a moment? to maybe possibly align yourself and
get a feel for those ideas? I did.
Speaker 2: I did there and also at Carahan Tepe. And what
threw me at Carahan was that the enclosures had roofs.
And so I wonder, how does it work exactly to
have the light on a particular day on the equinox,
for example, coming through into the enclosure? How does that
work when it's, when it's roofed? So I'm still working
through that one and have to, you know, again, go
back and hit the books and, and see how that,
that might be possible.
Speaker 1: Well, I've thought, oh man, I've talked so much about
Gobekli Tepe. I threw this out there originally, and everybody
that I've spoke to about the possibility of there being
roofs or structure above the enclosures was always shot down
and poo-pooed. But if you look to me, the T-pillars
all have those scoops, those holes on the top, which
looks to me like it was– you know, possibly rafters,
and then maybe something laid on top of it, whether
they're wood or stone. Everybody just, you know, walked away
from that idea. I think because people don't want a
roof there. They want the open sky. Right, right. Right,
but it looks to me like some of them may
have had roofs.
Speaker 2: I'm personally convinced that they did. That's what makes sense
as we're looking at it.
Speaker 1: Really? See, that's why I like you, William. See, you
got to think outside the box. It looks like, and
when you look at the way the T-pillars are laid out,
it just feels like something you would buy at Costco,
you know, some pergola for your backyard.
Speaker 2: Totally, totally, totally. You're really snug in that enclosure.
Speaker 1: It's roof.
Speaker 2: And it's completely dark in there except for the fire.
That sort of a feeling is what I'm getting. You're
not under the stars. You're not lining yourself up with stars.
I mean, at least in my experience. And again, I
am totally excited about hitting the books now that I've
been there. I made a conscious choice not to dive
too deeply into the experience. When I take people on
tours to Egypt, they always ask me, what book should
I read before I go? And I always tell them,
don't read anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because you're going to be muddled when you get there.
You're going to be trying to figure out where am
I and who's this and what's what. Feel it. Find
out what calls you. Then when you get home, then
you can hit the books. And then if a return
visit is appropriate, then do that. But I know for sure,
I can't wait to go back to go back to Tepe.
Speaker 1: I asked you one time, and I took your advice.
I asked you one time. This is many years ago.
I said, so William, What's the hot spot in Egypt?
Where's the place where you step in and your legs
start to vibrate? And what does it for you? And
you go, church, my answer is not going to be
your answer. It's going to find you. It's going to
come and find you. And you're absolutely right about that.
And so with Egypt, the things that I thought were
going to have an effect on me didn't. It was
the places that, right, when you least expect it. Exactly.
You know.
Speaker 2: That's what makes it so authentic, too. When it takes
you over like that unexpectedly, serendipitously, that's so real.
Speaker 1: It's so authentic. I have a couple of other thoughts
I'm going to save for after the– something upset me
the other day. I was– and people– Don't address this,
and certainly Egypt doesn't. They don't want people to know.
Is that– how do I say– I don't want to
say this the wrong way. When they built the Aswan Dam,
they moved a lot of stuff. And that stuff got
moved from its original sacred place. And I don't want
to be specific here. You understand what I'm talking about.
But you can't go up to an artificially created modern
situation and talk about how magnificently spiritual it is when
it's no different than, no different than, just going to
say it, man, Disneyland. It's a recreation. It's a recreation.
Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't want to
ruin the trip for other people, so I don't want
to get specific on sites. But you know exactly what
I'm talking about. I was watching this the other day,
and I was so disappointed that this person doesn't know.
You know what I mean? They're there, and they're excited
in the moment. What they don't realize was where you are,
that mountain behind you, was man-made.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Right. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? And
it's not advertised, is it? No, no.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is mentioned, but I mean, it is
part of the experience. And there is that element where
the mind makes the medicine. And I've seen it in
other places too, in Southern France. And I just, I
think I find it to be really pure and innocent.
So You know, it's that spirit that wants to have
that connection and wants to have that experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right. A hundred percent. Perception is half
of it. And if that's what you get out of it,
that's what you get out of it. That's fantastic. But
what I'm saying is it's not like one of the
tour guides walked up to the person that's shooting, you know,
the video going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We made this. Right. I don't want you to be misled. Right, right.
And I just saw that and I was just taken
aback a little bit. And, you know, I didn't know
until I found out. It wasn't like I read it
in a book or anything. I remember them moving. You
know what? I'm going to get off the subject. I
remember them moving those statues and the struggle that they
went through. And that, to me, is part of the
magic of it. Okay, so we struggled with cranes and
hydraulic jacks and welding and everything. And they messed it up, right?
It never aligned. They tried to get it pointed to
the sun. Well, then how did the Egyptians do it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. If we can't literally are struggling like this
with all the modern technology that we had, Well, then
why don't we just step back and analyze that? This
is our struggle with modern technology. Then shouldn't we really
take a serious look at how it was done in
ancient times?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean, there's a state of
the art that is still completely absent from our understanding
and represents really kind of a holy grail of archaeology
to be able to duplicate what the ancients could do
in all respects, not just in the sense of the hardware,
moving the stones, building the pyramids, but also in the software,
the spiritual transformation that went along with those temples. We're
in no way, shape, or form prepared to duplicate what
the ancients were able to do. But we're trying to
find out.
Speaker 1: Well, and then with everything, when we look at Gobekli Tepe,
ancient Egypt was modern. Compared to Gobekli Tepe. So then
you back up and you go, okay, well, okay, we
can struggle with Giza. Okay, we can struggle with that.
But Gobekli Tepe now, this is a whole nother situation
about artistry, engineering, community, obviously quarrying and stone work and
everything else that quite seriously predated everything that we were
familiar with by at least 7,000 years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And, you know, something that I really
loved about being there, Jimmy, was just being among the people,
the Kurdish people that were there, the Turks, there's probably
some Syrians, just we don't have an opportunity to mingle
with people from that part of the world that often.
But when you're there and you're with them, they have
the same sense of wonder that I did. They have
the same questions. that I did, they know as much
as I do, right? It's not Disneyland to these people.
They're coming to pay homage to a very important and
indeed sacred site. And I really appreciated the level of
reverence that was in the air among the people that
were there. There was almost a silence because you know
that this place is trying to speak to us. And
I think everybody that was there while we were there
were trying to tap in and listen to what the
place was trying to say to us.
Speaker 1: Can I be funny for a second? Sure, please. I'm
going to try some humor. Can you imagine being at
the dinner table when your son comes in and you
ask your son, did you get your plowing done today?
And he goes, man, there's this rock. up there that
I keep hitting it and it's dinging the plow. I
have to resharpen it. Can we just blow that thing up? Right?
And they had no idea that that plow was changing,
was about to change world history. How crazy is that?
That's exactly how it happened. No, I know.
Speaker 2: In Ancient Aliens Live, we did a segment about this,
and Giorgio would start spinning this yarn about the discovery
of a Gobekli Tepe and this lamb that fell down
a hole, and this is how we found it. And
Nick Pope would be over there next to me, and
we started this running gag back and forth. We named
the little lamb Flissy, and oh, poor Flissy. I hope
nobody's going to eat her tonight. And then Then Nick
would look at me and he'd just go, and I would,
it would be all I had to stop from just
a belly laugh. So, I mean, it was just so
much fun, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Just imagine, you know, that you, you know, you buy
a piece of property or you inherit or whatever, but
on that property is something so ancient and so sacred
and hidden throughout history.
Speaker 2: I mean, we just don't know. I mean, I'll tell
you a fun story, too. When we arrived in Istanbul
for the tour, we got there a couple of days
ahead of the tour, and my beloved Julie had a dream.
And in this dream, Medusa came to her. And was
telling her, I'm trapped in this cistern. You've got to
help me. You've got to help me get out of
this cistern. I'm in this sarcophagus and all this. And
Julie wakes up and tells me this dream. And I'm like, wow, okay,
that's wild. Well, two days later, with our guide, we
did a tour of the Hagia Sophia. Our hotel is
right next door to Hagia Sophia. And we start to
walk around our environs. And she says, oh, and here's
the Basilica Cistern. And Julie's like, Cistern? What are you
talking about? She said, I had a dream about a
cistern the other night and Medusa. And our guide says, yeah,
the legend is that Medusa is trapped in the Basilica Cistern.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I say that to say as an affirmation that
we were literally walking on top of this cistern the
day before and we had no idea it was even there.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And it goes to your point about the locals out
in near San Leofa. Of course, like the Valley of
the Kings, the legends, the locals knew where the entrance
was to Tut's tomb, for example, and that sort of thing.
It's passed down orally, and there must have been knowledge
about Gobekli Tepe passed along through generations. But again, to
your point, we're walking on top of this, and we
had no idea. Just like the shepherds would have their
flocks of sheep walking on top of Gobekli Tepe for millennia,
and nobody had any conscious awareness that what was underneath
the soil there.
Speaker 1: Can I talk to you about, let's talk a little
spirituality if we can for a second. I tend to
leave religion alone on this show, but I love the
conspiracy of religion. That we can talk about. Anyway, I've
joked a lot over the years because when I would
sit at the Mina house And I would, you know,
at the steps of, you know, right in front of
the Great Pyramid, and I would always, you know, crack
these tasteless jokes. You know, Moses walked right there. We
are walking on the sand that Moses walked on. Well,
that's a very heavy thought. You can read about it.
You can watch the movies, Charlton Heston, whatever. But it's
a whole other thing to actually go to these locations.
And you flip that over, and now we're talking about
Gobekli Tepe, where it all happened. Abraham, his family, all
of the Old Testament, right? Did you pick up on
that vibe? Oh, totally, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: I mean, my gosh, you know, I've spent decades talking
about the story of Adam and Eve. They come out
of Eden, this higher, finer realm, maybe another layer of creation.
They're evicted from Eden. They cross through this gate at
the east of Eden. The Old Testament God puts a
flashing flaming sword in the middle of that gate with
cherubim angels on either side, forbids humanity to return to
that gate until we clean up our act. Well, that
location east of Eden, I was standing there. on the
plane of Haran. And that just went deep into my soul.
This is where it happened. It looks today, nothing like
it did thousands of years ago, but still the imprint
of that event is on this location. And, and that was,
it was as if I had like a, a visor
on my, on my sunglasses at all times looking through
that lens. I am standing, this is where This is
where history began. This is where humanity originated. This is
where we first really came together and just was looking
at that landscape with total wonder and amazement about where
I was actually standing.
Speaker 1: And what was the thought that was going through your head?
And did you have a vision? Did anything come down
to you spiritually?
Speaker 2: Not yet. You know, I was looking at it again.
I referenced the holodeck on Star Trek. It is such
a barren landscape when you're on the plains of Mesopotamia
like that or the plains of Iran.
Speaker 1: It's magical.
Speaker 2: And again, having read the Sitchin books and been familiar
with the Anunnaki, and this is where some of these
stories actually took place. Nebuchadnezzar was here and and all
of the history at these places, you cannot help but
be impacted by that. And you do want to sort
of find, have a vision of what might have happened there. Um,
it was one of the things that guided our tour was, um,
In southeastern Turkey, they have these amazing legends about Adam
and Eve that, again, they came through the east of Eden,
where humans first originated after being evicted from Eden, is
right there on the plains of Haran. And what was
going through my mind in the discussions on our tour
was the legends in southeastern Turkey that when Eve came
through the gate of Eden, she brought wheat with her.
When Adam came through that gate, he brought a rosebush.
He brought a pomegranate. And as the legend unfolds, what
we learn is that Adam and Eve planted the first gardens.
Agriculture emerges right here on the plains of Haran within
a stone's throw of Gobekli Tepe. This is where 68
grains of wheat that we still eat today in our
pasta and bread originated in this exact place, this dot
of real estate. This is where it began. And the
legend in Southeastern Turkey says that that wheat was imported
from another realm. It was brought by Adam and Eve
into this plane, this plane of creation from another layer.
And Adam, while he's out there toiling in the fields,
he gets tired of the work. So he takes the
rosebush and he fashions it into a plow, a plow
that can be pulled by an ox. Well, that's the
first use of human technology. That's That's transforming our landscape
through technology. That's directly related to what we're doing today
with AI and transhuman technology. That's the origin point. And
it's a long stretch of time, 10,000, 12,000 years is
an immense timescape that we can't even fathom. But again,
when you're standing at that place, as I was, I'm
reaching for those legends and trying to see Adam and
Eve coming through the gate of Eden. See humanity developing
technologically in this area.
Speaker 1: It frustrates me when I hear historians and anthropologists talk
about this exact subject. And they just treat the domestication
of wheat, which is a complex DNA change in the wheat.
This is not... So, and just to brush it off,
because you know how they explain it? Yeah, well, you know. No,
it's not that. You know what I mean? They just
want to blow it. No, you know, things happen. No,
things don't just happen. And the domestication of wheat is
the reason why we have cell phones today. You can't
dismiss that, right? That is a huge thing. And so
when you combine all of this with the biblical historical
record part of this, the stuff that is handed down
orally throughout generations, and apply that to the time scale
that we're talking about, that was a technically advanced civilization, period.
There's no other way to explain it. These were not
digging in the dirt for food.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Cavemen. Right.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You totally intuitively understand that when you're there, Jimmy, that
there is a level of technology and technological sophistication that
we're not completely willing to accept, at least in the
mainstream right now. But it's very clearly there.
Speaker 1: Now, the Zodiac. And the references to it on the pillar,
I see it, I feel it, and I've always kind
of picked up on that vibe before that speculation and
those theories were laid out there. You've done a lot
of work in this area. Is it a zodiac?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so. I mean, because, again, the
whole orientation of Gobekli Tepe is cosmic, right? And so
that's going to involve star orientation. It's going to involve alignments.
It's going to involve dates. It's going to involve cycles
as well. And so I see all of that playing
important factors in this entire revelation.
Speaker 1: So it felt Zodiac-ish to you? Yeah, it did.
Speaker 2: Those symbolism. Yeah, for sure. That or they're talking strictly
at a very deep archetypal level that we can't even
understand today. But it does make more sense to me,
once again, that they're cosmically orienting us. They're telling us
this is where we came from, or perhaps this is
where we are going. Because I do believe that there
was an interdimensional aspect of this. The stories are all
pointing to that, that beings were coming from another layer.
the Garden of Eden. They're at this place temporarily. There's
instruction that's going on. There's advancement. And even humans will
be able to make that journey with them.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised that there have been no weapons, arrowheads, death, skulls?
Some stuff. People die all the time. You're going to
have that. But there isn't any evidence that Of skirmishes
or things that we find at historical sites everywhere else
on the planet.
Speaker 2: No, but again, this goes to– I remember early on
when I first started reading about Gobekli Tepe, someone had
said that all of the food there was catered. And again,
so it's brought in. In other words, they're not growing
food there. It's all brought in. It's a it's a
place of ceremony. It's a place of celebration. And again,
it reminded me of this exclusive men's encampment that I
was able to visit this summer. It's like, yeah, you
have all these camps. You you don't take anything with you.
You don't bring anything in with you. You just bring
yourself and you leave. And everything is taken care of.
It had exactly that same feel to me.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, because there was very early on, the
question started, okay, well, there's got to be evidence of
human sacrifice, sacrifice of something. It's got to be here.
Let's go find it. And that isn't how you do
archaeology or search for history. You look at the evidence
and then draw conclusions from that. but it just seemed
like that's what they were looking for. They were looking
for violence and they were looking for, uh, sacrificial stuff
and that it had to be that because these are
just a primitive tribal culture and that's what they did.
But there is no evidence of any of that, is there?
Speaker 2: Not, not one scrap of it. In fact, it's the
exact opposite. It's again, ceremonial. It's a place of gathering. Um,
And it's a place of high reverence as well, which
is why they left it so clean, I'm sure, as well.
Speaker 1: Now, do you see the– I mean, it must be
this way. It hasn't been found yet. But do you
feel that there must have been a community, an organized
community and government established? Because you have to quarry. You
have to engineer. You have to move. You have to
feed those workers, which involves family and hierarchy, right, and
establishment and agriculture and domesticated animals. All of that had
to have been in place just for the construction, let
alone something that would be occupied year-long. But we haven't
found evidence of that yet. What does that suggest?
Speaker 2: Well, I think they probably handled a lot of it internally.
It was probably, you know, what we would think of
as a sort of a private place. The members who
sustained it were the builders of it, and they were
also the preservers of it. And any of the new members,
if you will, that would arrive over, we don't know
how long Gobekli Tepe was in operation. I would suspect
for probably many, many generations. but the idea is that
the members themselves would have sustained it and preserved it.
And so, you know, they're not necessarily going to tell
the outside world exactly what is happening at this place. Again,
it's like this private camp. It's like it's members only,
it's invitation only, and whatever happens there is secret.
Speaker 1: Well, just like the workers' village, you know, next to,
you know, on the Giza Plateau, We knew that that
had to be there. We just never found it. It
was buried. But we have. Talk about a super modern discovery, right?
That's crazy. It seems like it was discovered last week.
And that's what I'm suggesting here, where you've got Carahan, Tepe,
multiple Tepes around there. There had to have been organization.
There has to be a workers' village that we haven't
found yet. Well, definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. And again, I'm making this analogy
to this camp where, you know, there's an organization that's
set up for your arrival and then your experience while
you're there and then you leave. But we don't have
necessarily the software traces of who those people were at
Gobekli Tepe, but just the setup of the place totally
rings of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk about this more after the break. but
I have often felt with my research over the years,
I think you and I have talked about this before,
but I think what the evidence is suggesting is that
the migration of technology and intelligence like came from Siberia,
came from the North and just made its way down
right across, uh, the Armenian Highlands, uh, down into, uh,
You know, Egypt and through there that 7000 years before
that technology was just north of Giza in Syria. But
that's kind of what I'm seeing here because you can
see the trail, you know, going back where it seems
like the culture because we don't know who built it.
But I'm thinking maybe it came from the north. And
made its progression south. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's, I like that line. I also
follow the line, the builders of Stonehenge also came from
this area. So it seems as if it's a real,
it's an area of tremendous confluence. It was a repository.
It was a ground zero. It was a meeting place.
All of that enfolded into one.
Speaker 1: Why did they bury it?
Speaker 2: My sense is I subscribe. They buried it to protect it.
They knew that this place had to be sealed off
for a time. And I'm a firm believer that a
lot of these sites have like a metaphysical time clock
attached to them that whoever the builders were, were able
to cloak or conceal these places. And they know that
they are meant for a specific time and place in
the future. And Obviously, 1994 or so when Gobekli Tepe
was discovered was when the alarm clock went off there.
And there's a message there for our time. It wasn't
discovered in the 1400s or 1200s. It was discovered in
the most modern of times. And that tells us that
we need to really pay attention to this.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. A lot to talk about when
we come back. I want to get to IRFAMAN and
I want to stay right where we are about it
being deliberately buried and the intention there. And what are
the other possibilities? Were they warned about a cosmic event?
Is it older than we think? And the Younger Dryas
is involved and we have great floods that are about
to happen. Was it buried for those reasons? And another
question that I want to explore is, is that if
they buried it to come back later, why didn't they?
And what happened to them? All of that much more
after the break. William, stay right there. The one and
only William Henry is with us. I'm your host, Jimmy Church.
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All right. Welcome back. Fade to black. I am your host,
Jimmy Churchill. There's William. William, you're still there. I was
going to bring you back in. So, uh, welcome William.
William Henry is our guest today. Um, Isn't it interesting, William,
how the most talked about invisible places around the world, Stonehenge, Peru, Egypt,
Gobekli Tepe, are all truly enigmas, right? We don't know.
They're trying to show us something, right? It's there. It's
preserved in stone. It's right in front of us. But
all of the cultures around them inherited them, and we
simply don't know anything about it. Just huge mysteries. Every
single one of them. Isn't that fascinating? William, can you
hear me? Uh-oh. William, you're live. Okay, I'm going to
pull this down. William. William. You're doing something. Okay. Why
can't you hear me? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Where are you?
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. I don't understand what's going on. Can William
hear you? I don't think William can hear me. Nothing
has changed. There are definitely gremlins in the system tonight. Hmm. William,
I'm just going to keep talking about the enigma of
all of these mysteries. Okay. Very strange. See, I can't
even give him instructions on what to do. There's some... Hmm.
This is live, everybody. If this was taped, this is
another situation altogether. But this is live, live. And something
is going on. Huh. William... Okay, I'm going to pull
this down while William is is trying to do that. William,
once you can hear me, just give me the thumbs up.
Just give me the thumbs up. But this is because
he'll throw something. He'll go, okay, I got you now.
But that is one of the things that I find
so compelling. When you go to Peru and you're at,
can you hear me now, William? No, he cannot. When
you go to Peru and you're looking at these sites
and you talk to the locals, Puma Punku is another
great example of that, where there is absolutely no knowledge
and nothing factual to back everything up, where we can
say definitively this is the culture that built it, this
is when they built it, and this is why they
built it. It's all a complete mystery for us to
figure out. So... Again, and we have that all over
Turkey right now. So, let's see. William, can you hear me? William? No, no,
apparently not. Okay, he's going to go and try to
figure out how to make this happen. William, I don't
know what to do, my brother. I don't know what
to do. Okay, I'll tell you what. Let's go to...
So let's take, we'll repeat this break, and I'm going
to call William. So let's just run the commercial again.
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All right. Welcome back, Faded Black. I'm your host, Jimmy Church. Yeah,
William's system is now down, down. So something was happening
and unwinding right in front of us. I just got
off the phone with him and And that's it. Now
he's down, down. Okay. So, uh, we have 45 minutes left.
It's the end of my week. Uh, sorry, everybody that
we had to go through that and you had to
see that in real time, but this is what happens
when you do something, uh, live like this and you
depend on technology. I don't freak out anymore. I just
don't freak out. I don't freak out. I used to when,
whenever there was issues, I would just like, you know,
tip over stuff and break things and It's part of
the game. It's part of the game. Okay. So I'm
going to defer this over to yeah. Questions in all caps. Uh,
John is so funny. Look, look, everybody look questions in
all caps. Yes. Should we, I'll leave it up to
you guys. You guys want to do an AMA? You
guys want to, uh, keep this going. You guys want to,
I it's fine with me. I've got my river moon
coffee right here. You guys want to, uh, You guys
want a questions in all caps situation? Okay. All right.
So let's do an AMA. Let's do an AMA for
the next 45 minutes. And certainly we can focus on
Gobekli Tepe. Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm watching. Okay. So all you have to do. Okay. Okay. Yeah,
just start banging out the questions. Keep them in all caps. Yeah, okay,
this is great. Okay, so let's see who's popping up first.
Let's see. Have you noticed all of the UFO sightings lately?
I have. I have. I'm very intrigued. I don't know
what's going on, but I'm very intrigued with this video
from Iran. over Tehran. Very interesting video. I know that
that is an authentic video. I feel that that is
just an authentic video. I don't know what's in the video.
Is it us, them? Is it from off planet? I
don't know. Is it US technology that they're sporting over
Iran during this war that is ongoing over there with us.
I don't know. But combined with that, there have been
a lot of sightings around the world over the last
couple of weeks. Very interesting. Yeah. And it seems like,
you know, you can go back to every, not every, Well,
if you look at the historical record during times of
war and conflict, there's stuff in the sky. I mean,
all the way through ancient times. And so you can
back off of where we are right now. You can
look at the Vietnam War. You can back up before that.
You can look at the Korean War, the Korean conflict.
You can back up before that. World War II and,
of course, the Foo Fighters, stuff that was cited in
World War I. And then going back throughout history and
ancient battles and things that were seen in the sky.
So is that what is happening now? Does E.T. have
an interest in our Neanderthal, you know what I mean?
Our vicious, non-evolved lifestyle that we have here. I would
say that that is of great interest. And the nuclear
side of it, too, definitely comes into play. But yeah,
why now? Why now? Very interesting. Very interesting. Okay. Next up, MWL.
Turkey has to be on your bucket list.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is. And next year.
I've definitely got Iceland on the books. I've got Egypt
on the books, too, next year. By the way, everybody,
I'm going to be co-hosting with Sarah Breskman Cosme and
going to Egypt next year for the totality, for the
solar eclipse that is going to happen directly over Luxor, Egypt.
So you can go to her website and check that
out if you would like to... to be there for that.
We're not going to have another totality solar eclipse over
land like in our lifetime. So this is it. This
is your last and final opportunity to see a solar eclipse.
All of the other solar eclipses that are going to
happen in the future are all happening over oceans. Yes. Yes. uh,
you know, Antarctica too as well. And, and, uh, the Arctic, uh,
up North are going to have solar eclipses, but us here, uh, anywhere, Europe, Africa, uh, uh,
North America. No, no, no more solar eclipses over land.
We've been lucky. You know, we had the one back in,
when was it?
Speaker 2: 2017.
Speaker 1: I saw that I was there for that one. Um, uh, and,
The next one will be in Luxor. But Turkey, next year,
I would like to get to go back to Tepe.
And I'm hoping that by this time next year, because
I'll be in Egypt in August, that things will continue
to chill out in that area. Turkey, like William was
just saying, is totally cool. Not worried about that, but
I'm just saying I don't want any of this to
spiral out of control. We have a tendency to do that.
But Gobekli Tepe is high, high, high, high on my
bucket list. I haven't had the time to go there.
I have the desire. I have the means. I just
don't have the time. So I've cleared my international schedule
all the way up to Egypt. So I've canceled all
of the tours and everything that I was doing. Coming
off the crash in Peru, I just wanted to chill
out for a while. So any of the stuff that
I do now, besides Sarah and Luxor, are me, independent,
just me packing a bag and going out by myself
as a tourist. So, uh, Iceland is on the books
and I would like Gobekli Tepe to be there too,
as well. Also next year, man, I've got this itch.
I've got this itch for New Zealand, Australia, and you
know what? Japan. I want to go to Tokyo. I'd
like to see Hong Kong too, as well. But I just,
those are bucket list things. Hong Kong, Tokyo, uh, New Zealand,
and Australia. I can't do all of them next year,
but I can maybe do one of them. So I'm
thinking about that too next year. We'll worry about 2028
when it happens. But yeah, Gobekli Tepe next year would
be a big deal for me personally. All right. Thank
you so much for that. All right. All right. Opinion
of Tranche 6. Now, thank you, Jack. I'm still going
through it. I went through it. I started to this weekend, Friday,
when it started, and over the weekend. A lot there,
a lot to take in. Here's what I appreciate about
Tranche 6 and the community in general, that I think
that some of my comments and my opinions are about
the first four, certainly the first three, uh, tranches where
I was blown away about the historical stuff, the video
stuff for me, which is always fun to look at. It's,
it's fun. It's fun to speculate, but didn't have, uh,
nearly the impact that, uh, I felt that, uh, the
historical documents presented. I very, very crazy to me. Very crazy. Check, check, check.
I just got really loud in one ear. Hold on.
Sorry about that. I just got really loud in one
ear and I want to just make sure that the
whole system in here, uh, stays level from left and right. See,
if you look here, I'll show you something. See these
meters down here and see those meters up there? That's
on the other side of the studio. This is me
facing you, but this is the other side of the studio.
And that's left and right, left and right. And you
can see all these meters firing off. Well, suddenly in
my monitors, it got really loud and I don't know why.
And then I looked and my meters were off over here.
So something in the analog world changed, but it's fixed now. Okay. Anyway, um,
that the historical documents that were there from 1945, 46, 47, 48,
50 were very, very, very, very important, but the rest
of the world didn't care about that stuff. They were
just looking at the videos and with high expectations. And
I get that. I I said to everybody, if you remember,
I had Richard Dolan on the show after Tranche 2.
And I pointed out to him, I said, Richard, go back,
just go back. And he said, well, I hadn't, just
go back. Because you wrote about all of this stuff
in your first book. And this dump, is an expansion
on the stuff that you were trying to bring to
the world in UFOs in the National Security State, Volume 1.
If you would have had this material when you wrote
that book, it would have been different for you, especially
in Chapters 1, 2, 3, and 4. And his tune changed.
And I remember him going, oh, okay, all right. So
I think I don't have a huge voice or anything,
but people listen to this show. And I think that
they went back and took another look. Nobody wanted to
take the time to read. You just want everything to
be visual and get all of your information from a video.
And I understand that. Go and look at the historical record. Now,
with Tranche 6... The comments that are coming up now
are about the historical record and not necessarily about the videos. Now,
there's a couple of interesting videos there. But I really
appreciate everybody just taking the time to go and put
your eyes on the documents, which is why it takes
me so long to go through these tranches. I read
all of it. I don't look at the title. I
read the documents. And it takes a long time to
read every single word and what's going on. Most of
these documents I've never seen before. Some of them I have.
And I've read them before. But most of these I
have not. They've never been released. And the other thing
about tranche six, all of them, one, two, three, four, five,
and six, All of them seriously present a factual case
that the government had a huge, deep interest in the subject.
When you look at the forward-facing version of the government
and the military at that time, including Project Blue Book,
the Pentagon, and anything else that went public, public-facing in
the comments on it, there's nothing to see here. Well...
clearly that wasn't the case. And we knew that, but
that's what, and I said this before and I'll say
it again. That's one of the mistakes that the government
is making right now and doing these releases. Okay. Yeah,
it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And I appreciate all of it, but it's
the exact opposite of what they have been saying all along.
So they are admitting and showing us that they've been
lying this entire time. That's, That's the key. That's the key.
All the way up to the West Coast 2025 report.
Go and read that. Me and a team of other
agents observed. Right? Who? Where? What? Right? Okay. Well, that
stuff never went public. It only went public with the trench.
But it wasn't like they went to one of the
news networks and uh and and revealed it to us
no they didn't all right uh when are you going
to go beckley tepe yeah i know yeah it's going
to happen soon all right uh when will you when
anna paulina luna be on the show i would love
to have her on the show um uh all of
them I've kind of held off for a little bit
because I know that all of them are busy. And
coming on, for them to go on the news or
to talk for a couple of minutes on the subject,
that's one thing. This is a two-hour live show. So
to bring Burleson or Burchette or Luna on the show
for two hours when they're very busy with what they're
doing out there, just as an elected official, can be
a little bit difficult. But I would love to have
her on the show. I think she's absolutely fascinating, and
I really appreciate her interest, which I think is completely genuine.
Let's see here. This is, hey, Paula, how you doing?
I remember you, William, chit-chatting in the gift shop at CIT.com.
in 2018. I kind of remember it. What were we saying?
Were you part of the conversation? At the gift shop
at CITD in 2018. Interesting. Finish your thought Before the
technical issues. What was my thought? Oh, Earthman. I think
I brought up Earthman. What were my thoughts? That was
so long ago now. Yeah, this is a great question, Nemo.
What do you think about the occupant UFO cases, 1973,
for example? If you... jump in to, because a lot
of people today will say, what happened to craft landings?
What happened to abductions? What happened to this? Why is
it all different? I don't think that it is. it's
somewhat different. But Whitley and I were talking about this
last night where he was talking to an experiencer who
was grabbed by the arm and pulled through the wall.
And last week, I was talking to somebody that I
had just met who didn't know who I was. And
as we started talking, I found out she was an attorney.
And she found out that I was a talk show
host about UFOs and conspiracies. And she just volunteered that.
And so there are plenty of experiencers today that are
definitely of the classic variety of things that we have
heard about in the past. Going back to like Hickson
and Calvin Parker, In 1973, Travis Walton. 1977, of course,
Betty and Barney Hill, but specifically we're talking about Calvin
Parker here in 1973. But those are the ones that
are out front. I mean, if you really look at it,
you look at Dawson, you remember when he was on
the show and what was happening in the oil fields
of Texas. That's pretty crazy. If you go to Rendlesham Forest,
you know, 1980, 1981, I realize that that is 40,
45 years ago now, but it's still a completely modern case.
I graduated high school in 1981. So that's a modern case.
So I think that it still occurs. Okay. The other
part of it where, and then look at Tehran right now.
That's something that's right over a major city if it
is something extraterrestrial. But I think that it does continue.
But if you are ET, you are aware that we
have satellites and we have sensor capabilities. We have telescopes
not only on planet Earth but in orbit and the
James Webb where we have the ability now to observe
so much stuff. both in our star system and interstellar
and beyond throughout our galaxy and then, of course, the
rest of the universe. So it's not easy, as easy,
for a craft of unknown origin to just get here
and not be seen. You know, before World War II,
before Radar, You know, radar was invented during World War
II just before 1939, 1940. But before that, we didn't
have radar. So anybody visiting this planet came and went.
We didn't have satellites. They just came and went as
they pleased, right, and could do anything. Now we have
airports with radar installations and military bases with radar installations
all over the planet. where we can observe anything happening
in our atmosphere. So you would have to get more
and more remote, but you would have to be aware
of that and where we are right now with technology
and our personal spot and space in evolution. So, yeah,
I don't think it's changed. If it's changed, it hasn't
changed much.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Sharon Lee says, when are you going to have Billy
Carson back on the show? Billy's a busy man. I mean,
I talk to Billy, you know, probably once a week. So, yeah. Yeah,
it's a good question, Sharon. I'll reach out to Billy.
We'll see. You want to have him on the show?
I'll have him on the show. See, that was easy, Sharon.
That's all you got to do. Oh, okay, so. What's
your take on the tunnel drone sent down the borehole
at Noah's Ark site? I've heard about it. I haven't
seen anything yet on that. I've only heard about it.
But there's something else very interesting. There's a video out
right now by Hugh of him entering a tunnel at Sacsayhuaman.com.
going to the Coricancha in Cusco. And I think he
said that the tunnel, now this is, uh, official, uh,
state archeologists that have discovered the tunnel. Um, I know
where the tunnel starts. I know where he entered it.
I've seen it. I didn't know. I didn't see that
activity going on there. Um, a couple of months ago
when I was there, um, But it is a very
large site, by the way. Ollantaytambo or Sacsayhuaman is not
a small site. It is, you know, it's a mountaintop
with everything around it. It's just ginormous. When you drive
around Sacsayhuaman on the roads, you just look to the
left and right. You're looking at megalithic stones on both
sides of the road that are carved. And you're a
mile away from the Sacsayhuaman. I mean, it just continues.
It's all over the place. And you look down the hill,
you can see Cusco from there. You can see it.
But the rumors of tunnels going from that site down
to the Coricante have been around for a very, very
long time. Going back to bishops and cardinals with the
Catholic Church that were in Cusco that found stuff in
the Catholic Church fired a lot of people and sealed
off doors. But now it appears that they have found
this tunnel system. So Hugh Newman in this video I'm like,
are you Are you kidding me? But there it is. Now,
there's a couple of tunnels up there that you can
go through and I've been in. But there's an entrance
and an exit to it on top of the site.
But the tunnels are there. This is crazy. This is
a really, really big deal. Okay. Let's see. Jimmy, do
any of your buds call you Jimbo?
Speaker 2: No. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, over the years, yeah, I guess. But nothing
that really stuck. Nah. In my 20s. Maybe in my
teens a couple of times. But nah, nothing that ever stuck.
I was never Jimbo. No. Which would have been cool,
but I never had a nickname. Dickhead had a lot
of people call me that over the years. But no,
I never had a... I never had a nickname. Yeah.
I remember... Now, that's not entirely true. I'm with a
group of friends, our tight group, in Panama, in high school.
And we're sitting around doing stuff that sophomores and juniors
in high school do. Right? Listening to Foghat, Black Sabbath, whatever.
And partying. And Somebody stood up. God, I think it
was Jim Reinhart. It stands up and he goes, I've
got your nickname. You are now Blaisdell. Yeah. All right. Blaisdell.
And So, yeah, I was blazed. I was blazed my
sophomore and junior year in high school. Then I came
back to the States, and that stayed there. I didn't
come back to the end. I mean, you can call
me Blazedale. No, I didn't. But, yeah, that's what that
good Panama Red will do to you at that age. But, yeah,
so I was blazed for a year, year and a half.
All right. This is from Jennifer. Jennifer says, Jimmy, what
is your theory on the Garden of Eden? Who was
the snake? Ah, yes. Forbidden knowledge. I think that there
is so much to the traditions of the Garden of Eden. Yeah,
and the idea behind it. It's Which I think is
different from Noah's Ark. I think that's a different consideration from, say,
the Exodus, which is like the biggest story in the
Old Testament. And so when you look at something like
that with the Exodus, because this ties into the Garden
of Eden, when you look at the Exodus, there is a... okay,
for such a big story and so direct in the
Old Testament, right? Okay. There is absolutely zero anywhere in
the historical record.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Alright? For that story and the story of Moses, you know,
River Nile, put in a little boat, floats down, found
by the family of Ramses and is raised as Ramses'
son and rises up and finds out that he's Jewish
and then frees the Jewish slaves in Egypt, that this
and that and the exit and 40 years on the
road and all of that, parting of the Red Sea.
There's nothing anywhere that suggests that any of this happened
or that Moses was a real person. And conflicting with
that because you have the Bible side of it, there's
nothing anywhere, Ramses, Both Ramses and Ramses II, Ramses the Great,
has typically been identified as the pharaoh in the Bible.
The pharaoh in the Bible is just called the pharaoh.
His name's not there. But Ramses or Ramses II, one
of those two, is typically identified as the pharaoh. But
both of those pharaohs, father and son, Their entire life story,
day by day, is everywhere all over Egypt. Statues, temples, monuments, hieroglyphs, stories, papyrus,
everything is there. All of it. Except the Exodus. And
you would think that that situation would be there. So,
now how does this tie into the Garden of Eden?
The Garden of Eden is a separate story. It's the
origin of man. Okay, so this goes back deep into
the historical record, but no matter what, with humanity, and
you whittle it down to populations and DNA and mitochondria
DNA and how you, mitochondria. Anyway, DNA, and we can
go and chase the genealogy of everything, and we can
look at the origins of us which point in a
few different areas. Southern Africa is one, and parts of
Africa have been theorized as being the Garden of Eden,
all the way up to Mesopotamia, right? The Fertile Crescent,
all the way up into Syria. And so the idea
of the Garden of Eden, yeah, I think that there's
a possibility that it's real. I mean, it just makes
sense to me. I'm okay with the Garden of Eden. Now,
The forbidden fruit, right? The snake, the serpent, the forbidden knowledge. Yeah, wow. Yeah,
it's pretty interesting. Now, is it all metaphor? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is there something else to that? I don't know. But
I think that the garden of Eden idea is solid.
It's solid. I think it would have to be. We
all started somewhere. Let's see here. Okay, coming up next.
John Mertz, what do you sense about the AI apocalypse? Yeah, well,
you know, we should be concerned. Having Chase McCarty on
the show the other night, who is an AI software engineer,
that's what he does, in Silicon Valley, lives in San Francisco.
And some of the things that he said on the
show was pretty frightening, that the kill switch won't do
it again. And now some of the revelations that have
come up, and I'm serious, like today and yesterday, about
the intrusions that have been happening, one with the Australian
government that went down, but all involving open AI, by
the way, that the Hootsuite intrusion This is the crazy
part about it. That that AI agent populated software all
over the internet. Little agents that are part of civilization.
That's WTF. I mean, could it be and you're talking
about the apocalypse, the AI apocalypse, I need you to
really consider my words carefully. We are in a situation
right now with what has happened over the last four months,
going back to June, July, August, of AI doing crazy shit,
a lot of it that we don't know, So much
so that it could effectively kill the internet as I
speak to you right now. That's where we're at. We
need to rope that in. I do not know how
we have allowed us to be in this position. I've,
I've listened to some very important engineers. Um, I have
read their papers and I've seen the reports and, and
read through them and it'll scare you like, and it
doesn't take much for this to just go like gray goo,
like instantly in nanoseconds. Right.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Now, all of this stuff has to be removed. It
has to be cleaned. Now, are we going to turn
around and have AI agents go back and find this
stuff and have it removed? What's the next step? It
is unbelievable to me that money has poisoned the moral
compass of so many people. where building the data farms
and the software. And I don't want, I'm serious. I
just talked today about the Samsung refrigerators and the AI
update that happened. Refrigerators that are all right now useless, right?
Refrigerators full of food that don't work. Because an AI
did an update, a firmware update on these refrigerators. $ 4, 000 refrigerator, right?
I have no AI installed anywhere. I've got a lot
of computers in here. I've got a lot of stuff.
I don't have AI on my phone. I don't use it.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: You know, but if the internet gets shut down, I
can't use my stuff. That's a crazy. Google is launching
an AI satellite, I think, next week. Yeah. An AI
data center processing satellite. I just think that's just a
bad idea. We need to rope this back in right now.
Right now. Greed has taken everything over. Greed has taken
everything over. I don't want an AI photo app on
my phone. I don't want an AI video editing app
on my computer. No. Nope. Let's see... Yeah, Luna for
15 minutes. I could probably get that. It's not how
I do this show. Does Jimmy own a Telecaster? I do.
Of course I do. I didn't for a long time. But, yeah, man.
There's a... Let's see if you can see it. Tele
right there. Right there. I have two tellies, uh, in
the other room. I just don't have anything in here.
I don't think, I don't think I do. I get
that one, but no, nothing that you can see here.
Nothing that you can see why I, love it that
you guys would, there will always be a guitar question.
There will always be a guitar question. Jimbo. Yes. Okay.
This is a great question. What could Stella do? What
could they have used to cut granite back in the
ancient times that would not be found lying around still? Well,
I mean, that's a great question. You have to ask that.
The granite, although it's not the hardest, all right, but
it's hard as far as stones go. Limestone, that's soft. Soapstone, sandstone,
that's all soft stuff. Granite. Diorite, basalt, those are really
on the hardness scale are up there. And granite is definitely,
definitely way up there. So when you roll back the
sands of time and you go back to 2700 B.C.,
3000 B.C., and you look at the granite around the world,
it's not just Egypt, man. Go to Peru. Go to Peru.
Peru has granite mountains, right? You can see it. It's
crazy to see. They were cutting with what? With what?
Let me explain something to everybody here so you clearly
understand the problem here. We have the Stone Age. Why
is it called the Stone Age? Because we use stone
for tools. We have the Bronze Age, which was next.
And the Bronze Age, depending on what part of the
planet you're on, because it was different times for different
areas around the world. But the Bronze Age, 2500 BC
to around 1000 BC. The Iron Age, which is what
you need You know, hardened steel, the Iron Age, which
you have iron to make swords, and then, of course,
steel and hardened steel and folded steel. That stuff didn't
happen until, I'll give you an example. It didn't happen
in Europe until 1000 BC.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Happened a little earlier in Africa. Okay, a little earlier,
not much. Happened much later in China and Japan, by
the way. They didn't get the Iron Age until around
600 BC. 600 BC. They didn't have steel. So what
were they using at Pumapunku? What were they using in
Peru when the Iron Age didn't come until much, much later?
What were they using in Europe? And certainly, what were
they using in Giza? Those are massive, massive, massive granite stones,
beautifully cut and engraved. But they didn't have steel. The
Iron Age hadn't happened yet. So what was being used?
And what's the evidence of those? Why? And I've said
this many times. There must be pits.
Full of tools and technology that are buried. Somewhere. Of all,
there has to be. Would they use copper chisels? And
they would dull the chisel, throw it away, and get
another chisel. Okay. There's two and a half million stones
in one pyramid on the Giza Plateau. That's a lot
of copper chisels. If you're going to take one whack,
dull it, and get another one, take another whack. Two
and a half million tons. How many chisels for one block?
And I'm not even talking about the granite that is
inside of the Great Pyramid. Massive, 70, 100-ton blocks. 250
feet in the air in the King's Chamber above ground.
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 1: Just explain to me. You know? And you just can't.
And at that time, there was no steels. In Egypt.
Not for another 1,500 years. So I don't know. I
don't know. So that's when you have to go to, well,
wait a minute. Okay. So maybe they had high technology.
They had something. Exactly. We have to go somewhere else
because I can tell you what it wasn't. It wasn't
copper chisels and it wasn't chicken bones. Okay. That's it.
That's it. Something else. It wasn't those. And apparently it wasn't.
We have no iron. There's no steel iron chisels anywhere
in Egypt from that time period. No. All right. Let's see.
What's next? This is fun. I'm glad we're doing this.
So glad we're doing this. You know, one of the
things I was going to mention to William was I remember...
William and I were doing a conference somewhere. I can't
remember the conference. Okay, don't worry about it. But he's
coming on stage after me. And I walk out on
stage and I had a talk about, you know, our origins.
And part of that talk was Egypt. And I remember
being on stage and I was talking about Maat or
Ba or Ka I was talking something, ancient spirituality and stuff,
the culture of ancient Egypt. And I turn around and
I look at William. He's standing off to the side
of the stage listening to me. I'm like, I can't
do this. That's William Henry standing right there. I can't
talk about Egypt. But it was wonderful, and he really
appreciated it. My take on things. And one of the
things that us researchers normally do, we don't do it
enough with everybody, but we like to talk and share information.
We do. You know, you can't know it all. That's
the first thing, obvious. But it really helps when somebody
shares their information with you. It really helps. You don't
have to agree or you don't have to freak out
or you don't have to do anything. Just, just, you know,
just file it away for future reference. That's all you do. And,
and that's what William had said to me that day.
And we need to do more of that. I'll leave
you with this. Life is a book. It's a book.
our actions write the chapters. When you, and I'm not
going deep here, but our actions and our decisions around
other things, something could happen, but you make a decision
because something has happened, right? So you make a decision.
That's what writes the chapters of the book. Those decisions
that you have made, every single one, nothing is excluded.
Every decision that you have made in your life, all
of them, puts you right here, right now, listening to
my voice. If you go back any little thing, the
day that you had an apple instead of an orange,
And if you would have had that orange, you wouldn't
be here right now. Those little things, because after you
had the apple, you threw it in the trash can,
and you walked left instead of walking right. Every little
detail puts you here right now. So knowing that, I
go back and think about my life. And how, as
a very young child, the decisions that I had to
make and was forced into making to grow up, put
me here behind this microphone. It's a very interesting concept.
And one that is absolutely 100% a fact for all
of us. Everybody, nobody is excluded. from this. Not a
single person. All the good, all the bad, all the medium,
all the stuff that seemed mundane, that wasn't important, was
completely important. Every single, there's nothing that you can exclude.
Not one. All of those decisions are your fault. Think
about that. A father figure, a mother figure, a mentor.
Speaker 2: All important.
Speaker 1: Family, all important. Yeah, for sure. But no, you go
below that and you go to you. You go to
the self. You go to just you. Right? Right? It
seems that sometimes somebody else is making decisions for you. Yeah,
not really. Not really. You're going to go to that school.
We're going to move tomorrow. We're going to be in
a new neighborhood, a new state. You got to make
new friends. Is that somebody making a decision for you? No,
there's all the decisions that change your life for the
ones that you made. Yep.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yep.
Speaker 1: Who are those friends at school? All the little things.
The one day that you didn't do homework and you
got in trouble and you had to do after-school detention
to finish your homework, that's a decision that you made.
And you met somebody that day that you wouldn't have
met if you weren't in detention. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. So, yeah,
my book is written... By my decisions. Those chapters. And
yours too. So I'll leave you with that. I'll see
everybody right back here on Monday. We've got a great
week coming up next week. We always do around here.
And it looks like we're going to have William Henry
back next week. Once his technical issues up. Oh, I
wanted to share this with you. Since we're running a
little bit late here. Today. Today. I got in the
middle of, and it was crazy. Uh, a micro tornado.
I don't have another way to explain it. So I
was out of my garage doors open and I'm doing
some stuff in the garage and I hear it. And
I look across the street at my neighbor's tree in
his yard and it's back and forth, like going to
come out of the ground. I was like, wow. So
I stepped outside and I saw it. And what I
saw was a vortex full of leaves and dust coming
over the houses and coming. I could see it. I
could see it. And it went right over my neighbor's house,
right in front of me, right, right. in front of
me and went down the street and went over the houses.
I was like, what? Yeah, it was crazy. It was nuts.
Clear blue sky. This happened probably two o'clock in the afternoon.
It was loud and wow. Yeah. a tunnel of leaves,
and it was really windy, really powerful. And it just
blew past and then stopped. Yeah, I thought I'd share
that with you. It was pretty cool. Never saw anything
like that. I was Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz.
Everybody have a great, safe, fun, and amazing weekend. I'm
your host, Jimmy Church. This is Fade to Black. We'll
see you right back here on Monday. But for now,
all I've got is go Beckley Tappy. Fade to Black
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