FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Adrian Emery

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Let's do this, man. Wow, what a great week we

have coming up on Fade to Black. Tonight, Adrienne Emery

is with us live from Australia. We're going to be

talking about the shift in consciousness. Yeah, we're here. Tomorrow night,

Chris Kramer. Sasquatch. All Sasquatch. All night long tomorrow night.

Wednesday night, one of my favorite people in the world,

Jill Jackson, is back with us. We're going to be

talking about star seeds. Now, Thursday night, we have no show.

And it's a short week. We have no show on

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so that's my weekend, and we take off at like

4 a.m. out of Los Angeles, and it's going to

be good. And Friday, we're going to Slow Jamistan. Yeah,

so I'll post some videos about that. It's going to

be great. So, no show on Thursday. I'll be in Tombstone,

Arizona this week, and I'm back on Sunday. A thousand miles.

A thousand miles. A bunch of hard-ass dudes on the Harleys.

That's right. And that hard-ass dude on the Harley is

talking about philosophy all night tonight on the show. My

favorite subject. Well, they're all my favorite subjects. I want

to remind everybody also, I can't go to this because

I'm going to be in Tombstone. Otherwise, I will be

there because one of my favorite people, Caroline Corey, is

premiering her new movie. And it is this Sunday, October 4th.

And it's for Superhuman 2 at the Sabin Theater right

here in Beverly Hills, California. You can get tickets for

that event at superhumant2. com. All right. Look, I'm going to

be hanging out with my friends this weekend on the road.

And that's the only thing that will pull me away

from Caroline Corey. She is absolutely wonderful and a beautiful soul.

And I'm going to be there in spirit. So if

you guys want to go and check out the first

movie was amazing. And I know how she makes films

and so do you. So you know that Superhuman 2

is going to be all that. And so there you go.

Saban Theater right here in Beverly Hills, California. All right.

So with all of that, tonight, Adrian Emery is here.

We're going to be talking about the shift in consciousness,

the upcoming... I think we're in the middle of it.

We'll be talking about all of that tonight. He says,

on the verge, I say we're like... We're ankle deep

right now. Okay? But it's happening. So... What are we

going to do about it? How do we see it?

How do we feel? What's going on? All of this

is going to be discussed tonight on the show. His

website is below. His books are also available on the

website and on Amazon. He's a philosopher. He's an author.

And live also from Australia. And here's the other thing.

I'm going to bring in Adrian right now. without a

long intro he's a time traveler because right now in

australia it's tomorrow so what does he really know adrian

welcome to the show my man how you doing.

Speaker 1: Oh thanks thanks jimmy so good lovely to be here

thank you for having me on your show and hello

to all of your beautiful listeners uh and let's just

have some fun here yeah absolutely so I think the

first thing I want to say is that, yeah, you

just referred to us being ankle deep. So I like

to use the analogy of you going to the beach.

You might stick your toe in the water. It's pretty cold,

you know. You might even, yeah, get your ankles wet

or you can dive in. So I tend to agree

with you where each person is at in this paradigm

consciousness shift is depends on how much they want to

dive into the water. You can be all the way

in and through to the other side, swimming beautifully, or

you can still be hanging around the edge, being a

little bit fearful.

Speaker 2: That is so wonderfully put. And I'm going to start with,

after hearing that, I'm going to start, it's going to

end in a question, but I'm going to share a

little story. It's going to be short. When I was

a kid... I was in my very early 20s. I

was probably 21. And my best friend at the time says,

I've got to go over to my dad's house. He's

in Africa right now working, and I've got to go

water his plants or something like that.

Speaker 1: I said, okay. All right.

Speaker 2: You want to come with me? I said, yeah, sure.

So we go over to his dad's house, and we

pull up, and it's this massive, I hadn't experienced real

money yet, right? And I'm looking at this house. I'm like, okay.

So we go inside. Nice, neat and tidy. Very, very

large home. And my friend, I'm not going to say

his name. I don't want to reveal who his father was.

But anyway, I'm poking around. I'm a little nosy. And

I kind of wandered around this office area. And my

friend comes back in and I go, He's reading that.

It's a famous book on philosophy on this desk. And

he goes, that's my dad's book. I said, what? Okay.

Your dad is, and he goes, yeah. Oh, wow. Okay.

And then my friend then dispenses with, one of his

father's ideas and he hits me with it. And it

floored me, shook me to my core, a sentence, right?

Floored me. It messed me up for a long time.

And I mean, my head was swimming and I was

just like, what's life all about, man?

Speaker 1: Okay.

Speaker 2: Okay. 40 years later, last year, 40 years, 40 years later,

I meet back up with my friend. I hadn't seen

him in a while. And we were at dinner and

I turned to him and I said, man, do you

remember when we were kids and blah, blah, blah. And

I said, you took me over to your dad's house.

And he goes, yeah, I do remember that. And I said,

and then you said, and I said the sentence and

I said, dude, it messed me up. for my entire life.

And he looks at me and laughs. He goes, I

said that?

Speaker 1: I go, yeah! Dude!

Speaker 2: It killed me. And he goes, yeah, I don't live

that way anymore. Right? Right? Now, philosophy can be a

dangerous thing, can't it? Definitely.

Speaker 1: Definitely.

Speaker 2: Me sharing this, I know your mind is rolling like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You've probably been through the same thing.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've all been through the same thing.

I think ideas can mess us up. I mean, I

believe part of or a big part of the new paradigm,

the new consciousness, whatever you want to call it, will

be that we will be thinking a lot less about

And that we'll be more in the present, we'll be

more aware. But this, what I call the yamma yamma

of the mind, which is, you know, that so we

human beings at the moment we try to live our

lives intellectually meaning via thought as opposed to experientially which

is just what's going.

Speaker 2: On so um.

Speaker 1: When you're in the flow, and most people will understand this,

whether you're playing music or whether you're gardening or whether

you're making pottery or whether you're rock climbing, whatever it is,

people have different ways of getting into what I call

the zone of flow. But one of the defining characteristics

of being in the flow is that time stands still,

there is no time, and there is no thought because

you're so engrossed in the music or whatever it is

that you're doing. So... My fundamental belief is that we

should be living our lives that way as opposed to

a peak experience. So if you read any of the

books on flow, it happens rarely. It's a peak experience

type thing. It's not day-to-day reality. My objective in life

is to spend the optimum and maximum amount of time

in flow that I can, which means the least amount

of thought, just being present, being here now and dispensing with,

as you would say, all those ideas or sentences which

really do become the thrust of our lives. Oh, my God,

I need to live my life according to this commandment.

I need to live my life according to this belief.

I read this like a diet. OK, I need to

eat X, Y, Z because I read it somewhere. And

now with social media, that's the way most people are

living their lives. You know, they say, and I always

ask all the time, who is they? You know, who said, oh,

you read it on Instagram. You saw somebody on Instagram,

so it must be gospel. You know, social media has

become the new church. And it doesn't really matter to

me what that sentence is because we all have those

sentences going around and around in our brain. Yes. ruling

our lives for 40, 50, 60 years, but we don't

ever really stop enough to logically and spiritually really go

into that sentence and go, is it true? Or like

your friend said to you, well, I don't live my

life like that anymore. You know, it's lost its ability

to control him.

Speaker 2: It was just so funny and revealing to me at

the same time. How seriously I took it and how

profound it was. And it wasn't not profound. It was.

But how suddenly I see it everywhere and I'm observing

it everywhere. And it became so engrossing and such a

subject of totality for me. And that's the thing. And

here's the trippy part. If he hadn't have said that.

I'm not here talking to you right now.

Speaker 1: Yeah, would your life be different?

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 1: But that's a really interesting point, you know, because another,

I think, core change that will happen in our understanding

of life is that everything happens for a purpose. There

are no mistakes. There are no errors. In the universe,

nothing is superfluous.

Speaker 2: Everything. There are no exceptions. Yes.

Speaker 1: Everything is a necessary step along your path. You needed

to hear that. Whether it was right or wrong, it

was right for you, it was necessary for you at

that particular point in time, and it sent you along

a certain path, correct? Correct. So you can't turn around

and go, oh, that was wrong or that was stupid.

It's necessary. It's just a part. So what we need

to experience is what shows up, right? And that becomes

pivotal at that particular point in time. And again, this

is another characteristic of flow. So just go with it.

You know, you're not right or wrong. You're not bad

or good. You're not mean or nasty. You're not, you're just,

you know, you're being human. One of my favorite sayings,

and I guess one of my main teachings is stop

being a human being and start being human. In other words,

we have this definition of of what a human being

should be and we're all trying to be a human

being as opposed to we're just having a human experience.

So when you get into that experience and enjoy that

experience and can release yourself to that experience without the judgment,

without the censorship, without the interruptions of the yammy-yammer of

the brain criticizing you, stopping you, you have a much

better existence and the lessons can be learned a lot

more efficiently and a lot faster and you can move

through them you know that's.

Speaker 2: That's so profound yet simple yeah you know what i

mean so profound yeah if um if we could and

believe me i'm no sensei you know i'm not i

don't want to portray anything like that but i'll say

this if we could fundamentally at our core just have

one goal or just one vision and, and, and keep

all the other garbage stuff out of the way, we

would be on the right path. I think Cicero, I'm

going to quote Cicero. I'm going to mess it up,

but I think Cicero said like around 50 BC too, right?

50 BC. I think Cicero said something like, When I

look at the organization of the heavens, I know that

there is a being that deserves all of man's respect. Right? 100%.

Speaker 1: Right, right. 100%.

Speaker 2: It's so simple. You know what I mean? It's just

like a simple core belief.

Speaker 1: So let's just come back to that. As you said,

all we really need is one goal. that goal to

me is just to be myself, right? To as fully

as I can, 100% of my energy focus and 100%

of the time, I just want to learn to be myself,

to give expression to that being that Cicero was talking

about that is manifesting through all of us, whatever you

want to call it, you know, You only need to

look at the night sky. You only need to look

at the heavens. You only need to look through a microscope.

You only need to look anywhere, walk in a rainforest,

go for a drive on your Harley, whatever. You know,

it's pretty obvious. And look, for me, the biggest danger

of this whole thing about philosophy is that, again, it's ideation,

it's thinking, and it is one person's viewpoints.

Speaker 2: One person's daddy issues.

Speaker 1: One person's viewpoint, one person's game, one person's interpretation. And

this is the whole problem with religion. Okay, so whoever

the great person is, they get there, they have an

enlightenment experience, and then they want– well, they don't usually,

but then the church behind them comes along and articulates

that process, makes it a religion, makes it a dogma,

and says, well, if you follow these steps– you too

will become enlightened. But just because it worked for one person,

it's not necessarily going to work for you. Okay? So

for me, all dogma is wrong. All teachings are wrong.

All gurus are wrong for me. You know, like Christ said,

I am the way, the truth, and the light. But

I believe he was just talking about him. He was

the light, the way, the truth, and the light for him.

I am the way, the truth, and the light. For me,

you are the way, the truth, and the light for you.

So Tao Tuning, one of the books that I've written,

is all about find your own path, find your own groove,

get on your own, you know, like you were just saying,

you're going to get on your heart, you're going to

be with some mates, you're going to go and have

some fun and be yourself. Each person needs to find

what works for them. And not judge it or justify

it or nobilize it. Just go, okay, you know, this

is me. This is who I am. One of my

favorite sayings is just be humble and real. Being humble

means you're not better, but you're not worse than anybody else.

And real is what's real in my life. Not because

I'm thinking about it or it's a fantasy or it's

a fiction or I read it somewhere, but what really

works for me. Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2: You forced me into saying this. I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it, Adrian. I'm going to be myself. Socrates,

Immanuel Kant, Nietzsche, and pull out somebody else, Gurdjieff. They

all can't be right. And they are all polarized opposites.

Speaker 1: Right?

Speaker 2: Right? And I'm not trying to be offensive, and I

don't want to offend anybody, but I've read all that stuff,

and it's really weird. I'll get little nuggets, you know,

little things here and there that I can resonate with,

but completely different worldviews.

Speaker 1: Interpretations.

Speaker 2: Yes.

Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll give you an answer to that or

an example of that in my life.

Speaker 2: I didn't offend you with that statement? I tried.

Speaker 1: Of course not. I totally agree. All right. Well, there's

an ancient Chinese saying, you haven't quoted any Eastern philosophers yet,

but there's an ancient Chinese saying that to take offense

is as bad as to give it. In other words,

to be buttonless, to be defenseless to not take offense

to not let anybody press your buttons to not get

upset you're entitled to your opinion another one of my

favorite sayings is whatever what anybody thinks of me is

none of my business i don't really care you know

if someone wants to try and upset me if someone

wants to try and offend me if someone wants to

try and bait me well that's great that's good i

mean it's all it's all good fun and it's all

good for the ego or the negative ego um but

One doesn't because, you see, the only way that you

can get offended by, particularly when we're talking about ideas,

is your attachment to that idea. So I'm a cant

freak and I really believe that everything he says is

100% true and you come along and insult the guy

or whatever and I'm going to get insulted and upset

because I believe that he's right. But my basic, I suppose...

Tenet is you can only be right for you, and

you're not going to get that out of a book.

You're not going to get that out of any teaching.

You're not going to get that out of a philosophy

or a religion or a dogma or anything. The only

place that you are going to find what works and

what is right for you is in you, okay, by

being true to yourself. And that sounds simple, but it's

the ultimate disciplines. Because at every single moment in my life,

I have to be able to check in and know

what is right for me. And the problem is most

people don't want to do that. Most people don't want

to make decisions. Most people don't want to be accountable.

They don't want to be responsible. It's hard.

Speaker 2: It's hard to do.

Speaker 1: Tell me what to do.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 1: So therefore, I am not responsible. I can blame you.

I don't have to make a decision. Whereas when the

ultimate discipline is responsibility, the only person I can listen to,

and this is not being conceited or pigheaded or stubborn.

As I said, it's very humble because it throws the

onus back on you. I need to be 100% accountable

for what I do and my impact on the world.

And I have to take responsibility for the effects of that.

You know?

Speaker 2: Yes. Well, see, but here's the thing. I raised my daughter's.

With one core sentence. Always do the right thing. Doing

the wrong thing is easy. Doing the right thing is hard.

That's it. And that's exactly what you're saying right now.

The hard thing is to work on yourself. The easy thing?

Ignore it. Don't do it. Blame. Whatever. Excuses. That stuff

is easy. The real work... on yourself is hard. And

that's why most people choose to ignore it. They would

rather take the easy road and go downhill.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Think about a major decision that a person has

to make in their life. You know, what do most

people do? They go and ask a whole lot of people,

what should I do?

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 1: And then they get horribly confused because they've got all

these conflicting opinions. Like you just said, who am I

going to, which philosopher am I going to listen to?

Which friend am I going to listen to? And then

they try and make a decision. So if you know

that you need to make a pretty important decision, you

need to be able to go within and go, I'm

not going to talk to anybody about this. I might

do my pros and cons. I might get a pencil

and paper and do a little bit of analysis. But ultimately,

whatever your meditative, introspective, process is, you know, you might

play music, you might do whatever. I'm not saying you've

got to go and sit and meditate, but you've got

to get quiet. You've got to go within and you

will know what is right for you, right? Not because

of a commandment, not because somebody told you, not because

you think this is the right thing to do. It's

not an intellectual thing. It's visceral. It's in your gut.

It's in your knowing.

Speaker 2: You know, you know the right thing.

Speaker 1: You do. You know the right thing.

Speaker 2: Yeah, you always– the right thing to do is always

right in front of you. You know. You just choose

not to do it.

Speaker 1: And you know when you fuck it up. You know

when you don't do it. Even if it's like– and

the example I use is, okay, you're walking out the door.

It's a beautiful day. I like to use the word intuition.

And your intuition says to you, take an umbrella. And

you go, ah, it's not going to rain. I don't

need an umbrella. You get wet, right? Now, that's not

an important decision, but it's an example of, okay, I

better take an umbrella because you know, like you say,

probably a more less trivial example is, I don't know,

something about interpersonal relationships and you're a bit afraid to

have that conversation. But you know what you've got to say.

You know the right thing because it's in there. It's

in your gut. It won't leave you alone. And if

you're weak, you take the easy path, right? So it

takes guts, it takes courage, it takes commitment to yourself

to go, no, I know what, and you know, how

many movies do we see where, you know, the hero

is the person who does the right thing, right? And

the villain is the person who always wants to mess

things up and create chaos. So I do think it's

pretty simple. I don't, you know, I know we're talking

about philosophy, but I don't think we need philosophy. I

don't think we need religion. I don't think we need

traditions and rules. So going back to the topic of

this conversation, the new consciousness, I believe that in that

new consciousness, there will be minimum amount of regulations. I mean,

let's look. at the amount of, and now we're talking

about government regulations, state regulations, council regulations, everything is regulated.

I mean, the thousands and thousands of rules that regulate

our lives, it's absolutely impossible to know them all and

follow them all because it's just getting far too complicated

and it's very disempowering and has created a profound and

deep disrespect for the cosmic truth or universal law because

there are so many rules and so many man-made artificial

laws that we've now just become immune to them as

opposed to understanding that there are two types of rules.

So there's the man-made prescriptive rules that proscribe, you know,

which side of the road, stop at the red light,

wear your seatbelt, pay your taxes, whatever. And there's descriptive

rules that actually describe what happens in the universe. So

the law of gravity is one of those laws, okay?

Laws of thermodynamics. So the universe has, going back to

what the quote that you said before about Cicero, if

one only has to look at the universe quite objectively,

quite analytically, and you can see that it all works.

It all works mathematically. You know, the planets don't start

falling out of the sky. You know, everything sort of

works really well. But they all follow universal law, universal truth.

And these laws work. But they just describe that, you know,

there's no God in heaven going to the planets you

need to keep in your, you know, orbit around the

sun or, you know, you're going to get into trouble.

They're just descriptive laws of what happens. As we become

more natural, as we return more to our being human,

we know what is right. We know what we need

to do as an individual. Therefore, we don't need to

be told. We don't need commandments. We don't need precepts.

We don't need a philosophy to tell us how to

live our lives. But what we do need is access

to our inner truth.

Speaker 2: What you just said is where naturally, and you just

said nature, where this... Let's go deep. Let's go really

deep right now. The material... philosophy of science and that

whole half of the world is antiquated.

Speaker 1: Quantum physics has disproved it.

Speaker 2: All it's so science now that we have learned and

are learning so much more about the quantum levels of

nature and the decisions that are made with DNA and

how things work and all of that is revealing itself

to science. Now they've come to the edge of the

cliff where they realize that there is something else going

on here. It's not just chemistry and particles doing their

own thing on a whim at random. Which is the

material view of things, that shit just is and who cares. So, um,

and now we are at that crossroads where there is

something else behind all of this. And we need to

go and look at what consciousness truly is and, and what,

what is our future? We've learned a lot with science,

but now science is showing us that there was something else.

I don't want to use the word divine. I don't

want to say intelligent design. I don't want to say

any of those things, but sometimes the answers lean in

that direction and away from that atheist material reductionist view

that has been pretty solid for the last 200 years.

And that's why I think that we're like ankle deep,

but the water's rising. Okay.

Speaker 1: So let's do that deep dive. So what I am

basically saying is that we are on the cusp of

this paradigm shift.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 1: I probably better explain what a paradigm is. And the

best example of a paradigm is there's two fish swimming

in a beautiful pond. sea in the morning, very sunny,

and one fish passes the other fish and says, beautiful

water today. And the other fish says, what water? So

in other words, we don't know or are not conscious

of the air that we breathe. We are not conscious

of the paradigm, which is a set of beliefs that

we live in. And that set of beliefs is our

operating system, like DOS, like Windows, like Apple has an

operating system. So our mindset, our computer, our brain, our

mind has an operating system. And that operating system is

our meta belief system, what we believe. And we live

within that paradigm. The mere fact that I'm sitting on

this chair, even though we now know that this chair

doesn't exist and is 99.9% space, it's an agreed belief

that I can sit on it. Going back to what

you said a little bit early about being a time traveler.

So for me, it is Tuesday for you. It's Monday,

you know, so we could end up in a very

big philosophical and I can say, you know, this is

bloody guy in America. He's absolutely a heretic because he

believes it's Monday and it's not. It's Tuesday. You know,

I mean, it is Monday for you and it is

Tuesday for me. Going back to what you were talking about,

the philosophers, it's not that any of them are wrong.

It's just that we all are coming from a different perspective.

So we need to go back to understand what this

new paradigm is going to be all about. We need

to really look and understand that paradigm that we live within.

And that paradigm began about 500 years ago in the

Renaissance with Sir Isaac Newton, René Descartes and Francis Bacon.

So those three guys were the father of reductionism, the

beginning of the scientific method, and the god of science

and rationality. So Renaud Descartes was, if you can't prove

it with your senses, it doesn't exist. I think, therefore

I am. Thinking, linear logic language became the be-all and end-all.

Descartes went further and said mind cannot influence matter because

mind and matter are two completely different dimensions. Matter is

just this inert, inanimate, billiard ball. Newton created what's called

the mechanical model of the universe. You know, God created

this gigantic machine. It's just a bunch of levers and pulleys.

And he really believed and taught that once humanity understood

all things the Newtonian physics laws that made the universe work,

we would be gods, okay? Descartes and then Bacon came along.

So we live within this reductionist, scientific, linear, logical paradigm.

Speaker 2: They want us to be there. They want us to

be there.

Speaker 1: Want us, yeah. We'll come back to that.

Speaker 2: Yes.

Speaker 1: Now this hypocrisy, stupidity, and illogic, was demonstrated in COVID

with Dr. Anthony Fauci. I mean, you know, wearing the

masks and all of that stuff, which has now been

totally disproven. The god of science, remember? I mean, all

the politicians, everybody, we didn't know anything about the chief

medical officer before COVID. All of a sudden, the chief

medical officer in every state, in every country, right around

the Western world is in charge. You know, an unelected

official and the God of science says X, Y, Z, A, B, C.

In 1600, Giordano Bruno was ordered to be burnt at

the stake by the church because what he was talking about,

and he actually used the words, the new paradigm, were heretical.

The church said, no, we can't have that. We can't

have these beliefs being taught because they don't fit in

with the paradigm that we, the church, the church, ruling

class deemed to be acceptable for people. So we are

at the end of this paradigm of reductionism, of the

scientific method, of linear logic controlling everything and the way

we operate, and we are going to break free from

that paradigm into the new one. That's why all of

the Western establishments, that are built on greed, on power,

on fear, on logic, are crumbling. And my message is

because people are going into fear, going into, my God,

what's happening? It's the end of the world. You know,

it's crazy. Everything is collapsing. Nothing is working. Those are

just structures. They're just structures. The infrastructure collapses. of this paradigm.

The structures that we have built from the United Nations

and the IMF all the way right down to your

local council and the beliefs that we have are purely

man-made structures. And people might say, but look, I don't

believe in all that shit. You know, I'm not a Catholic.

I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in all of

those beliefs. But it doesn't really matter. You can be

an atheist. You can be agnostic. But those erroneous beliefs

have infiltrated right through our societal system, into our psychology,

into our cosmology, into our philosophy, into the way we

run our lives, into the way society is structured. And

from the dot, when you conceived, you are being influenced

by those beliefs, by those paradigms. And when you come out,

your upbringing, you picking up a book, a friend saying

a sentence, your education, your parenting, everything is creating this

paradigm around you. And so we live within a sea

of beliefs and those beliefs are erroneous because they are

very limited, deliberately limited. It's a deliberate false narrative. We

tend to think that this fake news, false narrative is new.

It's been going on for thousands of years. The ruling

class has always been there, whether it's the aristocracy and

the clergy of the Middle Ages or whether it's the

politicians and the corporatocracy of today. They've always been the

ruling class and they've always been the masses, the people

who don't want to make a decision, who don't want

to think for themselves, just please tell me what to do.

And so a big brother comes along and says, okay,

I'll tell you what to do. And so they want

to be victims. They want to be led They want

to be told what to do.

Speaker 2: There is... Ramses II, known as Ramses the Great to

everybody out there.

Speaker 1: I've been to his temple.

Speaker 2: What's that?

Speaker 1: I've been to his temple.

Speaker 2: I've been to most of his temples too. Ramses the Great.

Did exactly what you're saying 4,000 years ago. And what

he would do with the masses is no matter what

he did, if he screwed up, if he lost a war,

if the economy was shit, whatever it was, right? He

would go and their internet, their social media was temple walls.

So he would go, tell his priests what to do,

and they would tell these and put the latest news

up on the temple walls. All of it, most of it, false. Right?

Speaker 1: Is there any difference between Ramsey's and your new Mr.

Ramsey's in the White House?

Speaker 2: None. Is there any difference? North Korea or any other monarchy.

Speaker 1: Any dictator.

Speaker 2: Any leader, any religious foundation. throughout time, figured that out.

Speaker 1: That's my argument.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: Every society operates according to the same principles because you've

always got the ruling class.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 1: Whether it's a dictator, whether it's Congress, whatever it is,

is irrelevant. You know, we think we live within a democracy.

We think we're so enlightened. We think we're free and

smart and all the rest of it. It hasn't changed.

Speaker 2: Well, okay. Can I debate you on that for a second?

Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. I.

Speaker 2: Although I agree with you, but I do a couple

of things that are pretty amazing. One, I do this

show every night, and I get to talk to somebody

smart like yourself for three hours a day. That's pretty cool, right?

Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: That changes my worldview.

Speaker 1: That keeps your mind open.

Speaker 2: It sure does. But here's the other part. I live

in a town 40 miles north of L.A. I live

in the Mojave Desert. Nice place. But I'm away from everything.

So the laws, the regulations, the bullshit, the things, I'm

away from all of that. And I have structured my life, Adrian,

where I am able to wake up in the morning

and go to bed at night by my own rules.

It took a long time for me to develop this

lifestyle and to understand why that is so important. I'm

not dragged down. I'm not walking with 100-pound Samsonite luggage

tied to my back, right? I don't have any of that.

Speaker 1: No baggage.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any of that. So you can

do it. It's difficult. but you can do it. And

I am, I'm a different person than I was 25

years ago. I'm a completely different person.

Speaker 1: No, a hundred, a hundred percent. I totally agree with

you out there.

Speaker 2: I see it. No, I, you know what I'm talking

about is a 10 acre garden.

Speaker 1: Yes.

Speaker 2: I see.

Speaker 1: Do you know what, do you know what a paddock is?

We call them a paddock in Australia. I'm not sure

in America, that was a bear dead paddock 50 years ago.

I built this house. That garden is now not just

a botanical garden, it's an ecosystem. I live 100% within

my own sovereign world.

Speaker 2: Love it.

Speaker 1: Like you, if I get up in the morning, everything

I do, I'm 100% free. So to be clear, and

I 100% agree with you, I'm not saying nothing has changed.

That's what I'm saying. We're on the cusp. So the

book that I'm writing at the moment is called Map Maker.

And there are mapmakers. You're a mapmaker. I'm a mapmaker.

I don't know. Maybe there's 12 million, let's just say

for argument's sake, 12 million mapmakers on the planet right

now who don't have their toe in the water, who

have dived in, who are swimming in this new paradigm

like those two fish who have created a new reality

and are doing their bit, like what you're doing, like

what I'm doing, And the reason why I use the

word mapmaker, so let's just go back that 500 years ago.

So 500 years ago, you had the Christopher Columbuses and

the James Cooks and the Magellans and all those guys

who actually went out. Remember, they thought the world was flat.

They did not know that they were not going to

go off the side of the world. They did not

know that America or Australia existed. They were adventurers and

they got in those boats.

Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait. Adrian, the world's not flat? What?

Speaker 1: No, it used to be. See, that's a paradigm.

Speaker 2: It is a paradigm.

Speaker 1: The world used to be flat.

Speaker 2: It did, indeed.

Speaker 1: The earth used to, sorry, the sun used to revolve

around the earth. Remember, that's why Giordano Bruno got burned

at the stake, because in those days it was heretical

to say, that the earth was not the center of

the universe because you got to remember there's God in

heaven and God created the earth and we're the human

beings and we are the center of everything. So we're

getting a little bit off the point. So let's come

back to those guys were called the mapmakers because they

went out and drew the maps of Australia and America

and blah, blah, blah, blah. So I believe that now

there are mapmakers. We are the new mapmakers, but we

are exploring consciousness. We're not exploring the planet. We're not

being Elon Musk on Mars. We are exploring the far

reaches of consciousness. We're going out in our own little boats,

you on your Harley. And look, I don't want to

get distracted, but I really respect and commend the podcast

hosts because you guys are the town criers. Remember in

the Middle Ages, you didn't have the internet, you didn't

have the newspapers, you didn't have any media. So you

had the town criers. And so it was really an

independent media. It was very hard to control. And you guys,

the podcast industry now, which is massive, is the alternative

free press. Okay. So, and it's becoming, so you go

on YouTube now, you know, whether you want to fix something,

whether you want to listen to us, it doesn't have

to be philosophical or spiritual or new age. It can

be about anything. And it's very hard to be regulated.

You know, it's, I mean, you're, you're independent. So, sorry,

we're getting a little bit off the point. So let's

go back.

Speaker 2: Your point is solid. Your point is solid.

Speaker 1: You know, I totally agree with you that when I

say nothing has changed, I'm talking about the, uh, infrastructure

of society, but it is. They are losing grip. They

are losing control. We are out there. We are independent.

There are millions of us now and maybe even billions.

I mean, you look at what's going on in your

country right now. I mean, the more ridiculous it becomes,

the percentage is just becoming astronomical of people who go,

we don't believe the fake news anymore. We know our

political system is corrupt. We know it all doesn't work.

But there are still a lot of people who are

in fear or unknowing. So you and I are quite

way down the path. We've got in our boats. We've

drawn the maps. We've created our own reality, which is

not being touched by the old paradigm. And that's what

happens is that when you become what I call sovereign,

and my first book in this trilogy is called Personal Sovereignty.

When you become sovereign, the first thing that you actually do,

even though it may take decades to do, is you

start to create your own reality beyond the reach of

that mainstream. Even though you are, you know, quite successful

within a medium, you know, I'm not saying, and this

is another big difference to me, is that I don't

think we should be going to the cave and meditating.

I don't think we should be going to an ashram.

I don't think we should be becoming, you know, going

to the mountains and become a survivalist and reject society.

As a mapmaker, I think we've got an obligation to

turn around and go, well, okay, look, I've been to

the new world. I've discovered the new world. I've come

back to the old world, not to– impose on you

or even tell you how I did it, but just

to shine a light and say, it is possible. It

does exist because in the new world, there's no teachers,

there's no gurus. It's not how I did it and

you should follow me.

Speaker 2: Well, you can live comfortably in both worlds if you're aware.

Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. And I think that, you know, whether you

do want to use the word divine intelligence or not,

I think that To be spiritually successful means to be wealthy, right?

Means to be successful. Being a spiritual person doesn't mean

being poor because the universe is abundant. This scarcity consciousness

is very much a part of that old paradigm and

manipulation of keep the people poor, keep them weak, keep

them vulnerable, keep them dependent, and therefore they are compliant

and easier to control because once you're an independent thinker,

once you're sovereign, once you can make your own decisions,

according to that inner truth that we spoke about earlier,

very hard to control.

Speaker 2: And what, this is why I'm encouraged about where we

are right now. And I'm talking about the huge big

picture is where science is. If we back up to

just 150 years ago, you can go back to the

revelations that were happening in the 1850s and 1870s and

so forth, where the knowledge of stuff, even Darwin, right?

If Darwin knew what we knew today about science, he

wouldn't have written his book. It wouldn't have been done.

He would have realized it was all bullshit. But here's

the thing. Science today now can observe certain things about

us and life and the universe that are 100% magical.

and fall out of the mechanical view. Okay.

Speaker 1: The mechanical model of the universe.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It falls out of view. And if I

was going to give an example of that, where science

is now observing some crazy stuff, and I'm using bad words,

I apologize for that, but. I'm in the flow state, man,

is this. That's good. Yeah. Is this. When we observe

DNA or what proteins do or what amino acids and

simple sugars actually do, that is the craziest, smartest stuff

that we can imagine that falls out of the molten

lava-covered planet that we have. It doesn't make any sense

that all of this knows what to... Do you know

what a flagellum is? Sorry? A flagellum. Okay.

Speaker 1: It's a unicellular organism, isn't it?

Speaker 2: Okay. You're close. It's bacteria. Now, with bacteria swims....

Speaker 1: Okay?

Speaker 2: It swims. But it doesn't swim like you think it does.

It swims because it has a propeller.

Speaker 1: And it has purpose.

Speaker 2: The propeller, just like a boat, you have a propeller,

you have a shaft, you have a gasket, you have

the motor, right? You have the stator on the inside.

Everything that's on my Harley... is what I just spoke

about right here, mechanically, the motor. All of that is

in bacteria. So bacteria has a flagellum, and it's a propeller,

literally a spinning propeller that goes through on a shaft.

There's a gasket that that blocks out, allows the shaft

to go through the cell wall.

Speaker 1: The membrane.

Speaker 2: Yep, goes through that. And then through, you can look

this up too, a stator, which is a mechanical part,

through that to the motor. It spins and that's how, now,

we didn't, Darwin didn't know about this. He didn't, right?

But science today can observe this and go, wait a minute,

it's a motor. It's a propeller. Now, tell me where

in the survival of the fittest, right, in evolution with Darwin,

that that comes into play.

Speaker 1: No.

Speaker 2: That's nonsense. That is divine.

Speaker 1: And, you know, this is the really interesting thing that

you said 150 years. You know, it's 150 years. since

the first nuclear physicists and the discovery of the quantum. Okay,

maybe they didn't have the electron microscopes.

Speaker 2: No, but they had the idea. They had the idea.

Speaker 1: But they understood the quantum. They understood it was the

end of Newtonian classical physics and the mechanical model of

the universe 150 years ago. How long is it going

to take humanity to go, okay, we need to update

our paradigm? That's my point.

Speaker 2: You know?

Speaker 1: 150 years is a long time. It didn't happen yesterday.

Speaker 2: I can't wait 150 years. I can't wait.

Speaker 1: It's 80 years since Hiroshima where we actually saw the

visible effects of nuclear physics or the atomic bomb, whatever

you want to call it. It's like that was the

time to wake up and go, oh my God, this

stuff is real. We need to adjust all our thinking

like pronto, not oh, well, let's take another couple of

centuries to change, you know. And I guess that's my

particular point is that all, without exception, all of the

nuclear physicists, do you know who David Bohm is? Of course.

All of these guys were so shocked by what they

saw and realised that whoa, we've got it 100% wrong.

And then they reached back into Eastern mysticism to try

and get a framework to explain what was going on.

And what you're talking about is biomimicry. Nearly everything, we

didn't invent electricity, we discovered it. And we now learn

how to use it. We didn't invent gravity, we discovered it.

We don't really invent anything, we discover it. The whole

debate about AI, it's just biomimicry. We're just you know,

doing what nature did in creating intelligence. I don't even

know what we call it, artificial intelligence, you know. It's

just another form of intelligence. So, yeah, it's really interesting

that the, and the answer, of course, as we, as

you and I well know, is it's because we're being

dumbed down. You know, this stuff is all too, I

know you, you, and I, I might wait till when

we come back because we must be. But I want

to go to a point that you made in your

conversation with Whitley. Oh. And you were talking about a

dinner party that you had. Mm-hmm. Do you remember this?

Speaker 2: I should, I hope.

Speaker 1: You should, okay. It was in a recent podcast you

did with him, and you were talking about a dinner

party that you hosted with some of your friends, and

he was there, and at a certain point in the conversation,

I think it was you, but I'm not 100% sure, said,

are they here?

Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1: You're with me?

Speaker 2: Do you remember that? I do, I do.

Speaker 1: And you said, the room went quiet.

Speaker 2: Yes, it did.

Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what the answer was. Actually, you

didn't say, and I don't think there was an answer.

My answer would have been, of course they're here. They're

everywhere all the time, you know?

Speaker 2: Yes, yes.

Speaker 1: But because, going back to electricity, because it's not seen–

and the reductionist scientific method, we've been taught that it

can't be real. It can't be true. We can't believe it.

It's magic. It's mystery. It's mayhem. And the second question is,

who are they?

Speaker 2: But I'm going to allow you to finish your thought

before the break. We now know And this is one

of the biggest questions that started to evolve since 1995.

We now know that life exists in the infinite throughout

the universe. But this wasn't a scientific fact until around

1995 and what has been revealed now. So, yes, that

worldview in the scientific community is crazily changing.

Speaker 1: Yes.

Speaker 2: Yes.

Speaker 1: Life is everywhere. Life is in, you know, and okay,

do we want to define that as whatever, you know,

but so for me, the other big problem that comes

out of the old paradigm is because we have been

so indoctrinated that we are alone, meaning that we are

the only intelligent conscious species, not only on the planet,

but in the far reaches of the universe, we suffer

from all the symptoms of loneliness. You know, WHO, the

World Health Organization, has declared that the current epidemic in

the Western world is loneliness depression. All the blue zones

have demonstrated that being connected, being part of a community,

you getting on your bike and, you know, going with

your friends for the weekend, if you are not part

of some sort of community, you start to lose... your

mental faculty, you get depressed. Because we've been taught that

we're alone in the universe, that matter is inanimate, that

animals are, I don't know, dumb, that the American Indians

and the Australian Aborigines are all savages. In other words,

the Western human, the European human, is the supreme being

and everybody and everything else is beneath us, we've disconnected

ourselves from life.

Speaker 2: Completely.

Speaker 1: Disconnected ourselves from the universe. We've disconnected ourselves from universal

law and we suffer loneliness, depression that comes when anybody

exists in an isolated state. We now know, as you

just said, that life is everywhere now. in everything. And

that I call it the infinity of being, because we

don't necessarily need to personify it or say that they're

angels or they're gremlins or they're ETs or the whatever.

It doesn't really matter. That's again, just the mind grasping

for a definition. It's just consciousness.

Speaker 2: That's the human, that is in our DNA. Loneliness and

the depression is a frightening thought. So how do you

freak out the entire planet? We're alone in the universe.

We're all there is. That darkness, right? That scary thing

that goes to our core. How do you cure the

planet's ills? We're not alone in the universe. You just

fix everything right away and you pull everybody out of

the darkness. Now you have hope. And a sunrise in

front of you, right? You have a reason for being.

You have a reason to clean your house.

Speaker 1: The infinity of being. Yes. But the problem, Jimmy, is

that bit in the middle that they have also taught

us that if they are out there, they're malevolent.

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 1: So you actually play in your beginning intro clip, I

think it's Ronald Reagan, saying– I often think about how

countries would change or people would change if there was

an alien threat.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a famous speech.

Speaker 1: He did it eight times.

Speaker 2: Yeah, he did it eight times.

Speaker 1: So, you know, okay. What are we going to do

just in case everybody starts figuring out that they're out there? Oh, well,

we're going to make them, they're aliens, you know, they're malevolent,

they're dangerous, they're going to take over the planet. So,

you know, everybody. So it's not a foregone conclusion that

disclosure will be a blue sky event because a lot

of people are going to go into fear. And we

still don't know that. because what I've been talking about

is this monopoly on the truth. Okay. The clergy, the church,

the government, well, we can't let them know about ETs

because they're not really ready yet. And we're the only

partners and they've got nothing to do with the fact that,

you know, we're learning all of our software and everything

from them. And, you know, we want to keep everybody

dumbed down. So I'm not convinced that disclosure is going

to be a positive, real disclosure. I think it might

be more of a, you know, uh, cloak and mirrors

type event of, well, they really are dangerous and therefore, well,

you know, we need a one world government and we

need all you guys to do it. Right.

Speaker 2: Well, the alternative though, this is, you know, if I

have a, if I have a Pandora's box on this subject,

it would be this. If you tell the world definitively

that we are all there is, then what's, The purpose

of being good. There isn't one.

Speaker 1: There isn't. No, no, no.

Speaker 2: Let's just burn.

Speaker 1: It's a nihilist principle.

Speaker 2: Let's just burn this motherfucker down and do heroin. Because

there's no reason to. Right?

Speaker 1: Right?

Speaker 2: Of course.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: It's absolute.

Speaker 1: So there's no accountability.

Speaker 2: None.

Speaker 1: None. None.

Speaker 2: None. Kind of sounds kind of fun, actually. But the

thing is. The thing is that the power that wants

to stay in control, that has been around since the

dawn of man, the only way to objectively do that,

to retain that power, is to keep the fear in

on the disclosure side. That's the only way because... If

we are told that everything is benevolent, they figured out consciousness,

and they just want to be our space brothers and

sisters and hold our hands and give us a seat

at the table, they lose control. 100%.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Can't happen.

Speaker 2: No, no. Adrian, stay right there.

Speaker 1: But it is going to happen. No, it is going

to happen.

Speaker 2: It's happening. And see, that's the other thing. It is happening.

Speaker 1: Okay. It is happening.

Speaker 2: Yes.

Speaker 1: It is definitely happening.

Speaker 2: It's because we're evolving. We're maturing. And we are starting

to understand these things a bit differently than we did

even just 50 years ago. It's a different world.

Speaker 1: And that's the point that I was making before, is

that as enough people in their consciousness move from fear

to power or to sovereignty or whatever you want to

call it, there's not enough fuel left to support these

archaic ancient structures of fear, of power and of greed.

And so that's why they crumble because humanity en masse

is no longer supporting that paradigm and those infrastructures, talking

about finance and banks and Wall Street and all of

those power structures of wars and, you know, nation states

and all of that stuff, which is all based on

the premise of scarcity, victim consciousness and disempowerment. So if

I start, like you say, you know, as you create

your own world as I create my own world, as

more and more people no longer believe the lie, no

longer believe that whole bullshit story because it's just becoming

so far fetched. It is. It is.

Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that the French revolution had it right? Hey, um, yeah, right.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, let me ask you this and then we

do have to take a break. Um, When did you

start to figure this all out? Was there a point

where you just like... We have to.

Speaker 1: Take a break. We have to take a break. That's

a big question.

Speaker 2: It's a real question. Adrian, stay right there.

Speaker 1: That's a real question.

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Adrian Emery is joining us live from Australia. His links

are below, over on our website, and throughout social media,

his books, everything is right there. And now, Adrian, I'm

going to tell you the moment I started to figure

it all out. My daughter is born. I'm in the

delivery room. And they hand her to me. She's a

fresh biscuit out of the oven. She's like two minutes old, right?

Got her. And I take her hand and I put

my finger in her hand. She's two minutes old. And

she squeezes my finger. I figured it all out. Right then,

it was crazy for me how everything just went crazy.

and the feeling that I had, it set me on

my path and a life's mission. That's, you know, that

was my spark. For you, what was it? What happened?

Speaker 1: Well, that's a lovely story. Thank you very much for

sharing that. And that story is what I call a

Damascus experience. Do you know the phrase, the Damascus experience?

Speaker 2: You can share it.

Speaker 1: So, yeah. So there's this guy, Saul. He's a Roman centurion,

and he's running around at the beginning of Christianity. His

job is to kill Christians. He's a Roman soldier. And anyway,

this is the story, supposedly, that he has this. So

he's going to Damascus to kill Christians. And because at

that point in time, of course, you've got the Roman

Empire doesn't see Christianity as a threat to its power.

So it's the same scenario. You know, the rulers need

to suppress the up and coming kid on the block.

It was Christ. And so anyway, he supposedly has this

three day enlightening experience where he sees this flash of

light rather than the daughter, you know, grabbing your finger.

But he has this enlightening experience that changes his world.

And he becomes Paul, who eventually becomes St. Paul and

becomes a convert to Christianity and then goes around preaching

the gospel. So it's called the Damascus experience. And it's

quite a common question in the spiritual movement. You know,

what was your experience? What happened? What changed you? And

most people say, like you, yeah, I can identify it

was a point. I never had one of those. I

never had a Damascus experience. What you see and get

today has always been there all my life. From as

long as I can remember as a very, very young,

and I'm talking like really early, three or four, I

was always able to see that this society didn't work.

Or was wrong. And I'm not using wrong in any religious,

ethical or moral sense. I'm using it in a very

functional sense, you know, talking about the purpose of life.

And so I was always able to see things differently.

And again, as a very young child, I used to think, OK,

if I was an Inca or if I was an

ancient Persian or if I was a Corinthian or if

I was, you know, an ancient Roman person, how would

I look at this particular issue? And so I came

to the conclusion very early that tradition, beliefs, concepts, teachings

were a very malleable plastic thing that really depended upon

the epoch or where you lived and what was the

status quo of the time. At the moment, as an adult,

I'm able to articulate that quite well. Obviously, as a

very young child, I couldn't. I just had that awareness,

that beliefs. And so, therefore, I saw that none of

them are necessarily true. Does that make sense? That they

didn't hold over time because whatever I read and studied

about different civilizations, they had very, very different concepts or very,

very different ideas.

Speaker 2: That sounds like a real.

A fun one of discovery, but wow. Huge struggle as

a child. Yes. Massive.

Speaker 1: Massive because I grew up with this total belief. I

tell you, I mean, I was a very smart person

and my mother used to say to me, for someone

who's supposed to be so intelligent, I don't know how

you can be so stupid because I would always be

coming out with these really left brain, stupid new age things.

And this is way before... you know the Beatles and

hippies and marijuana and flower power this is way back

before anything and I'm looking at things from a very

very different perspective which to me was really obvious I

didn't realize it was any different but it was just

the way I saw the world the way I functioned

but you're right it was I wouldn't say it was

terrifying but it was certainly um Traumatic because I realized

that I was very, very different. And that difference wasn't

good because you're a loner, you're an outsider, you and

all you ever want to do as a child and

particularly as an adolescent is fit in. You know, you

want to be accepted by your peers. You want to

be one of the, you know, you want the girlfriends and,

you know, you just want to be part of the group.

But my perspective or my vision or my ability to

see precluded that. And so, you know, it was like

trying to fit the square peg in the round hole

and I'm going, is the round hole wrong? Is the

square peg wrong? Is it just me that's wrong? I

just don't fit in.

Speaker 2: Wow.

Speaker 1: Wow.

Speaker 2: Can I share something with you? I want your opinion

on this. Again, 21 was a pretty pivotal year for

me for a lot of different reasons. But anyway, I'm

given this book, a conspiracy– Christianity book written by Christians

about the Catholic Church. Anyway, so I'm reading it and

it was, you know, this is in the early 80s

and part of the book was The Mark of the

Beast and all those things that were talked about back then. Alright,

so I'm reading the book but there was this thing,

I was laughing at it, but there was this one

thing that was said in the book which was The

Catholic Church took one of the Ten Commandments, pulled it out,

threw it away, took another commandment, split it in two,

still have Ten Commandments. And I went, oh, that's bullshit.

That can't be true, right? So I go around to

my neighbors and my friends. I collect a bunch of Bibles.

Start looking. And sure enough, it happened, right? And this

is historical fact. But I didn't know it at the time.

And it profoundly changed my worldview that if we can

be lied to about this.

Speaker 1: That's something so intrinsic.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. What else is a lie? Everything?

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: That's it. Ever since then, that's how I look at it.

It's all a lie. Prove it to me to be true.

Speaker 1: Well, I was brought up a Catholic.

Speaker 2: Me too.

Speaker 1: Went to a Catholic school. And again, I can remember

very early on going, well, okay, you know, I quite

like the I was even a choir boy. I was

a head choir boy. I quite liked all the liturgy

and all that stuff, but I was able to differentiate

between that and Catholicism and the catechism. I never really,

I was a heretic. And I can remember debating with

the clergy, the priests, the brothers and that, and I'm probably,

I don't know, 10 years old or something. And I'm

debating with them about some of these fundamental things in Catholicism.

For example, Why do you have to go to confession

before you can go and have Holy Communion? Because if

Holy Communion is connecting with God, surely God's, and you're

in mortal sin, sure, don't tell me how a 10-year-old

can be in mortal sin. But, you know, I'm going,

this is just so much bullshit. It doesn't make sense.

You know, Catholicism doesn't make sense. God in heaven, an

old man with a beard and being so vengeful and

cranky and crap, crap, crap. I'm going, no, sorry, doesn't

hold water for me. as a very young child. So

I was able to differentiate between having a relationship with Christ,

having a relationship with God in my own way, but

rejecting God. So even as a child, I rejected religion.

You know, I just thought, no, this is just the

opiate of the masses. You know, this is just such

a lot of nonsense. I can't believe that people believe

it because it just doesn't hold water. Now, like you've

seen the Ten Commandments, and when you even look at

the Ten Commandments and you go, well, okay, thou shalt

not kill. Or I've got a better example, thou shalt

not steal. So as you know, I'm in Australia. the

land of the convicts, settled by convicts. You may not know,

but a lot of convicts were sent to Australia for

stealing a loaf of bread to feed their children. Right?

Speaker 2: Correct.

Speaker 1: So if you were in England, you stole a loaf

of bread from someone who had heaps of food.

Speaker 2: You were put on a boat. You were put on

a boat.

Speaker 1: You were put on a boat and sent to Australia. Right.

Is that commandment, thou shalt not steal, was that father

doing the right thing? Of course he was doing the

right thing. He was trying to feed his kids, okay?

Thou shalt not kill. So, you know, in modern parlance,

particularly in America, someone invades your home with a gun,

is going to kill your kids or your partner or whatever,

and you have to kill them, thou shalt not kill.

Is it right to kill that person? Of course it is, right? Now,

different states will have different legislation and different rules, but

the Ten Commandments are thou shalt not kill, thou shalt

not steal. It's too set in stone. The Ten Commandments

were written on a slab of stone, you know. I mean,

once you, like for you, once that veil starts to,

think of a veil and it starts to get a

tear in it and you start to see through your life,

is never the same because, you know, as, as it's like, um, uh,

not all as Huxley, William Blake said, you know, the, the, um,

doors of perception are open the veil of illusion. And

so once anybody starts to see through that veil, I

don't think you can go back once.

Speaker 2: No, the foundation's too solid.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Once your daughter grabbed your, and look, you may

not be able to put, into words what actually happened

for you but it's love you know it's that everything

just you really can't put it into words can you

and that's what i was saying in the last session

we try to put everything verbally you know the word

is not the thing the label is not the thing

the map is not the territory you know unfortunately the

problem with the reductionist paradigm is that we believe so

implicitly in logic and language and linearity causality that we

no longer experience reality. We no longer see the tree.

We just see the word tree. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2: Oh, it's 100% correct. Yes.

Speaker 1: Neurologically, what happens is habituation where if it's not a threat,

I discard it. How many times did you put your

foot on the brake driving to work today? you've got

no idea.

Speaker 2: Because then how do you resolve, um, how do you

resolve the, the views of, of many out there that

say religion, all religions are a construct where, where I,

I struggle with that because I don't think that that's

presenting the facts. I think historically, um, The facts are this,

that every culture, every civilization on this planet since the

dawn of man that had no contact with each other, all,

every single one developed a religion and pointed to the

stars without contact with each other. So that would suggest

to me two things, and I think both are true. One,

that it is now part of our DNA. to have

that belief system, a belief system in that. But B,

maybe they made contact with civilizations from out there, and

it happened globally. So I don't think that religion is

a construct. I think that these are systems that were

experienced in antiquity. And I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1: Okay, I think this is a semantic linguistic question, and

that's why I say linear logic language. So, for example,

I noticed at the beginning of this session you're having,

I think, a lady on on Wednesday night, and the

topic is starseeds. Is that correct?

Speaker 2: Yeah, Jill Jackson. She's great.

Speaker 1: Okay, so we know what stars– I mean, you and I,

do your viewers know.

Speaker 2: What starseeds are? No, they are all starseeds.

Speaker 1: Okay, okay. All right, they're all starseeds. So we're all starseeds. Yes. Okay,

so– Okay, so we know that. We don't need to

conject were the space brothers and sisters, I'm not going

to call them aliens, you know. Of course they made contact,

all the civilizations. I mean, the astrology of, you know,

whether we talk about Stonehenge or anything, I mean, the

relationship and their knowledge of the stars and the Pleiades

and all this stuff, and each culture, you're right, is

slightly different. But of course this is a reality. But

to me that is not religion.

Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1: See, we're using the word religion, but to me religion

is Christianity, Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Hinduism. These are very, maybe

not Hinduism because they're a little bit, but let's just

talk about the Western religions. They are the constructs. Now,

you see, Christ wouldn't have been a Christian. okay? So

what happens is, and I started to talk about this before,

you have a great person, an enlightened person, whether it's

a Christ or a Buddha or whomever, you know, and

they achieve, let's just call it an exalted state, you know,

so that the words don't become too messy. So I

don't want to get into the debate about you know,

Jesus being the son, we're all the son of God.

So that doesn't hold water with me either. But anyway,

so an individual becomes exalted, becomes enlightened and has a teaching. Okay.

But what happens is the followers, the disciples become along

and build a structure around that. Now let's go back

to your point, which is a hundred percent correct about

the commandments. So you know what happened in Constantinople in

300 AD?

Speaker 2: I do.

Speaker 1: That's when the church as a structure was built. It

had nothing to do with Christ. It had really nothing

to do with Christ said or did. It was 300

years later and it was called the Holy Roman Catholic

Church because it was just a power play by the

Roman Empire and which was in decline, much like Trump's

power play with Iran.

Speaker 2: To keep the government in good light and good standing

with the people.

Speaker 1: What are we going to do to keep power? Oh,

let's join with the church. We'll get the clergy to

be our salespeople. They're going to go out there. They've

got control of the masses. Problem solved. Constantinople wrote the

rules of the Catholic Church. It was a construct.

Speaker 2: In God we trust, right?

Speaker 1: In God we trust, you know. So we need to

understand the semantic question of what is a religion as

opposed to what you're talking about, which is cosmology. And

that's why I'm saying that this misunderstanding is at the

core of our creation myths and of our cosmology, of

our theology and of our society because it is a

construct to keep us under control. If what you're saying, sorry,

not if what you're saying, because what you're saying is true,

if the religion, for want of a better word, was

to say, well, we are all starseeds, enlightened races from

other planets, created the human being, created the earth, there

is a higher consciousness, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

all of a sudden the construct of empire, which ultimately

all of religion is, is a facet of empire, has

no grounding anymore.

Speaker 2: It goes away.

Speaker 1: It goes away, right? As you said before, if all

of a sudden there is this total disclosure, and I'm

not saying, see, I'll differentiate between the American government coming

out and going, okay, guys, we're going to be honest.

We're going to tell you, you know, no, I'm talking

about 10,000 spaceships, just all at once, all landing all

over the world. Sorry, government, we've given you enough time.

We gave you the, you know, 12pm on the such

and such a date. You haven't done it. So we're just,

becoming visible. And we're becoming visible to the point where

nobody can argue with it. You can do what you like,

you know. And we're becoming visible to the point where

you can't fight us. So that, to me, is more

likely what will happen in that scenario.

Speaker 2: Did you find it interesting when the Pope said, Now, look,

I don't discuss religion on the show, but I discuss

the conspiracy of religion, which is a great subject. Were

you surprised when the Pope said, hey, we can baptize

aliens in ET too, right? And here's the, talk about hypocrisy.

But this is why I appreciate anybody that has religion

in their lives. Because they're just like me. If God

created the universe, then he created a lot of aliens too.

There's a lot of intelligent advanced civilizations out there that

God has created. So you cannot have it one way.

You either are all in on your religious views or not.

And if you're all in, then aliens are real. And

there's life throughout the universe in God's image, period. There isn't, right?

There isn't a halfway point to meet here.

Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's the point I was making before about

this ploy. Okay. You see, I do fundamentally believe that

the aliens, for want of a better word, have given

notice to the governments, and the Pope is part of this,

that you need to come clean and tell the world

that we've been, you know, working with you guys and blah, blah, blah, blah,

or we're just going to do it.

Speaker 2: Right?

Speaker 1: So all this preparation, including the Pope, well, you know,

and that's what I said before, you had colonialism and

the Christians and, going hand in hand. What are we

going to do with all these alternative paradigms? What are

we going to do with the Aborigines and the Indians

and blah, blah, blah? Oh, we're going to baptize them

and Christianize them and pull them into our system. Okay,

so now what are we going to do with these aliens? Oh, well,

we'll baptize them and Christianize them and pull them into

our system. Except these guys are not going to be

that stupid. Oh, okay, you want to baptize us. Again,

it is so fanciful and it shows how, Primitive, these people,

the Pope, the politicians, you know, the elite, you know,

I mean, how much money and power do these guys need?

They've got so much money. They've got so much power.

They've got everything. Why do you need total world domination?

Why do you need to do what they're doing now,

which is to take the world to the brink of

absolute annihilation? It's ridiculous. It is so ridiculous. It's just

beyond belief. And when you see that, you just go.

And that's why so many people are waking up because

it's just become so fanciful. and so far-fetched and so

illogical that people can no longer believe in the falsity.

Like you said, when you learned that about the commandments,

once you see beyond the veil, once something happens where

you go, sorry, I just can't accept this anymore. I mean,

for a lot of people, it's the pedophilia.

Speaker 2: Well, that's true. Can I ask you, I don't want

to get too sideways here. Who was the artist out

of New York that did the Campbell's soup can? Who

was that artist, right? The Marilyn Monroe paintings, right? Blonde hair.

What was his name? I'm going to throw this over

to– who was.

Speaker 1: The– Are you talking about Salvador Dali? No, no, no.

Speaker 2: From New York. Who did the Campbell Soup can?

Speaker 1: Andy Warhol?

Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy Warhol. Andy Warhol– this is obviously what you're

talking about. Andy Warhol famously said– yeah, thank you, Jessica–

Thank you, Cassidy. Thank you, Danny. Everybody's on top of

their game. See, I've got a smart audience. He said

the correct size of a dinner party is eight people.

So I have always lived by that. But you know

what I do with those eight people? And I've got

a beautiful dining room right now set up for eight.

Table settings, it's all ready to go. Right now, you

can come over to my house. I'm serious, Adrian, and go, okay, church,

you're backing up your bullshit. I see that this is

what you do. But I pick seven people, me being

the eighth, that are completely different. Okay? I want the

religious person at the table. I want the person who's

been abducted at the table. I want the Bigfoot person

at the table. I want the Republican. I want the Democrat.

And I'm telling you, those conversations are on fire. And

you learn from that. And that's why this divide and

conquer thing that you're talking about that we're in right now,

that's the opposite of how we grow. You hang out

with people that aren't like you and talk to them.

Speaker 1: Why is wilderness so important? Because of diversity.

Speaker 2: Yes.

Speaker 1: You know, a monoculture, you know, timber plantation is not

a forest. You know? A monoculture, whatever, whether it's granola

or weed or cherries or whatever of hundreds of acres

or something the other day.

Speaker 2: A Christmas tree farm is not a forest.

Speaker 1: You know, like what was it? It was... I was

in Ecuador or somewhere and it was, it doesn't really

matter what it was, but it was a monoculture. It

was just these, it was just unbelievable and horrific, but

there's no nature. You know, like, as I said before,

I mean, I've built, deliberately built, this is not a garden.

This is an ecosystem. This is an experiment where I

wanted nature to recreate itself. I wanted, So I'm just

the servant. I just do what I'm told, you know.

It's not a garden where human has imposed its vision

on nature. I'm just, yeah, I go out there and

I go, okay, what do I need to do? And

I have no idea what I need to do, but

I get told and I do it because, you know,

what you're talking about, which is this diverse, you know,

think of thesis, antithesis, synthesis, you know, Any good podcast,

any good conversation is a debate. It's a difference of opinion.

Like there's another great old Chinese saying, which is, if

two people always agree, one of them is unnecessary. So

you don't want... 100%. 100%. You don't want to mirror.

Speaker 2: No, you're right.

Speaker 1: Here....

Speaker 2: If I'm listening, and this is what I do for

a living, okay? I have hosted the biggest radio shows

in the world and TV and all of that. When

I study how people talk and what they do, and

I learn from that, the one thing that disconnects me

from anybody out there is when I got two people

that are on the same page. I don't give a

crap what the two of you have to say. I don't.

I want to see two people from other sides of

the fence so they can learn from each other. Then

I learn. Right? Okay.

Speaker 1: Well, think of the classic definition of a codependent relationship. Okay?

We're now talking about, you know.

Speaker 2: Go. Go, Adrian. Go, go, go.

Speaker 1: So a codependent relationship is, and that's where the word codependent,

I don't know how you'd know. So originally it was

just called dependency. So we were dependent. One person was

dependent on another. I can't remember who the psychologist was,

but well into the life of psychology, somebody understood that

there was no such thing as dependency, that it was

always codependency. In other words, you had the submissive and

you had the dominant, you know, And basically, so what

happens in a classic codependent relationship is the dominant partner

forces or manipulates the submissive partner to agree with them, okay,

to dominate them. So you can't argue with me. You

can't talk back. You can't think for yourself, which is, again,

the classic definition of big brother, you know, social media,

everything is cloning us to agree slowly, you know, so

we're all saying the same thing. We're all singing from

the same hymn sheet. You know, we don't want diversity.

Go back to COVID. We don't want any alternative opinions.

Think of all those really genuine scientists, medical doctors, nurses, teachers,

firemen who lost their jobs because they didn't want to

be vaccinated. You had no diversity of opinion. I mean,

even Trump saying, okay, you should take whatever that thing

was called, so it's a chlorine or something. No, we're

not allowed to have that. You've got to take the vaccine.

That's all. So again, this whole reductionist, rationalist, scientific method

means we all have to say the same thing, which

is the orthodoxy. And that to me is the problem

with religion is that, We've all got to live by

the same catechism, by the same commandments, by the same rules.

So it's a one-size-fits-all, cookie-cutter methodology, going back to what

I was saying at the very beginning, is that rather

than going, okay, I need to listen to myself, very

hard thing to do, takes courage, takes guts, takes depth,

and then I need to have the strength to And

the conviction to go, okay, this is right for me.

I need to do this. I need to follow through

this regardless of what everybody says, everybody else says. So

you're right. If two people totally agree, one of them

is unnecessary because there's no diversity. There's no banter. There's no,

you know, like playing. Okay.

Speaker 2: So if I have a philosophy, right, the philosophy of church.

If I was going to say, it's okay to be wrong.

That's it. How do you grow if you're not wrong

some of the time?

Speaker 1: How does a baby learn to walk?

Speaker 2: That's exactly my point. By falling over?

Speaker 1: Yeah. And do we go, oh, you're such a bad child.

You fell over. Oh, how stupid. No, but later on

when that same child makes a, I don't know, makes

a mistake about something, oh, you're a bad boy or

a bad girl or you're stupid or my mother saying

to me, for someone who's supposed to be so intelligent,

I don't know how you can be so stupid because

then later on we understand or, we postulate that you've

got to fit into the orthodoxy. But we don't learn

to walk by reading a manual. Nobody teaches any baby

how to walk. The baby tries to walk, unprovoked, unpromoted, un-anything.

It just tries to do it. How do you learn

to talk? Same way. You listen, you learn, you watch.

I mean, some of the words that come out of

infants' mouths particularly swear words, and they know exactly how

you say it and what it means. And then you go, well,

you can't say that, but you say it. So you're right.

You know, it's like, not only is it okay to

be wrong, it is necessary to make a mistake. You

cannot succeed if you don't make mistakes.

Speaker 2: You can't course correct. You can't course correct.

Speaker 1: Churchill said, success is going, from one failure to another

with undiminished enthusiasm. Success is going from one failure to

another with undiminished enthusiasm. So you're not beating yourself up.

You're not making yourself wrong. We didn't get into the

seven erroneous beliefs, but the second erroneous belief, the first

one is original sin. The second one is not good enough.

So because of original sin, we all have this insidious

not good enough. It's individual and unique for each of us,

but every single Western person has it. And because we

believe we're not good enough, when we make a mistake,

when we err, which we necessarily do, we beat ourselves up, okay?

We then go into the psychological stance of being wrong

and as opposed to, oh, I made a mistake. They're

all making a mistake. It's good to make a mistake.

How do you learn? You know, how do you learn anything?

I mean, you've got all those guitars behind you. How

did you learn how to play the guitar?

Speaker 2: Made a hell of a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 1: You didn't just pick it up and become a maestro.

You had to learn.

Speaker 2: Oh, I did.

Speaker 1: I did. You did, of course.

Speaker 2: I did, of course. Well, since we're quoting, we've done

a lot of quotes tonight. I sound so well read.

It's called Smoke and Mirrors, people. But one of my favorites,

it's on this subject, is Roman philosophers, by the way,

just really resonate with me.

Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really cool.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really cool. I like them.

Speaker 1: And the Greek ones.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah, Seneca's good.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Seneca's amazing, right? So Seneca said... Uh, let me, I, I,

I get this wrong a lot. He said, luck is

when preparation meets opportunity.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: And that's a heavy and heavy, right? Right. Where so

many what he, he got lucky. She got lucky. That's luck.

Speaker 1: You know what?

Speaker 2: Somebody worked really hard and they waited for the moment

to You know, it's perceived as, no, no, no.

Speaker 1: Or the overnight wonder. It didn't happen overnight. No, it

did not. You just don't see the years and years

of work and toil and failure. Yes. And failure.

Speaker 2: And learning and being wrong.

Speaker 1: And learning and correcting and, okay, I'm not going to

do that again, you know. And so, yeah, and again,

it's really interesting. in terms of this paradigm because of

the not good enough syndrome as opposed to, so what

I've identified is seven erroneous beliefs and their counterparts. And

the counterpart to not good enough is progressive perfection. So

I'm okay the way that I am, but that doesn't

mean I'm finished or it doesn't mean I'm complacent. Or

it doesn't mean, oh, I am perfect, I am divine,

I am God. No, it means that progressive perfection means evolution,

that everything is evolving and growing and changing and adapting

and getting better.

Speaker 2: That's Eastern philosophy right there.

Speaker 1: That is Eastern philosophy.

Speaker 2: That's really strong. And what's the other, I can't remember

who this came from, Eastern philosophy. You never master anything.

Speaker 1: Right?

Speaker 2: Don't, don't, don't. Don't look at yourself as being the shit.

Don't get cocky.

Speaker 1: It's never done.

Speaker 2: It's never done. It's never done.

Speaker 1: And if it is, you're in delusion. And also, think

about it. I mean, I think about this a lot

and I go, how boring as batshit would that be?

The only thing that keeps you going is the challenge

of What you don't know, like you said, with your

dinner parties, what's the point of the dinner party? You

don't want you don't want seven clones all sitting there.

I mean, you know, so let's go to a political

dinner party and, you know, everyone's a Republican or everyone's

a Democrat. All they're going to do is piss in

each other's pocket and agree. So you want that diversity.

You want that disagreement. because you want from that, I mean,

I call it debate. I often use the word argument.

My partner goes, we're not having an argument. It's not

an argument. It's just a debate. You know, it's like.

Speaker 2: It's a conversation.

Speaker 1: You've got position X. I've got position Y. Let's, you know,

fight it out. That's great. It's not a, but you

can't have a psychologically vested interest in your perspective. You know,

you've got to go, well, I want to move and

meet Jimmy. Jimmy wants to move and meet me. We're

both going to learn and change something, and we're both

going to come up with thesis and synthesis. So we

both move. We both grow. We both become something new

that we haven't been before. And this is why communism fails.

You see, communism always and socialism always fail. Wokeism will

fail because, you know, everyone in China quoted the Little

Red Book, wore the same costumes. I went behind the

Iron Curtain. several times before it collapsed.

Speaker 2: Oh, you did?

Speaker 1: And it was so gray. It was so drab. It

was so.

Speaker 2: Lack of color.

Speaker 1: Lack of color, but not just physical color. Lack of vibe.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm talking about society. Yeah, lack of.

Speaker 1: You know, lack of... Vibrancy. Curiosity and wonder and vibrancy

and joy and life. You know, so everyone just becomes...

you know, the little grey blob, you know, because that's

what the controlling mechanism ultimately does. Its objective is to

rob us of our sovereignty, of our curiosity, of our individuality.

But once it succeeds, then the wheels stop turning. The

economic wheels, the social wheels, the cultural wheels all stop turning.

and there's no culture. I mean, look at the, what

was it called, the cultural revolution in China, the books

that they burnt, the books that the Nazis burnt. So

any of these autocratic societies that totalitarian, that try to

then completely dominate the populace, ultimately grind to a halt

and economically, and that's why it collapses.

Speaker 2: Because here's, here's why I struggle with that. Now, see,

let's debate. Let's debate. Here's why I struggle with that.

All this warned us about this. He wrote the book

Huxley and, and, and we all laughed, you know, good entertainment,

good science fiction. Great story, right? That'll never happen. And

here we are in 2026 living it, man. Like for

real living it.

Speaker 1: It's all happening. It's crazy. You look at 19, George Orwell.

Speaker 2: But why didn't we, but why didn't, oh, I said Huxley,

Orwell too, right?

Speaker 1: Yeah, but how did he know?

Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Didn't Orwell, wasn't Huxley Orwell's teacher?

Speaker 1: They were related.

Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly how. No, no, no. I think

Huxley was his teacher in college.

Speaker 1: At university.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: Well, they were all part of a movement.

Speaker 2: So why didn't we– I understand what you're saying now

that our eyes are open, but why didn't we listen,

damn it? Why did we not?

Speaker 1: Well, we did. The map makers did. You and I

would have read it, but I also think that there

was a certain amount of disbelief that this could never happen.

It was just too far-fetched. I mean, I read 1984

again quite recently, within the last year or so, and

it's horrific.

Speaker 2: It is horrific.

Speaker 1: You know, you just can't, and it is so sad,

or that's not really the right word. It's just pathos. It's,

you know, like waiting for Godot, and you just go, oh,

my God, this is unbelievable, but it is so true.

And then I thought, how did this guy know? He

must have been part of MI5 or MI6. There is

no way.

Speaker 2: He channeled it. He channeled it.

Speaker 1: Okay, he channeled it. I think that he was part

of this, you're right, Huxley, and then you had William Blake,

who I quoted before. I mean, they were all part

of this intelligent– I can't remember the name of the group,

but it did have a name– within the intelligentsia of

the British society. You see, because there's always been the

ruling class and people with their eyes open or, you know,

eyes wide open or eyes wide closed, see once I think,

you know, you spoke about you at 21, I believe

that when you're 19, 20, 21, That's when your soul

really starts opening your eyes or you, meaning an individual,

has a choice. Am I going to look at this

or am I going to go into denial? Am I

going to pretend that I didn't see it? And I

don't think you've got very long because, as I said before,

once the veil really starts to tear, once the fabric tears,

you can't go back. But I think there is, you know, months,

maybe 12, 18, where you can go, I don't want

to look. I don't want to see because it's not comfortable.

It's scary politically and economically. It's not a really good move.

And so people go back into the comfort.

Speaker 2: Zone, the safe zone, safe zone. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1: You know, the denial. What they don't realize is that

if you do go through, as we said before, you

can become quite successful and wealthy and build your own life.

It doesn't mean you have to go down in a

screaming heap. But it does mean you have to be

courageous and it does mean that you have to have

the guts to build that, your own going back to

your worldview. Once your worldview changes and you realize I

can't accept, and this happened to me, as I said,

when I was a very young child, I can't accept

any of the constructs that are being given to me.

I have to build my own. And it does take

many years, decades to do that. And now being, you know,

old men, we can sit here and reminisce and look

at the journey. But it's a pretty, you know, as

Campbell wrote, the hero's journey. Yes. The hero's journey. You know,

it is a hero's journey. And I think for me,

the ultimate human decision is, Am I going to be

the hero or am I going to be the victim?

You know? And the hero doesn't need to be Hollywood version.

The hero just needs, as I said before, to be

humble and real, but it means to honor your own truth.

You know, I've got to be true to myself. And

quite often that may mean the loss of friendships, the

loss of partners, the loss of, uh, jobs or careers

or whatever because invariably, and I'm sure this has happened

for you as well, when a chapter starts to come

to an end, you have to exit, right? And then

that's how you land in the new chapter. You know,

you go through this shift, and I call it a

quantum leap, and you go from one matrix to the next.

Speaker 2: Yeah, your decisions– I like where you're going with that

because your decisions and your experiences write the chapters to

that book. And that's the only way to complete the book.

And so many want to fall back and play victim

on the experiences or the blame game instead of learning

from those experiences and those moments that do write the

chapter and help complete the book. It's not that difficult.

Speaker 1: And that's exciting.

Speaker 2: Yes.

Speaker 1: That's exciting.

Speaker 2: See, you and I, we're agreeing too much. Let's argue

about something. I do want to say this, though, and

I want your comment on this. This country, I can't

speak for Australia. By the way, I'll be in Australia

next year, and I would love to come and see you,

is this. Growing up, our country started to really move

in the right direction, and And I remember specifically, year

after year, not once, like year after year, this country

would get together on July 4th and we would have

block parties. Every town, every city in this country did

the same thing. Your neighbors came out and you blew

shit up in the street. Okay?

Speaker 1: Right?

Speaker 2: Fireworks and stuff. And it was... The Vietnam vet. It

was the computer guy. It was the manager of an

auto parts store. It was black, white, whatever. Nobody gave

a crap about your religion or your political stance or

if you were married or divorced.

Speaker 1: Or how much money you had. None of that.

Speaker 2: We all got together, drank, and lit stuff on fire

in our driveways. And no fights, no arguments. And like today,

if you're not part of your group, you're not– it's

weird how we grew out of that so quickly. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Really sad. I mean, I don't know if you've studied

the stats, but they're– I mean, let's– and, you know,

just using Trump as an example, whether you like him

or hate him, but they did a survey around about

the time– in the election when he was getting shot at,

or I think it was just after, what was the name?

Remember the guy that shot him in the ear?

Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into the conspiracy. It was

just at that time. They did a survey and quite

a high statistic of Democratic voters said they wished that

that guy had killed him. This is a true story.

A true survey. So, America is now so polarized. I mean,

there are families that are splitting apart communities, as you said.

You are now in a situation where I can't see

a way out of it because.

Speaker 2: Oh, we will get out of it. No, there's one

thing that's beautiful about this country is no matter how

crazy it seems like it is right now, it's always

been crazy here. It always... Talk about the 60s.

Speaker 1: There will be a new chapter.

Speaker 2: In the 60s, we were burning cities down here. And

that was good. We had the Civil War. We had

a revolution here. So it's happened over and over and

over again. war we had a revolution here you know

so um it it's it's happened over and over and

over again we tend to land on our feet and

and course correct and move forward and we're going to

do it once again so that's okay it's you know yeah.

Speaker 1: And going back to the channel stuff that's what the

channel that's what the spiritual world is predicting that america

will land on its feet and will get back to

its true destiny and blah, blah, blah, blah. But you're right.

I mean, it's– and we already spoke about this before,

about that community. So each block was a community and

you were able to go back to your tribalness of togetherness, community,

Who cares what you do? As you say, you would

have just drunk beer. You wouldn't care. You wouldn't ask

or discuss who do you vote, what do you do, blah, blah, blah.

It was irrelevant. You're just a human being, being human,

having fun, as you say, blowing whatever you're doing. And that,

you know, if you think about it, going back to

your point about religion and the star seeds and all that,

most of those indigenous civilizations had a completely different concept

or construct of religion than we do. It was more

about ritual and dancing and togetherness. And, you know, the

rituals were designed to unite as opposed to our religious rituals,

which are designed to keep us weak and the clergy dominant.

So that even though they would have had a shaman

or a medicine man or a witch doctor or whatever,

That shaman didn't have that rulership and dominance that the

clergy in the West. So when I said that religion

is a construct, the construct is designed to dominate. You

were talking about indigenous religions, which are more designed to

create brotherhood or a collective spirit. to bring out that

feeling of oneness and togetherness that you guys all experienced

on July the 4th, you're talking about Independence Day, you know,

where let's celebrate who we are, what we have in

common and what we have achieved, you know, on our

journey as a nation, as opposed to now where the

polarization is so extreme that, You know, there's no thesis-antithesis-synthesis.

There's only thesis-antithesis-conflict.

Speaker 2: It's so weird. You're right. Because, and I don't know

how we got here, but the micro is the divisiveness

that happens at the fundamental level of individuals, right? It's

so powerful right now, the divide and conquer, that we're

not looking at the macro anymore. We're not looking at

the earth. We're not looking at humanity. We're not looking

at consciousness. We're looking at borders, color, religions, political, this, that,

all the way down to the individual. And there's 8

billion people on this planet. I don't know how we

got here.

Speaker 1: You're saying you don't know how it happened, but you

don't think it was deliberate?

Speaker 2: Oh, no. Okay. I'm saying I thought we were smarter

than that. I thought we were starting to mature.

Speaker 1: It's pretty seductive. Yeah. It's pretty seductive.

Speaker 2: Yeah. It is seductive.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's deliberate. I don't think it just happened.

Speaker 2: Oh, it's 100% deliberate. I'm saying that. I thought we

were smarter than that.

Speaker 1: You don't know how the American populace swallowed it.

Speaker 2: It got duped.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it got duped. Yeah, I often think that. You know,

when you watch the news, you just.

Speaker 2: Go like, Oh, I've got friends that I grew up

with and went to school with that I've known for

50 years that are smart, wonderful, loving, extraordinary human beings

that have been duped. And it's like I can't even talk.

I will not go into certain subjects. And we hang out.

I mean, you know what I mean? I just, and

I just go, oh, and I see their post and,

you know.

Speaker 1: And you know, you know, which subjects are taboo and

you know, there's no point because they're just, you're not

going to have a conversation. There's not going to be, okay, disagree.

Speaker 2: Fine.

Speaker 1: Happy to disagree. Love to disagree. Let's have a debate

about it. But you're right. Some of these people, not just,

and all that's going to happen is, if you have

those conversations is they're just going to cut you off. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Bad things happen.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: So I just, I just, no, no. And you know what?

I'm going to be honest with you. They know they

don't do it with me either.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: It's just like, let's keep our friendship solid. Let's not

break up the family, you know?

Speaker 1: I think Jimmy, that that question is really goes to

the heart of everything. And we've, covered now a lot

of ground but I think that question goes to the

core and the question is how or why do these

people get duped why and or how both probably so

in other words looking at the mechanism which is the

why and then how is looking at what is the

internal whatever word you want to use, psychological, neurological, mental

consciousness processing, that it's an acceptance. It's an acceptance of servitude.

So why would you want to do that?

Speaker 2: I want to invite you back. I'm going to have

Michelle reach out to you and let's continue this conversation.

I had so much fun tonight.

Speaker 1: That's the heart of it. I agree. I'd like to

go into that conversation because to me, going back to Mapmaker, see,

and to conclude, because you and I as Mapmakers have

not been seduced, we find it very difficult to understand

the people who have. But from my perspective, and that's

why now I call myself a philosopher, which maybe is

not such a good term, but If we don't understand it,

then we're not equipped to help guide those people out

of it. Does that make sense? 100%. So if I've

got a disease and I go to a doctor, hopefully

that doctor is going to understand my symptoms and blah, blah, blah,

not that I don't like medicine, but whatever, whatever healing

modality you want. If you go to someone with an issue,

with a problem, you want that person to understand more

than you so they can guide you Out of it. Right?

Speaker 2: Yeah. You don't want somebody to say, oops.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, I can't help it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, right.

Speaker 1: Oops.

Speaker 2: What do you mean, oops? I'm here for answers. I

don't need.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here for answers. I don't want you to

take responsibility, but I'm asking for your guidance or assistance.

So I see, and the only reason why I'm doing

what I'm doing, and I guess the reason why you're

doing what you're doing, is... you know, the people listening,

hoping little light bulbs are going on, hoping that in

little ways, not, you know, not that I want to

save the world or anything, but let's just, by having

this conversation, which is open and free and maybe we're

making fools of ourselves, who cares? It doesn't really matter.

You know, we're not pontificating. I'm not trying to be

all knowing, give all the answers. I just want to

arouse that natural curiosity and go open your mind and think,

you know, fade to black, look at alternative options and

get a little bit more into the awe and wonder,

or maybe I can make the mistakes and that's okay

and learn because so it's sort of like, and I

said this on a podcast recently, you know, it's like,

everybody's in a prison, but you have the key. You

can take the shackles off. You know, it's a voluntary choice.

Nobody's got a gun pointing at your head. But yet,

maybe they will soon.

Speaker 2: But right now, it's such a fascinating study on society.

I'll give you an example. And I realize everybody, we're

eight minutes over. Let's Do a little overtime if it's okay. Well,

it's noon for you in Australia, so it's not that

big of a deal. But I'll lay out a crazy example.

And I wonder about the tens of millions of people

that were duped on Q. Q ruined families. It ruined jobs.

It ruined relationships. Nobody could talk to each other. And

it was just an insane period in this country. Now,

those people that were duped, that have to go back

to their families and their co-workers and whoever around them going, okay,

all right, I'm back, right? How did all of that happen?

Where they're reading something crazy, right? They're reading it and

absolutely 100% bought into all of it with zero evidence,

zero facts, zero receipts on anything. And we are talking

about a huge swath of the planet. It wasn't like

some little outlier. This was like crazy town.

Speaker 1: And COVID was the same.

Speaker 2: Well, that's a whole other conversation. That is. But the

Q situation, which did overlap in the COVID, by the way,

but the whole Q situation where the rational people were

looking back going, but the believers in Q said, considered

themselves to be the rational people so you have two

belief systems that thought that they were rational solid and

on firm ground and you cannot you know you cannot

bend that and it and now it's like a distant

memory where you bring up q now and it's a

big joke yeah it was a that is that as i.

Speaker 1: Said a minute ago i think you've put your finger

on the human predicament. That is not just Q that's

been going on for.

Speaker 2: You want to be, you want to be a member

of a club. You want to be, you want to

be in the. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: I need the solidarity. I need to be part of

a gang.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 1: And look going to, uh, you would just refer to

the micro, um, gang psychology has been documented quite well,

particularly for young males, that you get a few, several

young gung-ho males, maybe of an ethnicity or from a

subgroup or whatever, and you bring them together and they

will do horrific things that they would not do alone

because this gang is Mentality takes over.

Speaker 2: What was that prison test? Was that at Stanford? Where

did they do that where they brought in just people

for a– what was that? Was it at Stanford? It

was somewhere in the 60s where they just brought a

group of average people together, divided them up. Okay, now

you are the prison guards. You're the prisoners.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: And how quickly that shit unraveled into chaos.

Speaker 1: Lord of the Flies.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Lord of the Flies. Right, exactly. Adrian, I got

to get you back on. So I'm going to have

Michelle reach out to you. I want to do this

as soon as we can. I know that we book

out a few months in advance, but sooner than later.

So let me get that set up. Great conversation tonight.

Go hang out in your garden and enjoy the rest

of your day. Where can everybody follow your work?

Speaker 1: Basically on my website, adrianemery.com, and then all the links

are there.

Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? At the end of the show, oh,

you locked up right then. You froze.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: You said everybody can go.

Speaker 1: Oh, so I said go to my website, adrianemery.com, and

then the links to the other social media and stuff.

I'm not big on social media, but my website or

obviously go to Amazon and buy a book and, you know,

the books are very interesting. And as I said, I'm

working on another one at the moment. It's not published yet,

Map Maker, but it's specifically written for people The people

that I believe, like us, as we said at the

very beginning, are starting to dive into the water and

will be the early adopters of the new paradigm, of

the new consciousness.

Speaker 2: You're the best, man. Great conversation tonight.

Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you very much. Loved it. See you, Jimmy.

Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of your day, Adrian. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: I will. Thank you.

Speaker 2: Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Perfect night on the show right there.

Speaker 1: Perfect.

Speaker 2: Thank you, Adrian. And just like anything else, there's nothing

like a great conversation. And that's what you got.

Speaker 1: All right.

Speaker 2: This is Fade to Black. What am I doing tomorrow night?

Does anybody know? Does anybody know what I'm doing tomorrow night?

Tomorrow night, Sasquatch. Chris Kramer is here. It's going to

be great. All Sasquatch all the time. All of Adrian's

links are below over on our website and throughout social media.

There you go. But for now, all I've got is

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