FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Dr. MonaLisa Coburn

Tonight, author and experiencer Dr. MonaLisa Coburn joins us to discuss her alien abductions and the discovery of One Consciousness... amazing!!!

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Speaker 1: The Smoke Radio for the Masses.

Speaker 2: Headline edition July 8, 1947.

Speaker 1: The Army Air Force has announced that a flying disc

has been found and is now in the possession of

the Army. If the game is rigged, change the game.

Speaker 3: Change the game.

Speaker 2: I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish

if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.

Speaker 1: This is Fade to Black with your host, Jimmy Church,

on the Game Changer Radio Network. All right, good evening.

Fade to Black. How you doing? Today is Monday, October 12th. 2026.

Let's do this, man. This week on Fade to Black, well,

tonight we're going to kick it off with Dr. Mona

Lisa Colburn with us in the house. We've got a

lot of things we're going to be talking about tonight.

I'm going to kick things off with alien abductions, and

then we're going to see where we are going to

go from there. Tomorrow night, Sam Baltrusis is with us.

We're going to be talking about, it's Halloween. It's October.

It's Rocktober. Tomorrow night, Lizzie Borden. Yeah. Wednesday night, Karen

Bell is going to be, she is absolutely amazing. She

is a channeler amongst other things, but, and a very, very,

very talented musician. And if she's listening right now, she's like, Jimmy,

don't do it. Don't do it. I just did. I

just did. She is absolutely incredible. And very much looking

forward to having her on the show for the first time.

Just like Mona Lisa tonight, by the way. And I

love first-time guests. You guys all know that. And so

Wednesday night, Karen Bell is here, live from Canada. Thursday night,

Samantha Treasure is going to be with us. And we're

going to be talking about out-of-body experiences. Okay? And that's

a whole... umbrella of stuff that is underneath that. So

that will be Thursday night, also a first-time guest on

the show. I want to address that for a second,

if I can. When before time, before all of this,

and yeah, I hosted Coast to Coast for seven years,

six and a half years, seven years. And before all

of that, when I was a fan of Coast to Coast,

which was across the street from my house, I would

listen and I would look and see who they had

on for the guest for the week. And I always

looked forward to familiar faces. But what really got me

was when there was a guest that was either a

first-time guest or a guest I had never heard from before.

That is where my heart lies. And I've always wanted

to continue that feeling that I had as a listener.

Now I'm a broadcaster, but when I was a listener,

that's what I would go for. And that's what I

try to do here as much as I can. Not

only to hear fresh voices and to hear from them,

but also for you. right? To learn something new and

something different. It's very important to me. And also, a

lot of people that are out there that have something

to say, that have taken the time to write a book,

or they're trying to give back and of service and

everything else, that it's hard to get on a show

and a major show and a big show like this one.

It's hard. And So I want to be, and Michelle,

my producer, I want to be that person that says yes. Yeah.

You know, come on. Let's talk. All right? So that's

why I do it. I do it as much as

I can. It doesn't mean that, you know, the Richard

Dolan and Linda Moulton Howes of the world and the

Whitley Strebers. Yes, of course. You know, I have great

relationships with everyone. But it's those first-time guests. And that's

when I get something on and I learn. All right.

So I have been gone for about 10 days. I'm back.

And we wrapped the season for Beyond Belief. So now

I've got a month, a month and a half off,

which I don't know what I'm going to do with myself.

So there's that. So I went out since I've been gone.

I went to Tombstone, Arizona for a bike rally with

a bunch of my friends. 14 hours one way on

the bikes. Think about that. 14 hours. 700, 800 miles. Anyway,

an amazing trip. Got to Tombstone. Left LA at 5 a.m.

Got to Tombstone at 8 p.m. No naps allowed. Straight through, man.

Just straight through. Anyway, Tombstone was incredible. And turned around

and drove back, rode back from Tombstone. Did that. Got

a bunch of business and tied up loose ends and

everything else and wrapped the season for Beyond Belief. All

of that happened this week. And then, of course, my

birthday was this weekend. And thank you to everyone for

all of the birthday wishes and It made me feel

really good. 63 years old. It doesn't compute in my head.

It just doesn't. My friend, Kirsten, CEO of Gaia, she

calls me on Saturday. How are you feeling, kid? Happy birthday.

You know, how do you feel? I said, you know,

what's weird is my mind is.

That 22-year-old kid, that's the way that I think. It's

the way that I run my life. I'm smarter today.

And I have the ability to do all the things

that I used to dream about. But my mind is that.

Speaker 2: Right?

Speaker 1: I'm not growing up. And that 63 thing, I'm just like, what?

Doesn't make any sense, man. You know? I would love

to tell everybody I'm 25, but it just doesn't work

that way. So anyway, back. We've got an amazing week

coming up. And also the next month on Fade to Black,

what Michelle has done has been absolutely incredible. So it's

going to be great. Everybody, just thank you for the

birthday stuff. And it was a very busy, very crazy

last 10 days. So let's get things started tonight. Dr.

Mona Lisa Coburn is with us. And here's the thing. Now,

before I get into a long introduction for Mona Lisa,

all of her books, Amazon, links to everything that she

does is below. We've got that and over on our

website and throughout social media. So you can go and

do that. But tonight we're going to talk about her

and her extraordinary journey. Not that we're going to start

with alien abductions, but NDEs, astral projections going to come

into play. Going to do a little channeling or talk

about it. We'll see where that goes. And her teachings

on one consciousness and how she got there. We're going

to do all of that and much more. I would

like to welcome for the first time to Faded Black, Dr.

Mona Lisa Colburn. She's right there. Mona Lisa. Mona Lisa.

Speaker 3: Hey, thank you for inviting me. What a beautiful, warm welcome.

And I love your intro. It was just full of energy.

So I feel like I'm all full of energy, ready

to go.

Speaker 1: Oh, you know what? See, now I've been gone for

10 days, so I'm a little rusty. You get the

first time guest disclaimer. So let's get that out of

the way. You're not going to get it the next

time you're on the show, which is this. Mona Lisa.

Speaker 3: Mona Lisa.

Speaker 1: It's just you and I sitting on my couch having

a conversation as friends. And where the conversation starts, it starts.

Where it ends, it ends. But we're going to end

as friends. Now, you have to accept so we.

Speaker 3: Can move on. I accept.

Speaker 1: I accept. Are you one of those that just clicks

on the agreement and you don't read the fine print?

Speaker 3: No, I have my producer in front.

Speaker 1: That's a good answer. That's a good answer. I need

to hire. Um, so, uh, my accountant, so Jimmy, you've

got a lot of employees.

Speaker 3: Yes.

Speaker 1: Who is this customer agreement reader? Dude, I have to

have him. Oh man. Oh geez. Yeah. Um, I was

going to crack another joke about that, but yeah, you know, it's,

it's sometimes in, in today's society, everything is just moving

so fast. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's crazy. And I

don't know how we can slow it back down, but

we'll find a way we'll find a way. Are you

frustrated with that? As we get into this, where you're

on a journey, And you're teaching. You're of service to others.

That's what you do. But you also have a life

too as well. Have you managed to slow it down?

Speaker 3: I live every day pretty much in paradise and heaven

on earth. I live in the forest. I live with

my ravens. The squirrels. Every now and then I'll see

a bear and they're so cute. Um, so that's how

I slow it down. The reason why it feels like

things are going faster is because, um, we are, our

consciousness is opening up and that's letting more light in.

And so as we become, I want to say more

cosmic beings, then, um, it does feel like things are

going faster and you know what? I'm, I'm good with it.

I am at the place in my life. What I

finish in a day gets finished. If not, there's always

tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1: My procrastinating, but needs to, that's how I live my life.

Speaker 3: Yeah, man.

Speaker 1: You know what? I can do it tomorrow. I can

do that tomorrow. But I, and, and, and especially when

it comes to, you know, the, the birthday time of year,

especially as you start to get older, you, you do,

it's like, man, I just had a birthday. Wasn't Christmas

last week. It's Christmas again. It's weird how this pace

is starting to pick up and I'm, I'm not enjoying it.

I'm not, I'm not, I've tried to simplify my life

the best that I can trying to get rid of

the riffraff and And all of that doesn't seem to

be helping.

Speaker 3: So all I know is I'm enjoying the ride.

Speaker 4: For me, if you get a lot rid of a

lot of clutter, and I'm talking about material things, sometimes

that will really help.

Speaker 3: Because the energy is smoother instead of like bouncing off.

different colors and different frequencies. So if you have a

lot of clutter around, you might want to take a

room or two and declutter it one at a time.

Speaker 1: I don't have stuff. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3: You have the most beautiful guitar collection I've ever seen.

Speaker 1: You know what? I had friends over this weekend. And

there's always going to be somebody that's new, right? That's

never been here. And I get great enjoyment. when people

walk into the studio and go, what?

Speaker 3: What?

Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I, it's, it's, it's,

I have a few vices and certainly, obviously this is

one of them, but it's also, it's, it's not done

with a lot of vanity. It's my life, right?

Speaker 3: And that brings your frequency up. That's not the kind

of clutter I'm talking about. I'm talking about like someone

has an office and it's just, it's full of papers

that they stick in different piles because they mean to

go through it. And it, you know, it's not, you know,

They haven't gone through it in two or three years.

It's those kind of things. Books on the shelves that

are just collecting dust. And you know you're never going

to read them, but you haven't let them go either.

That sort of thing.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. What's that TV show, Hoarders,

which I've never seen? I watched maybe 15 minutes of

one episode. And I was so uncomfortable. It was like, okay,

I've seen enough. I know what not to do. You

know what I mean? Because all of us, and this

includes you and everybody listening, we're all a step away

from that. We all are. We all are. You just

have to be aware. Have to be aware. Let's talk

about you for a second. And how this all got

started and alien abductions is one of my favorite things

to talk about and, and experiencers and, and what they have. I,

I don't think I've been abducted. I may have been

on a ship or two. I don't know. That was

all done in regression. Consciously. I haven't, but, I've certainly

witnessed and seen enough things and interviewed enough people to

know that the phenomenon itself is real. For you, let's

go back to your first experiences with the abduction phenomenon.

Was that your introduction into all of this?

Speaker 3: No. My introduction into all of this, I was kind

of born with knowing that aliens were real. And I

remember at 16, I told my boyfriend, I said, um,

I'm only going to date you if, if you understand that, um,

aliens are real and you don't drink. Cause my father

was a alcoholic and he's like, okay, fine. I won't drink.

And you say aliens are real. Okay. I, the real, um,

it just made sense to me that, uh, we're not

the only humans, um, in the whole cosmos. And where

did the burning bush out of the Bible come from? Um,

I remember, uh, one time my husband and I were

talking about it and he goes, you know, you always

used to cry to go home. You always used to

cry at the weirdest times. Um, during, we've been married

44 years and, um, He was that boyfriend at 16,

by the way. So you always just used to want

to go home. Well, didn't know it then, but I

turned out to be a Mintuckin starseed. And what that

to me, what a starseed to me is, it means

that your essence, your soul for the first time when

it breathes life wasn't on planet earth. Um, you, you

had other lives before plant, you came to your soul,

decided to come and play the earth game. Now I've

been here quite a number of years, um, as I

think most of us have. So it was just a knowing. Um,

and then I think my team and my team is

my angels. It's my guides. I have a, quite a

large team, um, of angels and guides. And I want

to thank them. I can't thank them enough for all

that they do for me. But they set me up

my entire life. When I was about 13, I remember

astral projecting one night. And of course, I didn't know

what it was or what I was doing. It was

something I know that I used to do as a child.

I've had clients since then that say, Hey, you know, I,

I used to do that too. So I remember as

a child, we lived way out in the country and

there was no lights on the streets. And I remember flying.

So this would be just my consciousness, right? Flying up

and down the darkened streets. And one night, I remember

flying and I was starting to go over the Golden

Gate Bridge. And we lived in Napa, California, which is

about an hour and a half from the Golden Gate Bridge.

And I remember flying. I was about to fly over

the Golden Gate Bridge, thinking how beautiful it was. And

I could feel the air. It felt real. And I thought,

why am I way out here over the Golden Gate Bridge?

And I looked down and my dad had a very

unique classic truck. And I looked down and I saw

his truck on the Golden Gate Bridge. And I'm like, hmm,

what's my dad's truck doing on the bridge? And about

that time, the phone rang in our house. And of course,

this is like 1977, 78. And I remember it shook

me back in my body. And I woke up and

I'm listening to the phone. And I wondered who was

on the phone in the middle of the night. And

of course, back in those days, it's mainly you receive

bad news, right?

Speaker 1: It's bad news. Bad news.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm waiting. My mom walks down the hall.

And I say, mom, who was on the phone? And

she goes, oh, it was nothing. It was just the cops.

They stopped some boys on the Golden Gate Bridge because

they were joyriding your father's truck.

Speaker 1: Shut up.

Speaker 3: No, that's a true story. That's a true story.

Speaker 1: And so it wasn't the bad ending. I felt coming. OK,

so that's OK. OK.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 1: So how old you were? You were 13.

Speaker 3: I was, yeah, I was right around 13. Yeah.

Speaker 1: How do you process that?

Speaker 3: So I tried to talk to my mom about it.

My mom's had one to-go answer for all these weird

things I did. Oh, teenage girls can do that. Because

the next thing that happened of significance to me, I'm

about probably a little bit older and maybe 16, and

I have... terrible stomach issues. And one night, once again,

in the middle of the night, I'm in terrible pain.

And I crawl from my bedroom floor down the hall

to the slight left to their bedroom door. I'm trying

to knock and to scream, but I was in such pain.

I remember collapsing. And when I collapsed, I popped out

of my body. I remember my mom opening the bedroom door,

looking at me down at my closet's body and kind

of screaming. And then I'm above my body thinking, mom, like,

where did you go? And I remember my brother from

the opposite side of the hall opened up his bedroom door,

looked at me and said, oh, she's faking it. And

it was so real. All these years later, I still

remember it. and he goes back in his bedroom and

I'm thinking, what? You know, I feel like me, I

feel whole. I do feel bigger somehow. I feel like

there's no, we had low roofs. They were eight foot

ceilings at the most. And I feel like I'm way,

way above my body looking down at me. And I

got probably my first download. And I used to tell people,

you know, I, um, I felt like someone told me,

you're okay. It's not your time yet. But I felt

surrounded in this white light. And looking back, it was

like a feeling, a knowing that I'm okay. It's not

my time yet. But I do remember thinking, maybe I

do want to go toward the light. And my father

opened up the bedroom door, peeked and said, you're not

kidding me. And he shut the door, right? And now

I'm thinking, wait a minute, no one's here to help me.

I feel like, you know, in my, I'm having this

conversation and to myself, maybe I really, really want to

turn and go to the light. Cause that's all I

remember learning about near death experiences is that people would

turn and go to the light. And I felt it

like surrounding me. And I'm like, maybe if I turn

my head, it would be brighter in that direction. And

I could just go to the light. But once again,

I got the download. You're okay. It's not your time yet.

And about that time, my dad opens up his bedroom door.

He picks up my body crumpled on the floor like

a sack of potatoes. And he starts running down the

hall toward the car. And like a bolt of lightning,

I remember me going back into my body. And what

a shock that was.

Speaker 1: What was wrong with you? What happened?

Speaker 3: I had a bleeding ulcers. I had bleeding ulcers. So yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Were you, can I ask you, I'm not making light

of this at all, but were you someone like the

boy that cried wolf? Did you, you know what I mean?

For your brother to say she's faking it. Right. And, and,

and so, and you're observing this. Was it, they weren't

taking you serious because you were prankster.

Speaker 3: My parents had no clothes on. And so they had

to shut the door to get dressed.

Speaker 1: Okay.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Speaker 1: So they get a pass card. They get a pass card.

What about your brother?

Speaker 3: And, and, and my brother, um, that's just who he,

he is and who he was. And, um, I, I

remember one time I was in a hot air balloon and,

And I'm going in this hot air balloon. I won

a Bible school thing for memorizing the most Bible verses.

So I got a free hot air balloon ride. And

I remember him telling everyone, oh, she's scared to death.

Here I am in the balloon thinking, this is the

best time I've ever had in my entire life. So

he was just being him, you know. So my brother

was just being my brother. And so, yeah.

Speaker 4: And.

Speaker 1: Back to the NDE. Yeah. You've had a lot of

time to reflect, but let's go back to that period, though.

Did you understand what was happening and what did happen?

Speaker 3: No. So my understanding in that time, you have to understand,

was from a Christian lens. I was knee deep in

a very kind of strict Christian belief. And so what

I thought happened was I was on my way to heaven.

And that's all I thought. Okay, heaven's real. I was

almost there, right? And so I really didn't think anything

of it. I really, at that moment, did not think

anything of it. It didn't get me on a certain

path because I was a Christian. And I just thought, okay,

that's just part of the experience of going to heaven. Um,

that's it. I, I did for a while. It gave

me like, I want to say an anchor that I

knew that heaven was real because I was real outside

of my body. And so, um, I was talking, um,

to a shaman today and said, um, you know, during college, um,

I took a lot of science classes, anatomy, uh, chemistry, um, psychology,

advanced psychology for a while. Um, I ended up being

a special education teacher and a special education master's degree.

But for a while I thought I'm a long story short,

I'm going to become a nurse. Um, and it's like

all the science teachers lined up at that particular university

and said, we're going to make sure no matter what they, um,

They understand when they die, there's nothing left. And so

all my questions about the NDE, they said, well, you know,

that's just neurons firing. They're just making it pleasant for you.

Your body has a way of making it sweet for

you when you pass. So there's not the sting of death.

And so I kind of bought into that for a

while also. But the thing is.

Speaker 1: Let me jump in. Let me jump in. My NDEs, plural,

I didn't know.

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 1: I was just in a cool place. I was in

a coma in the hospital, and they kept resuscitating me

for about four days. And the NDE experience itself, I

didn't know. I didn't even know I was in a coma.

I didn't know that I had died a bunch of times.

I didn't know any of this. When I had come

out of the coma, there was a priest, black by

the way, had the collar on. He's sitting next to

me reading the Bible. And I like opened my eyes

and moved and he jumped. I scared him. He scared me.

And I've got IVs and I've got all this stuff and,

and I don't know where I am. And, and he's yelling,

he's alive. He's alive. Uh, so anyway, I didn't find

out for two weeks that I had, you know, died

a lot. I didn't know what I did. did remember

when he was hitting the buttons and all the doctors

come running in and I'm seeing all of this I

tried to go back I did I did I closed

my eyes I was like I wanted to go back

to that dream I was dreaming because it was wonderful.

I didn't know for two weeks. And I remember back

to your point, and I think it's an important one

for people that go through this. Once I found out,

and then I started to think about the heaviness of

the situation and the implications and what all of this

really meant, and I was young, I was 20. I

wasn't even drinking age, right? Like you. you know, you're young.

And so almost immediately I knew that I wanted to

go and do stuff and I wanted to make a difference.

That was, that was it. I, and it's a tremendously

huge ego type of thing to, to say this now, but,

but back then I just felt like There's got to

be a purpose and a purpose for me. And I

want to institute change. I don't know how I'm going

to do it. But that's what I got out of it.

Speaker 3: I think that's beautiful. I think that's quite a lot.

And no, they had to keep hitting me with different hammers.

They did.

Speaker 1: When you have, well, see, but that's the thing. when

you have a foundation that comes from education and science, right?

And that whole reductionist, very pragmatic, direct way of, they

think it's a sensible answer to everything that, Oh no,

you just shut off. Right. Okay.

Speaker 4: All right.

Speaker 1: It's chemistry. And I'm, I'm sitting on, I rolled over my, my,

my headphone my ear so it's pulling it's pulling it's

pulling on the back of my head i've got it

fixed but well that's a hard foundation to change isn't.

Speaker 3: It yeah what really helped was um my my sister

died um and uh we were very close very very

very close And so the next, um, hammer, if you will, uh, she,

she passed and, um, I was 34 and she was

44 and she was mentally, um, disabled and physically disabled

and severely physically disabled time. She passed the last about

10 years. She had Parkinson's. So, um, I loved her very,

very much. And, um, she passes away. And so I,

I still, I'm still going to church. I have hope, right.

You know, I'm going to church. I have hope that,

you know, heaven is real. And this God thing is real. Um,

even though I kind of feel like it's, you know,

it was, uh, kind of taught, but I'm like, there's

something more. There's just, I felt in my heart, in

my gut, there is something more. And so she passes

away and I'm driving down this little road. It's curvy.

And I didn't understand. I'm sound asleep, meaning I'm not,

you know, I don't understand yet that we are a

soul having a human experience. I understand it from a

Christian point of view that I'm human and my soul

resides within me. And so this particular day, my baby's

next to me as I'm driving down this road. I

have one hand, my right hand's on the steering wheel.

And I used to tell people, it was like I

saw her out the car window. Well, she was standing

in blue robes and she looked beautiful. She was no

longer crumpled up or anything. And she said, slow down.

And I heard it so loud and saw her so

clearly out loud i said what did you say and

she said slow down and mom needs you too so

i put my left hand on the stern wheel as

well and i turned the little mountain road the corner

fully expecting to see a big truck or something in

my lane and um what happened was the baby car

seat and all flies and hits my right hand. And

I grabbed the baby, uh, with my right hand and

I pull over safely in me and my daughter, of

course are fine. Uh, so my sister saved our lives. Well,

the second part of that and mom needs you too.

I'm still a little bit brainwashed, right? I could hear my, uh,

Certain people in my family and my teachers saying, you know,

you just made that up. You know, you just made

that up. So, but anyway, I didn't sleep that night.

And I remember my mom said she got up at

7 a.m. I called right at 7. And I said, hello, mom,

how are you? She goes, I am fine today. Funny

you asked. I cried all day yesterday asking questions. for

God to show me a sign that your sister was okay.

So at that point I told my mom and we

had a good cry together. And so there she goes,

there are the sign I asked for, but it was

given to you. As I do this work, this is

how spirit normally works. They'll do with the biggest bang

where they're buck. meaning that when I do mediumship for people,

and especially if they're in groups, I may only get

a reading for two or three people, but it affects

the entire audience, right? They know just who to bring

in and how to bring it in so that those

who need it the most, it's just not for the

person getting the reading, it's for the entire group. So that...

was kind of like part of my awakening from that moment. Yeah,

that'll do it.

Speaker 1: That'll do it, won't it?

Speaker 3: Yeah. And so a couple months later, I had my abduction.

And what at that moment that I remember of my–

I'm going to tell you first what I remember– at

that moment, which wasn't a lot, not a lot. And

then I'm going to take you, I'll let you know,

I had flashbacks and stuff. Then I'll take you what

I remember through hypnotherapy. Does that sound good?

Speaker 1: Go, go.

Speaker 3: Sounds great. Okay. So what I remember about it consciously

really wasn't that much. I'm, uh, lying in bed next

to my husband.

Speaker 1: Um, and, uh, where, where was this?

Speaker 3: This was at our home in, uh, Cameron park on,

on a particular house that, that we lived in on

fairway drive. And at that time we have three young kids.

Speaker 1: So Northern, Northern California.

Speaker 3: Northern California. And so, and you have to stand, um,

My team has let me know that this was a

soul agreement. My husband wasn't taken because it wasn't part

of his soul agreement. Because I'm like, I heard this

happens in families. Well, it happens in families, but it

wasn't part of his soul agreement. So anyway, what happened

was that particular night that I remember is all of

a sudden I felt like I'm surrounded by light, love.

And the only way I used to describe it is

I felt like I was in the presence of source.

And so I'm thinking, oh, this is all about my

sister who just died. And I said, why did you

take my dreams for me? Because even then, that was

like one way I used to be able to do

lucid dreaming. So if you want to talk about lucid

dreaming in a bit, we can. So suddenly I can't

lucid dreaming. Suddenly I don't have my dreams and I'm

just going to sleep. And I wake up, I'm like,

no dreams, really? This is how I navigate my world

was through my dreams. And I asked this presence, I said,

why did you take my dreams for me? I got

to protect you. And I said, I only wanted to

make her happy. And the voice I heard clearly in

my third ear, Not your job. And I received, to

me it was, in my heart, my first true download.

I understood that my job is me and that it

wasn't my job. It's not my job to make other

people happy. We can be way showers and we can

show them the way. but, um, not my job means

it's not my job to make another person happy. That

was kind of like my first download. And so I

wake up with the jolt and, um, my husband wakes

up at the same time and he flings up and

he says, he saw like this beam of light leaving

me and going through the ceiling. And, um, uh, we

always wondered what was that beam of light that was

leaving me from, and just like flying out of the ceiling. Um,

and so, um, after that, I started having these dreams where, um, I, uh,

had a child and a child was taken from my stomach. Um, I, uh, eventually, um,

And I know that this child has been raised by

other family members. And also consciously, I forgot to mention

that right after that, within a couple months, I felt

like I was really pregnant. And I'm like, okay, this

is baby number four. I'm very unplanned. And so I'm

going through all this. I'm going to be a mom again.

And I feel like I'm before I might experience my

second abduction. I think, you know, I'm going to have

to go to the doctor. But my husband had gotten

his snip snip operation. And so I guess we played

around too soon.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 3: And so it's like, there's nothing we can do about it.

So we're like, okay, we'll just, you know, brace ourselves

for child number four. And so we're going with our

lives and I'm, I just have these flashbacks that, um, um, I'm,

I'm playing with the, this, uh, child and, um, And

then I'm not one of the flashbacks in the dream

world was I would have this tea party with this

little girl that was mine, but I didn't raise. But

we would meet there and we'd have these tea parties.

So this is the dream world. So I started having

these kind of dreams. And I always wondered where they're

coming from. And, um, I had my awakening and I

begin to, uh, study mediumship and channeling. Cause I channel,

I channel one consciousness. Um, and so I can start

talking to my guides now.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 3: Think about it. Um, yeah. So I can talk to

my guides. I can talk to my higher self. And

I'm like, where do you.

Speaker 1: Think you need? We're losing your mind. Um, You can

say yes or you can say no, but. Well, I mean,

that's a lot to handle, isn't it? That's a lot

of stuff.

Speaker 3: You have to understand this was so slow for me.

Think of a big bowl of unpopped popcorn, one kernel

at a time, because there has been someone in our

family history, one person I know of that had mental

problems and i i didn't want to be one of

them right i was going to make sure sure i

learned everything possible how to be a medium because as

a child looking back um i had a lot of

medium experiences people would die and i would receive messages

and i'd write them write them down and then i

would hand them to the loved one this is what

your dad said when he passed but i didn't say, hey,

you know, go to them and say, your dad gave

me this message. I would always write them down. It

was like a safety blanket for me. My sister, who

was a little more open, my older one who passed,

and she's laughing right now, by the way, she thinks

this is a hoot, that everyone in the family would

call her a witch because she knew about spirituality and

she never told me about it. She never said, you know,

I know about um, spirituality, but she studied it and, um,

she knew enough to tell me things like, uh, you know, um,

words have power. Watch what, what you say, but that

was it. I'm like, okay, that's my sister, you know,

just being my sister. How else was my going to

take it? Um, and they, behind her back, they would,

they would call her a witch. And I knew that

wasn't a good thing So, um, um, as I studied

mediumship and I studied channeling, um, I wanted to keep it,

I'm going to say pure and for the highest, the

highest good. So that was my intent. Now, normally when

I hear someone, it's more of a download. The glyphs

is there. It's an inner knowing. Rarely do I get

what I call clear audience and clear audience is hearing

in your third ear. Like, um, Often, like if I

was to do a group reading, how I hear them,

it might be in my own voice or just knowing

what they're saying at this point. So clear audience isn't

when I hear it. I know it's very real and

spirit really wants to get their message across. There's no playing.

Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question real quick?

Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1: When you were told that words have power and words

have meaning, where does the power come from? I'm asking

because let's say cup, right? Okay. So cup is a

simple word, but could the way that I say it,

can the intention have a different meaning? And when you

say words have power, you know, what, what, what gives

the words power?

Speaker 3: It is your intention and your frequency behind it.

Speaker 1: Got it.

Speaker 3: It's the intention and the frequency behind it. So if, if, uh,

you wish someone a, um, a blessed day, but that's

not your intention and that's not how you say it,

you know, there's an undercurrent, um, I like to look

at it is that all that there is knows you,

you can't trick all that there is. Right. Um, and

so to me, all that there is, um, I call, um,

source energy, all that is because the first time I

channeled Archangel Michael, that's what I said, why do you

guys call God?

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 3: There's so many names. He goes, all that is, it

covers everything. And I'm like, well, if I'm going to

teach people that I, you got to give me more

words than all that is. And they, they're like, say

it's everything, everywhere, everyone, there's nothing excluded. And so, um,

and that at the basic level, all that is, is energy.

And so you can even break it down to all

that is, is light and frequency.

Speaker 1: Um, and so, uh, You know what's weird about saying that?

Because you're right. I agree. But science wants to say

the same thing, right? That the fundamental thing to everything is,

you know, it's energy and it's light and it's waves.

And that's the fundamental.

Speaker 3: So a lot of science now, some scientists like the

quantum physics are beginning. They talk a lot about consciousness, right?

But my team has told me that science and spirituality,

the bridge is consciousness. It's what's in between them. It's

what puts them together. It's what makes a whole system.

And that science will, when science figures out the holiness, H-O-L-I,

the holiness of consciousness, then they will have complete whole

systems and a lot of their solutions and problems will

be solved beyond their imaginations because they will understand the

complete systems and their systems will be complete once they

recognize this consciousness.

Speaker 1: You know, another interesting part about that, and it's something

that I think about and I talk about a lot.

I'm trying to figure it out. is that young scientists...

physics whatever chemists biologists doctor young are still staying in

their lanes as you get older right it's those older

scientists As they start to realize that there's something else

going on.

Speaker 3: Yeah, that reminds me of the NASA scientist. There was

a NASA scientist, Barbara Brennan or something. So she was

a NASA scientist. She left to be a healer because

she said, you know, humans are frequency beings. And so

she left that one realm to the other. And my

team has given me the guidance of, souls as they

live from 0 to 40 often they have a lot

of path work to do and so we're actually made

a lot of us not to waken up to after

40 meaning.

Speaker 1: That they also believe the dogma yeah they're not old

enough or experienced enough to know that they've been taught

a lot of bullshit Right. If you know what I mean,

they haven't figured that part out yet.

Speaker 3: No. And so some of the young ones now, because

they are being born into higher consciousness, will figure out

a lot sooner. And some of them will just know.

But it's going to take time for this to happen.

But you're absolutely right. So often my team has said,

you know, those under 40, are just figuring it out.

You know what I mean? And so it's, it's their

soul path. Um, and so you might have someone who's

under 40, who's dealing with an addiction, let's say, um,

and their awakening, uh, you know, their higher self knows at,

at 44, they're going to get in a car accident

and that's going to help help them with their awakening

or something like that. But yeah. Um, but more and

more though, um, there are younger people having their consciousness,

realizing that they are eternal souls. And their humanness is

just a little crystalline piece of it. We're the little

Merkabah piece in the middle of our soul, which is

the shape of a huge fear.

Speaker 1: I love that. Let's go back to your abduction before

we're going to hit a break here in a few minutes.

You said that you, you went through regression therapy. Yeah.

Speaker 3: So that's when it started all coming together. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Fill me in. What happened? What did you learn?

Speaker 3: So, um, I, I had already known. And so that

I was abducted because my higher self said one, number one,

you have, they have audience has to understand. There's a

lot of time we're talking about, um, about 20 years

between my abduction and me figuring everything out. And during

that time, I had my awakening. During that time, I

began to meditate and to channel. And part of the

people that I began to channel, I'm like, well, if

I can meditate and channel, talk to my guides, I

wonder if I can talk to a hybrid child. And

so I thought I had according to my dreams and

my lucid dreams, I had this hybrid child named Simon.

So I go into meditation one day before my hypnotherapy

and I say, Simon, are you real? Are you there?

And I do my little thing and I got, well,

I prefer the name Rock. They call me Rock because

that's what Simon means, stubborn as a rock. So my

close friends, we don't have names here, but Some of them,

sometimes they refer to me as rock. And we started

having this conversation, right? Through meditation. And so that's how

I met Simon. And then I'm like, okay, do I

have any more hybrid children? And I'm like, well, there

was a girl. And I remembered I had in my dreams,

in my lucid dreams, I would have a tea party

with this girl. And so I go into meditation. And

at first when I received Wave, because my mind couldn't

make sense of it, Wave came in as a cartoon character,

but very bubbly and happy. And I remember one time

she thought it was a very big deal. She showed

me her nails. She had painted her nails. She was, look,

I did something that you do on earth. You know,

I painted my nails. And so I met Wave. And

that was it. I'm like, I got to go have

a hypnotherapy. I've got to find out what really happened.

So I have a friend that we do hypnotherapy back

and forth. So I have met my other, I call

them my brothers and sisters from my future lives, my

past lives. I understand at this point in my evolution,

they're not me, but because we share the same oversoul,

And when you go into hypnotherapy, you get to see

their life kind of from your over souls point of view.

So it feels like your life, but it's not. For instance,

the person that I was directly before this life, she

died in 1962 at the top of August. I was

born at the, at the end of August. But anyway, um,

I call her Jeannie and, um, So, uh, Jeannie, um, we,

we kind of have a relationship and, um, we serve

as a quote kind of guide for each other, but, um, um, uh,

she had, um, through hypnotherapy, I've had experienced her life

is a whole point. So I tell my friend it's time.

Let's do the abduction one. She goes, why? I said, yeah,

you know, I, I have hybrid children. I've had to

have an abduction or two. And so, um, she goes,

how that works.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 3: And so, and so, um, uh, she puts me under

and I, uh, and the first picture I recall is

I'm kind of like floating in And I feel like

I have just moved through, I want to say through

the walls of my house and I'm in the air.

And I kind of feel like I can see like

something bright, maybe a ship. I'm not really sure, but

I know I'm floating. And I'm like, and in the

hypnotherapy session, I'm like, I think I just went through

my wall. I think I just went through the wall,

the wall of my house, the wall. You know, I

was like stuck in that. I just couldn't get over it.

And so bleep, bleep, time goes. And next picture, I

remember it's bright hallway. And I don't know where the

light's coming from. But it's a bright hallway. And there's

two short aliens on either side of me. And I

remember looking down. And you can call them greys if

you want. But it seemed to me that their little

fingers were more green. More green. been gray to me.

I remember they had little wrinkles in their little fingers. And, um,

I remember being so scared. I remember I was only

wearing a night shirt and it really bothered me. My

night shirt, you know, uh, barely came to my mid thigh.

So that was bothering me. I was in my night

shirt and I was so scared I could hardly walk.

But when they took my hand, there was something about it.

And I remember walking with them. And then, um, The

next picture I'm shown is I'm on this table, the

notorious medical table, and somehow I have no clothes on.

And they are about to take eggs from me, my womb,

and I pop out of my body. So now I'm

looking down at me. I'm looking down at my body

on the medical table and this alien who had to

be really tall because she looked at me eye to eye.

She had a kind of a triangle face, big black eyes.

She said, get back in your body. Oh, I said, no.

Speaker 1: Wow.

Speaker 3: She goes, get back. She told me twice to get

back in my body. And I'm like, no.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 3: You know, I kind of know this game. I can

pop out of my body all day long. Right. And

so the next thing I was shown is that there's

little pin light coming toward me and it gets bigger

and bigger. And right in front of me is at

this point, I know him very, very well, but you

have to understand if I would have had this hypnotherapy

session two years prior, I wouldn't have known who it was.

This is Nick. He's a seven and a half foot lion,

Lyran being. He's Lyran and Palladian. And I know him

very well. Fact is, he doesn't really have a name.

At one point, I asked him during ceremony. if I

can name him Nick. And he said, yes. So anyway,

I call him Nick. And during the hypnotherapy session, so

he's right there. He goes, let me show you something.

So he takes me in my consciousness and he shows

me some place that I have given a little lecture

on one consciousness. And he waves his hand which is

a very beautiful lioness type hand. And there are the

hybrid children in the back rows. And he takes me

to another place that I've already given a lecture on

one consciousness. And he does the same thing. He waves

his hand and those are the out of phase or

the hybrid children in the back row. And then he

takes me to the third spot, and I'm doing the

same thing, but this time when I'm giving the lectures,

it's more an intimate setting, like perhaps someone's house or

my house that I don't own. I haven't done this

one yet. And he does the same thing. And there's

a couple of hybrid children in the back, but there

aren't children by the way. So the hybrid children, um,

a lot of them would like to be four to

500 years. So when we talk about children, um, for instance,

two of mine are like, uh, 28 and 29 years old.

They're going to be children for a long time, right?

Because they live a long time. But, um, the download

on that was that they were checking out consciousness. Are

we ready? Cause I'm teaching one consciousness. So is the

audience who's listening, are they understanding what one consciousness is? Um,

are people receptive to it? Are they learning? Um, And so, um,

that's what I got. Um, and the next thing I know, um, I'm, uh, uh,

the next memory of that is I pop up in

bed and that was that night that Charlie and I

had that.

Speaker 1: Um, I thought.

Speaker 3: That's them returning me. That's them returning me. Um, and

so that was that, that was the first abduction. The

second one she asked.

Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We'll do

that when we come back after the break. Woo, man.

Speaker 3: Wow.

Speaker 1: You know, I'm just going to say, Nick, showing you

that they are listening to your presentation, right?

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 1: That's kind of heavy. You know what I mean? That's

a lot of responsibility. Words have power. right?

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 1: So, so Mona Lisa, your second abduction experience, what happened?

Speaker 3: Um, so what I was shown was that once again,

I was taken at night from my bed. Um, and

as silly as it's the little things, you know, that it,

cause it's the emotional connections. I think, um, that one, um, uh, uh,

I was wearing a set of PJs and, um, they

led me to a room with the table and they,

they learned, they put me to sleep. So, yeah. So, um,

the download that I received from that one is that

there was a, um, a doctor and, um, through vibrations,

They know how to, because we think we're solid beings.

We are made of, I don't know if your listeners

have heard of the 99.99% rule. So what that means

is that we're made of, you know, trillions of atoms

and about seven octillion atoms, right? So we're made of

trillions of cells and the cells are made of atoms. So,

And in these, in each atom, there's a nucleus in

the center. So if you blow up a nucleus to

the size of a grain of sand and pretend that

you put it dead center in the most beautiful football

stadium that's empty, right, that you've ever seen. And around

the perimeter of the football stadium is the electrons. So

they're not stable. They're moving around. Between that electron, and

it depends, you know, what kind of atom it is,

how many electrons it has. Between the electron or the

electrons in that nucleus is 99.99% space. And that's what

we're made up of. So what's in that space? Well,

it's consciousness, right? So my team has said, you know,

consciousness is the internet between all things in all things.

And so we're a lot of space, right? So it

turns out that they're doctors. You want to know how

the subductions, how the babies are taken at least. So

I was pregnant from, I was pregnant all of November, December, January,

and part of February for four months, about four months.

And so they, The their surgeons know how to vibrate.

So to go into us and without instruments, right, with

their hands and go into our bodies because we're not real.

You know, we're made up of this this light. So

our bodies are made up of light and frequency and

they know how to vibrate and to get into it

and to pull out the uterus. And so that's all

that happened, which was quite a bit right for the,

for the second abduction. And the last abduction I was actually,

I was giving, uh, the memory of when it happened

was I was actually outside jogging. And I remember looking

down the street thinking, Oh, what a beautiful sunset, but

the sun doesn't come up in that direction. I mean,

not sunset sunrise. What, you know, what a pretty sunrise

we're having. Um, But the next thing I remember is,

you know, I'm back. I'm back home right down the street.

I don't remember that jog at all. I don't remember

the rest of it. What happened? And what happened during

that last abduction was I was able to hold rock.

I held rock. So the last abduction happened in May.

My first one was in October of 96th. My second

one was in February when the child was taken from me.

And then I held Rock in May. And so that

was a big concern when I woke up and I

started having communication with the hybrid children. And what they

taught me was so profound. It all has to do

with one consciousness, but to understand in our deepest sleep,

in our deep realm sleep, those mothers, those fathers who

want a relationship with their child, you can have them

in your deep sleep. So those quote dreams I had

in the tree house, um, uh, uh, I was shown

later with wave, you know, yeah, uh, she, through, um,

remote viewing, uh, through remote viewing, she showed me a

place on the ship that they have trees and she

showed me that's the tree house. That's the tree house

that we have, that we have tea in it. Um, so, um,

you know, I, I've learned quite, quite, uh, a bit from,

from the hybrid children. I generally channel, um, uh, Gabe

and Gabe is a communication specialist. Um, it's only when

I do in mainly, mostly just meditation when I have

these conversation with, with them, because, um, uh, Gabe has

told me it's kind of like, um, uh, think, think

of a puppy and, um, you go to work all day,

you come home and the puppy has, uh, shoot up

all your shoes. Well, the puppy doesn't know it's done

anything bad. Doesn't understand when you say, Hey, don't chew

my shoes anymore. The puppy doesn't understand that there's a, uh,

because of earth is so different than where they are.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 3: Um, it's, it's just a, um, an out of wave

at this point has not been to earth. Simon has

been to earth for a short visit Um, he, he

got to come in for a short visit, um, to earth. And, um, uh, well,

she quote, hasn't been here on the physical level, but

one time we were, um, I was meditating, having a

meditation visit with her, uh, which is all through, uh, tele, uh,

tele empathy, right? and I said, can you give me

some signs that you're real, that this isn't just imagination. And, um,

she gave me two signs. The first sign was I

had a peer that we were doing, uh, practice mediumship

with online. And so I had to leave, uh, that,

that time in the closet and, um, the peer, I

was teaching her how to do, um, mediumship and I,

And she goes, well, I'll give it a try. And

she goes, I'm sorry. The only thing I'm getting is

these waves, like, like water, the water rippling. That's the

only thing I can get. And I almost started crying

because you see that was wave. That's her name.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 3: And so I told her, I said, that's my hybrid

child named wave. And, um, I was so happy. And, um,

after the, uh, the session, I went into the kitchen

and And we have a kitchen island and above it

is the hood. And it's two different buttons. One turns

on the light, one turns on the fan. And I

go into the kitchen. I touch nothing. And the fan

comes on and the light comes on. And my husband

who sat in the other room hears it and sees

it and goes, did you just turn that on? I said, no.

I haven't touched a thing. And both the light and

the hood come on. And we're like, wow, how did

that happen? How did that, because it's two different buttons.

And about that time, one at a time, they turn off.

It's never happened before. It's never happened again.

Speaker 1: What, what, what does your husband think of all of this?

Speaker 3: If it hadn't, have happened slowly so we could digest

it as, as little human beings we are. I think

you would think I'm absolutely nuts, but he is my

biggest fan.

Speaker 1: Right on, right on. I have to ask, I have

to ask these questions. We're all thinking the same thing.

What was, was at one point, was he skeptical?

Speaker 3: Um, Was he skeptical?

Speaker 1: If he's sitting in front of you, don't.

Speaker 3: Oh, my, my, my, we've been married. I want to

give you a, this is a sketch. I did a

wave so your people can see it. This is a sketch.

I did a wave.

Speaker 1: So, so don't change the subject. Let's get back to

your husband.

Speaker 3: Okay. So he absolutely supports me in 110 ways. Zillion percent. Because.

He sees.

Speaker 1: He saw the beam of light. Yeah.

Speaker 3: He saw the beam of light. But more than that.

Every time I make a connection. Whether it's source energy.

Whether it's a dead grandma. Whether it's Jesus Christ. Which

is Yeshua Ben Joseph. By the way. And he sees how.

I am so alive.

Speaker 4: And.

Speaker 3: The information I pull is so real. You can't, I

look at him almost every day and say, you can't

make this stuff up. Like, like one time I asked

Yeshua Ben Joseph, I said, is this stuff real? Or

am I just crazy? He said, look up Ezekiel 3.3.

You look it up. It's a Bible verse that talks

about the person receiving the messages from God and digesting

the truth and letting the stuff go that isn't the truth,

but digesting the spirit, the truth of the spirit. And

you can't make that up, Jimmy. You can't. It's just

so profound, so profound. It just And I just have

them every day. This isn't for me. Today, I'm talking

to you. This morning, I talked to a shaman. Tomorrow,

I might be talking to someone else in a podcast

who's channeling an alien being from a different planet. And

the information I get is just so breathtaking and beautiful

and cosmic. It's just... It's like you can't make this stuff.

It's so real.

Speaker 1: I'm going to say something that's going to offend about

half of the 3,000 people I've interviewed. But I'm going

to say this. I have interviewed the beings being channeled.

Not the channeler, right? I'm sitting in conversation and I've

done it. uh, many, many, many times, those interviews that

I have done with whoever is coming in, right. Or

some of the best interviews I've ever done. Okay. Now

that I'm not, you know, talking, you know, shit about

other people that I've interviewed. No, it's always great. But

when I interview a channeled source, It's incredible. It's, it's incredible.

And you know what? I don't pull punches. No, no,

I'm not throwing softballs. I'm going for it. Oh yeah.

And it's, it's pretty incredible. It's pretty incredible. I don't

know what's going on. I don't, which is going to

be my next question for you. I don't know how

this happens. And I have, So many, how do I

say this? Film directors, writers that have investigated and looked

into this. I've had a lot of conversations with them.

How is this happening? I mean, I know Daryl Anka really,

really well. He's one of my dearest friends. Love that guy.

I have introduced him many times on stage. I've seen

him before, right? We're off to the side of the

stage and then I, you know, bring him up on

stage and Bashar comes through. I see the transition and

with really good channelers out there, I also see that

same transition. I see the same thing happening, but I

don't know how it happens. So what are your ideas

with this? How does channeling How does something like this

happen with a being either off planet or in another galaxy, right?

Speaker 3: So it's all frequency. It's all about frequency. It's all

about frequency. Think of, I tell people, if you think

of me as a radio, and so I might get

a message from what I call my team, Zand. And

if you want to talk to them, you can. Um,

and I just, uh, normally those are the first ones

who come in anyway, and they come in with, with

whatever message, uh, you know, if you have questions, you know, they'll,

they'll stick around until the questions are done, but, um,

it's through frequency. And so when I first started channeling, um,

I channeled my sister and I channeled her, um, She was,

like I said, when she was alive, she was mentally slow.

And I decided it was time that I started verbally channeling.

And so she came in and she taught me a lot.

You know, I said, you know, why, why did you

come in, you know, with disabilities and And one of

the things that she taught me was that, you know,

we come in with disabilities to it really grows our

soul exponentially. We come in with disabilities to like take

one for the team so everyone can appreciate who just

to breathe, to be able to read those basic things.

But I only could channel her for about six months.

And then I tried. And I'm not kidding. I got nothing.

I felt like I was making it up. It was

just like, this wasn't good. She goes, you're not supposed

to be channeling me. And then I got zanned. And

then so, and then zanned my spirit team. And then

they just grew and grew. And to, to the point

where I said, can I channel the hybrid children? I

got a yes. And so it's like, I just, turned

the dial and that's who I get. Um, uh, can

I channel Metatron? I got a yes. And so, but

behind the scenes, you have to understand they all prep

me in the sense that before I channeled Metatron, I

got this, um, this crazy cat that I decided I'm

going to name it Metatron. And you have to understand

how that's working behind the scenes. I, you know what?

I don't know anything about this Archangel named Metatron. And

some people say he's a bad guy. Well, I'm a,

I'm a telephone. I say, Archangel Metatron, can I channel you?

I get a yes. So I channel Metatron and I

get a message from Metatron. That's how it works. It's frequency.

And it's also your heart has to be in a

certain higher vibration. So you can't be sitting in low frequency.

You can, but you're going to get low entities, right?

And I only work with love and light and light

and love. And so how I channel is I get

what I call downloads. You'll see if you want to

pull in Zan and you want to start asking them questions,

you can. They'll come in and ask. But I receive

it from downloads. It's just a pocket of information that

comes from my higher self. So the information comes from

Source Energy, where they all are, right? They're all together

in Source Energy. And higher self sends it to the

physical mind. My mind interprets it and I speak it.

Speaker 1: Can I ask you a doofus question? Because I'm a doofus.

Speaker 3: Please.

Speaker 1: And I'm always trying to learn. So what's on a

lot of people's minds when they're hearing about channeling for

the first time. is an obvious question. It's an innocent question.

Where are these beings? Are they on another planet? Are

they somewhere else? Where do they reside? Are they around us?

So I'm going to ask you that question for those

out there that are possibly hearing about this for the

first time. Where do they exist?

Speaker 3: So you want me to call in Zant and you can.

Speaker 1: Ask him that? No, not yet. Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 3: Okay. So the Mona Lisa answer. Yeah.

Speaker 1: The Mona Lisa answer. Yes.

Speaker 3: Okay. So they are here. They are in a different

frequency than we are. So they can be. So when

I channel quote the hybrid children, they're still on their ship, right?

And they have one person, the communication specialist, right, who

is sending the messages to me while he is on

his ship. It's done through frequency. It's done through frequency.

So if I channel Yeshua ben Joseph or Metatron, understand

the archangels are everywhere. And there's really... nowhere that they're not. Um,

it's just, it's just a frequency. Um, there, we are

third density beings and most of them, um, if they're

on the other side across the veil, like if I

pull in your grandma or, um, uh, an ascended master,

they are six density. That means they have a lot less, um,

dense than we are. They have a lot more light,

a lot more light body, right? And the archangels even have,

they sit at between seventh and eighth density. So they

even have more light and more light. So they have

a lot more light or a lot more source within them.

So we're different densities. So when I say 3D, I'm

not talking about dimensions. Dimensions are mathematical, I'm talking about 3D,

about the density, that's the state of being that we

are in.

Speaker 1: So, and you mentioned this earlier, but we're talking about

densities now, but everything overlaps. You brought up the size

of a nucleus of an atom, right?

Speaker 3: And the electron.

Speaker 1: That is a very profound thing when it comes to

science and the understanding of us, where I don't know

The only way I resolve that is just maybe everything's

a construct.

Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

Speaker 1: That our brain has developed a way to.

Speaker 3: Turn this emptiness into visuals.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 3: So think of sacred geometry is what my team is

giving me right now. So we mirror, there's everything sacred geometry.

There's a micro and a macro mirror. so the stars, okay.

The macro, we are the micro in the sense of

our bodies look like a small consolation with, um, uh,

seven octillion, um, atoms that are putting out this light frequency. So, um,

we are, uh, beings of light in a frequency and

the more higher we go, right. Um, The more we

sit in the heart space, the more light we have

within us. And each density we go into, the fourth

and the fifth, we have more light. We have more

light bodies. And it's very profound. My team calls it

the golden ticket. So we're here having this field trip experience.

So what's a field trip? A field trip is, let's

say we've been a king. We've been homeless. We've had

all these other lifetimes, right? So we're planning out, we

plan out this life here on Master School Room Earth.

We plan it out. So that's why it's a field trip.

We plan out our tough lessons and everything we're going

to have. And then we come down here, we have

our experience and our experience is real, right? But this

life is very much a dream for our soul. And

we take the experience back home with us. That's why

they call it a field trip. So, um, but what's

the end game? Um, I get that question a lot.

What's the point of it all, right? The point of it. Yeah.

The point of it all is to receive a golden

ticket and you want this golden ticket. And it's very simple.

This golden ticket is when you sit in your heart space,

50% of the time for yourself and for others that, um,

then you receive a golden ticket. So when you die,

the moment you die, your frequency is like a snapshot

of vibration, a unique fingerprint. And if it's, if it

shows heart frequency, 50% of the time that you love

yourself and others, you get this golden ticket that you

never have to come back to a third density planet,

whether it's earth, or some other third density planet. And

you can enter fourth density earth or another fourth density planet.

And in fourth density, which is the density right after third,

it's all about love. And the polarities that we experience

here on this planet, they're not so polarized. Here we

have fear. Opposite of fear is love, right? Very dense.

We have war and peace. So if you receive this

golden ticket, then number one, you never have to come back.

If anyone tells you you do, my team says you

do not have to come back, right? Source Energy says

you don't have to come back. You can stay in

heaven forever. But they say, think of a moth in

a light. We all of us, we crave going towards source.

And that the more source we have within us, the

lighter we are. And so how do we make strides

towards source? It's by coming and having these field trips,

whether it's Earth or a different planet, right? And that

grows our soul exponentially. And so that's why we come

to tough schoolroom Earth. We all knew it was going

to be tough. And none of us said, you know,

we're going to get stuck in the mud doing the

things we don't love to do. We said, we thought

it was going to be, you know what? I've played

that game before. I'm going to realize it. I know

that my emotions are my own personal teachers. They're my

own guides. And if I don't like something or something

isn't my truth, I'm going to let it go. And

I'm going to go toward those things that are positive.

And my team calls it the positive energy stream. So

you're going to learn something. your intuition, which by far

more intelligent than the physical brain will ever be. And

as you, why? Because it is tied to your higher self,

who's on the other side, cross the veil and sees

across all time and all distance. And so as you

learn to listen into your intuition and follow the positive

energy stream, that's the only stream that your intuition can

give you. If it is fear-based, if it's negative, it's

from ego. It's from the physical mind that you've been taught.

And there's a limiting belief there. So you have to

learn how to let your limiting beliefs go. And you

have to really examine them and take time and become

a thinker. Your business in your life is to grow

your soul. Your business in this life is to learn

to fall in love with yourself so madly that you

wake up every day in your own paradise. And why not?

These are your trips around the sun. Whoever said you can't? Yeah.

Speaker 1: That is so profound. And I'm far from perfect. I've

got a zillion flaws. Trust me, I'm screwed up. But

I try to do better every single day. And then

I just look at where we are right now as

a species and this planet and how we got here.

We've got a lot of work to do. I mean,

there's a lot. There's a lot. I want to use

a lot of profanity right now, but there's a lot

of crap going on. And, you know, I'm in a

really good place. And I've been tested over these last

couple of months, Mona Lisa. I have been tested, like

for real, where I have now been sitting back asking myself, okay,

what's it all about? Because this kind of testing of

me and my strength, it's wearing me out. Like it's

just too much.

Speaker 3: It's more than to grow your soul. It's to teach

you how to love yourself, love life and to love others. And, um, and, um,

I feel your frequency. You had a really good frequency

by the way. So you have nothing to be concerned

about Jimmy and your team says to remind you that

in your imperfectness, you are perfect in your imperfectness. You're perfect. Um, so, um,

It is really about, so we think when we're on

this self-realization path, which a lot of people are probably

that follow you, that once you get on this path,

you know, your consciousness, you know, you're here and that

your eternal soul, right? You know, you one day you're

going to wake up from the dream and you find

yourself on the other side and you're going to scratch

your head and say, well, that was interesting, right? Once

you know that you're like, what's next? Well, What's next

is you said, once you wake up, I will experience this, that,

and the other. So my love for life and my

love for myself and my love for other beings is

going to go higher and higher because that love, when

you feel it for yourself, raises your frequency in anyone

you will ever meet. And that frequency actually vibrates. my

team has says out into the cosmos far more than

you can, you can phantom. And it's this love that

will grow the peace within you. So you can sit

in true peace. And once you have peace inside of you,

this is how peace on planet earth is made. And so, um,

all that craziness that's happening, those wars and the death

and all, um, It's good in the sense that we're

here on 3D to acknowledge them. And then you say

to yourself, what can I do about them? If you

can truly think of nothing to do, then your business

is your soul and your soul's growth. And you do

what you can do, which is focus on your positive

energy stream, which is to focus on you and grow you.

That's your true business in life.

Speaker 1: It's you.

Speaker 3: It's you. It's to fall in love with yourself completely.

And so, yes, those things do exist. And part of

the reason that they exist is that they're getting rid

of their camera. They exist so that we can see

what we don't want. Who wants war in this day

and age? More and more are seeing that. And from

what I understand, at a certain point, it's called the

tipping point. where there's going to be so much consciousness.

There's like going to be a wave of consciousness and

we're just going to be a quote awakened planet. This

does not mean for my team that everyone will be quote,

you know, want to go down the path, their spiritual path.

It doesn't mean that maybe for someone who's an atheist,

it might mean they finally go and find a church. Right.

And so little steps, right. It might just mean someone

who really loves to hunt, you know, is going to, oh,

maybe I won't kill extra animals, just kill what I

can eat, right? So people are going to grow and

grow their souls their own way. We still have freedom.

We still have that free will. But the point is

that to understand those who are going through the trenches

right now, they're growing their soul. They agreed to that

field trip for one reason. And probably honestly, for a

half a dozen reasons, uh, maybe they're taking one for

their family. Maybe they're taking one so that the rest

of their family can see how senseless it is, right?

How senseless war is. So there are, um, numerous reasons why, um,

the darkness is still happening right now.

Speaker 1: Um, Well, everybody feels, you know, the tension and the

tension and the negativity that truly exists. And right now

we all see it and feel it. But it also

affects you physically and mentally. And your brain really sometimes

can play.

Speaker 3: With you.

Speaker 1: And there's a lesson there. Well, just let me say this.

I'm affected by all of this just like everybody else is.

All right? And I understand that. But then I can

share this experience with everybody. Last week when I rode

to Tombstone with my friends, 14 hours on a motorcycle. Okay,

14 hours. You stop for gas, cup of coffee, 10 minutes,

you're back on the road. 14 hours. And this is

what was amazing to me. 14 hours of not thinking

about the bullshit. 14 hours of no internet. 14 hours

of no news cycle. Nothing. 14 hours of not checking email.

14 hours of texting. 14 hours of that. At the

end of that, When we arrived in Tombstone, it's dark.

We left in the dark. We left LA in the

dark at 5 a.m. We arrive in Tombstone in the

evening at 8 p.m. I was refreshed. You would think

I'd be exhausted and sore and tired. No, my brain

felt great. I felt great. So what does that tell you?

You can feel, it's everything else that's pulling you down. right?

It's not you personally, it's everything else. And if you

just try to disconnect from that as much as you can,

I did it because I had to survive for 14 hours.

You can't let your mind wave on the back of

a Harley for 14 hours. Bad things will happen. But

because of that, right? That was the realization. I'm sitting

there at the campsite. I had to set up a tent.

I'm not staying at the Hilton. I'm sleeping on the

ground with my brothers, right? So we set up camp

and I felt amazing because my brain wasn't getting messed

with for 14 hours. So these are the things that

you're talking about, right? Just get into yourself any way

you can. Yeah.

Speaker 3: When you do things you really love and time goes by,

those are when you're really connected to source energy. Um,

and the camping, oh my gosh, uh, camping, being out

with the trees that those, those are beautiful things that

you can do for yourself. Hiking, um, hiking. Oh my gosh.

It's just a gift you give yourself, right? You unplug, you,

you go climb a mountain. Um, you get all sweaty

and you do, you forget it. And when you look

out across those valleys, when you're hiking, and, uh, you know,

something divine must've made it because otherwise it wouldn't have

been there. Right. And, uh, you can have some of

the most profound, um, realizations when you unplug unplugging is

beautiful i really um my team is like every chance

you get every chance you get unplug um it's okay

to know that that stuff exists and sometimes uh for

us intuitives what happens is i'll wake up and um

i'll have like as i'm waking up i'll have like

a like a tsunami, let's say I dream of a

tsunami and I'm like, why do I feel like I'm

being hit by a tsunami? Or I had a dream

of tsunami and I'll go, my husband will say, you know, well,

there was a tsunami last night in Japan. So I,

we feel it. We do. We're feeling, uh, in this

third density, we are in tuned to each other's consciousness.

And so I actually, I go out in the woods

and I do a clearing and, um, I do a

healing for, um, uh, the waters, uh, if it's a tsunami, um,

and I do a clearing for my own self, um,

as well, but yeah, so we do, we have in

this third density, we have these emotions and we can

be in tuned, um, to the consciousness what's happening on

the planet. And it doesn't mean that you tune them out,

but you do what you can to help raise your

vibration and keep it pure as well as, uh, Others,

or even water in the trees.

Speaker 1: I'm going to share something wonderful with you to this point.

So we set up camp. This is a Harley biker rally, okay,

in Tombstone.

Speaker 3: Okay?

Speaker 1: All right. I'm with these bikers.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 1: All the coolest dudes. But they're pretty hardcore, right? Okay,

so we're sitting at the campsite. And somebody looks up

and sees the Milky Way for the first time. And

he goes, what's that? The sky was insane, right? No

light pollution. We're in the middle of a desert tombstone.

And the stars were, it was a perfect night. But

the Milky Way, pink and blue. right? Just stretching right

over us. He'd never seen it.

Speaker 3: Wow.

Speaker 1: And he says, what is that? And everybody looks up.

So I've got these six hardcore bikers looking at the

stars and asking me questions. It was wonderful. And we're

lying in the dirt, right? In the grass. And we're

all just looking up at the stars. And it was

a pretty profound moment. not only for me, but for them,

we don't look up enough. You know, we don't ask questions.

We don't let that childlike, you know, thing, you know.

Speaker 3: The act of looking up because we're so trained to

look down can really help raise your frequency. I don't

know if you ever heard of that or if your

listeners have heard it. So when you look straight ahead

and slightly up, That really helps the light, if you're outside,

to come on in to your crown. And it helps

to raise your frequency. It's a beautiful thing. And even

the moonlight, if you go out and you look at

the moon, it's the same thing. It can have an

effect on your consciousness and help raise it as well.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it. I do it

every single night. But to have... I go outside. I

live in the desert here, so... My skies are insane.

And here's the trippy part. Los Angeles is 50 miles

south of me. L.A., right? It's right there. L.A. has

the same sky that I have at the same time, right?

But you don't see it in L.A. There are no stars.

It's a black sky, right? Because of all of the

light pollution. And you come out here and you look up,

it's the same sky, right? And nobody, there's no appreciation

for it when you live in cities like that. But

to have, you know, my biker buddies, you know, one

of them look up, literally say, what is that? He's

observing something for the first time. Oh, by the way, so...

We're all lying there looking at the stars and they're

asking me questions. Somebody goes, Hey man, are we going

to see a UFO? I said, maybe, maybe. And here,

and this is, um, I, in the time that we

have left, I want to talk to you about, uh,

society today because to have, yeah, I'm going to say bikers, right?

These are guys that love to ride motorcycles. They, in

this case happens to be Harley Davidson's, but they are

asking me questions that have been on their mind for

a long time, but they're not in an environment where

they're comfortable enough, you know, to bring this stuff up.

But now these questions are coming out of them. Society

now on the world stage, is now asking these questions.

And we have governments, including our own, that are suddenly

engaged in the subject, right? We have the stuff that's

happening on the Department of War website and all these

files being presented in these videos. And suddenly, and Congress, right,

and the Senate and the Pentagon all talking about this.

It's always been around. But now society is given this

opportunity to discuss it and to think about it. Ultimately,

what are your guides telling you? And what is going

on with this sudden disclosure movement?

Speaker 3: Well, the people have asked for it, right? So that's

what's going on. They couldn't ignore it because it's coming

from the people. They can't ignore it because now there's

so many people with so much evidence, physical evidence, videotapes

after videotapes. You know, how many videotapes are going to say, oh,

that's fake, right? So that's part of it. And second,

the kind of like spoon feeding, you know, for forever

they said, you know, the people can't handle the truth.

The people can't handle the truth. But there are societies

that say, yes, there are indigenous tribes who say, you know,

they've always been a part of our life, those from

the cosmos. They've always been a part of our life.

They've always visited us. It's nothing unheard of. You know,

you can look at some of the Renaissance paintings and

you see little UFOs and they've been around forever, right? It's, it,

this is nothing new. So, um, it, it's just, uh,

it's just spoon. We're being spoon fed like, okay, uh,

let's see if society will fall apart. Um, if they

know the truth, the truth is that, you know, we

all have cosmic, um, connections. That's the truth. That's the

million dollar questions, you know? Did we come from the

stars in a sense? Yes. In a sense, we all

came from the stars, right? We're all made of star dust.

If you really want to get really scientific, the air

that you breathe, you think about it. It could have

been from a dust particle, you know, from a star

that fell apart a million years ago. That's just who

we are. So we have these beautiful cosmic connections. We

all do. And again, They are different star families and

they are here to help us, to support us on

to become part of more than what we are right

now to kind of like, it's like we're playing on

planet earth, even though we're in a master school room,

it's like we're playing kindergarten. It's time to quit playing

kindergarten and to actually become part of our cosmic family.

they want to help support us clear the water. They

want to help support us get rid of the pollution

instead of, and they have given certain individuals, right, this information,

but certain governments decided that's not the way it's going

to go. And their lives were ended early. Now it's

finally coming about that we're kind of taking it in

our own hands. And we said, no, we're not going

to put it under the blanket anymore. We're not going

to allow you to, when we come up with the

idea of how to clean the water, how to heal ourselves,

we're not going to let you put it under the

covers anymore. And so it's coming from the people. coming

from the people um and so they decided to get

on board with it and um the kind of spoon

beating if you will there is an element that they

bring in oh you know there are bad aliens my

team has said that um There is no need for

us to worry about bad aliens. Yes, there are a few,

but you have to understand Earth has been placed with

so much protection at this time. So you have different,

you have the Palladians, you have the Sasanis, you have

the Lyrans, you have the Orion Light. individuals, the serious beings,

Andromeda's beings. You have all these beings with their ships,

mainly out of phase, protecting us, shielding us with love

and light and sending their love and light to help

wake up this planet because we're at a special place.

The special place that we're at is that every 25,000 years,

give or take, Source is very lenient. So sometimes it's 24,000

on a planet. Sometimes it's 27,000. But every 24, 25,000 years.

So the Mayan calendar was kind of right. Right. We

have an opportunity to evolve. And we've the last two

times my team has said we shut the door. So

we missed the opportunity as a consciousness planet. The last

two times this time we as planet earth has finally

made it. So planet earth is a conscious being. So

she's gone to fourth density. So she sits in fourth density.

And so, um, that's a lot of what's happening is

the consciousness is rising so high. They can't put it

under the rug anymore. And so it is good things.

It is a lot of beautiful things. good things that's

happening to the planet right now. And it has to

do with our consciousness rising. It has to do with

our frequency as beings of love and light and frequency.

And as long as we keep our attention on what

I call the positive energy stream or on that things

of goodness and gratitude and love and light, then that's

the parallel reality that we're going to be going into.

And that's the earth will you know. That earth. That

one piece.

Speaker 1: Before I say goodnight, by the way, I can't wait

to get you on the show again. We're going to

spend the whole show on one consciousness.

Speaker 4: Deal?

Speaker 3: Oh, deal.

Speaker 1: I have one question for your team. Will Denny Hamlin

win the NASCAR chase this year?

Speaker 3: They're just laughing. And they said that, you know, they're

not going to tell you that.

Speaker 1: Oh man, that's not cool. Denny deserves it. Denny deserves it.

Speaker 3: They said they will not open your presence.

Speaker 1: That's not right. That's not right. Let's entangle this thing, man.

I need to, I need to get some answers for Denny. Okay.

Speaker 3: They said to give you an answer that maybe you

can contemplate on. That will depend on, in whether he

wins or not. There are realities that he does and

there are realities that he doesn't. So it's up to

you and to him to decide which realities that you

both shall end up in.

Speaker 1: Tell Zan that was a cheap shot. That wasn't... But

they said.

Speaker 3: That's the closest to the truth. That's the way it works.

Speaker 1: Mona Lisa, you are the absolute best. Where can everybody...

find out about, uh, one consciousness and all of your work.

Speaker 3: Okay. I'm at soul navigators.com. It's where I have intuitive services.

If you want to find out about your guides, if

you want to know what galactic connections you have, um,

I'm all about that. I do mediumship work over there

and I run a online soul navigators Academy. It's everything

mystical school. And that's my jam. I absolutely love it. And, um, um,

My book, The Joy of Unconsciousness, it's 108 recipes to

nurture your soul, to answer all those questions that Jimmy

was kind of beating around the bush. I go straight

into them and I answer them. I will be at

the Soul Search Sacramento Expo, November 14th.

Speaker 1: Oh, Soul Search is awesome.

Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: So you're going to be there at the Sacramento one?

Where's it at?

Speaker 3: It is in Rancho Cordova. It's in their event center,

Business Park, Sacramento, California.

Speaker 1: Angela. Yeah, she's amazing.

Speaker 3: Yeah, it's free to attend with advance tickets.

Speaker 1: She is absolutely amazing. And everybody over there, great stuff.

Great stuff. Well, I look forward to our next conversation.

Speaker 3: I'm going to give a talk too there. I'm giving

a talk there. So come see me. I would love

to have you there. And just know that the hybrid

children will be there out of phase.

Speaker 1: You're the best, Mona Lisa. Thank you so much. I

look forward to our next conversation.

Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1: What a perfect night on the show. And that's a

great way to start the week. Mona Lisa Colburn. What

a great conversation. Can't wait to get her back on.

I do want to spend an entire show on soul

consciousness and just get into it. Thank you so much.

What am I doing tomorrow night, everybody? I will tell

you right now. Let me see. Oh, I should have

my stuff together. Oh, Sam Baltrusis is with us tomorrow

night and it's October. It's Halloween. Tomorrow night is Lizzie Borden.

So until then, I want everybody to have a great, safe, fun,

and amazing weekend or amazing night. I'll see you tomorrow.

But for now, all I've got is go Beckley Tappy.

Fade to Black is produced by Hilton J. Palm, Renee Newman,

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