Bonus Episode: The Gang Member Who Taught James Dean How to Be a Rebel
In this week’s Wrap Party, Zeth is telling the story of a real-life Hollywood gang member who was hired on the set of ‘Rebel Without a Cause’ to teach James Dean how to talk, how to dress, and how to fight. Plus Jake Brennan joins the show to get recommendations for rebel songs and rebel movies. Become an All Access member today by visiting disgracelandpod.com.
Recommended this week:
- "Rebel - 'Rouser" - Duane Eddy
- "Rebel Girl" - Bikini Kill
- "Surrender" - Cheap Trick
- "La Haine" - dir. Mathieu Kassovitz
- "Kneecap" - dir. Rich Peppiat
- "The Bike Riders" - dir. Jeff Nichols
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Speaker 1: the party. I'm your host, Zeth Lundy, writer, showrunner, and
Speaker 1: good doctor. Here at Double Elvis and today in the
Speaker 1: hollywood Land Rap Party, we're talking about rebels, about the
Speaker 1: gang member who, James Dean, how to become a rebel.
Speaker 1: We're talking about rebel songs and rebel movies with disgracelands
Speaker 1: Jake Brennan. Plus, I've got your calls, texts and emails,
Speaker 1: So come on, everybody, let's party. It was late when
Speaker 1: Frank Mazzola got the call. He hadn't heard from Nicholas
Speaker 1: Ray in quite some time, Ever since James Dean had
Speaker 1: plowed his Porsche five fifty Spider into the side of
Speaker 1: that kid's Ford sedan at the intersection of four sixty
Speaker 1: six and forty one. All that twisted steel and misspent youth,
Speaker 1: Nicholas Ray just hadn't been the same. He drank, he
Speaker 1: racked up bills, he couldn't hold on a job. He'd
Speaker 1: been left behind by another wife, another family, and Ray,
Speaker 1: a skirt chasing scoundrel who'd taken the likes of Marilyn
Speaker 1: Monroe and Joan Crawford to his bed behind closed doors,
Speaker 1: knew he was to blame. Creatively, things weren't much better.
Speaker 1: He hadn't made a picture as original as Johnny Guitar
Speaker 1: or as impactful as Rebel without a Cause in years.
Speaker 1: In fact, he'd only recently been fired from one set.
Speaker 1: Dennis Hopper pulled a few strings and got Ray a
Speaker 1: gig teaching filmmaking at a college in upstate New York.
Speaker 1: But it made him feel like a fossil, or at
Speaker 1: least like john Ford. What would that eye patch he
Speaker 1: now wore in order to hide the deformed socket that
Speaker 1: told the sad tale of the embolism he'd been forced
Speaker 1: to endure. At first, Frank Mazzola didn't even recognize the voice.
Speaker 1: This was the man who had given him a chance,
Speaker 1: the only one on the entire set of Rebel without
Speaker 1: a Cause who hadn't dismissed Frank outright. The film's casting
Speaker 1: director had seen Frank come in a mile away and
Speaker 1: clocked him. He was a bad idea, a tough guy,
Speaker 1: the facto leader of a Hollywood street gang called the Athenians.
Speaker 1: The casting director didn't know the dirty little details. He
Speaker 1: didn't know that Frank had once thrown a guy from
Speaker 1: a second story window all the name of defending the
Speaker 1: sacred turf that the Athenians called their own. He didn't
Speaker 1: need to, he could see it in Frank's eyes. But
Speaker 1: Frank wasn't going to be pushed aside like one of
Speaker 1: his foes down on Hollywood Boulevard. He circled around, creeped
Speaker 1: his way through a back door, fumbled to Nicholas Ray's office,
Speaker 1: and laid it on Thick. Not his acting chops. His
Speaker 1: skill was authenticity. He knew how the kids in Nicholas
Speaker 1: Ray's movie really talked. He knew the kinds of cars
Speaker 1: they really drove. He knew the right stores where they
Speaker 1: bought their clothes, and he knew how they fought. Nicholas
Speaker 1: Ray had no problem understanding that having Frank Mazzola on
Speaker 1: the payroll would make Rebel Without a Cause the most
Speaker 1: authentic movie about teenagers ever made. So Frank got two
Speaker 1: hundred bucks an office and a copy of the screenplay.
Speaker 1: He took a red pen to the pages and struck
Speaker 1: out the bullshit. Then he took James Dean down to Hollywood,
Speaker 1: to the real Hollywood, not the version they showed you
Speaker 1: at the Nickelodeon. He introduced Jimmy to the Athenians. They
Speaker 1: stepped inside a boxing ring and went a couple rounds,
Speaker 1: all the while Frank giving Jimmy pointers. Had to stand
Speaker 1: back against the wall, arms crossed, one foot raised, red
Speaker 1: jacket zipped only a quarter of the way up. How
Speaker 1: to fight that red jacket now stripped off, wrapped tighter
Speaker 1: on your arm to offer a little bit of protection
Speaker 1: from the knife blade that the other guy was trying
Speaker 1: to stick you with. No one who saw Rebeled Out
Speaker 1: a Cause in the fall of nineteen fifty five knew
Speaker 1: shit about Frank Mazzola. They didn't know that it was
Speaker 1: him who picked out Jimmy's red jacket and that mercury
Speaker 1: ate coup. But Nicholas Ray never forgot. Frank's name was
Speaker 1: right there in the tattered address book he kept in
Speaker 1: his pocket. It was all he had that night, sitting
Speaker 1: there at the bar at Barney's Beanery in West Hollywood.
Speaker 1: He didn't even have the thirteen bucks to pay his tab.
Speaker 1: The bartender had called over the manager, and the manager
Speaker 1: had given Ray an ultimatum, pay up or they were
Speaker 1: going to call the cops. Ray thumbed through the dog
Speaker 1: eared pages of his little black book until he got
Speaker 1: to Frank's number. It didn't take long for Frank to
Speaker 1: get down to Barney's. He found Nicholas Ray looking run down,
Speaker 1: hang dog, looking like he wished that little eye patch
Speaker 1: of his could cover his whole face and make him disappear.
Speaker 1: He perked up a little when he saw his old
Speaker 1: friend Frank had thirteen bucks on him. It was kismet,
Speaker 1: but the tab was actually thirteen dollars and thirty seven cents,
Speaker 1: and the manager of the place was being a real
Speaker 1: prick about those thirty seven cents. The old Athenian and
Speaker 1: Frank began to come out. Thirty seven fucking CeNSE? Are
Speaker 1: you serious? Do you know who this man is? He
Speaker 1: directed James Dean and Rebel without a Cause, And now
Speaker 1: you're gonna have that man arrested over thirty seven cents.
Speaker 1: Nicholas Ray couldn't help but hang his head in shame.
Speaker 1: He didn't see the woman nearby who took pity on
Speaker 1: him and slid thirty seven cents across the bar to
Speaker 1: cover the tab. He didn't see the looks on the
Speaker 1: faces of the patrons who watched Frank as he walked out,
Speaker 1: like a stream that breaks off from a river, never
Speaker 1: to return, slowed to a crawl by the weight of
Speaker 1: the sediment it carries. Nicholas Ray died of heart failure
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine at the age of sixty seven,
Speaker 1: just two years after the German director Vin Vendors cast
Speaker 1: him in a small role in his film The American Friend,
Speaker 1: alongside Dennis Hopper, who incidentally had appeared in Rebel without
Speaker 1: a Cause all those years ago, and Frank Mazzola, one
Speaker 1: time leader of the Athenians, consultant on Rebel without a Cause,
Speaker 1: architect of James Dean's iconic and immortal style, and who
Speaker 1: later enjoyed life as a film editor. Died in twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen at the age of seventy nine. You can hear
Speaker 1: more about the James Dean of it all in this
Speaker 1: week's episode from our archive. That's the fully scripted and
Speaker 1: sound design episode on James Dean. That's at the top
Speaker 1: of your feed right behind this episode. And if you
Speaker 1: want more Rebel without a Cause talk, please tune into
Speaker 1: a new episode of The Screening Room right here in
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Land feed on Friday. I'll spend the entirety
Speaker 1: of that episode talking all about Rebel, the nonfiction book
Speaker 1: that inspired it. It's like, see It's ripple effect all that. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I've got summer movies on the brain. Man Jake and
Speaker 1: I are about to record a new episode of our
Speaker 1: video podcast. This film should be played loud, and this
Speaker 1: new episode is going to be all about Spike Lee's
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine masterpiece Do the Right Thing, which means
Speaker 1: we're going to talk a lot about Public Enemy, about
Speaker 1: Fight the Power, about Samuel L. Jackson DJing the soundtrack
Speaker 1: to the Hottest Day of the Year. I just I
Speaker 1: can't watch Do the Right Thing in the winter. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: a music thing. It's like the movie version of a
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Speaker 1: just has to be watched when it's like ninety ninety
Speaker 1: five degrees outside.
Speaker 2: Do you agree?
Speaker 1: Can you watch Do the Right Thing in the winter?
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on where you are in the world.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're in a part of the world where where
Speaker 1: the weather in the winter is not all that different
Speaker 1: from the weather in the summer. But let me know
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Speaker 1: like stand by Me, Adventureland, Gross point Blank, a lot more.
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. And you may or may not know,
Speaker 1: but that story has some pretty strong tie ins to Hollywood.
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Speaker 1: you haven't heard it in a while. So anyway, Versace
Speaker 1: got me thinking for next week's question of the week.
Speaker 1: What fashion style did you steal from a movie? What
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Speaker 1: hanging with you in the rap party six one seven
Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. That's how you
Speaker 1: get in touch. I'd asked you, guys about your favorite rebels,
Speaker 1: favorite rebels and movies. Right favorite movie rebels, characters that
Speaker 1: are rebels, rebellious characters. It's all about rebels this week. Okay,
Speaker 1: coming up soon here and then in the next block
Speaker 1: after this, Jake's gonna join me. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: rebel songs and rebel movies. Some recommendations there, but right
Speaker 1: now hearing from you, guys. Got a text here from
Speaker 1: the eight six to oh that says favorite rebel Bill
Speaker 1: Murray and pretty much everything but mostly Bill Murray in
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters eight six oh. I could not agree with you more.
Speaker 1: That's kind of Bill Murray's whole mo O. It reminds
Speaker 1: me of, you know, speaking of rebel a lot of
Speaker 1: cause a movie that portrayed rebels that came before it,
Speaker 1: and as you'll hear in the screening room on Friday,
Speaker 1: a reason why Rebel ended up getting an X rating
Speaker 1: in the UK when it came out. I kid you not,
Speaker 1: this movie called The Wild One with Marlon Brando has
Speaker 1: that famous line and I'm paraphrasing that, what are you
Speaker 1: rebelling against it? And they say, well, what have you got?
Speaker 1: Like that seems like that's the Bill Murray m o
Speaker 1: to me, like, you know, whatever you got, I'm rebelling
Speaker 1: against it. Great pick eight six to oh Bill Murray
Speaker 1: is just he's a he's a he's a he's a
Speaker 1: goat in the in the rebel department. Email here, Disgrace
Speaker 1: Lampod at gmail dot com is where you email. We
Speaker 1: got an email from Delbert with the subject line favorite
Speaker 1: movie rebel and it reads a little on the nose,
Speaker 1: but Han solo he has some maneuvers. Yeah, he does,
Speaker 1: like shooting Grido first. Right, We've gone over that controversy
Speaker 1: in the past and I'm not gonna relitigate that here,
Speaker 1: but yes, everyone's favorite rebel from a galaxy far far
Speaker 1: away who likes to hang out with all the deplorables
Speaker 1: in the Mozisley Cantina listening to that band rock on
Speaker 1: that dude shot first. Thanks Delbert for reaching out, you
Speaker 1: know it. The thing about the rebel thing is like
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a category that you kind of
Speaker 1: have to be on the nose with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's this kind of the whole point so great. Pick
Speaker 1: there six one seven, nine oh six six six, three eights,
Speaker 1: Come on, get at me, Let me know what you're
Speaker 1: thinking like us. The texture here in the eight four
Speaker 1: to three who sent in this message says, Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: listening to the rip Michael Madsen bonus episode. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: an oldie and wanted to send in one of my
Speaker 1: favorite soundtracks. Pump up the volume with Concrete Blonde version
Speaker 1: of Everybody Knows, also Reservoir Dogs, pulp fiction and singles.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for putting in out such a fascinating podcast,
Speaker 1: and for having smooth, calm voices and good grammatical skills
Speaker 1: which make e listening. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Eight four to three.
Speaker 1: Don't talk dirty to me and tell me I had
Speaker 1: good grammatical skills, but flattery will get you everywhere. Right.
Speaker 1: I appreciate this message. And the Michael Madison episode was
Speaker 1: quite a while ago. I'm glad you're getting hip to
Speaker 1: that now. Pump up the volume. I don't think we've
Speaker 1: talked about this. What an incredible soundtrack. Not only does
Speaker 1: it have Concrete Blondes version of Everybody Knows the Leonard
Speaker 1: Cohen song which a sidebar. There was this great compilation
Speaker 1: of Leonard Cohen covers called I'm Your Man right or
Speaker 1: I'm Your Fan Now I forget that came out around
Speaker 1: this time, I think, and it was like I remember
Speaker 1: that that compilation and this Concrete Blonde song actually being
Speaker 1: my introduction to Leonard Cohen before I knew who Leonard
Speaker 1: Cohen really was. And also Pump Up the Volume had
Speaker 1: the Wave of Mutilation, the Pixies version of that, the
Speaker 1: UK Surf version of that, which is the really slow
Speaker 1: verse version of that song, which I still think I
Speaker 1: prefer to the version that's on Doolittle at any rate.
Speaker 1: Eight four to three. Thanks for reminding us all about
Speaker 1: the majesty of Pump Up the Volume, the soundtrack, and
Speaker 1: the film six one seven nine oh six six six
Speaker 1: three eight. You can text us listen. I got a
Speaker 1: couple of texts here from last week we covered A
Speaker 1: Star Is Born in the screening room. Was that last week?
Speaker 1: I think it was, maybe it was two weeks ago now,
Speaker 1: and I got two texts from two different people about
Speaker 1: the same song that I included on the mixtape for
Speaker 1: that movie. The first one here is from the four
Speaker 1: to one Oh. It says hi Zeth Bex from the
Speaker 1: four to one oh. Here, just listen to the screening
Speaker 1: Room episode on A Star is Born. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: Cures love song. It's a dark love song, but one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. I've tried to find all the covers
Speaker 1: I can. Adele has a great version. If you haven't
Speaker 1: heard it, thanks for giving it some recognition. You got
Speaker 1: it four one oh. I have not heard the Adele version,
Speaker 1: but now I want to. I'm gonna check that out. Now.
Speaker 1: Here's the flip side of this. Okay, this is a
Speaker 1: text from the six eight one, which reads his death.
Speaker 1: It's blue listening to the Screening Room A Star is
Speaker 1: Born episode. The songs you pick for the mixtape are great,
Speaker 1: but I must disagree with your sentiment. That love song
Speaker 1: by the Cure sounds sad. Robert Smith wrote that song
Speaker 1: for his wife a year after they were married, and
Speaker 1: they've been married for thirty eight years. Back in the eighties,
Speaker 1: I was so into the Cure I barely listened to
Speaker 1: anything else. Love the show. Always appreciate you. Rock and
Speaker 1: Roll up Blue, rock and rolla blue. Thanks for this.
Speaker 1: I didn't I guess I didn't know that he wrote
Speaker 1: that song for his wife, But I think two things
Speaker 1: can be true at the same time, right. I think
Speaker 1: he can have written that song for his wife. But
Speaker 1: also I think it's just Robert Smith's vibe, that he's
Speaker 1: just got this darkness vibe to him.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you agree that that's true? So maybe maybe a
Speaker 1: love song in Robert Smith's eyes, or in his ears
Speaker 1: or in his head just sounds darker to me than
Speaker 1: your typical love song, which I guess is what makes
Speaker 1: this song so unique and so great.
Speaker 2: Blue.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your opinion as always, Thanks for a texting in.
Speaker 1: Got another text here from the two four eight, and
Speaker 1: this says, Hey, Zeth, have you ever heard of or
Speaker 1: seen this movie? Wow? I had heard of it, just
Speaker 1: recently saw it. Seems like something you might appreciate. And
Speaker 1: the texture sent a link to the film The World's
Speaker 1: Greatest Sinner. This is the nineteen sixty two film that
Speaker 1: Timothy Carey wrote, directed, and stars in. Famously, it has
Speaker 1: a soundtrack or a score I should say, by Frank Zappa,
Speaker 1: like pre mothers of invention, pre fame Frank Zappa. Timothy
Speaker 1: Carey was this actor who was in a couple of
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick films. He was in the killing that we
Speaker 1: covered a while back on the Screening Room, he was
Speaker 1: in Paths of Glory. He worked with cassav a few
Speaker 1: times as well. And I know this film by reputation
Speaker 1: two four eight. I know that it's a sort of
Speaker 1: ahead of its time. I mean, it came out in
Speaker 1: sixty two. It was a weird Lynchian indie film before
Speaker 1: the term Lynchian was a thing, before David Lynch was
Speaker 1: a thing, before indie film was a was a whole,
Speaker 1: was a lane. Right. You're the second person to recommend
Speaker 1: this film to me in probably the last six or
Speaker 1: eight months. So I'm gonna take that as a sign
Speaker 1: and I need to see this. And I just before
Speaker 1: I jumped on Mike here, I searched out the trailer
Speaker 1: for this on YouTube. You guys, if you guys haven't
Speaker 1: seen this movie like me, check out the trailer because
Speaker 1: the trailer is gonna make you want to watch this
Speaker 1: movie like tonight. It looks utterly fascinating and again, so
Speaker 1: far ahead of its time nineteen sixty two. To think
Speaker 1: that this film was made just you know, seven years
Speaker 1: after rebel that a cause is wild two four eight.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the text and the recommendation. I got a text
Speaker 1: here from the seven to one to nine, and I
Speaker 1: want to read this because I we don't shy away
Speaker 1: from controversy here in hollywood Land, and and I want
Speaker 1: to hit this head on. Okay, this text from the
Speaker 1: seven to one nine, It reads, I'm listening to the
Speaker 1: hollywood Land episode on James Dean. He spent much of
Speaker 1: his youth living with an aunt and uncle in Fairmount, Indiana,
Speaker 1: not Illinois.
Speaker 2: You brow it.
Speaker 1: Seven point nine. Appreciate you bringing this to my attention.
Speaker 1: This was a glitch, this was a goof, This was
Speaker 1: a whatever you want to call it. We pride ourselves
Speaker 1: on the deep research that we do here for these shows.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, as one of the writers here
Speaker 1: for both of these shows, Hollywoodland and Disgraceland, that a large,
Speaker 1: large part of our process is research, is outlining and
Speaker 1: h and again you know that's sort of what in
Speaker 1: our eyes helps us stand out from other storytellers is
Speaker 1: is our is our deep research. So we we know
Speaker 1: that James Dean is from Indiana and not Illinois.
Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, this is Matt just chiming in here. Mia
Speaker 4: Kolpa on this one. I know what happened here. When
Speaker 4: we originally published this episode, we were corrected on our
Speaker 4: mistake and fixed it. But when I republished the episode
Speaker 4: last night, I used the wrong file. I used the
Speaker 4: uncorrected file that has now been fixed. So this is
Speaker 4: this One's on me, everybody, my mistake. Let me just
Speaker 4: reach over to my soundboard here. You blw it, you
Speaker 4: blw it, you blow it, blow it again.
Speaker 2: Apologies for the mistake.
Speaker 4: That has been updated, and if you want to, just
Speaker 4: go ahead and redownload that episode and it'll be.
Speaker 1: Correct so again seven one nine, Thank you for pointing
Speaker 1: that out. Anybody you want to point anything out, you
Speaker 1: want to air some air some shit out. You want
Speaker 1: to hip us to something something good or bad. You
Speaker 1: want to send me your film recommendations, like the World's
Speaker 1: Greatest Center, whatever you got for me. You can text me,
Speaker 1: you can call me six one seven nine oh six
Speaker 1: six three eight, You can email me Disgrace Lampod at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. I want to get back on this
Speaker 1: rebel theme. Okay, I'm gonna go get my boy. Jake Brennan,
Speaker 1: host of Disgraceland, and then we're gonna give you guys
Speaker 1: some music and movie recommendations all about rebels. We're talking
Speaker 1: rebel songs, we're talking rebel movies. So stay where you are, Jake,
Speaker 1: and I'll be right back. Yo, yo yo, Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the rap party here in the recommendations portion of
Speaker 1: the show, joined as I always am every week, by
Speaker 1: my guy, Jake Brennan. Jake, how you doing, man?
Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic. I'm a little less crazed in mannic
Speaker 3: than I was the last time I spoke to you
Speaker 3: when I just got back from Europe. I listened to
Speaker 3: that interview or part of conversation we had, and I
Speaker 3: was like, holy shit, for a guy who wasn't slept
Speaker 3: in a while, I had a lot of energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes it just works out that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I'm feeling good, man. I'm excited
Speaker 3: to talk to you.
Speaker 2: How you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. It's just been lots
Speaker 1: of James Dean on my brain this week. I just
Speaker 1: recorded an episode of the Screening Room that comes out
Speaker 1: later this week on Rebel Without a Cause, which tremendous film.
Speaker 1: Although I will say the last time I watched it
Speaker 1: felt more dated to me than it ever has before.
Speaker 1: I think, just as the years go on and on,
Speaker 1: it's such a great movie, but it is getting getting
Speaker 1: to be dated here fifty years on.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Can I make a confession?
Speaker 1: Yep, you haven't seen it?
Speaker 3: I have, Okay, But dude, I don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get.
Speaker 3: The James Dean thing is what I'm saying, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, as I argued in the screening Room episode,
Speaker 1: I think there's a number of acts that you could
Speaker 1: argue are are much better than him, from his from
Speaker 1: his cohort.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, Yeah, it's weird to me. I just
Speaker 3: feel like, I think the impact he had was so
Speaker 3: real and so important because it was so new, that
Speaker 3: style of acting, in that package that he presented. It
Speaker 3: was such a unique thing. But to me, it's so
Speaker 3: over the top and just affected. Yes, it feels like acting,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it does.
Speaker 1: It does. But don't forget though, too. I think a
Speaker 1: large part of what made him who he is it's
Speaker 1: it's all posthumous. It's like he only starred in three movies,
Speaker 1: two of them came out after he died, and so
Speaker 1: there's really no other person in Hollywood history like this, right,
Speaker 1: And so that and then the way the studio we
Speaker 1: talk about this in our episode, our scripted episode, the
Speaker 1: way the studio kind of glombed onto that and glombed
Speaker 1: onto the sort of the after life that he had
Speaker 1: and used it to market his films. I don't think
Speaker 1: it can be overstated how big of an impact that
Speaker 1: had on his legacy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that, And I do think there was
Speaker 3: a tangible, authentic reaction that the culture had to him
Speaker 3: at the moment because they'd never seen anything like him before, right,
Speaker 3: And he was the embodiment of this new thing called cool.
Speaker 3: You know, that was like that didn't really exist before
Speaker 3: except on a Miles Davis record, and it was you know,
Speaker 3: it was just that whole thing, that whole package. But
Speaker 3: I think when we compare his sort of craft and
Speaker 3: what he did on screen to people actors that we love,
Speaker 3: you know, from that era, even it's very different, and
Speaker 3: it just strikes me as being very I think it's
Speaker 3: an of the time thing. You really needed to be
Speaker 3: of the time to really appreciate and get the impact
Speaker 3: that it had. I don't mean to diminish the impact. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's just harder for me because younger and I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I think I think the film overall was
Speaker 1: more of the impact than the acting performance. But anyways, sure,
Speaker 1: speaking of rebels, I wanted to talk to you today
Speaker 1: about a rebel music, rebel songs, rebel movies. I want
Speaker 1: some recommendations, and I know you're gonna bring them, so
Speaker 1: we'll start with you as usual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very tempted to be literal here.
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of obvious there's always a lot
Speaker 3: of obvious literal recommendations to pull from. Rebel Rebel by
Speaker 3: David Bowie, Ye, Rebel Song by Bob Marley, which are
Speaker 3: great songs. They're all fantastic, But that's not why the
Speaker 3: people come here. They come here for that for the polls.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm gonna go I'm gonna go keep it
Speaker 3: literal here, okay, And I'm gonna keep it in the
Speaker 3: James Dean sphere, and I'm gonna go at nineteen fifty
Speaker 3: eight Rebel Rouser by Dwayne Eddie.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, nice, which is.
Speaker 3: A fantastic twangy instrumental that was a legitimate hit. You
Speaker 3: hear now and you're like, oh, this is something that
Speaker 3: like an obscure song that you know, Quentin Tarantino would
Speaker 3: select for one of his soundtracks. It's actually not a tarantinum.
Speaker 3: We's in Forrest Gump, and I think that kind of
Speaker 3: had a part of its resurgence in the popular culture
Speaker 3: of the last you know, forty years or whatever. The
Speaker 3: song is, it's amazing, it's fantastic. You're gonna hear it,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna hear early traces of rock and roll.
Speaker 3: You're gonna you're gonna look up Dwayne Eddi, you're gonna
Speaker 3: see him on the Dick Clark's American Bandstand, and you're
Speaker 3: gonna see James Dean in the way that this guy
Speaker 3: dressed and moved in a stage presence. This was kind
Speaker 3: of one of those accidental hits. I believe it was
Speaker 3: a B side that ended up being an A side
Speaker 3: or something like that. Don't quote me on that, but
Speaker 3: it's such a cool fucking name.
Speaker 2: Rebel Rouser, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's so cool, and it's the name of a great
Speaker 3: record store that is helmed in part by Avi Spivick,
Speaker 3: who's the great illustrator behind all of the disgraceland illustrations.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, and if you look at the Rebel Rouser
Speaker 3: artwork and logo, you're gonna immediately recognize the disgracelandness of
Speaker 3: it all. So if you're in Brooklyn, check out Rebel Rouser.
Speaker 3: And when you go to this incredible record store that's
Speaker 3: going to be filled with all this obscure vinyl magazines,
Speaker 3: music rock and roll, efemera badass, badass, badass rock and
Speaker 3: roll artifacts, you're gonna know that it's connected to this
Speaker 3: Dwayne Eddie song, which I think is super cool and
Speaker 3: I just wanted to shout that out.
Speaker 1: I love that all right.
Speaker 3: The next one, I have Rebel Girl by Bikini Kill,
Speaker 3: which if you've never heard Bikini Kill before and you're
Speaker 3: looking for an introduction, I can't think of a better
Speaker 3: song than this. It's so good it is. It is
Speaker 3: distorted and produced in that it's a perfect balance of
Speaker 3: production where it's it's so fucked up and grimy that
Speaker 3: it's subversive, but it's still super catchy and could be
Speaker 3: a radio hit. It's that good. It's fantastic. The chorus
Speaker 3: is massive. It's just about it's about this, but it's
Speaker 3: about exactly what it what it says. Rebel Girl, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's produced I can't believe I didn't know this
Speaker 3: until today. It's produced by Joan Jet, which no sh
Speaker 3: sounds so perfect that it cannot be true when you
Speaker 3: hear this song and you think of the whole Jone
Speaker 3: Jet of it all, and you know, uh, you know
Speaker 3: her cover of Wild Wand and I don't give a
Speaker 3: damn about it was a song I think, Yeah, perfect
Speaker 3: rebel song, right, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could have picked that one too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so I would. I would check out Rebel
Speaker 3: Girl by Bikini Kill. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Is that also the title of Kathleen Hannah's memoir biography autobiography?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rebel Girl is an autobiography by Kathleen Hannah. Got
Speaker 3: it the movie, the documentary about Kathleen Hannah is the
Speaker 3: punk singer. Okay, so there you go, Rebel Girl and
Speaker 3: the punk singer Kathleen Hannah. Bikini Kill. Check that out.
Speaker 3: The next one. I did not go literal, Okay. I
Speaker 3: went kind of like off the beaten path here. This
Speaker 3: is one of those things one of those songs I
Speaker 3: always associate with rebelliousness.
Speaker 2: I don't even really know what the song is about.
Speaker 3: This is my interpretation of it, and it's Surrender by
Speaker 3: Cheap Trick from nineteen seventy eight, which again, if you
Speaker 3: asked me, and I just did, if you asked me, like,
Speaker 3: what's the song about a rebel, I would say Surrender
Speaker 3: from Cheap Trick. It. It has very little though to
Speaker 3: do with the song, what the song is about and
Speaker 3: what it was intended to mean, and everything for me
Speaker 3: to do with how I first came upon this song,
Speaker 3: which was through the film Over the Edge. So have
Speaker 3: you seen Over the Edge?
Speaker 1: Is that the unwrestling movie with Selester Shalon? No, that's
Speaker 1: over the top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's over the top.
Speaker 3: I read that book, by the way, when I was
Speaker 3: a kid.
Speaker 1: What's Over the Edge? I don't know if I've seen
Speaker 1: this or No.
Speaker 3: I think it's Matt Deal. It's either Matt Dylan's first
Speaker 3: or second movie. Oh no, by the same director that
Speaker 3: did Texts I Believe, which is either his first or
Speaker 3: second movie. It's a fantastic film about teenage rebellion, suburban
Speaker 3: rebellion in California, and it's it's really about the war
Speaker 3: between social conformity and rock and roll subversiveness, and it's
Speaker 3: just fucking dynamite. The soundtrack is amazing, and this song
Speaker 3: is the shining song for me as a as a
Speaker 3: little teenage kid. When I saw this a couple of
Speaker 3: years later in the eighties, I was just I could
Speaker 3: not believe the cheap trick of it all. I was like,
Speaker 3: what is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is this? My god?
Speaker 3: I don't want to spoil the movie because it just
Speaker 3: things go fabulously off the rails and it is so rebellious,
Speaker 3: it is sober. But it got me thinking this morning.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't even really know what the fuck.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what Surrender is about. So I
Speaker 3: looked it up in this this this little excerpt just
Speaker 3: you know, sound and alarm because I'm gonna read from
Speaker 3: Wikipedia here on a podcast, which is like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like the worst fucking thing you could possibly do
Speaker 3: in podcasting, But I'm reading it for a reason because
Speaker 3: the writing here is nuts. This is crazy, Okay, So
Speaker 3: it does the whole like Surrender is a single by
Speaker 3: Cheap Trick, blah blah blah, like that whole thing Surrender
Speaker 3: comes out in seventy eight, over the Edge seventy nine. Okay,
Speaker 3: so they're really kind of hand in hand, but it
Speaker 3: goes into what the song's about.
Speaker 2: I can probably read.
Speaker 3: I could probably just recite all the lyrics to Surrender
Speaker 3: to you just off the top of my head. I
Speaker 3: know the song that well. It's fantastic. By the way,
Speaker 3: when I talk about Surrender, I talk about the live
Speaker 3: from Budhicon version. The Heaven Tonight version is great as well,
Speaker 3: but the studio version, but the live version is it's amazing. Here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, so just listen to this. Whoever's writing cheap tricks.
Speaker 3: Wikipedia page deserves a race Surrender. Surrender is a late
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies surrender I said like Surrender is a late
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy teen anthem describing the relationships between the baby
Speaker 3: boomer narrator and the GI generation parents. His mother frequently
Speaker 3: warns him about the girls he will meet, as he
Speaker 3: will never know what diseases, what diseases he will catch
Speaker 3: from them, as exemplified by a rumor about quote a
Speaker 3: sodier falling off some Indonesian junk that's going around unquote.
Speaker 3: The mother's expertise on such matters is endorsed by the father,
Speaker 3: of course, who states that she served with the Wax
Speaker 3: in the Philippines. Now, wax sounds like something you can't say.
Speaker 3: I don't know what a whack is. Wac It's linked
Speaker 3: in Wikipedia. Will come back to that again. The mother's
Speaker 3: expertise on such matters is endorsed by the father, who
Speaker 3: states that she served with the Wax in the Philippines,
Speaker 3: a claim which amazes the narrator, who had been under
Speaker 3: the impression that the Wax only recruited old maids and
Speaker 3: mommy isn't one of those. The narrator then describes how
Speaker 3: his parents are weird and hipper then many teams would believe.
Speaker 3: For example, the narrator describes how he discovers his mom
Speaker 3: and dad are rolling on the couch late at night.
Speaker 3: Rolling number is rock and rolling got my Kiss records out,
Speaker 3: and this mention was a thank you to Kiss, who
Speaker 3: boosted Cheap Trick's early career by hiring them to open
Speaker 3: concerts for Kiss during the nineteen seventy seven Love Gun tour.
Speaker 2: The song features.
Speaker 3: Two, not one, two modulations, which is news to me.
Speaker 3: I always new with the modulation by the ty the
Speaker 3: third verse kicks around. The intro is the key of
Speaker 3: B flat, which moves up to B during the first verse,
Speaker 3: and that explains to me why it sounds so weird
Speaker 3: and awesome when it fucking kicks in, And I wonder,
Speaker 3: I wonder, is it like that on the recorded studio version,
Speaker 3: just like it is in the live version? Or was
Speaker 3: the live version an accident, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Did they start it in one key and then go
Speaker 3: oh shit? You know, I don't know either way, it's
Speaker 3: cool as hell. Now I'm going to figure this out.
Speaker 3: So okay, let's back up. Okay, this is a mind
Speaker 3: fuck to me because it puts the coolness on the
Speaker 3: baby boomer. Okay, now again, I'm not trying to diss
Speaker 3: on boomers. Boomers created the greatest music of all time,
Speaker 3: all right, and a lot of other great things. But
Speaker 3: being from Gen X, it's hard sometimes to relate to
Speaker 3: baby boomers as cool and but this is like and
Speaker 3: also because my mom is probably a little too young
Speaker 3: to be a baby boomer, but culturally she's a baby
Speaker 3: boomer and it always has been, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's a little it's a mind fuck for me,
Speaker 3: this one where like the GI Generation are the uncool
Speaker 3: ones here, and I guess that that's not a cultural
Speaker 3: paradigm that is like foreign to anybody. There's like the
Speaker 3: last one hundred years of culture in America are kind
Speaker 3: of all about that. But for me, it's a little weird,
Speaker 3: you know when I start reading here. Surrender is a
Speaker 3: late nineteen seventies teen anthem describing the relations between the
Speaker 3: Baby Boomer narrator and the GI Generation parents now and
Speaker 3: over the edge the kids, the rebellious kids in late
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies, they're not fucking baby Boom, right, they were
Speaker 3: born in I guess like night, they're like elder gen X, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So anyways, that's that part.
Speaker 3: Now let's go into the burning question here. What is
Speaker 3: a whack? Okay, a WWAC just all caps WAC. The
Speaker 3: mother's experience on such matters is endorsed by the father,
Speaker 3: who states that she served with the Wax and the Philippines.
Speaker 3: I never knew what that lyric was, did you know Wax?
Speaker 1: No? I didn't the Wax. All I remember is the
Speaker 1: got my kiss records out and they're just a little
Speaker 1: weird that's the ones that stick out to me.
Speaker 3: The Women's Army Corps was the women's branch of the
Speaker 3: United States Army. It was created as an auxiliary I
Speaker 3: can never say the word auxilliary unit, the Woman's Army
Speaker 3: Auxiliary Corpse WAAC on fifteen May nineteen forty two, and
Speaker 3: conferred it to an active duty status of the Army
Speaker 3: of the United States as the WHACK on one July
Speaker 3: nineteen forty tree. So the WAX, So basically the dad's like,
Speaker 3: you know, your mom's cool, man, she served with the
Speaker 3: WAX and the Philippines. Now that must be for World
Speaker 3: War Two. I always thought the Philippines reference was a
Speaker 3: Vietnam reference. Some Indonesian junk that's going around too, which
Speaker 3: is a Vietnam reference to what kind of conversations was fucking.
Speaker 2: The cheap trick kids have with the parents? Who's this
Speaker 2: heavy shit?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Totally. What's going on in what is it? Rockport, Illinois?
Speaker 2: Is that where they're from Robin and the Gang?
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere like that. Yeah, God wow.
Speaker 3: Just phenomenal. So yeah, there's my there's I.
Speaker 1: Ever read a saw description that is that in depth
Speaker 1: on Wikipedia before. That's as to your point. Kudos to
Speaker 1: the to the person who jumped in the fray there.
Speaker 2: You know I butchered the reading of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, I butchered the reading of it.
Speaker 2: And it's it's also poetic.
Speaker 3: It's pretty poetic the way it's it's it flows well.
Speaker 2: You know, it works in quotes.
Speaker 3: It adequately attributes those quotes within the lyrics to the
Speaker 3: dad or the mall. It's fucking fantastic, right Jesus. There
Speaker 3: is no subversiveness or rebellion in the writing of the
Speaker 3: Cheap Tricks Wikipedia page. This is the Surrender Wikipedia page
Speaker 3: if anyone's looking to reference it, by the way, not
Speaker 3: the band Wikipedia page, but Surrender by Cheap Trick, a
Speaker 3: fantastic rebellious song.
Speaker 1: There we go amazing. All right, Surrender, Rebel Girl, and
Speaker 1: Rebel Rouser. Those are three great picks. Got all right?
Speaker 1: Let me give you some movie pics here real quick.
Speaker 1: None of these have rebel in the title. My first
Speaker 1: pick is a French film called Lahine, which is from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five. I don't know if you've seen this.
Speaker 1: It's directed by Matthew Kassovitz, who I think you won
Speaker 1: Best Director at can the year this came out. It
Speaker 1: has like a starmaking performance by Vincent Cassel. It's about
Speaker 1: it's shot in black and white. It's very Scorsesey esque. Actually,
Speaker 1: the Vincent Cassell character is doing his Travis Bickell in
Speaker 1: front of the mirror at one point in this film.
Speaker 1: But you know it's about like disenfranchised this guy, lower
Speaker 1: class youth. Yeah, that guy in Paris, this whole socio
Speaker 1: economic divide, the tensions that build up riots. There's a
Speaker 1: it's basically three friends. One's African, one's Arab, and one's
Speaker 1: Jew and one of their friends is taken into police
Speaker 1: custody and it's basically like what are these guys gonna do? Like,
Speaker 1: it's his whole tension. I'm like, what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: And tensions in the city are overflowing and it's just
Speaker 1: like it's just the very the whole nature of the
Speaker 1: movie is about rebellion, right, Okay, it's so great. It's
Speaker 1: such a great movie. So that's my first pick. Lahyne
Speaker 1: and Vincent Cassell. Vincent Cassell. Just so those who know
Speaker 1: who might they're like, who the hell is this guy?
Speaker 3: And I was one of them. He's he's in one
Speaker 3: of the Ocean's movies. He is, and I think it's
Speaker 3: the second one. I think, right, I think, so that
Speaker 3: could be. Yeah, you'll reckon guys. You'll recognize Vincent Cassell
Speaker 3: and you'll see him and you'll be like, I gotta
Speaker 3: watch this movie because that's just told me too. So
Speaker 3: there we go.
Speaker 1: He's like a ticking time home in this movie. He's amazing,
Speaker 1: all right. Pick number two is a film called Kneecap
Speaker 1: about a Irish hip hop group called Kneecap that came
Speaker 1: out just a few years ago in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: And I will fully admit I heard about this movie
Speaker 1: and I knew it was about Irish hip hop group.
Speaker 1: I did not realize they were actually a real hip
Speaker 1: hop group until the end of the movie and I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what these guys are real and they're
Speaker 1: playing themselves in this movie. It's fucking incredible, the sort
Speaker 1: of rebelliousness of this group. You know, they came up
Speaker 1: in Belfast in sort of like the hangover of the Troubles,
Speaker 1: post Troubles, sort of like wanting to reclaim Irish culture
Speaker 1: and the language, and so they wrap both in English
Speaker 1: and in Gaelic, Irish right, and that's a big part
Speaker 1: of their their politically rebellious, they're socially rebellious. The movie
Speaker 1: is both intense but also it's funny as hell. It's
Speaker 1: a super funny movie, and they're just like hard to
Speaker 1: dislike as a group. And then when you realize they've
Speaker 1: been playing the three dudes, like literally playing themselves in
Speaker 1: the movie, it's pretty fucking incredible. So that's Kneecap. I
Speaker 1: think you can see that on Hulu right now.
Speaker 3: You love that? All right, I'm psyched on this this one.
Speaker 3: I've seen the trailer for, I've seen bits of this,
Speaker 3: and I've had that moment of like, what the fuck
Speaker 3: is this? I have to see that.
Speaker 1: It's one of those movies as you're watching it, not
Speaker 1: that it creates a new language in film, but you'll
Speaker 1: appreciate it because it's shot in that way that it's
Speaker 1: almost shot in that way that we think about episodes,
Speaker 1: about how scenes take place, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: very much like that Capote in The Swan's Thing. It's
Speaker 1: like it's got its own kind of visual language and
Speaker 1: I really love it for that. Okay, And then number
Speaker 1: three is another recent film called The Bike Riders, which
Speaker 1: came out a few years ago. It's Jeff Nichols's latest
Speaker 1: film with Tom Hardy, Austin Butler, and Jody Comer. Oh
Speaker 1: Myle Shannon's in it as well. It's about a motorcycle gang.
Speaker 1: It's based on a like a book of photographs of
Speaker 1: a real motorcycle gang, and Jeff Nichols the director. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he basically used just photographs of a real gang to
Speaker 1: create this movie that takes place in the fifties, sixties,
Speaker 1: in the sixties. I believe it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: hang movie, and it's kind of like about how, you know,
Speaker 1: like a culture or a club or a gang or
Speaker 1: a group can kind of start as one thing and
Speaker 1: become something else. I can start as a place where
Speaker 1: where people who like the misfits, who don't belong anywhere
Speaker 1: else can kind of congregate, and then it sort of
Speaker 1: like curdles at some point. You know.
Speaker 3: I love Jody Kalmer too. She's fantastic.
Speaker 1: She's fantastic. She does this incredible Chicago accent in this
Speaker 1: movie too, which is one hand funny and on the
Speaker 1: other hand, like she kind of nails it. Is she English, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is. Yeah, okay right, Oh no, wait, she's French.
Speaker 3: I think she's French.
Speaker 1: Okay, but dude, incredible soundtrack has the Staple singers doing
Speaker 1: Masters of War. It's got the Stooges down in the
Speaker 1: Street is on the sound So there you go. Bike Riders,
Speaker 1: Kneecap and Lahine love.
Speaker 3: That right up my alley. Man. Those are some badass picks. Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: some rebellious picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What are you rebelling against? Are you rebelling against watching
Speaker 3: the Drop?
Speaker 2: You did watch it?
Speaker 1: You did? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You like it?
Speaker 1: I watched it like two nights ago.
Speaker 2: Did you hate it?
Speaker 1: No? I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot.
Speaker 1: It reminded me a lot of all right. So, so
Speaker 1: Three Things Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, which was
Speaker 1: the the last Sydney Lolomett movie with Philis summer Hoff
Speaker 1: and Ethan Hawk, who played brothers who like rob their parents' store.
Speaker 1: Just the relationship between Tom Hardy and James Ganielfini and
Speaker 1: sort of like the desperation there and stuff kind of
Speaker 1: reminded me of that. It also reminded me a little
Speaker 1: bit of the town. And it reminded me also of
Speaker 1: John Wick because Tom Hardy has this little dog that
Speaker 1: he's taken care of, and it's sort of like this
Speaker 1: impetus for him. We're watching this movie and at some
Speaker 1: point my wife Angie, she's like, she's like Tom Hardy
Speaker 1: better fucking go Tom Hardy pretty soon on this fucking
Speaker 1: because I can't handle it anymore. Which's like he's being
Speaker 1: Wade too nice. I need him to go.
Speaker 2: That's an excellent take.
Speaker 1: So I looked up John Wick and john Wick Came,
Speaker 1: which is also a movie about revenge that spurred on
Speaker 1: and these guys kill this guy's dog and that's why
Speaker 1: he goes on this whatever Kenna reeves. They came out
Speaker 1: in the same year. It's really interesting to me he
Speaker 1: had these two movies and feature dogs at the center.
Speaker 1: So No, I really liked it a lot. That's great.
Speaker 1: I've never seen that movie before. It was Gandalfini's last movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, and written by Dennis Lahine. Yes, written which I knew,
Speaker 3: and then I didn't know when I was watching it,
Speaker 3: and then I was like, oh, yeah, that makes total
Speaker 3: sense at the end. I haven't seen the John Wick movies,
Speaker 3: but I recently was like, I have to watch these.
Speaker 3: I just showed point Break to my two sons just
Speaker 3: fucking psychotic given their ages. But I'm on this like
Speaker 3: Catherine Bigelow, kick right now, okay, okay, And this has to.
Speaker 2: Do with bike riders as well.
Speaker 3: Like her whole thing is like these like small little
Speaker 3: I don't want to say secret societies, but these little
Speaker 3: worlds that are just exist under themselves, you know, police surfers,
Speaker 3: elite seal groups who kill Osama Bin Moden, whatever, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, and bike Riders sounds to
Speaker 3: me like it's ilk completely totally. I was watching Point
Speaker 3: Break and Keano's driving that badass Camaro and I was like,
Speaker 3: is that the same car he drives in john Wick?
Speaker 3: Did they liked? Is that an homage to Pope Break?
Speaker 3: I get to figure that out. I've never seen john
Speaker 3: Wick stuff, but I'm excited to watch it with my kids. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think I can get away with that, right. It's
Speaker 3: just like Karate Kicks and Shit.
Speaker 2: Isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's like gun karate. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of gun violence in it, but but it's they'll be fine.
Speaker 3: It can't be as it can't be as explicit as
Speaker 3: Anthony Keatus's chest in point break. So I think, I'm
Speaker 3: okay you you used.
Speaker 1: You gave me such shit years ago for showing good
Speaker 1: Fellows to my son when he was I forget how
Speaker 1: old he was. He was like twelve, maybe twelve, I think,
Speaker 1: and you were like you did what?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, just fucking wait till you get there, man,
Speaker 1: I've gotten there, and I'm there.
Speaker 2: I'm there.
Speaker 3: It's brutal, I'm there. Harlan begged me to watch Goodfellas
Speaker 3: and I showed it to him last year, so he
Speaker 3: was I don't think he was quite twelve yet.
Speaker 1: Did he dig it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: He didn't. And it's a great example. So I'm like, see,
Speaker 3: you weren't ready.
Speaker 1: You weren't ready for that.
Speaker 3: Now you got fucking burned. Now you lost your fucking
Speaker 3: goodfella's cherry, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the worst thing too. When you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you got to see this fucking movie and you show him,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh that that wasn't that great, And let
Speaker 1: me tell you why. It's like, you know, what, why
Speaker 1: do I even watch things with you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Exactly, And why are you here?
Speaker 3: Dude? An hour an hour into an hour into Goodfellas
Speaker 3: he goes. He literally goes, so does this movie have
Speaker 3: like a plot? Oh my god, Oh I'm dead, I'm failing.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, man, the soccer game started. I gotta go,
Speaker 3: all right, uh messy against Egypt.
Speaker 2: We gonna get into the thanks dude populator.
Speaker 1: Okay, gang, there you go. Some rebel recommendations for your
Speaker 1: listening and viewing pleasure. If you want to give us
Speaker 1: some more recks for rebel films and rebel songs, do
Speaker 1: it up, man. Six one seven nine oh six six
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Speaker 1: first of all, Right, now in your Hollywood land, feed
Speaker 1: our episode on James Dean Number two coming at you
Speaker 1: this Friday. We've got a new episode of the Screening Room,
Speaker 1: and this week I'm talking all about the nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: five film Rebel Without a Cause, starring James Dean along
Speaker 1: with Natalie Wood and sal Mineo. Number three. Next week
Speaker 1: on Monday, we're bringing you our fully scripted and sound
Speaker 1: design episode on Gianni VERSACEI. Number four. Over in our
Speaker 1: sister show, Disgraceland, we've got a brand new episode on
Speaker 1: Jim Morrison Jimbo the Doors, titled Who Killed Jim Morrison?
Speaker 1: But wait, Jim Morrison overdosed on heroin because he was
Speaker 1: a drug addict rock star, just like Janis Joplin. Right wrong?
Speaker 1: Who exactly was the Count, the French aristocrat who was
Speaker 1: there at the scene of Jim's death, the same man
Speaker 1: who was with Janis Joplin hours before she died, who
Speaker 1: was rumored to be somehow involved with Jimmy Hendrix, the
Speaker 1: friend of Keith Richards and Graham Parsons. And why did
Speaker 1: Jim Morrison hate him so much? And why was Mick
Speaker 1: Jagger's ex girlfriend Maryann Faithful so insistent that she knew
Speaker 1: how Jim really died. To hear that story, To hear
Speaker 1: our take on the death of Jim Morrison, go listen
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Speaker 1: in honor of this week's episode, is what America was
Speaker 1: watching at the movies in January twenty fifteen, the month
Speaker 1: that Frank Mazzola, the guy who taught James Dean how
Speaker 1: to be a rebel, died at the age of seventy nine.
Speaker 1: Number one American Sniper directed by Clint Eastwood. Number two
Speaker 1: Taken three, directed by Olivier Megaton names number three The
Speaker 1: Hobbit direct The Battle of the Five Armies directed by
Speaker 1: Peter Jackson directed by Angelia. Number four directed by Jared
Speaker 1: Into the Woods directed by Rob Marshall directed by The Halt.
Speaker 1: Number five, Unbroken directed by Angelina Jolie Jeremy. Number six
Speaker 1: Paddington directed by Paul King. Number seven's The Wedding Singer
Speaker 1: directed by jaredy. After that, quit talking and start mixing
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