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In this week’s Wrap Party, Zeth is talking about director Peter Bogdanovich and his disgraceful behavior following the murder of 20-year old model and actress Dorothy Stratten in 1980. Later, Jake Brennan of Disgraceland joins to give private investigator-themed movie and music recommendations. Plus, your voicemails, texts, and emails. Become an All Access member today by visiting disgracelandpod.com.

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Speaker 1: Dear listeners of Hollywood Land, does it feel like you're

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Speaker 1: the stories that were left behind, the very same stories

Speaker 1: that have made you the most dangerous person at the party.

Speaker 1: I'm your host, Zeth Lundy, writer, showrunner, and good doctor

Speaker 1: here at Double Elvison Today in the hollywood Land Rap Party,

Speaker 1: we're talking about the anniversary of the murder of Dorothy Stratton.

Speaker 1: We're talking about the questionable behavior of the director Peter

Speaker 1: Bogdanovic in the wake of that murder. We're also talking

Speaker 1: private eyes there watching you. Later in the episode, I'll

Speaker 1: be joined by Disgrace Lands Jake Brennan to drop some

Speaker 1: dirty res on great movies and music that have something

Speaker 1: to do with pis The Brothers Seamus and as always,

Speaker 1: I've got your calls, text and emails. So come on, everybody,

Speaker 1: let's party. I was just reading that. Gina Gershon, The actress.

Speaker 1: Gina Gershon has a new memoir coming out. It's called

Speaker 1: Are you ready for this title? Hang on? Are you

Speaker 1: sitting down? Okay? It's called Alpha Pussy Colin How I

Speaker 1: Survived the Valley and Learned to Love My Boobs. Okay,

Speaker 1: that's the title of the Gina Gershon memoir. In this memoir,

Speaker 1: Gina Gershon tells a story about how back in nineteen

Speaker 1: eighty one, she went out dancing at a nightclub in

Speaker 1: la with her friend Jody Foster. Gershan would have been

Speaker 1: about nineteen, Jody Foster was about twenty years old. The

Speaker 1: club was twenty one plus, but Gershan points out they

Speaker 1: got in because Jody Foster was already famous. So they're

Speaker 1: in there, they're dancing, they're minding their own business, and

Speaker 1: this weird dude with a mustache comes up to Gina Gershon.

Speaker 1: He asked her if she ever thought about posing for

Speaker 1: Playboy magazine. He said he knew the hef double h

Speaker 1: Hugh Hefner, and he could make an intro. Gina Gershon

Speaker 1: turned him down, said, now she's focusing on her acting career.

Speaker 1: She didn't want to pose nude because that seemed like

Speaker 1: the opposite of what she was going for. And this

Speaker 1: guy mentioned that his wife, Dorothy was an actress, that

Speaker 1: she had started out posing in Playboy, and that that

Speaker 1: had opened these doors for her, and now she was

Speaker 1: starring in a Peter Bogdanovitch film. But still Gina Gershawn

Speaker 1: was like, Nah, thanks, dude, I'll pass get out of here,

Speaker 1: you slimeball. She actually writes, quote, he was so slimy

Speaker 1: he practically left a trail of ooze in his wake unquote.

Speaker 1: And then three weeks later, Gina Gershawn opens the La

Speaker 1: Times and reads this article about this dude, Paul Snyder,

Speaker 1: the guy who had approached her in that nightclub, and

Speaker 1: how he murdered his strange wife, Dorothy Stratton, and then

Speaker 1: killed himself. That murder suicide took place forty six years

Speaker 1: ago this week, on August fourteenth, nineteen eighty and chances

Speaker 1: are you just listened to our fully scripted and sound

Speaker 1: design episode on Dorothy Stratton that we released into the

Speaker 1: feed back on Monday. This is a very different episode

Speaker 1: for us than usual. It's very hard boiled, very noir.

Speaker 1: In the vein of Raymond Chandler or dashil Hammett told

Speaker 1: from the point of view of a private eye, or

Speaker 1: of the private eye who was hired by Paul Snyder

Speaker 1: to follow Dorothy's Stratton when he suspected that she was

Speaker 1: having an affair. Now, Dorothy wasn't hiding her relationship with

Speaker 1: Peter Bogdanovich. In fact, she sent Paul Schneyder a letter

Speaker 1: telling him she wanted a separation, and she moved into

Speaker 1: Bogdanovitch's home in bel Air. Dorothy was in a romantic

Speaker 1: relationship with Peter Bogdanovic, but she was also co starring

Speaker 1: in his latest film They All Laughed, alongside Bengazara, John

Speaker 1: Ritter and Audrey Hepburn. Now remember, at this moment circa

Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, Peter Bogdanovitch is in a bad way. He's

Speaker 1: in a slump. He's made something like three turkeys in

Speaker 1: a row. It's been about a decade since his excellent

Speaker 1: film The Last Picture Show, starring Jeff Bridges and Sybil Shepherd.

Speaker 1: Who remember Sybil Shepherd was also a twenty year old

Speaker 1: model when he met her and fell in love. Slash

Speaker 1: became obsessed with her. So after being in this relationship

Speaker 1: for years, Sybil Shepherd had left Peter Bogdanovich. So he's depressed,

Speaker 1: he's making shit movies, and talk around town is that

Speaker 1: he's this flash in the pan who made a handful

Speaker 1: of good pictures back in the early seventies, but his

Speaker 1: true colors have shown and he's nothing but a hack now, right,

Speaker 1: This is the vibe at the time. It's at this

Speaker 1: time that Bogdanovich is also spending a lot of time

Speaker 1: hanging out at the Playboy Mansion, which I guess is

Speaker 1: where you go when you've been dumped and you're depressed

Speaker 1: and you're making bad movies in Hollywood in the late

Speaker 1: seventies early eighties, And this is where he meets and

Speaker 1: falls in love with Dorothy. And look, if you haven't

Speaker 1: heard the Dorothy Stratton episode yet, if you're kind, if

Speaker 1: you're getting lost here. Dorothy Stratton was a playboy model

Speaker 1: first and an actress second. She was quote unquote discovered

Speaker 1: as a teenager working at a dairy queen by Paul Snyder,

Speaker 1: the guy who would become her husband. But Snyder was

Speaker 1: also a hustler and a manipulator and an abuser. And

Speaker 1: so you know, when Dorothy meets Bogdanovich, she's already looking

Speaker 1: for a way out of her current unhappy scenario. And

Speaker 1: depending on who you talked to, Dorothy either didn't feel

Speaker 1: the same way about Bogdanovitch or she did. But what

Speaker 1: is for certain is that many people warned Peter Bogdanovitch

Speaker 1: that Paul Snyder was like a time bomb waiting to

Speaker 1: go off. Bogdanovic didn't worry about it, He didn't think

Speaker 1: about it. He instead cast Dorothy in this new movie

Speaker 1: he was making. They all laughed. The movie started shooting,

Speaker 1: and Snyder started going off the deep end. He bought

Speaker 1: a shotgun. He started to erradically call Bogdanovitch's ex wife

Speaker 1: looking for Peter Bogdanovich now apparently also Paul Snyder, being

Speaker 1: the piece of shit, bottom feeding weasel that he was.

Speaker 1: He he had convinced Dorothy Stratton that she still owed him

Speaker 1: money for everything that he did to make her what

Speaker 1: she was, to turn her into Playboy's Playmate of the

Speaker 1: Year and now a Hollywood actress and all that. So

Speaker 1: Dorothy was still giving him money unbeknownst to Bogdanovitch, as

Speaker 1: my guess. And so it was in the morning of

Speaker 1: August fourteenth, nineteen eighty, that Dorothy left Peter Bogdanovitch's home

Speaker 1: and went to Paul Snyder's place to make another payment.

Speaker 1: And that's when Snyder murdered her. Heads up, guys, this

Speaker 1: gets really brutal and disturbing for a minute, just for

Speaker 1: a second here, and if you don't want to hear this,

Speaker 1: just skip ahead thirty seconds or so. Okay, Paul Snyder

Speaker 1: killed Dorothy Stratton with a shotgun blast, and then he

Speaker 1: arranged her body on an exercise bench and proceeded to

Speaker 1: have sex with her corpse before he turned the gun

Speaker 1: on himself. There are other gory and disturbing details that

Speaker 1: I won't get into here. Suffice to say it's fucked up.

Speaker 1: It's so fucked up. One of the most fucked up

Speaker 1: things we've ever covered here, all right, And that's really

Speaker 1: all I can say about it. It's fucked up, and

Speaker 1: this guy was an evil piece of shit. A few

Speaker 1: months later, though, Teresa Carpenter wrote a piece for The

Speaker 1: Village Voice titled Death of a Playmate, which ran in

Speaker 1: the paper in November of nineteen eighty. The subheader reads,

Speaker 1: Dorothy Stratton was the focus of the dreams and ambitions

Speaker 1: of three men. One killed her, Teresa Carp. She went

Speaker 1: on to win the Pulitzer Prize for this piece, a

Speaker 1: piece which did not let Hugh Hefner or Peter Bogdanovitch

Speaker 1: off the hook entirely. Bogdanovich was forty one when Dorothy

Speaker 1: Stratton died again, she was only twenty, okay, And the

Speaker 1: story gets even stranger from here. First of all, in

Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, the company that was to fun Bogdanovitch's film,

Speaker 1: they all laughed, the one with the Dorothy Stratton co

Speaker 1: start in this company called Time Inc. It went tits up,

Speaker 1: all right. So Bogdanovic put up five million dollars of

Speaker 1: his own money to release this film, and it went

Speaker 1: on to gross less than one million. The financial ruin

Speaker 1: of this underscored the emotional ruin, the psychological ruin that

Speaker 1: was Peter Bogdanovitch. At this time. He said this quote,

Speaker 1: the day Dorothy was killed, I just didn't care about

Speaker 1: my career anymore. It was like a bomb went off

Speaker 1: and I was left standing. But I wasn't the same

Speaker 1: person that took away a decade unquote. So Bogdanovich has

Speaker 1: this bomb, which had followed three other bombs. So he

Speaker 1: put his movie career on hold to write his own

Speaker 1: memoir about the Dorothy Stratton saga, a book called The

Speaker 1: Killing of the Unicorn Colan Dorothy Stratton in nineteen sixty

Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty. In this book, he vilified Hugh Hefner.

Speaker 1: He basically blamed hef for playing a part in what

Speaker 1: happened to Dorothy without having the ability to see perhaps

Speaker 1: how he may have played a part in it as well.

Speaker 1: Bogdanovich wrote, quote, if the shadowy Hefner's side of the

Speaker 1: pyramid had never existed, Dorothy would not have died. She

Speaker 1: could have dealt with Paul Snyder, a small town pimp

Speaker 1: who first spotted and sold her, but she could not

Speaker 1: handle the slick professional machinery of the Playboy sex factory.

Speaker 2: Quote.

Speaker 1: Hefner, of course took great offense to this, and he retaliated,

Speaker 1: guns blazing. He held a press conference at the Playboy mansion.

Speaker 1: He accused Bogdanovich of seducing Dorothy Stratton's mother in breaking

Speaker 1: up her marriage, and then of also seducing Dorothy's little

Speaker 1: sister Louise when she was just thirteen years old, even

Speaker 1: paying for dental work in order to make her look

Speaker 1: more like Dorothy. This is nineteen eighty five, this press conference.

Speaker 1: Louise Stratton sued Hugh Hefner, claiming slander, libel, and invasion

Speaker 1: of privacy. She later dropped the lawsuit. Bogdanovich later issued

Speaker 1: an apology, and in nineteen eighty eight, when she turned twenty,

Speaker 1: Louise Stratton married Peter Bogdanovic. Twenty years old, the exact

Speaker 1: same age that Sybil Shepherd was when Bogdanovitch fell for her.

Speaker 1: He was thirty one, the exact same age Louise's sister,

Speaker 1: Dorothy Stratton was when Bogdanovich became smitten with her. He

Speaker 1: was forty one. In nineteen eighty eight, when Louise was twenty.

Speaker 1: When she married Peter Bogdanovic, he would have been fifty

Speaker 1: seven years old. I'm just going to leave that there.

Speaker 1: That's like, it's like Vertigo come to life, but involving

Speaker 1: girls in you know, underage girls. It's fucking really fucking

Speaker 1: weird and creepy, and you know, learning this about Peter Bogdanovitch. It's,

Speaker 1: you know, never never will look at him the same

Speaker 1: way again. And the way I've always kind of looked

Speaker 1: at him is sort of this like this dude that

Speaker 1: wears the neck kerchiefs. You know, he always has the

Speaker 1: fucking bandana around his neck stuffed into his shirt, which

Speaker 1: always kind of gave me this like high falutin, holier

Speaker 1: than now kind of vibe that always kind of rub

Speaker 1: me their own way anyways. But but so this happens,

Speaker 1: he marries Louise. You know, he never made another great

Speaker 1: film again, not a capital G great film. I don't

Speaker 1: think since Paper Moon in nineteen seventy three did he

Speaker 1: ever make another great film. That's my hot take, although

Speaker 1: something tells me it's not so hot. I know that

Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino put They All Laughed on his site and

Speaker 1: sound ballot some years back. That's the BFI cit and

Speaker 1: sound pole of filmmakers and critics that is as often

Speaker 1: touted as like the pole for cinema. He put that

Speaker 1: movie on there, alongside the good, the Bad, and the

Speaker 1: ugly taxi driver Days did Confused and good for him.

Speaker 1: That's a qt hot take. I guess I should amend

Speaker 1: my take a little bit because I admittedly have not

Speaker 1: seen every single film Bogdanovic ever made, but of the

Speaker 1: films I've seen, I think he made three great films

Speaker 1: in succession. The Last Picture Show, What's Up? Doc in

Speaker 1: Paper Moon Mask in the eighties with Cher I remember

Speaker 1: that being cheesy as a kid, I suppose I could

Speaker 1: revisit it Texasville, the sequel to Last Picture Show. Didn't

Speaker 1: like it the thing called love not my thing, and

Speaker 1: I probably admitiately liked it way more than I would

Speaker 1: have because of River Phoenix, because he's in it. That's

Speaker 1: me now. I could not handle Eddie Hazard as Charlie Chaplin.

Speaker 1: So there you go. Back to our episode here, I

Speaker 1: mentioned that it's unorthodox. Our episode on Dorothy Stratton is

Speaker 1: unorthodox because we tell this story through the eyes and

Speaker 1: the words of the private investigator who was hired by

Speaker 1: Paul Schnyder to keep an eye on Dorothy. So with

Speaker 1: that in mind, for a little bit of levity here

Speaker 1: with this tragic, brutal story. This week, I'm going to

Speaker 1: be joined by Jake Brennan. That's Jake Brennan from Your

Speaker 1: Favorite Music and True Crime podcast. Tosgraceland, and we're going

Speaker 1: to give you guys some dirty Rex as we always

Speaker 1: do this time, recommendations of movies and music about private Investigators,

Speaker 1: about Brothers Shamus, about spying and lurking and sneaking and

Speaker 1: staking out. And they're not going to be the expected things, right,

Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you recommendations about Chinatown and

Speaker 1: Inherent Vice. Okay, not going to be doing that. Stay

Speaker 1: tuned for that conversation. It's going to be irreverent and

Speaker 1: hopefully enlightening. As long as you guys enjoy it, we're

Speaker 1: going to be all good. Speaking of lists, I meant

Speaker 1: to mention this last week and I forgot Jake and

Speaker 1: I were talking about. Jakes sent me a text to it.

Speaker 1: AM was like, did you see this? Did you guys

Speaker 1: see that? James Elroy, one of the many patron saints

Speaker 1: of Disgraceland in Hollywood Land, named his top ten favorite

Speaker 1: films for Criterion. I'm guessing these top ten are taking

Speaker 1: from films that are in the Criterion collection because they're

Speaker 1: all part of the collection. But it's a fascinating list. Definitely.

Speaker 1: Elroy coded and I just wanted to run down this

Speaker 1: list real quick because it's sort of inspired me and

Speaker 1: Jake to not only revisit these movies or in some

Speaker 1: cases watch these movies for the first time, but maybe

Speaker 1: do something with this list and have it drive some

Speaker 1: of our I don't know, some of our recommendations and

Speaker 1: content here on the show. This is James Elroy's top

Speaker 1: ten movie list for the Criterion Collection. Number one High

Speaker 1: and Low by Kira Kurosawa. Number two Brief Encounter directed

Speaker 1: by David Lean. Number three The Circle Rouge directed by

Speaker 1: Jean Pierre Melville. Number four pick Up on South Street

Speaker 1: directed by Samuel f Number five Kiss Me Deadly That's

Speaker 1: by Robert Aldridge. Number six Auto Preminger's Anatomy of a Murder.

Speaker 1: Number seven Nashville, directed by Robert Altman and Elroy. Alroy

Speaker 1: has a paragraph in all these movies, and for Nashville

Speaker 1: he writes, Nashville is the movie that Cinnadink's claim Citizen

Speaker 1: Kane is. I'm gonna start using Cinadinks for movie snobs.

Speaker 1: I love that Nashville is the movie that Cinadinks claim

Speaker 1: Citizen Kane is. Love that, James Elroy, thank you for that.

Speaker 1: Number eight Lavin Sura by Michael Angelo Antonioni, number nine,

Speaker 1: Miller's Crossing, Hell Yeah by the Coen Brothers, Number ten,

Speaker 1: Band of Outsiders by Jean Luke Gooddard Scott. Me thinking

Speaker 1: what my top ten criterion collection movies would be. I'm

Speaker 1: I'm gonna noodle on that, and maybe I'll make a

Speaker 1: list at some point, because making lists for fun. Okay, guys,

Speaker 1: looking into the crystal ball. Here coming at you later

Speaker 1: this week on Friday here in Hollywood Land, I've got

Speaker 1: a brand new episode of the Screening Room for you

Speaker 1: guys on Friday, in which I will do a deep

Speaker 1: dive into the nineteen eighty three film Star eighty, which

Speaker 1: was based on that Politzer Prize winning Village Voice article

Speaker 1: by Teresa Carpenter. It stars MARYL. Hemingway as Dorothy Stratton,

Speaker 1: Eric Roberts as Paul Snyder, and it was directed by

Speaker 1: Bob Fosse, who you may know from all that Jazz

Speaker 1: and Cabaret was the last film he ever directed. And

Speaker 1: then next week, coming on Monday, We've got our fully

Speaker 1: scripted and sound design episode on Robin Williams, Come in

Speaker 1: your way, perhaps the funniest dude whoever lived, Robin Williams

Speaker 1: the funniest Dude and the saddest story. You don't want

Speaker 1: to miss that one. But first I've got to talk

Speaker 1: with all y'all. I've got your voicemails, your text your emails.

Speaker 1: We're going to get into it right after this. What's up, guys,

Speaker 1: Doctor Lundy hanging with you here in the rap party

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Speaker 1: but just a heads up for all you gen extras

Speaker 1: out there and elder millennials, and I don't know for

Speaker 1: anybody who's interested in nineties era rock and roll. We've

Speaker 1: got a brand new episode about the Smashing Pumpkins, about

Speaker 1: how a drug related death led to the fracturing of

Speaker 1: the nineties era a rock giants, about how competing narratives

Speaker 1: amongst band members have complicated their legacy, and what Billy

Speaker 1: Corgan's strange interaction with a shape shifter has to do

Speaker 1: with it all. We also catalog all of the not

Speaker 1: so nice things that other musicians have said about Billy

Speaker 1: Corgan and the Matching Pumpkins. So if you want like

Speaker 1: a sort of a one stop shop for all those comments.

Speaker 1: We got you cover, guys. It's in the episode. You

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Speaker 1: telemophone six one seven nine oh six six six three eight,

Speaker 1: Be like a guy, Adam here in the nine oh

Speaker 1: three and give us a call. Matt. Play this voicemail

Speaker 1: from Adam Adam from Grove in Texas and currently in Maryland.

Speaker 3: Get a millennial, geriatric millennial.

Speaker 2: As we're called.

Speaker 3: I just had to stay after watching. No one will

Speaker 3: say to.

Speaker 1: You, what the actual fuck.

Speaker 3: I don't know if I just watched a movie about

Speaker 3: an alien invasion or a parasite or the weird small

Speaker 3: town dynamics of my over country Middle America. I am

Speaker 3: kind of lost on what I just watched. Yes, there's

Speaker 3: some legitimate, like nice creepy moments in the beginning, but

Speaker 3: then after that, like the second and third act just

Speaker 3: kind of completely lose it where I don't know if

Speaker 3: they were on some LSD or.

Speaker 2: Doing some like edibles or something.

Speaker 3: But I honestly, like I said, it was really like

Speaker 3: the actual stuffer her name now, but she was awesome.

Speaker 3: That doesn't struck me that she was also in the

Speaker 3: Last of.

Speaker 2: Us, but I thought I recognized her from somewhere. But

Speaker 2: this story in itself was just like I said. I

Speaker 2: don't know if it was about the aliens, the p

Speaker 2: person the people, or about the weird small town dynamics

Speaker 2: or about the parasite that took over the people and

Speaker 2: the aliens. So am I always seeing a movie about

Speaker 2: the parasite or is it about the aliens? What which one

Speaker 2: is it?

Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I got lost somewhere in the

Speaker 3: second third act. My favorite music for Aliens is probably

Speaker 3: Hanger eighteen for Medica. As of course, I guess that's

Speaker 3: the one, that big, big one that stands out on

Speaker 3: my mind because I still found myself rocking out for that.

Speaker 3: Whenever I get on a long dry I want to

Speaker 3: wake up.

Speaker 2: The guitar rifle will definitely lake me up at you know,

Speaker 2: three o'clock in the morning. Anyway, thanks for the show,

Speaker 2: you guys, bye.

Speaker 1: Adam, thank you for rapping the geriatric millenniums. I love

Speaker 1: that guys. Adam of course is talking about no one

Speaker 1: will save You, which was one of the recommendations that

Speaker 1: Jake and I gave out last week, I think last

Speaker 1: week or the week before. This is like UFO Alien recommendations.

Speaker 1: This was the nearly silent, completely silent movie with Caitlin

Speaker 1: Dever as the actress, Adam, who you're thinking of. She's

Speaker 1: also great in this movie called Book Smart, which is

Speaker 1: kind of like it's like super Bad, only from like

Speaker 1: a female point of view. This movie does go off

Speaker 1: the rails, doesn't it. I didn't want to give too

Speaker 1: much away when I recommended it, but yeah, it's kind

Speaker 1: of like an alien invasion on acid. And I think

Speaker 1: you're you know, I think you're right to ask these questions.

Speaker 1: The movie is highly metaphorical as well, and you're probably

Speaker 1: right in all the things that you've described. I think

Speaker 1: it's probably about all of those things because it contains multitudes, right, Adam.

Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling in, and I think you enjoyed

Speaker 1: the movie, or you enjoyed the experience. You enjoyed at

Speaker 1: least the first third, So there's that. Six one seven

Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. Last week, guys,

Speaker 1: we talked about these recent allegations against the actor and

Speaker 1: musician Jared Leto, which would come up in a BBC

Speaker 1: documentary news broke just recently, I guess that he was

Speaker 1: reportedly going to star in this new Barry Levinson political

Speaker 1: thriller called Assassination, alongside Jessica Chastain and Al Pacino and

Speaker 1: Brian Cranston. And apparently it's a new take on the

Speaker 1: JFK Assassination conspiracy. So Jared Leedo was supposed to be

Speaker 1: starring in this movie, and allegedly the news says that

Speaker 1: he lost this role because of these new allegations. So

Speaker 1: speaking of this, we got a text here from Robin

Speaker 1: in the four one two. Okay, it reads, my good doctor,

Speaker 1: Do I have a Jared Leto story for you?

Speaker 4: Now?

Speaker 1: Before anyone gets excited, I cannot confirm or deny any

Speaker 1: of the allegations that have been made about him. I

Speaker 1: can only tell you what happened to me. It was

Speaker 1: two thousand and three. I was nineteen years old, which

Speaker 1: is already in age when you have absolutely no business

Speaker 1: being left alone on a rock star's tour bus. But

Speaker 1: apparently nobody had invented that rule yet. I was writing

Speaker 1: for a music news zine at the time, and I

Speaker 1: got a signed to interview Jared Leto after a thirty

Speaker 1: seconds to Mars show. I wasn't even a fan. I

Speaker 1: was there because apparently journalism occasionally requires you to sit

Speaker 1: through music you don't like and then get on a

Speaker 1: stranger's bus. True story, Robin. After the show, I was

Speaker 1: escorted onto the tour bus and told Jared would be

Speaker 1: joining me shortly. So I sat there and sat there

Speaker 1: and sat there. Eventually, Jared Leto boards the bus. He

Speaker 1: walks over, extend his hand, and as we're shaking hands,

Speaker 1: he looks at me and casually says, sorry, I'm late.

Speaker 1: I have to masturbate after every show. At the time,

Speaker 1: I just thought he was wildly self important, like, of

Speaker 1: course you do. Of course Jared Leto has a post

Speaker 1: show masturbation ritual. I chalked it up to celebrity ego

Speaker 1: and moved on. It wasn't until years later, as I

Speaker 1: got older and started thinking about that interaction differently, that

Speaker 1: something clicked for me. I was nineteen, he was a

Speaker 1: grown man, and suddenly that bizarre little comment didn't feel

Speaker 1: quite so random. Maybe it was nothing, Maybe it was

Speaker 1: just an incredibly inappropriate attempt at humor. Maybe he really

Speaker 1: did have a post show ritual That was apparently important

Speaker 1: enough to make it part of his introductions, but I

Speaker 1: can't help wondering whether it was also a way of

Speaker 1: deliberately making a very young woman uncomfortable, throwing her off

Speaker 1: her game and seeing exactly how she would react. When

Speaker 1: I heard about the documentary and the allegations surrounding him,

Speaker 1: I can't say I was shocked. My reaction was more

Speaker 1: I'm surprised it took this long. Hey, Robin, thank you

Speaker 1: for writing in with that memory. First of all, sorry

Speaker 1: you had to sit on a tour bus and be

Speaker 1: subjected to some fucking jackass male behavior. And then secondly,

Speaker 1: I mean, your story kind of you know, lines up

Speaker 1: with all these other stories that I mean, that have

Speaker 1: been told over the years. So again, just like with you,

Speaker 1: I can't say I'm shocked about these other allegations that

Speaker 1: have broken through. Man, like that kind of thing. You know,

Speaker 1: that just sucks too, because, like you know, it's it's

Speaker 1: hard enough as it is, you're nineteen years old, you're

Speaker 1: writing for a zine. It's hard enough as it is,

Speaker 1: like meeting talking to you know, quote unquote rock stars,

Speaker 1: talking to movie stars over the phones one thing, but

Speaker 1: in person is even more. I mean, there's a lot

Speaker 1: and I don't know if that was his way of

Speaker 1: trying to break the ice, but it's a fucking stupid

Speaker 1: way to break the ice. And sorry you had that experience.

Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling in or writing in actually and

Speaker 1: telling us all about it. Thanks Robin, and thanks for

Speaker 1: listening to the show. Six one seven nine oh six

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Speaker 1: here from Amanda. The subject line is Marilyn Monroe River.

Speaker 1: Hey there, Amanda here. I just listened to the River

Speaker 1: of No Return episode. A Marilyn fan for as long

Speaker 1: as I could remember, when my grandma had on a

Speaker 1: TCM marathon of her movies, I became obsessed. Like most,

Speaker 1: I assume I fell in love with her, and my

Speaker 1: favorite movie is The Prince and the Showgirl alongside Lawrence Olivier,

Speaker 1: which is not one of her well known movies. Anyways,

Speaker 1: as I was listening, I thought of a river song

Speaker 1: add to your list for the River of No Return episode,

Speaker 1: like a bridge over troubled Water reminds me of it.

Speaker 1: For a few reasons, she really never had a solid

Speaker 1: bridge in her life and being a movie about Troubled Waters.

Speaker 1: I thought of it, whether it be the original or

Speaker 1: Anne Murray's version. Hope it makes the cut, Amanda. Hey, Amanda,

Speaker 1: thank you for writing in and great recommendation. Aman is

Speaker 1: talking about We did an episode of the Screening Room

Speaker 1: last week on the river of a River of No Return,

Speaker 1: not the River Zeth River of No Return, which is

Speaker 1: an Auto Prevenger film with Marilyn Monroe and Robert Mitcham.

Speaker 1: We make a mixtape in those episodes of songs that

Speaker 1: inspired by the movie. And how did I not think

Speaker 1: of Bridge over Troubled Water? Great pick, Amanda, great poll.

Speaker 1: What about Aretha's version Live at Film or West? Do

Speaker 1: you know that one? That's a If you don't, it's

Speaker 1: a killer version. I mean, Aretha can can do no

Speaker 1: wrong with any song that she covers, but she really

Speaker 1: it's almost like that song, you know, the Simon and

Speaker 1: Garfunk original is great, but it's like someone like her

Speaker 1: just elevates that song to the next level. Thanks Amanda.

Speaker 1: I'm definitely putting that on the mixtape for sure. I

Speaker 1: got a text here from the seven to two oh

Speaker 1: I was talking about biopics the other week talking about

Speaker 1: Bohemian Rhapsody biopic because I just wrote a Queen episode

Speaker 1: of Disgraceland about Queen and Freddie Mercury, and we were talking, Oh,

Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe the Blonde biopick, so I got this text

Speaker 1: from the seven to two. Oh that re I so

Speaker 1: agree with you, Zeth. On Bohemian Rhapsody, Freddie was portrayed

Speaker 1: as diminutive, awkward and sad, flicking light switches, alienating everyone.

Speaker 1: I don't buy it, and everything Gay's shown about him

Speaker 1: was made sinister or salacious. His relationship with Mary was forefront,

Speaker 1: yet they barely scratched the surface of his seven year

Speaker 1: loving partnership with Jim Hutton. I was hoping Rodney Malack

Speaker 1: would go more Tim Curry with the character, or had

Speaker 1: they been able to keep the original choice. Sasha Baron

Speaker 1: Cohen tall strapping confident. That's how I saw Freddie Mercury.

Speaker 1: But he was written too poorly by his former bandmates.

Speaker 1: They did him dirty. The live aid concert scene was redemptive,

Speaker 1: but Freddy wasn't diagnosed with AIDS until two years after

Speaker 1: that concert. So the big triumph in the face of

Speaker 1: tragedy ending is chronologically inaccurate. Freddie deserved so much more

Speaker 1: seven to two zero. I agree with you. You'll hear

Speaker 1: when this episode comes out. Whenever this comes out a

Speaker 1: couple months from now, maybe when you hear this episode,

Speaker 1: I get into a lot of these things you're talking

Speaker 1: about right up front, right off the bat, A lot

Speaker 1: of the inaccuracies in the movie, and the portrait of

Speaker 1: Freddy was so much more complex than they let on.

Speaker 1: And there's just a lot about the culture, the subculture

Speaker 1: that he got into that would have been really fascinating

Speaker 1: to explore in this movie, but they didn't explore it

Speaker 1: in order to sanitize it, I guess. And it's strange

Speaker 1: that all the band members just sort of say, like, Nope,

Speaker 1: this was the Freddie Mercury that we knew, which you

Speaker 1: know it could have been, because I think I think

Speaker 1: it's true that Freddy kind of compartmentalized his life, and

Speaker 1: that he had certain people that knew about certain things

Speaker 1: and certain people that accompanied him to certain places, and

Speaker 1: other people did not. I mean, Brian May and John

Speaker 1: Deacon were like family men who like just went home

Speaker 1: to their wives and weren't out partying like Roger Taylor

Speaker 1: and Freddie Mercury were But anyways, I agree with you.

Speaker 1: Seven to two oh the biopic The biopick Problem. It

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give you, guys some Dirty Rex, all right,

Speaker 1: movies and music about Private Eyes. Stay tuned, Welcome back

Speaker 1: to the wrap party. We are in the recommendation section

Speaker 1: of the show The Dirty Rex. Time for some Dirty

Speaker 1: Rex with my, my, my guy, Jake Brennan. What's happening, dude?

Speaker 4: We got the Dirty Rex? Baby I hear Thurst and

Speaker 4: more singing in the in the tune of dirty Boots.

Speaker 1: Oh man. We need a theme song to Dirty Rex.

Speaker 1: We need we need to Disco to send us a

Speaker 1: theme song we can play at the top of this.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're taking We're taking free solicitations here. Yes,

Speaker 4: for theme songs. Thank you very much. So this is

Speaker 4: the hardest one have you've given me so far?

Speaker 1: Yeah. I realized this after I gave it to you.

Speaker 1: I was I was gonna go I was gonna talk

Speaker 1: about I talked about Peter Bogdanovic and the B Block

Speaker 1: and about how he made great movies early on in

Speaker 1: his career and then sort of like fell off later.

Speaker 1: And so at first I was like, let's talk about

Speaker 1: filmmakers or bands that did that that started out hot

Speaker 1: and then sort of like but then I was like,

Speaker 1: that's kind of negative, and yeah, subject matter it's pointless. Yeah,

Speaker 1: and the subject matter is so dark this week that

Speaker 1: I wanted some levity. So I went with the private

Speaker 1: investigator angle, and which I realized for me, I was like, well, shit,

Speaker 1: I think that's my favorite genre of film. And I'm

Speaker 1: like looking through a list of like everyone knows all

Speaker 1: these like Chinatown, The Big Lebowski, The Big Sleep, the

Speaker 1: multice Falcon Vertigo, That, The Nice Guys, The Long Goodbye Blood,

Speaker 1: Simple Fletch, like it just goes on and on, and

Speaker 1: I'm like, these movies are all fucking incredible, but everybody

Speaker 1: knows them. And so it was difficult for me to

Speaker 1: come with some underrated undersung picks.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I can't wait to hear him. Remind me

Speaker 4: real quick, so star eighty Dorothy Stratton. It just I'm

Speaker 4: so convoluted in my brain. I've seen it. It's wait,

Speaker 4: she's Is it the story of her?

Speaker 5: No?

Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the story.

Speaker 1: Bob, story of Dorothy Stratton and Hemingway, Mariel or Maryel Hemingway.

Speaker 1: And then Eric Roberts plays Paul Schnyder, the skeezy hustler

Speaker 1: who sort of quote unquote discovered her and got her

Speaker 1: hooked up with Playboy and then eventually murdered her before

Speaker 1: he took his own life.

Speaker 4: And Bogdanovich had a real relationship with Dorothy Stratton, he

Speaker 4: was in real life, but he did not direct this film.

Speaker 1: Bob Fosse directed that. Correct, Yes, correct, And we're going

Speaker 1: to cover this film Friday in the screening room. Something

Speaker 1: really gross that I found out is that Bob Fosse

Speaker 1: actually made Eric Roberts sleep overnight in the house where

Speaker 1: Dorothy Stratton was murdered. And he was like, I don't

Speaker 1: want to fucking do that, and Bob Fosse fucking made

Speaker 1: him do it.

Speaker 4: That does not surprise me. I just first of all,

Speaker 4: I love Bob Fosse and I love all that jazz.

Speaker 4: And you know our side of the street here with

Speaker 4: problematic artists, there's few who rise to the level. Then,

Speaker 4: oh my god, I learned last night because I just

Speaker 4: finished watching Fossy Verdon. As you know, Fate would have

Speaker 4: it here as you're doing Star eighty. And that was

Speaker 4: the last movie he made. Yes, before that, he made

Speaker 4: All that Jazz Cabaret. He made Cabaret before that. But

Speaker 4: All that Jazz is is his masterpiece. I think Stanley

Speaker 4: Kubrick called it a perfect movie, which is saying something, yeah,

Speaker 4: and it is. It's genius. And I learned last night.

Speaker 4: So in the movie, have you seen All that Jazz?

Speaker 1: Yes?

Speaker 4: So you know how you know he has this relationship

Speaker 4: with his wife, Gwen Verdon, who you know, they're they're

Speaker 4: never really together throughout the second half of his career,

Speaker 4: but he's they're still I guess married, and he's free.

Speaker 4: They're free to see whoever they want. They're involving each

Speaker 4: other grim blah blah blah. But it's still paining the

Speaker 4: ass and convoluted. And he has a daughter but he

Speaker 4: has his girlfriend who becomes he has tons of girlfriends,

Speaker 4: but this one girlfriend and becomes like, uh, you know,

Speaker 4: a real ride er die from her perspective anyways, and

Speaker 4: she and he lets her into his life in a

Speaker 4: way that he doesn't let his other girlfriends in life.

Speaker 4: She has a relationship with his wife, Gwen. It's but

Speaker 4: he cast the action actually after they broke up, he

Speaker 4: fucking casts the real woman, his ex girlfriend, to play

Speaker 4: his girlfriend in the film, and the way it's depicted

Speaker 4: in Fosse Verden, he does so in a way where

Speaker 4: he can kind of through the act similar to Eric

Speaker 4: Robertson having him sleep in that house, he can he

Speaker 4: can enact some sort of twisted revenge through vengeance through

Speaker 4: through the act of being creative. It's really fucked up.

Speaker 4: I'm not doing it justice. But the guy, the guys

Speaker 4: me thinking all types of thoughts, like can you actually

Speaker 4: achieve the creative heights of people like Bob Fosse without

Speaker 4: being a total fucking asshole? Yeah, you know what I mean,

Speaker 4: right right? And I don't know the answer to that

Speaker 4: question still after all these years and doing this anyways, Yeah,

Speaker 4: go ahead.

Speaker 1: Well no, it's I was talking earlier about Peter Bogdanovitch,

Speaker 1: who wound up marrying Dorothy Stratton's little sister when she

Speaker 1: turned twenty, and he actually had he paid for her

Speaker 1: to have like dent People say he paid for her

Speaker 1: to have like plastic surgery to make her look more

Speaker 1: like Dorothy. Apparently he paid for dental work, which she

Speaker 1: like needed, but people say it made her look more like.

Speaker 1: It's just so fucked it's like so many levels of

Speaker 1: fucked up. Dude, Like it's it's gross.

Speaker 4: It really is fucked up. I'm laughing now, I'm laughing

Speaker 4: at the absurdity.

Speaker 1: Yeah, laugh absolutely, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: You know, Dorothy Stratton's little sister having to go through that.

Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just fucking shocked by this stuff still

Speaker 4: to this day. All Right, anyways, we're here to talk

Speaker 4: about three very difficult, dirty recommendations here, okay, because you

Speaker 4: know I can't come with watching the Detectives or Private Eyes,

Speaker 4: right or every breath you take. Well, see, you're gonna know.

Speaker 1: I figured that since those were such huge songs right

Speaker 1: off the battom, like there's gotta be others, right.

Speaker 4: Well, there's not really, And I mean there's three and

Speaker 4: I only knew one of them, and it's not even

Speaker 4: really a spy thing. So okay, that's fine, all right,

Speaker 4: I spy by Pulp. Okay, I guess I kind of

Speaker 4: knew this song all right from I almost said dirty

Speaker 4: class but different class? What is this? Ninety four ninety

Speaker 4: five Different Class the Pulp album. The song is pretty

Speaker 4: fucking creepy actually, and like it's it's a he's a

Speaker 4: creep anyways, Like Dravis Cocker is just the deshibition of Yeah.

Speaker 4: He he looks like a voyeur and you can go

Speaker 4: into that voyeuristic voice really quickly.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and it looks like a sketchy nick cave, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1: he suits and stuff.

Speaker 4: Yeah does he looks like the cousin who comes by

Speaker 4: their Craves house around Thanksgiving and doesn't want to hang out.

Speaker 1: Like this guy's too weird for me. I'm sorry, exactly exactly.

Speaker 4: So this is a depiction of this song that I

Speaker 4: found on the internet, and it just it explains it

Speaker 4: better than I could. The song follows. Okay, first of all,

Speaker 4: you know, just you know, we're with Paul Pierre. I

Speaker 4: just want to set the steen different class. There's a

Speaker 4: lot of class class English class issues on this album. Thematically,

Speaker 4: the song follows Cocker's protagonist as he spies on the

Speaker 4: lords and ladies, taking notes and studying them in order

Speaker 4: to eventually blow their paradises away, and in typical Jarvis

Speaker 4: Cocker fashion, I added that by sleeping with their wives.

Speaker 1: Oh man, so it's it's this guy watching and he's

Speaker 1: figuring everything out and then he's going to strike.

Speaker 4: But he's going to strike with sex. It's really fucking creepy.

Speaker 4: Uh yeah, by sleeping with their wives, smoking their cigarettes

Speaker 4: and drinking their brandy. Cocker wrote the track while he

Speaker 4: is on the dole in Sheffield, while he used to

Speaker 4: sneer at those on the street in spite of his

Speaker 4: own situation. How fucking English is that, where like you're

Speaker 4: on fucking welfare. You're being judgy about about it. Okay,

Speaker 4: sorry English people, but you know what I'm talking about,

Speaker 4: all right. The next one, so that was I Spy

Speaker 4: by Pulp. The next one, it just it just reminds

Speaker 4: me of like spy music, but it's not. Dan. Do

Speaker 4: you remember the Ripley series from a couple of years

Speaker 4: ago on Netflix. I fucking love the Priest. Yeah, hot priest,

Speaker 4: but it's also got the guy from the Outfit. This

Speaker 4: guy's fantastic. I think he's a musician as well. Okay, yeah,

Speaker 4: he's great. He's great. He's got like one of these mugs.

Speaker 4: It's like my new thing I'm calling I just wrote

Speaker 4: this in the Bobby Fuller episode. Like handsome enough, handsome

Speaker 4: enough for rock and roll, you know, like he's he's

Speaker 4: like he's he's like on the he's handsome. But he's

Speaker 4: got like some scarring as well, and not like cool

Speaker 4: knife scars, like acne scars, you know what I mean. Okay,

Speaker 4: he just he's got a really really cool look.

Speaker 1: This guy cool.

Speaker 4: Anyways, he's in Sicily and the theme to Johnny what

Speaker 4: was his name, Johnny.

Speaker 1: Johnny Flynn is it?

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he looks like a Johnny Flynn.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Yeah, that can't be his real name. It's it's too

Speaker 4: too appropriate.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Anyhow, The Ripley The Ripley TV Show soundtrack by Jeff Russo,

Speaker 4: the score, so oh yeah, yeah, he's great. And there's

Speaker 4: one one track in particular called Sicily, which is very

Speaker 4: Italian sounding guitar mandolin, but it just reminds me of

Speaker 4: like a cool fifties spy motif.

Speaker 1: Great. I love that.

Speaker 4: Okay. Yeah, I'm reaching here.

Speaker 1: No, it's right, I'm reaching too, don't oh, don't worry,

Speaker 1: I'm reaching.

Speaker 4: I had to have something that I was like subjectively

Speaker 4: connected to myself here. I couldn't just like do here

Speaker 4: are three songs I found on the internet. But anyways,

Speaker 4: here's a song I found on the internet and it's

Speaker 4: a good one. Though I will say this is fantastic

Speaker 4: and it is so problematic.

Speaker 5: Okay, it's called Thigh Spy Fi Spy thigh Oh bye

Speaker 5: oh part oh Man thigh Spy okay.

Speaker 4: By the Persuaders. Do you know the Persuaders were.

Speaker 1: I want to say, I will walk five hundred miles?

Speaker 4: That's no, no, no, no, no, that's who's that?

Speaker 1: The Proclaimers. That's the Proclaims. That's sorry, where I went

Speaker 1: walk five hundred miles?

Speaker 4: I always confused the Proclaimers with that band who has

Speaker 4: that great song that I love? You got the music

Speaker 4: in you?

Speaker 1: Oh? The New Radicals, New Radicals.

Speaker 4: I always confused the Proclaimers with the New Radicals. Don't

Speaker 4: tell them when I like that song. But I love

Speaker 4: that song. Fi Spy okay by the Persuaders The first

Speaker 4: time I heard this was this morning, and it's fucking great.

Speaker 4: It's great. It's completely fucked up. Though nineteen seventy one

Speaker 4: R and B band Persuaders had a hit you will

Speaker 4: have heard of for sure, thin Line Between Love and Hate.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah, also from nineteen seventy one. Okay, but this song,

Speaker 4: thy Spy, it's about a creep like fucking trying to

Speaker 4: get as much of that miniskirt view as he can get, okay,

Speaker 4: and basically he's.

Speaker 1: Chuck Berry action. You know, what's that little chuck Berry action.

Speaker 4: It's very chuck Berry and it's just comical, Like I

Speaker 4: can't look at it any other ways, forgive me, Like,

Speaker 4: I know, it's creepy old men talking about spying on

Speaker 4: looking up their skirts and the rationalizations are insane.

Speaker 1: But there's different time back then what you can sing

Speaker 1: about these things, you know.

Speaker 4: The totally different time. The harmonies are so fucking tight, dude, Yeah,

Speaker 4: they're so tight, and it's it's it's musically it's incredible.

Speaker 4: It's an art I don't want to say funk, but

Speaker 4: it's on the verge of funk. It's an R and

Speaker 4: B song and it's just like kind of typical but

Speaker 4: done at the highest level, and it's rare you hear

Speaker 4: these harmonies like this. It's just in this genre. Yeah,

Speaker 4: they're fantastic. And then all of a sudden, the song

Speaker 4: just takes off. The bass players like, I'm fucking out

Speaker 4: of here, and he just goes on this run brings

Speaker 4: the entire group with him. You're you're like, were you

Speaker 4: trying to have a hit because you had one up

Speaker 4: until five seconds ago when this thing took off in

Speaker 4: the other direction and what But I'm glad.

Speaker 1: They did because it's great.

Speaker 4: It's great. So THI thigh Spy by the Persuaders, forgive me,

Speaker 4: it's problematic. I'm going into I'm going into that. Yeah

Speaker 4: you know, you know you're.

Speaker 1: Getting a scandal up front, and so you know.

Speaker 4: These are dirty recks for a reason. Okay, those are

Speaker 4: my three thigh Spy by the Persuaders Sicily by Jeff

Speaker 4: Russo and I Spy by Pulp.

Speaker 1: You did a great job, that was Those were all

Speaker 1: unexpected and it was a tough category.

Speaker 4: I will say, there's a tough hang that one. All right,

Speaker 4: what do you got?

Speaker 1: All right? So, like I said earlier, there's I'm not

Speaker 1: going to go with anything super obvious, and what I

Speaker 1: ended up going with is movies with protagonists who are

Speaker 1: acts of dental investigators.

Speaker 4: Okay, so in the realm of mysteries there are three.

Speaker 4: There are three. There's the cozy mystery yep, the noir mystery,

Speaker 4: and the bumbling idiot mystery. Yes, Fletch being the best

Speaker 4: example of that, right, And this is so you're you're

Speaker 4: just entirely in the third category.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and maybe but maybe I'm not not completely

Speaker 1: fletch esque, but but heading in that direction. So my

Speaker 1: first movie as a nineteen fifty film noir called da

Speaker 1: which was remade in the eighties with Dennis Quaid and

Speaker 1: Meg Ryan. But I'm not recommending the Quaid Ryan version.

Speaker 1: I'm recommending the original nineteen fifties starring Emmin O'Brien. I remember,

Speaker 1: this is one of the first film noirs I ever

Speaker 1: saw as a teenager, and the premise is great because

Speaker 1: it opens with this dude who walks into a police station.

Speaker 1: He's been poisoned, he's about to die, and he's he's

Speaker 1: got to figure out who poisoned him, and he basically

Speaker 1: starts telling the cops his story and it flashes back

Speaker 1: and he becomes his own the investigator of his own mortal,

Speaker 1: of his own death.

Speaker 5: Right.

Speaker 4: See why don't they remake this for television? That's a

Speaker 4: great setup.

Speaker 1: Totally, and it's a it's a great it's an awesome

Speaker 1: fifties noir. And I remember it blowing my mind as

Speaker 1: a kid, kind of like William Faulkner blew my mind

Speaker 1: as far as like narrative goes where it's like, oh,

Speaker 1: like this is cool. How it's starting at the end

Speaker 1: and then it's going back and you know what I mean,

Speaker 1: really blew my mind open like that. But but it

Speaker 1: really fund.

Speaker 4: You're so New England dropping the Faulkner, Hey, you're so

Speaker 4: Leo Leo DiCaprio from Departed Motherfucker. It's Wahlberg who delivers

Speaker 4: the line, right.

Speaker 1: Yes, what's the latest curtain, motherfucker like you doing in

Speaker 1: the Stadies.

Speaker 4: Yeah no, but he's like no, yeah, yeah, he says that.

Speaker 4: But but DiCaprio quotes Shakespeare. ALRIGHTLERG goes what you don't

Speaker 4: know any fokker.

Speaker 1: It's like that's right, Oh my god, oh man, so good?

Speaker 4: All right.

Speaker 1: My second movie is a nineteen forty nine black and

Speaker 1: white movie by the great Akira Kurosawa called Stray Dog.

Speaker 1: This features a couple of his usual suspects. To Shira

Speaker 1: Mafuni and Takashi Shimura are both in this. They are

Speaker 1: in a lot of his movies. T Shira Mafuni plays

Speaker 1: a police officer who loses his gun right off the

Speaker 1: bat and he has to find his gun and he's

Speaker 1: been basically the premise, and this happens in Tokyo. This

Speaker 1: I missed this day that when we were talking about

Speaker 1: like sweaty summer movies. This is a great sweaty summer

Speaker 1: movie because it takes place in sweltering a sweltering summer

Speaker 1: day in Tokyo, and he's trying to so he's basically

Speaker 1: becomes not a private investigator, but he's trying to find it.

Speaker 1: He's investigating this, this crime that's been perpetrated upon him.

Speaker 4: See Ultimate mcguffin story.

Speaker 1: Yes, correct, correct?

Speaker 4: When is this made?

Speaker 1: Kurisala forty nine, dude? And there's some fucking incredible some

Speaker 1: incredible camera work in.

Speaker 4: This film, Okay, and a.

Speaker 1: Great performance by Mafuoni. And just I love Crasawa when

Speaker 1: he works in genre like high and low. This film

Speaker 1: he didn't do a lot of it, but it's really

Speaker 1: awesome to watch like a master director. And this is

Speaker 1: earlier in his career, of course, but to watch a

Speaker 1: master director just like get some piece of genre and

Speaker 1: just be like, cool, I'm going to make this genre picture. Yeah,

Speaker 1: and infuse my style into it. You know.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that too.

Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, My third pick here, you know this

Speaker 1: movie again, Accidental Investigator, the nineteen eighty one movie Blowout

Speaker 1: with John Travolta, directed by Brian to Palmer, and John

Speaker 1: Travolta plays this sound effects guy who's making a movie

Speaker 1: and he accidentally captures what he thinks to be a

Speaker 1: murder and ends up going down the rabbit hole trying

Speaker 1: to figure out what the hell's going on. It's like

Speaker 1: whole political conspiracy. Incredible use of sound in this film.

Speaker 4: Probably the best use of sound probably, you could argue

Speaker 4: that for that point. Yeah, you know, I mean conversation,

Speaker 4: you know, Di Palma was probably did he write this

Speaker 4: He I don't know if he wrote it or not.

Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he wrote.

Speaker 4: It, but I guarantee you the conversation had been out

Speaker 4: by this point.

Speaker 1: Oh yeah, conversation was like five or six years earlier.

Speaker 4: So De Palma's like vibing on Coppola's The Conversation Ted

Speaker 4: Kennedy fucking drives off the bridge and chap equidtic and

Speaker 4: kills that girl. There you go, and he's like, I

Speaker 4: got my movie, Yep, this is it, Yep, totally. I

Speaker 4: just need John Travolta. Somebody get me Travolta.

Speaker 1: A great Travolta performance. And I'm not a huge Di

Speaker 1: Palma was always like, I don't know, He's always been

Speaker 1: like black licorice for me personally. But this is one

Speaker 1: of the few to Palma films that I'm really into.

Speaker 4: What are the other big ones? Untouchables?

Speaker 1: I love the Untouchables. Scarface is another big one.

Speaker 4: I don't love those movies.

Speaker 1: I mean, I love him, but it's it's so over

Speaker 1: the top.

Speaker 4: I don't love either of them.

Speaker 1: Keep going, Carrie, I can't. I don't like Carrie.

Speaker 4: I'm sorry, So I don't love Carrie.

Speaker 1: It's not great.

Speaker 4: Do we not like Brian de Palmer.

Speaker 1: I don't think we do. He uh, Carlito's way, he

Speaker 1: did that.

Speaker 4: I like that he did christ like Sean Penn's hair

Speaker 4: in that Yeah, right, exactly, can we say we don't

Speaker 4: like scarface? I really don't think I like.

Speaker 1: I don't like it at all. That's the that's the shift,

Speaker 1: that's like the that's when Pacino went from one thing

Speaker 1: to another and he never looked back. He became the

Speaker 1: big like overblown, like say hello to my little you know,

Speaker 1: like he was like and then he's doing the whole

Speaker 1: like she's got a great ass, and like, you know,

Speaker 1: it's just all downhill from there. Man.

Speaker 4: Yeah, but in he I kind of see him as

Speaker 4: like that's who he really was in real life. Uh huh,

Speaker 4: Like he's just like, I'm not active.

Speaker 1: Well, wasn't he like on cocaine shooting that whole movie?

Speaker 4: He said anything about that movie? Besides I think it's great.

Speaker 4: I've seen it a million times. Have you read the

Speaker 4: book new book, the novelization that he did.

Speaker 1: Well, he wrote a he wrote a sequel. He wrote

Speaker 1: and then now they're shooting the sequel as a movie.

Speaker 4: Oh, I thought he wrote a novelization. I didn't realize

Speaker 4: it was a sequel.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's heat too.

Speaker 4: Yeah that's the book. Yep, that's fascinating.

Speaker 1: Has it ever been done before? Like Tarantino novelized. Wrote

Speaker 1: a novelization of Once upon a Time in Hollywood.

Speaker 4: M hmod one too.

Speaker 1: But I don't know that anyone director has written a

Speaker 1: sequel to their film.

Speaker 4: I think I just want to write novelizations. I could

Speaker 4: be creatively happy. It's such a low art form. But

Speaker 4: if someone was like, Jake, you're just the novelization guy,

Speaker 4: and we're going to pay you a handsome amount of money, yeah,

Speaker 4: and you're just going to write these, just let your

Speaker 4: mind go, man, Just you know, take a movie and

Speaker 4: just fucking dive in and go like, go like twelve

Speaker 4: feet deeper.

Speaker 5: On everything, I'd be like, fuck, yeah, I got this,

Speaker 5: just explore.

Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, see in two years. Checks in the mail,

Speaker 4: right yeah, yeah yeah. But I love them. I don't

Speaker 4: read them enough. I read them as a kid.

Speaker 1: Oh me too.

Speaker 4: I never read them anymore. They're so low brow?

Speaker 1: Do they still? They must still publish them, right, they must?

Speaker 4: They They're just cash cows, yeah, or they were. I mean,

Speaker 4: I don't even know to people fucking read books anymore.

Speaker 4: I don't know women read books. And I'm not being sexist,

Speaker 4: like this is literally like the New York Times right

Speaker 4: now and search male men and books, and you will

Speaker 4: find that they don't read books anymore. And there's all

Speaker 4: these thing pieces written about why that is. But it's true.

Speaker 4: I have very few men in my life that I

Speaker 4: talked to about books comparatively to talking about music or film.

Speaker 1: Wow. I'm reading a book right now, reading a book

Speaker 1: called Towny. If you read this.

Speaker 4: Book, is it, Chuck Hogan? No, it's uh.

Speaker 1: Andre dubou boos bah bah the oh yeah, sorry, it's

Speaker 1: set in heyrail Abril, tabl fucking backyard.

Speaker 4: Helltown Mark is going to be pissed.

Speaker 1: I know. Seriously, let's let's go back.

Speaker 4: What's what's you got caught up? Are you sure you're

Speaker 4: reading it? Is?

Speaker 1: I read? I read? I read chapter one? My guy,

Speaker 1: I just started it. I read the first chapter because

Speaker 1: I didn't know that's wasn't important to me. What was

Speaker 1: important is it was recommended and I started to read it.

Speaker 4: Who recommended it to you?

Speaker 1: Some guy from Habrol? I don't know. I swear to god,

Speaker 1: I'm reading this book though. I just got I picked

Speaker 1: the girls and I went on a nice little road

Speaker 1: trip the other day to the coast. We went and

Speaker 1: we found some hermit crabs and we got some ice cream,

Speaker 1: and then we stopped at this nice little bookstore and

Speaker 1: I picked this up.

Speaker 4: You should tell the people who you mean by the girls,

Speaker 4: so they don't think you have some bob daughters. My daughters.

Speaker 4: Well you went on this trip, and who wrote your

Speaker 4: one of your daughters recommended the book.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I don't forget. I just have a

Speaker 1: running list of my on my phone. I don't forget

Speaker 1: who or where. But I it in there and I

Speaker 1: saw it used and I grabbed it picked it up.

Speaker 1: Helltown Mark, don't kill me. Uh that I didn't. I

Speaker 1: didn't remember that it's set in April.

Speaker 4: Okay, well I got Are these all your recks?

Speaker 3: Yeah?

Speaker 1: There are three res, Blowout, DA and straight Dog.

Speaker 4: All right, all right, let's keep talking, but let's shut

Speaker 4: the mic off. All right, thanks guys, I got to

Speaker 4: get out of here.

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Speaker 1: America is watching at the movies in August nineteen eighty,

Speaker 1: the month that Dorothy Stratton was murdered at the age

Speaker 1: of twenty. Number one Smoking in the Band at two

Speaker 1: directed by Hal Needham. Number two Xanadu directed by Robert Greenwald.

Speaker 1: Number three The Octagon directed by Eric Carson. Number Final Countdown,

Speaker 1: Number four By The Final Countdown directed by Don Taylor,

Speaker 1: The Hunter, Number five, The Hunter directed by Buzz Kulick.

Speaker 1: Number six prom Night directed by Paul Lynch. Number seven

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