Former Satanist of 10 Years EXPOSES Truth - RTL Guest Appearance on Tree of Liberty Society
#Satanism #Satanic #Rituals
I am posting my recent appearance on the Tree of Liberty Society's show. I was asked to come on & share a part of my story, from when I was a Satanist. This is still a realitively new thing for me to talk about my story, butit is becoming more natural to tell it. Go check out Ben's channel, he's got some great content! I will link his channel & the video version of this show down below. Enjoy the show!
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Speaker 1: The best thing you can do is to honestly know
that these people are out there. Familiarize yourself enough with
the belief system, because I promise you they know everything
about your faith and your your your belief system, and
so familiarize yourself with your adversaries. It goes on the
past with the liveries, warriors and rebels and shame.
Speaker 2: Honey, special guests for you. I appreciate him being here.
Jacob from Rise to Liberty podcast. I was on his
show a few weeks ago and really enjoyed that, and
he brought up some things about himself that I was like, Wow,
that's that's interesting. I want to I want to hear
more about that. So Jacob's agreed to come on the
Tree of Liberty Society show and talk to us about
his story. So thank you, Jacob for coming on with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, thank you so much for having me.
So I've got a a lot of good feedback with
you on my show, So I'm very excited for this conversation.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be fun. Yeah, I think so too.
So some of the things that we covered on your
program was satanic ritual abuse, and you talked about how
you had actually been a member of was it the
Church of Satan or you just a Satanist and then
kind of got out of that. So tell us your story,
tell us kind of the specifics and and kind of
just tell us how you got into that, and then
we'll kind of ask some questions and get into how
you got out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was never officially a member of any
of the established organizations. I actually did at one point
send off bore my membership for the Church of Satan,
but I paid them money and I never heard back,
So they just.
Speaker 2: That Satanist didn't It wasn't honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got fifty bucks from me and never got
my card or anything. So, you know, kind of bums
me out now because it would have been a lot
easier to you know, hold up a membership card and
you know, been able to dissuade any doubt. But I mean,
there's there's other things that I can talk about and
stuff kind of prove that I actually was a Satanist.
Speaker 3: But so, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was never a member of any of the actual churches,
but I was a practicing Satanist for about ten years
and it was a little a little over ten years.
So I started claiming Satanist at about the age of nineteen, okay,
And so yeah, it was about twenty twenty nine. The
in between twenty nine and thirty one I left, Okay, So.
Speaker 2: That's what got you at nineteen You're like, you know,
usually by nineteen folks, you know, kids have maybe gotten
out of their their goth stage, and so this was
more of a serious decision. It seems like supposed to
just teenage rebellion.
Speaker 3: Right, right, So.
Speaker 1: What got me was really I just fell into the
trap of Satanism being like the ultimate rebellion, because I
mean I was and still am very rebellious. It's kind
of just like imprinted on me as a person. And
you know what's more rebellious rebellious than you know, rebellion
against God, you know, so, which which is honestly odd
because I didn't even believe in God. I was an atheist, right,
so I wasn't a theistic Satanist, so I didn't worship
Satan as a deity. So belief in God, I guess again,
because I was actually raised LDS. Ended up leaving the
church at about thirteen fourteen. I just started seeing some
hypocrisy within the church, and you know, young rebellious mind,
I just I couldn't process that and make it work.
And you know, I still am confused about some of
the hypocrisy that that I saw within the church. But
so I left the church. But I was just some
atheistic traps that I fell into the tree of knowledge.
That the reason why Eve was tempted to be begin
with is because that the snake was actually Satan that
was giving us a chance, us as humanity, giving us
a chance at free will. And so Satan was actually
freeing us from God's enslavement basically. And you know, Satan
is portrayed as the light bearer, you know, the knowledge giver.
So this was just a trap I fell into, and
you know, it made perfect sense to me, and a
lot of the the core beliefs, you know, the Satanic
commandments were all things that aligned with what I believed
and also just made a lot of sense to me
at the time. So so yeah, that's, uh, that's kind
of why I felt.
Speaker 2: How did you come across like what introduced you to
did just googling stuff or like what got you? I
can see how the arguments kind of got you, But
how did you even think to even look at that.
If you're an atheist, what are you looking?
Speaker 1: So, like I said it, Satan wasn't a deity to me,
so it was more of an idea than anything. And
to look into it. So I knew about it before.
I was like looking into it before I was like
looking for something. So I was kind of familiar with it.
And then, you know, I'm not really sure what like
pushed me in that direction to further read or get
into it. I wasn't really looking for a religion or
for a new belief system. But what got me was
the book the Satanic Bible. So I was familiar, like
I said, with some of the teachings and stuff. And
I've always just been an autodidact, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Learn on my own.
Speaker 1: I've always learned more outside of school than I ever
did in school. Yeah, And so I went and picked
up a copy of the Satanic Bible, and that's what
got me.
Speaker 3: So got ya?
Speaker 2: Okay, So you kind of like on your own, like
almost like an independent you know, an individual where you're
not joining any specific denomination. And you know, at this time,
maybe looking back at it, because I've maybe maybe I'm
just not dealing with enough atheist or not. But it
seems like I haven't come across a true atheist. Most
atheists that I interact with are just they just hate God, right,
and so that they're they're not. You can't hate something
you don't believe, and I don't hate zeus, you know,
and so to hate something you have to believe in
it to some extent at least. Did did you kind
of looking back, do you feel that that's more of
what it was or did you really just or were
you more agnostic or like.
Speaker 1: No, I truly did not believe in God. I had
no no belief. No, No, it wasn't just didn't believe
in them. No, I just didn't believe that God existed.
And it was more of like once we're dead, we're dead,
and that that was it. There's no afterlife. Didn't really
have an explanation other like for the creation of existence
other than it just was random and it happened, gotcha, Okay?
Speaker 2: So and then that's this as you entered kind of
you've you've latched on You've read the Satanic Bible and
you said this is you know, this is now my
belief system basically, And how does that develop over the
next you know, nine or ten years.
Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely did just get more interested in
the theology behind it, because, like I said, this is
definitely it wasn't a theistic belief. So I did just
become more familiar with theology. I read a lot more
branched out from the Satanic Bible, read lots of different
UH books on theory. And also at this point too,
after a couple of years in got involved in the
practicing of witchcraft. So which once again is kind of
interesting because I, you know, I didn't believe in like
I didn't believe in the devil as an entity nor God.
So looking back on it, it's like why be interested
in performing a ritual?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: But that that part like it, it started with me,
as it does with a lot of people, and it's usually.
Speaker 3: Psychodrama, or at.
Speaker 1: Least that's how it's sold in the beginning, right.
Speaker 3: So that's that's kind of.
Speaker 1: Psychodrama to what ends, oh, to upset Christians? Oh, just
or or to and anybody, to any anybody that would
be upset at the outward appearance of and practice thereof Satanism, right, So,
which is just kind of but it was definitely something
I believed in. It wasn't. It wasn't that was like
an added bonus to me.
Speaker 2: How was the cherry on top? Was you got to
drive people on.
Speaker 3: The wall, right right?
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, So as an atheist, what did you
think the rituals would would do and how did they
how in the under that mindset, how did you see
them as working?
Speaker 1: So, like I said, like as as I was first
introduced to them, it it wasn't doing anything other than
it was just cementing my legitimacy as a Satanist, because
I'm I'm actually not just talking about it, I'm actually
doing something about it. I'm I'm with other Satanists doing
the things that Satanists do. And so that's what it
was in the beginning, and as I got further into
it later on, I actually did end up developing a
belief in God, but as an opposition because I've at
least always been logical to the sense that if evil exists,
then good has to exist. And so late later on,
which we can get to. But it was it changed,
you know what changed? I'm not exactly sure, because it
was a gradual thing. It wasn't just like overnight like
all of a sudden, I had a belief. It was
much much later on. I ended up having a belief
in in more like energies not deities, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So, so backing up a little bit, sorry, I don't
mean hold your thoughts, don't know, You're fine. How did
you start to get and why did you start to
get involved with other Satanists?
Speaker 1: Well because of just being involved with other people with similar.
Speaker 2: Interests, gotcha? Okay, So just so kind of like one
reason for anyone he wanted a community either going to
church or kind of like you know, or you're going
to the game store and playing D and D with friends.
This is just kind of like another like an activity
to do with other people, right right, You know, I
had I had people I went to the bar with.
I had people that I went to concerts with, you know.
I I had people that you know, I would uh,
you know, have discussions of reading with, you know, like
not necessarily a book club, but you know friends that sports,
right exactly, group of friends. So amongst these group of friends,
were they talking to you about these like do you
think your relationship with them kind of helped to develop?
Without maybe being obvious because you probably had many of them.
I'm just guessing, maybe you can correct me. The other
individuals that you associated with probably had varying degrees of
unbelief and belief, and talking to them maybe started to
develop your belief.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it definitely did. I mean, just just
like it does in any other group. So the the
one thing I think people tend to not quite understand
is like, how average and plain most of this stuff is, right, Yeah,
it really is no different than anything else. And most
of the time, most people don't look like Satanists, they
don't act like Satanists, you know, they're literally your average
everyday people.
Speaker 2: Dress in the witch's hats in the no in the
warlock rooms, and.
Speaker 1: No, there are people but but yeah, I mean there
there are literally people that look like you. There's people
that look like me and everywhere in between. And like
I mean, there's families that are involved. I mean, there's
it's just like any other group, you know. So I
think that is a common misconception. It's it's not all
a bunch of redditors that you know, are overweight with
bad skin or something, you know, like it's it's it's
literally just just everybody and most most, not all, but
most Satanists, I would say, are actually decent people, even
though I strongly disagree with what they believe. You know,
I strongly disagree now with the beliefs, but like your
average person, I mean I, I just genuinely have a
have a belief that most people are good, even people
I disagree.
Speaker 2: With, So you probably set them up to be. Not all,
you would think that that mindset and that attitude would
set you up to be easily manipulated to do things
that are wicked because you don't believe that there is
good and bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it could.
Speaker 1: What kept me actually safe from a lot of these
things though, is my my innate like default to rebellion.
It's just it's so strong, which is why I never
wanted to join like a coven, because I had people
ask me to start covens. I had people asked me
to join theirs. But I would go to meetings, I
would talk to these people, but it was never it
was never of an interest to me because it's you
have to conform is the problem. And I might like
some aspects of some of the things that they would do,
but then there's other things that I didn't want to
do right. So, And one of the cornerstones of Satanism
is moral relativism, right right, right so. And in fact,
I actually had somebody on my show asked me one
day if I had ever sacrificed any animals as Satanists,
and I said, no, I never did, because I actually
like animals. So, but I didn't know and did associate
with people that did so. And at the time I
never would have, but they did. They didn't see an
issue with it. I didn't see an issue with them
doing it. I saw an issue with me doing it, right, Okay.
So it's that moral relativism.
Speaker 2: Your truth truth instead of the truth.
Speaker 1: Right exactly so. And that's just one of the cornerstones
of Satanism itself, is is that moral relativism m h
And in fact, that's obviously one of the most dangerous
parts of Satanism, uh, one of the four most dangerous parts.
So for anyone who doesn't know, uh, the four basic
cornerstones of Satanism is it is egoism, moral relativism, social Darwinism,
and eugenics mm hmm. So those those are the four
cornerstones of any sate, of any genuine Satanists. So those
those are the things all of them will believe in
if they're real, which.
Speaker 2: Is what do you see the elites into, you know,
the Epstein's and the elites in in in government. That's
something all of those things are what they.
Speaker 1: Promote, right, and that that's kind of the world we
live in. I mean, I think think of like, I mean,
when was the last time you, you know, ran into
somebody that was a complete egomaniac. You know, like it's
it's way more common, I think now, especially post social media.
You know it it's kind of spreading like a wildfire almost,
and I think that's done on purpose. But so definitely
being around people definitely, uh emerged me in the culture,
in the belief systems they it definitely, yeah, it, It
definitely got me deeper into it. Just like I mean,
if you're a sports fan, you're gonna go to sports games,
right and you're gonna you're gonna start learning the players,
You're gonna start learning their stats. You know, you're gonna
probably pick up a fantasy league. You know, these these
these were all things, like I said, just like any
other group. It's it's not really that different than most
any any groups.
Speaker 2: So in in in the concept. But of course, of
course the.
Speaker 1: Right exactly so, but yeah, I mean they it just
functions like any other social group, any any other club,
I guess.
Speaker 2: So, so as you develop that and you're developing these relationships,
you start to shift over in believing in things like
witchcraft and that kind of thing. And so what's really
interesting to me is when you talk to people that
just claim to be you know, Wickens and whatnot, is
they they well, this isn't Satanism, It's totally different. But
Satanists always say that witchcraft is a part of it,
and so is that a deception of the Wickens? Well,
what do you think I believe? So, yeah, right right.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, wickens were always part of Satanism.
Speaker 3: Is just kind of a.
Speaker 1: So okay, just to back up a little bit my opinion, right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Most Satanists will argue that Anton Levy is not a
real Satanist, and my opinion, especially now having gone through it,
been there, done that, got a crappy T shirt and left,
I think he is the most Satanist and the reason
why is because he's done more for Satanism. He's spread
the eye ideology more than anyone else. But the way
I view him as a on ramp to the belief system.
So he's he's the safe package, right, because it's it's
just it's just atheism, right, no big deal.
Speaker 2: It's it's an atheist club. So you've got people to
hang out, right if you don't go.
Speaker 3: To church, right, I mean they do call it church,
so but it's not.
Speaker 2: I mean, an atheist by themselves doesn't go to church
to do this. So you're an atheist that gets to
hang out with other.
Speaker 1: Atheists, right, exactly. So I mean he's he's an on
ramp and the people that are exactly And I think
WIKA is the same thing. I think it's a I
also believe the New Age is the same thing. So
it is a it is a just a package that's
a lot softer than some of the more hardcore Satanist
groups out there.
Speaker 2: But as you develop in each of those different entry ways,
those on ramps, they all go to the same place.
Speaker 1: Right they and at the at the core, most of
them all believe the same thing, right, And most people
I will say, usually stop at the entry point, right,
Like that's that's where I'll say conservatively seventy to seventy
five percent of most people stop there, right, Like that's
just where they stop. It's that well, actually, I would
I would even say probably sixty five to seventy percent
stop there. Right, That's just kind of where people take it.
And that's that's as far as they ever go. Now,
they they might like really dedicate themselves to that, right,
but they're they're not going to dive deeper into the practices.
They're not going to dive deeper into the rituals, the theology.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 1: But I mean, they really dive into it, right, Like
they decorate their home with Satanic artwork, and you know,
they they get into other tangentially related subjects and stuff.
You know, sometimes you see a lot of people into
the oddities and curiosity collecting, which I'm not trying to
throw that community under the bus because that's not an
automatic thing, okay, but you'll you'll see, you know, definitely
people a lot of people into heavy metal music. You
see a lot of people into pop music too though,
so you know, it's it's a very wide interest amongst
these people, right, because it's not just a one type
of person. So it's kind of hard to nail it
you've got to grab people from wherever they're at. You
got you bring them in that way, right, and plus
people people believe in the of stuff, and they they
joined for completely different reasons. You know, there's all sorts
of reasons. Very few people actually that I ran into
joined the Church of Satan because of the same reasons
I did. Granted I did run into some people that
were super rebellious and that's how it started for them
as well, but it wasn't super common.
Speaker 2: So there are people that joint of rebellion.
Speaker 1: Well, because a lot of people are honestly very straightforward
about their hatred of God.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's still rebellions.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I guess it could be a rebellion.
I just view rebellion there's there's just rebellion and unjust rebellion,
just like there's just authority and unjust authority. So I
kind of separate the two. So I would I would
view somebody as a hatred towards God is more of
a unjust rebellion, and so that that's just my personal
take on it.
Speaker 3: But but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's as as I got deeper into it, you start
to realize a lot of these different belief systems like
the Wickens. Like granted, I'm not going to go hang
out with Wickens if I'm a Satanist, but I don't
like discount them like they They couldn't be a part
right like they. But granted the Wickens don't really hang
out with the Satanists, and the Satanists don't really hang
out with the Wickens. But there is tons of crossover.
Same same with the New Age. But New Age is
packaged as like hippies, right, you know, right, But once
again there's tons of crossover. So it's the middle principles
are all the same, right right, Yeah, those core beliefs,
the the egoism, the moral relativism, the social Darwinism, and
eugenics typically, so they usually just take take different form though.
So like amongst the New Age, like abortion is really big, right,
and abortion is big amongst all the groups, but you know,
typically it's the the liberal mentality, and I mean the
new liberal not traditional liberals. So the the neoliberals or
right right, So the the neoliberal really pushing abortion or
it's not abort in in this Satanist circles, its pro abortion.
In the New Age movement, it's women's healthcare, right, Like
the different framings matter. So yeah, it's they really are
all the same at their core beliefs, which is what matters, right,
because that's what makes it satanic or not right, So.
Speaker 2: You're getting into the kind of the wick end, but
but you are doing it from the satanic aspect. So
that is how far into like how many years is
it that you've gone from atheist and more spiritual or
whatever you want to call it to the with the
wick ends and being spiritual?
Speaker 1: About five, so about half half way through half my time, goya.
Speaker 2: And so that develops and then what is going on
during that time for the next you know, from from
that is is there a? Is there a? And the
evolution for lack of a better word, again, so you
evolve from being a an atheist to a spiritualist and
then you go from a spiritualist too before you started
working out.
Speaker 1: But I still kind of didn't like I believed in
energies and I believed in like positive and negatives, the
the ying yang, but I'm I'm still not like believing
in God or Satan as a deity.
Speaker 3: I do there are.
Speaker 2: These forces out there and it's you know, right, however
it works, right, and it's kind of uh witchcraft being
the manipulation of these energies to whatever means that you
are intending ah for what whatever, whatever means what whatever
whatever intention you have.
Speaker 1: So you know, love spells uh spells for money. The
selling your soul thing like it's it's real but it's
not real, portrays it, but it's really right right right exactly.
It's it's more of a passive thing. It's because first
of all, I don't believe you can actually sell your
soul to begin with, because your soul is not yours
to sell, you know, it's it's it's God's.
Speaker 2: So but you're selling your actions and you're promising a legion.
Speaker 1: Correct, And there there's a lot of like, for instance,
when you I don't know, I've I've kind of gone
back and forth on this because like I, I never
you know, said like, oh, Satan, if you promised me this,
I'll do this, you know, but I have heard people
say things like that. So here here's another aspect that
I think people need to understand about Satanism is that
a lot of this is incredibly decentralized. Okay, So there's granted,
there's the organized structures, right, like you have the Church
of Satan, you have the Satanic Temple, you have a
bunch of different organized covens all the way through the
country in Europe, Canada, Mexico even you have all all
sorts of cults, right, and then you have a bunch
of people who do what they want. But you also
have these like unorganized groups. And what I mean by
unorganized groups, it's kind of like the difference between the
organized and unorganized militia, right, So like and that that's
what I mean by organized and unorganized is in the
same context is whereas in literally a high school kid
can pick up the Satanic Bible and start to coven. Right,
that doesn't mean they're any less Satanist than the Church
of Satan, right, They're all part of it. And so
that's how like there's there's been groups that were started
in the eighties that died in the eighties. There are
groups that started in the seventies that are still around today.
And this is a really important aspect, and it's the
decentralized nature of why it's so difficult to one pin
down because people can really make it whatever they want.
Such organizations like seven sixty four is a great example
of this because you can read and I don't necessarily
recommend this because it will drive you mad to read
the writings of seven sixty four. People should familiarize themselves
with it because they are a real threat. However, to
read their theology is a completely different thing, and that's
what will drive you nuts. But there are several different
leaders of seven six four groups and nine A the
order of nine angles. There's several different versions of this
and they're all nine A or seven six four, right,
Like they're all part of the same group, but they
all believe something different, some of them radically different, some
of them slightly different. All of them are Satanists, okay,
and they're not any less or more Satanist than each other.
They're just different, that's it. So that's that's a big
key component to a lot of this is the decentralization,
you know, and it's kind of hard to wrap your
mind around if you've never been in it, right, right,
But that's that's what it is. They they are just
as Satanist is each other.
Speaker 2: That to me seems to be to be part of
the deception as well, because you have the aspect all
that makes it look like, oh, it's just a bunch
of goth kids that are being stupid and trying to
you know, get people's goats. And then but you but
we have the reality of a global Satanic ritual abuse
network that to involves people in every level of government.
And so the the apparent decentralization of it gets people
to focus on the things that are of no threat
and get them to pretend like the big threat isn't even.
Speaker 1: Real, right, right, And I mean there's there's levels to
this as well. Not every Satanist is created equal, you know,
not every Satanist is dangerous, is what I would say.
Speaker 2: Right, is it? It's kind of like within if you've
read the book like Proofs of a Conspiracy or Memoirs
illustrating the history of Jacobinism talking about the levels of
the Illuminati and how in the very beginning, you know
it's it's pro God, and then you work your way
up to saying that the you know, churches are corrupt,
and then you get into being anti God and that, right,
so you have these different levels and and and you
work your way up to the different levels. Is it
kind of like kind of like that in Satanism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that's correct, that that would be a
good analogy. So in fact, I actually just pulled up
there's this is something I I I pretty much agree with.
I think this is pretty accurate. So this is from
doctor Colin A. Ross, who's a well known expert in
associative identity disorder, and uh, he treats or has treated
patients or survivors of Satanic ritual abuse.
Speaker 2: In his people, no, disassociative disorder is the modern term
for multiple personality disorder. Correct.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct.
Speaker 1: He actually wrote a book about how to treat survivors
of Satanic ritual abuse, and in chapter five of his
book he actually breaks down the five levels of Satanism.
Level one is the dabbler kind of music, aesthetics, rebellion,
So that's just like your entry level, your atheists, you're
curious teenagers. Level two is a self styled isolated practitioners,
occasionally dangerous, rarely networked. Level three is optimized non criminal groups,
so like the Church of Satan Temple of set the
Satanic Temple. Level four is organized criminal networks using Satanic framing.
This is usually when you know the SRA starts to
kick in. Uh, and then level five is multi generational families.
So these are about the five levels of Satanism.
Speaker 3: If I had to put myself.
Speaker 1: Anywhere, is between two and three, kind of floating back
and forth, like the non criminal organized groups and the
self styled practitioner. So that's kind of kind of where
I sat on this scale, because, like I said, I
had the involvement of some of the organized groups.
Speaker 3: I would go to meetings, but.
Speaker 2: I know people. Did you associate with those that would
be in the maybe the top two groups?
Speaker 1: I did meet some people who claim to be part
of multi generational families, I had no way of like
verifying that. Sure some of these people. Now I was
definitely aware of some people who participated in criminal activity
as Satanists. Now, those people are legitimate, and they exist,
and there's quite a bit of there. There's quite a
few of them. They're more common than you would think.
Speaker 2: But and you're in Utah. So this is your experience
in Utah.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, as a Utah Satanist, right, as.
Speaker 2: A Uta Satanist, it's bigger than you would expect.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I stand by that wholeheartedly. So of course,
your what you would envision as a Satanist, right, the
black clothes, the tattoos, the you know, pentagram stickers on
their car or whatever. Right right, there are those people,
and there are you know, I mean we're we're talking
from minor crimes to all the way up to like
breaking and entering, assaults, battery, sexual crimes. I mean some
really really nasty people, all done in the name of
satan mhm, yeah, or just done because they wanted to,
you know, which is also about do as thou wilt,
right exactly, and also the part of hedonism, like it
feels good, I just wanted to, like you know. Also
it's part of social Darwinism where I feel as though
I have to step on people to be able to
get ahead in life. I have to actually cause harm
to other people to push them down so I will
go up on the social ladder.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And there were other people that were less like your
standard Satanists or the Satanists that you would envision, that
were interested in financial crimes, you know, a lot of
white collar stuff, insurance fraud, these sorts of things. These
are the people that you wouldn't think were Satanists just
by the way they looked, or they even actively pretended
to be other people pretended to be church goers.
Speaker 2: That's what my next guess was going to be. You
see people that are, you know, active in different churches
while they're actually Satanists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean the exceptions, Yes, yes, of course,
attendance several meetings with them. I didn't spend a whole
lot of time with them because I actually look like
a Satanist, you know. You know, so at the time,
I had long hair, you know, I still had the beard.
I'm covered in tattoos, you know, And so a lot
of these people like I could walk up to them today,
many of whom are still practicing, at least as far
as I know. Granted, I'm removed from the circles, so
I don't know who attends and who doesn't. But I
can only imagine most of these people are still practicing,
So I could, I could approach them, and they would
pretend not to know me, you know, I mean it, Well,
not only that, but they're clean cut.
Speaker 2: I'm oh, so they don't want to look like you
knew somebody that looked like.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct, I mean, they're not They're not going to
admit that they know me, because then why would they
know me?
Speaker 3: You know exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's and not only that, but you had mentioned
in our interview that you knew people that were in
uh an elected office. Yeah, yeah, so people in religion.
Was it local offices, state offices or local state? Local
state and state?
Speaker 1: So now the people that held office at state, they
were involved at Capitol hill. So none, none of the
House or the Senate or anything. I didn't see any
people that actively held a state level position. Now I
had people through the grapevine tell me of some people attending,
of which no, I will not name, this is a
safety issue, But I cannot confirm any of those people.
Speaker 3: At with my eyeballs.
Speaker 2: Now, but you need two and a three level of
Satanists versus a four and a five, You're not going
to really have that crossover, i'd imagine.
Speaker 1: Right, And but I can confirm that there are people
that I associated with that were involved up a Capitol
hill in various capacities. So we're we're talking lobbyists, we're
talking clerks this thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: That's that's something I can confirm with my own eyeballs.
But that's uh, that's where you start getting into the
scary people. That's even at like more of my most
wild moments. I still didn't want to associate with these
people because well, some of the things that they were
involved in. I mean, I was pretty liberal to the point,
you know. I mean I was going to a bar
when I was nineteen.
Speaker 3: You know, I was.
Speaker 1: Living a sex, drugs, and rock and roll lifestyle. Man Like,
I was all for it, right, The hedonism was great.
I definitely experimented with lots of drugs and man that
the people that that brings around is interesting bet.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: But there's there's like still a certain level of people
I didn't want to be around. I've been around people
that have killed people I've been around, and these are
Satanists and non Satanist. You know, I had never really
judged somebody's past. I mainly judge what are they doing now?
You know, even even to this day, you know, some
of the best friends I ever had in my life
were felons. So not all of them, not all.
Speaker 2: I would say, technically, right, there's been lots of articles
talking about how the average person commits three felons felonies
a day, so correct, we're all felons according to the right.
Speaker 1: Right, and and also when when the state says that
somebody is a bad person. I'm I'm an anarchist, so
I don't I don't listen to the state most of
the time anywhere.
Speaker 3: Right, So, but yes, uh, there.
Speaker 2: Was, and so that was that would make sense to
your separation of not saying just because of your own
aversion to certain activities, correct, they're going to see that
and not invite you, or you're just going to say
no to being part of certain things, which being not
part of those things will keep you away from doing
other things. Right, So being at that two and three
kind of probably probably kept you pretty safe of some
of the more dastardly de right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's what I can confirm and what I
will stand behind no matter what is these people in
these activities do happen. Yeah, so there's a lot of
things I can't I can't confirm with my own eyeballs,
but other people have been able to confirm these. This
is why, because of what I do know and what
I had experienced, I am definitely more open to hearing
a survivor's stories, and I'm probably more willing to believe
certain things that I guess other people who hadn't experienced
this side probably aren't willing to accept so easily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2: But you might also be able to kind of spot
a bs er as well, because not all of the
story are.
Speaker 3: True, right, right, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: In fact, on my channel, I am actually very incredibly
picky about any survivor that I have on. But the
survivors that I have had on I wholeheartedly believe and
will stand behind them. Now, if somebody else doesn't want
to believe who I've had on my channel, that's up
to them, because I do present my shows in a
way that I want the listener to be able to
decide for themselves, right, So I make my opinion be known,
but I don't want to influence somebody else's opinion.
Speaker 3: And yeah I can.
Speaker 1: I can definitely point out somebody, especially somebody who says
that they were a Satanist that aren't, or somebody that
says that they were involved deeper than they were. You know,
I can easily point those people out, ask them a
few questions, and yeah, survivors, I mean, it's kind of
a tricky thing, right, It's it's hard to vet these
things because I wasn't there. But I would say that
I'm more attuned than your average person.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Well, it helps you weed through, I'm sure. So
you're witnessing these things kind of tell us to the
height of your involvement and then how that led you
to getting out of it.
Speaker 1: So the one thing I'll say is uh, any sort
of uh, I guess what the law would consider criminal
activity the way that it happens. I never experienced standing
around in the woods in a cult robe performing in
a legal activity. Okay, it typically happens well in homes
right in the first place. I had been in the
woods in a robe before, So those rituals do happen
like that. But once again, that's kind of the psychodrama.
Typically drugs would be involved, but any criminal activity would
be it would happen closer to like how a biker
gang would perform criminal activities. It's the individuals, it's not
the group, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So a way to be plausible dinability and a way
to protect you from searches and seizures without a warrant
and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Correct, So, and you know, protect you from like Rico,
you know.
Speaker 2: So, and even though it was a network, there would
be ability to plausible deniability. So that it couldn't be
accused of the conspiracy, right to get you onto Rico.
Speaker 1: Right, and this this was actively thought about, right, So
I would be sometimes I would be with Satanists with
the intent of, you know, selling some drugs or something.
So to the the level in which I was, I mean,
I'm not sure exactly how much more you would want
to know, but I mean that's pretty much that.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: Almost how how would I explain it? It's almost like
a party, I guess. Like I said, I was all
about the sex, drugs and rock and roll. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2: Do you ever get to a point where you move
on from the metaphysical to you know, I believe you know,
I am worshiping the sun of the morning for you.
Speaker 1: I definitely believed that I was trying to self manifest
a negative energy.
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: So that's because.
Speaker 2: What was the purpose of manifesting a negative energy?
Speaker 3: Just to bring it into existence?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So because and I still believe this to this day,
is that first of all, it's all about intention, but
the existence of God or Satan is brought on through us.
Not it doesn't happen to us, It happens through us.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So by trying to be more god like, you know,
by trying to be like Christ, I am bringing into
existence Christ. I am bringing the good into this earth
by repenting, by my actual prayers, by trying to actually
be a better person every day.
Speaker 3: And it's the same thing as a Satanist.
Speaker 1: So I was trying to bring this negative entity at
the time that I believed, which I now believe to
be Satan, to be pure evil, bringing it into existence
by my actions.
Speaker 2: So you do evil so that evil could exist.
Speaker 1: Right, But I didn't think like, oh I am evil,
I'm doing this evil thing. That's not how it was.
I'd look back on it now and think it's evil, right,
But at the time I didn't. It wasn't like an
act of like, oh I'm evil, I'm doing this evil thing.
You know, It's not how it registered in my brain.
Speaker 2: I don't even think Satan does that. I think that
he believes that he's right and that he's just angry
and trying to mel and so I don't think any
I don't think that's very cartoonish, right. That's and that's
what they want us to believe, is this cartoons you know,
mustache twirling bad guy. Whereas most people that are evil
believe that they're doing good. Right.
Speaker 1: I actually believe that as well. Now, like I said,
there were some people. There was a a person I
had ran into one time who was a grave robber,
and and this this was a person that was just
moving through town. They were kind of a drifter, and
this person was doing things with the intention of being evil.
But you could feel that on him, like it was
unlike anything you've ever felt, Just like if you've ever
been in the presence of somebody who's like a really
good person, you just it emanated from them, this person
and an aid darkness. So there are those people that
that do that. And I came into content.
Speaker 2: The rare exception. They're not the guy that pretends to
go to church while he's actually a Satanist.
Speaker 1: Right, A lot of these people do, at least my experience,
a lot of these people, even if they are a Satanist,
they they do think that they're on the right side
of history, or the right side of the spiritual battle,
or the right side of you know whatever we're experiencing
his life, right, So, yeah, a lot of them do
think that they're doing right.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Some of the people I would actually argue that some
of the people that we're more into the white collar
crimes were probably more in tune with actually.
Speaker 3: Doing evil.
Speaker 1: I never, at least I don't remember anyone saying like, oh,
I'm doing evil like you said, like the cartoony like
ackling witch. You know, I can't think or remember of
any any instance of that happening. But sure, I mean,
there definitely were people that were more in tune with
doing evil for evil's sake.
Speaker 2: I mean, they probably came across to the people that
they knew in the church that they were attending as
good upstanding people. They probably, you know, people thought that
they were that they could see some light in them,
but they were right. But they were deceiving the entire.
Speaker 3: Time, right.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting too because, like I mean, with
politicians are always a great example, because there's a lot
of politicians that have deceived a lot of people before yep,
and a lot of people believed in them so and
it turns out, oh, no, they were actually lying.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That rarely happens in politics, but it does. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And here's another thing too, is there's a like, granted
I assume that I was told a lot of truths
as a Satanist amongst the Satanist. But I was also
told a lot of lies. I mean I lied, you know,
there was there was a lot of things that I
was willing to lie about that would get me into
some of these other circles.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's it's just kind of what comes with the territory,
you know. Yeah, And it's it's kind of funny thinking
about it. This just kind of popped in my head.
It's it's kind of like it's like a bunch of
people bragging to each other.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of, Wow, what's that movie
American Psycho with Christian Bale when they're all showing their
cards to each other and they're just bragging about their cards.
That's kind of what it's like. It's like, oh, I'm
so evil, look at this, or like, check out my
new tattoo.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Like it's comical in that sense, because it's just it's
just a bunch of Honestly, like I I kind of
feel bad for a lot of people that believe this stuff.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I feel bad. Sure, I think a lot of people
are lost and hurt and misguided and lied to.
Speaker 3: But it's it's just.
Speaker 1: Kind of like a bragging circle almost like look at
how satanic I am? You know, it's I don't it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Python sketch where they these guys are sitting around, they're
they're older and they're rich, and they're talking about how
poor they were when they were kids. Right, It's like that.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly exactly, And you know there's there's there's also
a hierarchy as well. You know, there's people that have
been into it longer, or the older Satanists, right, and
they're kind of looked up to as you know, the elders.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's just it's so common, and
it's it's kind of hard to explain it just because
it is so common. It's it's like not any different
than any other group other than like what the subject is, right, right, right,
So yeah, that will.
Speaker 2: Blow most people, to blow people away the most is
how common it is, because they think that it's either
just a few teenage kids being goofy and or rebellious,
and then you know, and then you have a few
people in in in high positions that are doing things
like Epstein did. Right, But it's but but you're saying
that it's much more prominent.
Speaker 3: Amongst and it's at all levels.
Speaker 2: Especially like you're talking about all levels of society. But
with those five levels of Satanism, that expands it some
more because you're like, Okay, this guy is a Satanist,
but that doesn't mean he's level five or you know,
it doesn't mean he's level one. It could be any
one of those hes.
Speaker 1: Right, And I would say that the people that you
need to be worried about, that anybody needs to be
worried about. So once again, just real quick, you've got
level one the dabblers, Level two the self styled isolated practitioners,
Level three the organized non criminal groups, Level four the
organized criminal networks using satanic framing. And then five is
the multi generational families, right or even there's allegedly multi
generational groups as well. You know that this would be
like your Epstein networks, right, your your Franklin scandal, these
sorts of things. These are multi generational groups, organized netwrouks exactly.
They're not necessarily related, but they might be because there's
you know a lot of incest and in breeding and stuff,
so you know, they they might be.
Speaker 2: They might not be well then, and the the overlap
of activities of the things that you know, what the
with Epstein, with Franklin, with Glenn pace memo, with the
you know, the what's it, the the stuff in southern California.
They're all doing the same thing. They're all using the
same lines, and so there's the idea that they're separate
is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Right right, And I mean I I genuinely believe like
these these high up groups, it's all the same network, right,
I just it's just different branches, you know. It's like
that the western branch, the northern branch. You know, it's
it's just it's uh. It reminds me kind of of
the analogy of the octopus. It's different tentacles of all
the same animal, you know.
Speaker 2: Organizations like you have chapters or you have wards or right,
that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Exactly one hundred percent. I think that's how it is,
and that's kind of how Satanism works. But to like
a more decentralized like the further down the list you go,
so like the the lower the level, the more decentralized
it gets, if that makes sense totally.
Speaker 2: So, So you were saying, what of of one of
these levels that you people should be the most worried about.
Speaker 1: Yes, obviously number five, I mean right, so four. So
these organized criminal networks, right, these are going to be
in my opinion, your gang members. Right, gangs are inherently satanic.
I mean they're they're throwing up all sorts of hand signals, right,
They use certain symbols to communicate with each other. They
have a ritual to get in and out.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So your street level gang, your biker gangs, like all
all of these sorts of things, doesn't matter how they
started or whatever. If there's somebody out there, you know,
playing that card, it doesn't matter how they start.
Speaker 2: Those people that are connected to the level five right,
level five connection to.
Speaker 1: Four right, and then your level threes can be dangerous
because sometimes you have people trying to get to these
next levels. Other times you're probably gonna run into somebody
like me, she isn't you know. I didn't have the
intention of going out and causing mayhem to society. That
was never my goal. I knew people like that. I
still know people like that, even though I don't associate
with them. I know people with the stated goal of
causing mayhem. You know, like that's what they want for society.
Most of them are locked up and you know, thank god,
I don't associate with them. But these people do exist,
you know, but they so they can be dangerous. But
this is where you start getting your people. Who I mean,
Level three is are are people that take it seriously.
It's more than just a dabbler. Okay, your team dabblers
can also be dangerous, right, because I mean all of
these people can be dangerous.
Speaker 2: Just because they're trying to emulate. It's something that they
think about or they see on TV or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, your level two is probably going to be your
least dangerous only because they're gonna kind of want to
lay low. And this is gonna be just your average
your average Satanists.
Speaker 2: You know, that's such a weird thing to think about, right.
Speaker 1: So, but they usually do it for them. They might
you know, look like a goth freaky dyed hair. Uh,
you know, they they'll wear a Satanic shirt that has
some offensive message message.
Speaker 3: On it or whatever.
Speaker 1: But they're not going to go any yet, right, They're
not going to go anywhere past that. However, they're most
likely going to be nice people, not all most, but yeah,
that's that's what I would say in that order.
Speaker 2: So it's those and those levels though they're the deceptive
because they those lower levels, those less dangerous ones, they
kind of give everyone else like, Oh, we don't have
to worry. It's not it's nothing to be worried about.
It's not that big of a deal. And that's the deception.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it is, it is part of it,
like and that this is what I think is deceptive
of like Levey and Satanism and why I think it's
actually like the most Satanic because with moral relativism, social Darwinism, eugenics,
and egoism, even from the get go, even level one,
level two doesn't matter at the very beginning of this
journey for anyone, they will still think of themselves as
better than right, They'll think of themselves as having the
ability to become a god. They will still hold the
ability or the mindset I mean of like they are
better then and the rest of society, the non Satanic
society is worse than and beneath them, and not even
just like I'm better than you. But to the point
Satanists refer to non Satanist as the dead. So the
reason why is because they view non Satanist as so
brainwashed that they don't even understand what's happening in society,
which to an extent is kind of true. But here's
the deception, right, they take a true thing and then
they push it in a particular direction.
Speaker 3: There's the dead.
Speaker 2: That's why I can control them, That's why I can
do bad things to them, because.
Speaker 1: They're not right. And that starts at level one. So
all of them are dangerous to a certain degree, right,
Like there's always going to be that, Like I'm I
guarantee back in my day that you know, like if
if I had a daughter and met me, I would
not be letting my daughter go with me, you know,
so because I could have shown up with the cops,
could have you know, shown up pregnant.
Speaker 3: You know, this is any number of things.
Speaker 1: So there's all all of these people will be dangerous
to a certain degree. But also other people are dangerous
as well. I knew several people that got in trouble,
gotten fights and did drugs that weren't Satanists.
Speaker 3: So sure, but this is.
Speaker 1: Being a bad guy, isn't it Satanism exactly exactly? But
these are dangerous, particularly because of the teaching and that
that starts at level one, that starts literally with the
Satanic Bible.
Speaker 2: So but you still keep just kind of like I've
got copies of the Commuist Manifesto, not because I agree
with it, but because you gotta know your enemy.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, one hundred percent, I definitely keep a copy
of that, keep a copy of the Satanic Bible, the
Satanic Rituals, and the Necronomicon, all because what I try
to do on my channel is try and educate people.
And some of the best sources to teach about Satanism
is from, you know, the mouth of Babes. So tell
us about your source.
Speaker 2: Tell what about your path out? How did you go
from being all in too saying, hey, what you know,
I'm going to be a Christian now?
Speaker 1: So towards the end, I mean, I was just getting
older and I stopped partying as much. I stopped hanging
out with as many friends. I got to a point
where I was literally just going to work and coming home.
I was less interested in my social life. Now, I
was still heavily I still heavily believed in these things.
At this point, I was definitely more spiritual, uh to
to the point where, you know, I believed that I
could in fact manipulate enough energy to be able to
make or manipulate life around me to a certain degree.
Mm hmmm, because I never thought, like, ooh, I can
cast spells like Harry Potter, like that magic doesn't exist, right,
But I could manipulate people. I could lie to people,
and I could get certain things done, and I can
manipulate my surroundings enough in order to reach a particular
end right that I that I want, and I usually
did it selfishly. So I'm I'm less interested in hanging
out with people. I'm more interested in just kind of
living a quiet life. I don't want to go out
and go party.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: But I'm still involved in this now without releasing too
much personal information to be able to, you know, narrow
this down. You don't want to your right exactly. So
it actually was not anything illegal per se. But I
was dealing with the Only thing I can I can
say is that I was dealing with a entity that
I lived with, and I at the time I thought
that they were just a terrible person. I didn't realize
that I was literally dealing with evil manifested in a
person a true demon. So the one thing I can
say is demons are real, one hundred percent. However, demons
are meaningless unless attached to a human. They have no
power unless they're attached to something in this world.
Speaker 2: Okay, so.
Speaker 1: They I didn't realize at the time when this was
all happening that I was dealing with a demon attached
to a human. But there was no human in this
person left. It was partially because of their horrible upbringing,
but also because they are just genuinely the worst person
I've ever met. Granted, I've met felons and people that
have killed people up to this point, and I've met
all sorts of terrible, really terrible people, and this is
the worst person I've ever met. Well, I performed a
ritual one night, not going to say which one, but
it was one that was going to cause a lot
of pain and misery to them. It ended up backfire
because it was a demon, and so it basically ate
it like breakfast and became a lot worse.
Speaker 3: Wow, And.
Speaker 1: From that point forward I realized what I was dealing with,
and that scared me so terribly bad because of what
transpired after that, because it was just pure evil and
once I came face to face with pure evil. That
that's just like a whole different thing. Once you come
face to face with evil, you basically have to realize, well,
this is pure evil, so pure good must also exist.
And it was almost an overnight transformation where it's like, well,
if this evil out there exists, then that good has
to exist. And I don't want to be on this
side because I saw what the evil was manifesting, right,
And I quickly was able to leave the situation where
I was dealing with this person and was able to
get away from that. And it took a few weeks,
but then my mind, mindset just started to change. I
don't know what it was. And then, you know, a
few I would say, maybe about six months. I just
woke up one day and just I knew I was
then a follower of Christ. Yeah, it was almost just
like that. And then I realized from that point on,
I've got to start repenting. I've got I've got a
lot of makeup to do. You know, I've got a
lot of bad things that I was okay with at
one point I am no longer okay with. I've got
a lot of things to make up for. And you
know there was self admittedly, you know this, this first overwhelming
feeling of Christ will forgive me if I actually do
the work, if I actually admit that He's my Lord
and Savior, then if I do the work, I will
be forgiven.
Speaker 3: And then what really kicked it into overdrive is meeting
my wife.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: So I was with her.
Speaker 1: It was at the beginning of our relationship, and I
was still a Satanist when we met and when we
first started dating, and it was in this transition period
of after I had left the dealing with the space
in which I dealt with this demon. It was after
leaving that when we first got together and within the
first year of her and I being together, and it
got to a point where I realized I had to
save myself and then I had to be the best
man I possibly could be for her.
Speaker 3: So I mean, now, did.
Speaker 2: You meet her within the Satanic circles or no?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, It's it's really interesting though, without telling
too much of her story, she actually had her own
experiences with witchcraft though, and she she kind of came
at it from a different angle because she was really
angry with God for a long time, and so she was,
you know, dabbling with witchcraft and stuff because she just
strayed from the straight and narrow, right, and that that
was actually something she wasn't actively practicing when we got together,
but she was very familiar.
Speaker 3: She was still.
Speaker 1: She was still practice, like she could have been practicing
when we had met, but she just stopped when we did.
Oh interesting, roughly the same time, right, And so now
we're both on our way to I believe we've just
found our church, and so you know, we're heading in
the opposite direction. We want to get a rebaptized, you know,
and we're on a completely different path now. And I'm
doing my show partially is partially me repenting, is me
coming out here and talking about this. Granted, I do
try to keep my personal relationship with finding Christ and
stuff as separate as I can, because I don't I
don't want to be. I'm not a preacher. That that's
not my role. I don't feel like that's my place
in life. But what I do feel is though I
can do is expose the truth about this satanic reality.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, most most of my you know, religious beliefs
and everything I try to keep as separate as possible.
Granted it does come up because of sure, well it
has to eventually.
Speaker 2: You know, guides what we do. I do this, you know,
I my channel is. You know, we're not like, hey,
only this religion can watch my stuff. But at the
same time, it's what guides me. And so I you
know those things, I all bring them up and talk
about them, and so right, it's just the way it is.
And so because we don't want to deny our faith either, right, right, right,
that's the balance that we're not trying to force people
into a certain direction, but we also deny our faith.
But so well, that's that's so. Was there as you're
coming across that was there like a moment where you're like,
how did you go from because you didn't ever believe
as satan as the as deity that you were worshiping,
but you you go from basically you know, the spiritual
aspect of Satanism to Christianity. What made you not go
to like Buddhism or you know, Hinduism or you know
Eastern religions because that that is very connected to a
lot of people in the in the New Age movement,
what right, but but seen as more positive and so
what would you go to to to Christ? Did you
have you know, uh, a Saul to Paul moment or
what kind of what what was that all about?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm not really sure I know part
of it. You know, I picked up a Bible, you know,
kind of like it's It's funny. The way I view
it now is that I kind of went through like
a scared scared straight program, you know, like like spiritually
I was scared straight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is like I laugh about it now.
Speaker 1: It was terrifying when I went through it, and the
transformation of going from one belief to another is hard.
I still struggle every day and there's still, you know,
aspects of my old belief system that I struggle with sometimes.
Granted it's getting easier, but there's just certain things I
catch myself doing just overcome right exactly.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks,
but not impossible, but not impossible.
Speaker 2: Dog has to want to learn.
Speaker 1: The trick, though exactly exactly. And there is a lot
of desire to change on my ends and become better
and become christ Like as much as I possibly can,
and also to repent for the things that I feel
as though I did wrong also partially or not partially,
but also taking accountability for you know, the things, whether
I want to admit them or not, I can admit
them to myself and Christ, you know, I can't hide
it from him.
Speaker 2: So, so how long has that been since you've you've
accepted Christ, you know.
Speaker 3: To now, it's been about four years.
Speaker 2: Four years, okay, so you've got fourteen years since this
whole journey began basically, yeah, roughly that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's been a whirlwind.
Speaker 2: But you know, I tell you that it's not a right.
It's not we're not just willy nilly, just you know,
whatever feels right, what's going along, it's you know, this
is all methodical and thought out and yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well I.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate you you coming on and talking to us
and telling us your story, because I think it's very
beneficial to help people, not only to because most people
that are going to watch this channel an't going to
be like, oh, should I be a Satanist or not right,
but to see how it works and so that we're
not deceived by the you know, the maybe the lower
levels to thinking that there are no different levels and
and there's a lot of different aspects of this that
that can be deceptive that even though we're not Satanists,
we can buy into the Satanist doctrine and important for
us to not be you know, dragged into that Satanic
doctrine without even realizing.
Speaker 1: Right, right, And in fact, most people are actually practicing
Satanism and not even knowing it exactly.
Speaker 3: So that's the.
Speaker 1: I can't even remember who said the quote, but you know,
the greatest thing the devil ever did was convinced people
he doesn't exist. Yep, and right there first and foremost.
I mean, whatever you believe. I mean, it kind of
doesn't matter because there are people out there that do
believe this, Okay, So it doesn't matter what we believe,
It matters what they believe and whether Satan exists or not.
You know, speaking to some people who might not be
on the same path, Satan does exist because they are
self manifesting him, so they're self manifesting evil. To answer
your question about like, why didn't I fall into something else? Yeah,
I definitely picked up a Bible. Now, I was also
very familiar with other religions. What's interesting is being a
Satanist you are almost encouraged to study other religions. So
I've read the bot Fagita, I've, I've read the Dowdeaching.
I was familiar with different forms of the Bible, like
different translations, read the Ethiopian Bible, read the Book of Enoch,
you know, I've I'm more more versed in different religions
than your average person. Now, I think the only thing
that that I really carried over was teachings from the
Dow Teaching. I highly recommend that for anybody only just
because it's like a more of a philosophy book. Now,
there are people who practice the Tao as like a
hardcore religion in their monks, but they actually believe in Jesus,
which is interesting. But uh yeah, I recommend the Dowdeaching
for anyone just because it's uh, like I said, it's
a philosophy book, and if you like philosophy, I highly
recommend it. It's incredibly fascinating. It's really short also, but
it's uh like daily wisdom for living, just like the Bible,
you know so, and it's it doesn't teach to believe
in a deity or anything. It's uh just bite sized
chunks of wisdom so it's but on top of that,
just to kind of close out with this, Yeah, the
one thing that people need to remember is that Satanists
their whole goal is to lie and deceive. They cannot
create anything. They can only destroy, distort, and pervert. They
cannot create anything, which is really important to remember.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 1: From personal experience. I mean, granted, they can create our work,
that's not what I'm talking about. They cannot create anything
that lasts other than Satanism apparently, you know, but I
think that's kind of a fluke more than anything. But
I think that actually gives more credence to the existence
of Satan as a deity. It gives more credence to
the existence of actual evil because it's the only thing
that Satanists have ever been able to do is to
perpetuate Satanism itself.
Speaker 3: Other than that, the.
Speaker 1: Only thing they do is destroy, pervert, distort.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. But specifically, they will lie, they will
distort the truth, They will do everything in their power
in order to reach reach the ends that they desire.
Speaker 2: Period.
Speaker 3: So when people.
Speaker 1: Say that, oh, Satanists are the only group that don't
hurt children, that's a lie.
Speaker 3: It's a lie.
Speaker 1: Satanists just like any other organization out there. There's plenty
of Satanists that don't hurt children, I will, I'll comfortably
say that, sure, but there there are plenty that do.
And also, like you said, uh, being a bad person
is not exclusive to being a Satanist either, so unfortunately,
right right, So it would be a lot, be a
lot easier. You know, if if everyone had a had
an eyepatch or a big twirling you know, it would
be a lot easier.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 1: The best thing you can do is to honestly know
that these people are out there, Familiarize yourself enough with
the belief system, because I promise you they know everything
about your faith and your your your belief system, and
so familiarize yourself with your adversaries so that way you're
more familiar with what they believe and you'll be able
to have an easier time picking them out. And honestly,
beyond that, if any anybody has any questions, you're more
than welcome to reach out to me and find me
on x, Instagram, Telegram or over on my channel Rise
to Liberty, or you can find me pretty much anywhere
that you know my show is I'm on Spotify, Apple.
I also have a sub stack I highly recommend people
look over at which is called Beware the Mocking. And
I'm actually in the process right now with releasing written
articles regarding the Satanic Panic, and it's going to be
it's the most extensive look at what caused the Satanic
Panic and what the Satanic Panic actually was. So yeah,
anybody has any questions, feel free to reach out. And
I want to say, hey, thanks for having me on.
This was a blast, awesome, I appreciate it. We will
have your links in the description of the video. And
so again, Jacob from Rise to Liberty, thank you so much.
Appreciate you being with us and sharing with us your
story anytime.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
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