The Satanic Panic Psyop: One of History's Darkest Psychological Operations

#SatanicPanic #SatanicCrimes #Satanism 
We examine the historical context of the satanic panic, a significant psyop that has influenced public perception. This discussion sheds light on the true crime aspects often associated with such narratives. Understanding these elements is crucial for a comprehensive view of the events.

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Other JJ, appreciate the end, looking forward to talking some

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Speaker 3: Us, right, Yeah, totally. I mean it does kind of

seem though, that they're you know, causing some of these

problems to maybe make it a bit more difficult for

you know, people like us to be able to get

some of this information out there.

Speaker 5: I mean, oh, dude, I mean we've been under the

times progressively for a while, right. I Mean there's I

sent you a clip recently of this devil shit I'd

never seen.

Speaker 4: Before, and I see a lot of devil shit right

because a lot of it's been removed from the interwebs. Dude.

I mean, it's tough to find some things these.

Speaker 3: Days, it really is, Which is I'm trying to get

in contact with some of these like old time researchers

and stuff, some of the guys that had like hard

copies of this stuff try and get access to some

of their archives because there's no other way, you know,

and they're they're scrubbing stuff as quickly as possible. It

seems like every every other month that there's an issue

with like the Internet archive being down, and every time

it's down, they scrub it.

Speaker 4: So, yeah, dude, there's been a lot of shit that's

been yeah deleted that I know used to exist on

the way back machine. I can no longer way back it.

Speaker 5: So and that's why I appreciate ed Sanders archives being

on paper and you know, climate control regions of a

Princeton basement Library prince University, because you know, at least

they're preserved. Now Mary Terry's files, the folks they don't

those won't put those in the library for folks consumption,

or have they released many of those files to the public.

So we see a lot of censorship, not only on

the interwets, but in pay per format still too. Oh yeah,

oh yeah, analogue if you will, analog censorship, Yeah.

Speaker 3: Analog, that's funny. So where where did you kind of

get your start with the you know, the the Satan Ship.

I mean, yeah, that's something we've never talked about before.

Speaker 5: That's a good question. I just I guess I realized

that this ship was going on. Man, you know what

I mean, Like over time, I've always been focused on crime,

so I came in from more of a criminal perspective.

I had a I had a very choose your own

adventure grad school program with the University of Phoenix, Fighting Phoenix,

Fight Phoenix Sprout. Leon Black owns that, you know, Jeffrey

Epstein's buddy, but it was it was. There are programs

offered on every military installation, and it ain't cost me

nothing as far as tuition goes, because the military is

picking up that tablets an act your duty.

Speaker 4: So I took advantage.

Speaker 5: I eventually stopped a pause from drinking my U is

my full time job, and took on some other extracurricular activities.

I mean, I was just always work between. I worked

this as hard as I party, just as hard as

a working meet and say it's not my fault.

Speaker 4: I was born with a Mickey Mantel. Uh, you know,

Mickey Manel.

Speaker 5: Jean you know, you drink all night, you stick it up,

hit home runs all I'm saying, right, uh but the

uh No, I was in grad school and I just started,

you know, studying crime war and trying to understand you know,

specifically murder in my uh my program for the Administration

of Criminal Justice. And you know, every week I had

to write a I mean, you can say a lot

for University Phoenix Ship. But their grad school program was

pretty intense. It was eighteen months I had to go

or no, I think it was fourteen months. I had

to go to go there one night a week for

like six hours. Now in six hours, it was like

five hours with like a thirty minute break in the middle,

you know, every Thursday night.

Speaker 4: And I went in person. It wasn't online.

Speaker 5: And it was interesting experience because I had a number

of interesting professors, including the guy who used to be

Janet rene a former FBI you know, executive level dude

who was Janet Reno's had a security was one of

my number Michael, Yeah, you know, the butcher of Waco.

She makes an appearance in the Epstein Files. Yes, do

you cover up?

Speaker 4: She made her bones covering up the Country Daywalk case.

Speaker 5: Out of the satanic cricial abuse case in the early nineties, uh,

circa eighty nine, I think it was.

Speaker 4: It began out of Miami, Florida.

Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, that's where she made her bones, right, another

daycare scandal, correct.

Speaker 5: Almost simultaneously, and it was popping off in the aftermath

of mc martin and Presidio.

Speaker 4: So yeah, this was coast to coast set ritual abuse

and they called it. They called in the heavy hitters

from every angle the covered up, including the butcher of Waco.

This is before she is the FBI director. I'm sorry

that general right.

Speaker 3: Interesting, That's that's some wind. So where where did you

like start picking up on all the satan ship though,

because I mean that's it is kind of a specific

line of research for sure.

Speaker 5: No, it was just the patterns man at some point

in time when you see so many of these crimes

of the rich, of the abusive children, and of the murders,

and you see time after time the things that are

being ignored in these cases are just like a day

I was already familiar with. This is kind of simultaneously

me discovering Dave mcgallan. So I had just read weird

scenes inside the Canyon. This has been twenty I was

following his blog series on Facebook or whatever.

Speaker 4: In twenty fourteen.

Speaker 5: He had an entire Weird Scenes inside the Canyon blog Facebook,

but it was like a whole Facebook page there you

go for Weird Scenes inside the Canyon before it was published.

So I was following that because I heard him on

a radio show. Have turned out to be an FBI guy.

That's strange, I think sometimes, but whatever, not towards McGowan.

It's just as far as shaping the narrative around some

of these subjects, why you know, and yeah, that's a

slightly different topic because there's always bullshit around all these topics.

Speaker 4: Look at laser tag Ted Gunderson, right, no, no, you

got shot by lasers twice.

Speaker 5: I just over time, it's just a repeating pattern of behavior, right,

Like that's the McGowan's right, That is the thing being

ignored in the serial killer case.

Speaker 4: And if you apply that same So I was like, oh,

that's true.

Speaker 5: What have we just applied that same center across the case,

you know, across the spectrum murder and see how much

that applies. And it applies a lot, that is, And

then they're they're ignoring that factor in a number of

cases right in every state or jurisdiction. It's it's almost

like they're doing it under the auspices of national security,

which is also what they said. Dave McGowan seems to

have been correct.

Speaker 3: Man, we we lost a hell of a man, uh

with him going. Honestly, I can't even imagine what what

he would have done still being around, And honestly, I

would have loved to see him, because he answered a

question in an interview one time, like what he was

going to work on next, and he was saying that,

you know, he was probably going to go the complete

opposite direction and do something entirely unrelated, which I would

have loved to see.

Speaker 5: He was working on some Lincoln stuff there at the

time of his death. Lincoln series on his website was

not complete. But it's very interesting because again I like

to just say, if that, if Dave McGown was right,

we can apply that same framework to a lot of

other parapolitical scenarios. That's what I did with the Laurel

Canyon series, applying it to the grunge rock scene, which

you wanted to discuss a little a little a little

bit of that Sday with pork and some for connections

to the occult racialistic murder and abuse networks.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually had a a post that went like

semi viral talking about some uh uh you know, heroin

blood content uh and ended up Yeah, oh last time

I saw but one point seven million views, so you know,

pretty pretty damn good honestly. But yeah, there's oh, for sure,

tons of strange ship around the Cobaine murder.

Speaker 5: Because it was clear she had the question is we

asked her, was that Kurt Cobain that was in fact

murdered or was that just some other junkie?

Speaker 4: Right? I mean, man had his face blown off. They

identified him by his driver's license sitting on his pant

leg technic.

Speaker 3: Actually they he didn't blow his face off, and in fact,

the bullet didn't even go through the back of his head,

so where where the blood was what wasn't even like

underneath his head, which is funny.

Speaker 5: That is the official stance though, from the paramact that

was first arriving on scene. That's how he identified with

Kirk Cobain because he didn't call it in the police.

He called into a radio station. To the whole the

whole thing is mired in suspicion of you asking. It's

all very.

Speaker 3: Suspect, right right, JJ's glasses are.

Speaker 4: If you want, let's see it.

Speaker 5: Because if you read a suicide note this suicide note right,

I mean because again Cobain, he was, he was in

this network. In my opinion, he was in the coldest.

He's very good for William Burrows. They did an album

together right before his death. His Burrows is the root

behind the smiley face. Is a chaos symbol of the subculture.

Speaker 3: Right well, inside body. His body got cremated. Nobody even

knows where it is to this day, at least that's

what they say.

Speaker 5: But there's actually a theory out there that existed since

the night early onset of COVID. And he said, I'm

an old I'm an old muppet, sir. I was on

the discussion boards in ninety four. Kind of deal, you know,

in the early age of the inner webs, right, calling

Microsoft in ninety five saying your product sucks when theows

five do better.

Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Well, it's.

Speaker 3: Just stuck when you're the only one because you use

mob tactics to take out everyone else.

Speaker 5: I don't think any of their fucking their bugs do.

They're like, let's release it. We'll have all of our

customers tell us where the bugs are. I really think

that was their business model and is right.

Speaker 3: I mean, that's still kind of kind of is.

Speaker 4: I was a going to say, you don't, well, if

any broke, don't fix it, right, you can if you

can say, you know, you can rob folks of their

money and you know, be a dick back about it

by not employing an actual department or doing your making

a product that works. Right.

Speaker 5: Back then, there was an early and it still kind

of exists. I think I see it rehash for a

few years, but William Burrows that William S. Burrows had

made something called the dream Machine, and it was this

device that had spinning, spinning lights and shit, you're supposed

to look into it and essentially activates your fucking pineal gland.

Speaker 3: Right, God, sounds very mk ultry.

Speaker 4: Exactly right.

Speaker 5: Not only that it produced some weird results of folks

killing themselves. So there was always there was a long

standing theory that that was what happened to Cobad and

due to his relations with William Burrows.

Speaker 3: I mean, at this point, I'm willing to believe almost anything.

But it's just every bit of the story is just strange.

It's just so strange, and even just going on the

official story, nothing adds up. I mean, we're expected to

believe that he has three times the lethal dose of

heroin in his system. He recaps his syringes and operates

a Remington Model eleven, which anytime a barrel is obstructed

on a Remington Model eleven, it doesn't eject the shell.

So where the hell did that come from?

Speaker 4: Right? Right? Yeah, there's so many aspects of it. I

have so many questions too.

Speaker 5: But if you want to talk Courtney or Courtney Love

in the process, if you want to share the little

link I just shared, you would you believe that that

Robert de Gramson wrote an article about Kurt Cobain's death

and snuck into the New York Times.

Speaker 4: It got printed thirty before they stopped it.

Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here with that.

Speaker 5: He blames everybody from the National Security Council with the

Church of the SubGenius. I've been doing a lot of

Bob Dobbs coverage on twixter here recently. But he blames

everybody else. But notice he doesn't blame the process in

this process is spanded in nineteen seventy fourths. So I

saw it in a Netflix documentary.

Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly the same Netflix. Who's you know Edward

Burnet's is great nephew was a co founder of that same.

Speaker 5: Yeah, the same and the same filmmaker of that Netflix documentary,

son of Sam Josh Seaman, who then obfuscated and censored

more work of Maury Terry's by removing the death mass

chapter from the reprinting of The Ultimate Evil. What I

started as a proto smiley face killing murder?

Speaker 3: Interesting? Why why is.

Speaker 5: That Andrew Crispo stalked a young young male of a

smiley face killer victimology, you know, eighteen to twenty five

fit intelligent generally, you know, would be considered an attractive

young male, you know, with the with the opposing sex

for this matter, to the same sex, because apparently this

man was a gay man and Crispo picked him up

at a bar. And now the circumstances surrounding the discoveryer's body,

I think is what evolved the the evolution of that

modus operandi, because that's in the eighties and the early nineties.

I would argue, we have our first Smiley faced killer

victims in New York City. It seems based upon the records,

we can't do second autopsies on some of these cases.

But there was a case ninety two. It's a case

ninety one, ninety two to ninety four that I assert

were likely victims. The victims zero. This is often referred

to as New Year's Eve nineteen ninety eight, ninety seven,

I'm sorry, in January first, nineteen ninety eight, essentially right,

and in New York City there in midtown Manhattan, floridam

University student. So again, I think it's the evolution, right,

Eventually they you know, they start the cults growing larger,

They're building more cells, and just based upon how folks operate,

those cells are going to slightly operate in different capacities,

have slight variations. So we see, I think we did

see those evolutions going on there from the from the

Crispas situation and the death mass murders connected to the

whole process there. And again the filmmaker Josh seemed to

remove that chapter. Is that Dana Dudah saw her in

the chest. She's she's done some efforts, some excellent efforts

on portraying that censorship.

Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, amazing work, absolutely amazing work. And also, Dana,

if you're still here, Look, we're not streaming to other

other platforms. We we we definitely uh definitely are sticking

to our.

Speaker 4: Compliance in compliance.

Speaker 5: But what are your thoughts about this article about I mean,

not only is he calling out the whole Cobaine thing

and he lived longer and Nixon lived longer than Cobaine,

that's obviously the title, but they really the impetus behind

the article.

Speaker 3: In my opinion, I mean, it's all very strange, especially

when you start digging into what Courtney Love was doing

in her early life. You know, what was forced upon her? Really?

Because you know, children can't consent, so what what was

forced upon her? That the very fact that I mean,

he calls this a suicide, I think, would you know,

raise my eyebrow to even question, like you said, was

that even Cobain.

Speaker 5: Right, I say, corrected, he does blame the processed church here? Yeah,

I think it should be asked, was that even Cobaine?

So the Grimston rights though apparently a suicide. Commins said,

that's being investigated by the National Security Council.

Speaker 4: Okay, you mean the folks that run the process. That's

my opinion.

Speaker 3: I mean, there were so many reasons for like federal

agencies to get involved because like, for instance, the FBI

said they didn't ever get involved because there was nothing

uh interstate, and that's bullshit. Yes, yes there was. There

was plenty of interstate travel between Cobain and other people,

including Courtney Love.

Speaker 5: So oh, for sure, they're definitely involved in some weird stuff.

Rad no on disagree there. So you are the Parents'

Music Resource Committee.

Speaker 3: Probably it's not ringing a bell.

Speaker 4: That was the tip of early eighties in Congress.

Speaker 5: It was financed by the Beach Boys.

Speaker 3: Kids out of here. Dude, that that is wild. So

a couple of things that came across my desk. So.

Courtney Love's father, Hank Harrison, described his daughter's apparent dissociative

identity disorder previously known as MPD, in a book titled

Love Kills The Assassination of Kurt Cobain. Love had invited

Harrison to attend a Whole show in nineteen ninety three,

where Harrison talked with Whole bass player Kristen Praff. The

bass player told Harrison she feared that Love was going

in and out of various personalities, as if she appeared

dissociative and was going through fague state amnesia. Harrison said

that over the years he also saw Courtney progress through

various dissociative states. How she may have gotten this way

deserves much consideration. Hank was attending graduate school and working

as a counselor while also managing the Warlocks for six

months after they formed in the San Francisco Bay community

of Palo Alto in May of nineteen sixty five. The

band soon changed its name to The Grateful Dead. Harrison

lived with the members of The Grateful Dead and its

bassist phil phil Lesh, becoming Courtney's godfather.

Speaker 4: I thought it was pick right, was Phil Lesh? Yep?

Speaker 3: And Courtney's parents history appears to link with MK ultras.

In the early nineteen seventies, the Grateful Dead turned against

Hank Harrison as he published a book asserting that the

band sold heroine Linda Carroll was also intimately connected to

drug users Ken Keasley's acid test scene, where high level

CIA MK ultra scientists such as John Giddinger attended several

acid test parties. I mean this is her parents, you know,

So the very fact of her being involved in MK

ultra some way, you know, would not be surprising. Let's

see Carol all.

Speaker 5: Especially the age of what she was doing those activities, right,

she's like, right eight nine years old according to her father.

Speaker 3: So it says here that Courtney was sent well, first

of all, she was raised in San Francisco in the

height of all of this, But she was sent to

a Santa Clara Valley Medical Center where c I A

MK ulture scientists conducted narco hypnosis and behavior modification in

association with the Stanford Research Institute.

Speaker 4: So you know what that reminds me of?

Speaker 3: What's that?

Speaker 4: Oh, go ahead and finish fishing.

Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's pretty much it. Other other than the

fact that.

Speaker 4: Uh Sriyah the scientologis help put off seven is one

of that. But that whole situation, the circumstances just playting

it out.

Speaker 5: There was her childhood and getting shipped off to the

booby hatch in Ohai they say in the film and

Hair Advice. The guy who's the wealthy attorney who's kind

of orchestrating this drog trafficking network of what what what

I would call is the family because that's what they

call themselves in the film. They they literally that dude's

daughter he's shipping here to what she describes as a

booby hatch for reprogramming. Basically, so that's basically what you

just described. This young girl's life is depicted in the

film Inherent a Vice, which is a Thomas pinch On

novel that was made into a film by seeing what

I assert is probably a secret scientologist Paul Thomas Anderson,

because there's only a vault. You can only direct films

or acting films with so many scientologists so many times

from gonna put you on a list, right, you know

what I mean? Him and Tom Cruise. You know he's

got he's got a lot of scientology connections anyhow. But

you know, I think we we've seen that relationship. But

again it depicted in the film and hair advice like

that is the life of the Portney love lived. Is

escaping out of these kind of Leney bens, these booby

hatches as they're described, because that ties into to the

private privatization of all the is by Ronald Reagan there

in California back in nineteen seventy.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, it's also interesting. I don't know if you've

ever seen any any of the what what was it?

It was accordingly released a book. Let's see if I

can find it real quick.

Speaker 4: But yeah, I didn't know she was uncommon. I didn't

know she could write read.

Speaker 3: Well, it's it's actually so so the book itself is

actually a it's like this weird collage from her journals. Oh,

and man, it's very strange.

Speaker 5: It is very looking at some of her artwork, dude,

it's creepy as it's like kind of animal looking.

Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, if you just let's see, I can't.

It doesn't look like I can find it. Wait, I

think I have it right here.

Speaker 4: Dirty Blondes the Diaries.

Speaker 3: Yep, Dirty Blonde that's the one I've got.

Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like a creepy fucking book here, budd.

Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very mk ultra esque. Let's see. It's

kind of a large file, so it's taking a second load.

Speaker 5: See, I'm looking at some artwork from it, dude, And

I see the pedo symbol from the FBI report in

two thousand and seven in the word whole.

Speaker 4: She's using that pto symbol as as the Oh.

Speaker 3: Yeah, so the spiral right, come on, it's a huge

file three hundred and twelve pages.

Speaker 5: That is a big that's a big book, dude, under ships,

so many words to put down paper. Well, some of

these from her time and these baby hatches, and is

that what you're telling me?

Speaker 3: Well, so this is like sections of this is from

her journals with like before she met Cobain and while

like the very start of their career. You know, so

she has pictures, you know, I don't know, it's kind

of a just like an interesting choice. The way she

put this together. You know, it's kind of like a

scrap book journal slash memory book, you know, like.

Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this looks like the imaginations of somebody

didn't give a shit about their kid because their mother

was a trust fund child. Her mother never worked a

day in life, according to Hank Harrison.

Speaker 3: Right, I mean there's you know this weird like collage stuff.

You can find a lot, find out a lot about.

Speaker 4: Somebody didn't have parents to give a shit about them

their childhood. Dude.

Speaker 3: Kind of right, it kind of kind of looks like

somebody was probably going through some ship in some facilities.

You know, it's all right, like and you just go

through this whole thing. It's just fucking strange man, and

I mean it doesn't get any better either. So yeah,

I mean there's some some stuff from high school, let's

see seventy nine. So you know it's kind of like

this bohemian punk rock asque thing.

Speaker 4: Well that's according to Hank Harrison. Her mother was very

much a Hitie.

Speaker 3: Cottage program right here boom.

Speaker 4: But doesn't her mother kind of resemble the same character

as like an Abigail.

Speaker 3: Folger, Yeah, yeah, really does. So.

Speaker 5: Abigail Folger's mother and Anton Levy were very good friends

from early on. I want to say around nineteen sixty

two they met. It was before the Hate Nashbury scene

because but they knew he started during that time. So

Abigail Folger's mother was the first lady in America to

have Abigail Folger was birth this way under hypnosis, right,

so instead of giving the mother drugs for labor, they

hypnotize her. Now, Anton Levy's first wife, Diane Haggerty, who

would later be Ted Laser tag ted Gunerson's side piece

in the late nineties early two thousands in Las Vegas.

Speaker 4: They were both private investigators in Las Vegas. To get

Hurt and Ted right, But when she helped start the

Church of Satan with Anton Levey, and they gave birth

to her their first daughter. She was born, she was

born on hypnosis thanks to Abigail Folder's mother selling her

that on that idea.

Speaker 3: So here's here's something kind of interesting one of her

medical records. Courtney has made some progress in areas in

the area of improving her self concept. However, her anger

and hurtful behavior towards others is still evident. On cottage,

it seems that at times, Courtney spends more energy trying

to find ways to beat the system rather than trying

to work within its confines to accomplish her own goals.

This behavior pattern has been consistent in both guided group

interaction groups and on the cottage behavior. Courtney is presently

expressing some very severe feelings of fear regarding replacement in

the community. I mean, to me, just off off the cusp.

This kind of just sounds like somebody who's been abused.

Speaker 4: For sure.

Speaker 5: I wonder if she was also born under some weird

circumstances like Abigail Folger was with some of that.

Speaker 3: Hypnotistuf right, I mean, based on who her parents are,

who knows, you.

Speaker 4: Know, and I make that point.

Speaker 5: To make this point, is she still looked up to

her mother in ablic accord in that circumstance. You can't

mean you can't tell me that just like the drugs,

that the hypnosis doesn't have some sort of effect on

the child.

Speaker 3: Right, Well, and look at this, I mean Courtney remained

at Hillcrest approximately eight months. Like I guarantee that place

is glowy and spooky, you know, right, some girl, yeah,

right right, I mean it's just just weird ship. And

obviously this doesn't you know, excuse any of her behavior,

but it doesn't.

Speaker 5: But that barography red kind of substantiates the kind of

character you would expect to be found in the Epstein network.

Speaker 3: Right right, And I mean it makes sense that she

would be involved somehow, which also, why haven't we seen

her name pop up in any of this?

Speaker 4: Yeah? Because Epstein's butler circlar name in the Black Book.

Speaker 3: Right exactly exactly. I mean there's tons of.

Speaker 5: Gawker published it, right, and then Peter Till Peter Tiel

shut down. Peter Tiel loves freedom speech. He shut down

Gawker by financing Hulk Cogan's lawsuit against.

Speaker 4: Gaker right, right, he loves the first because Peter Tiel

is an art and supporter of the First Amendment apparently, right.

Speaker 3: Did you know his last wife before he died was

a scientologist.

Speaker 4: He I thought he was a gay man. I was choking.

Speaker 3: Definitely gay.

Speaker 5: You mean Hulk Cogan's last night was I'm not shocked

because yeah, I did not know that, sir. But I'm

not shocked because his his whole shop there's right there

in clear Water.

Speaker 4: Right right?

Speaker 3: Yeah, he has two shops, one in clear Water and

I can't remember where the other one is.

Speaker 4: Studio.

Speaker 5: Yeah, so the same place they have a Voodoo Donuts

right well, and.

Speaker 3: I mean talking about you know, trafficking and all that stuff,

world wrestling. I mean, get out of here, dude, Like

these are just some of the same organizations.

Speaker 4: Uh.

Speaker 3: Like last night I was talking to my mother about

country music and then being right right and the the

implication of Garth Brooks most likely being a serial killer.

It's it seems pretty likely.

Speaker 5: I like brainals that. I don't disagree there's something on there.

Would you believe there's a smiley faced killer victim? Back

in March of twenty twenty twenty, Wow, I can't count

right now. Four Riley strange. The last place he visited

was Garth Brooks Bar in Nashville. Now he's often credited

with visiting Luke Bryant's bar. He never made it past

the four.

Speaker 4: Yer right right, that's fucking wild. He had numerous strengths

at Garth Brooks Bar and then disappeared and was found

in the river smiley faced killer victim style.

Speaker 3: So one last thing I wanted to highlight on this

before I dropped this down, is this I'm going to

live in Ireland someday. Her dad, Hank Harrison, actually said

that she did end up living in Dublin and which

is allegedly where she started prostituting.

Speaker 4: So where's she at today?

Speaker 3: That's that's a good question. She's over in Europe somewhere.

Speaker 4: I believe I thought she left America.

Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, yeah, I mean she left years ago

from what I understand, so she probably got a heads

up or something that that's my guess. Sure so sure, yeah,

But that's that's some really strange stuff. People can find

find that book on the Who Killed Kurt website Who

Killed Kurt dot org slash deep dive. Uh, they've got

tons of tons of stuff on their website that you

can dig through regarding Kurt Cobain, all the medical records

and just everything everything. It's it's actually a pretty pretty

great case if that's a orty, pretty great resource if

that's something you guys.

Speaker 4: Are interested in, So, yeah, make sure and check that out.

Speaker 5: Where do you think this is going right now with

the current reinvestigations they call it.

Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean I do find it kind

of interesting. I I think it is good that people,

you know.

Speaker 5: Well, we see events, we see them announce that, and

then then Cobain's you know, I haven't seen to the

extent he's discussed in the Epstein files yet, but he's us.

Speaker 4: There's some capacity, right, I know.

Speaker 3: This this team over at Who Killed Kurt? They they

have been at this for a while now, and they

were featured in the most recent I think it was

Daily Mail. This is the page who Killed Kurt. They

have a great YouTube channel for anyone interested in this.

They've done a documentary, plenty of interviews. I know, I've

heard criticisms. Yeah, everyone's got a criticism of everyone. But nonetheless,

I mean they linked to primary sources and that's kind

of why I, you know, say go check it out

because they have the primary sources, which is super important.

Speaker 4: I haven't been to that site, sir. I'll have to

check that out myself. Here.

Speaker 5: I've been following this case ever since that first book

was written, one around two thousand and three.

Speaker 4: Right, what book am I thinking of? I don't know

what book I'm thinking of it was, but Canadian journalists. Oh,

I think.

Speaker 5: We saw them into smells like nuts or the the

the definitely the documentary with the private detective.

Speaker 4: Soaked and bleach. Yeah, there's there's a.

Speaker 3: Couple of journalists that they were Canadian, weren't they.

Speaker 5: Yeah, he's Canadian for sure, because there's very few Canadians

I can respect, and that's one of them.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 5: Well, when you have the Queen on your money, dude,

and you and you basically you know, I guess now

they're washing the balls of King Charles.

Speaker 4: I just I can't. This is only so far I

can go.

Speaker 3: No, I'm with you. And And what what's crazy too

is that, uh, you know, Canada had the exact same

opportunity that we did fighting off the British, and they

just decided to bend the knee instead. So oh and look,

look who's here? Are our channel?

Speaker 4: Who killed my favorite, my favorite Langley muppet?

Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody cares.

Speaker 5: Nobody cares. Now you know that CIA is connected to

that Langley? You saying nobody cares. I'm onto your games muppet?

Speaker 4: Right, that's so funny, man, what a muppet? Yeah, dude,

I mean, there's just like many of these high profile things.

Speaker 5: It's interesting that they're going to rehash this because obviously

the Seattle Police Department is loan buried this for whatever

reason we don't know right now, but they had no

interest in opening this well.

Speaker 3: And I mean they've even come out and said recently,

because of the reinterest in the case, that they will

not reopen it. So, I mean, you know, they're they're

pretty adamant about that one one thing. I think one

or at least one reason why. I'm not sure if

you'd know about the story, but there was a police officer,

Detective Antonio Terry, who was actually murder uh for investigating

He spent over two hundred hours investigating where the heroin

came from that was injected into him because apparently, based

on the toxicology reports, uh, the heroin was like pure

like one hundred percent pure.

Speaker 5: And you're a China white, just like in Hair Advice, Right,

that's all the drug overdoses in that film. They were

written off with drug overdoses, but they were rejecting him

with the pure stuff they were importing.

Speaker 3: Right, And I mean that that would explain how he

was able to get three times the lethal dose of

heroin into its system. So in fact, let's see, let's

just bring up.

Speaker 5: On another Hair Advice note. Is Owen Wilson's character. He's

a He fakes his death of a heroin overdose and

goes undercover in this family network slash National security Enterprise.

Speaker 3: Interesting, huh, I need to watch.

Speaker 5: That directly to a Hollywood actor. I sat, I sart

that the standing of Birch's dodger, this Hollywood actor is

actually Marlon Brando.

Speaker 3: Oh really, Laurel Canyon connection.

Speaker 4: Interesting, Jack Nicholson's neighbor. He's sure they share a driveway

together at folks died in the Brando estate.

Speaker 3: Yes they did. Yeah, And allegedly when he would take

off oddly enough, you know, take off out of town,

and they're.

Speaker 4: Just he would always take oh, go ahead, sir.

Speaker 3: I was just saying that he was always you know,

taken out of or taken off out of town. Every

time lots of bodies would show up. Same same with

Jack Nicholson, you know.

Speaker 5: Yeah, well they both wreak of sex cultures. They both

have a Baker's dozen kids out of wedlock. And in fact,

the depicted on Gilman here advice, first dodger, we get

on his uh, his dinghy, his his yacht and sail

off to French Polynesia. Well that's exactly what Marlon Branda

would do. Yes, today you can get folks, can go

stand at the Branda resort. It's it's his own island.

He has his own islands. Talk about Epstein Island. Brando's

had his own island since sixty four. I think it

was when he married the princess of the French Polynesian

family down there, and then they got the French Polynesian

folks to give him an island.

Speaker 3: That's so crazy, get given an island?

Speaker 4: Yeah that wild was he doing for him to give

me given an island? Right? Well?

Speaker 3: And dude, that whole area down there, the US Virgin Islands,

the Caribbean, all of that, all of that area.

Speaker 5: This is next to to heat, sir ll that, you know,

I apologize. No, you're right, that is the choice for

human trafficking, you know, But this is I just wanted

to clarify. This is not next to Epstein. Now, this

isn't this is next to Tahiti.

Speaker 3: Oh interesting, well that's that's also another human.

Speaker 4: Maybe it's the other side of the world's Epstein island

off you is kind of what I'm getting at, right right,

let's see that I mean in those two places.

Speaker 3: And that at this point, like I said, I would

not be surprised. So to address this this tweet, The

toxicology reports from Kurt Cobain's autopsy indicated a blood morphine

level of one point five to two milligrams per liter

of blood. Five milligrams of heroin will produce a blood

morphine level of zero point zero three five milligrams in

the average adult. Even heavy heroin users only use up

to forty to sixty milligrams of heroin in one hit

or one syringe, which would equal to a zero point

four to two zero milligram blood morphine level in the

average adult. So to reach the blood morphine level of

one point five to two milligrams per liter, you're talking

about an amount that would certainly have exceeded two hundred

milligrams of heroin that were injected into Kurt Cobain. Two

hundred milligrams of heroin would equal three times the amount

that would be considered lethal for almost any adult. We have,

or we are expected to believe that Kurt Cobain is

able to operate a Remington Model eleven shotgun with three

times the lethal amount of heroin in his system. Not

only that, but we are expected to believe that he

recapped the syringes he used to inject said heroin, and

we were expected to believe that Kurt Cobain held the

barrel in his hand, a hand that is apt, that

has absolutely no blood or gunpowder residue. So these are

two of the crime scene photos. Syringes that are recapped

and a clean hand, which I mean.

Speaker 4: Good points there. It's the excellent points there. These two.

Speaker 5: Just generally speaking, these two scenes kind of remind me

of two other scenes. One Philip Seymour Hoffman somebody, somebody

who did this scene didn't understand drugs, right, I said,

you know, Philip Seymour Hoffin's whole story was, oh, he

relapsed after like twenty years and started just doing a

bunch of heroin. He had like forty two baggies of

heroin on his dead body, Like no one, that's not

even that's not really over there.

Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ridiculous. But on top of that, also what's

strange is when they investigated the investigated this, the police

immediately called it a suicide, which, right, that doesn't happen

even with Philip Seymour Hoffman. They waited for at least,

you know, the medical examiner's report, because they said, a

death investigation is how police categorize it until there is

a cause. This was you know, they discover the body

and immediately report to the press that it was a suicide.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 5: And again that electrician I think I said paramedic before,

but it was that electrician that was there at the

house suspiciously who calls a radio station, so the whole

public knows before even the police, a law enforcement allegedly met.

Speaker 3: Right right, Which that none of that makes it sense.

Speaker 5: And so yeah, that's so beyond bizarre. It's already even

putting any kind of content text it makes any reasonable sense, right.

Speaker 3: Right, And you know, I wanted to bring this up

regarding Courtney, so she's over in San Francisco, which seems

to be the location of well many other things like

Persidio and Michael Aquino. You know, little Mikey's over there

just like I don't know, it just seems he pops

up all over the place, you know it.

Speaker 4: I mean that was his job.

Speaker 5: He is the go between through seventy networks, right like

he was, just like Rusty Nelson says when Rusty Nelson,

the kid ddling chold pornographer guy a photographer from the

Franklin scandal situations. But I believe his sorry that he

was sitting in a room in Omaha doing some kid

dadling pornographies and walks Michael Akina with a briefcase full

of Barra bonds that he said was for the Iran contreras.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah, total contras.

Speaker 3: That that story and the story about Hunter S. Thompson

are deafly two that I absolutely believe.

Speaker 4: They seem very believable, right you see all the relationships between.

First of all, watch I was a huge Letterman fan

growing up, and I remember that's when my first introduction

to Thompson was on Letterman. He's a nutshout every time

he's on there. And then you look at his relationship

with Johnny Depp, mister neo process, and you're like, oh, yeah,

some of that ship might actually comport then huh.

Speaker 3: Right, right man. It's it's just absolutely wild, all all

the connections. You say it all the time. It's just

all of these muppets know each.

Speaker 4: Other, these moments, all know each other, sir.

Speaker 3: Let's see, there's one one video I wanted to bring up.

I thought this was amazing, kind of shifting gears here

a little bit, but I think you'll get a kick

out of this. This is actually a video of that

dig from the McMartin preschool.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you mentioned this. I'd love to see this. Yeah.

Speaker 3: So this is uh the program to Kill YouTube page.

So make sure and go subscribe to Patrick. He's great.

All the work he does is great. And he's he's

the one that found this and posted it to his YouTube.

Uh so, yeah, this, I mean, this is amazing. I

mean they're they're just literally out there dig it. I

mean the parents helped with all of this, which I

think is absolutely crazy.

Speaker 5: I think it's pretty wild because we're told this never happens, sir,

this is not a real thing. There was so there

was no titles underneath the markin.

Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no it we're paying.

Speaker 3: It's well, well, we're we're panicked if we think that

there were tals.

Speaker 4: I'm feeling really paining right now. Buddy.

Speaker 5: He was Ira Reyner, Charles Manson's buddy that hit coat

this entire situation. So he was not the District Attorney

of Los Angeles who brought the charges. They ran that

motherfucker out of office. So he announces the charges and

then a month later he loses the election. That's weird, right,

because in that uh, he felt pretty confident I think

going into that election by taking these charges before the election, right,

we're filing these charges, right, He has a press conference

saying that the root cause of all of this stuff

his kid dead child pornography. Suddenly he loses the election

next month, the following month, and then we get Ira

Ryan and Charles Manson's personal friends the district attorney, and

he's like, yep, time to shit code this whole thing.

Speaker 4: Yeah, no kidding, because he's the one.

Speaker 5: So he's the one who prosecutes, uh, the head of

the medician cartel and not cocaine Bob Evans from the

murder of Roy raiding along with William Mintzer and his

South American hit squad buddy whose name is escaping at

the moment.

Speaker 3: Oh and right there, look at that, there's the plate

that the infamous Pentagram plate. I mean, you know, it's

different when you see video.

Speaker 6: Like for sure, dude, especially with color and shit, right

because you have that one pheto of laser tags heed

and the tunnels in black and white, which I think

is hilarious.

Speaker 4: But why he's got black and white photos in nineteen

ninety one or whatever, dude, is beyond me.

Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean so yeah, it looks like five

seventeen ninety was the day that this dig took place.

And las Head actually appears in this video and it's

kind of interesting, but he's only about halfway through because

the dig started before he got there. So apparently he

was real piss.

Speaker 4: Right because he wasn't he the day.

Speaker 5: Jackie mcgauley, the mother of the mc martin victim that

he had infiltrated her house and was a parent a

sex pest two and she has nothing that's nice to

say about a laser take ten.

Speaker 4: She's one of the parents that hired that archaeological team.

From UCLA.

Speaker 5: Right that Ted found out and he took the other

parents out from Rick Martin School with shovels and called

the La Times to come out. And that was May first,

So that was sixteen NS before of this.

Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's funny because once once they

started finding the tunnels, like the La Times like took off,

they disappeared.

Speaker 5: Oh yeah, for sure, They're like, we want nothing, So

did Ira Ryan or Ira Ryner says I will not

send my investigators out there, right, And which is interesting

because the trial of Ray Bucky starts, I think on

May fourth, nineteen ninety, the second the retrial. Right, have

you ever wondered why Homegirl Ray Bucky's mother there looks

exactly like missus doubtfire. Has that ever come across your mind?

Oh yeah, brain, will ever ask yourself that question? Oh yeah,

looking creepy? Right, there's a weird, weird fucking resemblance.

Speaker 3: Yeah, it is incredibly strange. Well, because I always wondered

if they didn't base that movie off of her.

Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, dude, Like, what's going on there?

Do something's going on there? Right?

Speaker 3: Yeah?

Speaker 4: Virginia, it looks like that ugly old bag dude.

Speaker 3: Yeah, Virginia McMartin. Man, she is, I mean, looks like

everyone's grandma until.

Speaker 5: You don't want to beauty contact with the butcher Waco.

The competition is beautiful. Right, Well, you got to.

Speaker 4: Think when's missus Dautfire made? Is that ninety three? So

they probably started production what ninety two? They probably wrote

it in ninety one, So that's contemporary to the retrial

of Ray Bucky.

Speaker 3: Right, let's see, let's pause that real quick. I've got

a comparison photo.

Speaker 5: Dude looking dude could have made Robin Williams look like

anybody else, and they made him look exactly like Virginia mcraper,

I mean mc martin.

Speaker 3: Right, exactly. I mean, come on, if this is not

a dead ringer, I don't know what is.

Speaker 4: That's it's just wild.

Speaker 5: Yeah, it was ninety three, so they because I remember

seeing other theaters and think of this because I was

a Robin Williams fan at the time. I've seen some

of his other films like this is fucking weird man, Right, Well,

I think it speaks to the connectivity of the McMartin school.

So the victims reported having folks from Hollywood actors athletes

in the Los Angeles areas as their abusers. So I

think it speaks to the power behind that, right.

Speaker 3: Well, and why why wouldn't they want to sugarcoat it,

you know?

Speaker 4: Right?

Speaker 5: And it could have been something about it could have

been the hit piece of keeping, you know, I'm just

throwing this out. There could have been some sort of

hit piece of keep Virginia mc martin's mouth hold.

Speaker 4: Shutt, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5: The name is doubt fire, dude. Like it's almost like

a threat, like they're going to burn the bitch or something.

Speaker 3: I mean, she could have turned on all of these

people easy, didn't.

Speaker 4: Didn't. She died without ever saying a lot of word about.

Speaker 3: It, right whatever, Ray Ray Bucky. I wonder what he's

up to these days. I know he's still where.

Speaker 4: We should play a game called where are they now?

Satanists from the Ages? And because that's a great question, sir,

Oh dude, that would be a great game.

Speaker 5: I can say we're Sue Ford is aka Bryce Taylor.

She's hiding in the hills of North Carolina.

Speaker 3: Interesting she was.

Speaker 5: Ted Laser tagged. Ted's to her associate after Kathy O'Brien.

Speaker 4: As far as the mate.

Speaker 5: He's the first person, so she's Kathy O'Brien introduces monarch,

sex slavery business, the term monarch, and then Bryce Taylor

says it, Now, I don't I'm not convinced to this.

The programs of Monarch that they explain her what what

are actually valid. And however, we see the evidence of

similar activities to what they describe being played out.

Speaker 4: In situations laymit Martin, Right, this is an extensive video tunnels.

I've never seen this video before. Shocking, right.

Speaker 3: Look at that, dude, that is.

Speaker 5: That's all like craftsmanship. Dude, that's not just a digging.

That's not a shovel in an afternoon. I'm a I'm

a Bison Ranger announcer. I've been digging some ship.

Speaker 4: Dude. That's not that's not an easy effort right.

Speaker 3: There, right, Look at how far down that concrete goes.

Speaker 4: I mean, that's insane. So like these these tunnels, the

machinery right there.

Speaker 3: Right, and the slab was poured back in the sixties

I think sixty four.

Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds right. So what you're saying is they

built this place for this purpose. I think that.

Speaker 5: I think So that's the conclusion I've reached in the studying.

This was this was already this was an affluent area

of Los Angeles County near Manhattan Beach, right right, So

this was this was this was going to be you know,

you start, you build a new town. They put the

McDonald's in there, right, you build a new town. They

got to have their version of their corporate version of

dal and kids.

Speaker 3: There too, right, And I mean they they found everything.

They found the rollaway tub and the building next to

the property.

Speaker 4: Sacrificed animal bones. That was a pretty key factor, over

two hundred animal bones. Small. This is the children describe

smaller tunnel tunnels leading into larger voids, right, how would

children know that? Dudel children can describe the smaller tunnels

into larger voids, Like, that's not a that's not a

normal description of a tunnel. Right right.

Speaker 3: There he is.

Speaker 4: Laser tag ted. Oh this must be that photo you'd

showed me that And see before we've got the headlamp.

Speaker 3: On yep, yep. So this is like right after.

Speaker 4: The yep, wading around like a constitutional rights violator.

Speaker 5: And it's it's ever since I've discovered laser tag ted

dude years ago, I've never understood why he got any credibility.

I'm not saying some of the stuff he said wasn't

valid obviously, but he's like any disinformation campaign. But I

was like, wait a second, the guy that ran Coen

tel pro right is somehow a valid source of information.

Speaker 4: I doubt it. Well, I think it'sates the Constitution.

Speaker 3: People had faith in the FBI back then, you know,

and so I think that would actually take incredibility. Look

at that though. Look at how thick that slab is.

That is That's.

Speaker 4: What I'm saying, dude, that's impressive craftsmanship. That is not

just a fly by night digging a hole on after

any type of deal.

Speaker 3: So a standard slab on a building that size is

going to be four to five inches thick eight, I

believe the actual measurements like forty six.

Speaker 4: Get the fuck out of here, dude, dude.

Speaker 5: That's how I mean something to tell without without seeing

something else next to it for context society.

Speaker 4: That's huge, dude, right most four feet of concrete dude.

Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like I said, I'm pretty sure that's what

this was meant for.

Speaker 4: That this Uh, you ain't gonna hear a ship out

of four feet of concrete. Dude.

Speaker 3: No, no, that that's practically a bunker. Which I'm pretty

sure that's bunker what they.

Speaker 4: Used, right, pretty.

Speaker 3: Sure that's the excuse they would would have used.

Speaker 4: You know that.

Speaker 5: Well, you got to think at a time there was

a lot of was in America building bunkers of this

kind of nature. So they probably could have gotten away

with doing that ship too, just construction was right. They

may have had to officially call it a bunker. They're

just telling me, oh, no, this is our bunker, you know,

and no one would have.

Speaker 3: Asked questions, right, I mean this this is the you know,

early sixties, still in the middle of the Cold War.

Speaker 5: So oh for sure, all the kids are cond doing

their other under the desk rituals in school.

Speaker 4: Well, Hubert Hubert Taft Junior, I believe it was his name.

Speaker 5: He's a major figure, is the progenitor of figures in

the Seattle grun scene, like Doubley Taft who's a major figure,

and some of his friends from his private school are

also in the grunge scene as well as grunge rock acts.

But that dude is Dudley Taft Junior's grandfather. He was

the lead singer of Sweetwater. They opened up for Candlebox

and Soundgarden on National Tourists.

Speaker 4: Yeah, they were, they were, They were a major act.

Speaker 5: But I think he's so the official videographer of the

Grune scene as a Taft. And then you have this

taft on kind of the operational side, right, kind of

wheeling and dealing, if you will. But his grandfather, the

owner of Taft Broadcasting, who at one point in time

employed David Grohl's.

Speaker 4: Father strangely enough, weird.

Speaker 5: Yeah, the Taft zone Taft Broadcasting in the Scripts Corporation

at E W Scripts Journalist Corporation out of Cincinnati, which

employed Dave Grohl's father for a period of time. So

you see those crossovers there. But Hubert Taft, I think

it was in Hubert. He dies in a bunker. His

bunker blew up. He was in his bunker in Indian Hill, Ohio.

The Wealthy, uh Wealth one of the wealthy zip codes

in America. It's a mound private zip code within the

city of Cincinnati, right, and that's where all the wealthy

folks live from. Numerous corporations like Procter and Gamble Et cetera.

Carl Linda thirty three freemason.

Speaker 4: That kind of deal. He blew up in his bunker, dude,

that was fifty seven, dude, it just blew up. No

big deal, My bunker blows up. That's the bunker's supposed

to protect you from an explosion. You don't get your

bunker and then the ship blows up, you know what

I mean? Like, that's that's not how shit works. Man.

No one asked questions back then even about that.

Speaker 5: So no one's gonna ask questions about them building a

bunker if they're not asking about some billionaire taftued blowing.

Speaker 4: Up in his bunker, No kidding, bunker Like bunkers.

Speaker 5: Today are like that sounds suspect, But back then they're like, no,

it's just a it's a bunker, dude. Course he blew

up in his bunker. Like, wait a second, the bunkers

must have protected from the explosion.

Speaker 3: So I found this on the back end. I thought

this was kind of interesting. Uh, it seems to be

a little bit older, but it's thirty years later. Key

figures reflect on mc martin preschool case. Let's see all

majors CBS of course at CBS.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 3: See, perhaps it started as a misreading of innocent of

an innocent act.

Speaker 4: Bullshit typical, right, Okay, caught the initial prosecutor from his

press conference memory cites child pornography is bringing root cause

of this abuse.

Speaker 3: Right well, and they they never talk about how the

jury that none of the jury argued that the children

were abused, none of them like they they argued about

other things, which is what led to them being deadlocked

for I think a couple of weeks.

Speaker 5: Again, when you have a process in charge of the

entire prosecution, what do you expect?

Speaker 4: Right? Let's see, Ira Ryner represented one of the the

was it Leslie van Hooton I believe and the Manson

girl murders there and seventy And when he got he

came on he's heard a second defense counsel, and and

Manson even said in the hearing like that, yeah, that's

my personal friend.

Speaker 3: My god, this is fucking disgusting. Right here, Davis did

say about his client Ray Bucky quote, he was singlely

the most heroic client I have ever defended, not only

because he was in but he endured it with a

quiet wisdom.

Speaker 4: Go yeah, it was.

Speaker 5: Probably a probably a fellow Nazi making the statement, you

know what I mean? They're going to recognize their un

no kidding white power hero right there.

Speaker 3: No kidding, man, that the coverage of this is so

disgusting to me.

Speaker 5: La is a Nazi stronghold, So I can see where

the Nazi satanis is interact, canclap with him in a

happy environment. For example, La County School District, Public School

District school Teacher of the Year I think was ninety

three and ninety four, the son of an SS officer.

Speaker 3: Interesting, it's America, folks to America, right, so it says here,

So this was back in twenty fourteen. It says CBS

two attempted to reach Ray Bucky for comment but was

unable to locate him.

Speaker 5: Yeah, that's they check a Golden Corral buffet. That fat

bastards probably eating something.

Speaker 3: So oh that's fucking funny.

Speaker 4: No, No, that's a great point though, dude. You bring

up an excellent points there that we need to find

out where Ray Bucky has said he's up an age

that he's very likely still alive based upon average advertisation.

And that's one on mortality.

Speaker 3: It's always the shittiest people that live the longest, too,

So you.

Speaker 5: Figure Cardiovascar disease and diabetes would be his enemy. But

we'll find out.

Speaker 3: Let's see where this goes, right, Yeah, I think that

would be a hell of fun game to play. Uh,

you know, where are these people now?

Speaker 4: Next time we convene on these matters of devil shit?

So we'll have to well you you can take some names,

will take some names, will play a game of where

are they now? Fucking Satanists of Yesteryear? Because we know

where some of them are, not some of the known notes.

I don't know where Blanche Barton is right now. Diane Haggerty,

Ted's old side piece and Anton Leavay's first wife, founder

of the Church of Satan.

Speaker 5: She she's now deceased. She got a few years back.

Golf golf got her. But I don't know where dying.

I don't know where Blanche Barton is, the second wife

of Levy. I think I believe she's still with us,

I want to say, I mean on this earth.

Speaker 3: Right, I mean it wouldn't surprise me definitely.

Speaker 5: Well here's one that kind of surprised me, sir. When

we will to talk about Satanis of Yesterdyear? Where are

they now? You know, I know where Forrest j ackerman Is.

He was an original member of the Agape Lodge of

the Oto with Parsons and Hubbard. Where's also their science

fiction Writers Club leader and their editor and agents for

sci fi. He represented basically every sci fi writing to

think of, including Ray Bradbury.

Speaker 4: Right. Ray Bradbury's fore mother was one of the witches

in the Salem witch trial. That's weird.

Speaker 3: That's a fucking weird connection.

Speaker 4: Wow, so many connections back to the Salem witch trial.

Speaker 5: Jack Parsons Mary Bliss part was an accused, of which

his fore mother, Josseah Smith's grandfather was an accuser.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 5: Bill Colby's grand forefather Kolbe, was involved in as a

witness in the sand withst trials.

Speaker 4: Go fuck yourself.

Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. What what's your read on

Noren Gosh? Like, do you do you think she's like legitimate?

Do you think she's like suspicious?

Speaker 4: I suspecially lost her mind a long time ago exactly,

which is.

Speaker 3: Probably her her losing Johnny like really just screwed her up.

Speaker 5: And then I think, yeah, I think I think that

story where she said he came back later and knocked

on her front door, like midnight one night and talked

her for five minutes. I think that's a legit thing. Right, Ultimately,

broker broke broke a brainhole.

Speaker 3: God, I could only imagine. I mean, I I kind

of pull into question some of the later stuff, you know,

But I mean I I can only imagine how terrible

that would have been. So I bet that would have brokeer.

Speaker 4: Where's Paul Bonacci today.

Speaker 3: Right, that's a good question.

Speaker 5: His mother, his mother's a member. His mother's his maternal

grandfather appears to be a member of the secret society

that started in America, the Society of Cincinnati. His stepfather

was an Anderson. He may in fact be a member

of that of that wing of the Society of Cincinnati.

They're one of the most prominent families. The Society's headquarters

in DC is named the Anderson wild House after the

Anderson family. Right, he was the president general of that

society back in the thirties when they established that headquarters.

Speaker 4: My point there is, why do we have the Society Cincinnati?

Speaker 5: Families had all these high profile, kind of largely satanic situations,

whether it's the ritual abuse or the murder or the murders.

Because that Anderson boy that was John Wayne Gacy's victim,

was Paul Bonacci's stepbrother and also very potentially was in

line to be a hereditary member of the Society of Cincinnati.

Anderson died at the age of sixteen, much like the

unborn baby and Sharon Tate's belly. Lieutenant Colonel Paul Tait

us Army Intelligence, her father, who appeared to be a

member of hereditary member of the secret society that started

in America, passed down in the paternal blood lines from

Lieutenant Jesse Tate of the Virginia Chapter, his second great grandfather.

That young boy was the next There's been never been

another male descendant of Paulitait other than that young boy

that died in charity.

Speaker 3: How old would uh wait, no, this, this wouldn't be him.

Uh well, actually how old would Paul Bonacci be?

Speaker 4: I would say approximately fifty six years old.

Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, this this isn't him. I found an

obituary for a Lewis Paul Bonacci.

Speaker 5: You know, and sometimes you know, where's Michael Wakonda shooto today?

He did a lot of coll and tel probactivities into

these into these networks, right.

Speaker 3: Well, and hate Nash still out of prison, right, he's been.

Speaker 4: Out of prison, but I can't find them up.

Speaker 3: It right, fucking hanging low. Yeah, I don't know that.

Speaker 5: There's Errol Morris related filmmakers there that did the Octopus

film and made Castle look like a real dick if

you asked me, kind of like Kelly Frank or how

kind of like cal Zieman did with with Marian Terry,

made him trying to look like a real dick. You know,

the whole last episode, Guy's a drunken asshole, basically wasted

his life.

Speaker 4: That was like the whole episode of that Son of

Sam stuff, the last one.

Speaker 5: But my point there is allegedly those Cia Errol Morris

related filmmakers. I say Eron Morris because he's connected all

the same Epstein and Satan shit too. We're finding out

he's in the Epstein stuff I believe as well, and

he's definitely really had all the Satan devil shits. But

there they allegedly know where he's at. It's almost like

they're hit like keeping a keeping a finger on or something,

keeping a thumb on. We're kind of shooting sure and

got get out of order, right if they're telling the

truth if they do know where he's at.

Speaker 3: Today, right, Well, I know Lawrence King was spotted I

think North Carolina. I know somewhere somewhere over on the

East coast. He was spotted at a uh where where

was it, like a farmer's market or something just like.

Speaker 4: That amal on Nebraska.

Speaker 3: He was at a picnic, right, That's what it was.

Speaker 5: And Nick Brian, Nick Bryan stocks him, which I do

appreciate that fact, because every once in a while you'll

see on Nick Bryan's TwixT her timeline to pop up

and an update about Larry King trying to do something

with kids in some organizations. Somewhere in Virginia, he was

working at a wealthy uh a luxury car dealership and

just just down the road from CIA headquarters there in

northern Virginia.

Speaker 4: One of the name Larry King. Strangely enough, you think

that muppet would have changed his.

Speaker 3: Name, right right, I would have you know, that's that's

just crazy.

Speaker 4: So he lost judgments against against victims for the civil

judgments of diddling diddling them. You know, I don't think

he's ever paid those judgments either, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5: Like you figured he changed his name to avoid some

of the some of the some of the judgments. Yeah something,

no kidding, he must not.

Speaker 4: He must not have a been concerned about that. He

must have known he had top cover, see.

Speaker 3: What I'm saying, right exactly or something?

Speaker 4: If you're protected, right, that's true.

Speaker 3: And it does kind of seem like he's out in

the open, you know, if if he's allowing himself.

Speaker 4: To the name Larry fucking king dude, I mean, I mean,

you go into the cardioalership, you don't even heard about that.

I'm I'll look up this fucking guy. He seems kind

of creepy, like, holy shit, he deal with the kids

for the fucking government, you know what I mean? Like

what the fuck right?

Speaker 3: Like walking around the White House with uh little kids?

Speaker 4: You know? Right? Was that eighty seven too? Right?

Speaker 5: So we can start when you start painting all these

things out on a map, chronologically speaking, you see this

network got amahol in eighty seven, and a Keynoe pops

up in that network, and you see him in the

precidy of eighty seven. You see that country day walk

case out of Miami afforded with the butcher of Waco

in eighty seven, right, he's sevent eighty eight time frame

there kicks off. I'm just saying, like, you know, it

starts to make a lot more sense, and this ship's

popping off all across America. Then you can better understand

not only the propaganda campaign, but the different phases because

we get the landing report in nineteen ninety two for

a reason, you know what.

Speaker 3: I mean, which is also at the very height of

the brand new and fresh false memory syndrome foundation in

ninety two, because by ninety two they are officially established

and out there pushing their propaganda by that point, so for.

Speaker 5: Sure, and they team up together too, right, And facts

like laser tag Ted's pushing it Rightracy Twiament's pushing them right.

Speaker 4: This is That's what I'm saying. We can see the evolutions

of the Nazi Satanist propagandas because for example, Tracy Twybot

did everything laser tag Ted did right, literally the same positions,

the same activities. She was the next generation, right, you know,

I do think.

Speaker 3: You know, Laser Ted Ted, he did get the credibility

because back then, I mean, people still had faith in

the FBI. Sure, very clearly they don't now in North

should they, And they shouldn't have backed then.

Speaker 4: They shouldn't have been either. Yeah, they shouldn't have back

then either, do I didn't.

Speaker 5: I started getting recruited the FBI when I was thirteen

to my aunt was ahead of their forensics lab, and

she was trying. So she's always getting me, you know,

all these forensics books and DNA and fucking fingerprints and

you name it, forensic sciences, and I was. I was

clearly being raised to be a federal law enforcement I was,

so I just took those on my own terms and

decided I'd do that in the Air Force. Nonetheless, I

was being raised to be an FBI agent and groomed

and groomed as such. And I got a falling out

with her at the age of fifteen because I thought, oh,

I said, thirteen to fifteen, I'm starting to learn about

the FBI. I'll authored books my own research and the

library and shicks. I'm like, these people seem like a

lot of muppets that I'm learning about, right, And I

said something to her. She's like, you know, next time

my seniors has given me some books, She's like, I'm like, oh,

that Jay or Hoover guy's a real dick. Nope, nope,

not an FBI is not He's a fucking guy the FBI.

Speaker 3: That's so crazy. I mean, why why worship worship a

cross dresser?

Speaker 5: You know, not only that she was in her first

eight years in the FBI, she worked thirty two years.

In her first eight years, she was a secretary because

Hoover would not let women become agents. So I thought, well,

she's gonna be on board with this opinion, regardless of

what her political stance on the Constitution, because my issue

was learning about Cohen Telpro at that age, I'm like,

what the fuck?

Speaker 4: You know what I mean, that's uh, what is going

on here? You know what I mean? Like trying to

like I didn't have the I didn't have the quite

understanding your ability to contextualize that, but I knew it

wasn't good.

Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, that's man. So I kind of want to, well,

I want to get your opinion on this, like, where

where do you think all of the satanic panic stuff

is heading now? Because clearly they are not done with it.

Clearly we're not done with it, and I mean it's

kind of flared up again with all the Epstein stuff.

So where where's it heading.

Speaker 4: I think we've officially interfaced by Sir fase five.

Speaker 5: I'm getting real panic. We've been panning for forty six years,

every year of my life basically here.

Speaker 4: Technically, the initial Satanic panic was July fifteenth, nineteen seventy

five with Mike Warnkey of Denver, Colorado newspaper, where they

first use the word satannic panic.

Speaker 5: And cattle mutilations were also in that same article. Strangely enough,

those topics are not far apart, right, But then we

hit Michelle Remembers in nineteen eighty, right, we actually get

between seventy eight and eighty we see the evolutions of

that propaganda, right, And we see in seventy eight John

Wayne Gacy's childhood friend and fellow Boy Scout Troup member

Robert Wrestler of the Federal Bureau of on Investigations Behavioral

Analyst Unit. They like to analyst a lot of things

over there, but he's the one who gives us the

term serial killer.

Speaker 4: In nineteen seventy eight, we get Michelle Remembers the book.

That book in seventy eight and eighty.

Speaker 5: I think that's limited hangout controlled opposition nonsense from the

onset and we see how it's played out. So there

was previous to the McMartin scandal in eighty four, right

when that pops off, right eighty four, we have in Bakersfield, California,

not far from Los Angeles, about one hundred and fifty miles,

we have another scandal. And it was popping off as

early as seventy nine as the complaints go, right, but

it hits the service in eighty three. It has the

hallmark of a mupp and Mikey operation, if you ask me,

although there's no direct reports of that that I've been

able to find. I'm just going off of the mode

of operations. However, they used Michelle remembers in nineteen eighty

published in eighty to discredit claims that the surface in

eighty three, but date back to seventy eight and seventy nine.

So you can see how the reason why they're using

these new propagame in this evolution as well.

Speaker 4: They're forced to. They got to put a lid on

some shit.

Speaker 5: And they're going to do that by saying, oh, well,

the psychiatrist here in Bakersfield, California, in October of eighty three,

they just read they just read.

Speaker 4: This book, and that's all that happened.

Speaker 5: They just think that this book is real, you know, right,

and then that was that was like So it's it's

very complex because that's one way the propaganda is sold.

Speaker 4: Right. But then Ira Ryaner hires Lauren's fucking muppet and

his wife from Michelle remembers there Michelle Lord was it

Lawrence Passer pastor and and they hire them as experts

in the McMartin trial for the prosecution.

Speaker 3: Experts.

Speaker 5: Right, So you have one you have the Bakersfield folks

saying that no, these people are it's bullshit because these

psychiatrists and these kids locally just.

Speaker 4: Read this book.

Speaker 5: And then you know, six months later these people are

fucking experts and a prosecution for la County and neighbor

you know, nearby county. Right, they'll pick there's no there's

no rhyme. They'll mold it to wherever they want to

mold the propaganda. We see that next evolution the Landing report. There,

we see I think after that around two thousand and

eight with the Trump more so the Twiman affairs. And

now we'ren'ting in a new age because you can look

to see what she got herself in Q and on Pizzagate,

all these things. So they're all being wrapped up as

the new as the new Satanic painty. But she was

laying the roundwork for a lot of that ship. She

even started around on right.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 3: Well, and you you also have that uh what what's

her name, the crazy Trump lawyer, all of them, Yeah,

fair enough, right, Uh, the one she had access to

Anthony Wiener's laptop, the one about the the election fraud

that like, yeah, really gave him a bad bad name.

Speaker 4: Not Lynn would because he was their nut job. He

was working with her.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see, I can see her ugly stupid face. Yeah,

I can't remember what her name is, but she's she's

not helped with any of this, you know, with with

any of the uh Satanic panics stuff, especially Sidney Powell. Yes, yeah,

she's clearly a muppet. I mean used to discredit.

Speaker 4: Though, doesn't she for a muppet.

Speaker 3: She does some good interference, she she really does, and

she she sounds believable enough to people on one side

and then to the opposite side she's crazy. So she's

like this perfect model for this because there's I've seen

people still believe the things that she says.

Speaker 5: You know, and people think Ted Gunderson found the fucking

tunnels because he put his resume on the McMartin to

report from the UCLA archaeological team that he had nothing

to do with and did everything he could have shitcoated

it with his parents and shovels in the La Times.

But today you can find on Ted Gunderson, doesn't it

in the fucking McMartin preschool Scientific report. Before you get

to the report, from the cover page, you'll find Ted

fucking laser tag Ted's.

Speaker 3: Resume, right, Which, what the hell is that?

Speaker 4: Why is that relevant? Right? You know? Right?

Speaker 3: Yeah? And like like I said, I think he was

leaning on this whole, Like, oh, I was in the FBI,

so you can trust.

Speaker 5: Whatever it was landing on had a lot of support

because he's a fat bastards. They died of he died

of arsenic poisoning. I tracked down the source of that

of that rumor, a Knight of Malta.

Speaker 3: Really, the Knights of Malta.

Speaker 5: Yeah, literally a doctor, he's a medical doctor, but he's

an official Night of Malta.

Speaker 4: I confirmed it and he's the one who started that rumor.

Speaker 3: That's wild, Like that that makes the whole thing that

that's definitely shit coded. I I don't believe that one bit.

Speaker 5: Did you never take Gunderson's originally from Omaha, Nebraska?

Speaker 3: Really? Is that where he grew up?

Speaker 4: Or was that he in Minnesota but he was born

or they vice versa.

Speaker 5: They lived there for a period of time in his childhood,

but here, and I think he might have been living

back there when he wrote this is the Story of

Hell Always or take tickets in the FBI, he writes,

he's twenty two or twenty three years old.

Speaker 4: You have to be twenty five, I think at the

time to be an FBI agent. He writes. Jagger Hoover

letters says, I really want to be an FBI agent.

Slash your power bottom? Will you please hire me?

Speaker 5: And Jagger Hoover's like, yeah, dude, Draw my personal staff

is the youngest FBI agent in history.

Speaker 4: His first job was Jagger. He was personal staff. The whole,

the whole story is out here.

Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here. That's so crazy.

Speaker 4: He's the one who vetted all the White House employees

for the Lyndon Johnson administration in the wake of Kennedy's

death right. He did all. And when I say vetted him,

one of the people that he vets goes on to

be to run Hollywood for the next forty years, a

prominent part of the game offie, if you will, and

William s Burrow's style, right, and Johns's assistant.

Speaker 3: Hollywood is just an extension at the CIA and FBI.

Speaker 4: Right.

Speaker 5: Well, this that's there, you goes, sir, that's my point.

So this muppet is in charge of the MPAA. If

you look at Eddie Oscars or anything else, they washed

his dude's balls in every performance. I can't think of

his name right now. It's escaping my brain hole. But

he was out there for like forty years. He was

lending Johnson's right hand man. And the famous photo on

Air Force one where Johnson's getting sworn in, you can

see this mumpet over there smiling to his right.

Speaker 3: Right standing behind Jackie.

Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's a different guy. He's winking too, but

there this month and I'm talking about in that photograph smiling, right,

And we'll come back to me in a second.

Speaker 4: But yeah, so you know, this is one of the

guys that Ted vetts for security clearance into the White

House and then a few months later, he then leaves

and goes to Hollywood. Isn't in the NBA. It runs

the NPA for like the next forty years.

Speaker 3: Right, interesting, Oh my god, this.

Speaker 4: That's connected from a very early age man some weird networks. Right.

Speaker 5: So by the time he comes out in nineteen eighty

and this is he literally repeated the same telemarketing Michael

Akeena had the Nazi Satanist telemarketing script, right, that had

his telemarketing script, and it always started off with I

don't know anything about Satanism, Satanism. I only know nothing about Satanism.

He said that at every fucking speech. Dude, he said.

That's that's how he got introduced. Because he retires from

the FBI and people were talking about Satanism. He's like,

I don't think about Satism. Get the fuck out of here, Ted,

that's not believable at all. I can demonstrally prove that.

Now back to seventy four when he's making statements about

it as a pr rep for the FBI.

Speaker 3: Oh, that's so weird.

Speaker 5: So, I mean, his whole narrative from from moment one

was a lie. Right not to mention what he did

in the McDonald case, right, which.

Speaker 4: Was Efference Right.

Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like his big claim to fame that got

him like on the scene. And apparently he was like

what was wasn't he like directly asked to be on

that case or like somebody reached out to him to

be like, hey, look at this.

Speaker 5: Or supposedly he was hired as a private investigation agency

by Jeffer McDonald's defense attorney. However, that defense attorney that

suddenly gets fired, I believe, is how the story goes,

and he gets I don't know the exact machinations. If

I remember correctly, it is come nineteen eighties, this is

this is so they've already tried the military court. United

US Court of Military Justice tries Captain McDonald for the

murder of his family back in seventy for Bragg. He

gets clear to he he gets acquitted, they charge him

again in a federal court. First and foremost, that's double jeopardy. Secondly,

he's you know, he's already been quitted for those exact

same crimes and in a court you know, it's no different.

I mean, the US m J courts no different than

a federal court as far as jurisdiction goes. The weight

of that that you you can not You could argue.

What I'm saying is you could argue maybe at a

state level, they could do it. At a federal level,

there is an argument there in certain respects, not at journey.

I'm I'm not the vice president, but I'm just letting

you know what my my understanding of these matters are

in the career law enforcement, in in the in my

understandings of the Constitution and things like double jeopardy and

about people's rights in these in these matters, Jeffery McDonald's

been violated up left, right and center. But when laser

tach Ted comes around, he seems to hire Alan Dershowitz,

you know, Jeffrey Epstein's buddy, and then for the for

the appeal. Right, this is, he doesn't because Ted's brought

in for the investigation for the appeal, He's already been

He's already been convicted by Ted by the time Ted

gets around, right, he gets convicted right in retrial anyway,

So Ted's involved in the appeal process for him, right

the investigation there, so you get Alan Derschwitz. Alan Derschwitz

then hires b C. C. I. I ran cons from

money launder and go fuck yourself far and you're Athlee Bailey,

right o. J Simpsons weren't all James Simpson's attorney later

as well, strangely enough, part of his nightmare team.

Speaker 4: But and then the.

Speaker 5: Third attorney, Ted seem they I think Ted gets them

involved directly. I can't on proof of it, but I

also don't have to prove that Dershowitz or fucking athlete

Bailey invited him on the team. The third member that

joins Jeffer McDonald's captain US Special Forces Jeffer McDonald's appeals team,

John Markham the third the Process Church's literal member.

Speaker 4: And holy shit, so Ted c have been.

Speaker 5: On effort to make sure old Captain Jeffer McDonald never

got out of prison where he sits today in federal

lock up in Cumberland, Maryland, of his own family. He

also got stabbed in that attack. Now interesting enough, he

was at the John John F.

Speaker 4: Kenny School of Special Forces Warfare there at Fort Bragg

at the very same time where Jeffery McDonald was with

Mike No shit, same time, same place, same nightmare Nazi

Satanist channel.

Speaker 3: Of course, of course, man, it just it seems like well,

like you said, all of these people know each other,

they're all connected. And I mean it's the six degrees

of Kevin Bacon, and in fact it's probably less than

six degrees, you know, anywhere from two to four. It's

like these people are just everywhere.

Speaker 5: Dude at Sanders was right. And when I was looking

at his archive there at Princeton, I literally laughed out

loud at the scribble note he had on one in

front of one of his folders. He scribbled the process

people were everywhere, and I just fucking lost it because

he's right first and foremost.

Speaker 4: But I also thought it was hilarious.

Speaker 3: Right, let's see, there's something one thing I wanted to

bring up, uh, something that came across my feed earlier. Uh,

something out of the World Economic Forum, which I thought

this was kind of interesting, kind of.

Speaker 4: The I know, a spell ser was called the WEF.

Speaker 3: So allegedly the WEF is now openly discussing the use

of torture and the implementation of false memories as methods

of mind control.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure that's not a violation of the Geneva

Convention or anything. We should know that definitely not.

Speaker 3: And I just found I found this kind of interesting

because the way they describe it in the clip is

that this is like new right, And I'm not saying

it's not, but that the very fact, the way that

they frame this, that the whole false memory thing is

new which I think the way they're discussing it it

is because you can't implant a false memory like you

can trick somebody, you can lie to somebody, but you

can't make somebody believe something is a memory that is

not a memory. That's just not how the brain works.

Speaker 5: But for you and I it's new right. But for the

the Muppets, they're selling it too. It's they're selling it

as if it is to convince them it isn't he right.

Speaker 4: Like I'm sure that's right at least part of the propaganda.

Speaker 7: As well Victid and their belief And so you know,

it's Jack's point about using some of the lie detection technology,

particularly for eyewitnesses. Not only can we put information in

without blowing up your brain, we can put it in

and then you can believe it so sincerely that the

problem is you can testify to that effect. And in fact,

we've seen this in a number of ways. The police

were doing lineups where the suggestibility of the information was

so strong that people would later identify a person that

they'd seen. You know, for example, you show a picture

lineup and only one person has on a jacket and

nobody else does. And then when you go to the

live lineup, because your brain triggered that there was something

different about that person, you identify the person who you've

just seen, but not realizing that it's because of some difference.

Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just describing lying I'm making.

Speaker 4: She's just talking, just to talking at that point, you.

Speaker 3: Right, I mean, this is just basic deception. This isn't

a false memory, you know, Like this is like the

word games that they like to play. They're all musicians,

as saying that they're all musicians, and so they they

definitely like to play these word games with people.

Speaker 4: What do you mean, I do magic? No?

Speaker 3: No, no, do music?

Speaker 7: And then you've seen them twice and now you're asked

to witness, and you're so convicted about having seeing that

person commit the crime, even though that person's utterly innocent, uh,

that it becomes a planted memory. And so there's some

really interesting research that we get a plant memories in

the brain and in a different context. One of the

emerging areas that's really interesting in law neer sciences pain detection.

And once we understand the circuit trees that cause pain,

I guess the question is could we then instill pain

and use that in many coercive measures.

Speaker 4: Against Do you want to add? I think? Right?

Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was just incredibly strange, especially the

fact that they're just openly talking about this.

Speaker 4: Oh dude, it's they love.

Speaker 5: These Nazi Satanist fuckers love to brag, you know, these muppets.

So I do appreciate that because otherwise I wouldn't know

a lot about their ship. It's an egotistical driven nature

about themselves, right, So that much I do salute them.

I don't like their activities, but I'm glad they They're

glad they explained to me in great detail of fucking

muppets kid.

Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, get out your cranon.

Speaker 5: I we're gonna get real tarted about life and tell

you exactly our machinations of evil.

Speaker 4: I'm all right, well, I'll get my crayon now, thanks buddy. Yeah.

Speaker 3: Well, and this this is what's frustrating to me, though,

is even to this day, people still denying that this

stuff happens, that it exists, that it affects us. Like

you can show people right and they'll just deny it

and they'll just be like no, it's like.

Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean just look at the eighty seven

Heraldo special rights.

Speaker 5: So they go on there, they have they have numerous

law enforcement folks, they show the evidence of numerous things.

Speaker 4: They get moretary on their showing evidence.

Speaker 5: I'm not talking about laser tagged ted mupping Mikey's performances,

everyone else on that show. And then they go on

after that show and saying at nauseum that Michael Lakino

mupping Mikey's Nazi satan it's still a marketing screen which

must get disseminated because he repeated it nauseum in that show.

Then he repeats it in nauseum in subsequent interviews, and

then to that email exchange to Dave mcgallan in August

two thousand and one, and numerous podcast interviews after two

thousand and one, all we saying the same thing. All

these other propagandas repeat that same script. Oh you believe

in McMartin tunnels, you must be a fucking moron. Oh,

you think there was Satanists killing folks and raping your kids,

You clearly didn't read the Landing report. So it's the

same script, right, and we see the machinations of that

in the Heraldo Show. Were really erupts from that because

they show evidence, They show all sorts of evidens yet

detectives saying this is Satanism. These are the bodies we found,

for example, being the butcher of Kansas City's backyard there,

et cetera. They got some politicians on they're saying, of

course the Satanism people in the Bible Belt don't want

to hear about that, and that's true, right. But what

I'm saying is we see the evidence there. It's part

of the magic show, not the magicians.

Speaker 4: Or the music show. The magic show.

Speaker 5: They show you the evidence and then they give on

this propaganda campaign SIPs to mind more style, using every

form of technology possible to repeat the same false narrative

to you until in your brain oil you're like, shit,

that must be real. And that's kind of what you're

describing with what this false memory nonsense is.

Speaker 3: Right, I mean, just so this this is what we'll

wrap up on right here. But so this This is

a story from the New York Times, just out of

I think, yeah to March thirty first, twenty twenty one,

and I mean right here, just this paragraph. Early in

the nineteen eighties, baseless conspiracy theories about cults committing mass

child abuse spread around the country. I wonder why that happened, though,

you know, like, oh I don't know this.

Speaker 5: Yeah, Nazi sting. It's tell marketing script right here, right,

this is it. Two paragraphs down. You got the Ken

Lanning comment. Right, they go through each step there then

like and now it is now it's like, oh, you

believe in QAnon? You're a fucking idiot. Now you oh

you believe you believe in Pizzagate comment? You believe think

comment Pizza had a basement? Well, yeah so I because

the owner of which, James aliphontis, you know, the guy

that was on the Diners, Drive Ins and Dives with Guy.

Speaker 4: Fury of that episode. Yeah, he says he's got a basement,

you know what I mean?

Speaker 3: Right, right, it's just.

Speaker 4: You can stop propaganda.

Speaker 5: They just keep piling it on the right like that

is we're entering in this phase five now right, Officially,

I think with this everything's quean on pizza against Satanic panic,

anything relative to these kind of subjects, right if it

even in Burr's kid editling, regardless of a Satannia arriety

or not, because all bed there's people that I'm sure

little kids have nothing to do with Satanism, right, I'm

not familiar with it, and off the top of my head,

I'm sure there are cases of that, right, no doubt.

Speaker 4: In my mind.

Speaker 5: I mean, family has been dealing their own kids and

within families for years. I'm not I'm saying not every

family that deals kids is a Satanism shit or organized

or corporate style ship like Epstein. But what I am

saying is that we can see why. You know, any

inference of that is now you're a conspiracy theorist. You

believe in pizzagate and queuing on and fucking they had

a basement, dude, there's no basement of kind of pizza

the guy stores thirty thousand tomatoes there every year. Yeah,

there's no basement there at all, or thirty thirty tons

of tomatoes or some dumb shit. It's a big basement, dude,

speak about a big slab of concrete.

Speaker 4: That's a big fucking basement, right exactly.

Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if their foundation didn't look the

exact same. But hey, JJ, everyone remember where they can

find you.

Speaker 4: Oh yes, sir, I appreciate your time thoughts.

Speaker 3: And let people know where they can find you.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 5: If we remember the family pizza restaurant of Comet Pizza

and Ping Pong there in Washington, d C. And by

one of DC's most prominent powerful men in Top fifty.

Speaker 4: In fact, they named him in one of the magazines there.

Speaker 5: Uh he you know, friends with Tony Podesta and John

Podesta celebrates his birthdays with Tony Podesta. They have a

lot of pizza parties together. It's weird anyway, in that

basement during the time of Pizzagain. I'm old enough to

remember when the house banned sex stands literally their name

talk who sang songs about pat apeel you and had

the same peto symbols of the spirals and shit in

their artwork and music videos. I'm old to remember when

they had concerts in the basement of Comt Pizza talking

about Jared Fogel from Subway and all laughing about kid ddling.

Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I remember those.

Speaker 5: This is an extensive fucking network. And that wouldn't surprise

me if those slabs there, because then you know, no

one's hearing shit from down there underneath those buildings, right.

Speaker 4: And it was that whole block exactly, dude, That's what

I'm saying.

Speaker 5: And it was that whole block where you had some

interconnective nature of the basements there because next door to

Comet Pizza was Bucks Hunting and Fishing, and that's also

James Alfonsi's restaurant. In order to access the basement of

Comet Pizza, you have to do it through bucks Hunting

and Fishing. I don't know that because I worked there.

I know that because he gave an interview describing these

details in twenty fifteen, right right in a local Washington

DC magazine. And then two doors down from that, you

had a place called Best of Pizza. They literally changed

their logo at the time all that shit was popping

off in twenty seventeen because everyone.

Speaker 4: Saw the oh that's a that's a dealer logo.

Speaker 5: You have the spiral and the pizza right there, and

literally next week they're like, no, we changed it, not there,

not not us.

Speaker 3: Yeah, memory hole.

Speaker 5: Yeah, So this shit's extensive here, there's a there's a

there's a large network. And my last statement for I

tell you sure the folks that we can find some

more of them with this devil shit and other my activities,

but that Voodoo Donuts Universal Studios. They also talking about

trafficking locations, right, they're imports across the world. They're in

Los Angeles, Portland's New Orleans and Thailand, Bangkok, Thailand. We

have a donut shot Bangkok, Thailand. Right, donuts than the

major ports for trafficking. Right, these are major trafficking ports.

Speaker 4: Yeah, you need a.

Speaker 5: Doughnut and a child sized coffin and Thailand sometimes maybe

next time you're at Universal Studios, pick yourself up a

dozen in a child sized coffin a Voodoo Donuts who

uses the same pedo symbolism, and the child sized donuts

are served in the casket of the child sized casket.

Speaker 4: The donuts are served in one of their orders, like

one of the larger orders. That casket owner was on.

James alp Or, the guy who made them caskets was on.

He had an Instagram label I believe working on my

night Cheese on James Alphonsis's Instagram account and James Alifonts

is pictured in Dudes. I believe Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Region studio

where he made them coffins. So you have a direct

connection from Coin of Pizza all the way to the

fucking voodoo down it and they use the same fucking

symbolism because all these muppets know each.

Speaker 3: Other, right, that's so crazy, absolutely crazy. Well, I want

to thank you for coming on to another episode of

Rise to Liberty. Let everyone know where they can find you,

where they can pick up all the stuff you're doing.

Speaker 4: Other jj aka Jacob J.

Speaker 5: I appreciate your work here at Rise Liberty, appreciate the invite,

and always happy to talk devilshit with you, sir, and always.

Speaker 4: A good conversation.

Speaker 5: I appreciate you bringing some of these matters to my

brain hole, and hopefully I'm able to offer you some

of that exchange of these topics. I think it is

these collaborations that I find useful and understanding some of

these topics. Only discussing, but you know, understanding the different

perspective you're coming from from where I'm at.

Speaker 4: You know you didn't come from it from a law

perspective into these topics, right, analyzing legal fucking criminal cases

and shit. So obviously we're coming at it from twoffer approaches.

And I think that's evident when you're sharing some shit

with me and I'm sharing shit with you, that it's

not within your purview.

Speaker 5: And I appreciate your time and expertise and those things, Sir.

I say expertise, I meant like non expertise, Like I

like to quote John Keel, I'm an.

Speaker 4: Expert in nothing, yes, yes, but operation GCD Live.

Speaker 5: You can find me being an expert in nothing Sundays, Wednesdays, Thursdays,

and Fridays at nine thirty pm Eastern Standard Times. Even

though I now live in Mountain Standard times, for some reason,

I'm still stuck in quoting things Eastern Standard times. I'm

a bison rancher now stir. In fact, I got some

bison rancher duties to tend to. But I do appreciate

the conversation. I look forward to our next to next

time we can be on such matters of devil shit

and other parapolitics and highwardness.

Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, I mean we've we've got a new

game to play. Track some of these people down, and dude,

what these freaks are up to.

Speaker 4: You have no idea, how much I love the idea,

and how much I'm gonna love playing that game.

Speaker 3: Hell yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be great. So

uh JJ's down in the episode description and h for

anyone else. My link is also down there, the all

my links dot com slash rise to liberty, uh and

all all the stuff that's scrolling on the bottom of

the screen. So on that any parting words, if.

Speaker 5: I ever have one alibi, sir, I just wanted public

safety announcement, public service announcement.

Speaker 4: Support your local science store. You can share. You can

share that to support science folks. Thank you. Ja.

Speaker 5: Yeah, conversation, that guy wanted to be president. The guy

wanted to be president too bad. Now he's supporting his

local science store.

Speaker 4: So all right, sir, I look forward to our next

time we we convene on such matters and uh, yes, sir,

the invitpers of your time.

Speaker 3: Conversation yep, and uh until next time, uh, which will

be actually Wednesday, which we we will be doing another

Satanic Panic is Real episode Wednesday, five thirty pm Eastern

or five sorry, five thirty five thirty pm. Mountain seven

thirty pm Eastern. See now I'm getting my.

Speaker 4: Times on this.

Speaker 3: Yeah, But until next time, stay free, my friends,