Cardinals Cover 2 - Jeremiyah Love, Carson Beck Join Entire Rookie Class On The Field

Ep. 1007 - It was just the start, but no less important. For the first time since the draft, the rookie class, including first-round pick Jeremiyah Love, was on the field, wearing Cardinals gear and doing football-related activities. It wasn’t a full-blown practice, but it did represent the first time this group of players experienced life in the NFL. Their college days are no more. Craig Grialou and Zach Gershman discuss what they saw and, more importantly, what they heard both on and off the field during rookie minicamp; from Love describing how he plans to handle his life-changing money to Carson Beck and head coach Mike LaFleur talking about the importance of a quarterback’s cadence. Plus, we now know when the 2026 schedule will be released.

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Speaker 1: The rookies are here, first time in the building, first

Speaker 1: time on the field. God, Zach Gerstman, Whipenberg Gang, what

Speaker 1: we see, more importantly, what we hear from the twenty

Speaker 1: twenty sixth draft class. Plus this is the week the

Speaker 1: schedule is released. It's Cardinals Cover two and it starts now.

Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Right Up the five, hit the ends up for the

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Speaker 1: Drey McBride, He's been an absolute monster.

Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griolo.

Speaker 3: So there is.

Speaker 1: Great synergy, I believe, among the proteins here in Arizona.

Speaker 1: And I say that because I want to bring up

Speaker 1: something that was informed or at least acknowledged by the

Speaker 1: gentleman sitting across from me, and that would be young

Speaker 1: Zach Gershman, who revealed a certain record of his when

Speaker 1: attending Arizona Diamondbacks games. Unfortunately, this record doesn't translate to

Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. But it does, I think, say a

Speaker 1: lot about the synergy that we here in the Dignity

Speaker 1: Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center can bring to other teams.

Speaker 4: So I have attended eleven Arizona Diamondbacks games. My eleventh

Speaker 4: was this weekend, and I'm eleven to zero in attendance

Speaker 4: at Dbacks game.

Speaker 3: So I'm not saying.

Speaker 4: They need to give me season tickets, but if you do,

Speaker 4: you know I could help.

Speaker 1: You might just want to find your way to chase

Speaker 1: feel a little bit more often.

Speaker 3: Who is the kid that they just called up?

Speaker 4: Ryan Walsh Ryan Walshman, Oh, Cody, you know once again,

Speaker 4: team hit over here, Cody Fincher.

Speaker 3: I'll go in on some season tickets with you. It

Speaker 3: means we win somewhere.

Speaker 4: Look, all I'm saying is I know when I'm in

Speaker 4: attendance it's eleven and oh I'm not sure, Cody. What

Speaker 4: I do know, though, is you know, there was a

Speaker 4: lot of excitement around his first game, and I didn't

Speaker 4: even realize I was in attendance for his first game,

Speaker 4: or at least I think it was his first game,

Speaker 4: first start, first series, first start, and they really should

Speaker 4: have been excited about me. Walking into the building, because

Speaker 4: you know, at least when I walk in, they know

Speaker 4: it's going to be an automatic w put the duves

Speaker 4: in the air.

Speaker 1: You were walking in with what Diamondbacks gear or just

Speaker 1: no regular.

Speaker 4: Black shirt, white pants, h and an Arizona Cardinals hat

Speaker 4: representing try my best. I try to elevate the brand

Speaker 4: anywhere we can because I try to bring that synergy together.

Speaker 4: I want the Diamondbacks to fill the support from the

Speaker 4: Cardinals in as the representative and attendance. You're welcome eleven

Speaker 4: and oh that's a good record. We'll have to when

Speaker 4: the rookies go back to Chase Field and we'll have

Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love likely throwing out the first pitch. It's a

Speaker 4: kind of a yearly tradition for the rookies to go

Speaker 4: attend a Diamondbacks game and then that first round pick

Speaker 4: throws out that first pitch. I've seen back to back

Speaker 4: wins with that. So if I when I go again,

Speaker 4: whenever that game does take place, then the record will

Speaker 4: once again be tested.

Speaker 1: Okay, see, now the pressure is on now that we've

Speaker 1: officially acknowledged it's this pressure for me.

Speaker 3: It's got my team. Sorry about it, but.

Speaker 1: You want to maintain that, of course record.

Speaker 4: Of course, well, I mean, I just think it's cool

Speaker 4: that it's happened this long. I mean to I think

Speaker 4: I could have bought like a mini season ticket package

Speaker 4: and have been undefeated at that rate it is.

Speaker 1: It is pretty impressive. So we'll keep an eye on that.

Speaker 1: You bring up attendance and the rookies and this past

Speaker 1: weekend rookie mini camp.

Speaker 3: I like that transition, sir.

Speaker 1: Sixteen total players. There were seven draft picks, seven undrafted

Speaker 1: rookie and then two quote unquote veterans, if you will,

Speaker 1: wide receiver Tejon Palmer and tied end Rivoldo fairweather. So

Speaker 1: sixteen players, not a lot.

Speaker 3: It was one.

Speaker 1: It was good weather, eighty six degrees awesome on Friday,

Speaker 1: better than it was if today was the start of

Speaker 1: Rooking mini camp. Because I just checked Zack, it is

Speaker 1: ninety eight degrees here on a Monday before noon.

Speaker 3: That's not fun.

Speaker 1: No, it is not. We are inching closer and closer

Speaker 1: to where. Yeah, this is where it's not all that

Speaker 1: fun to be in Arizona.

Speaker 4: I walked to my car from practice on Friday, and

Speaker 4: even though it's said, you know, it was not that bad.

Speaker 4: We were also shaded and underneath the media tree. My

Speaker 4: car said it was in the low one hundreds, and

Speaker 4: I was like, man, this is hot as the heck.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it is summers in Arizona. You gotta get used

Speaker 1: to it. Even for those of us who have been

Speaker 1: here a long time still don't get used to it.

Speaker 1: But on Friday, inside of the Cardinals, the rookies were

Speaker 1: on the field Friday Well attended, Michael Bidwell was out there,

Speaker 1: Monty Austin Ford's a lot of the front office personnel

Speaker 1: and scouts. What we did see was not a whole

Speaker 1: heck of a lot, and I'll be honest with everyone.

Speaker 1: We saw a team stretch. We saw some position drills

Speaker 1: as far as guys working to be gunners, and then

Speaker 1: a lot of position drills. The rookies were spread out

Speaker 1: amongst their own position coaches. I believe the most at

Speaker 1: any one position, I think.

Speaker 3: Was two offensive line at three.

Speaker 1: Three, okay, offensive lineman there were three. But other than that,

Speaker 1: there was a lot of one on one time.

Speaker 4: Lots of it, especially when you look at Jeremiah Love

Speaker 4: on the far field and he was working with coach

Speaker 4: Matt Merritt. And then you looked at quarterback Carson Beck

Speaker 4: and he was working with the Daniel Hackett and Matt Chobb,

Speaker 4: Cam Robertson where it was working with Matt Feeney, the

Speaker 4: outside linebackers coach. So there was a lot of one

Speaker 4: on one attention and I think that's a good little

Speaker 4: smooth transition before they all get together on Monday and

Speaker 4: they all start practicing together.

Speaker 1: And that's what head coach Michael Laflor was mentioning that

Speaker 1: what we saw over the weekend that rookie minicamp was

Speaker 1: simply an extension of the class work and what you

Speaker 1: were being taught, told, instructed in your position room. Could

Speaker 1: you take it out onto the football field again, not

Speaker 1: at full speed, not even at half speed.

Speaker 2: But.

Speaker 1: Can you figure out what you're being told to do

Speaker 1: and do it with the instructions of one on one

Speaker 1: or one on two, one on three without having the

Speaker 1: entire team and everyone staring at you.

Speaker 4: Well, that's because he said once once it's go time,

Speaker 4: it's go time. You know, the veterans, they understand that

Speaker 4: they're all competing starting today or whenever they actually do

Speaker 4: get out on the field altogether, and they recognize, like

Speaker 4: you were here to put food on my plate, and

Speaker 4: I'm here to put food on yours. And we do

Speaker 4: that by making each other better. And we do that

Speaker 4: by winning some football games and making some money while

Speaker 4: doing it. And as a professional, you don't have time

Speaker 4: to slowly adjust your way into it because that impacts

Speaker 4: everybody else around you. So a lot of these rookies,

Speaker 4: I mean, from what we were able to see, they

Speaker 4: all come from big Power five institutions for the most part,

Speaker 4: unless you're Caleb Procter, who comes from the FCS level,

Speaker 4: but you already kind of have that level of professionalism.

Speaker 4: That's what NIL has done to a lot of these

Speaker 4: guys is they've turned them into professionals a little bit

Speaker 4: faster than they otherwise might have been. But it's a

Speaker 4: whole different ballgame when you start practicing and you were

Speaker 4: wearing the shield and the bird head on your helmet.

Speaker 4: So I do think it's going to be a little bit.

Speaker 3: Of a transition.

Speaker 4: But if you're a rookie, you can't make it seem like, man,

Speaker 4: I'm drowning right now, because you're going to have an

Speaker 4: All Pro player right next to you that's going to

Speaker 4: say we'll pick it up. We all got to do

Speaker 4: this together.

Speaker 1: A lot of the attention, a lot of people focused

Speaker 1: on Jeremiah Love Carson Beck. Unfortunately, where we were positioned

Speaker 1: on the practice fields was about as far away as

Speaker 1: possible that you could get practice fields, and watching what

Speaker 1: Jeremiah was doing, watching what Carson was doing, we did

Speaker 1: see them interact together. It was basically Carson Beck taking

Speaker 1: the snap under center, which he has experience with in college,

Speaker 1: but under center, working handoffs and then I thought was interesting.

Speaker 1: And then he would roll out almost like a play action,

Speaker 1: and a football would be tossed to him, and then

Speaker 1: Carson would take that football and throw it. So it

Speaker 1: was almost you're doing two different things in one drop back,

Speaker 1: which again you're utilizing the time that you have on

Speaker 1: the football field. And when you don't have a lot

Speaker 1: of bodies out there, what can you do to make

Speaker 1: it more efficient?

Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you had a lot of these routes,

Speaker 4: like a lot of these swing routes to Jeremiah Love,

Speaker 4: then they have to get turned into an open field

Speaker 4: running drill that Jeremiah has to do. How is he

Speaker 4: going to shake by defenders, try to make try to

Speaker 4: take advantage of the open space that he does have,

Speaker 4: and you could only do so much when you have

Speaker 4: sixteen total guys that are out there on the practice field,

Speaker 4: and the case we're talking about, only two of them

Speaker 4: are actually working together in Carson Beck and Jeremiah Love,

Speaker 4: and it was from a distance and we couldn't see

Speaker 4: at all. But you're trying to take advantage of the

Speaker 4: time you have. They only were out there for about

Speaker 4: an hour. A large part of what this rookie mini

Speaker 4: camp experience is about is really spent in the classroom.

Speaker 4: We heard from a lot of the guys, and something

Speaker 4: that I thought was a little bit new and a

Speaker 4: little bit telling was how many of them talked about

Speaker 4: zoom calls with their position coaches during the weeks since

Speaker 4: they've been drafted, where they've gotten to play install, where

Speaker 4: they've tried to learn as much as they can, and

Speaker 4: then after they learn, like you're not learning on day

Speaker 4: one how to install the play with some of these rookies,

Speaker 4: you are installing a lot of different things, but they

Speaker 4: are already a step ahead of where they otherwise might

Speaker 4: have been in the past. So I think you have

Speaker 4: to just try to take advantage of the twenty four

Speaker 4: hours in a day that you get because now these

Speaker 4: guys are out here and in most cases they don't

Speaker 4: have apartments, they don't have houses yet that they're living in,

Speaker 4: so they're all rooming together. They're at a hotel, and

Speaker 4: that's kind of every team has that for their rookie

Speaker 4: mini camp, and I think in this case, you are

Speaker 4: really spending a lot of time together. You're bonding together

Speaker 4: because this rookie class is going to be linked together

Speaker 4: in history for one reason or another, and you hope

Speaker 4: it's for all the good reasons.

Speaker 1: The on field work, where we were positioned is where

Speaker 1: we've typically been positioned, and that is right in front

Speaker 1: of where the defensive lineman work, and it was our

Speaker 1: first chance to see new defensive line coach Pete Kwakowski

Speaker 1: work and a lot of it was detail. And when

Speaker 1: I say detail, it was footwork, close attention to where

Speaker 1: these guys planted their feet. And then when you're up

Speaker 1: against the heavy bags, okay, what are you doing with

Speaker 1: your hands and the explosion coming out of your stance,

Speaker 1: even with the offensive linemen on the other side of

Speaker 1: the field. Justin Frye and Chris Cook, it's always about

Speaker 1: the footwork because these college wherever you went, you were outstanding.

Speaker 1: You are very, very talented and sometimes the most talented

Speaker 1: player on the field. Now you're in the NFL and

Speaker 1: everyone is talented, everyone is big, everyone is strong, everyone

Speaker 1: is fast. So what separates the talent to where you

Speaker 1: become elite? A lot of it is the attention to detail,

Speaker 1: meaning your football knowledge, your football IQ, what you can process.

Speaker 1: But it's technique and what do you do what you

Speaker 1: have to do to be in position to be successful,

Speaker 1: whether you're offense or defense. Because sometimes the biggest, the strongest,

Speaker 1: the fastest, they're not successful because the guy opposite them

Speaker 1: is just a little bit better, either in their get

Speaker 1: off or their route running or their hand placement, And

Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're winning your one on ones,

Speaker 1: even though maybe physically side by side you're not nearly

Speaker 1: you don't measure up.

Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go one direction in them and come

Speaker 4: right back to it. And it's something we might talk

Speaker 4: about it we might talk about in future weeks. But

Speaker 4: I'm putting together a story at some point about the snapcount.

Speaker 4: And it's something that seems so basic and so simple.

Speaker 4: Everybody kind of has their own, and in the case

Speaker 4: of Carson Beck, He's coming from college where all you

Speaker 4: did was the clap, and I know that Miami for

Speaker 4: a little bit had a little bit of a verbal cadence,

Speaker 4: but then they shifted back to the clap as the

Speaker 4: rest of the season went along. And that was something

Speaker 4: that I asked coach Lafleur about and Mike said, even

Speaker 4: with the veterans, we spent the entire first week not

Speaker 4: even doing anything with plays. It was a matter of

Speaker 4: being in the huddle and what that pre snap snap

Speaker 4: cadence actually sounds like, because you need everybody's to sound

Speaker 4: the exact same. And the question was asked, why do

Speaker 4: you spend a week on something that's as simple as that,

Speaker 4: because that seems like a long time, and coach willfour said,

Speaker 4: I will do this this year and five years in

Speaker 4: fifty years like that will never change because when you

Speaker 4: could excel at the basics, then you become dominant at

Speaker 4: everything else. And in the case of the defensive line, yes,

Speaker 4: strength is a power for both offensive and defensive lineman.

Speaker 4: In college, your strength could beat up a lot of

Speaker 4: different offensive linemen just simply based off of your your frame,

Speaker 4: your stature, and the sort of havoc you could cause

Speaker 4: up in the middle and the trenches there in the NFL,

Speaker 4: you're not bulldozing Yell Defroholt or Isaac Samalu or Paris

Speaker 4: Johnson Junior or any of the NFL offensive linemen with

Speaker 4: lots of experience unless you have the proper technique, the

Speaker 4: proper strength, the proper fundamentals, and are able to also

Speaker 4: use that football IQ to absolutely outsmart them. So Coach

Speaker 4: Quitkowski PK is what I heard that they was what.

Speaker 3: They call it does.

Speaker 4: Although Quitkowski is a pretty cool name, he was locked

Speaker 4: in very different than what we had with Coach Debo,

Speaker 4: not saying coach Debo wasn't locked in. Debo just handled

Speaker 4: things a little bit differently. He had the cleets on,

Speaker 4: he was hands on with the guys. Coach Kwitkowski looked

Speaker 4: like he was just kind of standing there like the

Speaker 4: principal that's just watching the students do the work and

Speaker 4: trying to nitpick anything that he possibly can. Kayleb Proctor

Speaker 4: Dominic Williams who comes from Oklahoma. If I'm not mistaken,

Speaker 4: with the two guys that were working there and that

Speaker 4: defensive line drill rotation that they had, and there are

Speaker 4: two talented guys. There's a reason why Kayleb Proctor, as

Speaker 4: a D one DOAA type of guy, was able to

Speaker 4: get drafted where he was in the fourth round and

Speaker 4: be that Southland Conference Player of the Year. But PK

Speaker 4: is going to be watching and he's going to nitpick

Speaker 4: on absolutely everything, because in the NFL you do need

Speaker 4: to nitpick to try to be the best version of

Speaker 4: yourself that you could be.

Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with what you just said, and then

Speaker 1: I want to come back to the Cadence thing because

Speaker 1: it's a fascinating conversation. We had Aq Shipley here in

Speaker 1: studio not too long ago, and we were talking about

Speaker 1: the offensive lineman and arm length, and it's a not

Speaker 1: a touchy subject, but it's a subject that we've talked

Speaker 1: about a lot with Aq because he has short arms,

Speaker 1: and he's made that very publicly clear. Yet he spent

Speaker 1: ten plus years in the NFL very successful center with

Speaker 1: quote unquote short arms because of his football IQ and

Speaker 1: his technique able to outlast very many others who are

Speaker 1: coming in to take his job. And I think that's

Speaker 1: what you saw on Friday and Saturday is okay. Regardless

Speaker 1: of what position you play, there are certain there are

Speaker 1: certain ways we need things done. Where your feet are,

Speaker 1: where your hands are, where your eyes need to be.

Speaker 1: And I think this is it could be very similar

Speaker 1: to what you were taught in college, or it could

Speaker 1: be drastically different. But with the Arizona Cardinals, this is

Speaker 1: how it's done. And going back to the veterans, for

Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, new coaching staff, new position coaches,

Speaker 1: this is what we are teaching. And some of it

Speaker 1: could be an adjustment because in the case of Justin

Speaker 1: Fryley was here a year ago. All Right, what did

Speaker 1: we learn last year to that worked well, Let's keep

Speaker 1: it going. Okay, this didn't work well, how do we

Speaker 1: tweak it and make it better. So a lot of

Speaker 1: the offseason is about refining what you're teaching and then

Speaker 1: the proper technique and you slow play it until you

Speaker 1: get to training camp, preseason, and ultimately the regular season.

Speaker 4: And I think with a rookie a Chase Pasontas, Justin

Speaker 4: fry we know he had the recruiting history trying to

Speaker 4: bring a Chase Pasontas to Ohio State. He's kind of

Speaker 4: had a vision for how he would want to use

Speaker 4: a guy like Chase for a long period of time,

Speaker 4: and then I think once it became a little bit

Speaker 4: real that the Arizona Cardinals could be in position to

Speaker 4: select Pasontas if he slides to the second round, then

Speaker 4: you could start to probably see those wheels turn again

Speaker 4: for Justin Frye as to Okay, I remember when I

Speaker 4: was when he was back in high school, how I

Speaker 4: planned to use him in college, and how I wanted

Speaker 4: to make him turn into this pro style player. Now

Speaker 4: he is at the pros, he already has that experience

Speaker 4: from his time at Texas A and M, and now

Speaker 4: you're able to say, like, Okay, how can he mesh

Speaker 4: well on our offensive line unit? And I think it

Speaker 4: goes back to that first year The second year jump

Speaker 4: is what we talk about a lot with players. It

Speaker 4: applies to coaches too, and I think it goes to

Speaker 4: what we talked about with Yeldefrojo when the Phase one

Speaker 4: opened up and we spoke with the center. He said,

Speaker 4: coach Frye is a different coach than he was last year.

Speaker 4: You learn a lot, and I think as you want

Speaker 4: to have that consistency and continuity along the offensive line

Speaker 4: that you at least thought you were going to have

Speaker 4: going into the season. Then because of all the injuries

Speaker 4: that that team that that offensive unit faced, you never

Speaker 4: really had that. And it sucks because you want to

Speaker 4: see what you're able to actually do with a consistent

Speaker 4: offensive line the same five different players out there. But

Speaker 4: I think it says a lot about an offensive line

Speaker 4: coach when you are able to have to coach and

Speaker 4: need to coach so many different players and have to

Speaker 4: mixmatch all these different rotations. And I think in this

Speaker 4: case right now, when you're looking at the rookies that

Speaker 4: are coming in right now, I think Elijah Wilkinson as

Speaker 4: the starter, but if Jada Williams puts enough on tape,

Speaker 4: I think there's a fair competition between Elijah Wilkinson, Josh Freyer,

Speaker 4: Christian Jones, and Jada Williams, regardless of the fact that

Speaker 4: he was drafted in the seventh round. And same with

Speaker 4: Chase Besonta's going up against Isaiah Adams, and I think

Speaker 4: this is where you're going to see the coaching really

Speaker 4: come into effect from coach Fry.

Speaker 1: And then how do you learn that playbook, whether that's

Speaker 1: offense or defense, Because that's step number one. Going back

Speaker 1: to what you mentioned about cadence. Both Carson Beck late

Speaker 1: last week and Mike laflor talked about how much that

Speaker 1: can be a quote weapon and quarterbacks cadence, because, as

Speaker 1: Lafleour mentioned, we know when we're going to snap the ball.

Speaker 1: The defense doesn't. But if you've got smart players along

Speaker 1: that defensive line that can time it perfectly. That's why

Speaker 1: sometimes while that was a great get off, well one,

Speaker 1: it could be just their natural instincts and athleticism, or

Speaker 1: it's they've done enough tapework, enough film study to where

Speaker 1: they either hear something or your mannerisms and they know

Speaker 1: when that ball is going to be snapped, and all

Speaker 1: of a sudden you're on the backfield and the play

Speaker 1: gets blown out.

Speaker 4: Well, I think, yes, that is a part of it.

Speaker 4: But I think another part of it is the when

Speaker 4: you were so accustomed to just doing one thing your

Speaker 4: entire career. And this is in the case of if

Speaker 4: Carson Beck.

Speaker 3: Were to get the nod and have to be the

Speaker 3: starting quarterback.

Speaker 4: When you're so accustomed to doing one thing your entire career,

Speaker 4: it's very tough to sometimes shake that. And yeah, you're practicing,

Speaker 4: but when you're actually in a game setting and you're

Speaker 4: looking across, and it's not the same eleven guys that

Speaker 4: you've been practicing against that are going to be staring

Speaker 4: you down. It's gonna be a different jersey that's going

Speaker 4: to be looking to try to get into the backfield.

Speaker 4: Sometimes you could those habits, those bad habits, those unused habits,

Speaker 4: can now start to come back to life again. It's

Speaker 4: something that the Cardinals had to deal with during Cliff

Speaker 4: Kingsbury and Kyler Murray's first year, and it drew a

Speaker 4: lot of different penalties. And I remember there was a

Speaker 4: situation when I was researching that pretty sure was Brett

Speaker 4: Hunley that there was. You know, there was some challenges

Speaker 4: there with the false clap that they were trying to

Speaker 4: do and all these different things. So you want to

Speaker 4: be able to get rid of all of that. Carson

Speaker 4: Bex played a lot of college football, and that's why

Speaker 4: I bring it up in the way that I do

Speaker 4: because six years in the game, it's very different than

Speaker 4: some of the guys that come in with just three years.

Speaker 4: You have doubled that now, So I do think that

Speaker 4: that's something that's important. The other thing, though, Craig, is

Speaker 4: what Mike was saying about when you look at. We

Speaker 4: don't know who our starting quarterback is going to be,

Speaker 4: but the one thing we do know is all three

Speaker 4: are going to sound the exact same because we want

Speaker 4: to make sure that our offense is all on the

Speaker 4: same page. Because, like you said, we know when the ball.

Speaker 3: Is going to be snapped.

Speaker 4: The game is in our hands, it's in our control,

Speaker 4: and because of that, we need everybody to be on

Speaker 4: the same page.

Speaker 1: This goes back to something Lafleur brought up during his

Speaker 1: introductory press conference and then a little bit later when

Speaker 1: he was on with Bickley and Murradi, and he mentioned quote,

Speaker 1: we're going to operate better than anyone in the NFL,

Speaker 1: And I really believe that because that takes no talent,

Speaker 1: meaning the pre snap operation, how do you break the huddle?

Speaker 1: How do you line up? Are you in the right

Speaker 1: spot before the ball is snapped? Literally takes zero talent.

Speaker 1: You and I, Cody, we can all go out there,

Speaker 1: break a huddle and line up on the football field. Now,

Speaker 1: obviously we're clearly a successful I can picture it to

Speaker 1: my mind, but that is what happens before the ball

Speaker 1: is snapped, So you should be able to do that

Speaker 1: without a penalty, and I went back and looked last season,

Speaker 1: the Cardinals had forty pre snap penalties. That was fifteenth

Speaker 1: most so right in the middle, tied with three other

Speaker 1: teams eighteen false start penalties, ten of which were on

Speaker 1: the road. And I remember most coaches will say this,

Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon certainly did during his time with the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 1: But the pre snap penalty non negotiable. The post snap penalty,

Speaker 1: meeting after the whistle non negotiable. So as easy as

Speaker 1: it sounds, do you get up to the line of

Speaker 1: scrimmage with plenty of time on the playclock? Shouldn't be

Speaker 1: that difficult. Are you where you are supposed to be

Speaker 1: as a running back, of tight end, a wide receiver

Speaker 1: and offensive lineman. Are you on the line of scrimmage?

Speaker 1: Do you have to be told, hey, move up a

Speaker 1: little bit or move back so you don't have too

Speaker 1: many men at the line of scrimmage? All this is

Speaker 1: pre snap. And then if you're motioning before the snap,

Speaker 1: are you able to get set before the ball is

Speaker 1: snap so there's not a false start? This is all

Speaker 1: again before the snap. And to hear Lafleur talk about,

Speaker 1: we spent a week on it, and again you're like, what,

Speaker 1: But it's the details going into that before the ball

Speaker 1: is snapped. That if you're able to get to the

Speaker 1: line of scrimmage with what twelve, thirteen, fourteen seconds on

Speaker 1: the play clock or maybe even more now, all of

Speaker 1: a sudden, you're the quarterback, you're looking at the defense,

Speaker 1: and the play is called, Oh wait, nope, can't run

Speaker 1: that play based off what I'm looking defensively, let me

Speaker 1: check out of it. Well, if you're up at the

Speaker 1: line of scrimmage with four seconds to go, more difficult

Speaker 1: to check out of a player.

Speaker 4: And that was one of the things that made Matthew

Speaker 4: Stafford such a great quarterback when working with Sean McVay

Speaker 4: and with Michael Floor was the fact that he was

Speaker 4: able to check out of so many different things. And granted,

Speaker 4: that's what happens when you're in the league for over

Speaker 4: fifteen years and you've seen every single defense that the

Speaker 4: game has to offer, and you're playing at an MVP

Speaker 4: level and then you win the MVP. That's what Matthew

Speaker 4: Stafford brings to the table. I think in the case

Speaker 4: of the quarterback situation here, you have two quarterbacks that

Speaker 4: have played tons of football and Gardner Minshew and Jacoby Brissett.

Speaker 4: You also have another quarterback that has played tons of

Speaker 4: football in Carson Beck, albeit at the college level. Do

Speaker 4: you know that they have seen a lot of different defenses.

Speaker 4: Obviously for Beck it'll be a little bit of an adjustment. Still,

Speaker 4: the game is still the same, but the way that

Speaker 4: teams disguise their defenses is going to be a little

Speaker 4: bit of a transition for Carson. But you want to

Speaker 4: make sure that everybody has enough time at the line

Speaker 4: of scrimmage to make sure that they're all on the

Speaker 4: same page. Because it goes back to that first press

Speaker 4: conference where he said the number one thing he learned

Speaker 4: from Sean he being Michael Floor, was that the worst

Speaker 4: play call is a late play call, and when you

Speaker 4: go to the line and you're rushing, that forces everybody

Speaker 4: to kind of get out of their element because they don't

Speaker 4: have enough time to actually get set, and that's what

Speaker 4: causes a lot of those pre snap penalties. I'm sure

Speaker 4: I'm curious out of the forty pre snap penalty penalties

Speaker 4: that they had how much of them was because how

Speaker 4: many of them were because they got to the line

Speaker 4: with only let's say ten seconds left. I'm not sure

Speaker 4: I didn't draw up those.

Speaker 1: They haven't looked at all the plays.

Speaker 3: No at NFL dot Com.

Speaker 4: No, not yet, No, not yet, but now I know

Speaker 4: what I'm going to be doing. But I do think

Speaker 4: you see something like that and you go, Okay, that's

Speaker 4: the that's the basics, that's the fundamentals, and that's what

Speaker 4: this time of year is really all about for this

Speaker 4: for all NFL teams. But I think especially with a

Speaker 4: new there's gonna be a new voice in the headset

Speaker 4: this year, and there's gonna be a new voice potentially

Speaker 4: in that huddle and at least new play calls that

Speaker 4: are going to be shouted out by whoever it's going

Speaker 4: to be the quarterback that that is going to be

Speaker 4: calling them out. So I do think that this is

Speaker 4: the time of year where you do have to look

Speaker 4: at the fundamentals. You can't hit anybody now, you can't

Speaker 4: put on the paths, you're not really wearing the helmets.

Speaker 3: So what are you able to do?

Speaker 4: You have to excel in the classroom and practice as

Speaker 4: much of this pre snap stuff as you can.

Speaker 1: And this goes defensively as well. Pay attention to any

Speaker 1: head coach, college, high school, even pro as far as

Speaker 1: what bothered them the most is when all of a sudden,

Speaker 1: a first and ten becomes a first and fifteen, or

Speaker 1: a second and two becomes a second and seven because

Speaker 1: someone false started, or on the other side, a first

Speaker 1: and ten. Now all of a sudden is a first

Speaker 1: and five because the defense jumped the gun. So it's

Speaker 1: those pre snap penalties that will bother any head coach.

Speaker 1: So there was some new who was late last week

Speaker 1: as far as roster moves, and not a big deal.

Speaker 1: But we have four of the seven rookies have signed

Speaker 1: on the line that has dotted at least as we

Speaker 1: speak here on this Monday. Jeremiah Love, Reggie Virgil, Carson Schier,

Speaker 1: and Jaden Williams have all signed their rookie contracts. That

Speaker 1: leaves Chase Basantis, Carson Beck and Caleb Procter. Again, this

Speaker 1: is more of a formality than anything else. These rookie

Speaker 1: deals are slotted. Now when you get to the second

Speaker 1: sometime the third round picks, it can drag on a

Speaker 1: little bit longer because those contracts aren't guaranteed like first

Speaker 1: round picks. Those contracts are guaranteed. So there's a lot

Speaker 1: of language talking back and forth between team and agents

Speaker 1: as far as okay, one hundred percent guaranteed or two

Speaker 1: of the four years or three of the four years guaranteed.

Speaker 1: So that's why sometimes we saw this with Will Johnson

Speaker 1: last season. What was it day day?

Speaker 3: Those reporting day?

Speaker 4: It was the first day of training camp where Will

Speaker 4: Johnson signed his contract and that was because the Houston

Speaker 4: Texans changed the game and they gave their second round

Speaker 4: guys fully guaranteed contracts. And that was a big deal

Speaker 4: because Will Johnson was in the middle of the second round,

Speaker 4: a little bit of the closer to the first round

Speaker 4: than he was to the back end of the second round.

Speaker 4: But he you know all the agents that are saying,

Speaker 4: hold on a second here, I want to make sure

Speaker 4: that my client gets as much money as they possibly can.

Speaker 4: I think it Chase Besonce's case and in Carson Beck's case,

Speaker 4: because they were taking so early in the round, it's

Speaker 4: going to be dependent on kind of the team in.

Speaker 3: Front of them and what they are able to do.

Speaker 4: I think Carson Beckett's it's a quarterback in the third round,

Speaker 4: the first pick in the third round, So how much

Speaker 4: guaranteed money is going to happen from there, if any like,

Speaker 4: I'm not too sure, but those will probably be the

Speaker 4: two that will take quite a little bit of time.

Speaker 3: But that also could change.

Speaker 4: Because the Cardinals are so early in the in the rounds,

Speaker 4: they're the ones that kind of have the cards in

Speaker 4: their hands to do what they feel.

Speaker 1: And I have no worries what soever.

Speaker 3: Everybody. We'll get signed.

Speaker 1: Everything will get worked out. This is the holdouts for war.

Speaker 1: Actually not even a holdout when you're not signed. It's

Speaker 1: not a holdout, but the long drawn out process where

Speaker 1: these rookies are missing a week a day of training

Speaker 1: camp that no longer happens.

Speaker 4: Yeah, this is it's a Shemar Stewart case where there

Speaker 4: was so much worry in his contract. They found some

Speaker 4: language there about an injury and how he would not

Speaker 4: get all the guaranteed money. I'm pretty sure if he

Speaker 4: was injured and his agents said no to that, and

Speaker 4: that's when it took some time. I'm pretty sure all

Speaker 4: the way up until week one for him. So I

Speaker 4: don't expect or anticipate for any of that to happen

Speaker 4: in this case. I will say, though it's impressive to

Speaker 4: see how many first round picks have been signed this

Speaker 4: early on. I think Mike erfollow is the one who

Speaker 4: tweet out saying, I think we're at a record pace

Speaker 4: right now for the mount of first rounders that have

Speaker 4: been signed, because typically it'll take some time. I'm pretty

Speaker 4: sure Waltern on the third was signed around June tenth

Speaker 4: around there, so we're pretty early right now in comparison

Speaker 4: between the two.

Speaker 1: It is a big deal when these guys can sign

Speaker 1: their first professional contract. Although it is I think what

Speaker 1: we heard, especially when we heard Jeremiah Love to speak

Speaker 1: on Friday after that first rookie mini camp practice because

Speaker 1: he had signed earlier that day, and yes, he acknowledged

Speaker 1: it's life changing money. However, for him and a lot

Speaker 1: of players in his position, meaning those number one handful

Speaker 1: of players across the country or certain teams, they've experienced

Speaker 1: life changing money this day and age of nil. So

Speaker 1: I did find it interesting that Jeremiah said, look, I'm

Speaker 1: not touching that money. That fifty three plus guaranteed that

Speaker 1: will wind up in his bank account. He's doesn't have

Speaker 1: to worry about it. As he mentioned, I make a

Speaker 1: lot of marketing money, so he'll live off his marketing money.

Speaker 1: But he's always he has been, as he said, well off,

Speaker 1: meaning the last two or three years of Notre Dame,

Speaker 1: he was making a good chunk of change. So this, yes,

Speaker 1: certainly generational wealth now for him and his family, But

Speaker 1: that typical what am I gonna do? What am I

Speaker 1: gonna buy? Most of these players first round, second round,

Speaker 1: they've experienced this and it's no longer the eyes are

Speaker 1: big and what are you gonna do when there's a worry.

Speaker 1: I don't worry about certainly Jeremiah love I Zach, I

Speaker 1: don't know that. The more I hear from him, how

Speaker 1: mature he is, how he sounds, and just has seemingly

Speaker 1: the right response for anything that is asked. And then

Speaker 1: you hear him talk about, yes, I know the spotlight

Speaker 1: is on me because I'm a high pick, and yes

Speaker 1: I'm a running back, But I don't feel that there's

Speaker 1: any more pressure I have, as he mentioned a quote,

Speaker 1: duty though to the Cardinals to give a return on

Speaker 1: their investment in me. And that's what is maybe the

Speaker 1: pressure that he feels.

Speaker 4: Yeah, so if we talk about that first, I think

Speaker 4: he understands the responsibility of what it's like to be

Speaker 4: that first overall, that first round select, the third overall pick,

Speaker 4: and the pressure that that does bring. But he like,

Speaker 4: he goes back to I think the quote that you

Speaker 4: said is one of your favorites, the balance of cool.

Speaker 4: He said, it's very, very tough to rattle me from

Speaker 4: that balance of cool because he is just so even

Speaker 4: keeled with the way that he does everything.

Speaker 3: And even when he's sitting up there getting peppered.

Speaker 4: With questions from us, not knowing what's coming next, his

Speaker 4: way that he thinks through the questions and it's not

Speaker 4: a three word response, it's actually a thought out response.

Speaker 4: And I remember the question I asked him was about

Speaker 4: if he feels any responsibility to kind of be a

Speaker 4: leader amongst the rookie class, you know, bring the guys along,

Speaker 4: because he is that third overall pick. He is the

Speaker 4: headline name in that class. And he was like, yeah,

Speaker 4: you know, I have a responsibility to be myself and everything,

Speaker 4: and then he kind of shift theirs, I do also

Speaker 4: have a responsibility to these guys. I kind of could

Speaker 4: see where that comes from, and you could start to

Speaker 4: see the way he thinks through a lot of these things.

Speaker 4: When it comes to the money. Yeah, and His dad

Speaker 4: even said that he had an opportunity to get even

Speaker 4: more money in college if he didn't stay at Notre Dame.

Speaker 4: But that's but it's the loyalty that he stayed there for.

Speaker 4: The one thing though, is with like the nil you

Speaker 4: have a lot of these guys that come into the league,

Speaker 4: into the NFL, and the first thing they want to

Speaker 4: do is they want to buy the house.

Speaker 3: They want to buy the car, They want to buy this,

Speaker 3: they want to buy that.

Speaker 4: Not all of them will have the marketing money that

Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love will have. Some might even have more, you know,

Speaker 4: But I do think it's taught these guys how to

Speaker 4: handle their money a little bit more at a young

Speaker 4: age when they are in college. Because Jeremiah Love, Like,

Speaker 4: for example, he already said he has his dream car.

Speaker 4: He did that in a red carpet interview with ESPN

Speaker 4: with Katie Feeney, Like, he already said that he has that.

Speaker 4: So now he could come into the NFL. He already

Speaker 4: has what he's spent a lot of money for. He

Speaker 4: has a year of experience of handling all that. Now

Speaker 4: he's ready to just focus in on football. He said,

Speaker 4: let my financial advisors handle that. I love how he

Speaker 4: did say I will know what's going on though you

Speaker 4: better and then he said, but it's right now, it's

Speaker 4: just about football and making sure that this isn't the

Speaker 4: only contract that he gets. It's signing that first contract

Speaker 4: is awesome and it's amazing, it's a milestone. But the

Speaker 4: contracts that everybody talks about is that second contract and

Speaker 4: what you're able to do with it. And a position

Speaker 4: like running back. It has definitely been in question about

Speaker 4: how much the value is of a running back, especially

Speaker 4: when they are aging in a little bit banged up

Speaker 4: and they now are getting set for the second contract.

Speaker 4: But I think of guys like Bijon Robinson and Saikwon

Speaker 4: Barkley and Jamior Gibbs have showed anything like you can

Speaker 4: be worth it and still play at an elite level.

Speaker 1: And I think the value of a Jeremiah Love is

Speaker 1: his skill set, a three down running back who has

Speaker 1: wide receiver skills, something that when we spoke with Marcus

Speaker 1: Freeman not too long ago here on Cardinals Cover Too,

Speaker 1: mentioned that there was a stretch in which they were

Speaker 1: going to use Jeremiah as a wide receiver. He's just

Speaker 1: too talented that you could use him though more out

Speaker 1: of the backfield as a wide out, but still hand

Speaker 1: the ball off to him. And I think that's where

Speaker 1: Jeremiah believes he could separate himself from everyone else in

Speaker 1: the running back room here across the league. Is his

Speaker 1: skill set as a wide receiver and how hard he's

Speaker 1: worked to be a wide receiver.

Speaker 4: Remind me, was it in this press conference or it

Speaker 4: might have been another or an interview I watched where

Speaker 4: he said like he wanted to be a receiver growing up.

Speaker 4: It was this past Friday, I believe so, because he

Speaker 4: talked about running back was something that he did since

Speaker 4: he was I think six, and it was just.

Speaker 1: Because it's for him, is natural. I had to work

Speaker 1: at being a wide receiver and probably looking at the

Speaker 1: wide receivers, they catch the passes, they score the touchdowns,

Speaker 1: and the running backs are the ones getting pounded and

Speaker 1: hit at the line of scrimmage. So and then typically

Speaker 1: wide receivers make more money than running backs.

Speaker 4: And you could be a little bit of a diva

Speaker 4: if you want to be. No, I'm kidding, I wouldn't

Speaker 4: expect that from Jeremiah Love. I do think that that

Speaker 4: was an important change for him obviously, it's what put

Speaker 4: him in this position for him to be the talented

Speaker 4: RB that he is. But it goes to our conversation

Speaker 4: with coach Freeman where he said, like, we spent spring

Speaker 4: practices a good chunk of them just having him just

Speaker 4: practice at wide receiver. We knew he didn't necessarily need

Speaker 4: to work as a running back. He was already very

Speaker 4: talented and gifted. As we got closer to the season,

Speaker 4: will then have no problem shifting him over to his

Speaker 4: primary role. But you want to get the reps and

Speaker 4: the experience as much as you can.

Speaker 3: So that's why he.

Speaker 4: Said, like, hey, we could throw him into the slot

Speaker 4: and see what he's able to do.

Speaker 3: And it goes back to the quote.

Speaker 4: From coach Freeman where he said, I believe that Jeremiah Love,

Speaker 4: if you put the work in, could be a really

Speaker 4: talented NFL wide receiver, not just an NFL running back.

Speaker 4: I think the Cardinals could have a threat in the

Speaker 4: backfield that also could be motioned out wide if needed,

Speaker 4: and it totally could put defenses on their heels.

Speaker 1: And then depending on how you utilize the rest of

Speaker 1: the running backs, maybe there are multiple running backs on

Speaker 1: the field, whether in the backfield, or you have Jeremiah

Speaker 1: split out wide or in the slot with a James

Speaker 1: Connor or Tyler Aljier, Trey Benson, whomever it may be

Speaker 1: in the backfield. And that's where Michael Flora has got

Speaker 1: to figure out how do I best utilize the talent

Speaker 1: that I have. You always hear at the best eleven.

Speaker 1: Who are the best eleven with that particular play that

Speaker 1: series that quartered the game and ultimately able to get

Speaker 1: the job done.

Speaker 4: And I'd like to think that the Cardinals took one

Speaker 4: of the best eleven that were available that can make

Speaker 4: a difference. And I know that there's still a lot

Speaker 4: of discourse about the position of need. You could have

Speaker 4: taken an edge rusher and Rvel Reese, You could have

Speaker 4: taken an offensive tackle in Spencer Fano or in Francis Marinoa.

Speaker 4: I think the more we sit there and listen to

Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love, we could see what this runoff is saw

Speaker 4: in terms of their desire to select a guy like

Speaker 4: him out there. And I know it was from a distance,

Speaker 4: but he will good doing the drills as well, So

Speaker 4: I think it'll be fascinating once we actually do get

Speaker 4: the training camp they put the pads on and what

Speaker 4: it's gonna be like for the for the first time.

Speaker 4: We just saw just the sixteen guys out there on Friday.

Speaker 4: What's it going to be like when that practice feels

Speaker 4: turns to ninety one. That's what it'll be interesting. Because

Speaker 4: the Cardinals did put val Sen as their exempt for

Speaker 4: their International Player of the Year or International Pathway player.

Speaker 1: And they released Andre Bicelli on a failed physical, so

Speaker 1: they currently have ninety You could get to ninety one

Speaker 1: because sends exemption on the roster. This week is the

Speaker 1: final week of Phase two. You still have the rookies

Speaker 1: and veterans together for the first time, so that's the

Speaker 1: importance of this week. Next week, a week from today,

Speaker 1: phase three begins, meaning you can actually go seven on seven,

Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, still no contact, but you're able to

Speaker 1: now kind of simulate foot ball activity as opposed to

Speaker 1: just position drills and walk throughs. And then this week

Speaker 1: later on this week on Thursday, we get the schedule.

Speaker 1: You know, we know the teams, we know the where,

Speaker 1: we just don't know the when. And for those that

Speaker 1: do we know the where.

Speaker 3: There's a chance that we could have an international.

Speaker 1: Gain the potential of being in Mexico City against the

Speaker 1: forty nine ers, the potential of being in Paris against

Speaker 1: the Saints, although there was a report earlier this offseason

Speaker 1: that the Saints were going to play the Cleveland Browns

Speaker 1: in Paris, So sorry about that.

Speaker 4: Said, that's okay, I will I will be okay, I'll survive,

Speaker 4: but it'll be exciting for once the schedule actually does

Speaker 4: get released and we could start to, you know, play

Speaker 4: schedule maker and schedule decider because there's teams like the

Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 3: What's Patrick Mahomes's health going to be? Like when you're.

Speaker 4: Going to Arrowhead and you're trying to compete against them,

Speaker 4: you look at some of the injuries that these teams

Speaker 4: have and you're trying to plan it all out and

Speaker 4: try to when you could get these victories.

Speaker 1: Cardinals will play the NFC West, NFC East, AFC West,

Speaker 1: plus the Lions, Saints, and Jets, and everyone plays the game.

Speaker 1: Is it better to get a team with a new

Speaker 1: head coach early in the season or late in the season,

Speaker 1: And then obviously when you play that schedule game in May.

Speaker 1: A lot happens between now and when Week one begins.

Speaker 1: Because you just brought it up. If you have the

Speaker 1: Chiefs on the schedule, is Patrick Mahomes ready week one?

Speaker 1: Do you want the Chiefs in Week one or week

Speaker 1: eleven when presumably Mahomes is healthy.

Speaker 4: Yeah, and we will say this because I've seen so

Speaker 4: much of this on social media. The Cardinals have one

Speaker 4: of the toughest strength to schedules. At the end of

Speaker 4: the day, though it doesn't matter, I understand a large

Speaker 4: part of that is because of the division that this

Speaker 4: team plays in, and knowing that you're going up against

Speaker 4: the NFC East and the AFC West, who have You're

Speaker 4: playing against a lot of teams that have made Super

Speaker 4: Bowl appearances within the last handful of years. I don't

Speaker 4: know the fact that you have the ragning super Bowl

Speaker 4: champs within your own division in the Seattle Seahawks, but

Speaker 4: we know that the NFL is a one score game.

Speaker 4: It's always what it comes down to. So yes, this

Speaker 4: is a tough strength to schedule. But I do believe

Speaker 4: that the Cardinals are going to find themselves in a

Speaker 4: lot of one score games and it's just gonna be

Speaker 4: a matter of which team makes the least amount of

Speaker 4: mistakes and puts up of the most amount of points

Speaker 4: on the board.

Speaker 1: And it goes back to what Michae Laforr is preaching,

Speaker 1: and that is your preparation and what happens before the

Speaker 1: ball is snapped, whether that's offense or defense. We come

Speaker 1: full circle here on this Monday edition of Cardinals Cover two.

Speaker 1: I'm looking at the schedule, not the NFL schedule again

Speaker 1: that gets released on Thursday. The Diamondbacks are on the

Speaker 1: road this week, Zach, So you are off the hook

Speaker 1: that are back in town next week.

Speaker 4: All right, then are you buying me my tickets?

Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know.

Speaker 4: Okay, look, if you're buying me the tickets, I'll go.

Speaker 1: I wonder if we can figure out a work.

Speaker 3: Well, we'll have that when that's true, only going to

Speaker 3: be in a month, Okay, that's usually what late time

Speaker 3: in the mid June mid June.

Speaker 4: Are So Cardinals Cover two on location?

Speaker 3: How about that we could do that.

Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get Cody out there.

Speaker 3: Cody's doing this because he wants to go.

Speaker 1: Don't forget about me, guys. Good stuff, Zach, And again,

Speaker 1: schedule lease. The NFL schedule is coming up on Thursday,

Speaker 1: five pm. And I believe there's a little bit of

Speaker 1: a way that you might be able to get it

Speaker 1: thirty minutes early. At least that's what I've heard throughout

Speaker 1: the NFL. So the NFL with ESPN and NFL Network,

Speaker 1: there are shows at five, but there's potential of an

Speaker 1: email being sent out thirty minutes ahead of that.

Speaker 3: Wow.

Speaker 1: So if people want to get a jump on maybe

Speaker 1: home games or perhaps see the Arizona Cardinals away from

Speaker 1: the state of Arizona, sign me up whatever I can

Speaker 1: do to get the schedule a little bit earlier. On

Speaker 1: that note, we will put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals Special Thanks as always to our executive

Speaker 1: producer Jie Mamhunre, our associate producer Cody Fincher for Zach Kershman,

Speaker 1: I'm Greig real Lou. We'll talk to you next time

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