STRANGE Britain - England's Cryptid Legends - Steve Stockton & Paul Sinclair of Truth Proof

STRANGE Britain - England's Cryptid Legends - Steve Stockton & Paul Sinclair of Truth Proof

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton.

Hello friends, Steve Stockton here with you. Welcome once again

to Everything out There. Joining me today on the phone

all the way from across the pond, Paul Sinclair. You

might know him from Truth Proof or one of the

five books he's written, or two of the documentaries he's made.

He's my guest today on Everything out There.

Speaker 2: Paul. How you doing.

Speaker 3: I'm good. Thank you, Steve, and thank you very much

for inviting me to share a bit of information with

yourself and your listeners. Thank you.

Speaker 1: Oh, you're one of the people that I admire. I've

been on your show a couple of times and I

thought I don't turn about spare player and wanted to

have you on here and listen to you tell some

stories and see the other way around.

Speaker 3: Well, I have no problem with that. It's when to

shut Paul's clear up. Sometimes I've got to admit, but

there's no shortage of information. A lot of it's my

own well, yeah, my own research. Steve and our primarily

do work here in the UK. If any of your

listeners want to google these locations around east and at

North Yorkshire in the United Kingdom. But the work does

spread out, it does go out from there. But I'm

a boot's on the ground type of person. A little

bit about me if you want, Steve. Yeah, I'm sixty

one years old. I have been involved within the subject

of unexplained phenomena. And I say that with an a

because I think there's you know, there's lots of things

at play in not just one singular thing, just about

all my life as long as I can remember. And

one of my books, Night People, is about my own experiences.

And when I packed in work, I'm quite fortunate that

well I weren't. I worked very hard all my life

and got myself into a position where I could pack

in at age forty eight. And before your listeners think

this guy's got loads of money, this guy hasn't. It

just doesn't tell anybody a penny world, and I can manage.

So I devote twenty four to seven to the research.

You know, We've got four girls, they've all grown up

and moved away that they're doing their own thing, and

it's just me and my wife Mary, and it enables me.

I absolutely love it, Steve. I mean, obviously life didn't

allow me the luxury of researching like I do now

in my younger years because I've got to forge a

life for my wife and my family. But now that's

what I do when I find myself all over the place.

I find myself in forests with gamekeepers, in forests with

experiences out on remote cliff tops, with people who've had

strange sightings of an unexplained nature, not just UFO related,

CRYPTID related, sometimes even ghostly. And I think the thing is,

Steve know and you probably have come across this yourself,

with all the work that you've done and all the

accounts that you've heard, you realize that there's a there's

common threads running through it all. It's it is all linked,

just because we might not know how it's linked.

Speaker 1: Absolutely conversation with several people, there's there's a connection.

Speaker 3: There, And yeah, there's a connection, Steve, And I think

there's a movement within the within the researchers with and

we're all researchers, your listeners are researchers because some people

might sit there in silence, but you're searching for answers

to your own your own puzzle, your own things that

have happened to you in your life and why not

that that makes you just as valid as myself and

Steve and a host of other people. And there's a

there's a movement definitely that people are realizing that the

UFO researchers of I would say yesterday, and no disrespect

to these guys, but they wouldn't think out of the box.

Just I would imagine like the cryptid researchers. You know,

So if you've got a guy there who's and I'll

get to some accounts shortlisted, you just stop me when

you want. But you know, if you've got a guy

who's looking for some kind of undiscovered bipedal ape type

creature in the forests and the remote and remote woodlands,

and he gets a report in that says, you know,

I've seen this thing. I came across this terrifying thing,

or you know, it was observing us, and then throws

into the report another odd thing but probably not connected,

is there were some strange lights in the forest and

I can't understand that. And the research, as many of them,

will omit that part of the report because it doesn't

conform with what they believe a big photo where wolf

stroke dog man type report should have in it. And

I think we're doing a massive dis justice or injustice

to the research and advancing it because there's clearly a link.

If time and time again, these things, these types of

phenomena are report alongside the main body of the phenomena

for the researcher beat UFOs, cryptids, ghosts, you know, and

I've seen a movement away from it, and I've seen

that people are starting to realize that this is multi

phenomena research, you know, and it's it's quite evident, you know.

I've got I've got stories. I've got one in front

of front of me which i've been working on and

I've called it. It's from two thousand and seven, Steve,

would you like me to relay this?

Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 3: I've called it the light Forms and the Deer. And

when when one of our girls, our Laura, our youngest daughter,

was getting married, a lady visited our house and who

was adjusting her wedding dress and you know, I should imagine, yeah,

making adjustments to the dress. And we got talking and

she'd seen the covers of the books on the side,

and that I didn't sort of push these things down

people's throats half of the time. If if these if

people are strangers to our household. I don't really say

much about what involved in. And she told me she

lived in a few years prior, and this is going

back to nineteen two thousand and seven, and she told

me that she lived in a little village called Huggart

on the East Yorkshire Wolds. That's Wolds in English folklore

and dialect. It means the wilds, the Wolds, that's what

they'd call it. And there's little villagers dotted all over

the Wolds. And she lived in this place called Huggart,

and she'd been visiting her daughter in the small town

of Driffield, which would have been about fifteen miles away,

and she was coming home in the evening after seeing

a daughter. It's not quite dark and she's on this

narrow almost single track roads with pullins every now and then,

and she called her husband to say that she would

be approximately twenty five thirty minutes. She said there was

a little bit of light frost and she was just

driving steady the distance, but round some bend she could

see lights above the hedgerow. And even though the lights

didn't look as she would familiarize herself with torch lights

because there was almost a lemony orange tinge to these lights.

They were actually balls of light. But doing what we

all do, we're rationalizing, we're trying to find something that

fits into normality. She just assumed that there was a

couple of men on the lane with tortures and didn't

think much more about it as she's driving along. And also,

the lights weren't giving off I mean, this is on

reflection and pardon the pun. After speaking to hers, she

realizes the lights weren't giving off any kind of beam,

and as she approached the bend looking for the people

with tortures. She rounded the bend and she was amazed

to see a herd of roe deer, ten or twelve

in total on the road. Well, obviously, we've got lots

lots of wild deer here in the UK. Road deer

the most prolific, but you don't normally see ten or

twelve on a road together. You'll see two or three

just running after they've been spooked, and then another cluster

will burst out from a hedgerow or somewhere. But there's ten.

So she's moving along and then she's amazed to see

that the lights are above the deer and the spheres

of light or in spheres of light that this lady

called Elaine related to me as I got to know

her sort of working on my she'd been working on

my daughter's wedding dress and told us this amazing account.

And she was shocked. And she said, the deer, the

book or the stager, I think you'd probably call it

in the US, looked as startled as her, but no

more startled with the car than these lights that were

sort of I don't know. She said, they were almost

hurding them. She swerved off the road and if you

google this terrain, you'll see that is quite hilly, sloping

hills that go down either side of this road towards

the village of Huggart, and she just crashed through the

hedge and went down into the field. She says, I

was wedged between two trees. I couldn't open the back

the side doors of the car, and she looked out

of a window and she could see that the lights

were coming down the field. And now all of this

is probably happened in thirty seconds even less, and it's

just totally confused. Eventually, she manages to scramble out of

the back hatch of the car, phone in hand, which

has gone completely flat, and she insisted that she'd got

at least three quarters of a charge when she rang

her husband up. And that's another aspect of the unexplained, Steve,

that your listeners will have come across before, the ability

for something within unexplained phenomena to drain you know, batteries

and electrical appliances, which is a strange one. I don't

know how that.

Speaker 1: I've experienced that myself. I've been on location and doing investigations.

Have camera batteries go flat or an EMF mede her

anything whatever, fully charged cell phone. Yeah, the batteries are

just drained instantly.

Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, well, she said a former flat. The lights

had gone. She's still puzzled. She's not really, she's not.

She's not worked out what's happened. She said. I looked

at I can still see the faces of the deers.

They looked. They looked startled. But not, she insists, not

by my head lights, not by me rounding the corner,

but by these lights that were above them. The She

scrambles up the hill and manages to walk home to

hug her, But then she's lost time, she said. The

walk home, she said, should have been no more than

ten minutes, and it took her well over it. She

was well over let me get correct Myselfia Steve. She

was well over an hour after filming, phoning her husband earlier,

so she'd got missing time as well. So I think

they've got a fairly good account of light form phenomena

interacting with the with wildlife, with animals there. And I

suppose we're the wildlife in some instances with this phenomena,

whatever it is, that's sort of I don't know, is

it interfering with a Steve, whatever it is that's intruding

in our lives. And I don't know if they ever

heard a story like that before.

Speaker 1: Not quite like that, but deer seemed to play a

part in a lot of paranormal encounters. I had another

guest that talked about a thing she saw. She lives

on an old farm out in East Tennessee. And it

looked like a deer in mid jump, you know how

they'll kind of leap over a hedge or something. But

it was like just the outline of it and it

was moving, but it wasn't moving. It was frozen, But

this outline of a deer was just moving through the air.

Speaker 3: It's so strange.

Speaker 2: About deer.

Speaker 1: There's another phenomena they have here. I don't know if

you have consumilar there, but they call it a not deer.

It's a deer, but it's not a deer. It looks

like a deer, but it's some sort of shape shifter.

It can change into several different forms, including a human.

I've heard a lot of reports about that. I don't

know what it is about deer other than you know

they're prevalent. They're are sacred animals to the indigenous peoples.

But there's some something about the deer that the phenomena

are attracted to or used for some regain in some regard.

Speaker 3: I would agree, And like you said, it could be

the prevalent on the landscape and people are familiar with them.

But I mean, we have a similar thing with hairs,

you know, you know, not the rabbits, but hairs, and

people have a lot of superstitions surrounding hairs. But you know,

it jumps all over the place. The research I got

a report from twenty twenty, so it's not that long ago.

And I live right on the edge of the coast

and literally when I'm sat now it's probably two hundred

yards from the North Sea, and a little bit further

down the coast from me is a small fishing village

called Hornsey. And this young man contacted me to say

he'd had what he described as a terrifying experience whilst

fishing one night at Hornsey. And so his beach fishing.

He's got his road, he's got his gear, his dad's

dropped him off, and he only lives about five to

ten minutes from where his dad had dropped him off

on the seafront at Harnsey. And this is as strange

as it gets for me. He said. The time was

approximately twelve ten and it was one hour before high

tide weather and sea conditions were very very rough, he said,

as you know, and he moved close to the sea

wall for protection not from the sea but from the

wind and the sea spray. Tucked himself down beside the

sea wall and sheltered from terrible conditions, and he remembers

checking his watch and it's twelve ten a m. And

that's when he noticed, as he looked up the beach,

a very very small, thin figure walking towards him along

the shoreline, which was kind of impossible, this, this young

guy said, And I just need to just detract slightly

all of these people I speak to personally and I've

met face to face usually, you know, because I'll like

first hand accounts. And he's quite perplexed when he's telling

me this. He said, the sea was raging, he said,

you know, he said, it weren't even high tide, and

it's it's nearly at the top of the beach and

there's this thin figure just walking along the shoreline. He

said that sat for a few moments, amazed that someone

would be so close to those those conditions, and who

or whatever it was was very small, he said, about

five foot tall and very very thin. If it was

a human, he said, it had to be a woman.

And I kind of stopped him there and said, you know,

could you see the outline of hips or breasts? You know,

there's there's nothing wrong with asking these questions. And he

said he couldn't, it was so thin, but that he

could only imagine that someone of that stature could be

a woman. And it was completely black from head to toe.

Now we know that it's nighttime, we know that he's

talking about stormy sea conditions, so you know, it would

be difficult to make out facial features or anything, but

you can usually see a little bit of shade. Not

everything's just completely back black. He said. It moved its

arms in military fashion, so we can all picture that

as a soldier would walk up the beach. But this

thing's approximately five foot tall. So he's watched this for

a few minutes, but he felt the urge to stand

up and need to stress here. And he didn't feel

the urge to stand up to shock this thing. He'd

been crouched down against the sea wall and he wanted

to just stretch his legs and he's got no there's

nothing happening that's unnerving him at this moment, he said.

At the exact moment that it stood up, the figure

instantly stopped. He said, it felt as though whatever it was,

and now he's calling it it, he's moved away from

it being a human was shocked. Whatever this was was

shocked that it had been seen. And he got the feeling,

although only a feeling, there's no mind speaker or anything

like that, that it didn't want to be seen, he said.

And then over a period of about five to six

seconds seconds, he said this the figure sort of just

pixelated and vanish. Which is that just kind of runs

shivers down my spine thinking about.

Speaker 1: It, imagining it in my head, seeing that the pixelation had.

Speaker 3: You know, a diminutive figure, but nonetheless something that's got

the ability to him to just render itself invisible before

his eyes. He said, at that moment, his curiosity turned

to deep fear. He was very scared, and he phoned

his dad and told him what had happened, asked him

to come right away, he said. His dad arrived less

than five minutes after the phone call. You know, his

dad realized there was some urgency, and the time between

making the phone call to picking him up and arriving

back home should have taken fifteen minutes. And I've just

missed a little bit out here that I'll just retract,

go back, Steve. After he'd made the phone call to

his dad, he pulled out his fileting knife from his

fishing tackle box and hastily cut the line on his

fishing rod. He just left whatever it was for the

sea to claim, packing his rod away. Looking around him

constantly with the knife in one hand, he said, I

felt that this thing was there. I couldn't see it

now that could be just sheer paranoia on his part,

but I think I'd probably feel the same myself, you know, Steve,

But you know that's how he felt. He said, it

shouldn't have taken his dad more than five minutes to

get to him, which have made the time. But incredibly,

let me get this correct. Incredibly, when he arrived home

it was one thirty seven am. So if it's correct

with his times, is not only had this incredible sighting

of this pixelating, vanishing figure, he's lost over eighty minutes

of time. So there's something happened in the time between

the time. He has no recall of anything happening. However,

during that time, you know, with his permission, you know,

I sort of contact with the local paper to see

and briefly gave an outline of the story without I

didn't want to identify this young guy and to see

if anybody else had had any similar accounts. But before

we get to that, and I can add on to

a few more accounts from this, he said when he

went home and dad got him home, obviously this young

guy is very very shok up. They live in a

pretty secluded house and it's modern and it's got a

lot of glass all the way around it, one way

glass that obviously the occupants inside can see out, but

nobody can see in quite an affluent property, or his

dad is an affluent man, you know, plenty of money

by the sounds of things. And he said, I immediately

shut the blinds, even though there was no need, because

I felt that this thing was watching me. And he said,

I felt like that for days. He said that whatever

I saw and I'd had an effect on it, I

wasn't supposed to see it. So it's just a quirky story, Steve.

And you know, obviously we both love these strange and

unusual stories, and I like the fact that I've not

really heard one quite the same. But when I contacted,

I think it was a Hornsey Gazette, the local paper,

and just said this young fisherman had had this experience

on the beach and put it out there. I wondered

if anybody else had had any experts is now contacted

by a man who said that when he was a

young boy, he'd been on the beach at Haunsey digging bait,

lugworms and things obviously to use to catch the fish.

There's a group of them two or three guys, young

young men, probably teenagers, well they were teenagers. And he said,

I turned round and looked towards the sea wall, and

I saw the dark shadow of something, not an outline

and not a strong outline, a shadow of something. Then

one of my friends screamed out and shouted sort of

ouch or worse to that effect, and something kicked him

in the calf and he fell to the floor. He said,

we all, all three of us, watched this dark shadow

run into the night. So there's obviously substance to these things, Steve,

even something with the ability to render itself invisible, you know.

And I thought of that as you were talking about

this deer that looked almost shadow like and the shape

shifter element. What else could these things be? You know?

You know, it's been suggested that the intelligence that is

unexplained phenomena can perhaps put these images in our heads.

Let's face it, if these things can speak to us

in our minds, if they've got the ability to read

our thoughts, then there's the potential that they can actually

place images in our minds. But not in all instances,

because the substance to whatever it is kicked the guy

in the calf on the beach, or there appears to be.

I mean, it would have been amazing if the young

fisherman had found footprints, but you weren't hanging around any

longer than he had to do, you know, So just

a strange another strange one that really strange.

Speaker 1: I've never heard anything quite like that has the elm

of a missing time. The creature that can appear to

disappear at will if you will, or at least paid

out like that fascinating. I mean, there's so much out

there that we don't understand, and it is all connected,

and like Charles Sport once wrote, one measures the circle

beginning anywhere, And when you start looking into these things,

you find so many different tangents, yet so many different similarities.

And that's always the fascinating part to me, and one

of the bonuses, I guess you could call it of

what you and I do when we hear these stories

and we report them other people little jog their memories

or they've been waiting to tell it and like, oh,

here's something similar to what happened to me.

Speaker 2: I don't feel like people.

Speaker 1: Are going to think I'm crazy if I share my story.

Speaker 2: I love that aspect of it.

Speaker 3: I want to talk absolutely, and that isn't an aspect

of it that, like you, I share lots of enthusiasm

for because it does give people the encouragement to come

out with their own their own accounts of the strange

and unusual, and it adds more meat to the bone

that we are dealing with something that's very real. I mean,

just because we don't understand how these things work, the

mechanisms of it, this exotic science, does not mean it's

not happening. When I wrote the first book, the First

Truth Proof Book, in two thoy and fifteen, obviously, like

I said previously, I've been researching, same as everybody, same

as your listeners, you know, whilst throughout my working life

I'm sort of looking into these things and looking for

pieces of my own puzzle, so to speak. But I

contacted another local paper, the Bridlington Free Press, and asked

them if they'd kindly put an advert in saying that

an budding author so to speak, was looking for stories

of the strange and unusual, and I in amongst the

reports I started getting. Because I was primarily a UFO

type researcher, I was probably in the category that I've

just been not frowning upon, but saying we should move

away from. And in amongst the reports, I got a

report of a werewolf type creature from a little village

eleven miles away from where I live, a village called Flickston.

And I didn't disregard it. But it wasn't it wasn't

at the top of my life, Steve. But I got

another report from the village of Flixton, from someone else,

but not a resident, but someone who had been passing through.

And this is a tiny village. It's in North Yorkshire.

I live in East Yorkshire, but you kind of slip

across the border about six miles from my home and

you're in North Yorkshire. And Flixton is a tiny village

that adjoins another village called Fulkton, and between the two

of them they would only form us one small village.

And there's one road runs through them both, and it's

the A ten three nine. And so anyway, I thought, right,

I'm gonna have a little bit of a dig around

and look into the subject of what I've now called

the Flixton werewolf visited the village. I don't go door

knocking asking people if they've seen a werewolf people. But

I was looking for information relating to this, and I

found myself at Fulkton Church and an old guy there

was the grounds money was doing some work on it

up talking to him and I told him there had

these reports of this strange bipedal creature. And he said,

this guy, I'll not say his name, but I know

he was in his eighties, lovely old chap just worked

tending to grass and plants around the church. And he

told me that, you know, as children growing up in

the village, they all knew about the Flixton werewolf. And

I don't mean they'd all seen it. I suppose it's

like villagers or small towns and communities in the US,

Steve where people have all they'll all know about the

story of the bigfoot or maybe ware wolf, stroke dog

man type creatures that have been reported. So he starts

telling me these you know, you need to speak to

this guy. You need to speak to a guy called

Edwin Cooper who was a historian. He may have some information.

So I sort of went on my way, did a

little bit more research, bumped into someone else and he said,

this guy said he'd heard the stories, but didn't really

have any information he could give me. This is another

one close to the church again, And then I discovered

that Flixton the village itself in nine thirty seven AD.

So we're going back a lot of years. I think

we're going back one thousand and eighty six years nine

thirty seven AD. The then king king Athelston, so not

a made up king, it's not legend. The King of

the day ordered that a refuge be built at Flixton

to protect travelers from wolves. Well, as I've said many

times now on various podcasts, we know that wolves would

have been prevalent in eastern North Yorkshire within the United

Kingdom one thousand and eighty six years ago nine thirty

seven AD. But there's a little bit extra on the

writing that I found fascinating. It said to protect travelers

from wolves and an infestation of savage beasts. Then abounding.

Now does that mean another?

Speaker 2: Definitely, it really.

Speaker 3: Does, Steve, and this is what the ancient writings say.

So I will get to some of the accounts, but

I'll just sort of flesh out the history of the area.

So he had they called it Carman's Spittle, and it

was c a double r and it's nothing to do

with motor cars over a thousand years ago. What cars

mean people in the UK, the cars it means, reads

an elder. It's wetlands, the cars, that's what we call them.

And so it was Carman's spittle and I suppose it's

their early word for hospital a refuge. So Carman's Spittle

was built one thousand and eighty six years ago to

protect travelers from wolves and an infestation of savage beasts.

And the writing also said at least they be devoured.

So does that mean that there's a werewolf prevalent? It

flicks to and I can't say with any certainty, But

what I can say is I've got lots and lots

of reports from people totally unconnected to one another, spanning decades,

mean to have seen this thing, which is fascinating now archaeologists.

Before we get to the account, Steve, if you, if

you'll allow me to just deliberate on this archaeologists.

Speaker 2: Please continue every minute part.

Speaker 3: It's fabulous. I'm enthralled by the flixt and werewolf stories

now it's it's really captured me as well. The cars

Flixton's Star car, which is the low wetlands that I've

just discussed that the attached to the village, but you know,

they're literally with hundreds of yards from the bottoms of

some of these people's gardens and it used in Paolithic

times that's over I don't know, eight to twelve thousand

years ago. It was a huge lake. Obviously the inhabitants

then would not have called it Lake Flixton, but it

would have been known as Lake Flixton in modern day

that's what they call it. And the archaeologists now the

lake bed has dried up and it's all wetland. They've

found some of the most important artifacts any where in

the UK or the world. They found headdressers with red

deer antlers, frontlets and antlers attached with eyes drilled in

them or bored in them with primitive tools. But what's

interesting is the archaeologists believe that the people who inhabited

flixt and stark Are were much more than hunter gatherers.

They found evidence of mass animal sacrifice and horse butchery,

and they believe that these people, these inhabitants of flixed

and stark A, were shaman or practice in shamanic ritual

with dute based on what they've found. So that's not

Paul Sinclair saying that and speculating that's what the archaeologists speculate.

So has kind of stepped into the shoes of somebody thinking, well,

if we're looking at shaman and the potential for what

the shaman can do and the transformation, are we looking

at something that's a remnant from those ancient times in

the form of the Flixton werewolf, you know? And so

jumping from that, there's another village two miles away from Flixton. Oh,

just draw back again. Paul, the king who had the

refuge bill to protect the travelers, also said that a

certain portion of land within Flixton must be forever known

as Wolfland. So that's interesting in itself. That's hence the

title of our documentary Wolfland that because that's where our

documentary begins at Flixton and then sort of travels around

these areas where the sightings are. But let me just

jump back to where we were. There's another village two

miles away from Flixton called hundman Be. So you break

the words down, it's h u n d man b

y m a n b y. So I'm not fitting

these words to make anything. I'm reporting or relaying what

they actually mean in ancient texts, and huned man be

means farmstead of the houndman. So don't you find it

absolutely fabulous and intriguing. And one other thing that throws

up all the time, Steve around these locations, around the

locations where these cryptid type creatures are seen, you know.

I mean here in the UK, I tend to use

the word were wolf. I know in the the US

people use the word dog man. And I haven't got

a problem either or I think we're dealing probably with

the same thing. You know, some people might not agree,

but I'm not here for an argument with you know,

I think we all agree that there is a reality

to what what people see.

Speaker 1: I can see both sides of it. I think it's

more akin to a wolf than than than a canine

lumpine rather than canine. So I think there's there's a

subtle difference in there. They probably know each other apart,

but they're similar.

Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very very And you know, all of these witnesses,

they're all they're all reporting things in on or around

ancient earthworks, burial mounds, you know. And I don't know

whether that applies, well, I do. I think it does

apply to certain sites in the US and all over

the world. You get Indian burial grounds and you get

other places, and it's almost as though these things. I mean,

if if we jump to Egypt, we've got a nubist,

the sort of guardian of the dead. It leads the

dead to the underworld or the safe passage to the underworld.

We've got, you know, we've got these were wolf dog

man type entities seen around burial mounds. We stay with

Flixton and I'll just tell you an account from the

old guy that when I first started looking into it,

one of the elder people of the village said he'd

heard of it, but knew nothing about it. And I

found myself back in the village again, just sort of

retracing my steps, and I bumped into him and I

told him that I'd found out that used to be

called wolf Land, and you know, with the refuge had

been built. He said, oh, you've got that far, have you,

I said, I said yeah. I said, it's fascinating. I said,

there's really something to this. And he said to me,

I've seen it. I said, you what he said, I've

seen it? Wow, and prior to this he wouldn't it,

wouldn't let on it seen anything. So I said, would

you like to tell me about what you've seen them? Please?

He said yeah, he said it was about nineteen forty eight,

So you can see how far back some of these

stories go. It says I was a young boy and

we were playing around the burial mounds on top of

Staxton Brow. Staxton Brow is five hundred foot above sea

level and it's very close to an ancient Roman hill fort.

And now on the Roman Hill Fort is arif Staxton Wold,

which is the oliest operational a ref base in the world,

and it's still operational today. But just across from Staxton Wall,

these these young boys, two young boys were playing one

summer's evening and he kind of alluded to the fact that,

you know, we could play out till nine ten at

night and our parents used to leave the doors unlocked

and everything was safe. It's not like the world is today,

he said. And we're up around the around the burial

mounds of sharp how how is a burial mound or

a tumuli? And this where they were playing is what

was known as a barrow cemetery. All of these locations

that I'm speaking about exist people. So if you, if

you are sufficiently interested, you will google them and you

will find them so sharp. How I think I've I've

seen there's five burial mounds left today. Apparently there was nine,

but the plow and the farmer has sort of diminished

the other four. There's there's nothing left to be seen.

He suddenly walked up to one of the burial mounds

as their young boys just are playing, having a great time.

I suppose on a summer's eve, and there's a tree

growing out of the side of the mound. It said.

This thing is crouched with its back to the tree,

and in his words, he said, it was looking at

something in its hands. Didn't say pause, he said hand.

So we stopped in our tracks and stared at this

thing that just lifted its head looked at them, no

glowing eyes, no snarling teeth, and looked at them. I said,

and I said, describe it. He said it. Essentially, it

was a dog in the shape of a man in

the you know that's you know, the shoulders, everything, It

had clavicles. It was a dog in the shape of

a man, he said. I asked him what he did.

He said, we turned and we ran. Now, there's many

things that take this away from any kind of apex

predator that we'd no understand, such as, I don't know

a wolf for bear a pumor. It didn't pursue them.

They never saw it again. They just ran, I think

he said. He told the story to his parents. His

parents had relayed the story of don't go there, don't

do this, don't do that in various locations because you'll

encounter the werewolf. These stories were told to the locals

of Flixton as part of growing up. So that's just

another story of the Flixton Werewolf, you know. And this

road obviously in the truth Proof books Truth Proof one

and truth Proof too, are right. I won't say extensively,

but I've got quite a few accounts of the Flixton

Werewolf and they're scene or it is seen on the

eight ten, three nine. Well it would be because it's

a very sleepy, lazy kind of road and there's only

one way into the village, as I said before, and

one way out. And you know, I think we've got

one from and if anybody reads my books, please forgive me.

If I've got year wrong, but I think it's nineteen

sixty six, where there's a fishing town about seven miles

away on the edge of the North Sea. Like I

live in Bridlington on the edge of the North Sea.

Flixton is inland and called Filey. And this this young

man had been to Filey with a friend for a

night out in the local pubs, having a few beers

and probably trying to talk to girls, you know, that's

the way of things in it. And driving home from

Filey on the motorbike, his friends on the back of

the bike picks it, picks Eye Shine up in a

ditch as he's approaching with his motorbike. And I just

need to say that there's lots of drainage ditches around

Flicksed and lot. There's a maze of these ditches. Some

of them are like ten foot deep and they've they've

actually got six or seven foot of water in them,

because obviously this was an ancient lake bed and it's

still it's still very marshy land. But he picks the

eye Shine up and he says, an out of the ditch.

This thing crawls out of the ditch on all fours. Essentially,

it never got off up onto two legs, he said,

but once again a man covered in fur with a

dog's head. So it relayed that story. And then we're

jumping to present time, Steve, you know, we're jumping to

I don't know, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. I've

got stories from throughout the throughout the decades and the years.

But there's two young ladies who've been for an evening meal,

the sisters that they've been out on her works do

it's close to Christmas, it's just before the Christmas period.

But before anybody thinks, well, I bet they've been drinking,

she's driving a car and she looked keen to stress

that her sister had had a few glasses of wine,

but she was driving and she hadn't. They're coming down

the hill watch, which is called Whitegate Hill. That then

as you come off Whitegate Hill you enter the eight

ten three nine road, the one I've just been talking about. Incidentally,

on Whitegate Hill, you've got a burial mound called spell

How which is beautiful burial mound with some interesting stories

of elves and hobbs and goblins attached to it throughout

the ages. Like you know, gendry folk law type stories

which are fascinating. We just approached come off Whitegate Hill

and we're on the A ten to three nine. Nothing

else on the road. Obviously these roads are unlit as well. People.

There's nothing there until you get to the village, and

then you've got you know, a few properties from the village.

And this thing just leapt out into the road in

one leap there stopped momentarily. They weren't close to hitting

it or anything, Steve, but it stopped momentarily, and then

in another leap it was off into the fields and

it had gone. It's almost deliberate in my opinion, because

of all the places that this could have crossed the road,

it does it in full view of somebody's head lights.

The nineteen six I think it was the nineteen sixty

six one. The motorbike. It comes out of the ditch.

There's another story of a driver prior to this. What

we're going to do, Steve, I'm just going to give

you the description that these ladies gave me. They asked

me this. I asked for the description. Obviously, they said

everything looked wrong on it. Everything looked wrong, and it

was a slightly different description to what I'd got from

the old guys who had seen it at sharp how

which they described something looking more like a wolf. They said,

this looked wrong. It's a They described the fur of

a having the fur like the underfur of a badger,

where they could see the skin in the head lights

beneath the fur. And it looked thin, It looked emaciated,

It looked wrong. It was incredibly fast, but it didn't

look like it should actually the mechanics of its bone

structure should have actually worked. It looked almost disfigured. They

didn't say, add the head of a dog. They can't.

Everything happened so fast that, you know, you know, I could.

I could sit here and lie and make up that

it had some that told me at the head of

a dog. They didn't. They didn't really. They were focused

on its body and the legs and this strange disjointed

figure that leapt into the road and leapt off. And

they said, if they were going to liken it to anything,

they said, have you ever seen the film Harry Potter?

And I think we've all probably seen it. He said,

have you seen the Werewolf on Harry Potter? So I

say yes, And then they said it looked like that.

So fascinating, and I'll carry on, Steve, unless you have

any questions.

Speaker 1: No, no, the whole I'm just fascinated with the whole thing,

and the part with Anubis that really jard of memory.

I've got a friend that lives in Louisiana in one

of the swampy areas, and it's in she reported it

to Lady Linda Godfrey. I think it's in her book.

I know what I saw, and she saw a dog

man type creature, but she said it looked more like

the Egyptian Nubis, which is described as a man with

a dog's head or a jackal's head. And the interesting

thing about that, it's one of the gods of the

dead in the Egyptian circles of God of funerary rites

and protect your graves. In the area where she saw that,

there was some sort of indigenous Native American burial ground there,

a burial mound, so it all ties together. It's just

like what you were talking about. And I also like

the fact that you've gone back and the one story

you're relating there for like thing you said nineteen forty eight.

I love those old accounts like that. And one of

the things I do. I'll go to nursing homes and

do a book reading and some people are not into it,

you know, Oh there's no Bengo to night, so they'll

sit and do their knitting or whatever. But a lot

of times after the reading is done, and i'd usually

read out of Strange Things in the Woods, I'll have

some of those elderly people come up to me and say,

when I was a little boy, I saw this, and

then they launched into a story. And those I mean

the elderly people, that's one of our greatest resources for

these folk stories and sightings and stuff, because a lot

of them they've never told anybody about it, and when

they died.

Speaker 2: That experiences with them. So I'm hoping you know that.

Speaker 3: Uh.

Speaker 1: In that first book, Strange Things in the Woods, about

ninety five percent of those people have passed on, So

those stories never would have made it beyond their immediate

circle of friends and family. If even that, if not

for my books, I feel I'm at least doing a

service there to keep the stories alive.

Speaker 3: What a fabulous way to engage with people. See, I've

not thought of that, you know, And I wouldn't mind

doing that. You're you're you're giving entertainment to like I said.

Speaker 1: And then, like I said, some of them don't care.

They just get up and leave when it's over. But

others there'll always be one or two that will hang

around and I know what they're up to. And he's like,

let me tell you what I saw one time. Yes, Yes,

And another place I found find where the young people,

where the teenagers congregate, their their spots skip parks or

BMX dirt tracks and things like that. Ask them, Hey,

where's the spooky place? Where do you take your girlfriend

parking in the car? And I've heard some great tales

that way of certain spots where there's a local legend.

And here in the States, particularly in the Southern United States,

every little community has a white lady or a lady

on a bridge or a crying baby bridge. And it's

just fascinating because it's similar stories but in different locales

all throughout, and it's it's really nationwide, but particularly prevalent

in the South.

Speaker 3: Do you know the white lady story? And obviously will

probably touch on the white lady's story, but we've got

those in a place called Danes Dyke. They're all over

the UK and obviously all over the US, but we've

got them in danes Dyke. But the people have spoken

to they've seen a sphere of white light when you

actually get to it, they've not seen the full blown

apparition of a white lady. But I'd just like to

stay with providing you'll listeners aren't going to be too

bored with the start at all.

Speaker 1: I'm on the edge of my seat and I know

my listeners they enjoy this as much as I do,

if not more, so please continue.

Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've got one which I weren't gonna kind

of include it. It's just it's coming straight out of

my head because you revamped Anubis. I know I touched

on it before, but then you came out with it,

and this is almost well it is. It's in suburbia.

A friend told me about a friend of his who

I got to speak to as a young man in

his late twenties, suffered a heart attack in the prime

of his life. And obviously there was no reason for

him to suffer this heart attack, no, no prior sort

of ill health. And when after the heart attack, after examination,

nobody could understand why he had the heart attack. But

he told my friend and I know now as well.

So he lived in a semi detached council property. I'm

not gonna away this guy's really it's really shook him up.

But it's in East Yorkshire, living at home, late twenties,

comes home, goes as his meal, evening meal, probably with

his mum, and dad goes upstairs to listen to music

or play on his iPad or whatever. Night arrives and

he goes to sleep. He goes to bed, and he's

in bed three bedroomed suburban council house, semi detached house

in a village, actually in a village, but I don't

have to say what village it's in. I don't think

anybody's gonna hear this who knows him. But I just

want to be fair to the guy and that is

in that mode of not quite asleep and half awake,

his rooms in darkness, and suddenly if he wakes and

he feels uneasy, looks into the darkness and the people.

I've struggle with this one as well, but I've heard

the story firsthand, and he claims that something that he

can only describe as a Nubis in dress as well.

I'm not talking about just in appearance, facially walked through

the wall into his bedroom, an upstairs bedroom. Following it

was another one. And picture this. It's a you know,

we're not talking about some long corridor. We're talking about

a room probably tops four meters by three and a

half meters, and you know, and it walked past his bed,

and the first one walked straight out of the wall,

and the second one stopped before walking out of the

through the wall. This guy's frozen in fear, he said.

And it turned and looked at him, walked to his

bed and plunged its hand into his chest. And I

don't mean physically as in seeing all the gore. It

literally said that the hand went into his chest and

at that moment he had an art and the rest

is history. That's the story true, you know. So you know,

we touched on a new BIS and we you know,

some of these stories I've never heard before or since.

You know, you know, I've got so many of them, Steve,

you know, let's just jump from the dog man, the

stroke the were wolf temporarily if I can, because this

one's in my mind, because I've recently been talking to

both witnesses and I think we're going back to the

nineteen nineties, and this man was in a relationship with

a lady we'll call us Sue. That weren't a name,

but that's what we'll call her, and is in a

relationship with Sue. And whilst in this property there's activity,

there's sort of spirit portergeist weird activity, and he's aware

of it, and this lady's aware of it. It doesn't

talk about it much, doesn't bring it up much, but

he keeps It's almost I've noticed with the poltergeist phenomena,

it's almost as though when our awareness grows that this

thing is here, it kind of grows with us. But

that's just a sideshoe. Sorry, people, let me go back

to the story. He said, I'm in bed with this

lady one one night and I wake up in the

night and something is dragging me out of the bed,

he says, And I'm kicking and screaming and she's asleep.

She doesn't wake up, and I see it temporarily, and

it's a fully formed black figure with a He calls

it the sand Down Port Man. So if anybody's seen

the bottles of port with the man on sand Down Port,

he said it was big, broad shoulders with her like

a pointy hat, but just black, no facial features, nothing,

and it disappeared, he said. After that, he said, you know,

I told her that something had happened, and she said

to me, you've seen it, haven't you. You've seen it?

He said, yeah, And he said no, she said, and

she took me outside. And this isn't the main core

of the story, Steve, but we'll get to that, he said.

She took me outside and said, give me some chalk.

She said, draw it on the pavement, on the paving slab.

Draw it. So as I started to draw it, she

said stop, and she started to rub it out with

her foot. She said, you've seen it. You've seen it.

That's all. Well. A short time after, and not because

of this, they split up, and sometime after that, this

guy formed another relationship with another lady who was slightly disabled.

And that plays into what we're talking about in a moment,

he said, But that thing followed me. That thing, whatever

it was, left that woman, or if it didn't, she

never told me it stayed with her, because it followed me,

he said. And I kept seeing a glimpse of it

inside my new partner's home. I kept He says, I

could walk through a doorway and feel the electricity of it.

It was near me. Said, but I never said anything

to her, want to frighten her. And she said, but

I could, He said, I just in my peripheral, I'd

see it. He said, you know this this built and

this built is. And then this particular day, we'd been

out and we pulled up outside of property and she's

in a wheelchair, and she said, I'll go in, Mel.

I don't mind saying this guy's name, it will mels

In Melvin. He says, I'll go in, Mel, but we

need some milk. You go get some milk, will you?

And she let herself into her property. Uh, And there'd

been poltergeist type activity, which she still didn't let on,

you know, as in the electric blinds were opening and

shutting on their own, and all sorts of things were happening.

So I come back. When I came back after bringing

getting the milk, he said, she's literally slewed on the

side of the wheelchair, her airs all in disarray, she's crying,

she's in her right state. And he asked to what's

what's wrong. What's the matter. What's the matter, says you're

not gonna believe it. Mell, You're not gonna leave it.

She said, this thing appeared. Oh, he'd been out that day.

Sorry for drawing back people, he'd been out that day.

And it bought her a ring. Spent a lot of

money on a lovely ring. It was almost as though

this thing was angry because she was happy. That's how

he how he'd sort of rational rationalized this, He said,

her airs in disarray. She's on side in a wheelchair, crying,

and she said, this thing appeared, this huge black figure

with a pointed black hat, and it's been spinning me

around in the chair, mel spinning me round and round.

It's terrified me. And you know, he told her, then

you know what what had happened and how he perceived

that he'd seen it in a bungalow preer prior to that.

And I don't know. After a while, this this energy

or whatever this thing was, it kind of dissipated. But

that's just another quirky story. And I'm sorry people. If

we were into the dog Man's stroke Werewolf type of counts,

now jump.

Speaker 1: Again in the name of the show, everything out there.

So we're hitting all the marks today now, you mentioned

that was in Sandown. Is that on the Isle of Light?

Speaker 3: Well, I know what I mentioned. There's a drink port

here in the UK that we can buy and on

the label of the port bottle, you've got the Sandown

Port it's called and there's a label of a black

figure and that's what Melvin said it looked like. So

anybody who wants to get an idea of what this

figure looked like, just type in Sanddown Port as in

the drink and you will see the Sandown Port man.

The shape of it.

Speaker 2: Everything charged my memory.

Speaker 1: There was a case that I've read about and study about,

fascinated by nineteen seventy three and Sanddown on the Isle

of Light, where some kids encountered what they described as

a cross between a clown, a robot, and an alien. Wow,

it's really strange thing that maybe there's something with that

name here in the States. We have a lot of

things with devil names Diablo, Devil's Canyon, Devil's Tower, things

like that, and there tends to be a lot of

disappearances there as well, a lot of unexplained phenomena that

happens in places of the devil name. I don't know

if it was so named that by the indigenous people

because of the word stuff or if the simple act

of naming that drew things there almost like a topa.

Speaker 2: It could go either way, maybe both of its.

Speaker 3: You're so right, and I want I want to get

back to the White Lady in a moment. But and

whatever direction you want to take me, Steve, But you

talked about the Indigenous people, and you know, I talked

at length quite a few times to a wonderful guy

called Larry Cespooch, a Native American guy, and he lived

near skin Walker and I were interested because of my

research into the Flickstone Werewolf and I wanted to know

his views regarding the skin Walkers, and because I've not

heard from Larry for a few years. But people, if

you want to once again, if you want to research

or have a look into this guy, you'll see a

bit on YouTube about him teaching and preserving the old

ways and the old customs. And he were telling me

that where he lived there was just brought it to

mind as you said that, then, Steve, there was a

place called dead Man's Curve where I think strange things

were seen and bad things happened. Hence the name dead

Man's Curve. But I don't know if you've heard of

Larry or ever spoken to him, but well, well worth

a little bit of research. And this man's a wealth

of knowledge, one of these people you know that is

preserving these ancient stories without a doubt into that.

Speaker 2: Thank you.

Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, here about three miles from where I live, Steve.

And I'm sorry if I've jumped about people, and if

you've made any notes, pulled me back to it, Steve.

But a few miles from where I live, there's an

of course, we're littered with burial mounds, earthworks. Like I said,

we've got Flixed and star Car which is Payolithic, but

there's a Neolithic burial mound, neoly thing. We're going back

probably well we're going back at least three and a

half thousand years. And it cuts what's called Flamboroughhead, which

is a peninsula that juts out into the North Sea.

It cuts it off Bridlington and where I live. Obviously

in ancient times it would have cut it off. Now

there's a road running through it. You know, we're in

modern day. But originally they call it danes Dyke because

originally people believed that it was it had been excavated

and built by the Viking, but in the nineties, I

think it was in the late eighteen hundreds, it was

excavated and worked on by an archaeologist called pitt Rivers.

Sounds like someone from Indiana, Jones done. It's a brilliant name,

but that was his name, pitt Rivers. And pitt Rivers

found thousands and thousands of flint tools and ancient axes

and artifacts that well predated the Vikings and showed that

this is Neolithic. So where am I going with this? Yeah,

there's a lot, some lots of stories and legends attached

to danes Dyke, and none less than the White Lady,

you know. And you can go back hundreds of years

in old books of folklore where people claim to have

seen the White Lady. But in present day, over the

last two or three decades, where people have reported to

me given me their account of what they've seen at

danes Dyke as the White Lady. They've reported a sphere

of white light and they've been walking, I don't know,

through the dyke in the in the night, and you know,

it's a woodland, it's a small woodland, quite dense, and

you know, and there's no population of people there, there's

nothing there. It's in the summertime it looks idyllic, but

like every woodland or forest, it takes on a different

persona when nightfalls. And they've seen lights passing through the

trees at various heights and not the torch beams. And

so they've come back and said, we think we've seen

the white Lady. And I don't know whether that applies

over where you're doing the research, Steve, if anybody's looked

into it, is he actually a white lady? Because along

the cliff tops, probably less than a mile a mile

and a half from where danes Dyke is, there's a

lot of anglers who fished these cliff tops. Time tied dependent,

they'll fish these cliff tops, but during the night they'll

say that they've seen what's called the Ghost of Big Railings.

And there's a stand where people look out to see

and actually named Big Railings, and they've seen a sphere

of white light on the stand and sort of walked

up to where this is and there's nothing there, and

it's not just one fisherman that's seen it, and the

fishermen have named it the ghost of Big Railings, and

they believe that it's a fisherman with a headlight on

single circular headlight. So what we're doing as humans, we're

attaching a body to a sphere of light, a light form.

Perhaps I could be wrong, but we've got the ghost

of Big Railings. We've got the White Lady staying in

danes Dyke if I may. At the side of danes Dyke,

there's a there's a golf course called the Lynx Golf Course,

and I recently wrote about what I've called the Lynx Monster,

because that's quite what That's how it was told to me.

This young guy contacted me about six months ago to

tell me that when back in about two thousand and seven,

he worked at a local supermarket in Bridlington. He said,

one of the managers there once was stood outside. They

were having cigarette or having a break. He said. The

manager stood talking to some of the younger guys. You

would be stacking the shelves and things. He said. He

had just left school and it wore a fill in

job until he went to university. He said this talking,

he said, he suddenly said I've seen a monster, he said,

and we all I kind of stopped and listened because

this is somebody in a higher position than us, this

is management, said, and we're listening to him and he said, yeah,

he said, our on golf course with a friend, he said,

side of danes Dyke and I saw a monster, he said,

and we all laughed at him, he said, we just laughed,

and it kind of it really upset him. You know,

this is somebody superior who they're supposed to have respect for,

and he's told them something in what he thinks he

is in confidence or thinks he's going to be taking seriously.

They laughed at him and he shut down. He wouldn't

talk to them about it after that. But this guy,

then six months ago, the one who was back in

two thousand and seven, was a young shelf stacker at

the supermarket, contacted me to say, you know, the more

I've thought about it over the years, I realized that

this guy actually did see something, and I'm going to

try and contact him for you. Well, we tried, me

and me and this young fella called Ben who first

gave me the story. We tried and tried. You know,

I went up to the supermarket because obviously we're going

back to two thousand and seven, trying to trace this man,

and we'd only got his first name. So we gathered

it together and eventually I found out where this man worked,

and he worked about fifteen miles away at a garage,

of all places. When we have finally traced him, I

got to speak to him and I relaid the story

that I've just told you guys now about him as

a younger man telling a group of younger men about

seeing a monster. I won't show what response I'm going

to get. And he said, yeah, he says, I did

see something, he said, but I don't want to tell

you at the moment. Can I think about this for

a bit and then I'll get back to you. And

about three weeks past, and I thought, well, this is

the end of it. We're not going to hear anymore.

But he got in touch and here's the story and

another one Steve, a bit like the pixelating man on

the beach. It's one I've never heard before. He said.

He said the year was not two thousand and seven,

despite the fact that I probably told those guys in

two thousand and seven. He said, I think it was

between two thousand and two thousand and one. So I've

been at work all day. It was winter, he said.

We'd finished work, made a friend and I borrowed my

dad's car, and I drove to the Lynx golf course

in my dad's car, and we decided to go on

the driving rain. To describe the driving range, you guys

probably already know, but it was an oblong area trees

to the right, trees to the left, and the trees

to the bottom, obviously for protection from these eigeh velocity

golf balls that are getting fired down this range. It said.

In the distance, you've got boards fifty yards, hundred yards,

one hundred and fifty and so forth. You know, it's

not a long story of this, but it's creepy, he said.

It's not quite dark, but it's the evening time and

we're sort of enjoying work playing with these golf balls. Said,

I noticed something white to the right hand side in

the tree line, and it just caught my attention, but

you know, nothing to sort of stop and go, what

the hell's that? Could have been another man in a

white shirt, for all he knew, he said, And then

it came out of the tree line about one hundred

yards down and I stopped absolutely rigid to the spot

because what I was looking at, apart from having two

legs and two arms and a head, was not human.

They said. The arms were pipe like. There's no elbows.

They were literally just from the shoulder down to the wrist.

They're just long, thin arms, no muscularity, nothing. The same

with the legs and and an emaciated body. He didn't say.

He could see ribs, and the head he couldn't see

any eyes. He said. Look, he said, it looked like marble.

That's what he described it as, only he said, if

you could imagine white marble with a slight tinge of gray.

He says. Now, I'm just mesmerized. This thing's on the

edge of the golf course. I can't see eyes, and

it's slowly starting to move out, he said. And at

that point I'd not spoke about it to my friend.

And my friend and I won't swear Steve, but he

started with F and his friend said, what the F

is that? And he said it quietly, he said, And

as soon as he'd said it, this thing stopped. He said. No.

Although I never saw it turn its head, I knew

it was looking at us, he said. I just knew

it was. He said, I don't know how I couldn't

see eyes, but I knew it was looking at us,

he said, fear just enveloped us. Both put the golf

clubs away, jumped in Dad's car and drove home. So

that is the story of the Lynx monster.

Speaker 2: And the modern version of that. It kind of reminds

me of the Rake.

Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean how far back, Steve, you'll have

more knowledge of this than me do the story of

the Rake goal.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not really sure.

Speaker 1: Now a lot of people claim it's made up, that

it's creepy pasta, but I believe that it's based in

things that the people I've actually seen. I know people

that have seen a similar creature. So again, is that

a telpa is all these people talking about it and

writing fictitious stories about it? Has that brought it to being?

I'm reminded of Walter Gibson, the guy that wrote the

old Shadow Dime novels and radio scripts. The house that

he'd lived in New York. And this was a man

that had six typewriters, and he would jump from one

typewriter to another, so he never got writer's block.

Speaker 2: I do that with a computer.

Speaker 1: I work on several different stories at the same time.

But literally he had put enough blood, sweat and tears

into this creature. This person Lamark Cranston, who was the

character of the Shadow in the books in the radio

place that it started appearing in his apartment. He had

some guests over for dinner one night and he saw

they saw somebody dressed like the Shadow. He wore like

a drape coat and a slouch hat and a scarf,

and they said, oh, that that's cute. You've hired somebody

to dress up like the Shadow to entertain this here.

They saw him up in the galley above the kitchen

or the dining room, and he said, no, he said,

that's a mental I think he called it a mental

image or mental impression that I see here. And he said,

I've literally put so much blood, sweat and tears, wrote

millions of words in these books and radio plays that

it came to life, and that the apartment that he

lived in in New York, it was featured on the

Holzer Files where they go in and look at places

that hands Holzer talked about. The building itself has had

lots of encounters and phenomena there, but whatever he saw there,

he claimed that it was because he put so much

into this character that it brought it to life. So

there's your Native American topa type character.

Speaker 3: Do you know. I can throw lots of belief my

from myself into what you're talking about, because yeah, UFO

researchers see UFO's ghost Hunter see ghosts, and it makes

you wonder, are we dealing with and I'm throwing this

out loosely to your listeners, are we dealing with one

all encompassing phenomena, one intelligent other that is giving us

what we want? You know, it's as wild as that

might sound, that there may be some some kind of

truth to it. You know, it's I believe. I can't remember.

There was an experiment done where I think it was

a bunch of people created a ghost called Philip, and

that almost took on a life of its own if

a ghost can. So are we creating these these things?

Or is it the phenomena giving us what we want?

Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of both. And because I've

heard of case like that where two people would have

experienced at the same time, one of them saw one

thing and then the one right next to him saw

something else. Or maybe didn't see anything at all. I

think it's able to pull from our subconscious and it's

if it's our fear that it feeds on. It's putting

something there that will scare you, or that will or

the obverse of that would be it's putting something there

that you wouldn't be afraid of, so it can observe you.

And I've thought about my Black Eyed Kids encounter that

I had back in the nineties. I don't even think

that that was two little girls that I saw. I

think it was something projecting itself the little girls, because

the fear and just it's almost like a demonic feeling,

if you will, the energy that was coming off though,

so again I don't I don't think I actually saw

what I thought I saw. And you have that in

UFO like Whitley Strieber and his owls and things like that.

They're screen memories or shadow memories, things that are put

in your brain. And I don't know if the brain

does that to keep it from toly shattering your psyche,

or if whatever this entity or entities are, if they're

putting it in.

Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know it's all speculative, and I could say, well,

I think it's the entities, but I don't end at day.

I don't really know. But while we're on about owls,

I can relate another story now to you from two

thousand and ten. The best the witness can do is

twenty ten to twenty twelve that they think that this

took place, and it's a lady. I'll not It doesn't

matter to your listeners if I don't say the names,

does it? Because you know, I just don't think it's

fair on this lady. She's not said I can use

her name. Yeah, a lady her son.

Speaker 1: Take cases that are anonymous or you know, please don't

tell anybody by name.

Speaker 3: So well, that's what it is, and it's a first

hand account. I've spoken to the people. It's a lady,

her ten year old son and her sister. There were

a fourth person in the car, but we never spoke

about the fourth person. And they're on the back road

into the village that I spoke about her earlier, Manby

Farmstead of the Houndman. They've just come past Hunmanby Hall

and they're on this unlit road, driving down on a

probab approximately thirty degree incline to a small roundabout. It's

not even a roundabout. It's just a white painted circling

road because it's a very narrow road. They're driving this

road down this road lovely starlit night and when you're

on the crest of this road, you can see the

sea in the distance and Hunumby Bay and it's about

two miles away, and they can see something in the sky,

a big black shape with a point on each corner.

So we know we're looking at one of these flying

triangles slowly coming down this road, and this object's coming

towards them, and it's huge. Sister puts the window down

on the car and sits on the rim of the

door looking up at this thing as it's approaching. And

it's low in the sky, monstrously big triangle with a

glass dome or or some glass feature on the top.

No sound, totally silent, and it stops literally momentarily above

the car and then moves away at speed. And then

they say, moves away at great speed, almost in two movements.

The next thing that they become aware of is that

outside the White Swan Pub in Hummanby. Now I realize

your listeners aren't going to know these locations, but it

would take about sixty to ninety seconds by car to

drive to that pub from where they where they are,

but she's lost or they've lost thirty minutes of time.

She kind of comes to as she says, has come

to my senses as two people past the front of

the car, and my son in the back becomes hysterical

and starts screaming, take me home, take me own, now,

take me home. And we did. We took him home.

Me and my sister decided to go back out and

look in the direction in the car where this thing

went traveled to, which would have been I think they said,

Wold Newton. We drove out that way all on late.

There's nothing there but open fields, and Woodland said we

could see a cluster of lights in a field, but

we could never get close to the cluster of lights.

And we kept driving, and every time we sort of

lost sight of them, on a slight brow of a

hill or bend, would see the cluster of lights. And

then suddenly a huge white owl flew at the windscreen

and I hit the curb. The car came to a stop.

We didn't damage the car or ourselves, but when we

restarted the car and set off again, there's no lights

in the field, there's nothing. So a short but sort

of interesting account I feel from farmstead of the houndman Land, Huntmanby,

you know of a triangle sighting and you know, Steve,

I've got lots more cryptid accounts, but and UFO accounts.

So which direction do you want me to go?

Speaker 1: Well, the floor is yours, Paula. You just pick a

direction and go. So you just yourself and I'm sure, well.

Speaker 3: The only reason, the only reason I said that because

I've got the most incredible We're going to talk to

you about some military guys that encountered a werewolf on

the cliff tops on February the seventh, twenty nineteen. But

seen as we're in Huntmanby, I think I'm going to

stay with the Hunmanby incident, which I believe is potentially

one of the biggest stories that's ever to come out

of the United Kingdom, and every time I speak about

it people are interested. So we'll go with Hunmanby. And

if you want a selection of different accounts in as

I'm talking to this, stop me, Steve, and we can

do even more another time. So we're going back now

to nineteen ninety six, ninety seven and ninety eight. And

there's three men who have day jobs working basically with

motor vehicles and sign writing motor vehicles. They have good

day jobs and the in the nineteen nineties, on a

night they used to finish work their day job and

have the tea at home, then drive from Bridlington with

eight miles to Hunmanby and work in this industrial unit,

just the three of them on the on the industrial

unit at Hunmanby, an half brick building with corrugated sheets

all around the top. I'll give a description of the building.

Huge roller shutter doors front and back, big enough to

put driver a double decker bus in and park several

of these inside it, and a small door at the side.

All of these things are important to the story. Got

to paint the pictury of people. And a big compound

out with the back. And and I'm going to name

two other men, Andrew and Dave. The third one I've

spoken to. I've sat and spoke to him for hours,

but he does not want his name using. So in June,

July and August of ninety six, ninety seven and ninety eight,

strange things began to happen. These guys have got no

interest in the paranormal David was, excuse me. Andrew was

the first to notice it. He said, he came to

the unit after work, after his day job one night,

and just to describe a bit more of the unit.

In the bottom right hand corner, there was a toilet book,

a small toilet block. On top of that was the

boss's office. This is witness number three. I won't talk,

I won't name, and a flight of stairs running up

to his office, and above that a dark area of

about four foot where before you got to the main

roof of the building, he said. On top of that

there was light bulbs and boxes of washers and nuts

and bolts, he said, because before they took it over

it was an engineering works, so there were bits of

washers and bolts all over the place, little half filled boxers,

he said. I'm preparing a car, and I'm rubbing a

car down, he said. All lit up the building, he said,

and suddenly I just caught it out of peripheral, he said,

A piece of would come off top of this office

block is boss's office. I went straight past my head

and it flow, he says. Now looks, he said, there's

only me here. I know, he said, because boss has

a bit of a prankster. Hease up there and he's

acting about and he he said, I just pretended I

weren't bothered and carried on preparing this car. Then a

light bulb come off top. What the hell is it?

Kind of puzzled, he said, trying to keep a smile

on my face. They're not going to wind me up,

whoever it is. And I mean, and it's coming from

the top of this dark void between the office and

the ceiling, says. Ten minutes later, David and the Boss

walked through the front door, through this little side door,

he says. So I told them what had happened, and

they all said, oh, well, you're silly, devil, you're imagining it.

Nobody else is here. There's only oos here, he says.

And then we're all together talking and smack, he said,

something inside a building on inside, and then we heard

the tinkle and a washer had it the side of

the building, a steel washer. Then another one, he said,

and then so this is Dune July, and August said, So.

Then it built up and we were all becoming aware

of it, all three of us, he said, And you'd

walk down down to the front of the to the

back of the building's apologies to the back of the building.

And suddenly an handful of gravel would fall in front

of your eyes. And there's no apart from the office block,

which is in the bottom right hand corner, and only

that's probably ten foot by ten foot in this huge

building that you can drive an Arctic wagging in or

a double decker bus. There's no other flaws to the building.

We'd walk down and suddenly a coins had drop in

front of your eyes, says, and you pick them up,

and it's old money. It's our foreign money, so we

can't understand it. And it just builds and builds. And

the compound at the back was so big that they

let part of the compound off to a guy who

wanted to buy old caravans and strip them down and

sell parts. He said, So we started clearing this bit

of land and we found an old grave marker, a

wooden one made out of hardwood, and it had an

inscription on it. If they can't remember name, but it

was a young girl, and it was from a little girl,

and it was from the eighteen hundreds, he said. We

attributed all this strange spooky behavior the washers flying about

to a poltergeist, and we thought it was the poltergeist

or the ghost of this young girl. We really did that.

We didn't think anything else. And I'll sort of walk

us through this, he said, And then towards the end

of August it petered out. Other things had happened, light

bulbs would suddenly blow. But there's more. We'll get to

all this, Steve, and I am condensing it because I

want to fit more stories in the strange and unusual

for your listeners. So nineteen ninety seven comes and there's

more of the same. June, July and August for some

reason said I'm working on an open top bus one evening,

and Andrews relay most of the stories, and he said,

suddenly all the lights just go very very bright in

the unit, and a strip light above the bus falls

into the top of the bus. Now we realize that

these things can happen, it said. But all the power cuts,

all the lights went off, but the radio that was

plugged in and didn't have batteries continued to play, so

that that kind of threw us. Said, we we'd go

outside to our vehicles, and they explained that they've got

there about six on an evening most evenings, and they'd

work till ten or eleven, then go home do the

day job, then go back the next day. And on

a weekend they might still to stay till three am,

you know. So we'd go to our cars on a

night and we'd lock the compound so that nobody could

sort of get into the compound while we were working.

And we're going back to the nineteen nineties. If anybody

wants to google the industrial estate at Hunmanby, you will

see now that there's still only about fifteen to twenty

units on it. They were about four or five in

the nineteen nineties. It's very close to what's called the

Spirit of Yorkshire where they make whiskey. So I'm just

giving people reference points in case they are remotely interested. Said,

so we locked the compound, go to our cars on

a night to go home, and there's little triangular mounds

of gravel on the bonnets of the cars. We can't

work it out. We go out another time. There's moisture

or the smattering of frost on the on the cars

and there'd be huge footprints on the boot, on the roof,

on the bonnet of the cars. Far too big, not

to dint the cars, but there's footprints, huge barefoot footprints

on the bonnets. So then I got talking to the

two of the boss, who doesn't want to be named,

because I spoke to them all individually, and there's a

lot of years and a lot of water ran under

the bridge between these guys talking to each other. I'll

give you a breakdown of how I come to find

out about the story in a moment, and is relaying

just about what the other two, Andrew and David have

told me. He said. But there's one night the other

two had gone home. It's my premises. So I decided

I was locking obviously going to go home after them,

and I locked up, and I've just got to the gates.

It's not even flood lit, and there's a big steel

fence around it, about eight foot tour with spikes on top.

So I just got this terrible feeling of fear, and

I turned round and looked in. About eight to ten

foot away from me, there's this huge outline of a

monstrous creature on two legs. Don't see fur, don't see eyes.

I just see this black outline of this huge shoulders

head on top of this thing's just enormous, and I

can just see it, he says. And I just go

back to the fence and I'm breathing here people, he said,

I went. I just pressed myself to the fence in fear,

he said. And it just turned and walked into the night.

And all of this is happening. All of this, this

strangeness is happening, and I I've written about it in

book three. There's literally tons more to Hunmanby. So nineteen

ninety eight comes and there's the build up June July.

Everything's the same. They tell people. You know, people come

to buy part to pick their vehicles up, people who

come to have a job priced up, and things are

happening while they're telling people, he said, it became almost

nonchalant to us. He said it. A was sat in

the front of a recovery truck one day and the

big and wide with a big wide seat, and we've

sort of working out a price to sign write his

recovery truck. And suddenly there's a huge track on the

side of the building and then you can near the

tinkling of washers, he says. The blow. The guy who's

truck it was said, what was that, he said, and

we'd just say that's poltergeist. He said. It just became

the norm. We were sort of condition to it. But

then Andrew started to get before we get to ninety eight,

I've missed a piece out, Andrew said. I started to

get really cocky and aggressive towards it. He said. The

other two had told me not to taunt it, not

to wind it up. He said, when the coins would

drop in front of your face, I would shout out,

if you're so powerful, give me some money I can spend,

or if you're so good, give me the lottery numbers.

He said. They warned me and warned me not to

torn the phenomena, whatever this was, he says. And I'm

working on her vehicle one day and I just turned round,

he said, and coming towards me in slow motion is

a coin full circle on not sideways. He said, it's

almost slow said. I watched it, and he said it

hit me, banging the forehead. He said, it really hurt.

He said, I dropped to the floor, and the other

two relaid the story. They were laughing when they told me.

They said it's spinning around, saying I've been hit. I've

been hit, and he when he sort of showed them

his head. And Andrew said, this is true. He said,

I'd got this red circle in the middle of my

head that lasted several days, so it shows intent with

whatever this thing was. So what I didn't tell you

at the beginning of this is that David, the other witness,

he's got memories of driving to Hunmanby and seeing a

flash of light in the sky where everything comes daylight

for a split second, and in his words, and they

allowed me to record them. Steve as well, well, the

two of them did. The other one didn't. He said,

you know when you've been somewhere, you know when you've

worked somewhere. He said, But I've got a memory of

the flash of light, but I've got no memory of anything.

I don't remember going to the building. I don't remember

getting home. Andrew's got memories of the flash of light

as well. So there's those things in between. But on

a night, occasionally a few times a week, because they

went at least five or six days a week, David's

mum and dad, because he was the youngest of these

three men, used to come through. Andrew says he thinks

they were probably a bit bored, and they'd come through

and stand and talk to the boss and things, and

they'd bring their son a flask of tea or something,

although I imagine there would have been a kettle and

tea making facilities, but they'd stand and talk. So they

come into what I'm going to tell you next. That's

why I fitted them into the story because and they

also witnessed the phenomena, whatever this phenomena was, and I'm

skirted around. There was just so much of it. So

nineteen ninety eight August nineteen ninety eight, this particular, a

few days before, the boss is out in the yard

and he's having a cigarette, and there's there's a bus

breaker's yard about a few days units down where they

take old busses to bits and sell parts. And they'd

come up and they stood talking to him and coming

from the sea, and there's not far from where this

lady who saw the triangle with the sister saw the triangle.

All the hers was twenty ten to twenty twelve, he said,

And this is nineteen ninety eight people, he said, there's

three huge black triangles coming towards us. They're blocking out

the stars. There's no lights on each corner. They're blacker

than anything he's ever seen in his life, but they're

not lit up. And we're just watching these things in

awe and the three side by side. Just as they

get over the top of them where they think they're

going to get the best vantage point, they switch off.

They're not there now. Whether this is almost chameleon like

and they realize they've been seen, or whether this is deliberate,

I guess we'll never know. But the boss relaid this

story to me when I was researching it. After finding

out about it, probably in twenty seventeen twenty sixteen seventeen,

I went to the bus breakers yard, which is still there. Well,

the unit they had their experiences in is still there,

but it's use for a different purpose now. And I've

been there as well. And the guys at the bus

breakers yard, some of them still work there and they

remember all of this, which is interesting. So where are

we they They're seen the triangles a few days before,

and then they're working this particular evening in this big

industrial sort of warehouse unit type place. The roller shutters

at the back are up about six to eight foot.

And Andrews said, I walked to the roller shutters, and

I walked down to the bottom and in the distance,

probably thirty to forty yards away, there's a UFO, he said,

I've never seen. It's interesting speaking to Andrew. I could

speak to him tonight. This is how crazy this story is.

He lives two hundred yards from me, and I've known

him for twenty years and I only found out about

this in twenty seventeen. People, and I'll give you my

reasons in a moment. Obviously they didn't want it reviving,

he said. And I'm looking and he says, there's all

missed around it. I said, how big was it?

Speaker 2: Andrew?

Speaker 3: He says, about as long as a flatbed truck what

you would put a car on. He said, But it

can't have been real, and he's still saying it. He

says it what a film set? He said. It can't

have been real, can it? I said, So, what about

all other stuff that took place ninety six, seven and eight,

Oh yeah, that were real? What about the coin that

you in the head? Yeah?

Speaker 2: Yeah?

Speaker 3: And the other stuff that you've told me that you've

asked me not to tell people because it doesn't incriminate anyone.

Nobody's done anything wrong here. People, but it just some

of some of the things are a little bit sensitive.

And oh yeah, all that was real, I said, So

why in this real? He said, it just he said,

I can't believe what I were looking at. He said,

there's all mist and lightning coming from it. He said,

all flashes of light that look electrical. And on the

top of it, he says, it's a typical flying saucer

from nineteen sixties. He said, there's a bubble and there's

this little being inside it, and I can see it.

It's moving about, he said. And then the next thing

I know, I'm walking back to the front of the building,

and I opened the side door at the front and

a guy dressed in black and in full military kit,

grabs hold of me, drops me to the floor, is armed,

swears profusely at me, threatens me, shakes me. Don't eff

in move, You stay where you are. If you know

what's good for you, you don't move. And I've got

all this on recording, and Andrew's saying, you know, proper

nasty whatever swear words, and he said, frighten me to death.

So then I interviewed Dave on his own and remember

these guys from nineteen ninety eight to twenty seventeen. Two

of them at least hadn't spoken for like twelve years.

So anyway, I interviewed David and we jump in his

truck and we drive to hum and Be and I

record him telling me all the events, and I said,

and I wait, I deliberately wait with the UFO part

of the story, because that, to me was the icing

on the cake. And I said, what about the UFO.

Oh yeah, yeah, there were definitely something there, he said,

And his words were, I'll give you that. And what

I've got Steve, I've got quite good recall, and I

can usually remember what people say. I don't mean word

for word, but fairly close. And I remember him saying,

I'll give you that. Yeah, it were there. I said,

so did you see the dome on top then? And

the actual shape of it? And it describes it and

it weren't with Andrew, but it was the same night.

And all of them find this bit odd. They don't

remember being with each other. He said, no, he said,

I was looking down from roller shutter doors and I

could see three beings and if they've got clothes on,

he said, they were wet suits. He said, because I

just couldn't see any evidence of clothes, and the heads

were slightly larger than ours, and they were very thin.

And the next thing I remember is I'm walking to

the front of the building and I opened the side

door and the military guy grabs hold of me, throws

me to the floor and threatens me. Absolutely frightened the

life out of me. So I speak to Witness number

three now, who doesn't want to be named. I know

all of this. I'm armed with all of this information,

and all I've got is his number because the other

two haven't spoke to him for years, but they've got

his number. This guy was devastated when I rang him

and wanted to speak about this, absolutely devastated, but nevertheless

I pursued it. I went and dropped a book off

at his home to let him know I will hopefully

tell him I were genuine, And you know, I'd promised

him I wouldn't reveal his name, and I haven't done.

When he begins to tell me this story, Andrew did

tell me that he ah one bit that Andrew would

had not told you guys. Before Andrew walked to the

front of the building, he said he observed witness number three,

as we'll call him, walking down to the craft, walking

down to the UFO and disappearing into the mists. So

that was that part which I had forgot to tell

you guys. So we're jumping back to witness number three,

and I let him tell me everything about what had happened.

The radio playing without batteries in changing channels, the light

bulbs flaring and smashing, the coins, the gravel dropping to

the ground. It was the witness number three that told

me about the big foot type creature. They didn't tell

me that, and the host of other things including if

we're okay for time, Steve, I hope we are, including

the cars in the compound the back that were waiting

to be repaired, and the fact that they took batteries

out of the cars so that they didn't get stolen.

And the radio is playing in the cars on a night,

and somebody who was using the caravan breaking yard as

a home you were actually staying there, falling out with

the boss saying, you know, can you stop the horns

bipping on a night? And the radio is playing on

a night because it's driving me mad, And all of

this excited this poltergeist type activity. So I got all

of the story from the boss, and then I asked

him about the UFO and he admitted that he'd seen

the UFO. He'd seen one being outside of the UFO.

And then my last question was and Andrew said that

he saw you walking down to it. And he said

he'd got no recollection of that, none at all, and

have no reason to disbelieve him, but that's what he

told me. And then he walked to the front of

the building and incredibly, he was grabbed by military personnel

dressed in head to toe in black, including the faces covered,

and dropped to the floor. So that is Hummanby. We've

got one more element to go with this. Steve Dave's

mum and dad, who used to visit every night, drove

to to see their son and the two guys in

the compound and was stopped on the road by a

military roadblock. But when we say military, everything was black

black land drove as black vans. They were removed from

the vehicle, dragged into the back of the van, shown

pictures and evidence that showed them that they knew everything

about them, all they were about everything, told them not

to talk about anything that they're going to be told

keep their mouths shut, basically frightened them to death. And

I've really condensed Hummby because I've been on a few

podcasts and spent two hours just talking about Humanby. So

I hope that's given your listeners the story in a

condensed form.

Speaker 2: Steve.

Speaker 1: Now that's brilliant and even condensed. You've got all the

details in there. And I just have to say your

recall is amazing.

Speaker 3: Thank you. And we can carry on, Steve if you want,

or you know I can. I've got loads to tell.

Speaker 1: Yeah, take a story and go with I said, I'm

loving all these and I'm sure my listeners will too.

Speaker 3: Well, let's just jump back to the cliff tops of

Bemon and Speeding, which are three to four miles from

where I live and where I do most of my research.

And I've called this the three par of Werewolf because

it was two military guys, obviously former soldiers, who had

gone on February the seventh, twenty nineteen to Bempton Cliffs.

There's a huge seabird colony there, the biggest gannet population

in the United Kingdom, and lots of people go. But

they'd gone to do a bit of wild camping and

the keen bird enthusiasts, and they wanted to see the

peregrine falcons which are up there as well, in full

flight early the next morning, so they arrived late and

they entre intend doing a late night walk on the

cliff tops as part of this adventure. They've both done

to us overseas and seen conflict. So that's kind of

figures in what I'm going to tell you. And the

first thing that Rob says to me, and I've not

I've not I'm not going to name the other one,

but I've spoke to Rob extensively and has allowed me

to record him. I always say that because sometimes I'll

play these recordings if I've got them to hand. He said,

the air, he said, I need to tell you now,

the air was elect He said it absolutely. Bristolin. He said,

we should have known. We should have known then that

something was wrong. Now there's nothing here people. There's there's

a visitor center for the Seabird Colony, but on a night,

there's nothing. You've got no street lights, you've got no houses,

no habitation. It's on the edge of three hundred foot

sheer cliffs to the North Sea and farmland behind it,

so nothing. So so we're walking down. We took our

two dogs with us, says, and you know it's fenced

off with three bar fends down the side of the cliffs,

he says. And we shone the light and we lit

a pair of yellow eyes up. He said, we're familiar

with deer and fox and badger. These were big eyes

and they just kind of lazily looked away from us.

They didn't seem startled, they said. I looked at my

mate and I said, what the f you know, what

could that be? So we carried on walking, and we're

walking down, he said all the time, he says, And

it's unusual. Thing is the dogs are by our sides.

They're not they're not trying to just wander off and

sniff around in the darkness. They're tight tours. So then

we come to a viewing platform and we stand on

that looking out to see, and then we're shone torking,

and we lit the eyes up again a little bit closer,

and he said, we should have known something weren't right.

So we carried on walking and we come to two

gate posts. Well they're not actually gate post people. It's

a style that's had the middle bit removed, so you've

got these big sort of eight by eight pieces of

wood into the ground. He said. We went through these posts,

and they said in about twelve foot in front of us.

We shone the light and he said, I ain't got

a point of reference for what I was looking at.

He says. The dogs were terrified, he said, And this

thing was hunkered down. He said, I thought it was

a hyena at first, he said, I'm looking at this thing.

He said. We just can't move, he said, And then

it stood up, and I can hear him now saying.

It stood up on two legs. He said, and it's

got the really freaky thing. He said. It had one

arm under its chest, and he added clavicles. I always

asked this. Did he have the rib cage and the

bone structure of a dog or or a human, and

it added clavitals. It had a chest like a human wood.

He said. He had one hand under its chest, and

its finger was to the side, not to them where

you like, where you would wave your finger and point

sort of go come here and beckon. But it were

doing it to the side, he says, and we fixed

on it. He said, my friend in the end hit

me on the side and we slowly backed away, and

they're within feet of this thing, you know, within eight

to ten feet of this thing. He said. We got

in our vehicles and we did a runner and we

did not come. I'll never come back, he said, I'll

never be back. He contacted me a lot, probably like

a lot of your accounts. The way that they come

is that people are listening for clues and explanations to

what they've seen themselves. And he'd heard me talking about

some of the werewolf accounts from the brox Of Forest,

which is not far away, and that's why this guy

contacted me. But what's interesting, Steve, what's fascinating about this?

It was February the seventh, twenty nineteen. On February the eighth,

twenty twenty, I went to the cliff Tops and I

was about five hundred yards from that location, and I

went with an old guy called Bob Brown, a good

friend of mine and one of my daughters, Gemma was

no interest really in the paranormal, but she was staying

with us till she moved house. And there were two choices.

She could either sit at home and watch TV. So

with the mum or. She jumped in car with me

and Boba went to cliff tops, and that's what she chose.

I'm setting cameras up on the edge of the cliff tops,

expensive cameras, have took them everywhere with me, and I've

put a heavy sheet over because there's loads of moisture

in the air. And I'm doing that and I heard

Gemmer and Bob and Jem's going, what's that, Bob, what

is it? And they shine the torch and I didn't

see it, but they both claimed that they'd lit a square,

a glowing square of white light up on this hillside

about probably eighty yards away. By the time I'd turn around,

they'd become even more animated because when they lit it up,

it dropped to the floor and vanished. I went straight

up to the area of the old side. Remember this

is approximately a year after the paratroopers has had their encounter,

and within five hundred yards of their encounter, so this

is a year later. There's was February seventh. I was

there February eighth. There was nothing there. Later that night

we all got we go home. You know. I set

those cameras up per Steve, probably four or five times

a week, and you can guarantee ninety nine point nine

percent at time. They don't get used. As you know,

and explained, phenomena does not present to order. So we

went home. Jemma stayed up and watched TV when my

wife Mary went to bed. When I get up next morning,

she's When I get up the next morning, Steve, apologies people.

My wife's just brought me a nice cup of tea.

Thank you, Mary. When I get up the next morning,

Jemma says, I nearly called you last night, Dad, I

nearly woke you up. I said why, She said, I

was terrified. What do you mean, Jemmy? She said, well,

I was watching TV, and I tell you the film

even you were watching prison Break. I think it's Sylvester

Stallone's and After twelve. And this room is that we

call it the little snug Room. It's got a room

either side of it, and there's a brick wall behind

it that's adjoined to our property. No others. I'm saying

that to try and cancel out what she heard. She

said that I suddenly heard a noise she had, like thunder,

and I turned the TV down, she says, and right

behind me, right on my shoulder or back of my head.

Something started to Growl said, I could feel like when

you go to a rock concert. I could feel all

my organs inside reverberating. I think she said vibrating. I'm

adding the word reverberating here. Guys said it was terrifying.

I were absolutely terrified. And just like we talked, you've

heard people talk about skin walker and bringing back attachments.

I believe that Jemma that that night took something back

with her from those cliff tops. You know, I know

it's all open for debate, and I know that they'll

be people from a scientific background and people from academia

whoill want to find explanations for what I talk about. Steve,

for what you talk about. But unfortunately it must be

frustrating for him because so far they've not found any

and the reports keep coming. So I can go on

and on, Steve, it's and tell it up to you.

I just go well, for these things.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm loving this and that low gurro grou. I mean,

if it's enough that you can feel it, that's something

that's not you know, a TV or a radio or

it had been so lowed. Everybody in the neighborhood would

have heard.

Speaker 3: It, well, she said, she can't believe I didn't hear it. Now,

you know, well, if we stay on that hillside, and

you know, certain locations within the zones of high strangeness

produce even more of a it's almost like the best

part of a meal, you do know what I mean.

It's they're more prolific and more rich in the phenomena.

And this hillside back in nineteen ninety eight. And it's

interesting that I had just been talking about nineteen ninety

eight with the landed UFO, but that was August. Back

in November of nineteen ninety eight, the same hillside we've

just discussed with the Square of Light that Gemma. Bob

Brown saw a group of rock anglers saw a spaceship

land So how did I get this account. I'm up

on the cliff tops late one night, same guy, Bob Brown,

and there's a group of fishermen up on those cliff tops.

These guys people. The cliffs range from two hundred feet

to four hundred and twenty at the tallest, and its

sheer rock face and they fish off the top down

into the North Sea, believe it or not, And they

managed to catch cordon all sorts and pull them up

these cliffs. So we're fishing. We're up there on the

cliff tops one night and we see a rock angler,

and only rock angler, with his head light on. And

we sat in the darkness and I don't know, half

an hour an hour later because they only fished tide dependent,

and the tide must have been receding, so they'd had enough.

And he's walking up and I said to Bob, I said,

when he gets a bit closer, because I don't want

to startle him, I'm going to put a light on.

And that's exactly what I did. And this rock angler

sort of pulled up alongside of us with his fishing

rod and his bait, and this will be I don't know,

four or five years ago. Lad's what you're up to.

And I told him. He says, oh, your paul aren't,

And they don't because so a few of them have

shared their accounts with me. I said, yeah. This guy's

called Mick Sigson, quite an old guy. Told me he's

fish the cliff tops back then, he said, for forty

nine years. Man, and boy, he said, I said, oh,

I said, you've seen some unusual things. Then Mick, he said,

well I have Yeah, I said, I said, have you

seen the strange spheres of light that I'm trying to

film tonight that appear? He said he hadn't seen them.

It's fair and he said, but I have seen a

spaceship his exact words. I said, really. He said yeah,

he said landed on that hill over there. And we

turned round the same ill where Jammer and Bob saw

the square of white light. I said, really, he said yeah,

I said it landed on that hill. I said. He

said it were a club match, a fishing match in

November nineteen ninety eight. I'd already been told this story

by the son of one of the fishermen, but I

never included it in anything because it wasn't a first

hand account, and I like first hand accounts, so I

kind of knew what were coming. And he said, yeah,

he said, our fishing and they don't fish together on

the cliff tops. There'll be two to four three hundred

yards apart. There's no you know, and there might only

be eight or nine men from a fishing club, he said.

I turned round, he said, and I thought, what's a

combined harvester doing up there? At this time of year,

he says, And then I realized I can see the land,

and I can see what I thought was the combined harvester,

but I can see sky in a gap of sky

between them. It's what he said, blood, Yeah, because there's

no other that's the highest point. There's no other hills

behind that, so we're not getting confused with a bit

of mist or anything. That hill is the highest point,

he said. The next thing, I can hear some of

the lads shouting, and they've seen it and shouting. Look

at that. What's that? He said? And it slowly starts

to come down on the hill, he said, And before

it lands, there's all sparks coming off the ground. Then

it lands and a circle of flames just goes straight

around it. I says, What did you do? He said?

I packed my gear up what I could, he says,

And I ran, he says, and other lads did. Some

of them left the gear. Well. I had already been

told this, as I said, previously, by the son of

one of the fishermen, And he said his dad left

all his fishing tackle on the cliff tops and ran

and came back the next morning to collect his gear.

So that's nineteen ninety eight. And this hill, this this

sort of hub of activity, has been the place where

I had what I would consider to be my most

incredible sighting apart from my own experiences in childhood, but

my most incredible sighting up there. And the date, gosh,

the date would be November once again. November, Come on, Paul,

November fourteenth, twenty nineteen. And a guy, a good friend

of mine called Lee Haywood, who had heard me talking

about what I call the ILFs, the intelligent light forms.

That's the word I've used for them, Steve, or I

call them.

Speaker 2: I like that you've goed a term there, well, I

have done.

Speaker 3: For years, Steve. So I mean, feel free to quote me,

but you'll not have heard it come from anyone else's mouth.

I left's intelligent light forms. There's another one when people

talk about the ods fact that I call it the

lower silence. You know, all things I've just used in

my books. But right, we'll jump into November fourteenth, twenty nineteen.

Lee Heywood, who was a very very switched on guy,

very very really intelligent man, and he's not a bad guy,

but he wanted to find an explanation for the lights.

I'd been filming, and he thought we could find a

conventional explanation, and I'd got it wrong, basically, but I

likely because he weren't saying it's sarcastically or condescending. So

that night I picked him up and we drove to

the Cliff Tops November the fourteenth. And it is quite

a long story, this one, but we'll go with it.

We're driving up Cliff Lane, which is the only road

to the Cliff Tops. It's just under a mile long,

and at the end of it you've got the visitor

center and you've got nothing else for miles around. As

I've said previously, he says, come on. Then Paul described

the lights, what do they look like? And as I'm

talking to him, out over the sea and orange light appears,

doesn't fly from anywhere. And I've got four girls, and

people might frown on people for saying this, but it's

the truth. This is on my girl's life. That's how

it happened. I said like that. I said like that,

and he looked and he never said anything, and then

it just switched off. So we got to the cliff,

parked the car, walked down to the Cliff Tops, Paul

has in myself set the cameras up. As I've described,

I do put some heavy cloths over them because of

the moisture, and we begin to talk and over the

course of that night, and I'm sure these things present

for certain people, and I'm sure it were full lee

they presented. I think it was three times at various

and we'd see them. You'd see one appear and they

almost look like tangerines, the little oranges. And they're not

emitting light. That's the thing. They're vibrant, they're bright. But

so what do I mean by that? They're not illuminating

the area around them. If so, if it was a flair,

the whole idea of a flair, people is to illuminate

the sky around them or the ground, so that they

can see a boat in distress or someone who's missing.

These things don't emit light, but they are bright, so

one would light up. It doesn't fly from nowhere, bang

bang bang, It lights into three by the time you've

switched the camera on and pulled it round. Because I

haven't got the luxury of having some office up there

with I can have cameras running all the time. They've

switched off they've gone, and that's what we're happening. So

I started talking to Lee. Then, you know, we're talking

about various things. He's baffled, He's admitted he doesn't know

what they are. Lee's gun armed, He's goun armed. We

will aircraft are in the sky. What no times are

on As in military exercises, you can even tell you

names of the boats out at sea. And from the

altitude we were at, I could tell Lee that we

we were looking at I think it was seventeen miles

to the horizon from the altitude of approximately two hundred

and eighty foot cliffs, so we were armed with the information.

I turned round to speak to Lee, and it obviously

stood behind me, and I'm just absolutely stunned by what

I see because just the brow of the hill, which

we've just been talking about, is the most massive ball

of orange light. And I'm swearing apologists people, but I was.

And I pulled the camera around, ripped the cover off it,

turned it on. Lee's looking at it, and as I'm

this camera's going to take it. So Sony n X, yeah,

an X eighty. You know they're not the most expensive camera,

but you're still looking at a few thousand pounds worth

of camera takes a few seconds to start up. As

I'm doing that, it's just imploded and gone. It's disappeared.

Lee described the the influence the light was giving off

as the size of a Volkswagen beakle. It was huge

on the just in the it was below the brow

of the hills, and we're in that field on the

edge of the cliff tops. It was in the field

with us. But this story doesn't end there. Stephen, if

off time, I'd like to just elaborate and go on

a little bit further.

Speaker 2: If that's please continue.

Speaker 3: Yes, this so this is Lee's me relaying mine and

Lee He's sighting of November fourteenth, twenty nineteen. Now let's

jump forward to COVID and it relates to this story.

So there's lockdown, people can't go out allegedly, and you

know the countries, so to on hold, and I decide

that I'm going to contact one of the local farmers

I know and see whether we can walk across his

farmland which adjoins the cliff Tops, will lower down than

where many people would go, and set the cameras up

and observe the sea. And I we're going to take

Bob Brown with me. And Bob we have some flats

and Bob lives in our top flat, so it's not

like we were breaking any rules. So fair enough, Me

and Bob go down. It's late evening, it's not quite dark,

and this is during COVID. Set the cameras open whilst

we're down there, and it will relate to twenty nineteen people,

so please bear with me. So while we're down there,

this man walks down the same path as us, and

he's got a gun dog with him, a pointer dog,

pointer gun dog and evening lads even in a nice

relaxing time words to that effect. He says to us

and we say yeah, he said I heard looking for

the seabirds, and I just nod. I'm not telling him

we're looking for UFOs or anything unusual, because usually kind

of conversations lead into a bit of sarcasm. We've all

experienced it. So he wanders off just undren hour later.

He comes back, but it's now dark and we're still

sat there, so he knows we're not looking at seabirds,

so he asks us what we're doing, so I tell

him I'm trying to film these lights hopefully I'm hoping to,

you know, get them on film. And he explains to

me that he lived about three miles away in a

village called Reton. And if you've heard me speak earlier,

there's another village called Speton, the next to each other.

There's just an R and an S that's different in

the in the names. So he lived at Reton, just

in case people you think I've got it wrong, he said.

And I've lived there for years and years, and I've

got windows that look out onto the sea and I've

never seen these lights. Fair enough, Okay, that's not a problem,

so he said, right, okay, then lads, enjoy your night,

and he just sets off to walk away into the darkness,

and Bob Brown says to him, hold on, mate, he says,

have you seen any unusual animals? He says, well, what

do you mean? So what we do if we talk

about the unusual animals? We know that there's been a

big black cat scene up there, which aren't native to

the UK. So Bob said, well, there's been a big

black cat scene. You haven't seen that, have you, he said,

because that's been seen around here. So he comes back.

He tells his dog to sit down. He says. Look,

I'm going to tell you something now, he said. And

I've not even told my wife, he said, No, I

haven't seen the cat, he said. But I didn't expect

to have many a talking about UFOs and strange things tonight.

He said, I'm going to share this story with you.

I'm going to tell you something, he said. It's from

twenty nineteen, and he said, I decided to take my

dog for a walk on the beach at Reton. You

can walk right to Speedon from this beach. Speton then

is about two miles from where we were sat that

night during COVID. But obviously he's going back to twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2: He said.

Speaker 3: It were a lovely, bright night. It was a full

moon and beautiful, crystal clear night. And I'm walking up

the beach, he said. And he looked down at his

dog and said, I tell you this dog's very clever.

He said, I said, what do you mean. He said, Well,

if he sees a rabbit, he has a slightly different

stance to if he sees a pheasant, he said, And

I actually know what he's looking at. I can tell

what kind of game he's actually smelt or seen. He said,

because I understand him, he said. He's a clever dog,

he said, But he suddenly starts looking up the cliffs. Now,

the steepest, the deepest cliffs are at speed and at

four hundred and twenty feet, But where he lived, they

start at a gradient of about twenty degrees and slowly

go forty five forty five and slowly go vertical. And

is it about the forty five degree mark? And he's

near a place called Black Cliff, which is basically it's

all black cloth. And there's loads of stories attached to

Black Cliff that we can do sometimes, Steve. But anyway,

he said, I stopped, and I'm looking at my dog,

and I'm thinking, what the plumming out you've seen?

Speaker 2: Dog?

Speaker 3: Because you're acting very peculiar, said, I can see an

animal halfway up the cliff, and I got my binoculars

out my breast pocket and proceed to look up the cliff.

And I don't know whether it's a big pony or

a donkey. I can't work out what I'm looking at,

he said. And suddenly it's as though it's seen me,

and it stands on two legs, and I can see

in its shape and it said, it's a dog. It's

it's because it's a bloody dog. It's on two legs,

it's lean. And he says, this is funny because I've

touched on this earlier tonight. He says, have you seen

the werewolf from Ary Potter said? He says, well, that's

what it was. That's exactly the outline that I saw.

I said, what did it do? He said, it turned

and ran over the cliff on two legs. So I went,

I've got this amazing story off this guy that we

never expected to get during COVID lockdown. And I went

home googled the full moon in November twenty nineteen, and

it was November twelfth, that is, two days before myself

and Lee Haywood saw the huge sphere of light November fourteenth,

twenty nineteen. We know it's not the exact day. I'd

love it to fit and be at the exact day people,

but it wasn't. But I mean, the time difference is

minimally for me, close.

Speaker 1: Enough in the grand scheme of things that have these

encounters around the same time years apart like that. Well, Paul,

unfortunately we've run out of time here. I'll they only

give me two hours. I could easily do another two

hours with you. But with that said, I'd love for

you to come back and tell us more tales of

the unexplained.

Speaker 3: I would love to. It's been a pleasure, Steve, as always,

and thank you very much, sir.

Speaker 2: Oh, thank you sir.

Speaker 1: And in parting, let the audience knowe where they can

find your channel, your books, your documentaries, anything else that

you've got out there.

Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. Well. The documentariest took us three years

to make. It's called Wolflands and it's all first hand

accounts and covering the areas I've spoken about eastern North

Yorkshire and it's on Amazon Prime. We're proud of Wolflands.

It's stayed in the top one hundred. It's only just

gone out for over twelve weeks, competing against very high end,

eye budget films. The books can be obtained through my

website truthproof dot UK. The paperback versions of the books,

the kindle books are on Amazon and we run a

live stream every Thursday, seven pm UK time, and that's

the truth Proof live stream. And Steve, it's been a pleasure.

Thank you.

Speaker 2: Now, the pleasure was all mine.

Speaker 1: Paul. You are a gentleman and a scholar, and I

appreciate your time. I'll put links to all that in

the show notes, but again, thank you sir. I'm gonna

take us out of here now. Thanks everybody for listening.

I'll see you next time. Have a good evening, everybody.

I'm stay stalked and i'll see a little further on

down the trail.

Speaker 2: Tell your animals I said, Hi. Good night everybody.