Hoover House - HAUNTED Bed & Breakfast Near Gettsyburg, PA

Hoover House - HAUNTED Bed & Breakfast Near Gettsyburg, PA - Join Steve Stockton in a riveting episode of “Everything Out There”, as he welcomes two notable guests, Jim Wyrick from Hoover House, a fascinating B&B near Gettysburg, PA, and renowned paranormalist Sysco Murdoch. They offer an engaging discussion full of unique insights into this revered location’s paranormal activities and historical nuances. Dive into personal accounts, spine-chilling stories, and heartfelt testimonials that reach beyond the mortal life.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton.

Speaker 2: Hello friends, Hello, Hello Steve Stalking And when you're here

it once again on Everything out There on the Clyde

Lewis Ground zero Radio Network. Joining me tonight on the

phone is Jim Wyrick from the Hoover House and also

our friend, the paranormalist cis called Murdoch. They're gonna tell

us some great stories tonight, Jim Cisco, come on in.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Speaker 1: First off, I want to thank you Steve for helping

me get through the technical difficulties not a problem and

just going on for everybody's sakes. We've we've been friends

now for quite a few years and she's been a

wonderful mentor and has helped me develop. I started out

with we had a small paranormal group, a couple ladies

with gifts and my son in law and I and

we basically specialized in the Gettinsburg and Harper's Ferry area,

doing you know, the old typical investigations that everybody's used

to and find out all the various equipment and over

the years, and it's been quite a few in my case,

we gathered a lot of information got a lot of EVPs,

got a lot of photographs and all that, and it

was really neat, you know. I mean, I guess I

convinced myself there is a life beyond the mortal life,

or some residues or whatever has time evolved. I started

finding myself. I consider myself a spiritual person. I come

from a classic Christian backward around.

Speaker 4: And I do believe Jesus Christ is my savior and

follow the edicts and try to do the best following this,

following his footsteps.

Speaker 1: It soon became apparent to me the thing that really

captured my interest in where I wanted to learn is

from the higher energies. And so I guess somehow you

start to start to gain spiritual gifts, and with the

help of others, you learn to fine tune them somewhat.

I just think I'm a strong impath. I think that's

probably the extent of my gifts. But that does me

allow sometimes to see the energies and so the flash

your personal persona. I'm very keen on sensing energies and

can pretty accurately determine the nature of that energy. It's

been a real gift to be able to come into

people contact with people of such high quality that have

passed through and they're now they've crossed over, but they're

affecting change and helping people on this side. And it's funny.

As each year goes I have my wife gets mad

at me. I don't think I have a lot of

years left. I'm seventy two. I've always sort of felt

the Good Lord's probably going to give me, you know,

seventy five, seventy six years whatever. So I'm sort of

tailing off, but it's strengthened my belief. I have firm

testimony that life is eternal, that families are eternal, and

that are good works, and that cross the realms, and

they the other side of the realm has a great

deal to do with us and us for them. I

am by my relief and I'm l d. S. And

we do in our temples throughout the world, we do

what works for our ancestral dead. And nowadays, when I'm

in the temples doing a lot of these works, I

actually see the people and see them receiving these uh

these works and feel their great love and joy. So

it's a very different thing for me. Nowadays. We the

last two years, we won't be this year, but the

last two years uh my partners at the Hoover House,

and I'll get into that in just a few minutes.

Pam and Steve Barry, who won the uh uh the

uh Ghost Bash and pent in Gettingsburg. Each year they

were asked to be guests at Lilydale, the spiritual colony

up in New York, and we were. We were fortunate

enough to go up there and have a amazing sessions.

And last year we were accompanied by Ron Jacovetti and

his girlfriend Lords and you know, they've developed probably the

finest instrument around for communications with with the other realm

uh and if you ever have a chance to see

them in person, I would certainly encourage you. Uh. They

blessed us at the Hoover House a number of times.

They'll be at the Bash this year, but him and

a partner on the West Coast have developed a really

truly amazing system of communication. And so anyhow, my path

has really changed a lot over the years, and I

really feel quite blessed in all of this. Anybody who

were with energies and spirit We'll tell you it does

take it toll. And so we're constantly trying to refresh

ourselves and cleanse ourselves and keep ourselves spirits worthy of

whatever whatever you know gonna come come our way. And

in this process is when I got to meet Cisco,

and uh so I'm gonna let I'm gonna flip it

over to Cisco, your sex and then we'll come back

to the Hoover House and i'll talk something about that.

Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds great, And Cisco, she's told me so

much about the bash and and good time she's had

there at Hoover House. I haven't been able to attend yet,

but I've been on the West Coast until recently, and

now that I'm here in New England, I'm a lot

closer to it than I ever have been, so hopefully

I'll get to make it, not this year soon, but

go ahead and then fill us in there.

Speaker 5: Well here, I am so glad to be on with you, guys.

I'll tell you what I'd suggest y'all listen in, because

what you're about to hear is if you took in

everything Jim just told you and understand that in the paranormal,

the best way to look at paranormal, supernatural and actually anyway.

Speaker 3: Is to look at it from every vantage point you

possibly can.

Speaker 5: Get a taste of, because that's going to give you

the full picture. So if you take in everything Jim

just said and you understand that what we're going to

talk about is next level not just spirit communication, but

information from spirit. And when you allow yourself to understand

that this stuff goes on just like these radio waves

that you're listening to right now.

Speaker 3: You can't see them, they're there. Everything is in the air,

all these frequencies and all these all this energy moving

constantly through our lives every day.

Speaker 5: That we're just used to moving through. But at the

same time, Spirit is around your ancestors, those that you're

connected to in this life is probably as well as

other lives. Everything is connected. Why do you think we

say when you speak of them, they hear you. It's

easy for us to listen and to take in the

idea of if you speak of a loved one on

their birthday, they're connected to you and that love, and

they feel that love, they feel that connection, they feel

that mention. Yet on my show on Journey through the Gate,

when we talk to certain guests or we're talking in

the chat, people seem to have a harder time believing

other stuff works too. Say, if you're in the woods,

don't speak of certain things because they can hear you. Steve,

and I've talked about this a bunch on the show,

haven't we Steve. What you got to understand is all

these things are going on.

Speaker 3: All the time, and when you go in with the.

Speaker 5: Right intent and you get around a group of people

like that are in the area we're talking about now

tonight in Waynesboro, which is right near Harper's Valley. It's

in uh right next to Gettysburg and Antietam.

Speaker 3: You have all that energy right smack dab in the

middle of it.

Speaker 5: There's a house with a group of people that were

I believe called there and led there and drawn there

by certain spirits who have now worked with them so

much that they will actually set up visitations from.

Speaker 3: People that come in and think they're just going to

go on a vacation.

Speaker 5: But on the other side, they're working together with their

loved ones because Grandma's got something she wants to tell them.

Speaker 3: And that's how spirit works. And when you're on the good.

Speaker 5: Side of this and when you're open to it and

you're willing to to kind of feel your way through

and and trust a little and.

Speaker 3: You know, and and and and believe it comes even

fastern't it, Jim.

Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, the right intent and the right grouping together.

Speaker 3: So you know, I would love to hear a little

bit about how you were drawn to the Hoover, what

the idea of it was, and then.

Speaker 5: What what happened there, because it's such an amazing place.

Speaker 1: The there's a couple uh in the area. They've been

in the Gettysburg area for quite a few years now there,

Pam and Steve Barry, and they're are very gifted people.

Pam has got the spiritual gifts. Uh. Steve died a

number about ten years ago. I think it was six

seven years ago. Yeah, heart attack in a blizzard and

died at least three times, if not more. They paddled

him some thirty odd times between the ambulance and on

the elevator at the hospital and they literally burn a home. Yeah.

And in that period he talked and communicated with energies

beyond and that's where suddenly now Steve is gifted. Very

often they're speaking in his ear. So when we do

our very when we do our sessions, Steve generally sits

off the table, and a lot of times the energies

are talking in his ear telling him ask about this

or whatever. So they're the ones who I guess we

would work with. They they've always sold equipment for the

field and.

Speaker 5: Right right, they had the Gettysburg Exchange, right, And Pam

was also involved.

Speaker 3: Was she involved in the Jenny Wade House as a.

Speaker 1: She's still Jenny Wade and the orphanage in Gettysburg and

several times a year we'll have investigations there and yeah,

she's still connected with those. And then Waynesboro, like Cisco said,

is it's about twenty four miles outside of Gettysburg and

it was involved with the battle, not so much from

a fighting perspective, but Confederate forces came through the town

and occupied it for about ten days before the battle.

And anyhow, they're the ones who originally they had purchased

a property over near Gettysburg and it was an old

habit and I'm not saying history of the house. It

was there during the battle and some soldiers did come

into place. They had apple orchard in there, so they

took some food stuffs, but there was no fighting in

that area. And anyhow, they started working out of that house,

and in that house they introduced me to a spiritual process,

table tipping. And you can go online and you'll see

all kinds of stuff about table tipping at arkage, back

to the age of spirituality. Turn of the century, you know,

as the country was coming out of World War One

and the Spanish flu epidemic. About a quarter of the

world had died in a few short years, and there

was a great interest among people to hopefully be able

to communicate with their loved ones. And so you had

some like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle the Home Stories. He

was a big advent He had lost a son in

World War One, and so he was very interested in

trying to communicate with his son. And then you had

the Great Houdini. Now everybody thinks Deanie didn't believe in this,

but quite honestly, to do a lot of Charlatan's a

lot of flogs, and he was out there exposing the fogs.

And Houdini was very close to his mother and wanted

very much to be able to communicate with her, and

so his quest was pretty much based on that. And

so you had you had notables of the time involved

in this quest, and you had a lot of famous individuals.

The fox up in Yes area are dominated and that's

when some of these spiritual colonies came into being. So anyhow,

Pam and Steve had a friend who was uh uh uh.

She was a psychic medium from Willidale. She came down

and she taught Pam and Steeve uh the basics of

table tipping, and they then later conveyed that to me.

And I don't know what it was, but to Spirits,

for whatever reason, decided I was a good vehicle. They

select you.

Speaker 6: They do, they do, and they set this whole thing

up too. I mean when you step back and you look,

you can see how I mean, I've had it happen

to me, you know, just try to get me to Getsburg,

you know, and it's just amazing when you.

Speaker 5: Can step back and watch how they moved through and

they manipulate little things or put little clues here or

little arrows there.

Speaker 3: You know, it's just it's wild. Well go ahead and

go ahead.

Speaker 1: So anyhow, they introduced me to table tipping, and they're

initially you know, it just sort of caught on and

Spirits really worked very well with me, and so the

arrangement they had with the owners of the lookout house.

I was starting to fall apart, and so they had

asked me if I might be able to intercede and

get that, And we tried to obtain the lookout house,

but the owners weren't really interested in dealing with the barriers,

so it shifted over and anyhow, so we were just

looking at properties, and we didn't know if we really

didn't know much. I mean, I had questions as to

whether or not we wanted a place with energies or

whether the energies would follow us. Yeah, So in this process,

my sister who's involved with real estate, he became aware

of this old mansion built in nineteen twelve in Waynesboro,

and it was the Hoover House and over the years

and had served for fifteen years as an assisted living place.

It had also served as an upscale restaurant on several occasions,

and so had this fancy full kitchen, and it has

served as a private residence for several families. So the

current owner had had the restaurant and had closed it.

It actually also was a speed easy during no Prohibition

period in the basement, so it's got a very interesting

uh setup and it's been very well preserved and taking

care of over the years. So we we were looking

at it in really beautiful place. And so while the

current owners and realis they were all around showing everybody everything,

I waited until the crowds had got away and I

couldn't hear them. And I'm sitting back in this area,

and just as I always do, I just talked to

the spirits that they're in a room with me where

buddies were sitting. Now we're talking, and so I introduced

myself and I said, energies, I said, uh, I don't

know you. I don't know if you're here, but if

you are, I would love to get to know you.

Could you come, just say something about yourself, let me

know you're you're here. And had a simple little recorder,

and as I played it back, there was a gentleman's

voice came on the requarter and he asked me, has

the deal been done yet? And I said, oh my.

So another friend of mine in the area had looked

in occasionally through the windows and on more than one

occasion had seen people sitting there at the tables when

there wasn't really anybody. It wasn't an open business. So

we obtained it, and before we even brought a piece

of furniture in, I had written a dedicatory prayer for

the Hoover House and basically commemorated it to the educations

and the communication between the realms and asked for the

Lord and Spirit to bless the house to allow it

to be a conduit to help us all become higher

playing spiritually and words to those effects. That was about

three years ago. I guess February this year this month

makes it three years and we have learned immeasurably. Originally,

the owners, the first owners were a family named Huber.

They were very philanthropic and they were very active with

us right off to go, and they to this date

they still sort of vet our spirits for us. So yeah,

we requested that it's on very rare occasions we've had

any kind of negative energies trying to come in or

try to foul up the works. The the biggest issue

we have. There's an old gentleman there named Paul, who

was there when it was a nursing home, and he's

got some milk colorful language and he really likes to

complain and he really likes to screw up a session.

He'll he'll sometimes enter and take us on a wild

goose chase. The other we have several lady spirits there

from when it was a nursing home, and they're tolerant

of Paul. But he uh, he moans and complains about

virtually everything. But he's he's about the worst character we have.

But in general, what has happened is loved ones sort

of know when their loved one is coming to the house,

sometimes several days in advance, and they'll come through to

us and when that when their loved one shows up,

they'll make their presence known. We do a table tipping session.

We do use an em pump in most of our

sessions because it allows the spirits to have a longer

session that you can use that energy and it takes

less out of us. That's the main thing. But that's

the only that's them. We will you kind of equipment

we would use as just em partner.

Speaker 3: That's the interesting that that you know.

Speaker 5: That you guys do that, and that's something that people

need to really understand that you know they can when

they're asking spirit to do certain things like spell out

your name or wrap on the table or move the

table or whenever it takes energy.

Speaker 3: So supplying them with an energy source like that is

a great idea.

Speaker 5: That's really thinking on the level of spirit first, you know,

and that's why you're getting, you.

Speaker 3: Know, such good results.

Speaker 5: And it just seems to come so easy to it

makes The thing I'm trying to say is it makes

so much sense.

Speaker 3: But we don't often think of stuff like that.

Speaker 5: We will talk about, well, my batteries got drained on

my camera or this got drained. But you know, to

think to bring an energy sources is a great idea

and it is easier on you because they're not drawn

from you so much, you know. And I highly recommend

that nobody go in anywhere and say you're allowed to

use my energy.

Speaker 3: Don't do that.

Speaker 5: Don't do that, folks, because you don't know who you're

talking to, so don't go giving up your energy.

Speaker 3: So that's great, that's great.

Speaker 1: Jim.

Speaker 5: I wonder if you could always found it so interesting

when you and Jenny would talk of how you found

certain tables or how certain tables found you, and explain

a little bit to the listener about how a certain

spirit will be attached to a table just like a

haunted object or That doesn't necessarily mean that you have

to find a table that is haunted. It more mean

explain that process as you understand it.

Speaker 1: And all of what I'm about to say here is

gospel of the James.

Speaker 2: Whatever works, brother, and I'm interested to hear these stories too.

My grandmother and her family, they came out of the

spiritualism movement of the last century. Table tapping or tapping

was one of the things that they really did when

my mother was a child. And again they lost loved

ones in the war of the First World War, and

that was how they got into it, was trying to

contact their loved ones.

Speaker 1: And I will mention one other thing we do, and

it's it's not an absolute so because if some people

have any kind of allergies of that, they don't have to.

But we generally uh the only thing when we're all

at the table, we put a few drops of essential

oils on our hands, love them in And in other words,

if you think of a religious ceremony, they often use

sacred oils to annoy Typically we'll use merps and the

word spick nord and there there were a range of

essential oil that we used in ancient healing used to

care for the dying and the sick, and we'll we'll

use a few of those that sort of involved in

the process. But yeah, the again, this is just stuff

we found, and we've been told by other psychics that

we sort of use the tables as a psychic tool.

I guess involved with any table tipping, there are similarities,

but I would also say that there's probably differences depending

on who's doing, you know, the session we found that

we'll we'll go into like an antique store, and honest

to gosh, we'll sometimes we'll get a vision. Sometimes we'll

hear a noise and my sister and I will go

over to the table and as to God, it'll vibrate

without us even touching it. Sometimes we've had them move,

we've had them vibrate. We've even had them come up

in the air, you know, a small little thing without

even touching the table, so we know there's an energy

associated with it. Now, tables can be used strictly on

their own as a tool, and it doesn't necessarily have

to have an energy associated with it, but if it

has an energy within, they seem to be much more

effective at being able to get loved ones and do

the communication. From that end, you can still use any

old table that even if it doesn't have an energy

source as a conduit to the other world. But it

certainly does help to have an energy. And so once

we ascertain that it has an energy, and oftentimes we

know it wants to take his own. Sometimes you're afraid

to go into because we know there's a bunch of tables.

But he've helped people get tables that are meant for them.

And and that's another thing you can tell some Oftentimes

a table, it's often said the table selects you, and

I do believe that. And once we have that table,

we will sit down privately amongst ourselves and then that

table will reveal itself to us. Now, just two weeks ago,

we had a session. We had a group come in

and uh, this one gentleman, he's been there many times.

He had a new girlfriend, really really sweet out and

so she watched and observed the first couple of sessions

and then wanted to sit at the table. So there's

a really sweet, gifted psychic named Stacy Lee who comes

to the house.

Speaker 3: I know Stacy Tweetheart, and she was.

Speaker 1: Doing readings that day, okay for people. So when she

was getting ready to doer readings, there was a table

there with a painting of uh Pides on the table,

and she likes them and she was going to use

it to do a readings. According to Stacy, now the

table told her, please don't use me for readings. She goes,

I want to. I want to come out tonight and communicate. So, wow,

friend of ours, please put this table in a corner,

and when you're here tonight doing sessions, bring it out

for that. So I swear I had seen this table before,

and I don't know how we got it, but there

it was. So that evening on our last session. Guy's

name was Steve, not our Stephen. Other he has this

table and he says, Jim gave me the whole spiel

about Stacy. So I said, okay, well we'll see what

it's gone. So real quickly he came out. Its name

was William, would not reveal his last name to us yet,

and he started going into this whole thing about his history,

and he goes back to the Revolutionary War, this particular energy,

and then all of a sudden he's telling us he

thought at the Battle Guilford Courthouse. And it's weird because

so oftentimes the people in the room were the people

at the table have a connection with these energies, said,

you knew nothing of it. And it turns out the

Battle of Guilford Courthouse. I have a direct ancestor whose

home sits in the battle, and the state of North

Carolina has preserved it. He was a major and one

of the commanding officers at that battle. Wow, We'm like,

holy frap, you know. And and then it gets really weird.

He recognized the one young girl at the table, the

friends of girlfriend. He recognized her as a love interest

from the past.

Speaker 5: What it's so amazing the people that are listening. It's

I don't know how to describe hearings or having experiences

and hearing stories that reaffirm and continue to do so,

climbing your time after time of how spirit is with

us paying attention, kind of paying attention to how we're

live in our lives, doing the things they got to

do and still being involved that if we, like Jim

is saying, there's connections all over the place.

Speaker 3: It's not just.

Speaker 5: The spirit recognizing you from another life, like you said,

as a love interest. But we get this all the

time around the battlefield. It's almost like you're drawn to

a certain place. How many stories have we heard, Jim

of a spirit or ghosts earth bound, that is what

I call ghosts or spirits who have crossed over coming

back and recognizing a soul that has walked on that

battlefield as one they fought.

Speaker 1: With in the day.

Speaker 5: Yeah, it blows your mind though. So back to your

the tables. It's not just that that table has a spirit.

It's almost like the spirit chose the table. And these

are usually not the earth bound lower vibrational.

Speaker 1: No, no, why the spirit.

Speaker 5: The spirit that is occupying the table and insisting you

and assisting you in the table able tipping are much

higher vibrational spirit one that we have a little uh

wisdom under the belt, let's put it that way, and

a little time, you know, of healing and have ascended

a little higher. Now we're not talking. It doesn't have

to be an angel, although it can be, you know.

I mean, it's all levels, because when you're dealing with

the earth bound, they're usually vibrating a little lower because

they have all those earthly burdens still, you know. So

the ones that are occupying the table were not. Really,

I'm trying to differentiate between a haunted object and a

spirit using a table for a reading.

Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, right, it's a different,

It's huge different.

Speaker 1: You know, think of the table just as a halted

relet or an object. Yeah, you really, And this is important.

We asked when we get to know the energy involved,

we we ask them, are you familiar with what we

are attempting to do here? And most of the time

they are yes, that are you willing to, you know,

assist us in this goal? And oftentimes they are And

then this is again, don't send a patty wagon for me.

I'm just telling this is the gospel. The tables talking.

Speaker 2: I think you'd have to come for all of us.

Speaker 1: They somehow they talk amongst themselves and they educate each other. Now,

our top table, the one who's the highest in in

our knowledge and base and spirituality is Emma, and she

is such a gift. She's amazing. But he communicate these tables.

So that night, when we finish this, it's funny, Emma

wants to be at my sister's house, so she does

not reside at the Hoover house. They will bring her

like tomorrow we're having Adam Burnet is coming in with

the group and we're we will be having a session tomorrow.

So uh, Jen my sister will bring Emma with or

we ask permission if they want to come and be involved.

Uh And occasionally they don't. They I think they can

sort of oftentimes sense the spiritual base of the group.

Speaker 3: Uh huh.

Speaker 1: When you have people of a certain mindset and they're

really very warm and giving and open, yep, yep, yep,

can happen. The the quality of the session very much

depends on who is there at that time.

Speaker 3: Yeah, the energy and the room, Jim.

Speaker 1: Energy and right and that that is without a doubt.

But anyhow so that night when my sister and them

went home about for three years now, they forgot Emma.

I never left them there. So that why Emma spent

the night with the new table that had come forth,

and we asked them. And the next night they came

back together and it was playing did I my block

of my sister? Wow take it home?

Speaker 4: You know?

Speaker 2: Wow?

Speaker 3: What's happen? Everything is? It's almost like they do know.

Speaker 5: There's I can't express in words that there are different

levels all operating at the same time, and they're all

involved with each other.

Speaker 3: And you know, how else are you going to know that?

Speaker 5: You know, your granddaughter and her boyfriend are going to

go to Gettysburg and they want to stop off at

a you know, they want to go a little bit

outside of Gettysburg and stop at a bed and breakfast

and you know, and explore that town too, and maybe

go to Harper's Valley whatever. And the spirit, the grandmother

in spirit and the loved ones in spirit find out

about this and start getting and are at the Hoover

House a week ahead of time.

Speaker 3: You know, And this happened all the time, all the time,

doesn't it, Jim?

Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's as much as we've been doing and

just had so many memorable, unique sessions. Yep. Ever seas amazed.

I mean it, And I'm telling you it's so uplifting

on so many funds because, like I said, it reaffirms

things that from a Christian base. So I guess whatever

religious space you're coming from, we're all hoping within our

own framework to believe in that life goes life. There

it is we have that constantly reminded to us and

confirmed to us. You don't constantly know that death is

not an end of our relationships for all those who

especially you know, we're we're animal people. Oh my god,

our pets are always with us. We'll have we'll have

them presented the table, We'll have them. Oftentimes a pet

from the past is what brings the human through.

Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, And that's another thing. There's there's certain if

you can understand the aspect of if we could just

understand again that earthbound is a little different than those

who have crossed over.

Speaker 3: Once you've crossed.

Speaker 5: Over, it seems that there's a process of healing and

understanding and knowing and remembering and comfort and love and

being back at source with souls that you recognize and

this kind of thing. But also to understand that it's

all these other past lives, all your animals from all

the so it's an amazing thing, and they can interact

and work with each other, because that's basically what a

spirit died is.

Speaker 3: It could be anything.

Speaker 5: From a pet, an animal, a past loved one, you know,

so many different things. It's an energy that is there

in your life at that moment to assist you or

attempt to assist you through it. You know, and once

you get over there. It's all the connections are there

and it's so easy to understand. Well, of course they'd

be able to come here and help out. And that's

something that I love to bring out of my show

because we missed that. We're always looking at all the

scary stuff and of course we all love them, but

there's so much good going on as well that these

spirits would be so interactive with us in so many

different ways. And it's proven time and time again at

the Hoover House because there's so many people that get

that on that level and they're ready for the next thing.

Speaker 1: Well, that's what's cool. This is one of many stories.

Oh and by the way, I'm going to you said,

you gave me permission to do this. We are right now.

There's a local radio station. It's a Western station. It's

having a context and it's called twice State Bet. They

have a number of services and companies and all that,

and people can go on and vote for their faith Rick.

You know, whoever wins that, you actually get three billboard

and a lot of promotion and all that. And somebody,

we don't know who. Somehow Hoover House was nominated as

Tri State Best in the bed Breakfast and you know

hotel and that thing. So any listeners who would care

to support us, if you'll go to one oh four

point seven must be the station as WAYZ And if

you'll go down there, you'll see tri State and you

register your name and stuff. And within the services entry

they have, like I said, the hotel, bed Breakfast, you'll

see Hoover House and you can vote for us, and

you're allowed vote to day.

Speaker 2: I think yes, indeed, I'll put that link in the

description of the show notes for those listening. And I've

already voted today and I'll continue to vote there and

I'm happy to support what you guys are doing.

Speaker 1: It would really, I mean seriously, I think getting that

exposure and stuff, and I'll tell you I want to

be surprised. We have spirit helping us on so many levels.

I mean, I don't even know how we got nominated.

We weren't even aware of this contest.

Speaker 3: You told me about it and I just laughed. I said,

I know how it got there. So yeah, please do

go in there and vote. You can vote once a day.

It's free.

Speaker 5: All you got to do is vote, and let's see

if we can get this. Get you know, this little

added boost for them, because here's the thing. Did you

ever want a place where you could go and you

could just you could just investigate. You could just sit

there and you can investigate in an old used to

be a speakeasy, you know, a place also you can

feel comfortable, don't allow people to you know, everything is

calm there, Everything is is serene, and the spirits really

do protect that place.

Speaker 3: We have some very strong, light.

Speaker 5: Working spirits there and they really keep things calm and

it's a lovely It's not like you know, you're gonna

have to go and sit in a jail cell or

an asylum overnight and all that kind of thing. You

feel so good in this place and you're really allowed

to let your investigative deuces flow. So if you're into

whether you want to do pendulum, if you want to

get EVPs, if you want to do you know, take pictures, whatever,

if you want to see if you can communicate, there's

so many.

Speaker 3: Different ways to do it there.

Speaker 5: And I think if you go and you get yourself

involved in one of these sessions or one of the

wonderful mediums and people with abilities that are always.

Speaker 3: Going in and out of there and.

Speaker 5: Showing up, you can have an experience and you can

remember your whole life.

Speaker 3: You know, if you sit at this table.

Speaker 5: Jim and I have sat across many a table, haven't

we Jim with each other and seen.

Speaker 3: Some amazing things. You know, And remember we.

Speaker 5: Don't take it for granted. We are blessed every single

time it happens. It's never lost on Gemini because we

see the difference in the people.

Speaker 2: As Jim pointed out before the show, the run haunting

events here too. They do all kinds of things there.

So if you're in that area or going to be

in that area and look at her place to have

a wedding, a reception, any kind of event, yes, let's

get our top recommendation.

Speaker 1: Well, thank you, but yeah no, it's just an absolute

true story. This was from not this past year, but

from the year before. There was a lady never met before,

and she had wound up getting a room at the

Hoover House and we were having a little get together

and had made some dinner and we invited him, you know,

if you got plenty ex so you can eat with us,

you know. So we're talking with her. She was telling

us how she had lost her mother about two years

two and a half years earlier, and it was only

your dad. Now he lived up in chambers for where

I live, and he had getting up in his years.

He was in his early eighties and he was starting

to become a little frail. So they had had to

put him in an assisted living and they sold the

old house. And so now when she came, she lived

in southern Maryland. So when she came up to visit

her dad, she had to get a place to stay.

And she said, she don't know what it was, but

something sort of attracted her to the Hoover House. She

saw this and booked a room. So we're talking and

she's talking with my sister, and I guess she was

talking to her about the table tipping or something. And

so that later that evening when we when we were

going to go do a session, she was a little scared.

So she started heading up to a room on the

next floor up, and she says she got to the

top of the stairs and something got her and turned

her around and she heard, no, you go downstairs. You

need to hear. So she goes back down, comes in

the room, sheep is, she says, can I sit in here?

I said, well, means, you know, make yourself comfortable. And

so we were already connecting with spirit and about the

third spirit comes in and it's a female spirit, an

older woman, and really had me confused because this lady's

name was Peggy. And suddenly I'm getting a female spirit

at the table named Peggy for Peggy, and I'm all right,

So I look at her. I said, your name's Peggy. Bye.

She goes, Peggy Lee. I said okay. I said, well, Peggy,

I don't know there's a Peggy here asking you to

come to the table. And she goes, oh my god,

I know who it is. So she came and as

her mother and her mother come right through and they're talking,

and boy was her mother a bowel venue. She great lady,

a lot of fun, and a former dancer. She used

to she had lost the use of her legs in

her last few years of life, but earlier she'd been

a dancer. So we're connecting with her mom at the

table and she wants to go dancing. Well, yet these

tables dance. When I say that we all have to

stand up and keeping a finger or two on the table,

it starts to shoot all around the room. Luke de loops.

So the table dances a while and I'm hearing her laugh,

and this is her mother. So we finally get back down.

We're sitting in her seats, and then she comes to

her daughter and she says, I have serious business, and

she says, I want you to be good. But she says,

your father's not going to be there much longer, and

she proceeds to she proceeds to tell her that, you know,

her father's not going to be around that much longer.

And all of a sudden, there's two bulldogs at the table,

and I'm asking her. I said, did you have a dog?

The bulldog? Now I didn't have any dogs too, and

then she goes, oh my god, my dad had two

bulldogs as a boy. And so she goes, I said,

do you know what the names were? Because I said,

the one bulldog's telling me it's name's Matilda. Now think

of a bulldog. She goes, Jim, I really can't remember.

I said, well, when you see your dad and nest,

would you ask him if he remembers the name of,

you know, one of his dogs. So anyhow, the mother

doesn't really lay out anything specific, but just says, if

I either that much longer. So anyhow, so a couple

of weeks past, she comes back to visit her dad

and then talking with him, well, yeah, sure enough. One

of the bulldog's name was Matilda.

Speaker 3: Here it was.

Speaker 1: So then she goes, she gaves Jim, could we have

a session, see if my mom comes through? Said sure,

do we sit down? And yeah, mom comes through, and

now her dad's mom comes through as well, and they

both basically over period of a month or two, they said,

you know, we're preparing to receive pop. You know, her

dad up there. The family's all gathering, and he's got

uncles that she'd lost, she's got her dad's mom and

dad are up there, his wife and she's already pulling

jokes on him at his facility, like putting up signs

that don't exist, but he sees them and it gets angry,

you know, like something about we're charging you so much

a day for the TV you know there, Yeah, her

mother and she's we hear her laughing.

Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1: So anyhow, this is the other man. Peggy had never

been involved with anything paranormal ghosts, none of this. Suddenly

the connection at the table owner, I'm telling you she's

a natural psychic. And all of a sudden, man, they're

coming in like a powerhouse. And this woman's psychic abilities

are amazing. I've never seen anybody in a matter of

like four or five month she could do remote viewing

on at the end of four months.

Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, she's just it was there the whole time.

Speaker 5: It just it almost seemed like it's almost like getting

uh if you think about like getting shocked, and it

gives you you know, you can see really good, or

you can hear really well, or something changes.

Speaker 1: And it's like she said, the one time, she she's

going up the road. Her dad needed to go in

the hospital overnight for something, and so she's down there

and suddenly some energy's telling her to go go talk

to this woman he's sitting outside the hospital. And she

goes up to the lady and she goes, I don't

know why I'm doing this. Please, I'm I don't mean

anything to but she says, someone is telling me your

mom's gonna be okay, and and I don't know why.

And it turned out that the woman's mother had just

had a fall and they would ring the hospital by

the ambulance and the woman looks at She goes, are

you one of those psychics? What I yeah, I've had.

Speaker 5: I can understand exactly what you're talking about because I've

had that experience.

Speaker 3: I've had things where I've walked up at.

Speaker 5: Airports and just had you know, what do you mean?

I got to go back and say, you know, it's

like that woman. You got to go back and say this,

you know, and you do it in such a way.

You know, you don't want to be a psychic sniper,

you know what I mean?

Speaker 3: But also if you walk away, what are you walking

wins from?

Speaker 5: This might be the message that keeps this person going

on the rest of your life. This might be the

message that gets them through a hard time. You know,

who are you going to take that away from them?

So I feel like it doesn't belong to me. I'm

just a messenger here, ma'am. He still loved me, says

he's fine. I got to catch playing, you know.

Speaker 3: I leave it with them.

Speaker 1: Well in coming up over the couple of months there,

it came out and her mom came forward and said,

as thank we out of cancer, and said, but he

will not be in pain. She said, he will not

be in pain and he'll pass peacefully, and honest to gosh,

that whole family was waiting for him, and our friend

Jerry Swope. Our friend Jerry Swope and helped me a

couple of times with sessions with her. And the one

Saturday night she come up and she said she sort

of felt something and Jerry and I sit with just

the three of us, and Jerry even told him said,

your dad, I don't know that he has a week

so you know, whatever you want to tell him, you

be sure to tell him this weekend. And he passed.

It was like Tuesday or Wednesday the next week. Never

was in pain. He just was able to get by

on tieling on stuff and passed very peaceably. But I

mean it was amazing. Every couple of weeks she'd be

up and the family would come through and we'd have

a session and they give her an update. Now, how

beautiful is it to think that the whole family's they're

greeting and getting nothing up to welcome you. I mean,

we all know we have an expiration date, but how

BEAUTI force her to know the family is all involved

with that. And then she came up here maybe like

two months ago, just to say, oh, my god, I

couldn't believe how powerful she is. She was doing we

were doing sessions and she's sitting on the couch pulling

the reds, you know, telling as the spirits presented at

the tables. She is dead on, she was dead on.

Just it amazes me this fill how much this uh,

this lady learned in virtually no brig enhanced.

Speaker 5: Yeah, with something with some guy woke up, you know,

I mean just enhanced. I mean, but that's the way

that happens. And I think, I'm I'm a firm believer

that it has to do with the group and the amount,

not just the the living there, but the you know,

the the spirits and the ones that have decided to.

Speaker 3: Stay or that were drawn there and felt like.

Speaker 5: That was a kind of like a safe place to

hang out with other spirits until they're ready to cross

or do their next thing.

Speaker 3: I mean, it just and it's it's almost like you

got to put.

Speaker 5: In a revolving door there too, because it's always inner,

you know, changing, and even you've even had some that

started out where they were kind of trapped, crossed over

and came back and helped others.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, let me I'd like your input on this,

you too, Steve, if you've ever if you're familiar, because

this was a whole new area for me. I think

I think Beth may have been Beth O'Brien. I think

she was with us on this session. This is reason

within the last couple of months where young girl at

the table and her uh, her relative. I think it

was a stepfather and this gentleman she goes. She later

told us she said he was the most wonderful person

I've ever known. He came forward. He was a doctor,

a physician, he dealt with obg y n and he

was a surgeon, and he evidently he was involved in

World War Two. Now this is something I had never

read about or heard about before we're hooking up with this.

He had not crossed, but it was his choice. And

in effect, he is such in such a high state

of transition that he can come and go as he wants.

I mean, I guess maybe say that he ain't false

in the typical sense. He's doing work here on earth

and he's actively involved and somehow, but listen to this

guy what he did first off in World War two.

I guess he's telling us this. There was a shortage

of anesthesia for the soldiers that were wounded, and so

he was also a master hypnotist and in a lot

of cases he hypnotized the wounded soldiers before doing surgery

on him. Had you heard of that?

Speaker 3: Wow? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got a too.

Speaker 1: So he's telling us that, now this is the amazing thing.

And again I swear I didn't know any of this

history back in the day. I'm guessing this is probably

late forties, early fifty these if if a black lady

would go to a white doctor of white g y

n they were very like something wrong. Oftentimes they were

very afraid that that white doctor would sterilize her.

Speaker 3: I can believe that of you.

Speaker 1: Know, minimizing the black And so there was evidently within

the black community, women basically knew the safe doctors, the

doctor they could go to and get treated for the

medical issue without being sterilized. And this her relative was

one such doctor. And in the fact, he didn't even

charge most of the ladies of the black community because

most of them were impoverished, and he just did it

as a community service. He was a real renaissance man

in his day, and so talking the forties, he had

communication with foreign with with space space energies. He I mean,

he was such an amazing spiritual man and when we

do the table sessions, we feel those energies. You actually

it's very personal. You get you get connected to that person.

And I was actually brought to tears just feeling in

the presence of someone who was such pure and goodness

and so I totally I don't understand how all that works,

but I totally understand the concept of how somebody could

could you know, say not the uh moved on in

a classic sense, but still have I guess those kind

of gifts that he could affect change on people here

just what really just an amazing individual and real highlight

to be able to experience that energy. Now, I'm honest

to God, I do a lot of beating, but I

had never read any of that stuff.

Speaker 5: Wow, And that's something and that's always very interesting when

you can get a validation like.

Speaker 3: That, whether it's the name of.

Speaker 5: The you know, the the Bulldogs or you know Matilda

or anything else. I mean, it's it's always extra wonderful.

Speaker 3: But when you stand.

Speaker 5: Balk and you look at the multiple layers that they're doing,

it's never just one thing. It affects everybody in the room.

It affects you know, the family. It you know, on

so many levels, on so many levels. And I don't

know why they picked too. I know you told us

about how it started with spiritualism, but I wonder, you know,

it's you know, it's not a chair or it's.

Speaker 3: Not a coffee pot. You know, it's a table, a table.

Speaker 2: You know, it could be a chair, it could be anything,

like you said, a desk, you know, with the folding

desk with a lid, fip up, up and down. But

it seems to like a table for some reason.

Speaker 1: In the Hoover house, we have a lecturn you know

that you stand up and speak behind and uh. The

energy of a minister is connected with that lectern. And

he gave us uh. Basically, he wanted us to read

various scriptures on a regular basis at the house. We

have that lectern in the house. You can stand up,

touch and feel its energy. It doesn't have to be

a table.

Speaker 3: Wild it's so wild, you know. But here's the thing

with the tables now. Jim was explaining earlier about uh

again the.

Speaker 5: Spirit using the table almost to like dance. And I've

told Steve the story.

Speaker 3: Jim was there. I was on the table with I

think Bob was there. He was across from me. I

think it was. Yes, it was.

Speaker 5: And I had a friend there and I won't say

say who, but she was there, and she had her sister,

and the sister was very reluctant, and her older sister

was at the table, and the loved one came through

and it turned out, do you.

Speaker 3: Remember this, Jim. It turned out that.

Speaker 5: The the person who was reluctant.

Speaker 3: Didn't want to.

Speaker 5: Kind of be involved because she had had some bad

memories of people that had passed that she loved, you know,

some bad experiences. One of that was the grandmother, and

she regretted not going to see the grandmother at the hospital.

Speaker 3: She did, she couldn't bring herself to see her when

she was sick. And it came through.

Speaker 5: That at the same time, Bob and I both got

you know, I think you asked him, were had she

lost a leg too? Like diabetes or something? And Bob

and I both said, or you you asked had was she?

Did she lose a leg and was.

Speaker 3: Not able to walk?

Speaker 5: And Bob and I both looked at each other got

it at the same time said not anymore, and the

table we had to stand up.

Speaker 3: The table started moving.

Speaker 1: Yet, almost like simulating steps.

Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, exactly, and we all stand up. I

think Jenny was on the table too, I believe she was.

She was the other and we all stood up, and

I think it was Emma's table and I believe it was.

And it started to tiptop, tiptop, as if it was

walking across the room, did it not? Jim and went

right to the granddaughter and leaned it again, gave her

a hug, and then it slid back, as if to say,

I could have slid the whole time. Remember, Yeah, sense

of humor, you don't lose a sense of humor either.

Speaker 3: If you had it here, you'll have it there.

Speaker 2: Guys that tell that before.

Speaker 1: And you know I'll tell everybody you can. We we've

got some videos. We've had people coming and film. You

know it's doing the table tipping and you know it's okay,

but you gotta, if you ever get the chance, try it.

I mean, because if you're on the table, you will

feel the energies. And we always caution everyone at no

point should you have apprehension or be sense sense of

fear or any kind of dread because if you do,

we're getting into something that's not right. So we'll break off.

But we just hardly ever happens, and you'll you'll feel

so uplifted. But I really you're a debby one to

try to at least be in the room or be

in a session like that, right A substitute.

Speaker 5: For it, absolutely, And I think we should add two that.

You know, it goes without saying that. You know, we

always put down protection. We have our spirit guides there

and the spirit of the table as well as the

spirits in the house and those that are with us

to filter out.

Speaker 3: Any kind of negativity.

Speaker 5: And you know, we put protection around us and we

close the session properly and all of that.

Speaker 3: It's just like anything else.

Speaker 1: You open, you.

Speaker 3: Close, and all of that is done. And what Jim was.

Speaker 5: Saying earlier, a lot of people come in and they

add their little you know, flavors to thing. I personally

think you should have a little thing out with chocolates

because you know, something Rob Gutro taught me, and you know, Rob,

you know a little you know a little chocolate because

it raises your endorphins and raising your vibration.

Speaker 3: And just like singing a song, having.

Speaker 5: A prayer, bringing in light lighting, you know, candles, all that,

even the smell of the essential oils, as well as

the ritual wool of doing these things is in any

kind of uh, you look back through any kind of

tribal stuff, even the Japanese pouring the tea. It's all

about the ritual, the ceremony, you know, and you're basically

getting yourself ready and setting that vibration as well and

getting in tune with everybody there.

Speaker 3: It's it's an amazing thing.

Speaker 1: No, and just so everybody doesn't realize it's all wonderful

when you know, warm fuzzy Grandma says, I would you know,

and they're great, But sometimes I mean and and this

is uh, you know, as as as you're doing a session,

you never know what to expect. One time, we had

a lady at the table and you could tell us

there was you could tell that there was something that

you know, it was just a miss. And here right

away this very strong male energy comes to the table

and as it turns out, it's her father. And honestly, I

don't know that I've ever experienced a more monstrous person.

This guy was like evil incrnate, I mean, what, what

a horrible person? And I'm actually getting a vision this

girl's trying to communicate with her deceased mother and her

father had died about four or five months earlier, and

he's coming through it to the table and blocking the mother,

blocking the mother. He hasn't fussed over. He's just there

screwing everything up. And I get this vision where I

actually see a woman bedridden and I see this guy

punching her in the face. And it turns out she

tells us later that there were three children, including the lady,

and he prevented any of them from seeing their mother

as she's dying. And I said, did your father ever

strike your mother in the face? And he said, she

said often. And anyhow, so while we're there, she's wanting

to connect with her mother, but this horrible presentation of

her father's there, and I, you know, I'm like, what

do I do? In honest to God spirit senius dissolution.

Somehow in my mind I got the idea, do you

have someone you trust on the other side that we

might be able to call in to assist. And she

had a grandfather that she knew, loved and trusted and

so we actually we can send the tables out to

bring in spirits that go back, locking back and forth

for a period the time when they stopped blocking, the

person's generally there. And so we got a grandfather. Great,

it was great plan father to come to the table,

and he agreed he would assist, and somehow he was

able to shield or block off her father and we

were able to bring a mother through for several minutes

to communicate. I didn't think of that, but the spirit

sort of gave that solution to us.

Speaker 3: Yep. And you can call in the other spirits to

look you know, the whole district, look one back and

you know, I was just talking to well, I was

listening to.

Speaker 5: A talk I had with Mark Nesbitt, and we were

in the conversation we were talking about how he does

the the crime scene investigation, paranormal crime scene investigation where

they go in they try to communicate with the victims

and several times because they're talking about what happened, the

killer shows up.

Speaker 3: Yeah, so similar situation.

Speaker 1: Yep. No, I can definitely see that.

Speaker 3: Yeah, it's happened multiple times.

Speaker 5: I mean again, but as soon as you said it, though,

I knew he hadn't crossed because if he had crossed over,

he'd still be in a healing thing.

Speaker 3: He would be able to do that.

Speaker 5: You know, That's what I'm saying about. You've got those

lower vibrational things just hanging around. And I joke with,

you know, with Steve.

Speaker 1: All the time.

Speaker 5: I'd say, well, you know, teenagers, listen, you're gonna get

a wigi board. Just understand, there's not a lot of

higher vibrational beings hanging around waiting for a bunch of

teenagers pull out a wig board. It's going to be

lower vibrational beings that are just you know, kind.

Speaker 2: Of basically to cause trouble.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Interesting that you mentioned earlier you talked about the table,

how it walked or down and then it slid up

to the person, almost like giving him a hug. I've

heard the case is where the table wasn't friendly and

would like slide up to people in the penaum against

the wall or try to shove them out of the

way the things. What how do you explain that?

Speaker 1: Wow, Well, this is actually quite humorous. One of Pam

and Steve's very good friends is a lady from West

Virginia and This was after the bash one year and

we're there with a big private group. We were upstairs

on the second floor and we have a table that

the energy connected with it is a former English soldier

from about the eighteen ninety period, and we somehow have

his canteen in the house, so he's identified the canteen

as his. Well then he has We're there upstairs doing

a session and the table recognized this friend of Pam

in theirs as a former love and this is no,

why you didn't You didn't need your imagination. The table

was trying to mount her, honest to God, and and

she's gone.

Speaker 2: No, no, that's another.

Speaker 1: Yeah, she's going down and the table's name is zag

and she's going zag, get down, get down, and he

he It was like back back, back back, and then

he lunded her again and start getting up on top

of her, and we're all like, oh my gosh. It

was it was something to see. Uh and we don't

use zag lot, but honestly, it was like, I mean

things so I could see. I don't know if you know,

if somehow that energy was really out of sorts with

somebody and recognized it. I that's that's what I'm wondering,

like you know, a hatred for years.

Speaker 2: And that's what I'm thinking. Hey, I know who you are,

you know, don't don't don't use me for this. I'm

going to show you how the way.

Speaker 1: Yeah, i'll tell you, I'll tell you.

Speaker 3: We mentioned it earlier. But you know, something amazing to think.

Speaker 5: About in this subject is the soul recognition. You know,

we talked about it earlier about going on to battlefield.

How many times you know, the soul the souls that

were there actually recognized or reincarnated soul that fought with

them multiple stories.

Speaker 3: So why not you know, everywhere else, you see what

I mean.

Speaker 5: So if he's recognizing, you know, that's that's incredible.

Speaker 3: I mean, just to think about it. You know, we

are so responsible for what we do, and we are.

Speaker 5: A combination of all our pasts, you know, even though

we can't remember it yet. I think that's something else

that we get when we go back. We get our

memory back, you know, because if we had it.

Speaker 3: Here, it would be cheating.

Speaker 5: Well I know that's in such an oversimplification, but you

know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we uh, last year, I'm sorry, the year

before we were down in Gatlinburg, Tennessee. Pam, Steve, Jenny,

myself and they went down there and Pam was looking

for a couple of tables from the you know that

Rocky Mountain, Tennessee area and stuff like that. So we

stopped and it looks like my wife, my sister, and

Pam all got a table. And then there was a

family lived down there and we were helping them get

a table too. They had they've been to the Hoover

House several times and had gotten in the table tipping,

and we're trying to get a table for themselves, so

they assisted him in that. We come back and it

was a couple of weeks later and we're trying to

figure out, okay, well, let's see what's connected with these

tables we have. Christy, my wife would would tell you

she was there the table she selected. We're working it

and yeah, there's an there's an energy with it comes

through and it goes, uh, Hello, my name's Hiram. I said, oh, okay,

I'm nice to meet you. You know. He goes, yeah,

I'm do you have last name, Hiram, It's Williams. I said, okay,

Hiram Williams, nice to meet you. Can you tell us

something about yourself. I was married and had a couple

children and blah blah blah and okay, and he said

I wasn't a real good person. I said, well, I'm

sorry to hear that. He goes, yeah, I didn't treat

my wife very well. And that's why I'm coming through

is I just would like to connect with her and

let her know I'm sorry for mistreating her. And we're like, well,

you know, is your wife passed? He goes yes, And

I said, well, you know, why are you using us?

Speaker 5: Yeah?

Speaker 1: Right, and uh, he goes, I'm familiar with what you

guys do. And I said, well we'll try. So he goes,

you know, so we're talking. He goes, yeah, he goes,

I'll be honest with He goes, uh, most people don't

call me by the name him. I said, okay, what

are you what what what do you go by, sir?

And he goes, I go by Hank, call me Hank.

And we're thinking, wait a minute, Hank Williams, Yeah right,

you know.

Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I was just putting two together too.

Speaker 1: So I'm like, now we I mean, I'm familiar with

a lot of Hank Williams tunes tunes, but I cann'tly

tell you much of you know, specifics. So meanwhile, Pam's

on her phone checking this stuff out. Well, Becket, his

name was Hiram, so she says it was Jim. It

was Hiram Hank Williams. I said, oh my god. So

so I said, okay, Hank, I said, well, can you

give us the names of your children? Well, you know one,

Hank Williams Junior. I said, yeah, we know him, and

he goes, but I also had a He says, also,

what's her name? I think it was eighth or something

like that. He says, I had a daughter and I

think he said the name was eighth or something like that.

So I said, okay, So anyhow, so as it goes on,

you know, he he evidently had I think it was

multiple sclerosis, real bad or multiple you know, one of

those degenerative muscle diseases. And that's why he was on

That's why I drank so much and was on the

narcotics because his pain was so intense. And evidently his

wife was very loyal to him and stayed by his side,

and finally, only a year or so before he died,

they divorced. She just couldn't really deal with all the

cheating and stuff anymore. And so anyhow, so she she

had divorced him, and I guess he was with another

woman when he passed a little later. So we did

the treat that the things moving and uh anyhow, so

uh uh uh. Finally his wife's there and this communicate

like you know, it's like and and he's he's communicating

with his wife and and apologizing for you know, like

not not being faithful and thanking her for you know,

staying staying with him and all that stuff, and and

then then it was over, and I'm like, and we're

all looking at each other, and we were asking him.

Let's see, we asked him what his favorite song was.

He said, You're cheating Heart was Gone, and uh uh.

Speaker 3: Yeah it was. It was.

Speaker 1: It was pretty interesting. And later come find out that

he indeed didn't have a daughter, but she didn't even know. Yeah,

Jet Jet was her name, that's right, And she didn't

even know she was his daughter till after he was gone.

So you know, anyhow, but he was telling his stuff

and PAMs are checking on the phone and going, that's right,

that's right, And he told us he was born in

Alabama and we didn't know that, and he gave us

his birthday and all that stuff, and wow, well check down,

now could you think that?

Speaker 5: Just think of the good you know, I mean, that's

just didn't see if they're over there, they've still.

Speaker 3: Got that one thing bugging them. They gotta you know.

Speaker 5: Forgive themselves or get forgiveness from somebody. They got to

say they're sorry for something they did to.

Speaker 3: Make up for.

Speaker 5: You know, we know multiple stories like this, but it's

just amazing. I mean when you have an outlet like

that and that light is so bright, like he said,

I'm aware of what you guys do.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so humbling to me. Wow, wow, so humbling.

And again, I you know what, I wait on a

stack of bibles. I was talking with Hank Williams. But

I mean it could have been, let's face it, you know,

could have been another energy, could have been something trying

to pull something over on.

Speaker 3: Us or what.

Speaker 1: That's fine, no real harm done. But it was just

sort of amazing what he's telling us and what's coming out.

Speaker 7: Yeah, may check all that stuff out. Yeah, And I'm like,

now this just happened. A couple of weeks ago that

lady I told you, Serenity Jenny, beautiful lady. We had

done a session or two and she comes up.

Speaker 1: To me and she says, she says, Jim, do you

know of a do you know a Joseph Smith or

maybe goes by Joe Smith, and I go, yeah, I

know Joseph Smith. Mind you, I'm Mormon, right, And for

anybody who's not familiar with the Olds Church, Joseph Smith

was our first prophet. So she goes, well, I an

energy came forward and told me his name is Joseph

Smith and he wanted me to give you a message.

And I said, yeah, I'd be really interested in that.

So she says, he tells me you're doing great work

and keep it up, and he's very proud of you.

Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1: So you know, I'm like, well, so I'm thinking to myself, well,

it's really cool. I don't know. Joseph Smith would say,

I can't imagine, you know, you take out his busy

whatever he's doing. But I said, well, that's nice, that's

very pleasant. So the very next day, at the end

of church, the bishop's secretary comes up and says, the

bishop would like to talk to you and your wife

if you have a few minutes. I said, sure. So

we meet with the bishop and evidently we had had

the female missionaries over for dinner, like the week earlier,

and I don't know what we said, but evidently my

wife and I must have said something about the Hoover

House to each other and they got all, you know again,

I don't know, I don't know what we said, but

they they were upset and what they heard, I mean,

I don't know, you know, maybe they heard the word ghosts.

I don't know, but anyhow, they had gone to the

bishop and talked to him, and so he was just

making sure those you know, you're you're not doing anything

untoward over there. And I said, Bishop, I don't vow.

I value nothing above my relationship with Jesus Christ. I

would never endanger it. I said, I'm not ashamed of

anything I do. I do it all with his name

and for his glory. And I said, I don't know

exactly what supposedly we said, but I said, no, we're

you know, I said, there's nothing going on there that's

untoward or that I'm ashamed of. I said, we're it's

a weird ministry I think I got for whatever reason.

And I said, uh, I try to keep myself word

and spiritual, and that's about the best I can do.

And I think he was fine with what we said.

But it really took me back. I mean, I've been

a member over fifty years and and never really you know,

hadn't never been reproached. My old bishop had done a

session with is over Hoover House. He had a child.

I didn't realize they had like five children, and they

all we knew all their children, but I didn't realize

early in their marriage they had lost a child. Well,

that child came through it to table. This is our

previous bishop. I never knew they had lost a child,

so you know, they knew what we did. Nothing of shame.

So then it suddenly hearken back. I'm thinking what Serenity

Jenny told me.

Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely it makes sense.

Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, I said, I said, you

know what, I really didn't think much of it at

a time, But now that I have a chance to

mullet through that. Maybe Joseph Smith was there and knowing

this would upset me, you know, all in your question

from a spiritual base, what I'm doing, maybe you know,

maybe his stamp of approval would help put away any

negativity about that about that, you know, so, I honest

to God my message surmanity Jenny, and I thanked her

for the message. And you know what, I sort of

believed that maybe Joseph Smith did come through that night

and gave her message for me.

Speaker 3: Not nice.

Speaker 1: So you know it's it's like you can't make that stuff.

Speaker 3: Up right, And that's just it too.

Speaker 5: I mean, we think about it all the time when

you're looking at reincarnations and they say, well, why is

somebody always reincarnated.

Speaker 3: Back to famous? Well they're not.

Speaker 5: You know, I don't know where people get that idea

from or why somebody famous couldn't come through a session,

because again, if we're all connected and you know this energy,

you know, just say, it's like putting out a beacon,

a light, like a like a lighthouse in a you know,

in a in a dark night, right, and a spirit

connects into that and goes, you know, what what are

they doing over there?

Speaker 3: Oh?

Speaker 5: You know they're doing I wonder if they could connect

in Well, it's not just that, I think they get

help too with other spirit guides. Their spirit guides everything

else is going on, and you know, of course, all

the commotion that must if you ever thought of what

it must look like, Jim, when when you've got a

slash with a bunch of good people and everybody's just

there kind of waiting to get through, to connect in

with somebody or give a message.

Speaker 3: Here, it's just it's so important, you know.

Speaker 1: Well now and here here's another this. I wrote this

down when it happened because it impressed me so much.

We've been i'll be in fairness, and Spirit has reproached

just because initially we were very good about logging in

and recording all these sessions, and then we got lazy,

you know, and and a little more haphazard, and Spirit

reproached us about it, like, you know, why are we

revealing you truths and stuff and you're not really being

a good steward. And I said, no, you're right. And

also they get upset there we did. We don't share

the wealth among the tables, so we actually have to.

We've been admonished to get together a book of the tables,

list them all and sort of keep a record of

how we're using them, and try to make a make

more of an effort getting around it because they gained

their own power and strength from you doing the sessions.

I will tell you that. So anyhow, there was this

guy and he had an attachment and he told Steve

in advance, and Steve somehow the spirit told him, make

him come down here. So the guy came down, got

to meet him for the first time, really liked him,

and he's telling us all. He's telling us some pretty

interesting tales. And so when we go to do a session,

real quickly you're into the session, Steve says, break from

the table, and we break. And Steve had picked up

on a very powerful negative energy that was trying to

present and I will say probably the most negative energy

that we've ever had try to present at the house,

and probably way above the grade of our resident energies

in vetting, you know the process. So he broke and

within maybe two or three minutes, I felt the presence

of a very strong, powerful white light. I mean, it

just it radiated. It gave you like hell, my god,

it it just made you so powerful. And I said,

get back on the table, guys, and we did, and

literally right away comes through and it identified itself. The

name was Invictus, which means I guess never conquered, and

Victis come through and for our guests that was there,

he basically said, I removed that energy from you, you know,

as an attachment. I removed that from you, and you're

going to see your life improved, and you'll know it

comes from me. But then along that he gave an admonishment.

He told Steve and myself and this person never to

go to the house where he got this attachment, and

he had earlier told him, and I'll tell you. I

don't want to say the name of it, because I don't,

but it's a famous place. A lot of people go there,

and supposedly, by by this guest's own words, this energy

comes on as your friend and you feel comforted and

you feel a closeness, and then it turns on you

and starts to make your life hell. And this is

very like I said, this is this has been documented

in the books, this place and all that stuff. So

I'd never been there before, and of course I will

not go there. So this guy came back about three

weeks later, and then Victors came through again and said,

I don't think you're believing me, said, you know it's gone,

It's not going to bother you and you're going to

see things go well. And this guy just started a

business up in this field and it was going real

good and and I guess you know, his personal relationships

were proving and things are really looking up. And uh

anyhow he went back up to that house and things

have started to fall apart.

Speaker 3: He went back back.

Speaker 5: Oh no, geez, see stee you, how many times have

we heard this? They can't they just they go back

or they call it back or are.

Speaker 2: Too many unfortunately?

Speaker 3: Ah geez.

Speaker 1: And I remember him telling me, you know, he how

you know, this thing has sort of nestled him in

and made him feel it and all that, and then

it just turned on him like a dying and it

just really started his life started falling apart. And uh

so I'm telling you, and Victis was power man. That

that was, that was a high order whatever that was

that was. I don't I don't know if Invictus was

an angel or just a power component, but I mean

it was amazing. And like I said, I documented all

that right the way because it's so impressed itself upon me.

And you can't give me any amount of money to

go to that place. So you know, we have learned.

I will tell you that we've learned to be obedient

to spirit. We know we can gauge, and I'm you know,

you can't just be blind about this, because you know,

there's a lot of mischieficity and long stuff out there.

But that's one thing. I think we've all developed a

pretty good strong guidance and discernment on what we're dealing with.

Speaker 5: Yeah, and even being able to go down, you know,

like tell them a little bit about the seller and

a little bit of the history on the basic your.

Speaker 1: Whole and you're said, well, I'll let you talk about that.

You're I'll just go to say that your uh, your

experience and your impressions have been duplicated by many others

over the last couple of years.

Speaker 5: Uh.

Speaker 1: We we've got a pretty good veet on that whole

situation and what went down. But but let go ahead

and I'll let you talk.

Speaker 3: Awhile, Well, I didn't know very much.

Speaker 5: We went down in the cellar. We were we were

there with a couple of friends. I'm pretty sure Mike

Latiana was there, and both my sons were there, my

new daughter in law and Jim was there, and our

friend Mike Simpson was there and everybody that we were doing.

Like the opening, Jim was explaining a couple of things

to the people that were there. There was a couple

other people in the group as well, and uh, Mike

was talking and then Jim finished up with talking to the.

Speaker 3: To the spirits in the cellar.

Speaker 5: Now this seller, as far as I know, there's was

a couple of exits, maybe at least one entrance to

go down into it. And it was a use to

to speak easy during prohibitionion was it not? So they

had they had that going on, but and then.

Speaker 3: Everything else that's been through the years, so a lot

of energy's passings.

Speaker 2: Just something about those places that were speak Easies that

they seem to have more activity and more energy in them.

I don't know what it is, just the people there

that hung out there. Maybe they loved that and they

like coming back to that place, or I don't know

just how i'd interject that there.

Speaker 3: I don't know. It could be the energy, it could be.

You know, you got a lot of energy going on there.

Speaker 5: You don't only just have the people gathering to drink

and party and do whatever.

Speaker 3: Kind of you know, nonsense.

Speaker 5: They'd be up to with gambling, prostitution, you name it,

all the way through, and all the emotions that go

with that, with the relationships, with hiding, the you know, hiding,

the beausey adrenaline of that.

Speaker 3: You know, and always being on the lookout. I mean,

there's just so much going on.

Speaker 5: But we're all sitting there, and I believe Jim was

saying a little bit of a comforting kind of opening

to the spirits around, like you can trust us.

Speaker 3: Everybody here is in you know, good intent. You know,

everybody here's friending. And at that time when he said trust,

I heard trust. Huh.

Speaker 5: I'll show you what what it meant. What I saw

trust as or she said it's weird, you know, not

in our vernacular, in a different way, at a different time.

The way she said it was like what trust looked

like to me, or how I saw trust, or something

along those lines. And it all came in a big

wave because the next thing I know, I'm feeling a

pressure like something like there was almost just like a

hand inside my throat squeezing. It wasn't from the outside in.

It was like from the inside in. And I started

to choke. But at the time I'm choking you almost

didn't have time to process and panic.

Speaker 3: About the fact that you were having a hard time.

Speaker 5: Breathing and you were being choked by something you couldn't see.

It was what she was showing me. What she was

showing me was what she was seeing. And it was

when she died and she was looking at someone whom

she trusted, and the process of her realizing that the

person she trusted wasn't someone to trust, that he was

in fact hurting her and then in fact killing her,

and that was her last thoughts, I trusted you, and

that's what kind of set her off. And she must

have turned to me because she knew I'd understand. But

also at the same time, I'm getting.

Speaker 3: Not Ali.

Speaker 5: I died in the alley. He killed me in the alley.

I'm Alice Son.

Speaker 1: Just go keep talking. I have to one of my

phones getting down, so I don't have honey, get a

patch cord. I'll plug it in and I'll be like

that all right for me.

Speaker 5: So she's saying, I'm Alice Son. Now somebody I guess

in the house. She was coming through one of the

pieces of equipment where it comes through as a word,

and it was saying Ali Ali Ali before in another fashion,

not this one, and I believe everybody started calling her Alli,

and it was kind of ticking her off because she's

My name is Alice Son, you know.

Speaker 3: She was very specific about that.

Speaker 5: Well, everybody in the circle, like everybody's kind of sitting

or standing around in a semi circle kind of thing

in this dark cellar in the middle.

Speaker 3: Of the night, you know, you know, like you do, and.

Speaker 5: This is happening, and it was just it was so

amazing that all I had to do was hold up

my hand, you know, to the all the men that

around me, and I'm just like, I'm okay, let it go,

let it roll, Let it roll, because she's showing me

something and I can't talk.

Speaker 3: I'm just doing it with my hand in my face

and I'm still. You think everybody'd be jumping and.

Speaker 5: Jump on you, you know, but these are such wonderful

trained people that understood what was going on.

Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm okay, let it play.

Speaker 5: And I got that information and then from then all

we were I was able to explain that she was

killed in the alley by somebody she trusted that we

pieced together.

Speaker 3: As far as I understood that night, that she was there.

She maybe even had a child she was trying to

provide for. She didn't like it. She had turned to

kind of.

Speaker 5: Being a prote but she had picked out like a couple.

I know it sounds awful to say, but this is

just how she explained it to me. People that she

was familiar with, that she was comfortable with, and she

could almost kind of tell herself that she wasn't really

doing that she was dating, if that makes kind of sense,

and it made it made her feel better.

Speaker 3: In her mind.

Speaker 5: But now that this guy that she trusted had betrayed

her and killed her, I still don't know why he

did it. She was trying to move past all that. Well,

I hear now it's possible. When Jim comes back, he

can tell you that.

Speaker 3: Possibly we did help her out. Maybe not all that night.

Speaker 5: It takes several times, you know, but I think they

got her across, and I think she.

Speaker 3: Has come back to help the guy that's there. That

was what I was getting. What have you heard, Jim?

Are you ready or no?

Speaker 1: It's sort of yeah, yeah, let me fus inn. That

was quite okay, here's the tragedy of it. Yep. She

in other words, she had had a young child by

this gentleman. They were they were a little ma and

a couple, and I don't know what happened, but he

he threw around and and honest side, I don't have

a good feel of the period. I'm thinking it's depression here.

So you know, things are tough, and especially for a

single woman with a child, and so to get things

to survive and with a young child. I think she

was maybe prostituting and one day he saw her u

I guess, coming into the speakeasy with the gentleman, and

I think he, you know, killed or strangled or whatever

out the the alleyway at of age. Now here's the

tragic part. She's so in love with him. She has

not crossed, and you don't want to cross without him.

Well he's hadn't he's not repentant, and so here she

is delaying her advancement, waiting on him because she she

wants him to be able to progress with her. And

I don't know where the hell to start with that.

She she's still there in that same feeling like you got,

and and that that's been that's been duplicated so many times, son,

So you're spot on with that, no two ways, and

we don't know what may have happened to the child,

but it's so it is quite tragic. And then Pam

got it. Did you mention about the picture? Pam got?

Speaker 3: I didn't tell that. Why don't you tell that?

Speaker 1: Yeah, Pam, Pam has a picture and I could certainly

if any if anybody would like to see it or

that if they don't want to give an email or that,

I could certainly send it to But in that area

where our bathrooms were, to speak, easy in the corner,

Pam got this amazing shot and there's something materializing out

of the floor and it's like a black mist coming up,

and it's got it's sort of like a top form

and it spreads out and when you look at it,

you just feel very uneasy. And we there's been a

several things happened that have led us to believe that

that is actually the gentleman who did her in. That's

a boyfriend.

Speaker 3: And I don't know whether you're aware of it or not, Jim,

but that night.

Speaker 5: Mike and I want to say his friend Nick that

I could be off on the name.

Speaker 3: I forget.

Speaker 5: No Brandon was branded one of them took a picture

of me when I was getting choked and I was

getting that info. And behind me is that shadow guy

hanging upside down from the pipes in that little room

that was right where Mike uh Simpson was standing.

Speaker 3: I'll send it to you. You can see it.

Speaker 5: He's hanging upside down, perfect figure of a shadow person

hanging upside down, like they're hanging off the pipes, almost

upside down.

Speaker 1: Yeah, we're hopeful. By the way, I'll throw his name

out there. Mike Simpson's a dear friend. He he had

started a new job last year and so he didn't

have much vacation hours of stuff. But he has a

February he's got now hours and stuff. So he is

planning on coming to the Bash this year, and we'd

like to have him in to help us on a

couple of investigations because he's such a wonderful presenter. And yeah, oh,

let me let me tell this. Toal this this I

think people. I've been asked back again this year, so

I'm really excited. In the Gettysburg area at the Eisenhower Complex,

which is where the Bash is going to be posting

this year, it's a it's a larger area and it affords, uh,

it affords a lot of expansion for the bash that

we sort of needed. Well anyhow, they every year they

have a group of people who I forget their exact name,

but they're greyhound owners and they all get together. I

owned two greyhounds in the basket. Love them. We're a

wonderful creature and there are some of my favorite dogs.

But she they always have somebody come talk to them

about Gettysburg and the ghosts they're there and stuff like that.

And they had asked me last year if I would present,

so I agreed and it was a Sunday, so it's

a turnout. As I get away, they it's a I

think a three or four day event and people come

with the greyhounds. They put carpeting down so it doesn't

damage anything, and the participants are encouraged to bring their dogs.

So anyhow, so I go to present, well find that

it's getaway day and stuff like that. I'm like, oh

my gosh, I said, I'll be lucky if I have

five or six people come to my presentation. They had

all the special equipment set up and all so as

it gets there, oh my god, to come piling in

I had like over eighty people come in that day.

It was wonderful, and I had a picture of my

old greyhounds with me, and so we're talking and I'm

you know, telling them about and a lot of these

people have real interest in the paranormal, in various groups

from all up and down the East coast. There were

a lot of people there from New England. So anyhow,

the whole time I'm waiting for them to come and

my things start, I'm getting white out a wave of

energy like I never had felt. I'm like, what in

the hell I mean, it was like a tsunami of energy.

And then as the people started filing in and bringing

their dogs, and I realized, I said, I bet most

of these people they're probably on the third, fourth or

fifth greyhound, you know, they've had several before. And I said,

it's their Dagon greyhounds. Their friends are with them from

the past, along with the new dog guy and so anyhow,

so toward the end of the presentation, I had my

FAsMA box, which is, you know, just another ghost box

and stuff, and I've had real good results with it.

So I tell the people, I said, you know, let's

round things out. At the end here. Let me put

on my pasma box. And I said, I have a

feeling there's a lot of energy in this them and

I think, I think I know what it is, and

I think it's your former companions are with you here today.

And I said, let's turn on the pasm box and

see what we get. I turn it on, and what

do you expect? I got water wall barking. And it

wasn't the dogs in the room. They were all you know,

dog greyhounds are couch potatoes, so they tend to just

like to lay around, and they were at their master's

feet laying around. But when I turned on the pasma box,

my gosh, the dogs are barking, and and of course

it caught the attention of the dogs that were there.

And so after a while, it maybe like five minutes,

I was insensuous barking. I said, okay, guys, I said,

your owners knew you from your previous names, So I said,

would you please call out your names so your owners

might recognize them? And there's no life for about five minutes.

Out come these names, you know, Oscar, Orville, John, you

know all this stuff. You see these things coming out,

and every so often there'd be someone that was my dog.

That was my dog. So I was not any way,

shape or form expected I come home here. I was wasted,

you know, that energy for you know, about two two

and a half hours. Holy crap. So they asked this year,

which I'm thrilled they did, And I'm going to take

a friend with me who does re enact, and so

we'll dress in period dress and we're going to do

some talk about Monterey Pass They were sort of developing.

Speaker 5: Oh love to do that, but I love to dress

up and talk about history, Jim.

Speaker 3: I need to get out like.

Speaker 2: A good time, like these ghost walks and things that

they have when they do there and tells you about

I love it.

Speaker 1: We are just just for for the audience sake. Monterey

Passes relatively unknown as far as Civil War history goes.

What happened as Gettysburg was over, Lee was about fifty

four miles away from getting back into Virginia. So he

had to negotiate fifty some miles of enemy territory with

a bunch of wounded and disabled men. And also they

had they had tens of thousands ahead of cattle that

they had uh and other animals that they had gotten

for food stuffs from the neighboring farms. So it was

like it was a menagerie. And if you can imagine,

they had these buckboard wagons. They were very long, and

they didn't even have hay or straw in most of them.

It was just buckboards. And these roads were just rocks

and up and down, and these poor wounded men laying

in these wagons begging, begging to be taken out and

just leave them out in the woods to die, because

I can't even begin to imagine the pain they were in.

So this is on July, you know, July first, second,

and third was Gettysburg. Lee's army. At that point, the

wagons and munitions and all this stuff would have made

up a set of wagon trains seventy two miles long,

you can imagine. So he couldn't go in one line,

so he broke them up into two. One of them

headed west toward Chambersburg and then later turned down toward Hagerstown.

The other left through Fairfield, which is just below Gettysburg

and to the east of Waynesboro. That area, as it

joins up toward Waynesboro becomes very rocky and hilly and

even mountainous. It's sort of near South Mountain, so Me

didn't know. Me didn't know where Lee was. So he

sent generals Clustard and he was at Kirkpatrick. He sent

his Calvary generals out to try to find where Lee was,

and on the night of July fourth, there to the

east of Waynesboro, in a blinding thunderstorm, the Union army

ran into the back of Lee's wagons and it was

total chaos, probably the most chaotic battle of the war.

There were cannons going off firing. The cattle, of course,

you know, were stampede. Then he plunged over the heights

to their deaths, including Calvary. There was a total mess,

and of course the men firing and all these wounded.

There was a local girl was a hero. The Union

cavarry picked her up. She had seen the Confederates coming

through the woods and they picked her up in her

saddle and she was showing them where some of the

Confederate positions were.

Speaker 2: Wow.

Speaker 1: There was a Medal of Honor winner of course on

the northern side from that battle as well. So it

was just totally chaotic. The people in Waynesboro came out

and looked to the east to see all the munitions

exploding and stuff and the fires, and there was like

the fourth of July. Wow, the battle raged until the

morning over in the Maryland. It actually is the only

battle that encompassed both sides of the Mason Dixon line

at once. It's hardly even known. And when they set

about creating Gettysburg Battlefield, the four hundred and some acres

that make up Monterey Pass were offered to Gettysburg and

they said, man, we already got plenty of stuff here,

so they were interested. So a private group obtained the

land and has been basically preserving it and they put

up a small museum there with a ton of artifacts

from the battle. And we're currently engaged in trying to

buy a tollgatehouse from the eighteen thirties that was right

in the middle of the battle. Unraising. And last year

we started the first formal investigations and Monterey Pass and

we had it with historians and some noted other investigators,

and what we rapidly found were three and segments of life.

We found the early colonists there from say the late

seventeen hundreds. We found Native Americans that lived in the area,

and they presented themselves, and then of course we found

the soldiers and those energies connected with the battlefield as

amazing the stuff we got, and we had some several psychics,

and we had a total of three investigations last year

and each one was more successful than the last. And

we're out there at night. They had notified the local authorities,

so everybody, you know, it was cool. Nobody was and

they opened up the museum force for l all night.

And this year it's even expanded. The one we're having

one of the times we've got ten historians coming with

us to verify information we get and the information the

soldier or the others have given us. And it is

part of what was known as was it the Road West.

It was it was part of the first road to

extend west from Philadelphia to go out and it is

still pretty much virtually untouched and undeveloped from that period.

And you can find period glass, colored glass that they

just threw away in large trenches from the early eighteen hundreds,

just digging down six or seven inches. So the area,

they've got a couple a couple what it paths that

you can take. It's a little steep, it's a little

steep from me. I got my bull waiter out there.

But it's truemazing and it's, oh my god, it's it's

virtually untouched. The energies were so thrilled to give their

stories to us and tell us about, you know, what

they had seen and experienced. One of the real haunting

EVPs we got. We were with a group of men

and we asked if we could do anything for them,

and they hear it real They just asked for us

to pray for them, and uh. We also encountered a

black regiment of Confederate soldiers that came out of where

was I think it was Alabama and Steve Mum one

of the ving actors, he was able to verify the

information they gave. A lot of people don't realize that

at one point there were some uh, there were some

black slaves fighting in the Southern armies.

Speaker 3: That's so true.

Speaker 1: So anyhow we encountered that. It was it was wonderful

and this year we've expanded it. Stee. I think that

we're going to have four eights that we're going to

do a formal investigation at night there and also there's

going to be in April a full reenactment with all

the presenters and and you know some of the local reenactments.

So most it was the second largest battle on Pennsylvania soil,

and most Pennsylvanias don't even know it, don't even aren't

even aware of it. So we've been trying to uh uh,

you know, bring an awareness about that they and we

were able to actually uncover and we were able to

verify this story. And I think it, I think it

bears repeating because it chose the humanity of General Lee. Here.

He is just lost Gettysburg. You got to know how

crushing that was to him. He offered it, He offered

to tender his resignation to Jefferson Davis, who would have

none of it. And anyhow, he's coming back through Waynesboro

and that it doesn't exist now, but there used to

be a public fountain there and he stopped to water

traveler and a gentleman came up. Now this story is regarded.

A gentleman came up from the town. He had fought

with Lee in the Mexican War. And it came up

and he said, you know, General Lee, I don't know

if you remember me, you know, so, and so we

fought down at such and such, and of course Lee,

I don't know if he really remembered him or not,

but he said he did. They exchanged nice andies for

about ten minutes. And then here's the neat story that

we uncovered and have been verified. A local family had

just had a child. There was a couple of weeks old. Well,

here's the most famous person to ever visit Waynesboro in

the town square, and the people bought their baby up

for General Lee to hold now here he has just

suffered just crushing defeat. These people from the enemy side

come up. They tell generally the good news that they

just had a child, give him the name, and generally

takes off his gloves and stuff and holds the child

and sort of blesses the child. And then it turns

it to the people, along with one of their calling carts,

that they used. The cavity that happened in Namesboro a

couple of days after Gettysburg shows the humanity of the man.

True story.

Speaker 2: Wow, that's a great story. Unfortunately, though, we're almost out

of time here and not those two hours just flew by.

But Jim and Cisco, I want to thank you both

for being here. Thank you for taking the conversation here

and since you knew a lot of these stories and

knew what to have Jim talk about. This is fascinating,

fascinating stuff. And again I'll leave the links in the

description for Hoover House to the website and how you

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there in the Tri state area.

Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's always wonderful with Cisco and

you too, Steve, and I appreciate you giving me a time.

It really is how we really feel, truly blessed indeed.

Speaker 2: And we'll have to have you back sometime soon and

we can continue where we left off here.

Speaker 1: It becomes wonderful.

Speaker 3: I love you both, and everybody just be good humans.

I love you guys. Bye.

Speaker 2: Hey, I'm going to take this song out of here.

I'm Steve Stockton. E've been listening to everything out there

on the Clyde Lewis Ground zero Radio network. I'll see

a little further on down the trail. Tell your animals,

I said, hi, good night, everybody,