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Speaker 1: It's the Internet. You're busy, Let's do this. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Me is Jawn Turbo Shan McDowell.

Speaker 1: In today's episode, Steam Machine review kind of sort of,

I've started messing around with it a little bit. Layoffs

at Bungee Star Fox is back Jack. But first, Sean,

how are you doing?

Speaker 2: Been better? Jeff? Been better? Shitty news day, A lot happening,

A lot of the street continues. Mike Minati nowhere to

be found when all the bad news happened, so I

have to talk about it. Thanks for that.

Speaker 1: I think he might be behind it all. He's orchestrating,

he's pulling the strings.

Speaker 2: I think he just he knows so he knows the

town so he can dodge that. So I'm here tonight.

You know everything's going up in price. No one can't

afford shit. They lay at the end of the tunnel.

I was gonna watch my good friend Jeff Grubb play

Monster of the def Faull fantasy right now right eye

bombed today. Then ug knockou Waltz is into your basement

with a fucking gun, shoots your PS four pros SSC

and says.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it working. Now we'll try so we'll

try again tomorrow. Uh shit, it looked pretty cool. That

Monster of the Deep was scary. I just got to

the title screen. I don't know if that was actually

the Monster of the Deep, but there was.

Speaker 2: Definitely seriously right.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean there was a bunch of fish, but

there was one especially scary one. We'll see. Uh yeah, yeah,

we'll play some of that. It's man, who knew fishing

was going to keep me so busy. It's definitely kept

me on my toes back. I know, I haven't had

time for much else actually, but yeah, it's been fun

over there, having a good time doing that. But you're right, Sean,

it's a healthscape and we're going to talk about it.

It's kind of going to be Today's show kind of

going over all this stuff. We'll try to figure out

where gaming's at, kind of see like why these things

are happening. I think we have some pretty good ideas

of why prices are going up still and why they

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With all that out of the way, let's go ahead

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That's right, we're back everybody, and the big topics of

the week is you know, there's actually several kind of

things that are worth talking about. Let's start with Valve.

Let's start with the Steam machine. We did get the

price for that one fifty dollars for the base model,

which is without a Steam controller and five hundred and

twelve gigabytes of storage, no verys in the processor or

GPU or anything like that, as expected. The two terabyte

model is the variation here. You can get one of

those for thirteen forty nine. Then if you do want

either of those with the controller, you are going to

be talking about eleven twenty eight and fourteen twenty eight respectively. Yes,

woof indeed, but these this is the range I think

we were kind of expecting in the last few weeks

as we kept watching this can get kicked down the

road and all of the component prices continuing to go

up and continuing to spread into other areas and continuing

to spread like sort of downward into other products. It's like, Okay,

it's getting worse, not getting any better. There is no relief.

Every time it does feel like the AI bubble might burst,

which is not going to solve this overnight by any means.

That doesn't happen. That also keeps getting kicked down the road.

So these companies have to a certain point just like

pick the price that they can live with in the

medium term. And so here we are. It's get on arrival,

is the thing I keep hearing people say, and I

think that might be overstating it a little bit. Yeah,

but it's also for most people that's how they feel.

Speaker 2: I think, yeah, this is like, like you mentioned, if

you were paying attention, this is roughly how much we

expect it to cost, maybe even a little less, because

maybe this is just this is just how much a

computer costs nowadays everybody like people have done the math.

Gamers and Nexus and Digital Foundry both did the math

and think PC world. They also did some pricing out

of stuff, and if you built a PC roughly on

equivalent with the Steam machine, roughly on par with it,

it comes out to about thousand dollars, So you know,

depending on how much you want to cheap out on

like a case of maybe a lesser brand of power supply,

simpler motherboard or stuff like that. Even if you cheap out,

they're really only charging you like one hundred dollars premium

to basically have a pre built PC and one with

the unique hardware features like you know, beyond turnout with

the control or and even that small form factor. It is,

you know, a little bit bigger than a GameCube, but

it is p S five level of fidelity. So yeah,

like this is just how much that costs nowadays, they're

not taking people for a ride. That's just where we're

at exactly. There's there's more of this subject that may

we'll talk about in a second here, but everything's going

up across the board and nobody, no company can achieve

profitability without raising their prices as much. They Valve said

that if you look at the Steam deck and how

much they increase that price, well, you know, they couldn't

commit to something, but they said, you can maybe do

the math to figure out how much they had to

raise the Steam machine buy and it would have so

that means that like working backwards, it will have come

out to like maybe around seven fifty I think is

what most people are landing on, and that sounds right.

For like, if you take the pre rise price of

a PS five and compare that to a seven hundred

and fifty dollars Steam machine, that's roughly equivalent to like,

I think that the basic nap can map tends to

be roughly two hundred ish, maybe three hundred more or

a PC for the equivalent, like level of console performance

is usually what it is the difference between the two.

So this would have made sense, and so the price

increase makes sense, as we see with other companies, including

the console makers raising the prices proportionately as well.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I am as you said, well, we'll get into that,

and you know, we know this. We can talk it

through and explain it and get you know, and at

a lower price. And it's like, you know, the PS

five Pro is a lower price, and this is a

lower price. When you're like, ah, you know, it's not

as powerful as a PS five Pro and the PS

five pros a little bit less money. I think people

are still like, yeah, but I can get on PC

and get a bunch of PC games I've always wanted

to play and I've not been in the PC ecosystem.

They could still talk themselves into it a little bit.

At this price, it's like, well, I'm clearly choosing one

or the other. Maybe if I even feel like I'm

capable of producing that amount of money to buy something.

And at that point, I gotta feel like the PS

five Pro is going to be a better deal because

I'm going to be getting better visuals in most games,

and it has most of the games that I want

to play. And that's you know, that's the conversation that

was probably always going to play out to some extent

for most people, but it just feels exacerbated by these

very high numbers that we're seeing right now.

Speaker 2: It's no longer a commodity.

Speaker 1: It's an investment, luxury, luxury good, not a commodity. Nope. Yes,

and that's because the things that are going inside these things,

which were very commodified over decades of sort of refinement,

they have become like but you could put a thing

of a stick of ram on a necklace right now

it is jewelry. It is just insane what has happened.

And to that end, there's not you know, the light

at the end of the tunnel isn't really there for

this stuff in any real way. We just don't expect

this stuff to be solved anytime soon the next two

three years, and then when we do get on the

other side, it's probably not going to be like it was.

Maybe ever like it might never be like it was.

And that's the real that's the real kicker here.

Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to talk about the other price increases

that we saw today as sort of by comparison, I

don't think we have in the rundown, but we talk.

Speaker 1: About Yeah, yeah, let me actually get the details here

real quick.

Speaker 2: So broadly speaking, Apple announced price increases, and in general

it's like one hundred to two hundred dollars per product

based on how much the starting price was. Xbox is

the pasetek, Yeah yeah, Xbox is the big one. Xbox

also announced price increases today. That's the third price increase.

They didn't even announce MSRPs. They didn't say what the

new MSRPs are. They just said for items in the

stack that cost or that have five hundred and twelve

gigabytes of stores, they would go up by one hundred,

and items that are one terror byte go up by

one fifty and two terror By models are discontinued. So

if you actually do the math there, and I had

to like look up like the MSRPs of each one

because I'm like, wait, how much were each of these

after the price increase? So, if I'm getting it right,

the Series S went up to four hundred, which means

that the Series S will now cost five hundred dollars

and the Series X is now six point fifty. That's

gonna be an eight hundred dollars console for the baseline

Series X.

Speaker 1: Yes, it is, Sean, that is deeply What do you

even need to talk after that line, Mike drop after

saying exactly, I mean, that's that is unreasonable. That is unacceptable,

maybe is the better way of saying it. It's flabbergasting

because we were not selling a lot of these things anyhow,

and so's and they know that. So they're not doing

this unless they unless they have to to a certain extent.

And at the same time, Sean, I think there is

a little bit of if we're gonna do this, we

gotta do it now because Grand Theft Auto six is

our last chance to sort of get in before the

door closes. Yeah, and I think that they think they

can maybe get away with things a little bit more

because of that. Now, you know, this is the manufacturer

suggested retail price. These things are going to get discounted

a lot, I bet you know, discounted from the current

the new price back down to the prices that we

kind of have maybe right now. And but that's you know,

it's all about raising that average sales price, and this

will lead to that. But yeah, I mean this, there's

rumors still that they're going to PlayStation somebody's going to

watch a PlayStation six next year the helix? Would that

come next year as well or the year after that

even And that just seems like you can't do that

right now. How is that going to possibly be? How

are you gonna have the capability to actually pull that off?

It doesn't seem like it's possible right now.

Speaker 2: I thought this through a lot today while I was

running errands, and I want to do a thought experiment

with you, Jeff. Please gut reaction, not necessarily analyzing or

going off of an info or anything like that. Gut reaction.

How much do you think the PlayStation six costs?

Speaker 1: I think the PlayStation six is going to be nine

to ninety nine. I think they're going to try to

keep it on three.

Speaker 2: Thousands, yeah, or like right there. So I was thinking about,

I think we need to like look at the PS

four Pro to try to like figure some of this

stuff out. The PS four Pro came in at four

hundred dollars went launched, which was the old MSRP of

the PS four when that launched, so it took the

new MSRP Xbox One at the price.

Speaker 1: That was the whole idea.

Speaker 2: Exactly one x. The equivalent Pro console was a one

hundred dollars premium over the MRP. Yeah, it came at

five hundred dollars so, and that was a much more

powerful console though, so you got what you were paying

for with the extra one hundred over the original MSRP.

When the psfive Pro came out, it was two hundred

dollars more than the MSRP of the PS five. It

did not replace the PS five's MSRP. It wasn't even

a little bit of a premium. It was two hundred

dollars more for the digital only addition. People often throw

around the price for just the base Pro equivalent experience,

it's seven to fifty. It was a two hundred and

fifty dollars premium for the version with the discard.

Speaker 1: The Pro even come with the stand, so it's like

more than that, it's like seven eighty. I think we'll

hire something.

Speaker 2: I think it comes with, like ay stand, I forget

it might be like the little plastic feet that you

get with the Slim nowadays. Sure, But the point I'm

getting at with all this is that, so the PS

five did not replace the PS four pros MSRP. They

went with a higher price for the base PS five.

PS five Pro went even higher. They didn't replace the

PS five. So PS five Pro is now nine hundred dollars.

There's no way it's going to be less than that,

Like there's they can't get it below that because it

needs to either replace or be above that. If it's

a more powerful console. I think, yeah, we are looking

at a thousand dollars machine if they launched the next year,

even if they launched them like two years at this.

Speaker 1: Point, and like, I think, it's like it is even

more black and white than that. That A lot of times,

the whole point of these midgen consoles is to set

up the pricing of the next generation. It is to

make sure that they can keep a higher price in

mind so that the anchor pricing, which is something that

the economists that work at all these companies think about

a lot. Where's the anchor for the consumer? What are

they thinking about when they think of console? What numbers

in their head? And these pro models help push that

price way higher so that they can't. They gives them

wiggle room. Right if things were rosy right now and

everyone was making a ton of money and everything was cheap,

and they could launch a console at a reduced price,

they would they probably would try to do that. We

saw a little bit of a chicken game of chicken

between Xbox and PlayStation when it came to launching the

ps F five and the Xbox Series X. At the time,

they both were probably like, could we get away with

six hundred? They both held off to the last minute.

They both settled on five hundred because no one wanted

to be the six hundred dollars console and the other

one be five hundred. It would have been rough. So

they did that. So there was some competition there that

has definitely been you know, mitigated, if not eliminated. And

then there's all these other concerns and they would tell you,

they would rank all of those other concerns way higher.

And so now that they give it, they've given themselves

that wiggle room with the PS five pro pricing, they're

gonna use it. You're right, No way that it will

be cheaper than nine hundred dollars.

Speaker 2: Yeah, like it it might, it might not be able

to be. Yeah, when like when the Xbox News came out, naturally,

a bunch of people were like, oh fuck Xbox you know,

oh they Microsoft couldn't take a hit on this one,

or a where like that. It's the same thing. It

drove me crazy when people are doing that with the

Steam Machine, saying like fu Valve, I hope this thing fails.

I hope he show Valve. Oh Gabe, you know needs

to buy in our yacht or whatever. No, that's just

how much the computer costs. Like that's just straight up

component pricing, and they break like m.

Speaker 1: I brought this up a long time ago. Can't remember

wh I originally heard it, but someone else said it,

but it was like definitely something like yeah, that's right,

that's a computer. Sure it's running Linux, but you couldn't

install Windows on it. But it runs Linux. It's a

computer if it was cheaper they subsidized it. Businesses could

just buy those things up and make that their business

computer and not buy any games. And that is a

harding for these companies to deal with. They would not

want to be the one subsidizing computers for a bunch

of businesses.

Speaker 2: And also, like stevepoint on the Gamers Taxes video, there

are person of the world where Valve is under scrutiny

of being monopoly still, and so they need to start

speaking like, you know, we support open ecosystems, which they

genuinely do, you know, making a bunch of their stuff.

Speaker 1: So their defense mechanism it's you know, there's it's twofold

there at Valve, and you know I kind of know this.

But also you could just tell by looking at them

that they do believe in open ecosystems and the lawyers

they are like, you know, this helps us, This definitely

benefits us. For the problems that I'm looking at that

I think could be an issue, we need to say

we're open and actually mean it. And so yeah, they're.

Speaker 2: Still the capitalism baby. They still steal money, like they

don't care how you give them the money, as long

as you give them the money. So if they can

get good pr and get your money, that's what they're

going to do. And that's frankly, how like most business

issould just be yeah, just give us the money and

we'll like make you happy in return. Win win for

everybody involved. But specifically, the reason I brought this up

in relation to Xbox is because they need Xbox. Welcome

me here. Xbox needs to raise the price on these things.

While whereas like Microsoft could take the hit, Xbox can't

because the console cannot be subsidized, like by two hundred

dollars or something like that. Because if Microsoft sees that

Xbox doesn't exist anymore, these things need to be at least,

you know, moderately profitable or break even on the hardware

somewhere around there. Otherwise the consoles do not exist. And

so that's why Xbox has to do this as a division,

despite the fact that parent company Microsoft is contributing to

the reason that the prices aren't going up.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that's you know, of course, that's

why this is all a clown show. It's it's just

a nightmare. It is completely like when you just look

at it on its face, it's so frustrating to have

to go through this byzantine way that it all works.

But you're right, and we know that they aren't making

any money their their profit margins at three percent is

what they've flat out stated. They can't lie about that

because that's stuff that could be taking this as lined

to investors. So three percent profit margin is nothing. It's

not a profit margin at all, you know, especially as

we see inflation is at four percent right now surrounding Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah,

and so they're making this little money as they possibly

can make. And yeah, and then again, people can make

all the points they want about Microsoft having all the money.

You're right, if Xbox is losing money, they will just

stop making those consoles, and they kind of want to

keep making those consoles so they can justify some sort

of future for that business. And I don't know, I

also think that Microsoft just wouldn't let them because eventually

they might think about offloading Xbox or finding some way

for it to spend off on its own, and that

telling the story of it being an ecosystem is still

going to matter, and that'll still yeah. So but if that, hey,

if that means when you see these price increases happening,

you go, fuck this, I don't want to be a

part of that. That's fair. That's definitely how I'm feeling

a lot of times. Yes, I'm just like I'm gonna

go find all these other old games I have laying

around and just kind of enjoy the hobby side of

this instead of the business side of it and trying

to keep up with the Joneses. And you know, it's

a little bit of a benefit of the Giant bomb

job and we can kind of make playing video games

whatever we want over there. That's nice, but also we

do want to try to keep up. People are interested

in new games. The demand is certainly there, and that

goes back to these companies are hoping they can play

on the demand that is already there. That will be

amped up by Grand Theft Auto six, which it did

go up for pre orders today, and I bet there

was quite a few people who did show up for that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we have end the rundown, but

there's also a bunch of hullabaloo with that. Thanks for

playing our thing as you did, though, Christian, Yeah, we

appreciate it, you yep. But yeah, so it's eighty dollars

and if you buy a physical copy, it's a code

in a box.

Speaker 3: Motherfuckers.

Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm about to crash out because these fucking did

loser coping me like, oh, the game is too big

to be in the disk, Like are you stupid?

Speaker 3: They don't want you to own shit. That's that's the thing.

Speaker 4: They don't want you for the copy to be yours,

to do whatever the fuck you want with it. They

don't want you to sell it again. They don't want

you to borrow it, to give it away.

Speaker 3: They don't want about that.

Speaker 1: It's not even like all day out the prevent leaks. Sure,

shit ask, it's about the second hand market.

Speaker 2: Look, I never like to hand it to Activision, and

I don't want to do it here. But at least

when I bought that copy of Black Ops six, then

still black Ops O on my machine. At least it

was a disc. It didn't have shit on it, but

I had a license for Black Ops six. So if

I want to sell that piece of shit because I'm

sick of what did to my PS five, I can

go over to my local store and trade it and

get like out of fifteen bucks for it or whatever

it's worth. Nowadays, you can't do that with GTAA six.

You are going to be locked in with that code

on your console account that God forbid you do it

bad with that and get banned because they're just out

eighty bucks or whatever. But holy moly, that is just

that is a stupid move by them, eight, I should say,

and in Genia's business move.

Speaker 1: But us and the probably correct that they are the

ones that can get away with it. And oh yeah,

because because they'll just say, hey, what are you going

to do? Now? Play Grand Theft Auto six? And I

know a lot of people in our audience are going

to say, yeah, I'm not gonna play this. And it's like, yeah,

there's a chance you probably weren't going to anyhow, And

and we kind of are, we are arounding there in

that situation. Yeah, Like the audience for that game is

so so huge, and them throwing their weight around in

such a way that is obvious to anyone with eyes.

And then like also like the Ultimate Edition just seems

so stupid, Like this idea of the big differentiator being

there are five in world shops, in game shops that

you know, not for real money, just like the end

game currency that you can go into but only if

you have the ultimate addition. Feels like, man, that is

such a weird, fomo sort of driven decision that I

don't know, it feels outdated.

Speaker 2: Okay, you you don't play GTA as much as I do,

so I.

Speaker 1: Know I've always yeah, I never cared about cared about

the shops either.

Speaker 2: Just looking at this, like, I haven't looked at this

list yet, I missed that on GMM ther day, This

to me reads as it is a cosmetic bundle and

they're just going to present it as in game shops.

Still kind of weird that you just like won't be

able to enter the shops unless the war version that.

Speaker 1: Feels like a slightly like a dark pattern sort of

thing is just like, yeah, you're going to be in

that world and you're going to like walk up to

it and there's gonna be a button where you can

hit that to spend the extra twenty dollars or whatever,

and yeah, it's it's a weird way to do it.

Speaker 2: It's it's like, it's not the end of the world.

That's like I said, as far as I can tell,

it's just cosmetics. But even then, it's like it's a

it's a dark power way or present it like you said.

Speaker 1: Even yeah, and even it still feels a little like antiquate,

where it's like, is this the way that you're gonna

make people feel excited about your ultimate Edition? Your rock Star? Like,

don't you have some new ways of it? It's like, no,

they don't care.

Speaker 4: That's not what they used to give you, like knuckle

dusters and some ship and your they used to give

you weapons.

Speaker 1: The rumor is that by December there will be a

disc version on store shelves, and it's like yep, because

by then you are through the bulk of the people

that will want to have played this game and sell

it pretty quickly to get as much money back as

possible and honestly, and if they if they don't hit

those numbers, they could always just push the disc back

and just wait until they feel good about it. Because

that sucks. That's what they're doing.

Speaker 4: Yeah, Sun, Why is always gaming? What is always us

that we have to deal with this? Like if I

buy a Blu Ray with a movie, it comes with

the fucking movie and a code.

Speaker 3: Sometimes like they give you both.

Speaker 1: I know, they give you the movie and the code.

Speaker 4: If you if I could go and buy like a

this got an on Musa and they still.

Speaker 3: Come with the like even though netflick the movie.

Speaker 1: I tell you, the movie industry looks at the video

game industry such envy for all the ways that they

are able to monetize. They talk about it constantly, like

are there are there things we can do to be

more like games? And it's like, man, when you make

art and entertainment software, it creates so many opportunities to

to like nickel and dine people, and video game companies

have gotten very good. That is the business video games.

It's not making fun video games. It is making new

ways to monetize people. And that's what we've been in

for the last ten to fifteen years.

Speaker 2: Jeff, I'm actually asking I don't know this. Do you

know the story of movies anywhere? And how we got

to that point because I thought I heard in passing

that was always just like the movie industry, you realize, oh,

people just aren't spending, so we need to work together

and get people into buying movies again.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like there was so much money

made from DVDs. My understanding is like, yes, they all

kind of were like we need to, like you said,

work together. I think I think like even like Walmart

stepped in, it was like a big part of that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like they bought Voodoo or something along

those lines.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't know exactly. I definitely don't

know the details of how that happened.

Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I think I think the cap at the

end of this whole discussion, these multiple topics that we've

had about, like how much everything costs and everything like that,

y'all just don't buy stuff. Like at the end of

the day, like really stop and think, why do you

buy a game at launch? What is the point of

buying a game at launch? It's probably because in your

online communities, everyone's talking about and everyone wants to be

up on a hot new thing. Just don't like that's

what your average person does. You know, here on the

Internet and our little bubbles, we all want to be

part of the conversation, you know, like for you and me, Jeff,

it's part of our job nowadays, of course. But like

if it's just average shoe on the street just either

buys the game if they have the money, or they

don't don't like it, maybe pick it up on Black

Riders something I think. Create a library is insane. My

local library. My local library has prime for like that

came out six months ago. Like, you know, you find

other ways to do this stuff. Don't go don't give

into the fomo. It's so easy to be mad about

all this shit, and you know what you should in

relation to especially we have an other topic here that

we'll talk about, I believe, Yeah, we'll talk about that.

There are things to actually be mad about.

Speaker 1: But at some.

Speaker 2: Point, you know, just just don't buy shit. Just be

okay with what you have. Be a patient gamer. You know,

there's like a whole subred for that and anything like that.

Buy games when they're on sale, like use the hardware

you can't afford. That's why mobile game is better than

ever before. People won't don't want to spat thousand dollars

on console, So to just wait it out, play retro games,

play older Triple A modern games, and just do what

you can out there. Yep, exactly.

Speaker 1: You know. I was like, is there like a way

to like create a friend group that like buys a

copy of the game and shares it, and so you

can't do that with Grand Theft Auto. I thought about

that motherfuckers. All right, let's see here. Yeah, Bunge announces

layoffs as an acknowledge is Destiny Too fell short of

expectations the layoffs. There was a Chris Curry, I believe over.

I think it was a game developer. I'm not sure.

Actually now found a filing with the Washington State like

labor department that said three hundred over three hundred people

were being laid off, So we kind of got a

number there, and that that was always kind of in

the range of what I was hearing two hundred to

four hundred, where it was just like they're going to

try to cut that studio in half because they aren't

making Destiny to anymore. They Marathon is not like taking

off in a way that sort of can replace like

that Destiny To and keep that that studio busy. They're

not working on Destiny three, and they're not going to

they like they said this this thing here, our next

projects are in the early incubation phase, and therefore we're

gonna have to cut jobs. Now. The CEO of Bungie

did resign since I posted the story in the game

this Morning's thing, Christian, I believe that that is correct.

Speaker 3: Right, Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was I've been busy NonStop today. But

I think that's right. Someone mentioned that, so like there's

some accountability. But again they're getting their golden handcuffed and

a lot of these situations. Is my camera broken? Cool?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying not to laugh as we do.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always it's always the best image that it

can pause on. I think my face is just naturally

that way.

Speaker 3: Cool.

Speaker 1: I just love I'm having great computer days, is what's happening. Yeah,

I'll try to fix that hare in a second. But

Bungie is is in a weird spot. That's a studio

that doesn't make a lot of sense in the current

market because making games in the United States is hard.

The scale of the games that a company like Bungie

was going to make is astronomical, and Sony bulked at

any sort of suggestion, like any like number that a

Bunchie was thrown around for Destiny three was sort of like, no,

we can't do that. And now everyone's sort of at

a standstill. And the way we got here is the

people that were running Bungee when they were getting acquired

by Sony seemed to do everything they can to hide

the fact that this was always going to happen.

Speaker 2: M Like the studio was just always in trouble and

was always.

Speaker 1: A good studio just was like never it never like

made sense on paper. It was always this this like

too big and you know, mismanaged is the way to

put it.

Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because you know when I look at something

like this, I'm always like, okay, so, uh, c suite,

where's your pay cut? Huh? Like what's happening there? Every

time something like this happens, I always look at like

people at the top, all right, who's getting fired? Who's

getting pay cuse? Well, oh, y'all, y'all ain't doing shit? Cool, wonderful, great,

glad to see it. I saw some one of the

major figures over there did like leave the company or whatever.

So it's like with Bungie, I don't want to like

stay too much and like get something wrong here because

I don't follow Bungie. So a lot of this is

like I'm he seeing together so much of the story

of this studio here and trying to figure out how

it all makes sense. And apparently it doesn't make sense

to know that shit makes sense anymore. But I'm always

curious of like how we got to the point of Marathon,

and like Marathon is not a bad game, but is

so clearly not what I think the vast majority of

people wanted from that, that studio, that company and everything

like that, and so I'm curious how they settled on

that and how, you know, in a post Destiny New World,

that's how that's the next project that they landed on.

Here is to see like if or how much PlayStation

had to do with that, and like the live service push.

I don't know about all that. I would like lean

on you a little bit to like educate me a

little bit, if you know more.

Speaker 1: Jeff, Yeah, I'm sorry. My computer's definitely dying as we're

doing this. What's the question again.

Speaker 2: How do we get Marathon? And we'll let us to

this point.

Speaker 1: Yes, So it's like it's definitely a situation where they

are they're trying to pitch things that that they can

that they can get through, and this is the one

that they could present in such a way to like

the leadership and you know, Sony at the same time

as they're like kind of working on this, as they're

getting acquired to say, hey, this whole idea of extraction

shooters is blowing up. And if we become the Fortnite

of extraction shooters, here's what that could mean for us.

This is the must and to make uh great my

computer is just give me all kinds of crazy USBA

sounds now, Sorry.

Speaker 4: Why don't we take a little break and then we

continue with the conversation.

Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Ford, sure sounds good. We'll be right back. Okay,

back from the technical hiccup. It's been it's been a

week shot oh man, oh yeah, yeah, so much, so

much troubleshooting. Man, that at PS four in the PSVR.

I know I was telling you, but every single step

if something could have gone wrong, something did go wrong.

And that was after I was already frustrated because I

got a magical drive for the PS two and I

just kind of like, I didn't want to go through

the process of setting that up myself. So I got

something off ets and that that wasn't working, that was broken.

That was troubleshooting with that. So I went from that

into the PS four and then while I was setting

out the PS four, I'm like, something's wrong because anytime

I kind of touched these USB cables on this computer,

this camera shuts off and breaks obs and oh and

you know, it wasn't the camera. It wasn't the camera.

It was the Algado teleprompter monitor thing here that would

turn off and it would reset my windows or my monitors,

so everything would just be all over the place.

Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, that always sucks with

a monitor disconnecttions and messes up everything. I hate that

so much.

Speaker 1: And I'm like, I was already super frustrated dealing with

other things that don't work, and I don't handle that

well anyhow. So it's been a lot of cortisol just

flooding my brain for the last day and a half.

But we can get through the rest of this, okay.

So we were talking about let's see, like how Marathon

happens and stuff like that. Yeah, it is. It just

comes down to that was the thing that they could

pitch to get the money they needed to make their

next game. That is the thing that they thought sounded

right to the people that were pulling the purse strings,

which was a combination of people at Bungie and Sony

and when like and you know, because it was the

extractor shooter that was hot and no one really knew

it was games as a service game. Obviously a bunch

of was going to be doing that, but that was

still hot enough that they could, you know, fool people.

And I think maybe the people that were really making

the game all along were like, look, this is not

going to be the Fortnite of Extraction shooters. Like it's

got maybe a one percent chance of doing that, and

here we are. It's it's exactly where you could probably

have predicted this game would have ended up. But they weren't.

They weren't making that. Like the game. The studio that

was making that game was not set up to make

a game that just did all right. They were set

up to make the Fortnite of extraction shooters. And so

now here we are, and they're.

Speaker 2: Because of people off size of the studio as it was.

Speaker 1: Size, Yes, the cost of running that studio where it's at,

and you know, they they I think they have a

lot of remote remote people. But still they pay very

well and that's that's that's good, but they, uh, it's

it's an expensive studio primarily when where you're at.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Destiny too, when you may you're the studio that

made Destiny, and what'd you follow that up with Destiny

to which which is more of a two point zero

but still okay, that that all makes sense, got it?

Speaker 1: Yep? Uh, all right, let's see here a couple of

other things. We were going to talk about the valves

Steam ossh it's out right, like, can you go get

the image now? I wasn't sure. I know they said,

leave you can. Yes, So you need to have an

AMD CPU or GPUU.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Steam Us three point eight is out now there

you go.

Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, So yeah, yeah, you need an AMD GPU.

They said they're working with Nvidia to get the thing,

the drivers support all in place by next year, but

that's you know, that's still ways off. They're already working

with them AMD because that is their partner for the

Steam Machine, so that stuff is ready to go. So

you could build your own Steam machine right now. And

that is exciting, I think because Linux as a true

gaming platform continuing to grow is important for the long

term survival of the hobby as an alternative to Windows.

You know, we look at PC gaming as a sort

of a safe place from the consoles. But with the

way Windows is going, with Microsoft's ability to actually make

a product that is not sort of foundationally rotten due

to their their their vibe coding. That is not really

yet we can't really rely on that. Actually long term

Linux be an open source that there is a huge

opportunity to sort of preserve gaming long term that way,

and Valve at the very least is truly pushing that

they want. It's good for them, obviously what you talked

about it, you said is capitalism. They want the money.

It's good for them, but they are aligned at the

very least with kind of what is in the best

interest of gaming. Again, long term, this is this is

pretty neat.

Speaker 2: This is neat, and this is cool that First of all,

it's funny that they positioned it on like the FAQ

for the Steam machine. They were like, well, what do

I do if I can't get into the lottery or

if I don't w in the lottery to buy this thing. Well,

we got good news for you. You can build your own.

So a couple of things here. First of all, yes,

we do need to start moving towards Linux. And I

think people hear that and they're like, oh, I'm not

doing that. That's scary, that's like command line stuff and everything.

Maybe I'm doing my dam impression here. Who can say,

but people hear Linux and they get scared, y'all. I

swear as long as you pick a modern distribution that

everybody talks about, whether it be Ubuntu, Fedora, Cashi, Bazite,

you know those terms you may have heard, it is

legitimately pretty straightforward nowadays. Like as long as you don't

go super far off the being path, it actually is

very easy set up. Says if you were setting up

Windows on the gaming pc you sat for yourself. You're

not the comp person that build your own gaming pc, Well,

guess what, You're in the same situation because you were,

You're the person probably what boss steam machine? The same

same situation. But if you're if you're a diaire, then

we are at the point that you can you can

start using links because it has recent maturity and is

user friendly enough that you don't need to wait into

command line for a bunch of stuff like links. Mostly

links distributions have an app store, for example, yes, like that.

Speaker 1: The one, the one that is Steamulus will have that

one that has the discovery or I can't remember what

it's called.

Speaker 2: Yeah, the discovery is the standard for like Fedora based ones.

And then there's a different.

Speaker 1: Arch Linx or whatever.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Arch doesn't really have one, which is the problem

with Like, that's my problem with cashios, which is based

on ours. But yeah, there's a there's a whole bunch

of stuff there. But yeah, chat like if you're curious

saying you're like, I don't know which distribution pick Fedora

or Bass or cash it's simple as so sorry, a

lot of people.

Speaker 1: Are gonna be like, like the writer here in chows,

I don't know what you're even talking about. Just as

a reminder, Linux is a kernel. It's basically just a

way for a system to tell the parts of a

computer what to do. And then when Sean says distributions,

he's talking about the basic operating systems built on top

of those kernels that a bunch of teams have been

making for a very long time now. And there's always

forks and new ones and stuff like that. But usually

what you can do is google like the best distribution

right now, and you're going to find a lot of

the answer Shun's talking about, and that will take you

in the right direction.

Speaker 2: Also, this get that's literally proving the point of why

I just said, you're probably not the count person who

built your own PC and installed Windows from strategy either,

So right, probably not the target audience for his stuff.

But that's that's why I'm getting at here, is that, like,

if you are the count person who is a diy er,

you would have built your own PC, you would have

installed Windows. It's easy enough to download one of the

major distributions that you hear all your teching gaming podcasts

talking about. You can download Fedora or Baz. I'd install

it on there instead. And now stem Os is also

an option for you if you want them very console like,

if you want basically make your own Steam machine. That's

what Valve is doing here. They're saying, like yes, because

like you know, Lynx is open source, it's just all

branches of the same thing. It's all branching off of

that same Lynx kernel slash Core. Then yeah, we can

put this outpring system out there so you can make

your own doing is very cool, and I think you

know the I I was trying Lynx for a while there,

and I just I switched back to using Windows on

a daily basis because I needed to use the Adobe

Sweet for work. But guess what, I have a project

at work back candy and finish because the Adobe sweet

fucking breaks every time I try a headit that video,

so I need to learn Da Vinci anyway, So I

guess I'm might as well just go back our a

lynx L that's stopping me at this point.

Speaker 3: I think, I think for for a long while, we're

gonna have dual Boon. You know, we're going to be

that the people.

Speaker 4: That had both of them, and we'll like eventually go

into Migrate.

Speaker 3: I think, just for a while, like the future.

Speaker 2: Yeah, for covering specific games as part of my job,

I'm going to need a Windows insulation on my secondary drive.

I have two drives in here. I pulled the SSD

from my last machine and put in here as a

secondary drive, so I can do a boot and that's

gonna be nice. But yeah, I am really excited about

the release of steam Less. Officially, everyone can install that

if they want to make their own like living room

console style PC, the only requirement being right now, you

need an AMDGPU. By the way. That's that's because and

Vidia sucks, and Vividia just fucking sucks.

Speaker 1: They they suck. They do not care that they suck,

and that's why they will continue to suck. I'd like

this idea that they're gonna have ready by twenty twenty seven.

Don't don't fucking count on it.

Speaker 2: Don't count See like they might Valve might bundle in

the open source and video drivers which are just worse

than the proprietary ones that Nvidia like kind of sort

of works with the Linux community to put out, and

Vida doesn't actually give a shit. That's why all this

Linx stuff tends to be AMD based, because AMD actually

does open sourcer stuff and like put open source drives

that are good and like up to snuffing and sometimes

better than their Windows drivers. So that's why, like the

requirement is there for Steam oss now you need an

a md GPU in your machine.

Speaker 4: We need to trick and media I into thinking that

the thing is like a I related, so they're gonna

like dive.

Speaker 1: Head on, get excited about it.

Speaker 4: Yeah, you saw the CEO in like there's a billion

people in planet Earth that like no other more than that,

but he meant like a yeah.

Speaker 2: Those are he cares about, cares about people?

Speaker 1: What he cares about, Yeah, exactly the ones that might

and really doesn't even care about them anymore.

Speaker 2: Like I do. Watch gamers in Nexus, and you know,

Steve can be a little prickly sometimes, but my favorite

bit is just him donking on Jensen every single opportunity

gets yep, so good.

Speaker 1: He's very good at it. And yeah, exactly transferter to

Crub explained Linx better than anyone in my whole three

years doing a comp side agree ten years ago. There's

a secret to that. I'm stupid, So I have to

explain these things to myself in like a way that's

like I'm five years old, and then when I can,

I could repeat that at the very least. That's the trick.

All right. Let's see here. Starfox reviews are out at

eighty three, eighty two. I think I might have I

think it's in that range right now. On Open Critic, Sean,

if you had a chance to play it, I know

you're a star fucks guy.

Speaker 2: Oh Doggie came out today?

Speaker 1: Yeah I wasn't sure, Like it was like it came

out last night, if you were going to stay up

and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't buy digital because I'm not a sucker.

Speaker 1: That's right. Okay, that's right, that's true. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2: Codea box motherfucker. Yeah, is that no on this one,

this one copy sitting over there. I arrived a couple

hours ago.

Speaker 1: Hell yeah, okay, cool, Well you've had a chance to

see a lot of stuff. Where are you at with

you excited? It is just like you're kind of happy,

like it is exactly what it is or what it is?

Speaker 2: What it is like they remade star Fox sixty four again,

what the fucking do? Like? Uh? This this project always

annoyed me because like it's the Starfox cycle, you know,

they're like, true, they remake it. It doesn't sell well though,

so they try something wild that doesn't sell well enough,

so then it just goes into hibernation and then they

remake it again, and then uh, just pisser you off

the pot. Either like give us like the big triple

a Star Fox game with like a fresh new idea,

or give us a small indie one. I would have

loved a cadence of high roll style. You partner with

the company who knows what they're doing, who like the

studio that's doing, Like I forget what it is. It's

like wild Blue or something like that on Steam and

sounds right, Yeah, partner with a studio like that to

do like a smaller one instead that is just like

long because the studio wants to make a bunch of

levels while Blue skies there you go, like, I will

love to see that instead of a very pretty version

of star Fox sixty four, which it sounds like from

all our reviews, including mics over on giant bomb dot com.

That's that's what it is. It's a pretty version of

star Fox sixty four. Yeah, which is you could argue

is the arcade spirit, you know, like games that now

nowadays carry the arcade spirit, like fighting games and racing games.

Mostly what do they mostly have going for them? For

the normies? They look really good because the gameplay is

still like a little honed in and not like super

broad that they can be very pretty games. I guess

with star Fucks, I can only assume that's the that's

the ideology they had making this of like well kind

of simple arcadie gameplay, so we'll make it really pretty,

all right, all right?

Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. When I'm playing it, I'm having a great time.

Like I'm just like this is this is awesome. It

does look great. I like all the new character bits,

you know, the even the in between segments they drag

the second time, but you just skip them. But the

first time that you see one, you're like, oh man,

it's it's really addressing, like the fact that I accomplished

that last mission and now I have an option to

go to these two stages and they did. They do

a really good job of setting that stuff up. Yeah,

I'm enjoying myself. It's it's the safest thing they could

have done, which everyone kind of knew when this thing

was announced. It's like, oh, that's really safe. I think

part of it has always been since this got announced,

understanding that part of the rumor is there is another

Star Fox project coming that should be even bigger, right,

and so Okay, Well, I hope, I hope that's true.

I hope that pans out, and I hope this all

kind of works out. And that's the one that's like,

that is the two of the one two punch of

let's re establish Starfucks. Really, I guess with the Mario movie,

then this, and then followup with something even bigger to

see if we can re establish Starfucks as as something

that could be a triple A game. I hope they can.

But as far as this is concerned, I think most

people probably already know if they want this game, and

it helps that it's a little bit discanted. It's like

fifty sixty right, fifty digital sixty years.

Speaker 2: Yeah, or like you know, Amazon, and I believe the

outlets are price matching the.

Speaker 1: Amazon and Walmart.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because like I already on Amazon just a

few days ago. Actually I almost didn't get the pre

order in time. But yeah, it was fifty dollars for

a physical copy. And yeah, I sure, I guess because

like theoretically for a switch to game, that's twenty dollars discounted.

I would say that's even still maybe a bit much

for just a really pretty version of star Fox sixty four.

But you know, whoever, I'm a sucker. I bought it

because I'm a huge star Fox fan. I was always

gonna buy it, Like you said, I'm a person who

knew that I was gonna buy it either way, even

if it's even if this star Fox isn't the star

Fox I want, and it is still Starfox, I'm sure

I'm gonna play it. I'm gonna have a great time

because it is still star Fox sixty four underneath for

the most part, you know, in general, So I'm sure

I'll have a great time with this weekend.

Speaker 1: Retroid Pocket Nova got announced. But's goh sean, this seems

like it seems like my beer thing.

Speaker 2: Huh that's all right, yeah, literally at this baby. Read

those specs for me, Jeff.

Speaker 1: Four x three nine sixty p o led screen. Okay,

that sounds awesome. Powered by a Qualcomm snap Dragon G

two variant. That's pretty powerful. Actually, I'm two hundred and

thirty dollars, so it better be power pwerful, but it is.

That's a good that's a good processor. Eight gigabytes of

RAM and twelve gigabytes of storage. There is a two

hundred and sixty nine dollars variant that has twelve gigabytes

of RAM, which, yeah.

Speaker 2: I d eight gigabytes of storage. To be clear, you

said you said twelve gigabytes of story.

Speaker 1: Thank you. One hundred and twenty gigbytes, thank you. Yes,

twelve gigabytes of RAM and that's two seventy. I would

probably go with that one. That twelve gigabytes will help

out quite a bit. It comes to a bunch of

different variants. It looks really really slick. Oh led screen

on this thing sounds awesome.

Speaker 2: Yeah, this so this is it, Like this is I

think as a RUSSA retro game Core likes to say,

I think this is the end game handheld for this

specific scenario because Retroid they kind of messed up with

the Mini, and like I was even saying the other day,

I said on stream, I was kicking myself for not

getting a Pocket Retro Pocket Mini because now it's discontinued

and I can't get that that like four infactor that

I want that like compacked but with like a four

x three O lead screen which is like a d pen,

buns and optional analog sticks. And then they go in

Now it's the Pocket Nova, and I'm stoked. Apparently it

goes up for pre order tomorrow night. I think it

was like at eight pm Eastern something like that. They're

gonna push it live for pre ordering. But by the way,

E gigs of ram, that's enough for like what the

system is designed for. I would go at the a

gig ram version for two thirty because that that's enough.

Speaker 1: For It's just not that much more for twelve gigabytes.

When I look at these prices, I guess it's it's

forty bucks.

Speaker 2: It's forty bucks, But really that's only if you're doing

like PC on Android stuff, because that's the thing. Now, everybody,

if you didn't know you can emulate or not emulate,

you wait, let me get this right. No, it is emulation.

Speaker 1: It's simulation. It's you know, it's through the Proton layers

and stuff.

Speaker 2: Well, because remember, like because I was trying to get

this right, because Valve was very insistent on this when

they announce the Steam frame. If you when you do

Windows to Linux through Proton, that's translation. But X eighty

six to ARM is actually emulation. So yeah, this would

be PC emulated on Android. The point is the twelve

gig ram is if you're doing PC stuff or Android

gaming stuff. But the eight gigs of ram would be

enough for just like if you want to go all

the way up to like game Cube and PS two,

even my retro Pocket Classic, that little game Boy Sale

one does PS two just fine.

Speaker 1: So like, yeah, the cheaper one encouraging. Yeah, PS two

is one of the one I was thinking of. Like yeah.

The thing is I do always go for the bigger models.

So it's like, yeah, I've got my PS two and

it's running great, And that's because the twel gigabytes RAM

that's encouraging to hear. Eight gigabytes is good enough for that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be good. Like if you just want to

do emulation er but you can't get the cheaper one.

I think it looks fantastic. That nine to sixty P

screen means that four ADP content scales twice up to it,

and then two forty P scales four times. That's why

I went with that resolution. OLED is gonna look great.

There's a meme in the community where like they mess

up the screen so badly that the CEO had like

mortgaged his house to like pay for a new screen,

and that whole chain of events like led us to

this hand and tell then that's why I point it

in here. We needed we need some lighthearts, and the

news segment on that was very, very dire today, Jeff,

I just want to talk about my sicko stuff. I'm

excited to preorder this and then play all my retro

games on it and get retro achievements.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that resolution is like when I do

see that's okay, and I can justify it to myself,

like I you know, I've got the analog pocket and

all these other things. It's like, yeah, the analog pocket's

really great for game Boy and that stuff, that everything

scales perfectly for that. And really it's just, you know,

it's me again, me talking myself into getting another one

of these. I don't usually notice the difference. The interpolation

a lot of times is good enough for me. But man,

it's always nice to just have that perfect upscaling for

a lot of these consoles, especially on a four x

three screen like this, that would be great. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

we'll see. I'm looking forward to seeing like retro game

course a coverage of this and everyone else getting their

hands on it, and maybe we'll try to get one

ourselves and we'll buy one and cover it here. We'll see. Uh, okay,

here's what we're doing. We're going to make a break

and then when we come back. Sean, I want you

to tell me about your experience with the superstation. It's

a little bit of your stream. I kind of wanted

to have you just tell me, like what that's been. Like,

I have mine here and I've been playing with it

here and there, but I haven't touched it in a

minute kind of I know you've got it recently, we'll

talk about that right after this. All right, we're back.

I'm gonna ask Sean about the superstation here in a second. First,

let's do those super chats. Sean, what's happening over there

in super chat Land.

Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's see. First, up was from James Pies

for two hundred and twenty nine dollars. I got my

Series S as a game pass time killer during the

COVID days and PS fives were still scarce six years ago. Crazy, Well,

GTA six bail them out.

Speaker 1: It's not gonna like bail anyone out, but it will

be like it will help them raise the price and

still probably sell the same amount of Xboxes, Like they'll

they'll be able to get away with a little bit more.

It will buy them time.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see that, like maybe they're maybe they're

pulling outpe at least over at Xbox that the Series

S is still like appealing because I noticed at the

end of their press release that they emphasize and remember

the Xbox Series S is still a value conscious way

to play all the new games, including Call of Duty

and FIFA and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right Xbox.

Speaker 1: Real quick, did you see that PlayStation had that blog

post about Grand Theft Auto six being best played on

a PlayStation five or whatever, and then they had to

they removed that. They removed references to the best place

to play, and it's I wonder if that's just not

language that Rockstar agreed to as part of their co

marketing deal. If there's something more to that. Maybe Microsoft

is like, you don't fucking know that, you can't say that,

and we'll you know, I don't know, that's weird.

Speaker 2: I wonder. Yeah, PlayStation marketing sort of just added that offhandedly,

and rock Starry S I was like, we don't. We

don't want to, like imply there's a marketing deal where

there may not be one until you give us money.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there. I think there is a marketing deal,

and I think it's you. But I think it just

covers stuff like we'll make a big deal about the

dual sense features, like we'll support the dual sense and

that's that stuff like and you could say that, but

do not then apply that that makes it the best

place to play, which I think is what that blog

post was doing.

Speaker 2: Chad is saying that they added it back it was

just because they had.

Speaker 1: An old logo Okay, all right, cool, thanks everybody. I

appreciate that.

Speaker 2: There you go. All right. Next super chat here is

from Lex Luddy. Thank god. I don't rely on the

game's biz for work.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what a nightmare time to try to

get a job in anything. But like, like where do

you go in this space? So like you were someone

that like did train to working here one way or

the other, and it's like, well, the media is fucked,

so I can go work on the development side. Oh

my god, no I can't. And you know it's not

like comms and public relations are any better. It's it's

bad out there.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bad across the board. I feel for you.

Baba is me sixty four says I already own a

nice PC connected to a monitor and all the consoles.

Did I click by if I'm selected to order a

Steam machine, I'm currently sixty forty against.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I mean that's a

personal decision. It's like you get one and then you

are willing to like sell it at cost to a

friend that really does need one. I mean that'd be

a cool move, that'd be cool, Like, yeah, but if

you're not going to do that, then don't worry about it.

Speaker 2: I would say, I would say, do you live an

apartment buying chance? Is your PC in the same room

as a TV? Buying a chance? Because hey, a long

thick gauge HDMI cable on Amazon. I was like thirty

bucks just tossing that one out there.

Speaker 1: And then you just you get a Steam controller in

twenty twenty seven or whatever it is. You get it,

you set it up so you can use Steam Big

Picture mode, and then basically you're halfway there to having

a Steam machine.

Speaker 2: Yeah, so there are cheaper ways to, like, if you

already have a nice PC, there's cheaper ways to this.

I personally like to do PARSEK streaming because like you

and Parsec within your home network, it's extremely high quality.

Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's really good. Yes.

Speaker 2: So yeah, you just like plug in up old laptop

or something else that's bringing a Parsec app to your

TV and you also stream that way. So there's other options.

I'm not sure you need a Steam machine if you

have like everything else that you need already.

Speaker 1: And when I go to Steam and I like going home,

like a Steam machine is not even like I'm scrolling down.

I don't. I don't even like see it like they're

not to me.

Speaker 2: I thought the lottery ended?

Speaker 1: Is that okay, Yeah, that's probably what that is. I

was like going to get the lottery. Yeah, there's a

weight list now, Okay, that's probably what it is.

Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. That's yeah, they're probably just de

emphasizing it then.

Speaker 1: Yeah. All right.

Speaker 2: Next is from dat boy Jerry. Are you gonna quote

unquote fix Gershman's top ten NYS list?

Speaker 1: Yes, we'll do that. That's fun. Uh yeah, I'll talk

to Mike about it.

Speaker 2: It he'll do it. I have enough people on the

airnet who hate me.

Speaker 1: I think Mike was pretty happy with his list because

Mega Man Uh. I think he had Mega Man three

really high, or maybe he did have Mega Man two higher.

I can't.

Speaker 4: I think is mayomn two Yeah that he hud super high.

Speaker 1: Okay, I mean he's still pretty yeah, yeah, exactly. So Yeah,

we'll see. I think mostly I'm going to be on

board with what he said, especially for his top ten.

There's some games that I think he underrated, for sure,

but those are the ones that, like, some people just

have an affinity for and some people don't. Okay, he

was right about ryegar Reygar. I played because I saw

it high on his list last summer Boy that game

rules Okay?

Speaker 2: From Zombie porin where is Grubb's final Fantasy fifteen VR

fishing stream from earlier today? That's honestly the best work

Jefferson Grubbler has done since joining Giant Bomb the sake

of SEO, I all enlisted it because I don't want

people searching for the actual stream, because we're doing an

actual one tomorrow now Jeff has it up and running

and hopefully his PC to th explode. So I just

wanted to make sure there was only one listed.

Speaker 1: Man when that. When I got the HDCP thing, I

was just like, I'm in for a night, and I

was right. It got wayward, Like I'm like, look, I

wrote a paragraph of all the things that went wrong,

and the HDCP thing is like in the top third,

and there's so much that went wrong after that.

Speaker 2: Well, you know what, law, that's a good point I'll

toss up on the website because that, you know, that

is affected by anything. I just didn't want to thank

you Oka on YouTube. There you go tomorrow.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Sean uh.

Speaker 2: Missouri Matt is up next. Thank you for the content

Jeff and Mike.

Speaker 1: Wow wow yeah yeah, thanks thanks Mike for going on

vacation no problem.

Speaker 2: Next is from Night Trauma. Ladies and Gentlemen, We got them.

Borf has been compromised to a permanent and Congress to Dan.

Speaker 1: Yeah, what a what a thing? You get a chance

to check that out. That was quite a thing.

Speaker 2: I missed the end of that stream because I was

doing laundry. I was like, there's no ways good. Actually,

oh no, he did it, Okay, he did it. I

go back and check out the moment.

Speaker 1: It was amazing.

Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, chat is like wholl Mike's here. Next

from Input Video here, I get it. ESVR represents your

white well very on them.

Speaker 1: For fishing week. Absolutely uh. I did want to get

it back out. I'm like, I, you know, I still

have that thing sitting around. There's no point to let

it sit there forever. I should go catch up on

a few PSUVR games that I'll never be able to

play again, especially since I'm not going to be able

to find the ps VR PS five adapter. I should

get the ps four out as well. And of course

that was stuck on the end of the camera right here.

Speaker 2: Hey, that okay, this is the moment that like I've

always thought this, but this is like the moment that's

the lift I had. Just fucking generational fumble. They're not

like them on their end. Don't make developers do this

on PlayStations and not coming up with a solution to

make ps VR one titles backwards capable on PSBR two,

like figure something that.

Speaker 1: Figure it out that way, or just don't do it.

Don't do a PSVR two. It's that crazy. It's that crazy,

like just either figure it out or don't do it.

And they clearly should not have done it based on

what happened with PSVR two.

Speaker 2: The only reasons not backwards compabil is because of tracking tech.

So you use the same tracking tech even if it's worse,

like just use it as backwards campable. It was. It

was a really dumb pathway there. I'd love to see

like a story twenty years from now on, like no

clip or whatever of how we got to that point.

Speaker 1: Yep.

Speaker 2: Same next is from Crypto Cody Cryptos and the Dog.

They have it in their profile picture. Cryptoly K. I

recommend the TV show Interview with a Vampire on AMC

and the Vampire Lestat, which is season three of the

show airing now. Amazing storytelling bat emoji, whine emoji.

Speaker 1: I always liked the original Vampire or interview with a

Vampire movie, and then I've seen people be very horny

about this show. Apparently the stat is very, very very hot.

So I'm ok. Yeah, I did see Queen of the

dam Yes, that's movie. That's culture right there, guy, Yeah,

queen it was who played the Queen of the Damn?

What was her name? Aliyah? Yeah, yeah, that was a time.

That was a place, time and place for sure.

Speaker 2: Interesting movie poster. Okay. Next up is from Antonio Morales.

Did I get the Retroy Pocket Nova even though I

have a thor Odin and steam deck tnas.

Speaker 1: You're good, Antonio, Yeah, you're good, especially with a thor

and you fas get the same thing, but across the

spread across three different screens.

Speaker 2: Yeah right now? Oh yeah, the olden the Odin is like, yeah, fantastic,

can't tell. And the Thor if you have the thorny,

you have yourself covered. Like I'm interested in this one

because I don't have a thought and I never had

an interest in Thor because if I'm gonna do dual screen,

I would just rather do it on OG hardware.

Speaker 1: And then's you're right actually yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah for everything before that, I was waiting for a

handheld like this, and now it's here, so like, you know,

now I'm happy. But like, if you already have a

machine that can do it, then you're good. You know,

you're all good. You need you need to grab this one.

You don't need to be like Jeff. You don't need

to grab every single.

Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a yeah, it's a disease. Yep.

Speaker 2: D Jones up next with that Micron news. I think

people are fools to think PlayStation Slash switch to won't

increase in price as well. Yeah I meant to mention

this when we're talking during that segment, but yeah, like

we know switch to is gonna increase in price. Did they?

Did they say by how much?

Speaker 1: Switch to?

Speaker 2: Yeah?

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah right, it's it might be more than that. God,

I can't remember now switch to price increase, because that's

happening for us in August. It's already happened in Japan.

Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so they did lock Sorry.

Speaker 1: Was it September? Is it September?

Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, September a couple months.

Speaker 1: It's fifty dollars, right, that's what it is. It went

from four to fifty to five hundred, and that's the

one without the game obviously.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they would have had such an out there

if they didn't have a price locked in, is what

I was going to say, because like internally coup in

fifty and then now all this tames comes down, they're like,

actually it's one hundred dollars more. They might have to

do one hundred dollars and to fifty. We'll see then. Yeah,

like Xbox is doing the price increase now, PlayStation's definitely

close behind.

Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh yeah, for sure though they'll I mean it

was three price increases from Xbox. We've got two major

price increases from PlayStation. I think that's right.

Speaker 2: They've had so many internationally that's hard to keep track.

I think. Actually that's what they're one here in the US.

Speaker 1: That's what's from the off Micron news is that Micron

posted record revenue and a record eighty five for gross margin.

What that's crazy, and it's expected to be eighty six

percent gross margin next quarter. The company adds that company

adds over a one hundred billion in market value in

a single day.

Speaker 2: Do you say one hundred billion?

Speaker 1: Yeah? They and they're they're stock press saw right, Yes,

was already up up up, like it's been going. I

mean like when this stuff was first happened. I'm like

I remember, like as soon as the first time, like

I should buy Micron, and like I didn't. Now here

we are, of course it's been good. Yep, shit, well

in that time, it's crazy.

Speaker 4: The biggest this thing is gonna be hilarious yep.

Speaker 1: I mean like it does. It still does feel like

that RAM. It like RAM will just stop actually being

in demand at some point, and then what do these

companies do because they don't have some other new method

to like keep the demand this high, so it will

break at some point. But in the meantime, so it's going.

Speaker 4: To start somewhere else and they're gonna need like the

some chips for to put on those missiles. Don't worry

about it, We'll figure it out.

Speaker 1: You're right, figure it out.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Next from to one free Man, from your mom

to niece, just checking in on my new son. Do

you need anything?

Speaker 1: Ah, I know, I'm good, Thank you. I appreciate it. Denise.

That's very lovely of you, But uh, I just got

to deal with all these things breaking on my own.

And but I don't know, maybe a sandwich that'd be nice.

I appreciate it.

Speaker 2: I forgot about that one next from lurking Adam. Unfortunately,

blightening around times have increased by more than two point

five times, and we expect another doubling by the fall

of twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 3: When is the night club bubbles going to birth?

Speaker 1: Apparently not, because now they're like talking about escalating for me,

So I'm just gonna keep getting bigger and bigger.

Speaker 2: We'll see cool YouTube crash got a love it, I

thought my computer sometimes, but I do still have the

old super test pulled up. I do see that Riviks

was the last one of the old round. I'll get

the new round pulled up here. In a second, Rivics said, crazy,

all the GTA is eighty hate. I feel Mario Kart

could have been ninety at this point with how quick

everyone forgotten. Nintendo raised game prices.

Speaker 1: First, Yeah, I mean I think that. I think it'll

be equivalent because there was a lot of hate in

that moment, and then it passed once the game was

out and people played it, and everyone's like, yeah, I

wish I didn't pay the books for this, and most

people didn't, so most people just got it as in

the bundle. Some people pay eighty and then everyone feeling

people who definitely felt burned by that and they did

not like that price. Same thing's gonna happen here. People

buy this game, play it and be like, maybe I didn't.

Maybe I'm not happy about paying eighty, but I'm moving

on with my life.

Speaker 2: Yeah, game prices are the one that I am like

least angry about because it's it adds up if you

buy a lot of games, But ten dollars isn't like

the end of the world. It's kind of a this

sucks and I move on. You know. It's like, okay,

so I'll I'll have McDonald's for lunch one less time

this month. It's like, and it's for me at least.

It's not the biggest deal. It's more of like the

consoles going out by several hundreds, because oh my god,

it's making it so difficult for people to get into games.

But that that that is how I look at.

Speaker 1: Personally, and you're right, the game prices is just one

of those ones. That's so strongly anchored that people have

a huge psychological hurdle with that when they see the

price go up.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say something else, but my brain

is scrambled, So let's move on here to toll Codo.

That's why my brain is scrambled. Hello, I'm on vacation.

I assume everything is fine with video games. Don't worry, Mike,

everything is fine.

Speaker 1: Just don't touch anything else. Whatever you're doing, it's bad,

but you don't worry about it. You just go back

to New Orleans.

Speaker 2: Oh right, I was gonna say, I think people just

forget about Mary Krtt world in general is part of

the reason that people moved out from that. That's part

of it.

Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, Yep.

Speaker 2: Then we had g Nitro saying Sean Retroid Pocket Nova

pre order is tomorrow night at nine pm Eastern. There

we go, per a screenshot from their discord. Thank you

for that clarification, because yeah, I watched Russ's video and

he mentioned there. I forgot the exact time, So there

you go. If anyone else wants to be a sickle

like me and pre order one of those nine pm

Eastern tomorrow, apparently.

Speaker 1: We're going to be. I guess I'll just this will

be the first place I say it on Giant Bomb

next Wednesday, July. First, we're going to do a stream

where me and Dan are going to sit down with

all of our fun little handhelds and hang out with Abby,

who's got to growing interest in those, and we'll be

talking about those. So Shan, if you want to come

out and like maybe explain the nova and stuff like that,

that could be fun.

Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, yeah, I also know a lot about the

hardware and all these, so that would be fun. It'd

be great to have you.

Speaker 1: Yep, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 2: Cool. Then from Sparkle Andre lat of Super chest Night.

By the way, thank you everybody. Yeah, thanks Sparkle Andre

says man, I sure am tired of the Nintendo music drops,

as good as they are. Where are the GameCube games? Ah,

that's where we go with that.

Speaker 1: Yep, it's uh. I always do get excited for like

half a second with the music draps. Oh awesome. Wait,

I don't use I don't ever use that, and I

would much rather have an NSO game instead. But yeah,

here we are.

Speaker 2: I like that they exist the music drops because now

they have a web player now it's actually like.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's better.

Speaker 2: You're writing it for me.

Speaker 1: That's true. Yes, that is an unprovement.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but also yeah, they should be adding more GameCube

game SAT service. I think you and Mike talked about

on Tuesday. It's just an iso that they need to add.

I don't think they're doing anything specifically bespoke for this one.

Maybe they are. Well, actually, you know, I should take

that back. I remember people heing down the N sixty

four emula seeing that they did do bespoke things because

they were building that emulator as the airplane was in

the air. So maybe they do have to do things,

and may that is what's slowing them down.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it's actually somewhat part of it, but

it's also just Nintendo being Nintendo.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they could also probably throw more people onto that team.

That's probably pretty small. It's probably just nerd or whatever.

So yeah, yep, Zombie Porin is back. Why do all

those pocket novas look so good? Right after Grubs sold

all his Chinese handhelds and squidwards at that garage sale.

Speaker 1: Yeah, some guy came ups, like got any video games stuff? Nope,

keeping all of it. Yeah, I those things do look good.

I wish I wish they weren't so slick looking, because

it's like that's a big part of it. It's shiny

new thing and I got to get over that.

Speaker 2: Yeah. People, there's a transparent and then there's a transparent watermelon,

transparent gray, transparent ice which is blue, and then there's

a GameCube on on a Super Family Calm one and

black one. I'll probably just go to black because it

looks like it's Matt black as well, and I like.

Speaker 1: That's always great. Black is great.

Speaker 2: Yeah. J D Camp is next. Why did they design

megalopany like that apples? Have you ever seen? Have you

ever seen megalopanyol?

Speaker 3: This is this going to be?

Speaker 2: You need to look it up.

Speaker 1: Okay, Oh I have seen this before, and I know

why they did it this way.

Speaker 2: I know I know that we all know why they

did it that way.

Speaker 1: It's all right, I get it.

Speaker 2: I'll say I get it. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah.

Different strokes, No, not low puney. Don't listen to jan

it's lpani because lop is a type of rabbit. Uh.

Scathing Hot spur is up next? Wow, what name you

should absolutely try to get Russ for the dump truck.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be cool. Also, I would just maybe

want to get him for like gaming stuff too, because

I was.

Speaker 2: Gonna say, like, Russ would be a good GMM host,

Yeah host, probably, yeah, especially if there's a specific day

where there might be news about it or something like that.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's excellently. He's one of those ones where

it's like definitely caught him on the upswing where it's like, yeah,

this guy knows he was talking about and then like

a week later everyone, yeah, we're millions of more people

of people are watching him now, like good that that

that is right?

Speaker 2: That one chat Elliptic says he's in Hawaii though.

Speaker 1: Yeah, well uh actually that would that would be a

problem for game mess mornings because that would mean it

would be very early for him. Although I think he

was in the Marines, so I bet he's a morning person.

Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that's true. We'll see, We'll see.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Then Crypto Cody is back. I stream Big Picture Mode

to Apple TV steamlink cap. There you go. We were

talking about a streaming option earlier, and there's a few

of them, including that one.

Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, I will occasionally use a steamlink on the

although it doesn't work great on the Quest three, there's

other other ways of doing it instead.

Speaker 2: Zombie porn snuck one more in here. Any EVO predictions,

will Mike be mad at them as mad?

Speaker 3: That's a prediction?

Speaker 1: Oh man already got knocked out.

Speaker 3: I already lost.

Speaker 2: Two before you even went Uh Evo predictions. I predict

they're going to add a new character to Blaze Blue

Central fixture.

Speaker 1: Crazy yep.

Speaker 2: Probably, Like let's see if there's anyone left for Token. Yeah,

there's a whole Token team left to be announced. I

don't know what they would do with street Fighter because

weirdly they already showed Yasmine's gameplay trailer, so I'd be

curious if they do anything link that, and then maybe

maybe son for tech In as well. Yeah, I'm not

interested in supporting EVO in a way shape this forum

this year. I'll also watch the topics. What the announcements are.

Speaker 4: I used to like streaming every every year. I was

to like like watch Party. I'm not gonna do that anymore.

Speaker 1: Are there any notable like players that are sitting now?

Because I mean I know that a lot for a

lot of these players this.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember I meant to check. Ian Walker

did put up an article on Kotaku, like interviewing some

of people who are sitting out EVO this year, and like, say, jam,

I play one of them. I think he talked to

Sonic Fox. I don't. I don't know what they're doing,

if they set it out or something, or they don't

plan to attend in the future. Yeah, Maximilian, he's uh,

he's going to be at home this year. He had

a big partnership with them where he's in person for

a couple of years. And he's like, right, you know,

I'll still cover it because it's fighting game news basically,

but like I'm not going to like go there as like.

Speaker 1: You know what, she kind of close seems like it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, so just a lot of people are just lose

enthusiasm for EVO in general. But we'll still take the

announcements because those are ultimately independent from the event.

Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, the players can earn their money.

I don't begrudge them that go don't make your money.

That's fine.

Speaker 2: Some people in the Pacheck I get it.

Speaker 4: It sucks, but especially if for fighting game players such

it is stuff out there, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2: So I get it one last one in the chain.

Here veto Libido snuck it in. Wave Race sixty four

was eighty dollars. In nineteen ninety six, DTA six was

eighty dollars. Now we go nuts.

Speaker 1: I mean people weren't happy back then. There was a

reason the PlayStation did so. I mean, Wave Race is

better than ninety five percent of the games on PlayStation,

but most people didn't care because it was too expensive

on a console that they weren't going to get because

all the games were that expensive, or many of them were.

Speaker 2: Too Like yeah, yeah, that's sort of the unspoken thing

that I try not to bring up because it pisses

some people off. But like when I said, like, don't

buy stuff, I always low key in the back of

my head of the don't forget that, and sixty four

games often costs like ninety dollars, but like whatever, it's

not what's about this point?

Speaker 1: Yeah, cause it's right, it's it just it doesn't go

one to one, You're right. I mean people were paying

this much for a very long time, and video games

have been expensive like this before, but.

Speaker 2: We got spoiled by the fifty dollars price point. Likely

and it.

Speaker 1: Locked in for a very It locked in for a

very long time, and then and then when they changed it,

everyone just went to sixty uniformly, and we're like, okay,

and we got that for a very long time. So yeah,

I talk about that strong anchoring. That's it, and people

just have a lot of emotion attached to that now,

and including me, Like when I see the price go up,

I'm like, yeah, that looks weird. I hate that. So

I don't blame anyone's c I just regret.

Speaker 4: I don't.

Speaker 1: I don't think that many people are going crazy about

the eighty dollars price point.

Speaker 2: That is, like it's more than we want to pay.

But also it's not a hundred. It's not like it's

not one hundred. Yeah, reasonable for like that base game.

But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll also squeeze in and Tonium

Rales last one here. It's wild how you go from

zero eight bid dough controllers to nine eight bit dough

controllers real quick?

Speaker 1: Yep, yes, huh god, that that's my life. A lot

of those are the eight A dough in sixty four

controllers at this point. But now at this point, there's

so many kind of laying all over there.

Speaker 2: That helps when they're like often thirty pop.

Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's been, it continues to be a really

good deal. Let's you know the same kind of does

anaalog falling out of places? You know, like, that's such

a good controller, that original color style in sixty four. Yeah,

I love it.

Speaker 2: It's so good.

Speaker 1: It's it's great, great, great, Okay, let's take out, Let's

take another break. Then we'll come back and I'll just

ask a couple quick questions of Sean about the superstation

right after this. All right, we're back. Sean, you got

your superstation delivered. You did a lengthy stream where you

do you test it out a bunch of stuff. What

did you come away from that stream and your experience

so far thinking about the superstation, which, as a reminder,

is an FPGA, it's it's a mister console, SOO has

a lot of course, it's presented as if it's a

PlayStation one. Yeah, what what's your takeaway? O?

Speaker 2: Takeaway is that is a wonderful little piece of hardware.

I legitimately am bummed out that Mike's arrived defective and yeah,

and get replacement one because this is perfect for someone

like him, because it is it is very you know what.

Similar philosophy to the Steam machine. Actually, like we talked

about how you can you know, have any AMD PC

you can install a links distribution and nowadays Steam once

on it and do it very diy or are you

just by a Steam machine even if it is pricey.

Similar philosophy here with the superstation where it is just

a pre built Yeah, mister FPGA gaming console, which now

I get to explains on if people don't know about

the mister We've mentioned it before, but if you don't know, basically,

the mister project uses a field programmable gait array FPGA,

which is basically just a programmable computer chip. It's like

a large computer chip that you can program to behave

in a certain way to like mimic other circuits and

computer chips and stuff like that that are simpler than it.

And so what people realize they could do is they

can program one of those to simulate old video game

consoles that are simpler. And so that's why we see

like in Analog's products, you see FPA slapped all over

like the Pocket and the Analog SG and stuff like that.

And so it's an open source, community based project that

now Paki, you'd on who may is? He was? I

guess a YouTuber started up his own company to make

a lot of retro gaming products, including this one, and

it is just it's nice to have a company who

will ship you one that's ready to go. You don't

have to set anything up. You just pop out the

SD card that's included with it, load your games onto

it because you know, legally you have to supply the

games the ROMs. You pop it back in and then

you're just off the races. You pick the core from there,

you pick the game, and it just starts playing. It's

really really cool. It makes playing retro games very easy,

especially for some that are a little more difficult to emulate.

You know, like if you do a software emulator on

your PC, sometimes it's difficult to like, you know, run

a Saturn emulator accurately on your Windows PC or something

like that. But people figured out ways to effectively get

this FPGA system to play Saturn games and that's really cool,

really awesome to be able to fire that up. From

what I can tell, the superstation is just you know,

it's just a mister the box. If they are in

beta testing, I wish it wasn't a beta. I wish

they had just waited until this was done. But they

are beta testing a proper console UI that will make

you look like a console as you think of it,

with like a grid based interface that is a lot

more easy to navigate with a controller and everything like that.

But for now is the more text based mister interface.

It's getting the job done. And I was impressed with

the mister in general because I haven't owned one, and

for example, the CRT shaters have gone so good, just

really good.

Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, a lot of them are pre installed here.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I assume they would be on a

regular mister, once you get the US on there, I.

Speaker 1: Guess now you're getting all the packages now, yes.

Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, especially if you like run update all, which

is scripting download.

Speaker 1: Script that is just widely used at this point, mister.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but everybody the Sony Trinotron wants very specifically, So

like if you have a mister or you give superstation,

use the Sony Trinitron CRT shad in the video options

menu because that looks very similar to the best CRT

shads that you can get, like retroarc and everything, like

CRT Royal it looks fantastic, and I'm really happy that

this system plays high end emulation like Saturn N sixty

four and PS one. Of course it looks like a

PS one slim, so it plays PS one very well

as well as all the older stuff and it makes

them look good. With CRT shader, you can connect a

controller no problem. You just hold the menu bun and

then you hold pair on your controller and pairs instantly.

It's awesome. It's great to have a very straightforward way

to do all this mister stuff that was a little

daunting before. It was a little like building a PC.

So it's cool that company streamlining and just buy one

and you know, I might might take a hot second

to get to you because they're like kind of behind

on shipping them, but once you do, it'll be a

great experience.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's kind of amazing, like all the work,

like honestly, just the work that he did in the

first place, tech you do on to make the mister pie,

which was just they went in there and they figured

out like what the what is what is the chip

called the d E ten instead of airplane feels that's

thank you. The d E ten nano and they studied

the schematics and they were the ones that kind of

figure out, like they took out all this stuff that

wasn't that wasn't necessary for retro gaming, and then they

updated all of the book parts of the board that

were kind of using multiple variations of like USB used

to be A or used to be two and all

this stuff, and they're like, Okay, we're just gonna do

one USB C board and that will reduce costs. They

basically cut the price in half for a mister, and

then to take that and be like, okay, now let's

make it a really smart all in one package. Which

is the thing here, Like we could say over and over,

this is just a mister. But it's a mister with

all of the input and outputs just set up for

you in an awesome case. And it's got snack adapters

built right in, which the snack adapters are the way

that you can can connect classic controllers or whatever. Now

it has the it has the PlayStation ports right there.

Do you know if there's a way to like to

snack adapt like other controllers right on the thing. I

haven't actually looked at that yet.

Speaker 2: So I believe this is something that's not available, but

he's talked about He's talked about the system for so

long or the past like two years in various places,

drip feeding. I believe that the shape of the PS

one connectors on here are just like a different shape

for a snack adapter. And so, by the way, snack adapter,

I forget what snack SNAC.

Speaker 1: Stands for Serial net I can't remember.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but basically it's bypassing us B ports and

anything that has overhead to directly connect the FPGA to

get you like basically instantaneous inputs like you would get

on console. So I believe the PS one controller ports

on the front of this thing are just a different

shape for the snack adapter. And uh, I think they're

going to sell controller port adapters that you can plug

other stuff into them, okay or whatever. Which, by the way,

there's a lot of things that aren't working on this

out of the box. Unfortunately, if you got the DOC,

so the I believe the memory card ports do not

currently work. You need the You need to wait until

the console UI is out for that, and then the

DOC does not read discs right now. You also need

to wait for the console UI for that. So if

you did buy a superstation with the dock, it's frustrating

that you have to wait for some extra functionality that

you technically paid for. But they are working on it's

in beta right now and you can't download it. It's

just like it's not preloaded, which I would have liked

to see because that's really what a lot of people

are going for. But even as a quote unquote just

a mister, the fact that's like all ready to go

for you is awesome.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty happy, Like this is definitely like going

to be the mister. I'm you, like, I have a

mister over here. And then I got this as well,

and I was okay, So I was a little disappointed

first because I have this, but using it, it's like

it is. The packaging does make a difference. It is

a less of a headache, it feels less frail than

the one I have. It's just yeah, it's just it's

really nice. So and then get like the work's been done,

the cores are there. They're really good for like up

through in sixty four even these days, it's it's impressive stuff.

So yeah, I hopefully people can start grabbing these if

they really want one, and hopefully attack you done can

kind of keep up with that. Of course they're going

to get hit by component pricing here, but not as

much as some other things, so hopefully the prices don't

go too insane. Yeah, okay, cool, Yeah Sewn, you, like

I said, you did a stream that's up on your

YouTube channel. People can like watch you go through this,

right right?

Speaker 2: Yeah. I did my best to make the stream also

like viewable, like a comfy view If you just want

to put a long YouTube video on in the background

some background noise, and it's up on my YouTube channel

as well. Both my twitch and YouTube are perbo Shawn

Sahawn and I have it now. The YouTube video. I

also went through and put time stamps on. So you

just want to see something very specific, like you want

to see, oh, how does restling Evil two on N

sixty four work on this thing? Doesn't handle the FMB

as well? Like oh, I do want to see like

if Sonic Jam and you know, like those weird ports

of song games running through the Saturn and then running

on this thing, does that work? I have that all

broken down for you. So yeah, if you're interested in

all this techie stuff, you want me to break it

down for you on a nice long video. Go check

it out well the description, Thank you, Christian. Yes, some

friends of the channel, like I hung out for a

little bit, like Dan hopped into the chat. Sean Sjohnson

was hanging out for a little bit. He popped head

and and uh, we had someone from the Mister team

actually hang out for a cool portion of the stream,

someone who I believe primarily worked on the Saturn core.

That was like plan out, Yeah, explaining how some of

the more complicated cores worked, giving me some tips of

like how set some stuff up properly and our thing.

That was very fun having them explain it. And yeah,

my I do have my twist chat on the vod.

You can see everything that they said verbatim as well.

Speaker 1: Excellent. All right, great, yeah, people should check that out.

Like Christian said, will love the link in the description.

All right, let's uh, let's take one last break and

then we'll talk about what we've been playing. All right, Uh,

what have we been playing? Let's start where you showing

what games have you been getting into?

Speaker 2: Uh it was you know, or the weekend. It was

primarily superstation stuff. I did. Also the our stream more

of the weekend. I did finish up you know, retro

achievements check in for the WEI event. I finished Super

Mario Galaxy too. I played through and finished it.

Speaker 1: I do think I like.

Speaker 2: Galaxy one a bit better personally, but I think Galaxy

two was fun for what it is if you know

the story, and it was basically a DLC add on slash,

a map pack basically that they decided to bundle up

into its own thing because it would have been difficult

to you know, put out like a.

Speaker 1: DLC type of It had so many ideas, which is

the thing I loved about it. It's like, oh man,

you could just tell that this is all the really

fun ideas they couldn't quite get together in time for

the first game, And yeah it was great.

Speaker 2: Yeah, some stuff like you know Yoshi, like you get

on Yoshi and then you eat a pepper and then

you like race up walls for a level and stuff

like that. That was very cool. So yeah, it definitely

had some cool ideas, but I think some of the

levels fell a bit flat for me. So I do

like the First Galaxy more. Also First Galaxy like one

hundred percent more of Rosalina. So it's the Bear game

in general.

Speaker 1: You know, oh that makes sense, Yeah for sure. Yeah,

I've been planning playing some old games. I got the

Dreamcast working for specifically for the Fishing Week streams. But

I'm like, got this thing, let's let's go all out.

And I got I got a really nice Dreamcast off

of eBay that kind of has all the bells and

whistles and it's it's really nice. It's got the HDMI

mod in there, and they recapped it and stuff, and

they took out all the because it's you know, using

an optical drive emulator. They take out that like one

power rail that gets very hot, and it's one of

the main reasons the dreamcasts failed. That's just not in

there anymore. It's not needed because we don't have a

spinning drive. So the things should like theoretically last for decades.

Like I'm like, okay, cool, awesome, And then got it

set up and that was a hassle in its own right,

but not as much as some of these other other things.

And I played through Cannon Spike and that is a

hell of a game. Yeah, that's a good game. You know,

cameon Rollerblades always thumbs up for me. But also just

a really good game once you kind of like figure

out it's like a twin stick shooter with one stick,

so there's a lock on and uh, and there's a

little bit of melee you can throw in there. It's

just it's it feels really good and it goes from

like one high to the net to the next. They

don't pad it out because it very much is like

an arcade game and they want to have just these

cool set pieces, and I guess for people that don't

really know, it is like kind of a top down

shooter where you can play as different characters. Everyone does

just play as Cameo on Rollerblades though, and and you're

kind of just taking on the waves of enemies. But

it's mostly like like mid bosses and full bosses, and

they're all super well designed. And it's that Naomi Dreamcast

era incredible vibes in everything the look, the sound, the feel,

the music across the board. And it's because it's such

an onslaught of cool moments one after another. You are

getting that in huge doses. And Yeah, I'm super into that.

I had played it a little bit before. I think

I might have played it in it was in the

recent Yakuza. I think. I don't think that's right. I

think it was it. Maybe it was it. Maybe I'm

thinking of something else.

Speaker 2: There's a different one in ya is a eight that

I think is similar to it.

Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's probably that's right. Yeah, that was that

weird like running running beat him up game. You're right, Okay,

So yeah, I must have played on an emulator recently

when Mike mentioned it, and I'm glad I finally played

through the whole thing. But yeah, that's that. I've been

playing that. I did the Rhythm Heaven demo that seems

pretty solid. Rhythm Heaven seems good. I liked those a lot.

And then it's been and then it's been starfucks, quite

a bit of starfucks. I played through it about two

and a half times now. We did the multiplayer mode.

I did try out the co op with Mike a

little bit, and I was the I was the gunner

and he was the he was flying and I was

so I had it in mouse mode and man, clicking

on that thing like fifteen times, my hand was already

ready to explode. It was yeah, with the little joy

con like, this is not great for me. So but yeah,

I'm looking. I'm hoping a lot of people do come

to Starfucks because of this game and the movie. This

is still a great game. It's still really good. Sean.

Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, star Fox sixty four is an all timer,

and that's why it's like when they said that it

was a remake of that, it's it's one of those

situations where I feel like it's unnecessary, so I don't

necessarily want it. But at the same time, Star Fox

sixty four rules, So it's you know, sort of like

it's like the Okarina Time remake. Similar thing there, where

do you really need need to remake Akerina Time? I

really feel like you could just like upported the three

DS version, that's alid a lot of its issues. But

at the same time, it's Okerina Time. A lot of

people are gonna want to play that, but it's just

prettier and they do a lot of quality of life

stuff to it. So yeah, I get I get with

Star Fucks as well.

Speaker 1: Yep, all right, but that's that's it for me, Sean.

Anything else from you?

Speaker 2: You know what someone asked about last week, So I'll

do this rapid fire. I did play a lot of

Steamnacs fast demos Jeff.

Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, yeah, give me the give me quick

run down here.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll do these super quick because I don't know

a ton of demos. I think close to eighty this

go around. Jeez, not a ton. That really stuck with

me unfortunately, So I just you know what.

Speaker 1: I don't know a handful. But when I was going

through them, not a lot. We're singing to me.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I was sticking out this time for me.

But I will say I did like takeover to you know,

you know, friend of ours Matt mcmuscles is producer on that.

I believe legitimately fun beat them up, you know, maybe

a bit simple because they are going for that arcade style,

but I do think they have something there where you know,

you beat people up and then also you have limited

number of bullets saying just shoot a fool if he's

like really annoying. And so I think that little twist

on the gameplay is pretty fun over there. I got

to try Namco Legendary Mountains, which is that like a

sweek a game, but instead of like dropping route into

like a to be er, like pousing the orbs onto

a dish that game.

Speaker 1: Okay, y, that was fun.

Speaker 2: Uh it you know, same concept as sweak a game,

which is a fantastic game. So I like this concept

as well.

Speaker 1: Speak a game got a sweak of game planets. Have

you ever seen that where it is like it's yeah

circle when you're dropping in from the outside and you

kind of go around the outside almost a tempest.

Speaker 2: I haven't played it.

Speaker 1: Is it similar to that or is it is a

little bit different? Do you drop it on the dish

from the perimeter or do you drop it by okay, okay,

so it's different.

Speaker 2: So what you do is you lob it. You like,

there's like an arc that you're interesting onto this actually dish. Yeah,

it's actually really cool. I I dig it. Let's see

what else I'm actually I saw most of these downloads.

I'm just going down line. Uh or Bricks was something

that that was interesting, whereas I guess you could say

it sort of combines ball Pit with uh Geometry Wars.

But so basically what is is you are stationary in

the middle of the screen and all these like blocks

are flying at you. It's like very abstract graphics and

basically every so many intervals you like shoot balls out

to like hit the bricks, you know, so a breakout

style and like Ballpit, the idea is to like bounce

them around and like destroy the bricks, and that's a roguelike,

though you are like upgrading to like fire more projectiles,

fire them faster, do more damage. It was simple, but

I thought it was cute. If this game comes off

like six bucks or so, I'll probably pick it up

because it seems like I don't know Mason to like

pass the time on steam deck or something. The one

that really caught my eye was ag x GP and

so this is another one of those fast racing.

Speaker 1: Games, right okay, yeah, not.

Speaker 2: Not as in the Fast series from Shinnen, but just

like an F zero wipeout style game something like that.

This one caught my eye just because of all the

little mechanics. It's ultimately pretty simple. It's ultimately wipe out

style mostly of just like racing fast down like sort

of as right away that sometimes goes into like tubes

and stuff like that. But the idea is that they

have a bunch of tiny mechanics that always try to

get you to boost more. Do you have a boost

meter that slowly recharges, but you also have there's resistance

pads that slow you down but also boost like windows

they sort of go through on the track. And there's

also was it there's track hopping, so there will be

tracks in the air where you have your your vehicle

jump and then you like move the analog stick in

direction to like slam onto one of the other tracks.

And then there's also uh, the last one is a

drift where when you enter the drift it goes into

bullet time and like if you execute it well, like

you also get a mini boost. So there's all these

tiny little things that constantly try to gets you to

get more boost and like so we have to use

the boost gauge less and it's all about avoiding the

resistance pads or like boosting through them and then like

min maxing the amount booster, using to get the lowest

time possible on every track.

Speaker 1: So that sounds awesome.

Speaker 2: Yeah, if I believe the demo is still available if

people want, Yes, it is, if people want to go

check it out. I thought it was really interesting. I'm

like a fun little twist on the formula that a

bunch of people have done, so hey, go check out

agx GP. I thought it was the highlight of the

next veest for me personally.

Speaker 1: I did. I did forget one game that I have

not played yet, but I did add it to my account,

I mean using the Steam account. Everybody. It's called congratulations

on your purchase. Are you aware of this game?

Speaker 2: No? But I no, you don't know that very often.

Speaker 1: Did you want to go look it up real quick

on Steam? Oh, it's like I am rich on iOS right, Yes,

it is exactly that. It's it's one thousand dollars on

Steam and it's like, I got what do they say?

Like their description is, let me go to the store page.

Here the most game on Steam, and it's just like

the biggest trash of walking down a red carpet and

a bunch of people on the other side of a

velvet rope cheering you and paparazzi taking your picture or whatever.

And I didn't have to really pay for this, so

I kind of wanted to check it out and just

see just how depraved it really is.

Speaker 2: Look at me, Jeff, look at me, at me your scream?

How many user reviews does this have? Do you know?

Speaker 1: I I do know how many. I knew it. I

knew it had two when I bought. It doesn't have

any more.

Speaker 2: So at least two people spent one thousand dollars on

this trash.

Speaker 1: Yeah they do.

Speaker 2: Wait wait they were both under two hours they met.

They might have refunded it.

Speaker 1: They probably refunded right. Oh that's really really stupid. Uh okay,

so I'll check that out. Man, what a what a

dumb thing? All right, that's gonna do it. I think.

Let's see here, let's catch up on.

Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I play it, metch that game.

Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to we will play it, okay, lay

next week or so.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I played with friends and then I play around

and even though not Alonge with like Randos and the like,

he has a suber browser and you just pick one

a random and it still was fun. Like it's one

of those games. It's just it's just fun to play.

So yeah, ten out of ten friends lave, but like

in the good way, friends lub, not in the bad way.

Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw I saw Grandpoo Bear and Salted Offense

and people playing it there day and looked really fun.

Speaker 3: For people that don't understand that, don't don't give pitch.

Speaker 4: It's like a proper home game where like you know,

I think do they have the same mode where you

turn into a piece object in the in the like

environment and you have to hide from other people that

shooting at the.

Speaker 3: Things into one of the props in the stage. It's

having it.

Speaker 4: But the twist on this one is you're just a

little guy and you can pay yourself, so you can like.

Speaker 1: You can like move into like different positions right putting them,

but you're still a little guy.

Speaker 3: You're still a little guy.

Speaker 4: Yeah, you can like like climb a wall and like

stick against like a wall and then paint yourself the

sinkler of the wall like in a painting. You're gonna

try to recreate the painting and like it's it's really

charming and really fun. I recommend it, strongly recommend it

if you have like a.

Speaker 2: It looks like a fun funnel twist on the prop

pun genre.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm into it. I'm gonna try to get good

enough at drawing to be able to do this, but

I guess you know that'll make it fun as well.

Speaker 4: A million's like meke up with two seas two seas yep, yeah,

and Chamelion.

Speaker 1: Like I mean that's popping off. That's like one of

the top sellers on Steam right now.

Speaker 2: People. I've seen them do funny stuff where it's like,

for example, like I saw someone there's like a level

with water in it, and so since your guys sort

of like stick figury, they just did splayed out on

the bottom of the water and painted themselves pink with

green shorts and they were just trying to hide in

as Patrick Starr on the bottom, I saw them like

what like sort of in sort of like an L

shape and sort of extend a Japanese character. They like

painted themselves all black and tried to be like, well,

you know, Japanese, you're not gonna know that this isn't right. Yeah,

that real get clever with it.

Speaker 1: The one I saw that, like, other than people being

like very good at the art so that they can

like be in front of the Mona Lisa and just

look like it's the Mona Lisa, which is is very

impressive and cool, there was one where three people work together.

They saw a turtle inflatable I think by the pool

and the like, and they pieced themselves together and like

painted themselves to like look like another one of those turtles.

That was very good, all right, Yeah, like I said,

that's gonna do it. I think we got a maybe

some more super chat shown. I'm not sure we sure did.

Speaker 2: Actually yes, yes from one j Man zero six two

five Birthday tax Thank you John, Happy birthday, Eh, Happy birthday,

Jedi Moss four. Do we think Rhythm Heaven is the

last notable first party game for Switch one?

Speaker 1: So like they they do this every generation, but like

as part of the price increase. I think when they

were talking to investors, they were suggesting that they would

keep supporting the Switch one. I think I'm still in

the I'll believe it when I see it category with

that stuff, Sean, but I'm I'll say there's gonna be

one more like equivalent level Switch one game from them.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds right to me. I think notable being

the keyword in your Superju Jedi. I think that's right.

It might be the last notable one. There might be something.

Speaker 1: Else could be fair. Yeah, the DS is the third

pillar exactly. Marino's thinking the exact same thing I was. Yeah,

they just say these things.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Slippery Moose Cakes says the people want to know

if it. I'm assuming I believe came in when you

were talking about the Retroid Pocket and Nova. The people

want to know if it can play Pajama Sam in

four k at FPS. Also, not to get political, but

have you ever gotten a double killing Halo.

Speaker 1: Double quill?

Speaker 2: Yeah?

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one voice I can do. Yeah, sure, absolutely,

and I'm proud of it. Yeah. Well, what was the

first to comment they made there?

Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Pajama Sam, don't you worry? Pajama Sam and

nine to sixty p don't you worry? It's gonna be great?

Speaker 1: Hell yeah, awesome? Any other super chats?

Speaker 2: Yes, Ali Miracle. They should bring vm us back.

Speaker 1: They should. They absolutely should. I uh amuse rule. You

know I got the one I do. I did order

a VMU Pro because it's it'll be handy for saving

all these games instead of having like one of those

four X expansion packs. But man, vm us are awesome.

They're so cool. I was like explaining to my kids

all about it and being like, heyy, because people take

this to school and raise their chow and try not

to get it taken away by the teacher, and they're like, hmm,

really that's interesting. I'm like, we'll see. Maybe if you

got want to play Sonic this summer, maybe we can

do that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Zombie Porin back with nar one. Does the M

two slot for the superstation work yet? And I'm gonna

say probably not. Yeah, I'm gonna assume not.

Speaker 1: Right, So many of those things aren't that it's just

safe to assume it's not.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like I said, it's it sucks and

they should not have done things this way. I really

wish they would just like delay the superstation a little

bit when shipping, if the console UI that has some

of the features that you pay for, if it's not

ready to go. Like I I do think that this

whole experience with Retro Remake and you know, Taki making

the company he's done like a couple of post mortemsie

the YouTube channel, I think it was a big learning

experience of like, oh, yeah, this ship is hard. It's

not you know, we can armchair all we want, but

actually is really difficult to do a lot. Yeah, So

I think they're learning, and it does seem like they

are like slowly starting to like actually roll out everything

they promised. But yeah, it's just unfortunate that not everything

is there as promised from day one on for sure,

and then last one here is a grant NP was

a member or is a member for nine months now,

so thank you for that, Grant, And the message on

it was, what TV slash monitor do you all use.

I'm in the market for a mid budget TV, would

like some advice, but also curious how much displays really

matter to you, Jeff, I feel like they matter less

to you if you want to go first.

Speaker 1: I mean, I look for a TV. All I want

is one that I'm not gonna hate, and turns out

there's not a lot right now, I'll be curious. It's

like a mid range TV. If there's one that people

do recommend that it's not going to be super frustrating

if you're trying to do anything like on the TV itself.

But all these smart TVs are so shitty that the

one I got the I can't remember what it is upstairs,

but like the board broke on it. So now every

time I use it's like, hey, your memory is getting

full on here, and it's not. This is just what

happens when the board breaks and the I have a

audio system connected to that and that doesn't work anymore

because of the same reason, and all like the Sony

TV never does an HD in my handshake. Right, it

will do it once, maybe twice, and then the third

time I go to turn on that TV and a console,

it's like, I don't know, there's nothing connected, and I

have to restart the TV, like completely reboot it. And

that's what gets the HDCP to happen again. It's so frustrating.

Speaker 2: Well, so i'd say it's an LGO lead, right, and

you're having problems with your LGO lead that you purchased.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish, I wish I had an LG O red.

That's the thing I need to do. So that's where

I'm at. I'm like, it's time to just like slowly

replace all these TVs as I can afford it with

lg O leads, because that seems to be the one

TV everyone agrees that actually can put up with it.

And then I'm my computers. You know, decent fourteen forty

p one hundred and sixty five hrtz monitors. The brand

is KTC and they have done just fine by me.

Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm more of a stickler about these things,

and like I do a stupid amount research, Like no

one should do amount of research. So let me help

you with the amount of research I've done.

Speaker 1: Please.

Speaker 2: You know, I follow a lot of digital foundry in

my life and gaming, so a long time ago they

sent me down the right path. And like I was

giving jeffalocraft for this, but legit, don't buy TV unless

it's an lg O lead. If you draw the money

for an lg OLED, save up until the mind for

an lg OLED. But they're also they're getting very reasonable.

You said a mid budget TV. They do start at

like six hundred now, which I would consider is still

in that mid budget range, maybe the upper end of

mid budget. Yeah, like that's six hundreds, like mid budget

six undreds. Yes, yeah, Like I'm looking at best Buy

right now, and this is in This is fifty dollars

off the sale price for the sale price, but forty

eight inch is around six hundred bucks. That forty eight

inch old is really all you need, like unless you

have like a really big living room, which in that

case you can probably afford a bigger one. But get

the lg O lead. It's you won't regret. It's like saying, yeah,

can I get a B or should I like?

Speaker 1: Because my own understand is, like the B processor, you're

gonna regret it. So just get the C I have.

Speaker 2: A B eight here from twenty eighteen, still serving me

good to this day.

Speaker 1: That's all I need to hear. That's what I need

to hear.

Speaker 2: All right, great, Yeah, like I at this point, I

don't even know what the difference is between the various classes.

I think it might be like the quality of the

post processing, which I turn off anyways, right, so yeah, yeah,

you can definitely go at the entry level one, and

I would say not regret for my monitor. I also

finally have an O Lead monitor. I got at the

Samsung G six I got on sale. I got on sales,

so it was like a woot. I stacked a couple

of deals I got for like three fifty, so I

love it. The fourteen forty P two hundred and forty

hurts O Lead and that's the sweet spot for motors.

That's like what MSI is doing nowadays with their oleads,

this Samsung one and a bunch of our brands, even

like aoc as a cheap one as well. Definitely look

for like a fourteen forty P O LED monitor and

they're usually gonna be between one hundred and twenty and

three hundred and sixty herds, so like I do a

little shopping around, but that's what I would recommend at

this point.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and those Samsungs are they've made a lot of those,

so yeah, they should keep actually coming down in price

if things don't go insane over there on that side

of things as well. So yeah, all right, very cool.

Any other any other super chats?

Speaker 2: Nope, that's it. We're all caught up, Jeff, excellent.

Speaker 1: All right, Well let's start getting out of here. Thank

you everybody for watching. Turn this music. Oh you know what?

That broke too? Huh? They got rerouted? All right's they

can't do it.

Speaker 3: I got what's going to sing him?

Speaker 2: And I can't.

Speaker 1: THEE should come in there. There we go, all right,

I fixed it. I had to go to stream deck.

Let me just you know what. Let's do that now,

all right for the intro, So I don't next week

try to start the show and it doesn't work. But

that on the right bus. There we go. We're welcome future. Jeff,

all right, thanks you, thank you everybody for listening. Thank

you for tuning in and watching along with us tonight.

We really appreciate it. Mike should be back for Nintendogs

next week. We should have besides next week because Friday

is kind of when the holiday starts and when I

might be traveling, so we should be good, although it

could be hectic. We'll see. But Sean, thank you so

much for hanging out with me tonight. Man, that was

awesome when you tell people where they could find you

and all that.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, it is a fun time. And if you

want more fun times, go on over to twitch dot

tv slash Turbo Shan. I stream on Saturdays and Sundays

at noon Central and I upload the VODs or it's

a YouTube channel of the same name, Turbo Shan Shawn.

And yeah, like I said, go check out that superstation

video on my YouTube channel if any of that sound

interesting to you, or you just want to hang out

and watch some retro games and like chill vibes. I

try to keep the twitch chat, you know, sane and

comfy and cozy because the Internet sucks and I want

a nice place where people can hang out. Everyone is

welcome and we actively punt out anyone who tries to

cause trouble, so I come hang out with us.

Speaker 1: I did have an LG and an lgc X. I

think I think I had that one. They lent it

to me to review, and then I had to send

it back and it was always like such a penlank

I had it. Why do I don't want to buy it?

It's expensive? I should have just bought it. It was

really really great. It was a really good TV sound. Yeah. Yeah,

and then Sony's actually did send one and then, uh,

the reason they let me keep that one is because

it's a piece of shit. It's garbash. I'm the pan

right now. Yeah yeah, all right, well, thank you once

again everybody. You know, we'll be back into them that

next time. Until then, have a good one, take care

of yourself and goodbye, bye monster of the deep. Tomorrow

it's gonna happen.

Speaker 2: Yes, finally, you would.

Speaker 5: Probably have to man for so long have fantasize about

sucking their own dick a penis.

Speaker 1: Make sure you get a good People shouldn't drink water.

That could be a fun thing to pull out, you know,

once every year.

Speaker 3: The Southern ending is