← Back to Podcast/#TwoLostHours | "Do You Believe In Flying Saucers Now?"
Episode Transcript

#TwoLostHours | "Do You Believe In Flying Saucers Now?"

Betty and Barney Hill left Howard's Restaurant in Colebrook, New Hampshire at 10:05 on the night of September 19th, 1961; a light kept pace with their car down U.S. Route 3, and by the time the kitchen clock in Portsmouth read shortly after five, neither of them could remember a thirty-five-mile stretch of the drive. Betty called Pease Air Force Base two days later, and in November two NICAP members who drove up to Portsmouth worked through a sum nobody had done yet: Colebrook to Portsmouth is about a four-hour drive, the Hills had left at ten and gotten home after five, and neither of them could say where the other hours had gone.

From the book “TWO LOST HOURS ON ROUTE 3: The Betty And Barney Hill UFO Abduction, 65 Years Later” by Darren Marlar at https://weirddarkness.com/TwoLostHours

WeirdDarkness® is a registered trademark. Copyright ©2026, Weird Darkness.

Originally aired: October 14, 2026

Speaker 1: This is Two Lost Hours on Route 3 from Weird Darkness.

I'm Darren Marlar. 65 years ago, September 19th, 1961, Betty

and Barney Hill drove through New Hampshire's White Mountains and

arrived home hours later than expected, unable to account for

a missing stretch of time. Strange marks on their car,

a torn dress, and disturbing dreams followed. Under hypnosis, They

described an encounter with beings from another world, but their

psychiatrist remained skeptical. Their story became America's most famous alien

abduction case, inspiring decades of investigation, controversy, and competing explanations.

Drawing on original reports, hypnosis transcripts, and more than 60

years of research, Two Lost Hours on Route 3 explores

what really happened that September night. And... what remains unexplained.

And now, two lost hours on Route 3, the Betty

and Barney Hill UFO abduction, 65 years later. The clock

over the restroom door at Howard's Restaurant in Colebrook, New Hampshire,

read 10.05 when Betty and Barney Hill walked back out

to their car on the night of September 19th 1961.

They had roughly 175 miles of U.S. Route 3 between

them and their house on State Street in Portsmouth, and

Barney figured on pulling into the driveway somewhere between 2.30

and 3 in the morning. The car was a 1957

Chevrolet Bel Air two-door hardtop. Their dashhunt, Delsey, was in

the backseat. They had cut a Montreal vacation short that

afternoon because the city was expensive and the traffic was bad,

and a radial forecast of a hurricane moving up the

coast had made an all-night drive home seem like the

sensible choice. Somewhere south of Lancaster, with a ten-day-old gibbous

moon hanging over the mountains and the planet Jupiter sitting

bright beside it, Betty noticed a point of light below

the moon that seemed to be getting bigger. She watched

it for a while before she said anything. Barney told

her it was probably a satellite or a plane that

had wandered off course. They pulled into a picnic area

near Twin Mountains so the dog could stretch her legs.

At one of the stops that night, Barney took the

pistol out of the trunk before he got out because

the woods were dark and it was bear country. Betty

handed him the binoculars. He looked, and he couldn't make

it a plane. The hills kept driving south, and the

light kept pace with them. They watched it pass behind

the summit of Cannon Mountain, 4,077 feet up and maybe

a mile off, then come out the other side. They

stopped again in Franconia Notch, beneath the old man of

the mountain. At the parking lot for the flume, the

trees cut off their view, so they drove on past

the Indian Head Resort, where Betty noticed a man smoking

behind a screen door, and a little more than two

miles north of North Woodstock, the thing came down over

the road in front of them. It was big by then,

and silent. Walter Webb, the Hayden Planetarium lecturer who would

spend six hours interviewing them a month later, wrote down

what they told him about the shape. A flattened disk

with a row of windows along its rim, hanging perhaps

80 to 100 feet above the ground and a few

hundred feet off the road. Barney stopped the car in

the middle of the highway, took the binoculars, and walked

out into a field to get a better look. He

kept walking. Through the 7x50 lenses, he could see figures

at the windows. Somewhere between 8 and 11 of them

by the count he gave Webb, dressed in shiny black

uniforms with peaked caps like the leather of a German

officer's coat. One of them stood at what looked like

a control lever, glanced over his shoulder, and smiled. Another

kept his eyes on Barney and did not look away.

Barney told Webb the figures were somehow not human. He

said it out loud in the field, too, that he

didn't believe it, that this was ridiculous. And then he

turned and ran back toward the car, repeating that they

were going to be captured, dropping the binoculars on the

way so that the strap broke. Back behind the wheel,

he threw the car into gear and drove, while Betty

craned around to find the object and couldn't see it anymore.

A few miles down the road, the car started to

beep at them. Webb's report described it as a series

of beeping or buzzing sounds, as if in code, coming

from the direction of the trunk. And each beep made

the car vibrate. The Air Force officer who took Betty's

call two days later wrote it down as a sound

like someone had dropped a tuning fork. Then the beeps stopped.

The next thing either of them remembered clearly was the

beeps again. Five or six of them, somewhere around Ashland,

some 35 miles south of where they'd last seen the object.

Betty asked him, Do you believe in flying saucers now?

Barney told her not to be ridiculous, that it hadn't

been a flying saucer. Neither of them could remember the

stretch of road in between, and both had a vague

sense they had turned off the highway at some point.

The kitchen clock in Portsmouth read shortly after five when

they got home. Their watches had stopped. The family account,

as Betty's niece Kathleen Martin tells it, is that a

family photograph shows Betty's watch stopped at 5.16 and that

neither watch ran again. Barney went into the bathroom and,

for no reason he could name, examined his genitals. Betty

put the dress she'd worn on the trip in the

closet and left it there. The dog was trembling under

the seat when they went back out to the car.

Over the next few days, small things accumulated. Barney's good

shoes were scuffed across the toes. There was a cluster

of more than a dozen shiny circles on the trunk lid,

each about the size of a half dollar that nobody

could account for. Betty's sister, Janet, after asking a neighbor

who was a physicist, suggested they hold a compass over

the spots. When they did, the needle spun. The spots

faded over the winter. The dress, when Betty finally took

it out of the closet, was torn along the zipper

and through the lining, its hem ripped on one side

and coated with a pink powder that blew away when

she put it outside in the sun. Betty called Pease

Air Force Base on September 21st. Barney asked her to

leave him out of it. Barney Hill was 39 that September,

born in Newport News, Virginia in 1922, and raised in

Philadelphia as the youngest son of a postal worker with

Army service in the Second World War behind him. His

job was assistant dispatcher on the night shift at the

Boston Post Office, a 60-mile drive each way from Portsmouth.

and he blamed the 120-mile daily round trip for the

ulcer he was being treated for. His blood pressure was

high as well. As a member of the NAACP, in

the years after the drive, he would test New Hampshire's

1961 anti-discrimination law in Portsmouth barbershops, help bring the first

successful lawsuit under it, attend the March on Washington in 1963,

and be appointed to the New Hampshire Advisory Committee of

the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. Betty, at 42, was

carrying a caseload of about 120 families as a child

welfare social worker for the state. She had grown up

on a chicken farm in Kingston, born Eunice Elizabeth Barrett

in nearby Newton in 1919, and had gone back to

school as an adult, graduating from the University of New

Hampshire with honors in 1958. The two of them had

married on May 12, 1960, a black man and a

white woman in a small New England city and they

attended South Church, the Unitarian congregation in Portsmouth, whose minister,

John Papendrew, a civil rights liberal, would host the church

discussion groups where the Hills first told the story in

1962 and 1963. Webb, who had no reason to flatter them,

wrote that Barney had a total lack of interest in

or curiosity about flying saucers before that night, and that

Betty had a mild interest in the sky and had

never read a book on the subject. he came away

from the six-hour interview impressed by their intelligence, their apparent honesty,

and their obvious wish to play down the more sensational

parts of what they had seen. Major Paul W. Henderson

of the 100th Bomb Wing at Pease called the Hills

back on the 21st and, by his own account, worked

on the report all night. The document he filed, Air

Force Information Report 100-1-61-19, is the earliest official record of

the case. It places the sighting between midnight and 1 a.m.

on September 20th, near Lincoln, and describes a continuous band

of lights, cigar-shaped, with wings that seemed to appear from

the main body in a V-shape, with red lights on

the tips. The wings, the report says, later appeared to

extend further. The observation lasted about 30 minutes by the

Hill's estimate. The weather and sky were clear, and the

tuning fork sound is written down, along with Barney's own

assessment that he felt somewhat foolish and simply couldn't believe

such a thing could or did happen. It says nothing

about figures at the windows. John Fuller, whose 1966 book

would carry the case to the world, wrote plainly that

Barney had sheepishly avoided mentioning the beings he had seen

when he talked to the Air Force. Five days later,

on September 26th, Betty wrote to Major Donald Kehoe, the

retired Marine and Director of the National Investigations Committee on

Aerial Phenomena, after checking Kehoe's book, The Flying Saucer Conspiracy,

out of the Portsmouth Library. That letter did describe figures

scurrying about in shiny black uniforms, and had put the

encounter at about midnight. Henderson's report also carried a radar note.

At 2.14 a.m. on September 20th, the Precision Approach Radar

at Pease had picked up an unidentified aircraft four miles out.

A separate entry recorded a target at 62,000 feet, picked

up by the North Concord Air Force Station in Vermont

the previous afternoon at 5.22 p.m., tracked for 18 minutes

as it moved northwest and then south. the report said

it was not possible to determine any relationship between either

radar return and what the Hills had seen. Project Blue Book,

the Air Force's UFO desk at Wright-Patterson, shuffled its evaluation

of the Hill case more than once. Its index cards,

as later transcribed by NICAP, note a strong inversion in

the area and list a weather inversion, the planet Jupiter,

an optical condition, and insufficient data as evaluations at various points,

and the file's bottom line was that the object was

in all probability Jupiter. When Webb asked, Major Mastin Jacks

at the Pentagon told him the case was carried as

insufficient data and that the object was probably Jupiter. Kevin Randall,

who has read the file itself, notes that it also floats,

and then dismisses the idea of an advertising searchlight playing

off the clouds. Webb's first report, dated October 26th, 1961,

concluded that the Hills were telling the truth, and that

the encounter had happened essentially as they described it. He

was not finished with them. On November 25th, two more

NICAP members drove up to Portsmouth, C.D. Jackson and Robert Homan,

both of whom worked at IBM, and in the course

of going back over the timeline, they worked out loud

through a sum nobody had done yet. Colebrook to Portsmouth

in about a four-hour drive. The Hills had left at

ten and gotten home after five. So where had the

other hours gone? Neither of them could say. Both, according

to Jerome Clark's account of the meeting, described an image

of a fiery orb sitting on the ground and were

told the moon had already set by then. The 35

miles between Indian Head and Ashland were a blank. Martin

dates the family's realization that roughly two hours were unaccounted

for to that November conversation. Before it, she says, the

Hills knew only that they had gotten home late. By then,

Betty was already having the dreams. They started about ten

days after the drive by Fuller's account, closer to two

weeks by Webb's, and ran five nights in a row.

And then they stopped and never came back. Betty wrote

them down on notepaper in early October and typed up

a clean account in November 1961 at a friend's urging.

She hesitated to tell Barney about them at all. In

the dreams, there is a roadblock on a lonely New

Hampshire road and a group of small men in uniform,

eight to eleven of them, standing in the way. She

loses consciousness as they approach the car. She wakes aboard

a craft and is given a complete physical examination while

Barney is taken down a curved corridor for one of

his own. The men are between five feet and five

foot four, in blue military-style uniforms with caps. They have

black hair, Dark eyes, bluish lips, and grayish skin, and

their noses are large. In her own notes, Betty compared

them to Jimmy Durante's. They speak with their mouths in

something like English with an accent. One of them, the leader,

is friendlier than the rest. She is told no harm

will come to her and that she will not remember.

She is shown a book of symbols and a map

of stars, and then the book is taken back. Martin,

who has read the typed account many times, describes the

dream figures as human in appearance, and she is emphatic

that they were not the beings Betty later described under hypnosis.

Skeptics agree that the two descriptions differ, and they draw

the opposite conclusion from it. Thanks for listening. I've been

reading from my book Two Lost Hours on Route 3,

The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Abduction 65 Years Later.

If you'd like a list of sources I used for

this episode and for the book it's narrated from, you

can find the full list at weirddarkness.com slash two lost hours.

Scroll to the bottom of that page for the sources used.

If you'd rather not wait for the next section to

be shared in the podcast, the whole book is on

Amazon in Kindle and paperback. as well as Kindle Unlimited

at WeirdDarkness.com slash books.

This transcript was automatically generated by the podcast creator and may contain errors. Aggregated via the PodcastIndex API.