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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 207 sitting here with echo Charles and we are going to review some questions from the field On the front lines Where the rubber meets the road y'all are out there troopers getting after it.

[SPEAKER_01]: We will provide you with some answers Some courses of actions and recommendations to help you get through these challenges that you're facing.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's where we're at let's go

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, first question from the field.

[SPEAKER_00]: Could you tell me what your opinion is about jujitsu coaches bringing their dogs to the gym?

[SPEAKER_00]: I saw one time, the dog was free to step on the mats at one of the gyms I went to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Recently, another instance I saw a dog was allowed to sleep on a special rug, but not on the mats.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's your take?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I like dogs, you know, that's kind of part of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, having a dog in school, pretty, it's pretty much like seems to be fine with me.

[SPEAKER_01]: We used to have a dog named Victory at the Victory Gym, but it was only downstairs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not in the match.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not in the match.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I think...

[SPEAKER_01]: The the dogs being on the mat is kind of that's that's doesn't seem to have a great idea to me, you know, not look at the dogs are going to be bringing dirt onto the mat because they don't wear shoes, so that way they walk on the mat, they're just going from the regular floor to the mat, you know, we wear flip flops or whatever slippers when we go off the mat and do we try and keep it as clean as we can and also dogs have claws and other just caught up the mat so that doesn't seem to smart.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of this just has to pen with a school man in a little school You could see that's not that big of a deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're you know, but if you have a bigger school Now, we'll suddenly got a dog run around that seemed like it could be a little bit problematic Overall, I guess I'm okay with it, but it's I'm also just kind of open-minded in general not many things really bothered me

[SPEAKER_01]: Digitzer is a place where disease can spread, right, ringworm, staff infections, there's all kinds of nasty stuff that can be on the mats.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're in a gym that doesn't have issues with that regularly, and look, there's gyms, like the cleanest gyms in the world, they can have problems, like hospitals have problems with staff infections.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, these things can happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, usually if they happen, you kind of round things up and get control over them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's not a steady state of, if there's a steady state of general cleanliness in your gym and there's a dog there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: If there's a general state of like not cleanliness in the gym and there's a dog there doesn't seem like it'd be cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if the gym is clean and then it's really no factor to have the dog hang out and if the gym is dirty, then the dog doesn't probably help out.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of where I'm at.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's an help out.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, really.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-uh.

[SPEAKER_00]: You said something there that was actually the real point where you're like you said Not many things bother me and I get it man, and I'm actually with you with the dogs like to me I pretty much trust the owner and you know if the owner seems pretty square it away because let's faith I mean lately you got a little let's say you have a little uh due to Jim small one and everyone's it's just like one big family Right the dog's part of that family

[SPEAKER_00]: You know outside dog whatever like brother dog has a lot of leeway and you kind of just so you know Well, I think this is an important good point.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what it means yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a dog at my house course my dog goes on my bed.

[SPEAKER_01]: My dog goes on my couch.

[SPEAKER_01]: My dog does not go on my mat It cuz I've matched it my house to legit mats.

[SPEAKER_01]: You see my mats.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a dojo.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right dog not allowed on those mats

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's something interesting about that, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was straight up, just have my dog on my couch, on me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, straight up, but not on the mats.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a little indicator.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is, and again, that just goes back to your thing, that your personal preference, whatever that's based on, you know, that's on you, and that's your thing, and I respect it pretty deeply.

[SPEAKER_00]: But...

[SPEAKER_00]: Nonetheless, it's still you.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's your personal preference.

[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, let me ask you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is he not allowed on the map?

[SPEAKER_01]: Hair, I think it's more hair.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, just hair on the map.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if he didn't shed for whatever magical reason he would be allowed on the map, probably I would be more inclined to let him on the map, but also like

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's because on the mats, let's face it, your personal intimacy with the mats is more than your personal intimacy with your bed.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't, I don't take my face and grind it into my bed.

[SPEAKER_01]: The way I grind the floor.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, no, I don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not in that like full.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just.

[SPEAKER_01]: chaotic just contact yeah you know like you can't lay in a bed or a couch as aggressively as you're laying on a on a freaking mat like it just it's happening so yeah I think that's I think that's part of it you know yeah I mean but when you did you're not going your mat's

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my duh them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: At first there was my talk small, but and it does not shed at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, but whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, at first.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those are all no dogs in the, you know, and then I was like, what am I?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the bounce outside by the way.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you've got trees and insects and birds and rats and everything's on your feet on their backsets.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just say.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, um, but nonetheless, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So no really the point is that I'm just trying to get to the bottom of how this stuff works because it's like, yeah, that's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't grind your this and you know, like, so you're saying this verb, but you We train here though.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, much other people grinding you wouldn't let other people jump in your bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: You seem to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like, okay, cool, it could be it, but maybe not like a mental disconnect when you're trying to get you to you have to cast us that's a different figure out man, if the if the dirtiness is going to and the hygiene is going to freak you out digits is just not you're not going to be able to do it and if you can't set aside those fears of just disgustingness, yeah, you it's going to be a problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might be the fundamental concept that you have to evaluate.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's how grossed out are you going to get and what are you going to allow to gross you out?

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's say, because really when you go into especially victory, we got a lot of guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, yeah, we clean the mats, everything that I get it, that's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's gonna come down to the idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, we don't know what's being dragged on this mat.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know the history of every single person and their feet, and their fungus and their freaking...

[SPEAKER_00]: hands where their hands are going, you know, often they wash them and what they're wiping and doing all this stuff like we don't know We literally don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: We may not want to know.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, if you were to evaluate it from a logical standpoint This probably a lot of various germs and freaking bacteria and stuff that you might not want to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly right.

[SPEAKER_00]: We might not want to know, you know So it's kind of like okay

[SPEAKER_00]: We do our state of mind when we go on the matches kind of that of like I'm going to suspend my concern for that the details of that and just kind of just you know kiss it up to God in a way where so we're just going to trust We'll put in some rules that make us all feel better for sure like no no Bare feet in the bathroom in on this stuff and does that help?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe maybe not but at the end of the day.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like

[SPEAKER_00]: You're still contending with things that a lot of times we don't want to really recognize consciously, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there's that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I think that's like the base the baseline, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, because this is real.

[SPEAKER_00]: This face is like going on under the hood in this whole situation.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're introducing dogs on the mat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's the consider that little formula for the dogs, but we don't know where that dog is and dogs get crazy sometimes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like as far as what they get into.

[SPEAKER_00]: not to mention their own bodies, not to mention their own, and yeah, we re-read on the internet, and this guy that guy says things that make us feel better, like, quote, the dog's mouth is a cleanish mouth of the thing of the animal kingdom or whatever, but like, probably, you don't know, but we don't know where that dog's been.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so and I'm not saying I wouldn't allow it quite frankly I trust the owner like if the owner is like Yeah, dog in the man.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's my gym like dog.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like fuck yeah because I like dogs I think for if it's a behaved dog that's not doing you know Calling outside of the lines as far as behavior goes bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like I'm down for it and I trust I'm not talking about me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying you can't be surprised when other people don't like that

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm saying whether it be the hair, whether it be just a dog that I'm not used to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some people, they have traumatic experiences, that's on this side of the spectrum, I get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But some people, they have traumatic experiences with dogs, now they're nervous.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you can't be like, it put it this way.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't find it exceptional, exceptionally reasonable to expect everyone to be okay with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm saying, so, someone's like, hey, I don't like that stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: that's why you got to find a gym with your vibe.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a little bit of a no-jerms vibe, you got to find a different gym with that guy that's rolling with that dog on the night.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're, if you're all down.

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