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The Stolen Generation paradox: how Dorothy’s grandkids were left to die

Today, one woman’s powerful account of how her own daughter became a victim - and then a perpetrator - of shocking violence. Of how bureaucrats terrified of creating another stolen generation left three indigenous children to be murdered. But Dorothy Papertalk, an articulate and dignified Yamatji-Wajarri lady, wants you - and all of us - to listen. 

Read more about this story at theaustralian.com.au and see the video by subscribing to our YouTube channel.

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This episode of The Front is presented by Claire Harvey, produced by Kristen Amiet and edited by Tiffany Dimmack. Our team includes Lia Tsamoglou, Joshua Burton and Jasper Leak, who also composed our music. 

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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

Speaker 1: It's Monday, August twenty four, twenty twenty six. A fleet

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Speaker 1: in future conflicts. Those are exclusives live now at the

Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au today. One woman's powerful account

Speaker 1: of how her own daughter became a victim and then

Speaker 1: a perpetrator of shocking violence, Of how bureaucrats, terrified of

Speaker 1: creating another stolen generation, left three Indigenous children to be murdered.

Speaker 1: But Dorothy paper Talk, an articulate and dignified West Australian,

Speaker 1: wants you and all of us to listen.

Speaker 2: I may be one man Nigenous lady, but I've got

Speaker 2: a strong, strong The way things are going in this town,

Speaker 2: our young children have no hope of life if we

Speaker 2: don't start doing something. Now that's truly gone to me

Speaker 2: more loss of them.

Speaker 1: This is Dorothy paper Talk. She's a yamachi wagero woman

Speaker 1: from Red Earth Country in Western Australia. Dorothy's telling her

Speaker 1: story with journalist Ross Thomas.

Speaker 3: I was approached by the pro bono lawyer for Dorothy

Speaker 3: paper Talk, who said to me, do you think that

Speaker 3: you could dig hard enough to get to the bottom

Speaker 3: of this? So that's like a red rag took so yes,

Speaker 3: we said yes. I started in April. It's taken me

Speaker 3: this long to get it to press.

Speaker 1: Dorothy's daughter, Margaret Hawke, was living in port Headland, on

Speaker 1: the edge of the pilbro in Western Australia's northwest.

Speaker 4: She was a methamphetamine addict.

Speaker 3: She was living in a house, a welfare house in

Speaker 3: port Headland, with a number of members of various mobs

Speaker 3: of her succession of partners. The house was filled with

Speaker 3: extraordinary domestic violence substance abuse, which the children were either

Speaker 3: the victims of or watched their mother become the victims of.

Speaker 4: We are talking beatings with.

Speaker 3: Iron bars, scissors, rock fist boot nothing like I've ever

Speaker 3: seen before. Dorothy Papertook, several years ago, made the first

Speaker 3: of her at least five appeals to the Department of

Speaker 3: Chile Protection to remove her grandchildren, who she said were

Speaker 3: clearly unsafe.

Speaker 4: The Department old.

Speaker 3: Protection did not listen to her and did not act,

Speaker 3: and then on July the nineteenth in twenty twenty two,

Speaker 3: after a math fuel bender, Margaret Hawk, the mother of

Speaker 3: the three children, Jamelia who was ten, Under who was seven,

Speaker 3: and baby Kelvin who was four months, murdered them in

Speaker 3: an unbelievable rampage not ten minutes after they were dropped

Speaker 3: home from school. No one did to help them, and

Speaker 3: you couldn't.

Speaker 2: Save them, and I didn't give a chance to say

Speaker 2: goodbye to them.

Speaker 3: She was charged with three counts of murder. She was

Speaker 3: sentenced in twenty twenty three by the Supreme Court by

Speaker 3: a judge who happened to be the first appointed Supreme

Speaker 3: Court Aboriginal judge in Western Australia and who also grew

Speaker 3: up in Port Headland. He sentenced her to life imprisonment

Speaker 3: with a minimum of twenty five years. The court heard

Speaker 3: that the succession of indigenous and other male partners who

Speaker 3: had brought. The incredible domestic violence on this woman had

Speaker 3: led to her substance abuse methamphetamines, all kinds of drugs,

Speaker 3: plus alcohol, and they were still actively threatening her even

Speaker 3: though two of those Indigenous partners were actually in jail.

Speaker 3: The father of the two eldest children was a drug

Speaker 3: trafficker from Iran. He was in jail and still threatening her,

Speaker 3: And I think she got to the point where her

Speaker 3: despair was so intense she saw no other way out.

Speaker 3: The night before the murders, she'd gone to the refuge

Speaker 3: in town. They had told her they were sorry, but

Speaker 3: that they were full. They got her a taxi home,

Speaker 3: and the next day she killed the children.

Speaker 1: This grandmother has spoken to you in such moving terms

Speaker 1: about those children. Their lives must have been awful, their

Speaker 1: short lives. They were obviously living in fear.

Speaker 4: Lost. All feel.

Speaker 2: The hot flames of fire, the torture they went through

Speaker 2: every time when I go out and visit the grave

Speaker 2: for their birth base.

Speaker 3: We are talking to a completely broken Indigenous grandmother. She

Speaker 3: has not been able to reconcile what her daughter did,

Speaker 3: but more importantly, she cannot reconcile the institutional neglect that

Speaker 3: left her grandchildren still in an incredibly violent home despite

Speaker 3: her multiple attempts to try to save them. I have

Speaker 3: obtained internal DCP reports that show Jamelia had been smashed

Speaker 3: in the face by a rock used by her mother

Speaker 3: not eight days before the murders, that police were called

Speaker 3: to the house at least twenty two times to intervene

Speaker 3: in incidents of domestic violence in which the police picked

Speaker 3: the children up and took them to Dorothy so that they.

Speaker 4: Would be safe.

Speaker 3: There is no doubt that these children were at extreme

Speaker 3: risk of harm. There is no doubt that those children

Speaker 3: should have been removed into the care of their grandmother,

Speaker 3: who was not only Indigenous, but had been looking after

Speaker 3: them most of the time anyway. So there was the

Speaker 3: indigenous grandmother, which the Aboriginal child Placement principle wants children

Speaker 3: who have to be removed to go straight to the

Speaker 3: nearest and dearest. In that kin, she was there holding

Speaker 3: out her arms waiting for those children to be given

Speaker 3: to her, because she knew how unsafe they were. DCP

Speaker 3: would not give those children to that grandmother. I have

Speaker 3: sent the DCP an extensive list of questions asking them

Speaker 3: about all the things that I have seen in their

Speaker 3: internal reports, and they have given us a statement saying

Speaker 3: that this is obviously a tragedy and that child removal

Speaker 3: is last resort and that systems will change as a

Speaker 3: result of this case. I was hoping for a maya culpa.

Speaker 3: I did not get one.

Speaker 1: It's reminiscent, of course, of the story of Kumanjai Little Baby,

Speaker 1: the five year old girl who died after being abducted

Speaker 1: from the town camp where her mother was living.

Speaker 5: It was never a matter of if police were going

Speaker 5: to charge forty seven year old Jefferson Lewis, but only

Speaker 5: a matter of time, and yesterday afternoon they did exactly that,

Speaker 5: charging mister Lewis with one count of murder and to

Speaker 5: other offenses.

Speaker 1: There's been reporting that her mother was also the victim

Speaker 1: of serious domestic violence, and in response to that disappearance

Speaker 1: and death, there's been a big change in the Northern

Speaker 1: Territory about the way kinship care is administered. So the

Speaker 1: principle is now supposed to be that the child's welfare

Speaker 1: comes first. What is the situation in WI. Has there

Speaker 1: been any kind of change like that and would that

Speaker 1: have made a difference in this case anyway? Given that

Speaker 1: the department seemed to just be ignoring the kinship request

Speaker 1: to have the children.

Speaker 2: Well.

Speaker 3: The legislation in WA is similar, if not the same,

Speaker 3: as in other states in the country, and that is

Speaker 3: the Aboriginal placement principle is that if at all possible,

Speaker 3: if a child needs to be removed from an unsafe

Speaker 3: home with an unsafe parent, then you know the absolute

Speaker 3: priority is to try and place that child with family first.

Speaker 3: And in this case, family was available. Family was not

Speaker 3: only available, but desperate to have those children.

Speaker 4: Desperate. And that's what I don't understand.

Speaker 3: I don't understand how that grandmother and her clearly competent

Speaker 3: caregiving could not have been seen as the only option

Speaker 3: for those children.

Speaker 2: I told my granddaughter whenever she felt unsafe to run

Speaker 2: from the house, to run to the.

Speaker 4: Phone box, they call grandma. They felt very scared all.

Speaker 2: The time, crime because mommy was getting followed by the daddy.

Speaker 3: When we have evidence of Jamelia, the ten year old,

Speaker 3: running from a house attack to the street payphone to

Speaker 3: call the cops. She was responsible for her little brother

Speaker 3: and a four month old baby, and there was the

Speaker 3: grandmother sitting not ten minutes away, having made five at

Speaker 3: least five appeals to DCP to say, please, I want

Speaker 3: to be the children's legal guardian. I look after the

Speaker 3: most of the time. Already, please give them to me,

Speaker 3: because I'm telling you they're not safe.

Speaker 4: Nothing happened.

Speaker 2: They just pushed everything under the carpet.

Speaker 4: They did nothing at all.

Speaker 2: They just turned the blind eye. And this is what happened.

Speaker 1: Coming up how the Stolen Generation story where Aboriginal children

Speaker 1: were taken from their families, looms over this modern child

Speaker 1: protection crisis. One of the things that springs to mind

Speaker 1: when you read about violence in remote Indigenous communities is

Speaker 1: that the remoteness is part of the problem. That it's

Speaker 1: very difficult to get police or nurses or ambulance workers

Speaker 1: to come to these communities. It's very difficult for there

Speaker 1: to be any kind of consistency in services for child protection,

Speaker 1: for example. That's not really the same import Headland, though,

Speaker 1: is that this is a pretty major center. It's not

Speaker 1: like Yundmu or the town camps in Alice Springs. How

Speaker 1: do you think remoteness plays into these if at all.

Speaker 3: Well, let's not forget this is one of the richest

Speaker 3: mining towns in the country. This is the world's biggest

Speaker 3: bulk export port. This is a town of seventeen thousand people.

Speaker 3: This town has three thousand Aboriginal people. I don't understand

Speaker 3: how a town this big and this relevant to the

Speaker 3: mining industry could somehow exist outside of the laws. And

Speaker 3: a former director General of the Department of Communities agreed

Speaker 3: to speak to me if I was to conceal his identity,

Speaker 3: and he said to me that if these children had

Speaker 3: been in Perth, they would definitely have been removed from

Speaker 3: their mother. So why the change in that regional town.

Speaker 3: I also had a call in the midst of the

Speaker 3: time that I was in port Headland from an anonymous

Speaker 3: source within the DCP in Perth saying, don't let the

Speaker 3: port Headland So the Department Child Protection tell you that

Speaker 3: they're not a well resourced and significant office. There is

Speaker 3: at least twenty five people working here. And I ask

Speaker 3: this particular anonymous source from Perth what percentage of the

Speaker 3: children at risk in this town are Aboriginal and the

Speaker 3: reply was ninety eight percent. It is not a small problem.

Speaker 1: The difficult thing about telling these stories is often that

Speaker 1: they are so bleak that we don't want audiences to

Speaker 1: turn away. We want our audience to read these stories,

Speaker 1: to watch the video, to see Dorothy's appeal. How do

Speaker 1: you navigate your way through telling this story and honoring

Speaker 1: Dorothy's wishes for this to be public, knowing that that

Speaker 1: this is our hard story for people to consume.

Speaker 3: It's a hard story for people to consume, but it's

Speaker 3: a necessary story for us all to read. Dorothy has

Speaker 3: given me permission to not only publish the children's names,

Speaker 3: but they're photographs, which I think is highly unusual and

Speaker 3: gives a measure of the desperation that she does not

Speaker 3: want her grandchildren's death to count for nothing. She has

Speaker 3: also been in almost daily contact with me. I have

Speaker 3: spent an enormous amount of time with her, and she

Speaker 3: tells the story of intergenerational Indigenous violence from the inside,

Speaker 3: and I haven't heard that story before. She says that

Speaker 3: in her world, parents are not parenting, and if they're

Speaker 3: not parenting, then their children should be removed. And she says,

Speaker 3: you know, people say to me, why would you want

Speaker 3: to create another stolen generation? And she says, well, at

Speaker 3: least our children would be alive, alive and beautiful, she says.

Speaker 3: And the interesting thing about spending a lot of time

Speaker 3: in Headland is that a number of Indigenous people I

Speaker 3: spoke to said that the DCP is terrified of being

Speaker 3: seen to create another stolen generation and that is perhaps

Speaker 3: what drove them not to remove the children, the Hawk

Speaker 3: children in this case before they were murdered, because fears

Speaker 3: of political blowback were greater than the fears that these

Speaker 3: children were absolute risk of critical injury or death.

Speaker 1: Well, thank you Roz for telling this story, and thanks

Speaker 1: to Dorothy for being so courageous to share it with us.

Speaker 4: Thank you, Yeah, my pleasure.

Speaker 1: You can read Roz Thomas's story right now at the

Speaker 1: link in our show notes. The Australian has a long

Speaker 1: history of fearless, nuanced reporting of life in Indigenous communities.

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