Mansfield Park Volume 2 Chapters 9-10

It's the day of the ball! Edmund gifts Fanny a SECOND chain, and Fanny decides to get over Edmund just as Edmund starts to doubt his feelings for Mary. Henry offers to take William to town and flirts up a storm with Fanny (respectfully). Fanny is the belle of the ball, despite her wishes.

Topics discussed include pasta necklaces, our In Defense of Edmund Drinking Game, Fanny's cup size, what Mary Crawford sees in Edmund, pros and cons of Henry and Edmund, and Regency ragers.

Becca's Study Questions: Topics discussed include angel hair vs. bucatini (or the Mary necklace vs. the Edmund necklace), Edmund's feelings about Mary's flaws now vs. the beginning of the book, Fanny's coming out, whether she's softening on Henry, and whether Edmund and Mary are over.

Funniest Quote: "She had all the heroism of principle, and was determined to do her duty; but having also many of the feelings of youth and nature, let her not be much wondered at, if, after making all these good resolutions on the side of self-government, she seized the scrap of paper on which Edmund had begun writing to her, as a treasure beyond all her hopes, and reading with the tenderest emotion these words, “My very dear Fanny, you must do me the favour to accept” locked it up with the chain, as the dearest part of the gift."

Questions moving forward: Is this the end of Mary and Edmund? What will happen between Henry and William on the carriage ride?

Who wins the chapters? Fanny!

Glossary of Terms and Phrases:

a la mortal (phrase): to the death

chequered (adj): marked by fluctuations in fortune

negus (n): a beverage made of wine, hot water, lemon juice, sugar, and nutmeg,

Glossary of People, Places, and Things: Avatar: The Last Airbender, Dawson's Creek, Hamilton, Hot N Cold

Next Episode: Mansfield Park Volume II Chapters 11-12

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey everyone, before we begin today we'd like to thank our newest patrons, Arden and Emily.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the team.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now enjoy this week's episode covering Volume 2, chapters 9 and 10 of Mansfield Park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to do a quick update on where you are in Avatar the last airbender.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I watched a couple more episodes the other night, so a couple of things happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: They went to a town that celebrates Avatar Day, which is like burn the Avatar Day, and

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then I solve this like mystery.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, right, Kiochi did actually kill their leader and they're like, yeah, and we're going to punish you, but then they make an agreement as long as and can get rid of the fire nation, then he can live and just do community service or whatever, or that is his community service.

[SPEAKER_00]: right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that happened and then they went to Amashu and Bumi was captured so we can't be teaching anger-thending.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're like trying to rescue Bumi and Bumi's like, this isn't my time to be rescued.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like being passive.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you meet the other girlies?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I met the other girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm obsessed, uh, much more.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, well, I love the circus girlie.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tiley.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Queen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's just like, I'm actually kind of happy here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she easily gets tricked into joining, uh, what's her name?

[SPEAKER_00]: Azula.

[SPEAKER_00]: Azula's gang.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I just think, I feel like she has a good heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's going to end up not being evil.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other one, obviously like gay and I'm obsessed with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: When is Willa showed up and she was like, she was like, please tell me you're here to kill me and then she giggles them and they hug.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, hmm, someone's gay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will neither confirm or deny.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I'm really shipping her and it's Willa, actually.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rain is Willa.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, I'm not going to tell you where people ship on this show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just gonna let you ship where you ship.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and see where that lands you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what our whole podcast is about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to say anything about this, but suffice it to say you just got through the Swamp episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I saw the swamp.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the swamp was before that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, um, was it after?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it might have been right after right before Avatar Day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: I loved the swamp people phenomenal.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also just like a cool episode all around.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, we haven't talked about it enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Saka, but also like he's pretty easily distracted from her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he sees another pretty girl and he's like, Ooh, well he's 15.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a lot to think other girls are pretty, but he's definitely still mourning the loss of U.S. Of course he is and I did love that episode and like what it kind of said about him and his character and his priorities and the fact that like no matter what he just wanted to be like see this swamp isn't mystical even when it like literally was mystical

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that sounds right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's your little avatar of the last airbender update, which is not what this podcast is about.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's instead about, you know, so I'm just like slowly pulling you and doing like participating in all the pop culture.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I didn't do it's a bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's supposed to just say, this is Becca.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is Molly.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are here to talk about Jane Austen.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are here specifically to

[SPEAKER_01]: Listeners, if you're new here, I back a have read many Jane Austen novels through my lifetime.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Molly, I'm reading all of her works for the first time through this podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hear Molly read through Pride and Pregidas since in sensibility, Emma, or persuasion for the first time, you can listen to seasons 1, 2, 3, and 4 of this podcast respectively, but that is not what we're doing here today.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, today we are talking about Mansfield Park, volume 2, chapters 9 and 10, or if your book is not broken up into volumes, chapters 27 and 28.

[SPEAKER_01]: Molly we have a ball we have a ball yes and the ball is is ripe with drama there is there is drama to be had and classic man's field park fashion it is not solely centered around our main girly no it is not

[SPEAKER_00]: I told Becca this already, but I have been having trouble with my right hand, and so I did voice to text for all of my notes for this chapter, so they might be a little chaotic, and we're going to see what happens.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what's going on with your hand?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just hurts, like my wrist and my pointer finger, and sometimes my middle finger, it's mostly my pointer finger.

[SPEAKER_00]: This tendon must be inflamed or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's happened before.

[SPEAKER_00]: It eventually just goes away, but it's been a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I tried to not do too much tippity typities, and instead tried to say my thoughts out loud without just recording this podcast twice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I'm really excited to talk about these chapters, so let's talk about where we left off.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so our guys, Sir Thomas, was playing like us and trying to track where things were beginning to grow in the lasagna and then did track that indeed.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was something brewing between Henry Crawford and Fanny, which we know as the readers is, you know, not necessarily totally genuine on Henry's part, but Sir T does not know that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So instead he plans a ball.

[SPEAKER_01]: as one does.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in preparation for this ball, Mary Crawford has given Fannie a necklace that has made her deeply uncomfortable because it is a necklace that Henry Crawford gave to Mary and Mary gives to Fannie which smells like something is a foot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Something is a foot.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was a very complicated way to say we're prepping for a ball and there's drama.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're prepping for a ball and there's drama in the form of a necklace.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Chapter nine or chapter 27.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fanny goes to drop off her newly acquired necklace in her Brooklyn apartment, and she finds Edmund there sitting at her writing desk, which he has never been before, like he's never in there alone, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And he had been writing her a letter, but he jumps up and he's like, I'm just going to tell you this in person.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got you a chain for Williams Cross.

[SPEAKER_00]: The timing could not be more perfect for this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, perfect for the story.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not, it's not like I deal for Fanny, but she's thrilled, but he says that this is a token of the love of one of her oldest friends, which I think is...

[SPEAKER_00]: a knife in her wounds, but she doesn't take it that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, let's let's unpack it because this is the closest we've gotten to romantic moment with Edmund basically since the book started.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, he hasn't yet called her beautiful to her face, which he does later.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is like peak for Fanny.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is a token of love.

[SPEAKER_01]: These are these, I don't want to call them the crumbs that she's taking from him because

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here's the thing, on one hand, he got her a beautiful chain and as we learn, it is just to her taste.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because he thought of those things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: But on the other hand, it's not necessarily like a declaration of love because it comes with a lot of agita about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mary Crawford as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he says it is from one of your oldest friends.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's friendship, friendship.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he hands it to her and kind of just immediately turns to leave.

[SPEAKER_00]: And fan he's like, wait, I can't even begin to thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't want her thanks.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of like,

[SPEAKER_00]: if that's all you have to say I'm gonna keep walking but she's like no wait I wish to consult you but as she says that she is also opened up the package that he's handed her and she stops what she was about to ask him and instead goes into raptors about how beautiful and perfect this chain is and he's like you should really calm down like

[SPEAKER_01]: And do we, I don't want to, I don't want to devalue fanize feelings here because I'm sure Edmund understands her perfectly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm got her a perfect chain for her at the same time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a better gift because it's coming from her crush?

[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That happens.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I'm picturing is this is a very simple gold chain.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect for putting a pendant on, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm picturing because we learn later that Mary Crawford's chain is too thick to go through the whole of her pendant nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm picturing that the one that Mary Crawford gave her is like a necklace with like bobbles on it that doesn't actually suit a pendant.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I actually have gold chains for pendants generally because I love pendants as like

[SPEAKER_01]: using it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like a statement penned in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sometimes like there is a really thick, like tubular gold chain.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the difference between angel hair pasta and like a bucatini.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm picturing that Mary Crawford gave Fanny the equivalent of a bucatini chain.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're Italian.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was in the listeners have heard about my Jewish, I believe they've heard that I'm also Italian.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they figured it out when you said that you grew up hearing something that's beginning to grow and lose on you.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was actually, that's a really good point.

[SPEAKER_01]: That does come from the Italians.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is my fear.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Although it's barely an old-time ADV reference.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But past you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I agree that it is probably not warranting the raptures that she is going into in Edmunds.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't need all of these thanks because I get pleasure from giving you pleasure.

[SPEAKER_01]: which is very sweet and you know, also again, like a gift means so much more when it comes from someone you have a crush on, getting flowers from your parents is nice, getting flowers from a guy who likes you, even if they're the same flowers or worse flowers, it's like a bigger deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, Phanny has heart eyes during this moment and Edmund is like, remember you were about to ask me something?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's just staring at him not saying anything, just, oh, and sorry, that did not read.

[SPEAKER_00]: That would not, it's an audio video.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fanny is like, all right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she explains what has just happened that she received a necklace from Mary and now one from Edmund and Edmund is like, oh my God.

[SPEAKER_00]: Miss Crawford did what now?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's like, ooh, that last, she's so nice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my god, just like two seconds in and he's already just like falling over Miss Crawford.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fanny can see that Miss Crawford has a particular power over him and she thinks though she has her drawbacks, which I thought was an interesting choice of words because he had just said that he gets joy out of bringing Fanny joy.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is without a drawback and then Fanny immediately is like

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Edmund has hard eyes because he's heard that Mary Crawford has done a nice thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Fanny has to kind of reel him back in and ask if she should return the necklace to Miss Crawford.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like absolutely not that would be so embarrassing for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Fanny's like, but surely she would rather not part with a gift from her brother.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, she wouldn't have given it to you if she didn't want to.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's probably fancier than the one I just gave you and it's more fit for a ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you should

[SPEAKER_00]: But the chain that you gave me will go better with my cross and Edmund's like, I think you can sacrifice style for one night and wear the necklace.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he thinks that Miss Crawford's attentions to Fanny have been consistent.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like she deserves, he does say it's no more than you deserve, but you don't want to seem ungrateful.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which is like it's awful coming from him because that's what she has grown up Hearing from the rest of the family like you don't want to be ungrateful I know you're so grateful don't don't see my grateful fanny and it's also her ball and it's her ball

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's tough.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says that he didn't order the chain for the ball specifically.

[SPEAKER_00]: He just wanted to give it to her in general.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she can just save it for another time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he tells her that he's been loving, watching her and Mary grow their friendship.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he wouldn't want any coolness to arise between the two dearest objects.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has none or this guy is so stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's really dumb.

[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever like, like, I don't want to stereotype here as I'm about to stereotype, but there's certain men who don't understand the dynamics between women at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like Edmund Bertrand has proven himself once again to like not understand women at all because the idea that there's no coolness between Fanny and Mary is like something you have to just pick up on zero bad vibes ever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess the question is, is anybody aware of phanties feelings for Edmund?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think nobody is, nobody is, nobody is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she would have no reason to hate Miss Crawford, none at all, except for her morals.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think it's more like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it can usually tell when two people don't like each other.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I do think that no offense to Mary Crawford, but I think that she's well, here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say she's good at being fake, but she's actually really bad at hiding any emotions ever.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like she just blurt's at whatever's on her mind.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think she's probably good at fake friendship.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's really the question here, isn't it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think that she like Fannie said in the last episode isn't a girl's girl and I think that she could easily fake friendship where she doesn't actually feel friendship just like for the bit in in this case potentially to get closer to Edmund, but we also have gotten her perspective and we know that she does like Fannie.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know that Fanny does not like her, but I think that Fanny, because she has been raised to be so constantly playgating.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like she might not show it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so that was a brief indefense event.

[SPEAKER_01]: God, every time we defend it, I'm taking shots.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is it's wings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway,

[SPEAKER_00]: he leaves and Fanny is a clumped because she is one of his two most dear objects.

[SPEAKER_00]: She is upset partially because the other object is Mary and he's never, she's never heard him speak so openly about his feelings for Mary before, but like on the other hand, she is one of his two most dear objects in life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she doesn't know how to feel.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's giving a very specific pop culture reference, which I'm 99% sure you're not going to

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dawson's Creek.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, season one of Dawson's Creek before I got good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was between James Vanderbeek, me, he rest in peace, key homes, and shell Williams.

[SPEAKER_01]: All, you know, tremendous superstars, but there was basically this love triangle where Dawson was in love with Michelle Williams, who was the new cool girl, and Joey was his like best friend, and there was this vibe of like I want these two girls to be best friend, the apple of my eye, and my girl best friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like precisely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's just like a and Joey is in love with Dawson in that season, which is just terrible for everybody involved.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so the combo of like the girl best friend who's in love with you and the girl you're crushing on an idealizing like together and being like, yeah, my two favorites.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is a theme that I feel like recurs and

[SPEAKER_00]: pop culture.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was trying to find another reference and then season one of Dawson's Creek jumped my brain before anything else did.

[SPEAKER_01]: You guys can tell I have a weird Rolex.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this for Fanny is confirmation that Edmund is going to marry Ms. Crawford.

[SPEAKER_00]: She thinks it would be more tolerable if Mary deserved him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is that she is lying to

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is like another thing like so we've talked about Mary's profound flaws as a human being and the way that she is incompatible with Edmund at the same time some of this is simply Fanny not being willing to admit that she's in competition with this girl

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fannie decides right then and there that she needs to get over him and she realizes that it would be insanity for her to continue thinking of him in that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she decides that from now on she will judge Miss Crawford with a sound intellect and honest heart rather than through the lens of jealousy.

[SPEAKER_00]: This next part might be my funniest quote, but essentially it says that she has all the heroism of principle, but she is also a teenage girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so she doesn't immediately go over to her desk and read the letter that he was writing her and like hold it to her heart and lock it up in a box with the chain and she's like, this is my most prized possession.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, going from I'm going to get over him to he wrote me a letter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and the letter is just two lines.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is giving Angelica Skyler in Hamilton.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my dearest Angelica with a comma after dearest.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just comforting to know that in 200 years so little has changed because

[SPEAKER_01]: women are still over-analyzing text for men.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he did not put a comma after my very dear Fanny.

[SPEAKER_00]: It like, it's my very dear Fanny.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was very dear.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't dearest.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't dearest, but she is his very dear Fanny, rather than his dear Fanny, which is what that comma would have signified had there been one like with Angelica.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, he wrote my

[SPEAKER_00]: but this is the only letter she's ever received from him and it says two lines more prized had never fallen from the pen of the most distinguished author never were such characters cut by any other human being.

[SPEAKER_00]: Girl, you just said you were going to get over him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she is no chill.

[SPEAKER_01]: No chill.

[SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, though, being a teenage girl and forcing herself to try to get over a man never works.

[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thursday comes the day of the ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it starts with Henry Crawford sending a note to William saying he is leaving for London tomorrow and does he want a ride.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Fanny is happy because the original plan was that William was going to leave tomorrow night rather than tomorrow morning, which would have meant that he had no rest before catching the coach to Portsmouth.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she's like, this is good for him, even though it means I have less time with William.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am happy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Sir Thomas is pleased also because Henry has invited William also to dine with the admiral.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is an advantageous introduction for William.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fanny is also happy on the other hand because Henry is leaving.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she's like, yes, William gets to rest and Henry gets to go away.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really a win win for Vanny.

[SPEAKER_00]: And really is, with regard to the ball, however, Fanny is much less excited than any other girl would be if a ball were being thrown in her honor.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was not brought up in the trade of coming out, so she's not used to the idea that everyone's going to be looking at her and she is really anxious about the concept of being perceived.

[SPEAKER_00]: She just wants to dance without any extraordinary fatigue.

[SPEAKER_00]: She wants to dance a little bit with Edmund.

[SPEAKER_00]: She wants to avoid Mr. Crawford and Mrs. Norris, and she wants William to enjoy himself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those are her, her goals for the night.

[SPEAKER_00]: She does not want attention.

[SPEAKER_00]: She spends the afternoon being bossed around by Mrs. Norris, but eventually she gets sent off to go get dressed.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as she slumps upstairs, she thinks, what if I see Edmund at my room again today?

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the hornyest thought fan he has ever had in her little life.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're so right!

[SPEAKER_00]: What if he's in my little bushwake law?

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, what if I walk in and he's in there and he's naked?

[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know what that means yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're so right.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then she hears his voice, and he's like, Fanny, and he's right there, not in her room, but on the stairwell.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he tells her that she looks exhausted and reprimand, sir, so she's been walking too far.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I haven't even gone anywhere, and he's like, okay, then you've been fatigued indoors, which is worse, you should have gone out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, can she win?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, they go upstairs together and she notices that he seems off and he tells her that he has just come from the grants and she may guess his errand there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is like a hard stop moment for our girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fanny thinks that he has proposed and she is, she almost falls down the stairs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she really does.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he says that it was to engage her for the first two dances and that makes many relax a little.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she learns that Mary said yes to the first two dances, but that that will be the last time she will ever dance with Edmund Bertrim.

[SPEAKER_00]: She says she has never danced with a clergyman and she never will and he thinks that she isn't serious But I think he's making uses for her again.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's dead serious So you think that Mary Crawford.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think Mary Crawford's doing with these words right here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, you know, I didn't actually examine it She is definitely trying to make him Not want to be a clergyman She's trying to like bait and switch him like he's in him.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's almost trying to give him an ultimatum

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of like me or the beloved church.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me or Jesus, you're so right, basically.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if he chooses to be a clergyman, then she will not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's hard to tell whether or not she's kidding here or if she's serious.

[SPEAKER_01]: If she's kidding, it's mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like this poor guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what does it do to Edmund in this moment, really?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't think it makes him doubt his convictions.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which convictions?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just, I hadn't considered that he would leave the church for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: So in my mind, it makes him worry that she won't marry him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: What I see in this moment and what we can go through would be by beat is I see

[SPEAKER_01]: It gives him like a moment of lucidity about her and it like reminds him for a second of her flaws yes and like a very serious way because either she's joking and cruel or she's given him an ultimatum he can't accept yeah

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a moment where he's like, you know, I'm not blind who she is, but like I don't know what to do with this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I can marry her if she's like this right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of throws him for a loop and makes him think to himself, oh my god, like, who is this woman and why is she talking to me like this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and Fanny says that it's an effective education and Edmunds, like, yeah, let's pin it on her aunt and uncle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically she's like, she wasn't raised properly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is how she sees the church and this is how she thinks it's okay to conduct herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like that gives her an out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's giving an excuse.

[SPEAKER_00]: in my, like, phanny thinks that that's, she's not trying to contradict what he's saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's just saying that like that's a fact and he, I think, takes it and is like, yeah, it's not her.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's her aunt and uncle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is, this is, and it goes to something phanny even says at the end of the conversation, which is like, she keeps talking to him about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: He'll talk himself out of,

[SPEAKER_00]: seeing her flaws again, which is what he consistently does through the book is like uses phanny as a sounding board to ultimately draw himself back to the inclusion that he's in love with her right and that she's actually fine right and where they are right now when they and their conversation phanny feels like great he's not feeling it with Mary Crawford right now yeah and I'm glad that this conversation ended where it did because I know that he would have ended up

[SPEAKER_00]: back in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: He would have like gone right back around the bend.

[SPEAKER_00]: But she also at some pointyering's conversation, Fanny says, be careful how you talk to me about this because you might say something you regret.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have all been in this position.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where your friend is talking about their significant other.

[SPEAKER_01]: You do not like that significant other.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, I'm going to tread really carefully here, because I don't want to tell you dump him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if I do

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Fanny would not want to be responsible for anything bad happening to Edmund.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also, imagine if she said talked shit about Mary Crawford and then even did a married to her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just bad all around.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when she says that, he takes her hand and kisses it and the

[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, when he does that, he says that he's never going to say something that he regrets because he thinks that it doesn't matter because we're not going to get married anyway at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no chance for me to need to regret anything that I'm saying right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this conversation ends with, like, he's in a bad place with Mary.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Benny, Benny is very happy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's doing her little dance of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the

[SPEAKER_00]: That would only happen because Mary has changed in a way that raises her character the more by the recollection of the faults that she once had.

[SPEAKER_00]: So in comparison, she will be so much better than she is now, like she'll even understand why I had doubts about her exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also is the fan.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's the only person he would ever say this to which is tough I just love that you're a girl who can like listen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're just a you're just a One of the guys you're just like in the like other girl.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're my best friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god

[SPEAKER_01]: It's giving such early Taylor Swift it's painful.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he says that she can attest that he has never been blinded by love because he has always talked openly about his scruples to her, but the thing is that you're right at the end of all of his other conversations with her, he has just bounced off ideas until he's made excuses for Mary Crawford and got him back to being in love with her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically, in these moments, he's using Fannie as a sounding board to kind of like get to the result he wants and his head and Fannie has such similar morals to him that she can kind of like give him like he can do the talk back and forth with her until she agrees with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then once she agrees with him, he's like great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm of sound mind because Fannie has put me at ease.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually a moment of

[SPEAKER_00]: She's had a couple of moments of growth in these chapters.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's a woman now.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's come out, but not in the way you wish.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I have to say that I don't agree with Edmund that he's not blinded by love.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, he's like really, really lack of self-awareness from our guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Edmund's, oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very blinded by love.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Foundly blinded by a tight piece of ass, which we've all been there, Edmund.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: My God, do we actually do need to start a drinking game for every time we're, like, to be fair to Edmund?

[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have to, like, pause.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have to pause.

[SPEAKER_00]: Suck up our breath and be like,

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we wouldn't get that drunk on that drinking game because we don't we aren't fair to admit.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a light glass of wine per episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so he says that he has given up every serious idea of getting married to Mary Crawford, but quote, I must be a blockhead indeed.

[SPEAKER_00]: If whatever befell me, I could think of your kindness

[SPEAKER_00]: gag.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Fanny loves this shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's so in eating it up.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's relieved because it seems like this whole Mary Crawford thing is in a good place for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me whatever you want them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Speak without reserve.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they get interrupted and Fanny's like, that's probably for the best.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we said already.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, she didn't start to actually feel excited for the ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's coming up, Fanny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you have a ball in your honor.

[SPEAKER_01]: William is at the ball and you have to dance with whoever he wants to dance with.

[SPEAKER_01]: She got a necklace from the love of her life and cousin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the love of her life slash cousin is not going for the pretty girl who's the captain of the cheerleading squad and is like sad about it, but actually not not feeling good about that match right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the icing on the cake is that she goes to put the cross on the chain from Miss Crawford and it doesn't fit so she has to wear the other chain.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no But she does decide to wear both jeans because she's like this is this would make Edmund happy I actually think it's a kind of a vibe of a look.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, I was like, yeah, that's Very in style.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[SPEAKER_00]: Then Lady Bertram thinks of Fanny and sends up her own personal handmaid to get Fanny ready for the ball, but of course Fanny is already ready for the ball, but she can't help but think that was a nice gesture.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and that is the end of that chapter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes it is, which brings us to the ball done done done.

[SPEAKER_00]: So ominous for a party.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a party.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So chapter 10.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fanny comes downstairs and her uncle notice is that she looks hot these Bertrims really got a cool down man, but she got hot really fast.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she did.

[SPEAKER_00]: All he says to her is that her dress looks very nice, but then when she leaves the room he starts talking about how beautiful she is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Lady Bertrim is like, well, of course she looks beautiful.

[SPEAKER_00]: I sent Mrs. Chapman up to her.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she is taking credit for Fanny's beauty even though Mrs. Chapman did not help.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Mrs. Norris is like, well, of course she looks beautiful, we've raised her so well, and she was brought up with all the advantages that you and I, Sir Thomas, could have reminded her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we made her boobs ourselves, yeah, you're welcome, universe.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they all sit down, I think, to dinner.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, basically.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Sir Thomas doesn't say anything more, but he does notice the men.

[SPEAKER_00]: at the table, looking at Fanny, and this makes him think that once the ladies of a straw, he will be able to talk about the subject of Fanny's beauty with a bit more success.

[SPEAKER_00]: The men at the table being Henry Crawford and Edmund, I believe so, but no, the Crawford's haven't arrived yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: So is the men just Edmund?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so anyway, Fannie can tell that people are looking at her and the fact that she is aware of her own beauty makes her glow a little bit more and makes her even more beautiful.

[SPEAKER_00]: When Fanny leaves the room, Edmund holds the door open for her, and he tells her that she must dance with him, and he dance, except the first two.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the happiest man he has ever been.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's getting crumbs, and she's feeling great.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I love balls.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this is perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love this for Fanny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she's hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: People are noticing.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's vibing.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's having a good time.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's just great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, I worry.

[SPEAKER_00]: You worry?

[SPEAKER_00]: I worry.

[SPEAKER_00]: You worry because there's still half a book left.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So because she's gotten these crumbs from Edmund, she is able to pass the next half hour without caring about how annoying Mrs. Doris and Lady Bertram are being.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then the gentlemen come and join them and soon they start expecting characters to arrive and everyone is very cheerful and Fanny knows that Edmund must be forcing his cheer a little because of you know the fact that she knows was actually going through his head, but it seems like he is being successful in his cheering us

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the carriage has started arriving and Fanny gets anxious again because suddenly she is surrounded by strangers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's getting introduced to a lot of people and her little introverted self is like, this isn't fun anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go back to my room.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then the grants and the Crawford's arrive and everyone starts to grow more comfortable and Fanny starts to grow more comfortable.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's able to draw back a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: from the toils of civility and be kind of an observer as she usually is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she would be perfectly happy if she could avoid looking at Mary Crawford, but she cannot because there she is and surprise the prize she looks so gorgeous.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's stunning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But suddenly, Henry is in Penafer.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he has engaged her for the first two dances.

[SPEAKER_00]: And boy, and I'm picturing like that scene in Penafer did us where Darcy's like, will you dance with me?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, yes, and then he walks around.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, but today's to say, basically, yes, although we have to remember that our guy fits William Darcy, human disaster, no raise.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And just walks up immediately.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have the first two dances.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I feel like Henry Garford is the opposite of Fitzwilliam Narsey in every way, but Fanny is the opposite of Elizabeth Bennett in every way.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, she truly is.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like the reverse exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so Henry is walking up the ladies.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she's like, uh, yeah, darling.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, can I engage you for the first two dances?

[SPEAKER_01]: And she just goes, that would be very nice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she also said she didn't have, if it weren't for him, she would not have anybody else to dance with.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, which we do not very self-aware, Fanny.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is your ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know that she looks hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, she started to add dinner when she was like with a family.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, so my family, when we hang out together on like a long weekend or something, we like to do like a little like she's in cracker situation.

[SPEAKER_01]: We open a bottle of wine and then we do a nice dinner that we cook together.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a lovely experience.

[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes on those nights like if I've been out like swimming in the lake and like all that and I like get dressed up I'm like well look cute right now feeling myself glass so why very different vibe than when I'm out at like a bar Yeah, and like like around strange men and I feel like fanny is like in her little like oh I look cute at the family dinner I'm having a good time and then when the men arrive she's like oh god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what am I doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't touch me

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: It says that her happiness on this occasion was very much Allamortal and finally checkered.

[SPEAKER_00]: C-H-E-Q-U-E-R-E-D, or C-H-E-C-Q.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I looked up both of those things and I I had these context clues together with this as saying but because Allamortal means literally

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's just bittersweet like the results.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because essentially she's happy to have a partner Because like we said she thought nobody else would ask her and she didn't want to have to scramble for one But at the same time she didn't like the vibes when he asked her there was like a pointed niss to it That she didn't like and he looked at her necklace and smiled and so she's like, oh no He knows that this is the necklace and that was her kind of worst nightmare when she took it

[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of those moments where Jane Austen gives us a peek at the sexuality of the whole situation because what we're seeing here is that Henry Crawford is offering her his hand to dance and he's doing a boob check.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where his mark is on her and his little smile is um, I'm right by your boobs.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, no, I only want Edmund my cousin by my boobs.

[SPEAKER_01]: God.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does Fanny have big boobs?

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the answer is likely not because she's small.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's small.

[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, people are talking about pretty she is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what we know about Regency era aesthetic preferences.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you understand what an empire way stress is doing, bosom is preferable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so to the extent she has any bosoms there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if she has any there being June is busting out all over right up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, June is busting out all over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so she's embarrassed by this whole scenario, but then she's more embarrassed because she thinks that he's watching her be embarrassed.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole interaction is just like sending her up the wall.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she is very relieved when he walks away.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then she's like, okay, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: This is good because I needed a partner to dance with.

[SPEAKER_00]: As everyone's going into the ballroom, she finds herself next to Mary and Mary also does a boob check and clocks the necklace and Fanny explains the whole story because obviously she's wearing two.

[SPEAKER_00]: and she explains the story and similarly to how Edmund got so happy when he found out that Mary Crawford had done the same thing he did, Mary Crawford gets very happy when she finds out that Edmund had the same thought that she did.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of a tangent, but I am so fascinated by what Mary Crawford likes about Edmund Bertram.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't talk about it a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we've discussed canonically hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but there's a lot said about Mary being selfish Mary being materialistic Mary being shallow Mary being ambitious in an unflattering way.

[SPEAKER_01]: What I find really interesting about Mary though is she really likes Edmund.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who's not any of those things except hot except hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is hot, but like the fact that she's just so enamored by the idea that he like brought his cousin a chain.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting that she really like she sees something in Edmund that she likes, which is like, I don't know, is why I can't ever really like truly hate Mary like her love for Edmund is so weird compared to the rest of her character to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, opposites attract.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as they say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like we are led to believe against our better instincts that Edmund is this man of substance.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now Edmund is a man of substance, Edmund is a man of modesty, Edmund is a man who is paying marry the kind of attention that is a bit more serious and stern and they have a real connection.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that Mary likes that over some of these other god-year guys who are more like her brother tells me something about her character that sets her apart from just the stereotype of like this like selfish cold improper girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we also know that she gave Fanny a neck like she had the same thought and gave Fanny a necklace exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she's like, oh my god, twin Z's.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're both out for so thoughtful.

[SPEAKER_00]: But also like was she trying to channel her inner admin bird from there and like is she trying to be more like him in some or is she channeling her inner Henry Crawford there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's the question.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also, is she just trying to impress that meant when trying to be like him, if she is trying to be like him, who's to say, who's to say, whom Stephen?

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, also, this is all coming right after she said she was never going to dance with him again, but of course, that's only if he becomes a clergyman.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, this is really truly like a great encapsulation.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we've talked about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like last week.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, she's in our feelings about Edmund, they keep being like, it's over.

[SPEAKER_01]: But is it over?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's over, but is it over?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like that Katy Perry song.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't think you're hot in Europe.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: The two of them are just kind of like that couple that like keeps having drama over nothing with each other, but also over a lot with each other, but like they act like it's nothing but then it's a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Miss Crawford then looks around like she wants to go complement Edmund on his thoughtfulness to his face, but he's not around.

[SPEAKER_00]: and then Mrs. Grant takes the two of them into the ballroom and Sir Thomas comes up to Fanny and asks her if she has someone to dance with and Fanny tells him that yes she is engaged to Mr. Crawford for the first two dances and Sir Thomas says great let me go get him you guys are to lead the dancing and she says excuse me she says excuse me excuse me not me no she's like I always assumed the Edmund would lead the dancing with Miss Crawford

[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't possibly please don't make me and she would never talk back to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like she has never talked back to him in her life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that she is even saying, please don't make me do this is a sign of her the strength and the strength of her panic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sir Thomas is like you don't really have a choice and shortly she is being led to the top of the room by Mr. Crawford because it's time is happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: She feels like she's being treated like her cousins in this moment and she has guilt that she is taking their place in this room and she's also aware of the fact that she's taking their place with Mr. Crawford who they both had been in love with and she hopes that they would not be jealous of her now but she can't help but think about the last time they were all at a ball together or at a dance together and how different things have, how the turn tables.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yes yes yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: The ball begins, and Fanny is too anxious to really enjoy the dancing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Henry really tries to get her in the mood, and he's trying to like crack jokes and do whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't want people looking at her, but because she is attractive, she is modest, she is Sir Thomas's niece, and she is soon said to be admired by Mr. Crawford.

[SPEAKER_00]: So,

[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is in fact looking at her everyone's like who is this hot young thing?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she is the bell of the ball accidentally and she says no, thank you to Bella of the ball for me She says please stop give me wallflower again, please

[SPEAKER_00]: Sir Thomas is watching her dancing and he feels proud of his niece.

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't attribute her physical beauty to himself like Mrs. Norris does, but he does feel proud because he gave her her education and her manners.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, basically, if you think about it, the way that the British upper class is work in this time period.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sir Thomas took this girl in who had very little education, raised her to not be a lady, but raised her with all the trappings of the British upper crust.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now she can walk into a ball at his home and make him very proud.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which unbeknownst to him is a lot less than his daughters can do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ms Crawford is trying to make herself agreeable to Sir Thomas.

[SPEAKER_00]: So,

[SPEAKER_00]: She decides to go over and compliment Fannie to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then she tries to compliment Fannie to Lady Bertrim, who has slightly less enthusiastic response than Sir Thomas does.

[SPEAKER_01]: Lady Bertrim's response was, oh yeah, because Chapman, she's like, yeah, duh.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Miss Crawford knows that she shouldn't try to compliment Fanny to Mrs. Norris because that's not the way to get in with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: So instead she goes up to Mrs. Norris and she's like, I wish Julia and Mariah were here how I miss them and that makes Mrs. Norris in a good mood.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to talk about why Mary is trying to make herself agreeable to the family.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why would she?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, does she feel like she succeeded in getting admin to reconsider his convictions?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's like a grander societal reason to do it, which is that Sir Thomas is a barren ant.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's good for him to have a good impression of her.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a good connection to have.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then there is just the two of them are courting and they're not courting.

[SPEAKER_01]: right constantly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she does want to have a good impression of her in case things just are out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only person that she does not succeed in pleasing with her flattery of Fanny is Fanny herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's trying to compliment her, but Fanny is kind of just embarrassed and blushing, which Mary takes the wrong way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, maybe you can tell me why Henry is going to town tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: He won't tell me what his business is and he never keeps anything from me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like I've been replaced.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now I have to ask you what he's doing and he's like, why would you have to ask me what he's doing?

[SPEAKER_00]: And what is he doing?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what is he doing in town?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fanny said you look as shocked as Fanny was.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, because

[SPEAKER_00]: Ms. Crawford says it must be just to be able to like hang out with your brother and talk about you I think that's probably close to being correct Actually, oh my god duh, he's she's just hang on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking in this out in real time He wanted to do something nice for William so that Fanny would like him

[SPEAKER_00]: I will neither confirm nor deny.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like now I understand he has no reason to go to town, but he's like, Fanny will love if I make things easier for her brother and introduce him to the admiral.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what's happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: What am I gonna do?

[SPEAKER_01]: Neither confirm nor deny.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fanny has some fun throughout the evening.

[SPEAKER_00]: She has a lot of fun throughout the course of the evening.

[SPEAKER_00]: But none of her fun has to do with Henry's attentions.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, she would rather have him not ask her to dance again, so soon, but he does.

[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is that his attentions are not unpleasant to her.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, quote, unpleasantly given.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is not in delicacy or ostentation in his manners.

[SPEAKER_00]: I.e.

[SPEAKER_00]: he's not grading on her.

[SPEAKER_00]: At no point throughout the evening, is it described as him being annoying or improper?

[SPEAKER_00]: Improper, like it might be unwanted, but not because of what he is saying or doing,

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who he is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and because of who he's not.

[SPEAKER_00]: And because of who he's not exactly her cousin.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not her cousin.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, he talks about William with a warm that gives him credit.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're so right.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is exactly what he's doing and he is trying to like compliment William and do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said it for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're so right, I say to myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: That must be it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Fanny's primary satisfaction in the night comes from seeing how William is enjoying himself and also in looking forward to her two dances with Edmund.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then when she does dance with Edmund.

[SPEAKER_01]: Was it the sexy dance that we get with Mr. Darcy or Mr. Knightley?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, there's no back touching.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is him saying, oh my god, I'm so tired.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can we please just dance in silence?

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, yes, and there's even a line in there that's like the way they dance together.

[SPEAKER_01]: Left no one with any thought that Sir Thomas had raised a wife for his younger son.

[SPEAKER_01]: Precisely, which is just very devastating for our girl fany price.

[SPEAKER_00]: But somehow, Fanny feels like she has been able to be a source of tranquility for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Be his peace, they say.

[SPEAKER_00]: In a cousin leeway.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, be your man's peace in a cousin leeway.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just be your man's cousin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Be your man's cousin.

[SPEAKER_01]: In a way that makes nobody around you think that you do want to bang.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hate everything about this now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're just leaning heavy into the cousin.

[SPEAKER_01]: The more the two of them don't match up romantically in the story.

[SPEAKER_01]: The more we're going to bring up the fact that they're cousins.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, first cousins.

[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, there are some pretty passages when he gives her the gold chain, but it's like.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was beautiful, but then he keeps saying things like, but as my friend.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, as very friends, and which I can't fault him for because she says cousin.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also he doesn't know, he doesn't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: And why would he know?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because once again, there cousins, I know that at this time, people married their cousins all the time, but they were raised as siblings.

[SPEAKER_01]: as we've discussed, as we have discussed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, although some people have pushed back on us against this, then being raised as siblings, because he was gone for so much of their childhood, she was from the age of 10 raised as Mariah and Julia were to him, essentially, in the same house.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, she fell in love with him when he still lived there, and when she was a child, and he was presented to her as her brother.

[SPEAKER_00]: it would have been, but it still would be now in my opinion.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, back to this story.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, remember, y'all, I was shipping this in the beginning.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just changed my mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, so are we still on Team Hanny?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, over Team F.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fendment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I wouldn't be mad if he changed his mind, but just, like, currently.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you wouldn't be mad at team fendment.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's more that, like, right now, team Hanny is compelling you forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like, I support everyone who is team fendment, Fendment.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Fanny can do better.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think that Henry is better.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're just team-fanny.

[SPEAKER_00]: Team, like, she doesn't need to end up with a man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Team-fanny and Mary.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Pragmaticly, I want pragmatically, is that at the wrong word?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, pragmatically means what's the practical match for her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it would honestly be every interesting, because he's very wealthy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Super wealthy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Elevator status gives her good connections to London.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, also, practically, she would be a really good carrot's wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to be a rector.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she'd be a really good rector's wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so laying out where we're at right now, Henry is the richer choice for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: She would be much wealthier with Henry than she would be with Edmund.

[SPEAKER_00]: She would be much happier with Edmund than she would be with Henry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Henry has not yet proven himself to be a good man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, like, there's a couple things, like we can balance the scales, just going up the facts of what's happened in the book so far.

[SPEAKER_01]: The behavior with Mariah and Julia,

[SPEAKER_01]: was bad behavior and actually seriously endangered Mariah's reputation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is really what holds Fanny back from Henry as a general matter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's complicated for her because she's like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the kind of man who would be a bad husband, a bad guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't want to tell anybody about it because

[SPEAKER_01]: As you remember, Maria was white, engaged, and people didn't notice, and it would be really bad if they did notice or for her to tell on Maria in that circumstance.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, Henry has since he came back to Mansfield Park, proven to be a very pleasant companion, and more importantly, has shown great affection for her brother, who is to find the most important person in her life.

[SPEAKER_01]: even more so than her cousin crush.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where Henry lies.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's he pragmatically.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why Sir Thomas is into this match.

[SPEAKER_01]: Pragmatically, what a find for a little fany price from Portsmouth.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there are risks to having a husband like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then what are the pros and cons of Edmund?

[SPEAKER_01]: Pros of Edmund is that it's proper.

[SPEAKER_01]: It seems right by the standards.

[SPEAKER_01]: They liked cousin marrying in that time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's Jane Austen.

[SPEAKER_01]: The cousins will marry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and he might not be a wealthy match, but he is certainly a secure match.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's bad about Edmund as a match right now is that Edmund has not shown any reason why he would want to be matched with her other than respecting her as a person.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's loved with somebody else.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And her family has shown a desperate pattern of undervaluing, fanny, including in some instances, Edmund himself.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the morals that he's sort of forced upon her are ones that he's sort of like playing fast and loose with himself.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Henry and Edmund are both quote suitors right now in Fanny's situation.

[SPEAKER_01]: One is once she wants desperately.

[SPEAKER_01]: The other is chasing her without her desire to reciprocate.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the one that she wants desperately has no interest.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's he's in love with somebody else.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And has anyone considered marrying her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that is like the balancing act we have here pragmatically, romantically we know

[SPEAKER_01]: romantically, we read this book and we're like, well, pragmatically, it's a tougher call because Henry is the more economic match, but he's also the riskier match of the two.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's also not serious about it at this time, that we know of, yeah, that we know of, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Edmund and Danny have danced.

[SPEAKER_00]: Edmund is not having fun at this party.

[SPEAKER_01]: He and Miss Crawford fought again, being in a dramatic fight with your significant other at a party.

[SPEAKER_00]: The worst drama, the worst.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fanny had seen enough of their fight to be tolerably satisfied and she feels bad that she's happy that Edmund is suffering, but also she cannot help it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I once again invoked Taylor circle like 2008.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like this is so you belong with me tear drops on my guitar coded.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, tear drops on my guitar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, it's perfect.

[SPEAKER_00]: After she dances with Edmund, she feels like, all right, I'm done with dancing, I'm tired, and Sir Thomas sees her struggling and tells her to sit down.

[SPEAKER_00]: So at this point, Henry Harper also sits down.

[SPEAKER_00]: William comes over to her and is like, oh my god, why are you so tired?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so early.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so Thomas is like, it's 3 a.m. And then he doesn't go out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's your reaction when you read that it was 3 a.m.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like wait, this makes a lot of sense because I'm always like imagining that it's 8 p.m. at these parties, but they rage.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like in every film adaptation that we've seen of like pride and prejudice, for example, the benefits are always like rolling home as the sun goes up.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that makes a lot of sense now that the party is just go until whenever.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that Fanny made it till three.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good for her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I certainly couldn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, never couldn't be me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I I rained in the new year this year in my bed because here me out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was in California.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's three hours behind and when I hit midnight, it felt like three in the morning.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Mike and I were like, that's really trying to stay awake.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we were like looking at our phone like three, two, one, and then we put down the phone and just went to see something incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: William is like, okay, if you're really tired, you shouldn't get up early tomorrow to send me off.

[SPEAKER_00]: My new early is he is leaving at 930, which is pretty reasonable time to get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she wants to get up for breakfast, which is a whole do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Sir Thomas is like, obviously she's not getting up to see you off like you're leaving at 930.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Fanny's like, no, I must get up to have breakfast with William.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the second time she's

[SPEAKER_00]: to Sir Thomas.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not, I mean, talk back.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like stood up for herself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And eventually, Sir Thomas says, okay, fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do what you want.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Fanny's like, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Henry says, you know, yeah, I'm coming at 930 and I'll be right on time because I don't have a kind sister getting up for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be all by myself.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a baby.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just a baby of having breakfast all by myself and so Thomas is like, oh, you should have breakfast with us.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Penny's like, God damn it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just wanted to have a morning alone with my brother before he goes off to see.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now Henry Crawford's gonna be there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But meanwhile, so Thomas is like,

[SPEAKER_00]: I've done it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've secured her another day with her man like he thinks that he's he thinks he is like a little matchmaker this is really great in the context of like what he said last chapter which is like it would be so little and so gauche for him to be pushing this match and here he is being like he yeah that's why I mean today was the the now kiss now kissed dogs yeah he thinks that this

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, this is my doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm such a good matchmaker.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm Emma Woodhouse.

[SPEAKER_00]: You guys guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: So shortly after this, Sir Thomas advises Fannie to go to bed and she leaves.

[SPEAKER_00]: She gets to the doorway and she turns

[SPEAKER_00]: And she looks over the ball, quote, like the lady of Branson Hall, one moment and no more.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like she stops in the doorway and looks over and I can't find anything about Branson Hall, but there is like an essay on any surveying the scene, like the lady of Branson Hall, which I couldn't read because spoilers, but

[SPEAKER_00]: Essentially, she takes a moment to feel like the lady of the hour and look at this ball that is for her is what I read into that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she leaves.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she goes upstairs and she is feverish with hopes and fears, soup and naegu, which are standard ball fair of creamy soup and a hot wine drink.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this has been mentioned before because I googled it and I was like, wait, the sounds familiar.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, they drank, they ate crazy stuff back then.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, creamy soup isn't that weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess not, but is there anything in the creamy soup like a cream of broccoli soup?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it's just a creamy cream soup.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, she is also sore-footed and fatigued, restless, and agitated yet feeling in spite of everything that a ball was indeed delightful.

[SPEAKER_00]: so we have converted Fanny to balls.

[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Sir Thomas wasn't only thinking of Fanny's health when he sent her upstairs.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was also thinking that, quote, Mr. Crawford had been sitting by her long enough, or he might mean to recommend her as a wife by showing her persuadableness.

[SPEAKER_01]: What does he mean there?

[SPEAKER_01]: He's basically showing off Fanny's better attributes in one of them being that she's planned.

[SPEAKER_01]: What a good quality in a way.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's such a good matchmaker.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to make sure that I was reading that right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Austen is very funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: She is hilarious.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the end of those chapters.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that brings us to the study questions now.

[SPEAKER_01]: You guys listeners.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the moment where Molly has to come clean.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to wear the cone of shame.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a cone of shame here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wearing a cone of shame so you can picture me with my cone of shame.

[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot to post the study question submissions for this set of chapters.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we do not have page and study questions this week.

[SPEAKER_01]: Apologies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry, but next episode we can have you like you'll hear all of our study questions for this episode and then please ask us questions that we may have missed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then shame me, but also do it in a nice way or I'll cry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Be nice to Molly.

[SPEAKER_01]: She would did it by accident.

[SPEAKER_01]: She loved you guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love you so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but instead we're just going to be back to study questions.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what is all's doing in the comparison between the Mary necklace and the Edmund chain?

[SPEAKER_01]: The angel hair and the bookotini, if you will.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the Edmund chain, there's a couple of things just to throw out some ideas.

[SPEAKER_00]: Edmund preemptively thought to get her this chain.

[SPEAKER_00]: Without regard to the ball, I think he ordered it before the ball even was happening and he just wanted her to have it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like a kind thought on his part, meanwhile the Mary chain only came to be well, it came to be because she wanted her to have something to wear.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess she was going she was doing it unprompted.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I guess that's actually not really a difference.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say like she only came up with it because

[SPEAKER_00]: But really, it's that the Mary necklace is more a Henry necklace, whether or not the directive came from Henry to give it to Fanny, though I kind of feel like it did at this point because he clocked it and didn't say anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yeah, the Mary necklace is really a Henry necklace and the Edmund necklace is an Edmund necklace and the Edmund necklace fits the whole.

[SPEAKER_01]: But.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kegity.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry everybody, um, but the and the Mary necklace does not and she ends up having to wear both necklaces to have both men next to her heart or next to her boobs and

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of them clocks it because it's next to her boobs and Edmund actually didn't say anything about her necklaces.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he wouldn't have been staring at her boobs.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a gentleman and her cousin.

[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, yeah, just like it just puts the two men against each other really.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it truly like each each necklace that embodies the man itself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the Mary necklace, which is the Henry necklace is gotty, gotty, expensive, doesn't fit, doesn't fit, and is uneasily taken.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Edmund one is simple, so deheritased, makes her happy and fits perfectly with her cross.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a gift that was purchased just for her, and it wasn't re-gifted.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no games about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just comes to her as token of affection.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just placing that there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: A token of affection from one of her oldest friends, cousin friend.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But taking cousin out of it, if he wasn't her cousin, I would actually be really shipping it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I want to just say that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like pull the cousin out of it for a second with Edmund.

[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, everyone take a drink.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be fair to Edmund Bertram for a second, pull the cousin out of it and just like the idea that there's a friend of hers who doesn't necessarily see her in a romantic life but has given her a gift that she feels so suits her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that if he were just her good friend like just her best friend, that would that what moment of work for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and he would be so much dumber because there would be no excuses for him not knowing that she's in love with him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not saying that men and women can't be a post-honic best friends.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have many close male friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm saying that in this case, one of my dearest friends on this earth is a straight man.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're very close.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very close to his wife, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to tell you this.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has never given me a necklace and I would feel very weird if he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but my gozons have given me necklaces and I don't feel weird about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess yeah, the the gifting of the necklaces quite quite thoughtful and it's sweet and it's so suited to fanny it's and he thought of her tastes and he ordered it just because he knew she had a cross without a chain and he ordered her a chain much like the horse

[SPEAKER_00]: What is going on with this man?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just stressed.

[SPEAKER_01]: And since this Edmund Bertram is stressing you out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So to go to things that make us go, oh, about Edmund, how have his predictions of Mary changed from the beginning of the book to now?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at the beginning of the book, every single conversation ended with him being like, but like, you see her this way, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: But, but didn't you see this other thing that she did that was good?

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, doesn't that kind of counteract it?

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, oh, yeah, you're, you're so right, man, she's great, actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like, he always talks himself out of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now, he's noting things that can't be reconciled by talking himself out of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like when he first was getting to know her, he was so drawn to her and the flaws he saw were much more apparent to him but seemed more harmless to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because it's like, it is what it is, but the flaws are becoming worse and worse and now they're like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's a high stakes situation for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's like art is she going to marry you or not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is she in love?

[SPEAKER_01]: He's love with her is she going to accept my proposal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can I have her as a wife?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when she's like this.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the agony of her flaws is becoming more intense.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it is harder for him to brush it off as easily as he did before.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, tough.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tough luck.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is my favorite question.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have Fanny is now out.

[SPEAKER_01]: How does the sequence change this book?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's like, she's a little lady now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's a Jane Austen heroine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she's not just like, oh, she's kind of hot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she is a woman.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's botmits, but essentially.

[SPEAKER_00]: This was her botmits, I realized she is 18.

[SPEAKER_00]: But she is now a woman who, I mean, is it right to say that once a woman comes out there

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's why you introduce a woman's society right so now now she is fair game she is fair game she is fair game and she's also like before this she was that 10 year old little girl and the house terrified lost.

[SPEAKER_01]: kind of trying to find her way.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were still there with her at the beginning of this year in the book.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now she's a woman.

[SPEAKER_01]: She is commanding the presence in Mansfield Park, which is something that her cousins have even done.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like Ryan Julia did not come out at a ball at Mansfield.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: This ball that Danny gets puts her at the center of society.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's going to start catching the eyes of gentleman and potentially her cousin.

[SPEAKER_00]: Her cousin friend, her cousin friend who is currently in a bit of a tough spot with his woman and my turn his eyes elsewhere and just like be surprised to see what he finds there, but will it be too late?

[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?

[SPEAKER_01]: Who's to say?

[SPEAKER_01]: I also just was going to say that at this point I said she's a Jane Austen hero and now it feels more at this point we haven't talked about this this book so not Jane Austenie this set of chapters feels like Jane Austen novel in like the most traditional sense there's a ball there's witty repartei there's romance there's complications with the romance people having feelings people having sexual tension it's the lightful

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you make a fannings characterization of Henry and his courting?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think you're softening on him?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that on the one hand, there was that whole bit where she was like, it's not unagreable or not unpleasant.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not unpleasantly done.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just unpleasant to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she can acknowledge that it's just the fact that she doesn't want him to be

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that she's still uncomfortable about it and like she clocked him checking out her boobs and he was like a fun dance partner but not for Fanny but not for Fanny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she's

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been sobbed.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're mushy for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, like the biggest, like, do I think that he's a good guy, like, no, but I also don't think he's a bad guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a disaster human.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a, he's a naughty boy.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's naughty.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's complicated.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's pretty straight forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's pretty straight forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: No man.

[SPEAKER_01]: We know this guy Over and over again in in this time period and the Jane Austen time period.

[SPEAKER_01]: He is very he is transparent.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and I wouldn't necessarily go for him for a husband, but

[SPEAKER_00]: where I, in college and I met him at a party, for sure, like I would have a crush on him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: You really would.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't figured out yet, my taste in men in college was terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like it comes up way too often at least in this book.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's easier, your reference point for being courted by men is like back to college, because since then it's been a like a line of lovely ladies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do we think this is the end of Mary and Edmund?

[SPEAKER_00]: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[SPEAKER_00]: Huh, I suppose all of the signs do actually point to it being over because like from panties perspective, she was like, don't keep talking your heels, talk yourself into liking her again.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he did say that he had given up all hope, all reasonable hope of marrying her.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it still seemed like he was holding out for a little unreasonable.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a little unreasonable hope.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also Mary was so happy when she found out that he had gotten Fanny a chain.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there was still like they were still interested in what the other person was doing, but they did fight at the ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm looking back at the whole thing in another light and wondering if it's over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't think it's going to be over until he proposes and is rejected.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if that's what happened tonight.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if we might get a flashback.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or like, uh, here's what happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what you missed on Glee.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what you missed on Glee.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll leave it at that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Funniest quote.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this part was funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is just after Fanny has been like, I'm going to get over Edmund.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be so rational.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be great.

[SPEAKER_00]: She had all the heroism of principle and was determined to do her duty.

[SPEAKER_00]: But having also many of the feelings of youth and nature, let her not be much wondered at it.

[SPEAKER_00]: After making all these good resolutions on the side of self-government, she seized the scrap of paper on which Edmund had begun writing to her as the treasure began all her hopes and reading with the tenorist emotion in these words.

[SPEAKER_00]: My dear Fanny, you must do me the favor to accept, and quote, locked it up with the chain as the dearest part of the gift.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Fanny is at the end of the day at teenage girls.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's a huge girl.

[SPEAKER_01]: Big old crush on our cousin.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, two lines more prize to never fall in for the pen of the most distinguished author.

[SPEAKER_00]: Never more completely blessed the researchers of the fondest biographer of the enthusiasm of women's love is beyond the biographers to her the handwriting itself independent of anything it making by as a blessedness.

[SPEAKER_00]: Disgusting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Corny on Maine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, questions moving forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the end of Marion Edmender?

[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to, is he going to still propose?

[SPEAKER_00]: What will come of this car ride with Henry and William?

[SPEAKER_00]: What will he say to William?

[SPEAKER_00]: Will he ask for William's permission to marry?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're there yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: That would be weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are my two major questions.

[SPEAKER_01]: who wins the chapters.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fanny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely Fanny this time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she came out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Her cousin crush is fighting with his girl.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, she came out in society and was super pretty.

[SPEAKER_01]: She got to wear the actual change she wanted to the ball.

[SPEAKER_01]: She stayed at all night partying and got to stay at all night partying with her brother.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she even tolerated Henry Crawford flirting.

[SPEAKER_01]: couple chapters for Fanny.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she stood up to Sir Thomas twice twice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, listeners.

[SPEAKER_01]: That concludes this episode of Pot and Pregidas.

[SPEAKER_01]: For next time, we're going to read the next two chapters of Mansfield Park.

[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be volume the second chapters 11 and 12.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or if your book is not volume, it'll be chapters 29 and 30.

[SPEAKER_01]: Moll you excited?

[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then until next time, stay proper.

[SPEAKER_00]: And where to necklaces?

[SPEAKER_00]: Where are necklaces from each of your suitors?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do it.

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