Mansfield Park Volume 3 Chapters 2-3
Henry Crawford perseveres, despite Fanny's repeated rejections, and the aunts learn about the proposal. Edmund returns, and he has opinions about the proposal as well. Henry reads some Shakespeare aloud, and Fanny thinks it's hot.
Topics discussed gray morality, growing out of being Team Jess, Sir Wobbles's gender, surprise proposals, Shakespeare as a part of English society, and actions speaking louder than words.
Patron Study Questions come from Avi and Angelika. Topics discussed include Lady Bertram's offer of a puppy for Fanny, gender-neutral icon Mx. Wobbles, the significance of Henry VIII, and Edmund's behavior after finding out about Henry's proposal.
Becca's Study Questions: Topics discussed include the aunts' response to the proposal, Fanny's enjoyment of Henry's acting, and what Henry means about his actions speaking for him.
Funniest Quote: Lady Bertram took it differently. She had been a beauty, and a prosperous beauty, all her life; and beauty and wealth were all that excited her respect. To know Fanny to be sought in marriage by a man of fortune, raised her, therefore, very much in her opinion. By convincing her that Fanny was very pretty, which she had been doubting about before, and that she would be advantageously married, it made her feel a sort of credit in calling her niece.
"Well, Fanny, I have had a very agreeable surprise this morning. I must just speak of it once, I told Sir Thomas I must once, and then I shall have done. I give you joy, my dear niece.” And looking at her complacently, she added, “Humph, we certainly are a handsome family!”
Questions moving forward: Will something happen with Julia? Will Henry go away? Will he prove himself?
Who wins the chapters? Lady Bertram and Mx. Wobbles
Glossary of Terms and Phrases:
importunity (n): persistence, especially to the point of annoyance.
Glossary of People, Places, and Things: Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Schitt's Creek, The Good Place, Gilmore Girls, Henry VIII, The Thing About Austen
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[SPEAKER_02]: you
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Becca.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Molly.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are here to talk about Jane Austen.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are here specifically to talk about non-sfield park.
[SPEAKER_03]: Listeners, if you're new here, I Becca have read many Jane Austen novels through my lifetime.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm Molly, I'm reading all of her works for the first time through this podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to hear Molly read through Pride and Pregidas since in sensibility, Emma, or persuasion for the first time, you can listen to seasons 1, 2, 3, or 4 of this podcast respectively, but that is not what we're doing here today.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, and the sirens really have something to say about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that they know it's not what we're doing here today.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, today we are talking about volume three chapters two and three of Mansfield Park.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bitch is back.
[SPEAKER_03]: The bitch is back I don't know if I mean I don't know if I can refer to Edmund Bertrim that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's too much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because he's not cool enough for that No, and also like he's not intentionally a bitch.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's more of a The flop is back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is a flop
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a wet rag, but I'm going to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm starting to like, I mean, okay, I've said this like 17 times, but I feel like I'm starting to see where this is headed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, say it, and I'm just going to keep neutral face.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like in defense of Fanny, there are moments where he's like, yes, and Fanny is totally worth the love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, of course, she's the best thing since sliced bread, and I feel like the more
[SPEAKER_02]: protective.
[SPEAKER_02]: He might get over her with anything happening with Henry Crawford, which I have predictions about.
[SPEAKER_02]: He might get protective over her and realize that he's loved her all along.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will neither confirm to deny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: But right now, does that make you team Edmund?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not team Edmund.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying that I think that might be where it's headed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So before we dive into hard on those theories, we are going to recap what we
[SPEAKER_03]: So what we read last week or last episode, I should say not last week, we had that scene between Sir Thomas and Fanny.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I got up on my little feminist soapbox and yelled.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, pretty loud.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Fanny was left feeling like maybe they would end up on the same page eventually.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Sir Thomas was left feeling like he had room to convince Fanny.
[SPEAKER_03]: They both thought they might end up on the same page, but they both thought they might be able to convince the other one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, their position.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, but we forgot the last thing that happened was fan he was called in and the fire was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: even before that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I mean, after that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we ended up on the cliffhanger.
[SPEAKER_02]: We ended up cliffhanger.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was called in to her own girl's office only to find Henry there alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, done, done, done, done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which I feel like was a trap on Sir Thomas's part.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, you stay here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh go go go get her.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's so bad there's something in this him being like oh I'm not going to get involved I'm not going to get involved and then he gets involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes he loves to get involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this conversation between Fanny and Henry is longer and less conclusive than Fanny had been hoping because she was like I'm getting in there I'm telling him I don't love him and I'm getting out of there but Henry will not take no for an answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: No he will not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's basically what this whole chapter is about.
[SPEAKER_02]: He continues to persevere.
[SPEAKER_02]: His vanity, which I have called out many a time, tells him that Fanny loves him and doesn't know her own feelings.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when he finally is forced to concede that in fact, she does know her own feelings.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you know your feelings right now, but I think I can convince you to love me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just you wait, just you wait, I'm so tempting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you heard I have hot energy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the thing is like he still does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's unfortunate.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is super in love.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he puts her love up on a pedestal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's like, if I can win her affections, they will be better than anything that I could have imagined.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's borderline treating Fanny as a redemption arc for himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is 100% treating the eyes, or I'm sure, and he's like, this shit's going to fix everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I can get someone like Fanny to love me, then I am healed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that always works out so well for everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's determined to force her to love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a quote, by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yikes, yikes, and Dikes!
[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, he does not suspect that she might be in love with someone else.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody does.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, she's giving Anne Elliott a real run for her money in the whole hiding your feelings situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: She really is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Same with Ellen or Dashwood.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing about Fanny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that I wonder if she is really good at hiding her feelings or if everyone around her is kind of dumb that is an excellent question and I don't think that there's a clear answer to yeah because we're just damning in my mind there have been so many times where like she blushes at exactly the moment that would indict her indict her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think give give up her game exactly for being in love with Edmund, but nobody everyone has this idea of who she is in her in their heads like she's this innocent little child who has never had a sexual thought or feeling in her life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like a kids sister to Edmund.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like they just don't read into it properly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of my gauge on that and that's exactly what Henry thinks.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, well, she's just like naive and young and has never, she doesn't understand what I'm getting at because she's never had this happen to her before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because she's so innocent.
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, once she understands, he will succeed in whenever she sees how hot my energy is.
[SPEAKER_03]: She will not be able to
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so certain that he doesn't even mind that she isn't in love with him right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a quote, he had been apt to gain hearts too easily.
[SPEAKER_02]: His situation was new and animating.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's thrilled that she doesn't love him yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a challenge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, boys do love a challenge it seems.
[SPEAKER_02]: They sure do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fanny, meanwhile, cannot understand why he's still talking about this when she has been so clear about her feelings.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has told him, I do not love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never will love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please stop asking me to love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: This conversation is very unpleasant to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: She explains that they are just two different at a fundamental level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their principles are two different.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he disagrees.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, there's nothing in our characters that could prevent us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, you don't understand, see, I know what I'm a piece of shit, but you are so lovely that I will stop, cease to be a piece of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing about it is that the disconnect is stemming from her mannerisms.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the way that she is, she's so gentle with the way she lets him down, that it conceals the sternness of her denial of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the way she's talking makes it seem like her indifference is self-denial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she is hurt as much by this.
[SPEAKER_03]: as he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which, on one hand, I get because Fanny is very bad at conveying her feelings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but the larger part of me is like, she said, no, she said no, of course I said no.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know that, but I guess from his perspective,
[SPEAKER_02]: not to defend this, but from his perspective, he thinks that she's saying I wish I could.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think we both can acknowledge that Henry Crawford is a problematic hot boy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You were allowed to engage with him being hot and also be like this is really problematic.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really problematic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but is there a world in which?
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone would say I wish I could love you and mean it versus fan you saying Saying it in like a a way to soften the blow.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we're gonna be fair to Henry and I'm not trying to be fair to him I'm just saying that I'm trying to see what's happening and how it's happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think there is like a Truth thing in the world where it is oh sometimes difficult to read another person
[SPEAKER_03]: and not be sure how your advances are being received.
[SPEAKER_03]: That being said, if the no is there, and if she said no like 17 times, then you got to back off my guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to give up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: At a certain point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the problem with this particular book is that it's not just him persevering.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's literally every single person around me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, it goes to the is Henry Crawford the point right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: One could say he is not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's part of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's definitely part of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think like I was just teasing Jane Austen for how she wrote this novel as we started this podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I actually think that Henry is a brilliance on her part because
[SPEAKER_03]: You will in the same breath find people's finding his behavior Apparent and his behavior romantic here in sort of different measures And like you the people who want to believe that Henry can change and the people who think he's a piece of shit in this moment Like he is a conflicting character to read because I don't like his actions, but I am charmed by him
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that is like a very specific character type that is very, very difficult to pull off others have tried and failed and it can skywalker.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you could say it say a lot of bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, no, I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, Graham, by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, no, Graham Graham where he's gonna edit this entirely, but Graham I have to tell you again, we're going to this this is not even in the top three star Where's maybe he's gonna edit it to be like revenge of the set is the top three is the top three Yeah, it's all three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's just gonna click that part.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway Dear listeners
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to formally apologize to the language used by one of the host's bottom prejudice in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Becca made the claim that Star Wars Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith, is, quote, not even in the top three Star Wars movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: While I do not condone or approve of the hateful misinformation she is spreading, I do believe that she has a right to say it, and I will not humorously edit her voice to correct her lies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Becca, while she is a brilliant and well-read woman, is allowed to be wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgive her for anything she has said about my favorite Star Wars movie, and the two of us will have to learn how to move past these artistic differences in future episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: sincerely, producer Graham.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, all I got to say is that Anakin Skywalker, if you look at the prequel series, he is meant to be balancing this intense charm with a real darkness inside, but he's not ridden perfectly, so it just comes off as a whitey brat, whereas I feel like Henry Crawford is doing something different, what's another good example of this?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to use any other examples because I don't want to like spoil things with how things like turn out in this book.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really genuinely think that I feel like like I'm just thinking about shit's Creek.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Alexis is a good example.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fantastic example as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's got a really good heart and she's super charming, but she also is
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of a bad person.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's like, again, Eleanor Shell Strop in the good place.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is a great example.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there is a gray to Henry as you read him that isn't present in like a Wickham, or a willowy or what's his fucking face from persuasion, Mr. Elliot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was charming, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do recall.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did know if I'm him charming at all, but that is a different
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I want to be, I want to make something clear at this point in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: These chapters made it clear to me that he's a piece of shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is being a garbage person right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's being so bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that any sort of conversation about the controversies of Henry Crawford's character that gives you an answer on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: is a little bit of a spoiler.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, part of what's brilliant about this part in the book is the stickiness and the darkness that exists coinciding with his desires to be better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yet, I continue to be charmed by him.
[SPEAKER_03]: The hot energy is very intense.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is one of those things that gives you respect for Fanny for not falling for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's been also, it's one of those things
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not Team Jess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that Jess is the best choice for Rory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I think that Jess is the hottest of the three men?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when I was watching Gilmour Girls for the first time, yeah, I was Team Jess quote-unquote, but I have to realize as an adult that does make Edmund Dean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and then we haven't we don't really have a Logan, but I'm team Logan, and we've talked about this before in our listeners know I'm team Logan, and also like I also do find Logan to be an attractive man, and I like like his storyline, but Jess is not the best choice for Vory.
[SPEAKER_02]: He might be the best choice for you, dear listener, and for me, like I'm like, oh yeah, I think that Henry Crawford is hot, but he is not the best choice for
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially right now where she's made it clear how she feels and the way he's still pursuing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like polimistered RC and say, if your feelings are still what they were last April, I'll shut up forever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then just like, you know, actions, actions, which we're going to talk about actions.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about conduct.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Con.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got just put her hands on the table and leaned forward very.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an audio medium,
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I wanted to read something from this because it felt important.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it's about how Mr. Crawford has done on 180 in Fanny's view.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Despite the fact that she is currently still saying no to him, she recognizes this about him that I want to read.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this, yeah, this passage goes alongside his
[SPEAKER_03]: adamant behavior that is making her miserable right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Crawford was no longer the Mr. Crawford who, as the clandestine and cityist, treacherous admirer of Mariah Bertram, had been her importance, whom she had hated to see or to speak to, in whom she could believe no good quality to exist, and whose power, even of being agreeable, she had barely acknowledged.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was now the Mr. Crawford who was addressing
[SPEAKER_02]: whose feelings were apparently become all that was honorable and upright, whose views of happiness were all fixed on a marriage of attachment, who was pouring out his sense of her merits, describing and describing again his affection, proving as far as words could prove it, and in the language tone and spirit of a man of talent too, that he sought her for her gentleness and her goodness, and to complete the whole, he was now the Mr. Crawford who had procured Williams promotion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so she's like, he has, in fact, done a 180.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has become a completely different person before her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Her question is, is he so fundamentally the person who did lovers' vows and was flirting with my engaged cousin the entire time?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is he more fundamentally the person who got William's promotion and is telling me down right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The only thing in this life that will make him happy is my hand and marriage when I can offer him nothing except my own self.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good question.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's the question.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is the question.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the question of the book.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have an answer right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: You shouldn't have an answer right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because he has done such a 180, she feels like she needs to treat him differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she can't treat him with disdain.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has to treat him more
[SPEAKER_02]: compassionately act grateful for what he is bestowing upon her with his love being like oh you honor me with this but i cannot accept et cetera which is just bad it would be better if she were mean exactly exactly which like other characters could be what it'd be better if she were mean because i feel like Henry would kind of like that too oh no
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he would he would like it, but maybe he would take her more seriously because right now He's hearing like, oh, you honor me and he's like, oh, so I have a chance He's he's hearing like, oh, so I can possibly yeah exactly, which is the same that in the last chapter Sir Thomas
[SPEAKER_03]: he latched onto that one thing that she said, which is really important, I think, because the the outward appearance of Fanny as timid and seemingly pliable when she does have convictions, and she stands by the most of the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, all of the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: it might be what we would call a character to finding trade-off ending.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they just completely misunderstand it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because she's what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Quiet and poor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and sweet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and as a more scared little girl, it wreaks of sexism and it wreaks of classism and it wreaks of everything that you could possibly think of where they're under estimating who she is as a person into meeting her intelligence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, back on the soapbox.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this, oh, I'm in Man's Field Park.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty overt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we get a backing track for that, Graham?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, Grammar, can we make a little song?
[SPEAKER_03]: Feminism and Mansfield Park.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a beautiful time to discuss the patriarchy when you live with your conservative uncle and some pieces should do.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's trying to nab you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Feminism in Mansfield Park.
[SPEAKER_03]: With Classism.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what just happened there, but we'll have to move on from it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we're moving on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so he leaves and she notes that he does not seem sad enough like she just like my message did not get through and this makes her mad and in the same breath that she was just like he's done such a 180 she's like I hate this man This is like his former self he is being selfish and ungenerous and even if I wasn't in love with another man I could never love him
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's interesting how she hates him the most when he's not in the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as he comes in, he works as Charm on her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, you've changed and I'm really sorry, but I can then love you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she leaves and she's like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she notes that, quote, how evidently was there a gross want of feeling and humanity where his own pleasure was concerned.
[SPEAKER_02]: This man thinks only about himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she sits over her luxurious fire thinking about how much she doesn't deserve this luxurious fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the next day, Sir Thomas gets the full run down from Henry.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while he is bummed that Fanny didn't immediately change her mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is glad to see that Henry is still trying, which, like I said, every single person in this book besides Penny feels, oh, and maybe Mrs. Morris, but we'll get to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a fun moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sir Thomas says that he'll help Henry and whatever way he can and he believes that all of Fanny's relations will feel exactly as he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like that's foreshadowing that they will not starting with Mrs. Norris, but maybe also Mariah and Julia.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he gives Henry all the encouragement that he can and they part the best of friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: He decides that he's going to avoid further importunity with Fanny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that he thinks that Henry is in a good spot, importunity, meaning the act of persistently, forcefully, or annoyingly, begging for something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's gonna leave Fanny alone about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He decides that based on her disposition, kindness is the best way forward, basically, if I yell at her, she'll continue to just cry.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes and he tells her that he's learned where she and Henry stand and he wants her to know that she has created.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has created also by the way, like she didn't do anything to create this attachment, but
[SPEAKER_02]: she has created a very uncommon attachment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Henry is an extraordinary man and being that Fanny is so unaccustomed to the world of love.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't realize how unusual it is for someone to persevere like this when you're telling them no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might say she should be grateful considering her position and the nature of this offer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he says, of course, Henry is persevering because it's you, he's in love with and he's made such a good choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Fanny's like, well, I am very honored that he loves me, but I, once again, do not and will not love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just goes deaf after, oh, I am very honored that he loves me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Sir Thomas is like, listen, listen, you don't need to explain yourself to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know how you feel, wink, wink.
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand the girls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one with the women.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, let's just put this topic to bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: We won't talk about it again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only care about your happiness.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to try to convince you to love someone you don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're going to have to put up with Henry's efforts to convince you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You will have to see him whenever he calls.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've told him he can call whenever he wants.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he leaves really soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it won't be like too often.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, yes, he's leaving.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's
[SPEAKER_02]: She is also grateful for her uncle's kindness and trying to put this to rest But she knows that he doesn't know that she's in love with someone else as we've established no one does So of course she thinks that that explains this course of action that he's taking She's like if he knew I was in love with someone else he probably wouldn't continue to push me to be with Henry
[SPEAKER_02]: but he doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she doesn't want to fight him on it because quote, he who had married a daughter to Mr. Rushworth romantic delicacy was certainly not to be expected from him, which is what we discussed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although he did give Morayan out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did not give that to Fanny.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: She still thinks that Henry's going to give up in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just doesn't know how much time it's going to take.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how long she will be enough to tempt him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Essentially, like when her beauty dies, will he leave her alone?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sir Thomas does mention it one more time, despite saying he's never going to mention it again, just to warn her that he is going to tell her ants.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he would have avoided it, but Mr. Crawford really wanted to tell everyone so that he could have more witnesses to his conquest, essentially.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we talked about this little.
[SPEAKER_03]: You were like, is Henry going to want people to know about this
[SPEAKER_03]: Hell yeah, Henry is so convinced that he's going to win her that he wants everyone there on the sidelines cheering for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he's like everyone's going to witness that this woman is going to fall in love with me and it's going to fix everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you're so right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he wants everyone to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it feels slimy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we tell Mrs. Norris, she actually does promise not to talk about this with Fanny.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just glares at her and Fanny and Sir Thomas are both like, at least she's not yelling at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is she's angry at Fanny not for refusing, but for receiving such an offer in the first place.
[SPEAKER_03]: She thinks this should have gone to Julia and she's pissed that Fanny got a better offer.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Julia's gotten because she didn't have a hand in raising Fanny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and because she's been trying to spend her entire life pushing Fanny down exactly, and Lady Bertram is like, oh, Fanny is very pretty.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is my fave.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are my favorite passages in the book?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that Lady Bertram?
[SPEAKER_03]: Learns that Fanny got a good marriage proposal, and it changes her whole perspective on Fanny as a person.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's like, she's a beautiful young lady.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, oh, I must have missed it, but she's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, Fanny's beautiful, then then I have to start respecting her more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if Fanny's going to have a good match, my goodness, that's just tremendous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she gets Fanny alone and she says, listen, I promise I wouldn't talk about it, but congratulations.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm being beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, I must congratulate you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We certainly are a handsome family.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then fan he's like, well, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't want me to marry because you wouldn't miss me too much, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, oh, if you were leaving me to be hot with a rich man, I would have no problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, she says it is actually a young lady's obligation to say yes to a proposal to someone like Henry Crawford.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the first time she's ever given Fannie anything like advice which struts Fannie right on yeah Fannie's like oh shit if she thinks that enough to say it she's not gonna have her mind change so I'm just gonna Be quiet on this and Lady Bertram goes on to say he must have fallen in love with you at the ball You looked so beautiful at the ball everyone said so because Chapman helped you get ready of course Which she sure didn't but she sure didn't and then she offers to give Fannie a puppy the next time pug has a litter
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so Sarah wobbles as a girl, unclear, because also it's possible she means when Sarah wobbles next sires a litter, hmm, I wonder, but I mean, what is wobbles getting up to in his free time?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm wondering.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many questions about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think one of our patrons asked about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's this is its own book.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is its own podcast
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing that's important here is that she never offered to give a puppy to either of her own daughters, but I'm just stuck on Sirwobles being a girl dog, potentially.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, his name is Pug, not Sirwobles.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what wobbles is a gender-neutral queen?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, as far as I can tell.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, not clear on the sex of this dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What matters is that wobbles has puppies sometimes, either sires or births a litter and fanny gets her pick of the buggy lot wobbles a junior wobbles junior electric boogaloo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which brings us to chapter 3.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does indeed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Edmund comes back.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bitch is back, as we say.
[SPEAKER_02]: First things first, he is shocked to find the Crawford's walking through town together, because he had planned this whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: specifically to avoid seeing Mary Crawford again.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has stayed away extra long so that he would not see her and she's the first thing he sees.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the description.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like he was ready for sweatpants and regency era Ben and Jerry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in Mansfield Park and low and behold, there she is.
[SPEAKER_03]: The girl he was about to stew and like wine over.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he sees her and she greets him really friendly and warmly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, that's not what I was expecting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought we were in a fight and his heart soars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, oh, I guess I'm still in love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Men are so easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not actually, but this man in particular, he's easily persuadable.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is easily persuadable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, then he finds out about Williams' promotion, which is another good surprise, so he's very happy all through dinner, because he's been put in a good move by Mary Crawford, who by the way doesn't come to dinner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, none of them come to dinner at this point, but later, Henry comes and she doesn't, and that's interesting, but he's in a good mood, and then after dinner, he finds out about Fanny's tail.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Fanny is in the other room and she's like they're taking a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably getting the whole rundown from Sir Thomas and he comes in at the end of the, you know, post dinner time and he sits by her and he takes her hand and he presses her hand and he looks at her very kindly and she feels like he knows he knows I love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she thinks he's meaning to be encouraging
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you did the right thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know what she thinks he's giving.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's just reading like, oh, you're on my side forever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that is what she thinks.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in fact, he is completely on Sir Thomas aside and he's just like, I'm looped in, is what he's saying with the handpress.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's basically like, so we've had a proposal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Graham, the sound effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Edmund Edmund, Edmund, he's not a surprised as Sir Thomas that Fanny said no.
[SPEAKER_03]: He seems to have got gathered that Fanny doesn't like this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he knows that she would have been caught by surprise by the proposal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she wouldn't have noticed his feelings.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he does think that the connection is advantageous.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thinks that Fanny will fall in love with Henry with time and that it
[SPEAKER_02]: And his kind of read on it is that Henry didn't give Fanny enough time to warm up to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he proposed to soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: He jumped the gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, come on, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you know how to propose to my cousin?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he also, first of all, Edmund's taking his sweet, sweet time to propose to Mary Crawford.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's going a really opposite kind of root with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess that's I mean, he thinks that's what one should do exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thinks he should be sure that the woman wants the proposal before you do the proposal, which to be fair to parent is actually probably a good way to propose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because then I don't know you'd rather be guaranteed a yes than.
[SPEAKER_03]: You also just don't want to like put her in a bad position.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to have her be excited and happy when you propose.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this is why nowadays, well, proposals can be surprises and engagements should never be surprises.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Proposals can be surprises and engagements should never be so good way of putting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to be on the same page that you're getting engaged.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but how he chooses to do so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lots of different ways we have, you know, bring in the champagne glass, the cake, or you can do the banner at the sports stadium, which is my personal nightmare.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's lots of nice, lovely ways to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when Henry Crawford did, is he asked his girlfriend a three months if you don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_03]: He did, but he also, she wasn't his girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, like instead of starting with like, could you running go on a date with me?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, because it's, that's kind of apples to oranges, because obviously like in the regions here, we're not doing dates, we're doing courting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was courting her, she just didn't notice.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, but you should make sure she knows.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, like, you shouldn't get engaged to someone, if you haven't like said, I love you, for example.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, all this to say that Edmund's like, my guy, you went about this wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know her.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I know her.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he is on board, but he is on board.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing, which is like, frankly, the worst thing to hear in the world from the guy that you like is like, I'm so happy you're with this other person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder if he said this all out loud.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he because I wasn't sure in reading it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, did he tell her his opinions on this or did he see her blushing and say, we'll talk about it another time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, we'll talk about it another time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because poor girl would absolutely just die on the melt into the ground.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the next day Henry comes and Sir Thomas invites him to dinner, and this is the one where I was like, why didn't Mary come with him now that Edmund's back because Henry is trying to court-fanny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Mary doesn't need to come.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Sir Thomas is like, be here as much as you possible here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Henry is like, I'll be there as much as I possibly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's going to come every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, I want to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So him staying for dinner gives Edmund ample time to observe Henry and see how he's going about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He sees how little Fanny is giving back to Henry, and he's like, I'm kind of surprised this dude is persevering.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could simply never.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I got one mean word from Mary, and I have to leave the county for like a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, yeah, exactly, but he knows that Fanny is worth it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does say that, yep, which is true and they are best friends, of course he knows that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and what he's seeing here and like to be fair, this I think is kind of accurate, and he's like, I like that this guy is seeing what I see in her and likes that in her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also wonders if Henry is seeing a little bit more like is getting more from what Fanny is giving him than Edmund is noticing from the outside, you know, like if he's like, oh, yeah, maybe they have like a secret language like a vibe that I'm not sensing because I'm not in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's in the ladies and there's sensitivities in my right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: After dinner, though, he sees something a little bit more promising.
[SPEAKER_02]: The men had just entered the room to find Fanny and Lady Bertram sitting in silence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when they were Mark on this, Lady Bertram is like, Oh, well, Fanny was just reading to me, and she just put it aside when you all were approaching.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Henry's like, oh, what were you reading?
[SPEAKER_02]: Shakespeare, I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me pick up where Fanny left off and he like finds the page somehow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Being like, oh, yeah, this looks like it was the most recently open page.
[SPEAKER_02]: She might have had a bookmark in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just dives into the speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Henry the eighth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he starts doing all of the parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at first, Fanny is not paying attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's focused on her work, but
[SPEAKER_02]: Slowly, she gets more and more engrossed in his performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's drawn in because remember he can act.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he sure can act.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was the first person who ever showed her that a play could be enjoyable because he's good at acting.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is good at acting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we talked about this when he like, she stumbled upon a scene between him and Mariah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she enjoyed it so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: and now she can enjoy this even more because it's not marred by the fact that he is flirting with her engaged cousin it's not he I mean it's marred by the fact that he's pursuing her against her wish exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Henry Crawford has a particular neck for the spoken word and it is turning her on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: In this moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's watching an Edmund is watching her watch him and he's watching as she like drops her needlework on the floor and her jaw like goes slack and she's she's sliding her little lip.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then Henry makes eye contact with her and she's like oh and she goes back to her work and he closes the book and the spell is broken.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Edmund goes, oh, like, you must love that play, you read it so well, and Henry's like, ah, never read it before in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the first time I finished Shakespeare since I was a child.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tostos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, you just pick these things up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says as an Englishman, Shakespeare's baked into our blood, of course, and you're exposed to it for so much that like you can't open up a Shakespeare without immediately falling into the rhythm of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I just throw this on ever so often ever so often make me sing.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing about it is it's true that it's similar to check off being baked into the rhythm of like Russian life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shakespeare, I would say it's probably I don't know because I think the listeners tell me you Shakespeare baked into your modern life.
[SPEAKER_02]: more like your society, you know, because Edmund is like, yeah, everyone's familiar with Shakespeare.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's foundational to the English word and that is true in America too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like, but not everyone can act Shakespeare and Edmund says that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, like everyone might know of Shakespeare, but not everyone can read it out loud like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they glance at Fanny and she says nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her praise was in the fact that she dropped her needlework and stared at him and that's enough for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lady Bertram is like, well, I for one loved it and I wish that Sir Thomas had been here to witness it and Henry is like, wow, if stupid lady Bertram liked it, then Fanny must have really liked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good job me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lady Bertram says she thinks that he's going to have a theater at every one day and he's like, no, no, no, I could never.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like any moment that she is reminded of what I did with Mariah is just not bad, bad, bad, bad, not good for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he looks at Fannie with a look that's like Fannie would never allow me to have a theater.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, so I could not have a theater right, Fannie.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I would never have a theater in my home because this woman would not want a theater in her home.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wouldn't do that to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Edmund notes how determined Fannie is to not be paying attention to what he's saying at that moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he thinks that it's a good thing that she's so aware of then he's trying to drop.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not clueless.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, the men then go on to talk about how reading aloud is not something that is really taught in school and how so many young men are not up to the challenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, it's very uncommon to do it well like him, and Fanny is listening to this whole thing very attentively.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Edmund goes on to talk about how in his profession.
[SPEAKER_02]: There has historically been very little emphasis on how to read aloud.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's improving now, but those who were ordained 20, 30, 40 years ago, thought of reading and preaching as two separate things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now there's a greater proportion of people in the congregation who have taste and who are educated and who can judge these things and so people are focusing more on their presentation.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says that he has done one service since he got ordained and Henry asks him all about it without any of the quote Spirit of banter or air of levity which Edmund knew to be most offensive to panty so he's like genuinely asking about The sermon and we're just here clocking how this man is changing his personality for panty's taste
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this whole conversation, I think he's riling Fanny up on purpose, and we'll get into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But first, they get into their opinions on how certain passages of the Bible, I guess, should be delivered.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Edmund thinks, ah, he's talking about the Bible, the sure way to Fanny's heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: Henry admits that he isn't always as attentive in search as he should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: 19 out of 20 times, he's thinking about the passage and how it should be read and wishing that he could be reading it himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he cuts himself off and goes over to fany and does like, did you say something?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, no, and he's like, I could have sworn your mouth moved.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, it didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I thought you were going to tell me that I should be more attentive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I shouldn't allow my thoughts to wander.
[SPEAKER_02]: And fany's like, no, I was not going to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know your own duty.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then he goes on to talk about how it's easier to write a good sermon than to read a good sermon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And whenever he hears a good sermon, he feels admiration and has half a mind to take orders himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: This makes Edmund laugh.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, no, really, I've never listened to a distinguished London preacher without envy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to be one, but I must have a London audience.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I need educated people with taste in my congregation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would only want to do it every now and then.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was rude to Edmund, but nobody clocked it, like he's saying I would have to be in a congregation in London where they're educated people with taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not in a, you know, countryside.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where we'll get to it in the study questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is like a real like it's a very specific take on what Christianity should be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's it's a non flattering one in some regard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's very different than our very humble guy Edmund Bertram.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Fanny shakes her head involuntarily and then Henry swoops back over and is like, why did you shake your head?
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where I was like, oh, he was saying this stuff on purpose to get a reaction out of her, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Edmund then sits down with a paper thinking, you know what, this is going to be a while, because Henry's like, why did you say that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why did you shake your head?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he sincerely hopes that, quote, Dear Little Fanny will explain her shake of the head to the satisfaction of her ardent lover.
[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, Fanny is so uncomfortable, she's trying and trying and trying to turn him down, but he keeps pressing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, what did I do to this, please you?
[SPEAKER_02]: And eventually, she's like, you astonish me.
[SPEAKER_02]: How can you, I think she's going to say, how can you keep going when I'm shining you down, but he cuts her off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, do I really astonish you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I can explain everything that I love about you and everything that interests me about you and why I'm so curious about your thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she can't help but give him a smile at that, a half smile.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes on to say, I think you shook your head when I said, I wouldn't want to do the duties of a clergyman quote for a constancy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not afraid of the word constancy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if you think I ought to be afraid of the word constancy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And fany's like, I wish you would always know yourself as much as you did in that moment that you said that.
[SPEAKER_02]: To Fanny, this is an extreme or proof.
[SPEAKER_02]: She thinks she's shutting him down hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he is just excited that she talked to us at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, okay, keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, here's more questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I don't really want to talk to you about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, he's like, I'm happy because I understand your opinion of me more clearly now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think I'm easily swayed on steady?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to protest that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will just prove with my actions that my affections are steady.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says distance absence will prove that I deserve you basically like he's going to go away and he's still going to love her.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows that she's his superior in merit.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like an angel if she's unlike anyone else on this planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's not frightened.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to win her over by being hurt equal in merit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But instead by worshiping her merit and loving her most devotedly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he calls her his dearest sweetest fanny and she draws back and he's like, okay, okay, maybe I don't deserve to call you fanny yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know what else to call you because I've been calling you fanny in my dreams and you've given the name such reality of sweetness that nothing else will do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And fanny is like, this is too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna die and she's finally relieved when badly returns with the tea service.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And how did Molly deal with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: with the with the professions of love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, sort of the same way as it has been the entire chapter, where I'm like, she's said no to literally every single thing that you've asked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, she's laughing at you for not being constant, like for being wishy-washy and you're saying that you're gonna continue to love for always, even when she's not there, but also when she's literally telling you she doesn't love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was frustrated with him, but like of course he's very sweet talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very romantic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything that he said.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's way more romantic if she likes him back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's usually the one of the big dividing lines between romance and creepiness.
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah it felt a little creepy it definitely felt a little creepy and it also felt like the vibe of this whole chapter felt like very clear to me that he was doing this all on purpose to get a rise out of her so that he could he was like saying stuff that he knew she would laugh at or knew that she would find something to shake her head out so that he could go over and be like tell me more about why you did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: even though he knew.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, I think it was because of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, no, and he's like, it's because you think that I'm not constant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me prove to you how constant I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just like, it all was a little slimy to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is how he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the end of that chapter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which brings us to the study questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to start with the patron study questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Listeners, if you would like to ask questions about the chapters and have us answer them on the area, you can become a patron at the $15 tier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Molly will put out a Google Doc, you can submit questions, and we will answer them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Avi asks, at the end of chapter two, Lady Bertram offers Fanny a potential puppy, which she did not do for Mariah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What does that say about Lady Bertram's feeling towards Fanny and Mariah?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's interesting because like you would think that Mariah as the eldest child would be a prime candidate to receive a puppy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that it just like to me, Lady Bertram, read this as being indifferent to all of her children.
[SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think there's like one way to answer this question which is like like Lady Bertram has more affection for Fannie and like there is like a particular affinity that Lady Bertram does have for Fannie because she's always like waiting on her hand and foot exactly and like she's like oh I can't go without Fannie.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why Fannie's like you can't go with that me right?
[SPEAKER_03]: mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's like well I could go without you if you were with a hot man.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I also think there is another element of this that might be less charitable to Lady Bertram
[SPEAKER_03]: Mariah did her duty that everyone expected a first.
[SPEAKER_03]: She made a great match financially.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was all arranged for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was no affection there whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fanny surprised Lady Bertram and Lady Bertram was so pleased by the romance and the the triumph of the whole thing that she wants to reward Fanny with a puppy.
[SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like the Moriah's expected to have done this, if any never, this was not in anybody's wildest dreams for Fanny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that's part of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: As a bonus, Lady Bertram does not seem to know the gender of her dog whose mistake is that Lady Bertram's Jane Austen's or failed attempt by someone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's assume Mrs. Norris to gaslight the family.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_03]: However, I think the more realistic answer to this is it just might not be that clear from the text what the gender of the pug is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't remember if she's referred to the dog as a boy before, but I've always assumed that pug is a boy dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be an absolutely unhinged side plot for Mrs. Norris to be lying about the gender of the dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's Jane Austen's mistake.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the dog has before been talked about as a boy and is now being talked about as a girl dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pug wobbles or I think it might be Jane Austen making fun of lady birch room for not actually knowing how dog gender works potentially or it could just be that like having the litter would mean siren litter for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could totally mean that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could also mean that she just like is so unaware of her own dog gender that she doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are the complex textual questions that come up when you're discussing Jane Austen novels.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Angelica asks, in chapter three, Henry reads a passage allowed from Shakespeare, Henry the eighth, what significance do you attach if any to Henry reading this particular play?
[SPEAKER_02]: I do not know this particular play well enough to have an answer to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: This came up in an episode of the thing about Austin that I actually have listened to on this particular passage.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got feelings on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's an interesting choice from Jane Austin, but you don't know what happens in Harry the eighth and you also don't know what happens in Mansville Park.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, but I do know what happens in Henry the fourth and a little bit of Henry the fifth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are great plays, but I don't know if it has anything to do with Henry the eighth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's a couple generations later, huh?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's post, Richard the third.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's by a lot quite some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even read that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like a, and this is kind of just ironic, because there's not something that Jane Austen like planned for, but Henry VIII is like an unloved darling of the Shakespeare canon in the way that Mansfield Park is an unloved darling of the Jane Austen canon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I don't think that was planned.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there are, she planned, she was like, she's like, yeah, people don't really like Henry the eighth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to stick it into this book that some people don't like exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I think there are definitely connections to be made between Henry the eighth and Mansfield Park, particularly a character like Henry Crawford.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I am not going to dive all of those because we will talk about them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure when we see them on screen and you can be spoiled on things.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Jelko also asks, in chapter three, we see Henry make some very considered efforts to gain Fanny's favor and attention, and minutes it's by observing the scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you make of Edmund's role in this moment?
[SPEAKER_03]: What does Fanny make of Edmund's behavior?
[SPEAKER_02]: What I make of Edmund's role in this moment is him being a little bit fast punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell it like it is Molly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, respect the woman's wishes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd but also, it does say the last thing that it says is that he is
[SPEAKER_02]: Glad to be let back into the world of people who can see and hear what is going on, so I do not think that he could hear the conversation that she and Henry were having.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that is accurate, but that is what I read into it, and so I do wonder.
[SPEAKER_02]: because so far he has not talked to fan about her actual feelings about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he knows how adamantly she hates this man still.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he knew that she didn't like him and he knew that she like he wasn't surprised that she said no, but I don't think he knows how many times maybe he doesn't know how many times she has since denied him and how many times she did in the scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: Another little question is how much does it blind Edmund that he's in love with Henry
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he like wants this man to be a good person so that he can continue to love his sister.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got some blinders on because he wants the Crawford's to be a good connection for their family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's annoying.
[SPEAKER_02]: If Fanny sat him down and was like, I cannot marry this man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that maybe he would reevaluate how he's kind of...
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not pushing it, but he's not stopping it either, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what Fannie makes of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All that I remember it saying was that she felt her heart sink when she saw him sit back and pull out the newspaper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he wasn't going to interfere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interview.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that that hurt her.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that he didn't do good for himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, once again, Edmund Bertram's in action is stressic vanny out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That concludes the patron study questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to go on to back as study questions now.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you make of the reactions of the two ants and how they compare about the proposal?
[SPEAKER_03]: So on a surface level, they were both funny in their own ways, like, so funny, fantastic passage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but on kind of a more intellectual level, I guess, Mrs. Norris kind of proved the point of like everything that she's ever said about Fanny, which is that like, she can't believe that Fanny got something that she thinks that her other nieces deserved more.
[SPEAKER_02]: particularly Julia.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was like, this should have gone to Julia.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, she's always saying that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she doesn't like that this raised fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she thinks that getting a good proposal like that raises fanty's consequence a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's nothing worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: than raising the consequence of someone who you have spent your entire life trying to depress as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's something like that in Cornorus.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I also think she says like she doesn't want Fanny to succeed in spite of everything she's done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: To keep Fanny down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like she's like, I want my girls to be successful more so than Fanny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, because ever
[SPEAKER_03]: and the, she said to the others, you girls, and make sure you remember you're better than her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Henry was flirting with her other daughters, her other nieces, and he's still ended up proposing to Fanny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Julia very publicly wanted this to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it didn't happen for her and Fanny didn't even try and she got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Norris being pissed off as exceptionally on brand for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then of course Lady Bertram's response is also very on brand for her.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also, like, I wanted to like lightly connect it to the first chapter of the book, where we see the three girls get married.
[SPEAKER_03]: We still have, well, Mariah is married to Mr. Rushworth.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's Mrs. Rushworth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Julia, no marriage at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now, Fanny has the opportunity for her own adventages map, and it just goes to show again these women have their own particular ways of seeing marriage.
[SPEAKER_03]: And for Lady Bertram, Lady Bertram had a coup of a marriage.
[SPEAKER_03]: She got very wealthy.
[SPEAKER_03]: from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and she's like her response to Fanny is like, well, it's your duty to say us to that kind of proposal.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, yeah, like, like, what you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's interesting that none of them think of the proposal as being done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they don't think that her saying no was enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I can't stress enough how economically it just doesn't make good sense to say no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just like you can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not done because Henry has it as an open offer for her
[SPEAKER_03]: Ugh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why does Fannie love the reading and what does it her enjoyment of Henry's prowess mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess we talked about this a little bit back during lover's vows, but she thinks it's hot that he can act.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's really sexy when he reads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he is very good actor because he's good at putting on a voice in a case and, and that's attractive to Fannie.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's attractive to Fannie.
[SPEAKER_02]: partially I think because as someone who is so timid and like quiet, there's something attractive about being able to shed that skin and be outlandish and do something on stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: and not be yourself for a minute like that's intriguing to her and I think that it's not just necessarily that she's like wow he's so beautiful when he acts it's like wow how awesome to be able to shed your whole self for a minute yeah and it's also it's like a charisma bond bomb it's like it's like he's just oozing with this like engagement and humanity in these moments that like she can't resist.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a sexy moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: By contrast, what is the Edmund Henry conversation after the reading?
[SPEAKER_03]: Say, a British man?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I found it telling that he was talking about how when he sees a really good sermon, he's like, yeah, I want to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that he was trying to play to Fanny's heartstrings there with everything he was saying about lighting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't be the first time that one of the crawfords was trolling by being a little bit outrageous about the church.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: When they went to Southernton and they saw the church, is that the moment you're talking about?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, just marriage is constantly making outrageous jokes about the church.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just think that it's like, it would be so out of character for him to actually want to be a, well, pastor.
[SPEAKER_03]: What he says is I want to be a pastor, why does it want to be a pastor so that he can read the passages nicely?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's pretty like shallow reason to be a pastor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he also would only want to do it in front of a London audience and only every now and then for people to taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and so that's telling about him and then on the pair to our guy Edmund, who like cares more about what there is to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: and what there is to do for people and what yeah exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it shows a difference in understanding of what it is like a record does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know that Henry's kind of joking here, but he is, I think he's mostly trying to get a rise out of Pani, but it's also the conversation like they're not arguing about it at all, like no, completely on the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Side even though he Edmund should be a little bit like dude You really like he's not trying to marry him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean Edmund does laugh at him when he says he does that he's going to be a A writer, but I think everybody knows he wouldn't be a very good one, but like he's basically like if I were like all I do and church Just think about how well I would say those words Yeah, he's just not thinking about the words exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I were a rector
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now, Fanny thinks that he is in constant and he only loves her in the moment and he doesn't really, like it's not a lasting love right and I think that he's trying to say I will prove to you that my love is not in constant.
[SPEAKER_03]: How would you do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: go away and then come back and like it's hard to prove negative.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would not be unfaithful to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would not stop loving you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So to prove that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he would have to go away and he would have to come back after not after no contact for a long time and still propose to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think it would mean if he did prove it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know a lot of things would have to go differently in this book for her to want him back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she's in love with her cousin.
[SPEAKER_02]: So even if he did do that, I think at this point, she would still say no.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if Edmund married Mary Crawford in the meantime, then maybe she would say yes out of necessity of her finding someone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, what if he actually did it?
[SPEAKER_03]: If he actually proved her, through his actions that he's true and constant.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I still, I don't think that she would care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she would maybe be more like honored, you know, like I'm honored, blah, blah, blah, like how she has been.
[SPEAKER_02]: But until there's proof that Edmund won't be an option for her, she doesn't have the option to love Henry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Funny's quote.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's right after Sir Thomas tells the ants about the proposal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lady Bertrand took it differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: She had been a beauty and a prosperous beauty all her life and beauty and wealth were all that excited her respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: To know Fanny to be sought and married by a man of fortune raised her therefore very much in her opinion by convincing her that Fanny was very pretty which she had been doubting about before and that she would be advantageously married, it made her feel sort of credit
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she says, well, Fanny, I have had a very agreeable surprise this morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: I must just speak of it once.
[SPEAKER_02]: I told her, Thomas, I must once.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I shall have done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I give you joy, my dear niece, and looking at her complacently added a... We certainly are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had some family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, isn't it wonderful or hot?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, questions moving forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay, this isn't so much a question as I want to put on record a prediction, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Henry is going to go away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like something is going to go on with Julia because she has been gone for so long that I feel like she has to come back and there has to be either like Some upset with Fanny and her finding out that he proposed to her or like Something like maybe he'll give up eventually and end up marrying Julia like I feel like something might happen there And and then In defense of Fanny is when Edmond will realize his love for her that's kind of where I'm at.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess my question is is he going to go away
[SPEAKER_02]: And is he going to prove himself?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he going to actually prove that he loves her?
[SPEAKER_03]: Questions indeed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, big questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, never mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to ask about Sir Robles' gender, but I don't care.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, listen, genders of constructs and wobbles, wobbles is an icon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who wins the chapters?
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be hard to give it to Fanny because she had just been tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's really been trying to tell this guy, no, and he won't get off her back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she doesn't really win.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't win for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's perfectly happy coming out of this chapter, but I'm mad at him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like she's being good and is unhappy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's being bad and is happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so neither of them get the win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Edmund, of course, does not get the win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mrs. Norris doesn't get the win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sir Thomas doesn't get the win.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm left kind of with Lady Bertram or Sir Wobbles, getting the win.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the word German wobbles can split the wind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm in for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, plus them both.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love them.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so the wind goes to Lady Bertram and her gender-neutral pug, mixed wobbles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mix wobbles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, listeners that concludes this episode of Potten Prejudice for next time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Listeners, we're gonna read chapters 35 and 36 aka volume this third chapters four and five.
[SPEAKER_03]: Molly, you ready?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so ready.
[SPEAKER_03]: And get a puppy, and top don't shop if you can, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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