KAYLEE GONCALVES' FAMILY FIGHTS BACK AS KOHBERGER ROTS IN PRISON
The Kaylee Goncalves Foundation does business under the name "Murder Has a Name." It is a non-profit which provides financial support to law enforcement agencies nationwide for forensic DNA testing and investigative genetic genealogy in violent crime investigations. The murder victim's family say by removing financial barriers, the foundation can help ensure cases access to modern forensic science, capable of identifying perpetrators and delivering answers to families.
Law enforcement agencies can apply for testing funds and the public can view their work on the "Murder Has a Name" Foundation website. You can follow their ongoing campaigns and community initiatives via the official Goncalves Family Tips Facebook Page.
The public can also submit their DNA to GEDmatch for free. The family points out the more people who submit their DNA, the more cases will be solved.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Kristi Goncalves - mother of victim Kaylee Goncalves Website: www.MurderHasAName.com
- Steve Goncalves - father of victim Kaylee Goncalves Website: www.MurderHasAName.com
- Chris Hansen -journalist and Host of the podcast "Have A Seat With Chris Hansen", an ambasador to the Goncalves' new foundation, Facebook:HaveASeatWithChrisHansen
- Andy Kahan - Director of Victim Services and Advocacy at Crime Stoppers of Houston, ambasador to the Goncalves' new foundation: "Murder Has a Name," crime-stoppers.org,
- Tracie Brocco - Executive Director of 'Murder Has A Name', website: Murderhasaname.com
- Sydney Sumner - Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1: From great, great pain, something is forged, something is created. Tonight,
Speaker 1: Joining us the Gonsalvas family, Chris Hansen and others Tonight
Speaker 1: they will describe for you what they are doing, born
Speaker 1: out of the tragedy of the brutal quadruple murders in
Speaker 1: Idaho for beautiful students murdered. How could something good possibly
Speaker 1: come from that good evening? Imancy, Grace, this is crime Stories.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2: So I'm going through some of Kaylee's things and I
Speaker 2: came across the sweatshirt that she was wearing at night, and.
Speaker 3: In the pocket.
Speaker 1: Is your grub truck.
Speaker 3: Number seventy eight ticket.
Speaker 1: How can anything good come of a mother's pain, the
Speaker 1: pain that Christy from Solvice endured and is enduring after
Speaker 1: the murder of her little girl. What she has to
Speaker 1: hold onto is her sweatshirt. But amazingly, miraculously, something wonderful
Speaker 1: has been born. Joining us tonight, special guests the Gonsalvest family,
Speaker 1: Chris Hansen, Andy con Tracy Bacco, and Sydney Sylvanni. Straight
Speaker 1: out to Christy Gonsalves, I've often wondered how you put
Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other, losing your beautiful
Speaker 1: girl and then finding out you lost her in horrible,
Speaker 1: violent tragedy to a monster for no reason. Out of
Speaker 1: the blue. It was time for Thanksgiving. Everybody's looking forward
Speaker 1: to Christmas. Tell me about Murder has a Name.
Speaker 4: Well, Murder has a Name actually started with Tracy Rocco
Speaker 4: in the beginning of this tragedy. She started reaching out
Speaker 4: to us and and it just.
Speaker 3: Became more and more frequently.
Speaker 4: And she has this very distinct writing and I would
Speaker 4: notice her cards, and I would notice things that she
Speaker 4: was sending, and everything was just very very heartfelt. And
Speaker 4: I decided to just start reaching out to her, texting
Speaker 4: her and whatnot. And she was by my side through,
Speaker 4: you know, the entire case, pretty much to the sentencing.
Speaker 4: And as soon as the sentencing happened and it was
Speaker 4: over with, she was like, we're starting a foundation. And
Speaker 4: I was like, there's no way I could do it,
Speaker 4: and she's like, yes, we can. And every note that
Speaker 4: I had, Tracy had a yes. Every question I had,
Speaker 4: Tracy had an answer, and she was just very persistent
Speaker 4: and very insistent on us remembering Kaylee. She grew to
Speaker 4: love Kaylee throughout this tragedy. She grew to love our
Speaker 4: family and her family is amazing as well. And I've
Speaker 4: done but has pushed this along and made everything so
Speaker 4: much easier. And now we have a dream team that
Speaker 4: I feel and our family feels that we owe it
Speaker 4: very much to go to to Tracy Rocco.
Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalvis joining us. Of course, this is Kelley Gonsalves's father,
Speaker 1: and you have voiced what so many people, millions of
Speaker 1: people feel and what they want to say throughout this
Speaker 1: entire ordeal, this odyssey that you and your family have
Speaker 1: been dragged through thanks to Brian Coburger and a weak prosecutor,
Speaker 1: Steve Goss. How did you take what happened to Kelly
Speaker 1: and somehow morphed that into Murder has a name? And
Speaker 1: what is murder has a name? You know?
Speaker 5: Today you hear people say unliving and they say all
Speaker 5: these politically correct things, and the reality is my daughter
Speaker 5: was murdered, and she was murdered while she was in
Speaker 5: her own bed, and we're not going to shy away
Speaker 5: from that. We're going to say that. We're just trying
Speaker 5: to punch and get right to the point. Murder has
Speaker 5: a name. It's Kaylee gansolbust Maddy, May you know Ethan Xana.
Speaker 5: We want we've always wanted to be like a voice
Speaker 5: of parents if you went through this, and like how
Speaker 5: to respond and be more active than reactive, because there's
Speaker 5: so many more tools now for parents to play a
Speaker 5: role in this and you know, change laws and do
Speaker 5: more than just be a victim. And that's really what
Speaker 5: this organization is is we're extending that invite and helping
Speaker 5: people go from like victims to actual playing a role
Speaker 5: as prosecutors. They can go in there and now they
Speaker 5: can actively pursue whoever did this to them, and that
Speaker 5: would be that's an amazing reward to give a family.
Speaker 1: You know, Steve and Christy, you're actually making my chest
Speaker 1: hurt right now because I remember after my fiance was murdered,
Speaker 1: I dropped out of school. I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do anything. I wanted to die,
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to do, but that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And the only thing I could come up with to
Speaker 1: do is to finish school and go to law school
Speaker 1: to help other crime victims. And it never goes away,
Speaker 1: the desire to do something, anything to help to make
Speaker 1: a difference. It never goes away. This idea murder has
Speaker 1: a name. What do you want to achieve? What can
Speaker 1: it do? What's the potential of your foundation? What are
Speaker 1: we looking at?
Speaker 4: So is what our foundation wants to do is we
Speaker 4: have made some amazing partnerships with several different labs UH
Speaker 4: and we are partnering with these these labs that do
Speaker 4: genetic genealogy forensics.
Speaker 3: They're cutting edge, their top of the line.
Speaker 4: There there was the best of the best, and we
Speaker 4: have teamed up with them as partners and we are
Speaker 4: creating an application process for law enforcement to fill out
Speaker 4: their criteria and as long as it meets these UH,
Speaker 4: these different labs criteria, they'll send it to us and
Speaker 4: they choose the lab. We'll say, we're working with these
Speaker 4: five labs, these these six labs, whatever it may be,
Speaker 4: and we get their DNA over to those labs and
Speaker 4: we pay for it to get processed. And and because
Speaker 4: we know so many of these agencies are underfunded and
Speaker 4: and and and just don't have the cost the means
Speaker 4: to be able to get these testings done, and sometimes
Speaker 4: they could be very simple and in forty eight hours,
Speaker 4: they can now have an answer to the perpetrator who
Speaker 4: murdered their child, or who abducted their child, or their
Speaker 4: mom or their dad. And it's just as simple as
Speaker 4: being not so simple, because it can be quite expensive
Speaker 4: to be eight for.
Speaker 1: Oh, Christy, it's really expensive. And not only that, you
Speaker 1: mentioned the time delay. I remember a case that we
Speaker 1: were working on. It was a teacher, a very young teacher.
Speaker 1: Her name was Eliza Fletcher, I think, out of Memphis,
Speaker 1: with two little children, little little like I think one
Speaker 1: was in pre k and one was even younger. And
Speaker 1: she goes out four am for a job because you know,
Speaker 1: being a mom, you try to work it all in
Speaker 1: so it doesn't rob time away from you and your children.
Speaker 1: So she's at at four am. Of course, people said
Speaker 1: it's her fault because she was out in the dark running,
Speaker 1: said the guy that raped and murdered her. Guess what
Speaker 1: was sitting on the shelf at the crime lab. His
Speaker 1: DNA in a previous violent rape. Turned out he had
Speaker 1: a history he had attacked people before in addition to
Speaker 1: that rape. But had that been analyzed and he prosecuted
Speaker 1: on that, he would not have been roaming free to
Speaker 1: murder this young mom, this school teacher, Eliza Fletcher. So
Speaker 1: it's not just the money, it's the timing. The timing,
Speaker 1: there's a huge backlog and we were talking earlier about
Speaker 1: the Lover's Lane case that was just cracked after thirty
Speaker 1: six years, one of the worst murders that goes down
Speaker 1: in Houston very quickly. To Andy conn joining us Director
Speaker 1: of Victim Services at Crime Stoppers Houston. He is working
Speaker 1: with the Gonsolvest family with Murder has a Name. I
Speaker 1: ask you to please go to it, people death of
Speaker 1: scroll all day long. We'll look at Murder has a
Speaker 1: Name while you're scrolling and learn what you can do
Speaker 1: to make a difference in this world any kind. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you the Lover's Lane murder horrible and it sat
Speaker 1: there for thirty six years and it was just cracked
Speaker 1: double murder by DNA. This is a case that could
Speaker 1: have used Murder has a Name money.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and that's what I'm telling families. This foundation is
Speaker 6: going to be the key to solving so many unsolved
Speaker 6: cases like the Lover's Lane murders. And I know, Nancy,
Speaker 6: you'll probably agree with me. I love working with people
Speaker 6: like Steve and Christy victims that want to make a
Speaker 6: difference I mean, they have obviously been through an emotional,
Speaker 6: horrible grief, but they want to make things better for
Speaker 6: others to come along. And I love working with families
Speaker 6: like that that want to take a negative and turn
Speaker 6: it into positive action for social change. Murder has a name.
Speaker 6: All too often, crime victims are reduced to an occupation.
Speaker 6: We see it all the time in the media. Waiter murdered,
Speaker 6: mechanic murder, convenience store clerk. They have a name, and
Speaker 6: they deserve to get justice. And what we're hoping to
Speaker 6: do is get some of these cases, just like the
Speaker 6: Lover's Lane murder that sat for decades, get them solved.
Speaker 1: And you know another thing and a talking about the
Speaker 1: Lover's Lane murder, the victims in that case, Andy and Cheryl,
Speaker 1: twenty one and twenty two years old. The perp who
Speaker 1: has just been apprehended all the way out in Lincoln, Nebraska,
Speaker 1: lay and Low now Houston, old, do I have to
Speaker 1: see him now? Houston is trying to connect him with many,
Speaker 1: many other unsolved rapes and murders. His MO was he
Speaker 1: is convicted twice on impersonating a police officer, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what he did that night he went up
Speaker 1: to sheryln Andy on Lover's lane. They've been dating a while.
Speaker 1: They were parked at a cult a sack. He comes
Speaker 1: up and I think he flashed a fake badge and
Speaker 1: got them to let their window down. They both ended
Speaker 1: up brutally stab dead, their throats slashed, tied to trees.
Speaker 1: She was raped. It was just just horrible and it's
Speaker 1: sat there. It sat there for thirty six years. With
Speaker 1: DNA there was DNA and speaking of solving cold cases.
Speaker 1: Joining us right now, Chris Hanson, you know him well
Speaker 1: or else you've been living under a rock in a
Speaker 1: cave on the other side of the world. Host of
Speaker 1: a hit podcast. Have a seat with Chris Hanson and
Speaker 1: basket to the Gonsalvest new foundation. Murder has a name
Speaker 1: and he has apprehended more predators than I can count.
Speaker 1: Chris Hansen, thank you for being with us. Tell me
Speaker 1: about why you got on board with the Gonsalvest family.
Speaker 7: Like you, I've been a crime reporter for four decades
Speaker 7: and we've exposed hundreds of predators and tried to educate
Speaker 7: people on criminals and how to avoid being victims.
Speaker 8: But I'm also a parent. I'm a father and I
Speaker 8: cannot manage imagine the searing pain that Steve and Christy
Speaker 8: have gone through over this, and it has haunted me
Speaker 8: this case. And as you know, in this case, part
Speaker 8: of what led to the arrest of Brian Coberger was
Speaker 8: a fingerprint on a snap of a sheath of a
Speaker 8: knife DNA. And so when Tracy reached out to me
Speaker 8: to be involved, and she was indefatigable about doing so,
Speaker 8: I can think of no other organization I would rather
Speaker 8: lend my name to than one that creates a fund
Speaker 8: that one that enhances our ability to get some of
Speaker 8: these cases solved by using DNA. And so I'm all
Speaker 8: in and I'm going to do whatever I can to
Speaker 8: help it insolve his family in this organization, murder has
Speaker 8: a name to get some of these cases solved.
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, when I was talking about
Speaker 1: the Eliza Fletcher case, how the young mom, the school teacher,
Speaker 1: was out jogging and the whole time sitting on the
Speaker 1: shelf at the crime lab. It's not the crime lab's fault.
Speaker 1: They are going as fast as they can. And every
Speaker 1: night I read and a live chat during programs and
Speaker 1: people say, well, why aren't you doing the Nancy Gathree
Speaker 1: case right now? Well, why aren't you doing this. I'm
Speaker 1: going as fast as I can, as fast as I can,
Speaker 1: and I get it, and I'm glad people want that courage.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they want to know. But like the people
Speaker 1: at the crime lab, the scientists, you go as fast
Speaker 1: as you can't you can't get to it all. You
Speaker 1: cannot humanly get to it all. Let me tell Hanson
Speaker 1: and the Gonsalvace and Tracy who's joining us. I remember
Speaker 1: I had been on trial for oh gosh, the trial lasted,
Speaker 1: I know, three weeks, and I would take all my
Speaker 1: evidence out of the courtroom with me at night. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave it anywhere, and I would come
Speaker 1: straight back to the courtroom in the morning. So I
Speaker 1: hadn't been in my office for three weeks. I've been
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Literally morning tonight I got back to
Speaker 1: my office. There were so many new files, new cases
Speaker 1: for me to investigate and prosecute. The records room had
Speaker 1: been delivering them for three weeks, and the stat got bigger, big, bigger, bigger, bigger,
Speaker 1: until it fell over like an accordion on the table,
Speaker 1: and they were all going over the other side of
Speaker 1: my desk. Translation, Murder has a Name may make funding
Speaker 1: possible for cases like Eliza Fletchers and others to be
Speaker 1: processed sooner to actually save lives. Has that dawned on you, Steve,
Speaker 1: that you may actually save a life like Eliza Fletcher's
Speaker 1: by funding DNA, by funding scientists to get the job
Speaker 1: done before the perp can commit another crime.
Speaker 5: We're going from victims to actually prosecutors. We're going to
Speaker 5: take an active role. We're going to help these families.
Speaker 5: We learned from offer them that there was over three
Speaker 5: hundred cases in Q just waiting for funding. And me
Speaker 5: and Christy've always said, what would be worse? How could
Speaker 5: it be any worse than what we're going through? And
Speaker 5: we identified when we didn't know who's the victim who
Speaker 5: did this, when we didn't know who that person was,
Speaker 5: and knowing that there's families out there that have they've
Speaker 5: been victims like we have there for.
Speaker 4: Years and years and years not knowing, you know.
Speaker 5: We're like, we got to fix this, and our kids
Speaker 5: have died, but they didn't die for nothing, and we're
Speaker 5: going to prove that because now we're going to pull
Speaker 5: people off the streets. We're going to they picked the
Speaker 5: wrong families, and we're going to prove that by ripping
Speaker 5: these criminals off the streets and putting them in cells.
Speaker 4: I mean, solving one could wind up solving several and
Speaker 4: preventing others, you.
Speaker 1: Know, preventing others, you know. I'm Another scary thing about
Speaker 1: this is the purp and for instance the lover's laying case.
Speaker 1: He was living life, nobody suspected him. I want to
Speaker 1: show you a video that it may not intrigue you
Speaker 1: the way it has me, but it's of Coburger that's SAKA.
Speaker 1: Watch him because watching this, nobody would suspect he is
Speaker 1: a killer. Watch this.
Speaker 3: I'm going pretty good. Definitely need to get my license change.
Speaker 9: Okay, we should be able to hook that. No, I
Speaker 9: mean you have to have it in watching the tape,
Speaker 9: but you don't have to agreg with that. I do
Speaker 9: need to know the exact mileth.
Speaker 8: There are a car right now, okay, perfect.
Speaker 9: Okay, so you just have to write that exact mileage
Speaker 9: all right here with no ten check the box's actual
Speaker 9: same date, and then you'll sign and you're reading direct
Speaker 9: on the bottom line there.
Speaker 1: I can hardly stand to even look at him. But
Speaker 1: I'm showing it for a demonstrative purpose, and that is
Speaker 1: you would never know or suspect that he has murdered
Speaker 1: four innocent people just before he did that, And he
Speaker 1: carries on this banter with this woman flirting with her.
Speaker 1: Many people say, until she brings up the murders, then
Speaker 1: he goes silent. My point is to Tracy Broco joining
Speaker 1: us executive director of Murder has a name with over
Speaker 1: a decade of law enforcement experience under her belt. Many people,
Speaker 1: if they had looked at him in court and been
Speaker 1: asked to hand down a guilty verdict, they go, I
Speaker 1: don't see it. I just don't think he has a motive.
Speaker 1: I don't think he did it unless but for the DNA.
Speaker 1: The DNA sealed it, case closed. That's why this is
Speaker 1: so important. Tracy, thank you for being with us tonight
Speaker 1: and explain to me how you have allied with the Gonsalviss,
Speaker 1: with Chris Hansen, Andy Kahn, and what you hope to
Speaker 1: achieve with Murder has a name.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, Nancy.
Speaker 10: I reached out to Christy and Steve like the rest
Speaker 10: of us wanted to when all this happened. My heart
Speaker 10: absolutely broke for them. I have a daughter and a son.
Speaker 10: My daughter was around the same age as Kaylee and
Speaker 10: in college around the same time, and I could not
Speaker 10: fathom as a parent what they were going through. And
Speaker 10: I felt like I needed to reach out. I wanted
Speaker 10: them to know that somebody somewhere was thinking about them,
Speaker 10: and I needed to remind them that of every time
Speaker 10: I could, because I know that that would change my
Speaker 10: life if I know that a stranger was thinking about
Speaker 10: me as much as I was. Then I absolutely fell
Speaker 10: in love with this family Because of Steve's persistent and
Speaker 10: driven conversation to find out what happened to his daughter.
Speaker 10: Christy and Steve were not giving up. Olivia's speech was
Speaker 10: hard hitting into the She hit him right on, looked
Speaker 10: right in his eyes, and directed everything at him, which
Speaker 10: was phenomenal. The family just reeked of strength, and I
Speaker 10: really felt like I needed to reach.
Speaker 3: Out to them.
Speaker 10: And when all of a sudden, done and I approached
Speaker 10: Christy about starting a foundation. I don't know anything about it,
Speaker 10: she didn't know anything about it, but we were one
Speaker 10: hundred percent willing to learn and move together through this,
Speaker 10: and I started googling people that were big presidence in justice,
Speaker 10: and of course Chris Hansen came up, and Anti Kin
Speaker 10: came up, and I thought, you know, what are the
Speaker 10: chances of me getting to these people? And I thought,
Speaker 10: you know what all you can do is try And
Speaker 10: Chris was so kind and reached out right back and
Speaker 10: the same thing. And it was without hesitation that they
Speaker 10: both said, I'm in what can I do to help?
Speaker 10: And it just warmed my heart and basically pushed us
Speaker 10: to move forward.
Speaker 1: So many cases have languished while the purp goes on
Speaker 1: to kill other people, to rape other people. And the
Speaker 1: seminal case is that Joseph D'Angelo, the Golden State killer,
Speaker 1: who was I might add, a former police officer.
Speaker 11: My husband had just left for work. I heard the
Speaker 11: garage door close. My son had gotten in bed with me,
Speaker 11: my three year old son, so we were snuggling and
Speaker 11: the next thing I knew there was someone running down
Speaker 11: the hall with a flashlight and I yelled to my husband,
Speaker 11: what did you forget? And it wasn't my husband. It
Speaker 11: was Anne with a ski mask, holding a flashlight and
Speaker 11: a large butcher knife. He gagged both both my son
Speaker 11: and myself. He blindfolded us, and he tied us our
Speaker 11: ankles and our wrist with shoelaces. And then the most
Speaker 11: frightening part about the whole or a deal, was when
Speaker 11: he moved my son. And then I knew that I
Speaker 11: had no idea why he was moving him. Of course,
Speaker 11: where was he taking him? I had no idea. And
Speaker 11: then when he untied my ankles, then I knew what
Speaker 11: he was there for. I don't even remember the rape,
Speaker 11: because all I was concerned with is where did he
Speaker 11: put my son?
Speaker 1: Golden State Killer Joseph di Angelo over a decade, including
Speaker 1: thirteen murders, over fifty rapes, one hundred and twenty burglaries,
Speaker 1: we know of a total of nearly ninety victims across California.
Speaker 1: Former police officer Joseph DiAngelo, the Golden State Killer, to
Speaker 1: Sidney Silvanni Crime Stories investigative reporter. There he is old,
Speaker 1: but he murdered so many people and if he had
Speaker 1: been stopped by DNA, they would be alive today.
Speaker 12: Sydney, absolutely, and DNA was the name of this game
Speaker 12: in this case. Investigators knew that from the very beginning.
Speaker 12: But yes, DNA ultimately solved that case and could have
Speaker 12: solved it earlier.
Speaker 1: Genetic genealogy caught the Golden State Killer. Genetic genealogy was
Speaker 1: in place before his last victims lives could have been saved,
Speaker 1: but Joseph Dangelo, the Golden State Killer, was allowed to
Speaker 1: continue a reign of terror. Straight out to Steve and
Speaker 1: Christi Glinsolvis, cases like this must be the type of
Speaker 1: case you want to target.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And another partner that we're partnering with is a.
Speaker 3: Company called get Match, And so part of.
Speaker 4: Our our mission is to try to get as many
Speaker 4: people to build these trees and put their DNA into
Speaker 4: these databases as possible because with getting their genetic genealogy,
Speaker 4: they could also be helping solve crimes. So the more
Speaker 4: trees that get built, you know, the better it is.
Speaker 4: And you know, with jed match, it's free.
Speaker 3: You could have.
Speaker 4: Done any of these at home DNA kids on their website.
Speaker 4: You could go to it for free and upload your
Speaker 4: DNA results to the to their website from these other companies,
Speaker 4: and it's free, and they have one of the largest
Speaker 4: and it's a forensic tool. And not only that, but
Speaker 4: they also have several tools that are for the person
Speaker 4: that is wanting to explore their family history, so they
Speaker 4: have those as well.
Speaker 3: So it's a double you know, it's a double hitter there.
Speaker 4: They could go in there and they could download their
Speaker 4: history from these other test kits, and they could also
Speaker 4: help solve crimes, you know, bye by by discovering their genealogy.
Speaker 4: So jed match is a great company, and we really
Speaker 4: want to we really want to force that because it
Speaker 4: was one one tree, one family that from what I
Speaker 4: understand in standing, got him, uh, the Golden State killer caught.
Speaker 4: You know, they were just waiting, They're just sitting there,
Speaker 4: they have it all out there. They're like, we need
Speaker 4: one more person to help fill in this gap, and
Speaker 4: they got that gap filled and bam, there their verson was.
Speaker 4: And you know, so you could help solve crimes bye
Speaker 4: by doing that.
Speaker 1: Chris Hansen joining us star off have a seat with
Speaker 1: Chris Hansen who has stung so many people, caught so
Speaker 1: many predators. How will this work practically speaking?
Speaker 8: Well, I think practically speaking, people will have have a
Speaker 8: place to go to get help. You know, we see
Speaker 8: this all the time, Nancy. There are not resources easily
Speaker 8: accessible for people whose children have been victimized by predators online.
Speaker 8: How to teach your children how to be safe online.
Speaker 8: I'm on a sting right now for my streaming crime
Speaker 8: network True Blue, the Takedown Predator series, and it's just
Speaker 8: not about catching people, it's how to make people safer.
Speaker 8: And by going out and catching these guys, as you say,
Speaker 8: appropriately mentioned, we prevent others from taking place. I mean,
Speaker 8: think about Brian Coberger for a minute. Do you think,
Speaker 8: God forbid, had he not been caught in this case,
Speaker 8: what's he scheming right now? What's going to get him off?
Speaker 8: Nothing but another killing? This guy was he would have
Speaker 8: gone on and on and on until he was caught.
Speaker 8: And thank god he was caught here. And it's just
Speaker 8: too bad this horrible case wasn't prevented. But you know,
Speaker 8: to harness the energy of the Gonsalveas family and everybody
Speaker 8: else involved here, I think it's just such a powerful
Speaker 8: tool in crime fighting. I can think of nothing better
Speaker 8: to be involved with.
Speaker 1: To Andy Cohn joining US Director of Victim Services at
Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers Houston, also working with Murder has a Name,
Speaker 1: what is your vision of how this will work? Practically speaking?
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you identify the cases that need
Speaker 1: funding to get DNA results?
Speaker 6: You know, Once we get this out to the public,
Speaker 6: I think we're going to get a lot of hits.
Speaker 6: People are going to be reaching out to us. And
Speaker 6: I do want to say one thing to the killers
Speaker 6: that are out there that are thinking, you know, I
Speaker 6: got away with it, Guess what We're coming after you.
Speaker 6: We're going to find you, We're going to arrest you,
Speaker 6: and we're going to do everything in our power to
Speaker 6: make sure that you never breathe free air again. So
Speaker 6: many families are lost in the system, particularly when cases
Speaker 6: go cold and they don't know where they can turn next.
Speaker 6: We're going to do everything we can to make sure
Speaker 6: families all across the country whose cases have gone cold,
Speaker 6: law enforcement is at an end. They don't have anything
Speaker 6: to go on. We're going to let them know that
Speaker 6: we're there and we're going to help them, and we're
Speaker 6: going to get these cases solved. Look at what happened
Speaker 6: just a few weeks ago. They just found another case
Speaker 6: to pin pin on Ted Bundy. They're looking on more cases.
Speaker 6: So the murders that took place in the seventies, in
Speaker 6: the eighties and the nineties that didn't have at the
Speaker 6: time the advancements that we have now we are going
Speaker 6: to solve. And you just saw it last few weeks
Speaker 6: with the Lover's Lane murder, and there's more to come.
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace speaking of cases that could
Speaker 1: be solved in a dam's life saved, I can't help
Speaker 1: but think about a beautiful mother of five. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Rachel Morin. I worked extensively on the case and
Speaker 1: spoke to her mother.
Speaker 3: It felt like.
Speaker 13: It felt like a shadow. It also felt like like
Speaker 13: profound like sadness, emptiness, like I just knew that there
Speaker 13: was something that I think it's just mother's intuition. I
Speaker 13: just knew there was something that wasn't right, that there
Speaker 13: was something terribly wrong, but I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: She found out what it was. Rachel, her daughter, was
Speaker 1: brutally raped and murdered on the Maw and Paw hiking
Speaker 1: trail by a guy that was wont and all we
Speaker 1: had was DNA right out of LA Isn't that right?
Speaker 1: Sydney Sylvanni joining us from Crime Stories. The perp that
Speaker 1: murdered Rachel Morin had gone into a home. Here you
Speaker 1: see the video of him leaving the home, but don't
Speaker 1: see his face. He goes into a home in La
Speaker 1: assaults a minor and walks out in broad dal Practically
Speaker 1: he's caught on video, but just his back and many
Speaker 1: people thought this was some consensual incident because he didn't
Speaker 1: seem worried at all. He didn't even run. Then we
Speaker 1: find out the same Purp murders Rachel Moron, same Purp
Speaker 1: right Sydney. Yes, same guy.
Speaker 12: These two crimes, committed across the country from each other,
Speaker 12: were connected from DNA from familial DNA. Investigators traveled all
Speaker 12: the way to South America to catch this perp.
Speaker 14: Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before
Speaker 14: midnight our time, policed in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our
Speaker 14: federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez.
Speaker 14: So far, we have learned that the suspect now pictured
Speaker 14: on the screens is a twenty three year old citizen
Speaker 14: of El Salvador who illegally crossed the border into the
Speaker 14: United States in February of twenty twenty three. We all
Speaker 14: suspected that perhaps Rachel was not his first victim, and
Speaker 14: it's my understanding that this suspect, this monster, fled to
Speaker 14: the United States illegally after committing the brutal murder of
Speaker 14: a young woman in El Salvador a month early in
Speaker 14: January of twenty twenty three. Once in our country, and
Speaker 14: likely emboldened by his anonymity, he brutally attacked nine year
Speaker 14: old girl and her mother during a home invasion in
Speaker 14: March of twenty twenty three in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Murder has a Name now founded by the Gonsolvist family
Speaker 1: partnering with others, will not have boundaries. Geographical boundaries. DNA
Speaker 1: can track you whether you're DNA's in a data bank
Speaker 1: through Interpol I Familia Europol Information System PERUME framework with
Speaker 1: the EU International Nucleotide Sequence Database collaboration all around the world.
Speaker 1: DNA doesn't know geographical boundaries. So these are just a
Speaker 1: few of the cases. Tracy Broco, who is now executive
Speaker 1: director Murder has a Name. These are just some of
Speaker 1: the cases that were solved by DNA. That's how they
Speaker 1: were solved, and that's why it's so significant that the
Speaker 1: Gonsolvist family, whose case was cracked with DNA, is leading
Speaker 1: the charge. What Tracy, do you want us to do
Speaker 1: to help you? Nancy?
Speaker 10: I think you've been a great, big voice in this.
Speaker 3: You have helped.
Speaker 10: I've heard so many things that you've done to help them.
Speaker 10: Chris has helped, Andy's helped.
Speaker 3: We just need the public to help now. We need
Speaker 3: people to donate.
Speaker 10: We need people to know where their money is going.
Speaker 10: Just because a case has not been solved doesn't mean
Speaker 10: it can't be solved.
Speaker 3: It will be solved.
Speaker 10: And to echo Andy, we are joining forces with the
Speaker 10: police department, with every entity that we can to come
Speaker 10: for you. We are going to help them bring you down.
Speaker 10: You're not going to keep doing what you're doing to
Speaker 10: the public and hurting these families.
Speaker 1: Andy Kahn joining US Crime Stoppers, Houston, who is now
Speaker 1: an ambassador for the Gonsolvace who's new foundation, Murder has
Speaker 1: a name. That's what I always ask, what can I do?
Speaker 1: What can we do? Give us something to do to
Speaker 1: help you, to to help Christy, to help Steve, to
Speaker 1: help Chris Hansen, Just tell me what do you want
Speaker 1: us to do.
Speaker 6: Once we get everything launched out there, the public will
Speaker 6: be able to first sign up and request help. And
Speaker 6: of course, being a nonprofit, you know donations, that's what's
Speaker 6: going to keep this to the foundation floating. All the
Speaker 6: funds that the foundation is going to get are going
Speaker 6: to be going towards getting the DNA matches. None of
Speaker 6: us are getting paid. We're all volunteers. None of us
Speaker 6: are going on junkets or anything like that. This is
Speaker 6: strictly to help families get their cases solved and to
Speaker 6: give them hope. So again, this is not a state
Speaker 6: This is a national issue with hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 6: unsolved homicides, sexual assaults, and other violent crimes. And you
Speaker 6: mentioned this early on in the segment, that lack of
Speaker 6: funding has caused so many cases DNA just to sit
Speaker 6: there and wait to be tested. That's absurd and that
Speaker 6: shouldn't happen in this day and age. And that's what
Speaker 6: we're gonna do by raising funds and get these cases tested,
Speaker 6: get the DNA tested, and get predators like the Golden
Speaker 6: Gate killer and many others off the streets so they
Speaker 6: can't harm another person.
Speaker 1: Chris Hanson joining us, who has partnered with the Gonsolvist family.
Speaker 1: He is the star of Have a Seat with Chris
Speaker 1: Hansen podcast and he is world known for solving cases
Speaker 1: catching predators. So Chris tell us, even if it's an
Speaker 1: echo of what Andy and Tracy have said. Tell us
Speaker 1: what you want us to do to help you and
Speaker 1: to help the Gonsolvist family, We'll do it.
Speaker 8: I think people need to sign up, people need to
Speaker 8: get involved, people need to say, Okay, this hasn't happened
Speaker 8: to me. I pray that it won't. I pray that
Speaker 8: it doesn't happen to anybody else either. But you and
Speaker 8: I know, the sad reality is these predators are out there.
Speaker 8: We did a sting a few weeks ago in Louisiana.
Speaker 8: One guy shows up to meet a child. He's an
Speaker 8: illegal immigrant from Honduras. Unbeknownst to us Nancy, his cousin
Speaker 8: was hiding in the car he parked outside the stinghouse.
Speaker 8: They were going to grab this girl, a fifteen year
Speaker 8: old girl according to the scenario, and tak her likely
Speaker 8: anti human trafficking. This is happening every day. That could
Speaker 8: have been a homicide. So we're doing our part with
Speaker 8: our stories on True Blue Take Down have a seat
Speaker 8: with Chris Hansen, just like you're doing here. And I'm
Speaker 8: asking people to as much as they can sign up
Speaker 8: and do their part in this effort and help murder
Speaker 8: has a name, so that when these horrific things happen,
Speaker 8: we can catch the killer, catch the perpetrator, and prevent
Speaker 8: it from happening to someone else.
Speaker 1: Christy and Steve Gonsalves joining us, the parents of Kelly Gonsolvis,
Speaker 1: and they're charging forward, they're soldiering on and if they
Speaker 1: can do it, certainly we can join together to help
Speaker 1: them to Christy Gonsolvis, Kelly's mom. After Kelley was murdered
Speaker 1: by Brian Coburger. What were those days like when you
Speaker 1: were waiting for a resolution. There is no closure. I
Speaker 1: hate when people say that, because your life is never
Speaker 1: ever going to be the same ever, but resolution. When
Speaker 1: you were waiting to find out who did this thing.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely absolute, utter despair.
Speaker 4: It was every emotion you could possibly fear, phil It
Speaker 4: was fear that it was sadness, it was anger. You know,
Speaker 4: we had two young kids still living at home, we
Speaker 4: had older kids. We didn't know if Kaylie was the target,
Speaker 4: if our family now is the target.
Speaker 3: Because you had no idea who it was. It was just.
Speaker 4: Helplessness, hopelessness, and those seven weeks of all this time
Speaker 4: that we've gone through, have it were the worst and
Speaker 4: It breaks my heart as a mother thinking that people
Speaker 4: go even a day longer than that seven weeks that
Speaker 4: we had to go through because it was not livable.
Speaker 3: I don't know how we lived it.
Speaker 4: I don't know how we survived those weeks of not knowing.
Speaker 3: So for me to be able to give an answer to.
Speaker 4: Some of these people who have just waited for all this,
Speaker 4: all these years, decades, even if it's a year, even
Speaker 4: if it's six months.
Speaker 3: I know what that feels like.
Speaker 4: And I want to give that to another mother, another father,
Speaker 4: a grandmother, a grandfather, a brother, a sister.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to say that.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously we can't solve these crimes ourselves, but
Speaker 4: we could help fund them and be a part of it.
Speaker 4: And that to me is everything, because not knowing is
Speaker 4: the absolute worst.
Speaker 3: There's nothing worse nothing.
Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves, Kelly's dad has been very outspoken, as he
Speaker 1: should be after the murder of his girl. What were
Speaker 1: those days like for you after Kelley was murdered by
Speaker 1: Brian Coburger and there was no resolution.
Speaker 5: Being the leader of my family, I I looked at
Speaker 5: all of us and just said, we are going to
Speaker 5: do something. We are going to call people, We are
Speaker 5: going to make emails. We are going to be a
Speaker 5: part of whoever did this to your sister or not
Speaker 5: just going to take that and just wait for stuff
Speaker 5: to happen. We're going to make things happen. And that's
Speaker 5: that's never stopped. I remember thinking to myself, how do
Speaker 5: I go to sleep at night when something like this happens.
Speaker 5: There's so much injustice that just happened to me, And
Speaker 5: can I really rest right now? Is there some more
Speaker 5: I could do? And it always felt like there was
Speaker 5: more I could do. And then when we finally get
Speaker 5: the person and you know the case, we were ready
Speaker 5: to go to trial and that got canceled. And one
Speaker 5: of the good things about this is we can tell
Speaker 5: everybody on our Facebook page that we are going that's
Speaker 5: what their money went to. We had we did a
Speaker 5: gofund me for going to court. Well, now that money's
Speaker 5: rolling in and hundreds of thousands of people are actually
Speaker 5: going to be playing a part of Murder has a
Speaker 5: Name Because we asked, you know who wants refund and
Speaker 5: only one person wanted to refund. Everyone else said hey,
Speaker 5: keep it, do something, go vacation. We didn't use that
Speaker 5: for a vacation. We use that and it's rolling into
Speaker 5: this and we're going to go help other families, you know,
Speaker 5: solve their cases. We'll close those gaps between funding and
Speaker 5: a lab that's sitting there waiting for funding. We're going
Speaker 5: to be the funding. And I think that's going to change.
Speaker 5: You know, private money being used to solve crimes without
Speaker 5: taxpayers is a really good strategy to scare criminals to
Speaker 5: thinking to themselves, it might not be possible for me
Speaker 5: to get away with this, and let's hope that's what
Speaker 5: we can do, is to start showing people in highlighting
Speaker 5: with with you know, channels like you that this is
Speaker 5: this isn't going to keep working. Science is catching up.
Speaker 4: Crimes are getting harder and harder to commit because people
Speaker 4: are getting really, really good at solving things.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, science has come a long long way.
Speaker 3: And may your skillers are over, they're over.
Speaker 8: Let's let's make it over.
Speaker 5: Guys that you want to play a part, go to
Speaker 5: our foundation, talk to us, give us, give us a name.
Speaker 5: If you've been in justice and you have a case,
Speaker 5: we will get it and we will research it and
Speaker 5: we will get moving.
Speaker 8: We are here to make things happen.
Speaker 1: And you will make things happen from your mouth to
Speaker 1: God's ear. Just so you know, to the Gonsalvest you
Speaker 1: are a role model. You now have that burden on you,
Speaker 1: and I am sure you welcome it. People that are
Speaker 1: suffering crime victims all around the world see you and
Speaker 1: hear you, and are inspired by you.
Speaker 15: I am. I want to thank the Gonsalvest family. I
Speaker 15: want to thank our friend Chris Hansen, our longtime friend
Speaker 15: Andy Kahan, Tracy Broco, thank you for not just talking
Speaker 15: about it, but doing something about it. Now is the
Speaker 15: time we typically remember an American hero, but tonight I
Speaker 15: want to remember the four beautiful Idaho students that lost
Speaker 15: their lives at the hands of a monster. That would
Speaker 15: be Keeley, Ethan, Maddie and Xenna. Please do not let
Speaker 15: their deaths be in vain for nothing. Here's a chance
Speaker 15: for all of us to do something about it, not
Speaker 15: just talk about it, not just report about it. I
Speaker 15: just read about it, scroll about it online, do something,
Speaker 15: Go to murder has a Name, and be inspired.
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,