THE "NEW DIDDIES" ALEXANDER BROTHERS CONVICTED ON MULTIPLE SEX ASSAULT CHARGES, DEMAND SENTENCING DATE BE POSTPONED
The Alexander brothers, Alon, Oren, and Tal, found guilty by a federal jury in Manhattan on 10 counts of sex trafficking, sexual abuse, and sexual exploitation. Now their sentencing hearing has been delayed from August to October. During the five-week trial, 11 women gave graphic testimony detailing how the brothers lured them with opulent trips and parties, where they were drugged, sexually assaulted, and sometimes recorded without their consent. Prosecutors spoke to over 60 victims. The convictions carry a maximum penalty of up to life in federal prison. Their defense team has stated they plan to appeal the verdict.
The brothers continue to face pending state criminal charges in Florida, which have been put on hold pending their federal sentencing. In addition to the criminal trials, the brothers are dealing with a multitude of civil and defamation lawsuits filed by survivors seeking accountability and damages.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Neama Rahmani – Former Federal Prosecutor-turned-Trial Attorney; Author: “Harvard to Hashtag;” INSTAGRAM: @Neamarahmani/ X: @NeamaRahmani
- Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych/FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Bill Daly – Former FBI Investigator and Forensic Photography, Security Expert
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn’s Warriors, Host of Lynn’s Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors Youtube: @LynnsWarriors
- Christina Aguayo – National News Anchor, Salem News Channel; Facebook: @ChristinaAguayoNews, Instagram: @Christina.AguayoNe
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: What do the so called New Ditties, the Alexander brothers
Speaker 2: convicted on multiple counts of sex trafficking, drugging women and
Speaker 2: raping them, What do they have in common with the
Speaker 2: so called health care assassin Luigi Mangioni. One thing, Mark Agnifilo,
Speaker 2: the defense attorney that represented Sean P. Diddy Combs. And
Speaker 2: at this hour they're all fighting over Agnifilo. Wow, I'm
Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
Speaker 2: you for being with us. Three months after the infamous
Speaker 2: real estate moguls, the so called New Didties, A Lawn
Speaker 2: Alexander or In Alexander and Tal Alexander were convicted on
Speaker 2: multiple federal accounts of sex trafficking. A judge has agreed
Speaker 2: to put they're sentencing off. Why because their lawyer is
Speaker 2: Mark Agnifilo. And right now, Agnifilo, along with his other client,
Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni, the so called healthcare assassin, is looking down
Speaker 2: the wrong end of a barrel of a trial date.
Speaker 2: That's right, Mangioni going to trial, So Agnifilo is left
Speaker 2: juggling clients. In an order filed by US District Court
Speaker 2: judge Valerie Caomproni. She agreed to push back the Alexander
Speaker 2: Brothers sentencing date, stating, quote, absent extraordinary cause, this date
Speaker 2: will not be extended further. I'm sure the victims want
Speaker 2: the sentencing done and done. They want it over. They're
Speaker 2: sick of this. It's like reopening a horrible wound every
Speaker 2: time they have to come to court. What happened in
Speaker 2: the case against the so called New Ditties.
Speaker 3: A trio I'm brother luxury real estate agents to the
Speaker 3: super rich, indicted on federal sex trafficking and battery charges.
Speaker 1: Claims go back more than a.
Speaker 2: Decade, claims going back more than a decade. Try two decades. Now,
Speaker 2: forty women that we know of the claiming these filled
Speaker 2: the rich real estate moguls took part in rape after
Speaker 2: rape after systematic rape, and that the allegations go back
Speaker 2: to when they were in high school.
Speaker 1: All that money, all.
Speaker 2: That privilege and education has bought them a one way
Speaker 2: ticket to hell with a pitstop and the federal penitentiary.
Speaker 1: That's my prediction.
Speaker 2: But I want you to hear what Damian Williams, the
Speaker 2: US attorney, has to say.
Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips
Speaker 4: with paid for the flights or accommodations for the women
Speaker 4: on these trips, and at times the defendants handpicked the
Speaker 4: women to invite. Another time they use paid party promoters
Speaker 4: to source women for them.
Speaker 1: The indictment also.
Speaker 4: Alleges that in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers
Speaker 4: and others procured drugs that they agreed to provide to
Speaker 4: the women, including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB as.
Speaker 1: We allege that these drugs cause some of.
Speaker 4: The women to be physically unable to fight back or
Speaker 4: to escape.
Speaker 2: Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty
Speaker 2: or should I say the new ditties?
Speaker 1: Now that's what the US.
Speaker 2: Attorney is saying for the US attorney for the Southern District.
Speaker 2: But I want you to look at Orrin Alexander on
Speaker 2: the founder.
Speaker 1: Having the ability to work with my brothers.
Speaker 3: Have a partner with your brother, now, just think about that.
Speaker 2: For defects.
Speaker 5: The biggest issue you have in partners shift is to
Speaker 5: trust and knowing that you don't have to worry.
Speaker 1: Honey, you got something to worry about.
Speaker 2: Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies
Speaker 2: against you.
Speaker 1: Let's just analyze what we just and that's where our friends.
Speaker 2: That from the founder on YouTube, that's orin Alexander one
Speaker 2: of the and I mean.
Speaker 1: Filed the rich rolling in money.
Speaker 2: That's or in Alexander quote having the ability to work
Speaker 2: with my brother, to have a partner who's your brother.
Speaker 1: You know, just think about that for a second. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2: The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and
Speaker 2: knowing you don't have to worry.
Speaker 1: Okay, what happened with me?
Speaker 2: An All Star panel, Let's get to it straight out
Speaker 2: to Christina Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel. Christina,
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I'm really curious about
Speaker 2: how much money these two have. And this goes all
Speaker 2: the way back. Their family is wealthy, their grandfather wealthy,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, kind of like Luigi MANNGIONI just
Speaker 2: all that money to silver spoons in the mouth.
Speaker 1: And yet this what happened, Christina.
Speaker 6: You know, actually I think it started way back when
Speaker 6: they were in high school. As people are now starting
Speaker 6: to come out and say that they actually had a
Speaker 6: sex fan that was parked in front of their parents
Speaker 6: forty million dollars beachfront of state where the boys, the
Speaker 6: brothers in high school, would take women to have sex.
Speaker 7: In that bus in front of their parents' house.
Speaker 6: So this has been behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps
Speaker 6: by their parents, all the way through. Then you add
Speaker 6: the hundreds of millions of dollars in properties that these
Speaker 6: brothers have sold and the security business, and they're pretty
Speaker 6: much running around town doing anything that they want, including,
Speaker 6: according to prosecutors, drugging women raping women. Each brother has
Speaker 6: separately been accused of at least ten rapes, ten forcible
Speaker 6: rapes by women, and prosecutors are saying that.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Christina, Christina Ohio.
Speaker 2: Hold on, wait a minute, we were just looking at them.
Speaker 2: Karen Stark, why is it so hard for people to
Speaker 2: believe that super wealthy, college educated, great job guys can
Speaker 2: commit heinous crimes?
Speaker 1: That's what he posted on his own Facebook.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, well, I really believe, Nancy, when people see
Speaker 8: this outward of parents, they're dressed so well, they look
Speaker 8: so terrific that they buy that that they believe that
Speaker 8: that's what they really like, and they have no idea
Speaker 8: what's going on behind the scene. And actually the fact
Speaker 8: that he says he trusts his brother. I was thinking, yeah,
Speaker 8: they trust all of them trust each other in supporting
Speaker 8: the crimes that they committed, which made it even worse
Speaker 8: because they were encouraged.
Speaker 2: Nima Ramani is joining us high profile lawyer out of
Speaker 2: the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor,
Speaker 2: president of the West Coast Trial Lawyers and author of
Speaker 2: Harvard to hashtag.
Speaker 1: Nima, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2: Many people not familiar with our world of crime would say.
Speaker 1: Hey, why do they have to rape women? With good looks?
Speaker 2: Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they
Speaker 2: look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all
Speaker 2: that money, they could get any woman they want, so
Speaker 2: why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually
Speaker 2: worked on juries before Nima.
Speaker 7: It has.
Speaker 9: But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women. We're
Speaker 9: talking about drug induced orgies right where multiple men, including
Speaker 9: the two brothers, are allegedly having sex with the same woman. So, yeah,
Speaker 9: women might want to have sex with a handsome, wealthy man,
Speaker 9: but not get in a situation where they're having an
Speaker 9: orgy and they are being violated by multiple men.
Speaker 1: Your speaking sense to me. Yes, I know that.
Speaker 2: That's my point, Nima, I'm like two steps beyond that.
Speaker 2: Of course, what you just said is right. What I'm
Speaker 2: saying is it would be.
Speaker 1: Argued to a jury. Just look at them.
Speaker 2: Why would they have to women with a pr person
Speaker 2: in other words, basically pimp for pimp for the brothers
Speaker 2: because they could get any woman they want. Therefore, ergo
Speaker 2: they're innocent.
Speaker 10: It's not just any woman, Nancy.
Speaker 9: They need new women every single night, and they want
Speaker 9: to do things to these women that a lot of
Speaker 9: women wouldn't consent to. Now, obviously this is a family show,
Speaker 9: so I'm not going to get into all that. But
Speaker 9: that's why they're using drugs like GHP to drug these
Speaker 9: women so they can't say no.
Speaker 10: That's what this is all about.
Speaker 5: And the tailor's old.
Speaker 9: As time doesn't matter if it's the Alexander Brothers, Diddy,
Speaker 9: I can see that.
Speaker 2: I'm clearly I think you and I have a communication
Speaker 2: problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.
Speaker 2: I'm Lynn Shaw helped me out here founder executive director
Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex attacks on children and women.
Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw, I'm trying to make the point that the
Speaker 2: argument will be made by the defense. I already know
Speaker 2: the facts is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani
Speaker 2: just said, I get it. I've read the indictment. Okay,
Speaker 2: the defense is going to argue at trial they don't
Speaker 2: need to rape women.
Speaker 1: They can get any woman they want. Therefore, this is consensual.
Speaker 2: That's bs It's argued in so many rape cases.
Speaker 11: I call them the Alexander Brothers crime family, and I
Speaker 11: call these dirty Ditty complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are
Speaker 11: so big they're out of control. Again, this is the
Speaker 11: same story we heard with Ditty and others facing charges
Speaker 11: like this, that so many vulnerable girls and women.
Speaker 7: I'm going to throw in the girls again.
Speaker 11: I wish we could get down to were there any
Speaker 11: miners involved, But that will unfold at some point. They
Speaker 11: want to see and live this lifestyle. Many of these
Speaker 11: women were approached online complete strangers, and they said, we'll
Speaker 11: fly you out, we'll give you hotels, we'll give you parties,
Speaker 11: we'll give you clothes. And vulnerable people girls especially really
Speaker 11: want to experience this. I'm here to say if this
Speaker 11: case can help us educate the general public because we're
Speaker 11: hearing about all these you know, dirty ditty We're hearing
Speaker 11: about Tape brothers, We're hearing about Jeffrey Epstein, we're hearing
Speaker 11: about now these criminal Alexander brothers could if it could
Speaker 11: water down eventually.
Speaker 1: My hope is to everyday cases.
Speaker 11: That are happening, that nobody will ever hear those victims,
Speaker 11: see those victims, so we can educate everybody. When they
Speaker 11: offer you something like this, this lifestyle for free, they're
Speaker 11: going to fly you somewhere run in the other direction.
Speaker 11: This is again their powers, their money, their egos, their
Speaker 11: homes overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better
Speaker 11: educating the public, girls and women about all of this.
Speaker 2: Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: Christina Whyo joining me from Salemw's channel, over one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 6: Correct, And I'm I'm sure that's even more than that is.
Speaker 6: The parents have offered to put up to one billion
Speaker 6: dollars to get their three boys.
Speaker 7: Out of prison out on bail.
Speaker 6: They've even offered to put them up in a second
Speaker 6: story apartment complex where they're jail time pre trial that
Speaker 6: has no beachfront that has no luxury. That's you know,
Speaker 6: guarded twenty four seven by.
Speaker 2: Guard wha wa wait waite White Christina, Wait, did you
Speaker 2: say the parents want to get them out of jail
Speaker 2: on a billion as in brother b brother billion dollar bail.
Speaker 1: And the jail is because they don't have.
Speaker 6: A beach, they won't have a lot of view, they
Speaker 6: won't have any orgies, and it won't be luxury. So
Speaker 6: that's what they're considering to be jail. And yes, up
Speaker 6: to one billion with a beat is what they're to
Speaker 6: put up to get their three sons out of prison.
Speaker 2: Bill Day, it's the ditties, It's the new ditties because
Speaker 2: all the money, the procuring the women, making other people
Speaker 2: be your hench person to bring women to you, to
Speaker 2: drug them and rap them.
Speaker 1: Those are the allegations that presumed innocent.
Speaker 2: But also is Luigi Mangioni all over again. Here is
Speaker 2: a rich brat kid whining about how US common people
Speaker 2: have to live with the healthcare industry while he's in
Speaker 2: a beach front Hawaii luxury high rise condo. His great
Speaker 2: grandparents and grandparents and broke their backs coming to this
Speaker 2: country and becoming millionaires, working up.
Speaker 1: From nothing nothing passing it down.
Speaker 2: So Luigi MANGIONI could whine in his luxury condo, these
Speaker 2: two same thing.
Speaker 1: Bill.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and in this case they've actually built their business,
Speaker 12: build their brand.
Speaker 5: They now feel omnipotent.
Speaker 12: I mean they have money, they're traveling with celebrities, they're
Speaker 12: flying on private jets.
Speaker 5: You know, they're selling these huge.
Speaker 12: Multi multimillion dollar properties that are getting headlines in all
Speaker 12: kinds of media, including their own real estate empire. So
Speaker 12: you know, these are the paper people. If I put
Speaker 12: a profile around the FBI profile, but I know enough
Speaker 12: of them to speak about how these people become it
Speaker 12: can become emboldened, emblazoned. It's both feeding the ego as
Speaker 12: well as also just their ability to control things. So
Speaker 12: they like to be able to control everything, whether it's
Speaker 12: the deal or people.
Speaker 2: Yes, what I got a superseding indictment that that's making
Speaker 2: Nima Ramani just clench because when you see the FEDS
Speaker 2: have a superseding indictment, this is for conspiracy to commit
Speaker 2: sex trafficking on these rich brats.
Speaker 1: That means, hey, we have one go at you, but
Speaker 1: we're not through.
Speaker 2: We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with
Speaker 2: more charges it supersedes the previous indictment. Yeah, they may
Speaker 2: be rolling in money, but apparently the Feds don't care
Speaker 2: so exactly. Who are the so called real estate Bros.
Speaker 3: There are three Alexander brothers. Two of the brothers are
Speaker 3: twins Or and Alan, their older brother Tall, Tall and
Speaker 3: or In Alexander are known in the world of high
Speaker 3: priced real estate, having broken to a forty nine million
Speaker 3: dollar deal for their dad in twenty twelve and a
Speaker 3: two hundred and forty million dollar deal for a Manhattan
Speaker 3: condos sale in twenty nineteen, while Orn's twin brother Alan
Speaker 3: attended law school before joining the family's private security company
Speaker 3: Kin Security.
Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: Well the so called New Ditties, the Alexander Bros. I've
Speaker 2: gotten another lucky break. Their lawyer, Sean Combs's lawyer, Mark Agniffolo,
Speaker 2: is also representing the healthcare assass in Luigi Mangioni. Mangioni
Speaker 2: is set to go to trial that takes precedence over
Speaker 2: a sentencing hearing. So the real Estate Bros aka the
Speaker 2: New Ditties are catching a break. They have more time
Speaker 2: to prepare for sentencing. They're whining and crying and begging
Speaker 2: to the judge. I hope the victims have been told
Speaker 2: about the sentencing delay. They need to be in court
Speaker 2: in force the day of sentencing. That said, what is
Speaker 2: the evidence against the so called new ditties?
Speaker 13: In a fifteen million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the
Speaker 13: Alexander Twins Orin and Elon celebrate their twenty eighth birthday.
Speaker 13: Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display
Speaker 13: as a toy for the rich and famous to play
Speaker 13: with as they take turns dripping hot wax on the
Speaker 13: woman setting the tone for the decade, a night that
Speaker 13: awaits those who are rich enough and or familymous enough
Speaker 13: to be invited to the Alexander twins birthday Pash.
Speaker 1: What am I hearing? Wait a minute.
Speaker 2: A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the real
Speaker 2: estate Bros celebrate their twenty eighth birthday. Celebrates greeted by
Speaker 2: a nearly naked woman on display as a toy for
Speaker 2: the rich and famous to play with as they take
Speaker 2: turns dripping hot wax on her.
Speaker 1: Deja vous? Huh does this remind you of anything?
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 1: Diddy?
Speaker 2: There you are nothing like eating sushi off a naked
Speaker 2: lady on display for the rich and famous. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like an echo chamber in here. Well, guess what
Speaker 2: the Feds apparently in this case anyway, don't care how
Speaker 2: rich you are, whether you're eating sushi off a naked
Speaker 2: lady at a luxury party or you have her on
Speaker 2: display so rich people can drip wax on her. Listen
Speaker 2: to the US Attorney for the Southern District, Omni.
Speaker 4: Or the Alexander Brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with each other,
Speaker 4: and sometimes with other men.
Speaker 1: Forcibly raped and assaulted the women.
Speaker 4: As the indictment alleges that Alexander Brothers sex trafficking agreement
Speaker 4: went beyond the planned trips and events. On numerous occasions,
Speaker 4: one or more of the defendants drugged and raped or
Speaker 4: sexually assaulted women they encountered by chance at bars, at nightclubs,
Speaker 4: social events, and dating apps.
Speaker 1: These assaults allegedly.
Speaker 4: Had many of the same hallmarks as the rapes that
Speaker 4: occurred at group events, isolated locations, drug victims, force and
Speaker 4: physical restraint.
Speaker 2: It's really a lot to take in, you know, very often,
Speaker 2: as a former prosecutor prosecuting nothing but violent felonies, myself
Speaker 2: wondering why, for instance, why not just date a woman
Speaker 2: and have a relationship and have sex with her and
Speaker 2: not drug anybody and rape and sodomize them in a party,
Speaker 2: in a party setting.
Speaker 1: With a lot of guys standing around.
Speaker 2: But then I realized, about five years into that kind
Speaker 2: of thinking, why ask why? It doesn't matter. I had
Speaker 2: one job to seek the truth. Who did, what, where, when?
Speaker 1: And why?
Speaker 2: Why not so much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen,
Speaker 2: it's not about sex.
Speaker 1: That's a simple answer for me.
Speaker 2: Why don't the real estate bros with all their money
Speaker 2: and all their high rise to just go date somebody
Speaker 2: and have a sex life.
Speaker 1: It's not about the sex. What is it.
Speaker 8: It's a perversion, Nancy. They're getting off on raping, sateomizing.
Speaker 8: A normal relationship the kind that you're referring to does
Speaker 8: not excite them. They have gotten used to this kind
Speaker 8: of rape and violence since they were in high school,
Speaker 8: and this is what gets them excited. Nothing else.
Speaker 2: Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. These wild, extravagant
Speaker 2: parties that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 1: Were not parties at all. They were just a.
Speaker 2: Russ to find sex assault victims for the New Deities.
Speaker 3: Listen, the fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been
Speaker 3: a cover for something sinister pre planned by the Alexander brothers.
Speaker 3: Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible
Speaker 3: rape by at least ten women. All three indicted on
Speaker 3: federal charges of sex trafficking, while the twins aren't in
Speaker 3: a lawn are charged with sexual battery in Florida. The
Speaker 3: Alexanders have denied the allegations in the civil cases, and
Speaker 3: their reps of previous gone so far as to suggest
Speaker 3: the accusers were trying to shake down the brothers.
Speaker 2: Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to
Speaker 2: say deja vu all over again? Why the real estate
Speaker 2: bros Are called the New Diddies? Same thing now they
Speaker 2: called it fabulous parties.
Speaker 1: Diddy calls it freakoffs.
Speaker 4: Combs allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he
Speaker 4: called freakoffs, and he often electronically recorded them.
Speaker 1: The freak offs.
Speaker 4: Sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial sex workers,
Speaker 4: and often involved a variety of narcotics such as ketamine, ecstasy,
Speaker 4: and GHB, which Combs distributed to the victims to keep
Speaker 4: them obedient and compliant, as alleged, when Combs didn't get
Speaker 4: his way, he was violent and he subjected victims of physical, emotional,
Speaker 4: and verbal abuse so that they would participate in the freakoff.
Speaker 2: To Christina Alio, joining US investigative reporter and news anchor,
Speaker 2: the comparison between the real estate Bros And Ditty are inescapable.
Speaker 6: They are They both are basically using their power and
Speaker 6: influence to allegedly drug and rape women. However, the brothers
Speaker 6: have been doing this I think longer than Diddy, all
Speaker 6: the way tracing back to high school. I think they
Speaker 6: were encouraged to do it with their lifestyle and they
Speaker 6: have been described as being very aggressive, very bullish, very
Speaker 6: attackive when it comes to working in business. And also
Speaker 6: you have people from their high school years who are
Speaker 6: coming forward saying that they did it in high school
Speaker 6: and people were scared. Everybody in the community was scared
Speaker 6: to speak out because they had so much power, they
Speaker 6: had so much prominence, because they had so much influence.
Speaker 7: And the same goes for Diddy.
Speaker 6: He has so much power and so much money. People
Speaker 6: don't want to talk out against it. People are scared
Speaker 6: that their careers are going to be ruined.
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2: In the Last Days is so called new Ditties. The
Speaker 2: Alexander brothers get a lucky break. Their lawyer Agnifilo is
Speaker 2: representing Luigi Mangioni, who is heading to trial, so their
Speaker 2: sentencing is delayed, giving them more time to come up
Speaker 2: with reasons why they shouldn't get the max. What exactly
Speaker 2: will the judge be reviewing? Horrific rape diaries kind of
Speaker 2: like blogs were discovered where they made fun of the
Speaker 2: victims somewhat of a quote playbook.
Speaker 14: First witness in the sex trafficking trial involving three brothers,
Speaker 14: two of whom our prominent real estate brokers, recounted her
Speaker 14: harrowing experience on Tuesday. The excitement of attending a party
Speaker 14: at actor zach Ephron's apartment swiftly turned into a nightmare
Speaker 14: when hours later one of the brothers assaulted her in
Speaker 14: their residence. Her throughout the ordeal. The woman who spoke
Speaker 14: under a fictitious name is among several alleged victims slated
Speaker 14: to testify against tal Orrin and Alan Alexander, who faced
Speaker 14: accusations of drugging and raping women and girls over several years.
Speaker 14: Defense attorneys for the brothers assert that the encounters were consensual.
Speaker 14: Prosecutors alleged that the Alexander brothers exploited their connections to
Speaker 14: wealthy and influential people to entice multiple victims. The witness
Speaker 14: explained that she was just twenty years old and studying
Speaker 14: anthropology when she met two of the brothers at a
Speaker 14: party at Ephron's New York City apartment. She had accompanied
Speaker 14: a friend who had recently befriended Tal Alexander, who invited
Speaker 14: them to watch the final game of the twenty twelve
Speaker 14: NBA Finals. She noted that their interaction with Ephron was minimal,
Speaker 14: as he is not implicated in any wrongdoing. After the game,
Speaker 14: she attended an after party at a Manhattan night club,
Speaker 14: where she accepted a drink and lost concient sciousness. She
Speaker 14: later woke up in a different apartment, naked with a lawn,
Speaker 14: Alexander standing over her, also unclothed. Despite her attempts to rise,
Speaker 14: he repeatedly pushed her back down, leading her to declare,
Speaker 14: I don't want to have sex with you, she said.
Speaker 14: He laughed and responded, you already did. She recounted how
Speaker 14: he then forced himself on her. During the assault, Tle
Speaker 14: Alexander briefly entered the room but did not intervene, leaving
Speaker 14: her feeling that he was quote super nonchalant about the
Speaker 14: whole thing. Assistant US Attorney Madison Smires, in her opening
Speaker 14: remarks to the jury, described the Alexander brothers as perpetrators
Speaker 14: masquerading as party boys. She stated that they employed various tactics,
Speaker 14: including luxury, accommodations, flights, drugs, alcohol, and sometimes physical force
Speaker 14: to manipulate women into compromising situations. Defense attorney Teeny garret Ghos,
Speaker 14: representing Orin Alexander, urged the jury to dismiss the prosecutions
Speaker 14: munster as story. Garregos portrayed the brothers, who graduated from
Speaker 14: college in two thousand and eight, as ambitious and occasionally
Speaker 14: arrogant young men navigating the nightlife scene in search of
Speaker 14: romantic encounters, arguing that while their behavior may seem immoral,
Speaker 14: it is not criminal. She suggested that some accusers were
Speaker 14: pursuing lawsuits for financial gain and only labeled themselves as
Speaker 14: victims after regretting their choices, such as using illegal drugs
Speaker 14: or engaging in sexual activities outside their current relationships. Attorney
Speaker 14: Deana Paul, representing Tal Alexander, cautioned the jury that the
Speaker 14: trial's subject matter could be distressing, like to an R
Speaker 14: rated movie, and emphasizing the prosecution's portrayal of the brothers
Speaker 14: as quote monsters. In a courtroom sketch, the three brothers
Speaker 14: a Lawn or In Tal Alexander were seen in Manhattan
Speaker 14: Federal Court on the opening day of trial January twenty seven.
Speaker 14: Tal and or In Alexander specialized in high end real
Speaker 14: liation state in cities like Miami, New York, and LA
Speaker 14: while their brother Alan earned a law degree and managed
Speaker 14: the family's private security business. Tallis thirty nine. The twins
Speaker 14: Alan In Orran are thirty eight. The indictment claims the
Speaker 14: men conspired to lure women to vacation spots like the
Speaker 14: Hamptons by offering flights and luxurious accommodations. Since their arrest
Speaker 14: in Miami in December of twenty twenty four, the brothers
Speaker 14: have been held without bail. During her testimony on Tuesday,
Speaker 14: the first witness described how she escaped the room where
Speaker 14: Alan Alexander had attacked her after he fell asleep despite
Speaker 14: the emotional weight of her testimony, She maintained her composure
Speaker 14: for the most part, though she became visibly upset at times,
Speaker 14: particularly when she reflected on reaching out to a friend
Speaker 14: years later after the incident to remind herself that she
Speaker 14: was still love.
Speaker 15: This week, an FBI special agent presented jurors with detailed
Speaker 15: charts showing years of emails and text messages. Prosecutors argue
Speaker 15: reveal patterns of coordination and planning among the brothers dating
Speaker 15: back to two thousand and nine. One accuser, identified in
Speaker 15: court as Victim twenty, testified that she met Orin Alexander
Speaker 15: during a ski trip in Aspen and soon became heavily
Speaker 15: intoxicated after drinking champagne with him and his brother tal
Speaker 15: She told jurors that she regained partial awareness to find
Speaker 15: Orin on top of her, and then she felt confused, sore,
Speaker 15: and humiliated. The next day, she also testified she later
Speaker 15: learned that she had contracted chlamydia from Orin. Defense attorneys, however,
Speaker 15: have aggressively challenged the credibility of accusers, pointing to flirtatious messages,
Speaker 15: gaps in memory, and continued contact with the brothers after
Speaker 15: the alleged assaults. The defense has argued these interactions were consensual,
Speaker 15: while highlighting inconsistencies in witness testimony.
Speaker 2: The Alexander brother is so called real estate bros rolling
Speaker 2: in money, also called the New Ditties. All of their
Speaker 2: trouble started, well, it really started all the way back
Speaker 2: in high school when they're accused of sex assaulting women
Speaker 2: all the way back then, but the current day problems
Speaker 2: I EI.
Speaker 1: Their rape charges.
Speaker 2: All started when one woman spoke out.
Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, the rapes.
Speaker 2: And sex assaults have been going on for years and
Speaker 2: years and years until this woman spoke out.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: The Alexander brothers fall from grace begins when the Real
Speaker 3: Deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims Kay
Speaker 3: Wyman and Rebecca Mandel. Wyman alleges the brothers abducted her
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve and brought her to a Hampton's party
Speaker 3: palace in Watermill, Long Island, where the brothers allegedly dragged
Speaker 3: her into a large bedroom where she was sexually assaulted, abused, raped, pinned, groped,
Speaker 3: harassed and fondled by a lawn and or in Alexander.
Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing?
Speaker 2: Linn Shaw joining us and Lynn's Warriors, how it only
Speaker 2: takes one person, one person to stand up and be counted,
Speaker 2: one person to speak out, even though they may be
Speaker 2: afraid for the whole house of cards to fall down.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will
Speaker 11: give you safety, we will give you guardrails, we will
Speaker 11: stand next to you. That is what I'm hoping all
Speaker 11: of these dirty ditties and this Alexander Brothers crime family
Speaker 11: will bring more public awareness again watering down to you know,
Speaker 11: maybe that team that lives in the Bronx or something
Speaker 11: like that, that they can come forward. We will take
Speaker 11: care of them. But I want to point something out.
Speaker 11: There is so much video evidence here, and I want
Speaker 11: to go back to what happened with all those videos
Speaker 11: where they upload it to porn sites? Was there millions
Speaker 11: of dollars? Because we do a lot of work with this.
Speaker 2: One a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly right
Speaker 2: straight out to Christina at Yo joining US news anchor
Speaker 2: and investigative reporter. What are the so called trophies of
Speaker 2: the real estate bros That has.
Speaker 1: Just have just been revealed.
Speaker 6: Yes, well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right,
Speaker 6: but It's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence,
Speaker 6: as we just saw with the Cassie and Diddy situation.
Speaker 6: Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they
Speaker 6: found a hard drive filled with pictures and videos. They're
Speaker 6: saying in these videos, of course, there's the quote unquote
Speaker 6: Orgys or the sessions where alleged rape is happening. They
Speaker 6: are saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on
Speaker 6: alcohol or maybe even drug. They're saying they're seeing in
Speaker 6: these videos where the brothers are physically manipulating these women's
Speaker 6: bodies to have sex with them. And most of the time,
Speaker 6: they're saying, these women do not know they're being recorded.
Speaker 6: There's this one incident that they explain that a woman
Speaker 6: and a man are having sex in a stall and
Speaker 6: another person is recording over the stall with a camera,
Speaker 6: and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no.
Speaker 6: So it's going to be pretty difficult. For whatever reason
Speaker 6: they kept these videos or they have these videos, it's
Speaker 6: going to be difficult to defend this in court.
Speaker 2: Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken
Speaker 2: over a stall.
Speaker 6: What yep, So a man and a woman were having sex.
Speaker 6: It did in detail if that was forced rape. It
Speaker 6: didn't detail what that was exactly. But there is a
Speaker 6: third person who is holding a video camera up over
Speaker 6: the bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside
Speaker 6: of that stall having sex. And the woman sees the camera.
Speaker 6: She tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And
Speaker 6: that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.
Speaker 6: They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the
Speaker 6: women are asking them to stop.
Speaker 2: Trophies trophies to Nima Romani is joining US former federal prosecutor,
Speaker 2: president of West Coast Trial Lawyers, author of Harvard to
Speaker 2: Hashtag's Nima trophies have been the undoing of so manie
Speaker 2: criminals explain, Oh.
Speaker 10: It's great.
Speaker 9: And if you're a prosecutor, because people can lie. Criminal
Speaker 9: in fendants lie all the time, even witnesses and victims
Speaker 9: can sometimes lie.
Speaker 10: But video doesn't lie.
Speaker 9: And when you have video of these sex acts, that
Speaker 9: is the best evidence when you're a prosecutor. Because really
Speaker 9: there's only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either
Speaker 9: the sexual activity didn't happen, or it was consensual.
Speaker 10: That's it.
Speaker 9: And once you have that video, it certainly takes away
Speaker 9: the first defense, and then when women are being drug
Speaker 9: takes away the second as well. And there's really two
Speaker 9: reasons why people record these sex acts.
Speaker 10: The first is their own deviant sexual pleasure, and I
Speaker 10: think that's probably why Diddy was recording his freak offs.
Speaker 10: But there's the second reason, and that is to have
Speaker 10: control over the victims, potentially blackmail them and say, hey,
Speaker 10: if you come after me, I'm going to leak these videos.
Speaker 2: Christina Awayo, isn't it true that these videos were pulled
Speaker 2: off of a hard drive that was found hidden in
Speaker 2: a closet during a search, Yes, in.
Speaker 6: Tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, so they were really searching. They
Speaker 6: had the warrant to go through everything, and he kept them.
Speaker 6: He kept them on a hard drive. And it's not
Speaker 6: just videos, it's pictures as well. And it goes to
Speaker 6: show that, just like he said, men light women light.
Speaker 6: Witnesses lie perhaps, but the video is not going to lie.
Speaker 6: And this is pretty tough evidence. However, the defense is
Speaker 6: already saying that this doesn't prove anything, This doesn't prove
Speaker 6: a commercial act, this doesn't prove that they were drugged.
Speaker 6: It may prove that they're intoxicated, but he's saying, oh,
Speaker 6: these are just big orgies. Everybody was willing and there
Speaker 6: is nothing going on here, So next story please.
Speaker 1: You know, it reminds me.
Speaker 2: In the last few days, Shawn Comes aka Diddi's defense
Speaker 2: team has stated they want the free call videos to
Speaker 2: be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,
Speaker 2: you know another thing. If it's so innocent, why was
Speaker 2: it hidden in a closet. But thinking about the videos
Speaker 2: the trophies pulled from a hard drive in the Real
Speaker 2: Estate Bros. Cl laws it it reminds me of a
Speaker 2: certain raid that went down on Son Combs's mansion. In
Speaker 2: that case, as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote
Speaker 2: trophies were.
Speaker 1: Obtained during that raid.
Speaker 2: Bill Daily video equipment was reportedly discovered, along with over
Speaker 2: one thousand bottles of lubricant baby oil. Trophies have been
Speaker 2: the bane of many criminals existence why.
Speaker 12: Trophy well, you know, and as if you go to
Speaker 12: other kind of repeat offenders, repeat criminals such as Dennis Raider,
Speaker 12: the bund torture kill fiend, you know, they either keep
Speaker 12: pieces of clothing, they keep some something to remind them something.
Speaker 5: Who's going to get them excited, Something's going to.
Speaker 12: You know, make them remember how how wonderful it was
Speaker 12: that they controlled this person, that they did what they did.
Speaker 5: And so for all these things, it's some.
Speaker 2: Way are you putting perfume on the pig daily, that's
Speaker 2: not like you the souvenirs.
Speaker 1: The trophies, quote get them excited. You may give them
Speaker 1: an direction.
Speaker 12: Well, you know that as well as sharing among other people,
Speaker 12: being able to. In some cases they like to share
Speaker 12: it because they've had this experience of other people. They
Speaker 12: keep it, they look at themselves, you know, maybe other people.
Speaker 5: They let them see that. That all kind of gives
Speaker 5: them a sense of control.
Speaker 12: It goes back to that essence of controlling individuals, controlling
Speaker 12: their environment, doing what they want to do, using that
Speaker 12: leverage over people.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 12: In this case, Nancy, in a very interesting point it
Speaker 12: came up, which is simply we've seen in other cases,
Speaker 12: is that as the FBI is investigating this, reports are
Speaker 12: coming out that multiple victims have the same stories. Again,
Speaker 12: people who've been not connected, not there at the same place,
Speaker 12: same time, but have the same story to tell.
Speaker 5: All of that is extreming.
Speaker 12: And as part of what I believe the fbis and
Speaker 12: the US the Attorney's Office is making their case out
Speaker 12: of is that they have statements, and I would encourage people.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm very curious, Bill Daily. I think this
Speaker 2: goes being on your or my kin colloquial for understanding
Speaker 2: joining me psychologist Karen Stark.
Speaker 1: Everything Bill Daley said is correct, But what.
Speaker 2: Is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason that
Speaker 2: people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the real
Speaker 2: estate bros also called the rape bros.
Speaker 1: But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos
Speaker 1: they're damning.
Speaker 8: It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.
Speaker 8: Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,
Speaker 8: whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms.
Speaker 8: They can do that all over again repeatedly because they
Speaker 8: have these trophies. It's great if it's a video, but
Speaker 8: it can be an airing, It could be a necklace,
Speaker 8: it could be a piece of clothing. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 8: They wind up reliving the excitement that they felt at
Speaker 8: the time and how much they controlled the situation.
Speaker 1: The new didties the three Alexander Bros. The Real Estate Bros.
Speaker 2: Pled not guilty, and the defense did their best to
Speaker 2: kind of paint their behavior as morally disgusting but not criminal. Okay,
Speaker 2: But that defense was blown wide open by a torpedo
Speaker 2: with a resounding jury rate of guilty on all accounts.
Speaker 2: What was the evidence the jury heard?
Speaker 1: For years?
Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and
Speaker 4: international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To
Speaker 4: recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they
Speaker 4: provided material benefits things they travel to, vacation destinations, luxury accommodations,
Speaker 4: and access to other high end experiences.
Speaker 1: Are the claims true?
Speaker 2: Should I believe the Real Estate Bros? Or should I
Speaker 2: believe all of the women now coming forward, some of
Speaker 2: them named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits.
Speaker 1: What's very hard for.
Speaker 2: Many people to understand, including myself, is how the real
Speaker 2: Estate bros. Acted, how they faked a happy home life.
Speaker 3: Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. Alahn married
Speaker 3: Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in May
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty, or In married model Camilla Hanson in
Speaker 3: April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel CogAT in
Speaker 3: October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with a
Speaker 3: judge to let him out as his wife was pregnant
Speaker 3: and do any day. His request was denied.
Speaker 2: That's something the baby can say as it grows up.
Speaker 2: Dad was in jail on rape charges when.
Speaker 1: I was born.
Speaker 2: This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy
Speaker 2: REDIU listen.
Speaker 1: Be happy.
Speaker 5: Two of you get on the phone.
Speaker 2: To veteran try a lawyer, former felanty prosecutor Nima Ramani Nima.
Speaker 1: It would not.
Speaker 2: Be the first time a so called family man was
Speaker 2: ultimately convicted of repeat offenses.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's dentist.
Speaker 2: Raider that Bill Daley brought up earlier, who would sex
Speaker 2: assault and kill so many women and including young girls
Speaker 2: on his dog catching route the whole time. He had
Speaker 2: a family at home and he was a deacon in
Speaker 2: the church.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then you've gotten Gaysey John Wayne Gacy, who would go
Speaker 2: to children's birthday parties to entertain the children dressed as
Speaker 2: a clown.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many boys bodies were pulled out
Speaker 1: of his crawl space.
Speaker 2: Then you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful
Speaker 2: law school student.
Speaker 1: He's a serial killer.
Speaker 2: He goes on and on, and oh do I have
Speaker 2: to say, rex Huerman, the eight hundred pound gorilla in
Speaker 2: the room, the architect by day, serial killer by night,
Speaker 2: with a wife and two children.
Speaker 9: Nancy and Human's wife actually saw some of these sex acts,
Speaker 9: at least allegedly, So this question of what she knew, well,
Speaker 9: this is criminal defense lawyering one oh one. They want
Speaker 9: to show the jurors that the defendant has family support.
Speaker 9: That's why you see Ditty's family at every single appearance.
Speaker 9: That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers to have
Speaker 9: their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce to be
Speaker 9: at those court proceedings, because that's what jurors expect. They
Speaker 9: want to see the family members supporting the folks who
Speaker 9: are accused and are on trap.
Speaker 1: And like Didty, the new.
Speaker 2: Ditties have a fantastical scheme of how they're going to
Speaker 2: stay out of MDC Metropolitan Detention Center listen.
Speaker 3: In a crazy bit to keep their boys out of incarceration.
Speaker 3: The parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide
Speaker 3: private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and
Speaker 3: Orly Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom
Speaker 3: apartment on the eighth floor of a Miami building, emphasizing
Speaker 3: the apartment is non waterfront and non luxury. They promised
Speaker 3: security guards would be stationed around the clock and an
Speaker 3: alarm system would make sure the brothers remain on site.
Speaker 3: The parents also offered to put up to one billion
Speaker 3: dollars bail for their sons to get out of jail.
Speaker 1: In case you.
Speaker 2: Didn't get that, it's one billion as in brother biz
Speaker 2: in brother not million billion. The parents offering to put
Speaker 2: up one billion dollars cash to get their sons out
Speaker 2: of jail. Maybe they were going to put in some
Speaker 2: equity into that, but one billion dollars bail to get
Speaker 2: their sons out and having them imprisoned.
Speaker 1: In a Miami high rise.
Speaker 2: And the suffering part was that they wouldn't get a
Speaker 2: beach front view ouch.
Speaker 1: That has to hurt. How dare you mommy and daddy?
Speaker 1: Christina Yo.
Speaker 2: It's reminiscent of the Last bid, well the last three
Speaker 2: bids by Sean Combs to get out on bid where
Speaker 2: he offered the judge a multimillion dollar bill package. I
Speaker 2: think it was twenty meal and he would stay in
Speaker 2: a Manhattan town home with his own private security guards
Speaker 2: to keep him from raping people.
Speaker 1: Eerie echo, right.
Speaker 7: And that's the draw, right exactly. I promised not to
Speaker 7: rape anybody during this time. I promise that I'm not
Speaker 7: going to have any orgies.
Speaker 6: In fact, I won't even have any women over, So
Speaker 6: that in and of itself is a huge punishment.
Speaker 7: This is the same thing that we're seeing.
Speaker 6: With these brothers, And quite frankly, I don't know how
Speaker 6: much the parents can be trusted in this whole situation,
Speaker 6: because we talk about pretending to have a perfect family.
Speaker 6: But I go back to the sex bus that was
Speaker 6: sitting out side of their forty million dollar home as
Speaker 6: the brothers were in high school, and people have said
Speaker 6: witness testimony, they are saying that back in those days
Speaker 6: that women in the scene in the Miami scene because
Speaker 6: for some reason, high school brothers were in the Miami scene.
Speaker 6: They were warned not to drink any drinks that came
Speaker 6: from the brothers and to stay away from the brothers.
Speaker 13: The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and
Speaker 13: positions to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually
Speaker 13: assault women. So far, more than forty women have come
Speaker 13: forward accusing the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconducts, and
Speaker 13: investigators are asking other women who believe they have been
Speaker 13: assaulted to call. Attorneys for the brothers say they planned
Speaker 13: to plead not guilty to the charges, which, if convicted,
Speaker 13: could lend all three brothers in prison for life.
Speaker 2: As we are discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, right sodomies,
Speaker 2: That's what we're saying. Reportedly date all the way back
Speaker 2: when the real Estate bros Were in high school.
Speaker 16: Listen, news of the arrests start to spread, stories from
Speaker 16: the Alexander brothers high school years come to light. Their
Speaker 16: history of sexual violence dates back decades to their high
Speaker 16: school days in Miami, where they bragged about several gang rapes.
Speaker 16: Prosecutors say each of the victims that the government has
Speaker 16: interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved, including
Speaker 16: Tal Alexander, talked about the assaults at school, boasting about
Speaker 16: running train on their victims and saying they wanted to
Speaker 16: do it.
Speaker 1: Again, you know, Lynn Shaw.
Speaker 2: As many rape and sodomy cases that I've investigated, I
Speaker 2: have tried, have pled out.
Speaker 1: To jail time, have covered. It's still it's disgusting.
Speaker 2: It just makes something and you want to die to
Speaker 2: hear about them bragging about quote running train on the victims,
Speaker 2: which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying they quote
Speaker 2: wanted to do it again. It never ceases to be
Speaker 2: heartbreaking that a victim would go through this.
Speaker 11: Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for
Speaker 11: those that don't have a voice. And I want us
Speaker 11: to focus on two things here. I want us to
Speaker 11: focus on where was mama Alexander. We're talking about a
Speaker 11: sex bus when these trio of triplets, dirty ditty triplets
Speaker 11: were right part right in front of their their multimillion
Speaker 11: dollar mansion. I'm telling you as a mother, I knew
Speaker 11: when my kids moved a throw pillow on my couch.
Speaker 11: Where were the parents at this time and throughout all
Speaker 11: of this. The second thing I want to and we
Speaker 11: have to talk about that because people have to start
Speaker 11: standing up. Where were these parents? They were the talk
Speaker 11: of the town we're hearing, you know, in the Miami,
Speaker 11: Florida area.
Speaker 7: So we should focus on that.
Speaker 11: I also want to focus on You're not going to
Speaker 11: see their wives in court with them. Those women are
Speaker 11: taking their kids and running for the hills. One is
Speaker 11: already filed for divorce. Okay, they're going to turn evidence
Speaker 11: on them. They're beautiful young women, they have some young children,
Speaker 11: a newborn baby.
Speaker 7: They're not sticking around for this.
Speaker 11: And the third thing I want to get back to
Speaker 11: we're not talking enough about is that oldest brother with
Speaker 11: his security firm. There is video evidence. Where are all
Speaker 11: those videos going? I guarantee, I hope we have a
Speaker 11: forensic accountant coming along. That they have been uploaded not
Speaker 11: only to control their victims and to scare them, they
Speaker 11: have been uploaded to porn sites where these monsters make
Speaker 11: millions and millions of.
Speaker 7: Dollars across the globe. And these are things we should
Speaker 7: be looking at.
Speaker 2: The so called new ditties, the Alexander Brose real estate
Speaker 2: multi millionaires and stars in a reality show of their
Speaker 2: own Caught a Break. Their sentencing has been delayed. That
Speaker 2: gives them more time to subpoena fans, family hangers on
Speaker 2: to testify for them at their sentencing hearing. I hope
Speaker 2: you're listening. Crime victims. You need to be in court
Speaker 2: the date of that sentencing, and it has been delayed.
Speaker 2: We wait as justice folds. Nancy Grace Crime Story Signing up, Goodbye,
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