INFANT GIRL, VANESSA, DISAPPEARS NEW HAVEN, MOM FOUND DEAD
In 2019, Christine Holloway, 43, was found dead in her bathtub, beaten. Her 14‑month‑old daughter, Vanessa Morales, vanished. Police arrested Jose Morales, 48, Vanessa's father, for the murder. He testified two intruders broke into the apartment, one of them attacked Holloway with a crowbar, and then took the child. Morales claimed he was high on PCP, unable to stop the attack. Prosecutors alleged Morales struck Holloway repeatedly with a blunt object. He then cleaned the scene for 37 hours, disposing of the blood‑soaked evidence. Morales was convicted in April last year of murder and evidence tampering, sentenced to 65 years in prison.
The child, Vanessa, was last seen two days before her mother's death. An Amber Alert was issued, but she is still missing.
Anyone with information on Vanessa’s disappearance is urged to contact the police department at 203-7351885
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Jodi Jacobellis -Aunt of Vanessa Morales' and sister-in-law of Christine Holloway - who was murdered
- Anna Rodonski - Great Aunt of Vanessa Morales and Aunt of Christine Holloway - who was murdered
- Mike Gould - Former Nassau County (NY) lieutenant and Founding member of the New York Police Department (NYPD) K-9 unit. Former National Guardsman and has worked on secret service detail for two presidents
- Rachel Toles - Clinical and Forensic Psychologist, Author of upcoming book “Inventing the Psychopath: How a Convenient Myth Makes the World More Dangerous,” website: DrRachelToles.com, Instagram / YouTube: TolzHaus, Facebook: DrRachelToles
- Marissa Alter - Lead Reporter, News 12 Connecticut, www.news12.com, Facebook: @MarissaAlterReporter, Instagram: @marissaalternews X: @MarissaAlter
- Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell. Tonight, a precious little
Speaker 1: infant girl, Vanessa, just fourteen months old, disappears out of
Speaker 1: Tony and New Haven, Connecticut. Her mother found dead. Good evening.
Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2: We know where Christine is.
Speaker 3: You know what to hold the baby?
Speaker 2: Yes, Christine's dead.
Speaker 4: It's a homicide. There's nothing that I can tell you.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't I'm not clear.
Speaker 5: Mind the person we're trying to find one year old kid,
Speaker 5: it's some of.
Speaker 3: Those dess it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how you doing this?
Speaker 3: This is Officer Smith Romnstring your police all right, Hey,
Speaker 3: I am the girl here that's saying that she's the
Speaker 3: sister of Christina all the way, all right? Is that
Speaker 3: Christina your girlfriend?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Okay, she's saying that she couldn't contact her all dig today.
Speaker 7: She said that she talked to you today and you
Speaker 7: said you saw her leave this morning in the morning
Speaker 7: to go to work.
Speaker 2: Noboddy, who is she? Who is she?
Speaker 3: When you is that your baby as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay? What is what does she drive two thousand and
Speaker 3: two miles to for Togy? What color is it gold?
Speaker 1: Yeah, mom is found dead, but where is the baby?
Speaker 1: Let's see a photo of baby Vanessa. Do you know
Speaker 1: how many millions of people would pay sixty eighty one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars or more to get a baby like this?
Speaker 1: Where is Vanessa? You were just hearing the nine to
Speaker 1: one one call, joining us an all star panel. But
Speaker 1: before we go to reporters and experts, I want to
Speaker 1: go to two very special guests joining us tonight, Jody
Speaker 1: and Anna. Jody jacob Ella, the aunt of Vanessa Morales,
Speaker 1: and Anna Radonski, also an aunt of Vanessa Morales. Ladies,
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, and I want to
Speaker 1: apologize upfront for making you relive the worst memories of
Speaker 1: your life, the worst thing that has ever happened, the
Speaker 1: murder of baby Vanessa's mother and the disappearance of a
Speaker 1: tiny baby who many, including me and law enforcement, believe
Speaker 1: it's still alive and out there. Does she even know
Speaker 1: what has happened? Straight to you, Jody, how did you
Speaker 1: first learn about the murder of Vanessa's mom and that
Speaker 1: the baby's gone?
Speaker 8: That Monday?
Speaker 9: I was home from work because the Sunday prior was
Speaker 9: my birthday and my soon to be a husband called
Speaker 9: me and said we got a call from his mother
Speaker 9: that his sister didn't show up from work. So we
Speaker 9: lived five minutes away, and I said, I'll go over there.
Speaker 9: I pulled up and didn't see her car, but it
Speaker 9: had just snowed, so there was footsteps going to her door.
Speaker 9: So I took a picture and I'm like, then I
Speaker 9: sent it to him. I'm like, somebody was here. I'll
Speaker 9: try knocking. And I banged on the door. There was nothing.
Speaker 9: I tried to listen for Vanessa, crime, anything, any kind
Speaker 9: of distress.
Speaker 8: Nothing.
Speaker 9: I proceeded to go back home and I called my
Speaker 9: soon to be husband and told him what was going on.
Speaker 9: He came home, we picked me up, we went back there.
Speaker 9: Then I ended up googling Vanessa's father's mother's address in
Speaker 9: New Haven. We went over there. His stepfather answered the door,
Speaker 9: and Vanessa's father came to the door and I asked
Speaker 9: him a few questions.
Speaker 8: You know, when did you last time see them?
Speaker 9: He was like, oh, this morning they left for work,
Speaker 9: and you know, I went to work and I said, okay,
Speaker 9: have you talked to her?
Speaker 2: And no.
Speaker 8: I tried to call her, but.
Speaker 9: It's going to voicemail and I said, well, that's kind
Speaker 9: of funny because she has to call you while she's
Speaker 9: drying anywhere. And I said, you know, if you hear
Speaker 9: from them, may hear from her? Give me a call
Speaker 9: and I gave him my cell phone number and I
Speaker 9: said better, Yeah, call me from your number, so I
Speaker 9: have it. And once he did that, I ran back
Speaker 9: to the car and I started calling all the area
Speaker 9: hospitals just.
Speaker 8: In case she was in a car accident, and nobody
Speaker 8: knew who she was.
Speaker 9: And at that time, he had walked up to the car,
Speaker 9: which is Vanessa's father, and you know, acted like nothing.
Speaker 8: It was like, hey, what's up guys.
Speaker 9: You know she's shooting the breeze and I'm like, there's
Speaker 9: something seriously wrong here. With that, I asked him about
Speaker 9: the car, the make and the model. He told me
Speaker 9: Mazda Protege two thousand and four gold.
Speaker 8: With that we left. As we're driving, I wrote a.
Speaker 9: Note to Chrissy so we could put on her door
Speaker 9: to call me, her brother or her mother as soon
Speaker 9: as possible.
Speaker 8: It's an emergency.
Speaker 9: And with that I called ANSWERPD said can you meet
Speaker 9: me at six and a half in Sonia six and
Speaker 9: a half myrtalab in Sonia and they said, well, can
Speaker 9: you come down to the station. I thought that was
Speaker 9: pretty odd, so we went and at the minute I
Speaker 9: got there, they're like, oh, we did a wellness check
Speaker 9: there today. We didn't know about this, we were never informed.
Speaker 9: And I said, you know, and they're like, well, she's
Speaker 9: just a runaway. No, she's not. She's a forty something
Speaker 9: year old woman with a one year old. This is
Speaker 9: not like her. And I was arguing with the officer,
Speaker 9: fighting with him.
Speaker 1: And I referred to Vanessa's mother, Christine Holloway, as a runaway.
Speaker 9: Yes, ma'am, okay, go ahead. And another officer came out
Speaker 9: like as if.
Speaker 8: I was troubling him with for assistance.
Speaker 9: And I gave him all the information that we had.
Speaker 8: I gave him Vanessa's father's phone number.
Speaker 9: You went in the back, did his thing with the
Speaker 9: phone call, came back and I noticed his attitude changed.
Speaker 9: Now I know something was seriously wrong.
Speaker 1: Much of what you're saying, Jody jacob ellis this is
Speaker 1: baby Vanessa's aunt. He is confirmed. And what we're learning
Speaker 1: from that nine to one one call listen, h.
Speaker 9: Yeah, how you doing this?
Speaker 3: This is Officer Smith Romnstring your police. All right, Hey,
Speaker 3: the girl here that's saying that she's the sister of
Speaker 3: Christina all the way, all right? Is that Christina your girlfriend?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Okay, she's saying that she couldn't contact her all day today.
Speaker 7: She said that she talked to you today and you
Speaker 7: said you saw her leave this morning.
Speaker 3: I'm not being in the morning to go to work
Speaker 3: the money?
Speaker 2: Who is she?
Speaker 3: Who is she when you? Is that your baby as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Okay?
Speaker 3: What did what does she drive? Two thousand and two
Speaker 3: milester for today? What color is it?
Speaker 2: Name?
Speaker 3: Gold? Yeah? Do you have any Did you talk to
Speaker 3: them at all today? So you're Christina or your daughter?
Speaker 3: I did the first day in the morning for what time?
Speaker 4: Did your time COVID?
Speaker 3: Thank you? Six or seven?
Speaker 1: You've got Jodie and Jacob Ellis and and Radonsky out
Speaker 1: of their minds worried. So they get police to the home,
Speaker 1: and I want you to see and hear what happened.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a quick for John pay I'm
Speaker 3: earlier to today.
Speaker 2: We had a U S person technically.
Speaker 3: Just trying to make contact with that number six and
Speaker 3: a half bird lap.
Speaker 2: They came out.
Speaker 3: They said, no car was in the driveway, no car
Speaker 3: was here, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's no mail in the mailbox.
Speaker 10: I don't think there's no mail in her but yeah,
Speaker 10: no reason. But we can't we can't find their back.
Speaker 10: Ye're like, listen, she has a mother of one year old.
Speaker 10: She's always showed up work, she always contacts us. We
Speaker 10: don't see, we haven't heard from her. This is really
Speaker 10: really bad. We have a bad feeling.
Speaker 2: Uh, we just.
Speaker 3: Get to the house now. There's a couple of windows
Speaker 3: open on the second floor. It's really on because obviously
Speaker 3: he's freezing out.
Speaker 2: I had him to a neighborhood chemist.
Speaker 3: One a neighbors said, hey, I saw him.
Speaker 2: I saw him drive it.
Speaker 3: Up, driving her car out of here this afternoon. I
Speaker 3: can't get into the house.
Speaker 4: I'm going to kick in the.
Speaker 3: Door in a minute.
Speaker 1: Straight out to Anna Rodoski joining us, also a relative
Speaker 1: of the mom found dead and the baby missing, baby Vanessa.
Speaker 1: What did it mean Anna that there's no mail in
Speaker 1: the mailbox? Why was that critical? Because there's two comments made,
Speaker 1: and at a time when you're trying to find somebody missing,
Speaker 1: including a baby, for someone to comment, there's no mail
Speaker 1: in the mailbox that means something, and they're saying, we
Speaker 1: have a really bad feeling. In my experience, mister Dnsky,
Speaker 1: victims and their families somehow have a sense of foreboding.
Speaker 1: They know, they know here and here before they've been told.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the mail and what brought about that
Speaker 1: feeling of foreboding.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I am Chrissy's aunt and I lived in
Speaker 11: the house with her when she grew up, so we're
Speaker 11: really really close. And when Jody and Stephen called me
Speaker 11: because I was living in Nashville at the time, and
Speaker 11: when they called me to tell me that there's something
Speaker 11: going on that Christy didn't go to work. And Christy
Speaker 11: and Vanessa are like two peas in a pod. They're
Speaker 11: always together. She always goes to work, you know. Then
Speaker 11: I said, you need to call the police. You need
Speaker 11: to just go there like something's wrong, bust the door
Speaker 11: down and get in there. Because this was like, you know,
Speaker 11: Christy was very recommended, you know, taking care of her daughter,
Speaker 11: going to work, coming home, making dinner and everything, bathtime.
Speaker 11: So we knew something something that was really not good.
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining us in All Star Paneling,
Speaker 1: addition to Jody jacob Ellis and Anna Radonsky leading the
Speaker 1: search for baby Vanessa tonight, Mike Gould is with US
Speaker 1: former Nasau County That's New York lieutenant, founding member of
Speaker 1: the New York NYPD K nine unit. Former National Guardsmen,
Speaker 1: worked on secret service detail for not one, but two presidents.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of especially talking heads not you,
Speaker 1: that have never tried a case or never investigated a case.
Speaker 1: They get on air and pontificate. It's very irritating. They
Speaker 1: discount witnesses and victims, victims, families, feelings of foreboding. If
Speaker 1: somebody told me that my son or daughter did not
Speaker 1: make it to work this morning, they've got summer jobs,
Speaker 1: I would know something was very wrong. They never missed
Speaker 1: school or work. Or my husband if he didn't come
Speaker 1: home when I think he's going to come home, I
Speaker 1: would just go straight ahead and call nine one one,
Speaker 1: because it's like clockwork, the three of them. So you
Speaker 1: cannot discount a feeling of foreboting.
Speaker 12: So, yeah, families are intimately familiar with their family members' behaviors.
Speaker 12: Law enforcement is not. So these sentences sometimes be insensitive
Speaker 12: and dismiss things that they shouldn't be dismissing. Uh So,
Speaker 12: of course we It's more than just a gut feeling
Speaker 12: or foreboden. It's a pattern of their behavior that they
Speaker 12: know is not part of this case. So they have
Speaker 12: to be taken extremely, extremely serious, and law enforcement has
Speaker 12: to take that, of course into account.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to that police body cam and see
Speaker 1: what we can learn.
Speaker 13: Please, okay, cle clear the house.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need you to hear.
Speaker 10: Okay, the bed search Please don't spin it, abdy.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Oh my stars, oh my stars. We're hearing right there.
Speaker 1: Marissa Alter with us, lead investigative reporter News twelve there
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Marissa, thank you for being with us. We're
Speaker 1: here on the body cam. Holy, I got a dead
Speaker 1: body in here. Holy Okay, okay, back out, back out,
Speaker 1: Clear the room, Clear the room, Look under the bed,
Speaker 1: Look under the bed. There is no kid. No kid.
Speaker 1: They're realizing baby Vanessa is gone. We are showing you
Speaker 1: photos right now of the home where baby Vanessa disappeared.
Speaker 1: No trace of a fourteen month old baby girl. Marissa.
Speaker 1: The body they found is baby Vanessa's mother, right.
Speaker 14: Yes, Nancy Christine Holloway is found in her bathtub, slumped over, naked,
Speaker 14: and she has been bludgeoned. She has been hit by
Speaker 14: an object which investigators later believe is a hammer, at
Speaker 14: least eight times dead in the bathtub, and there is
Speaker 14: no sign of her fourteen month old daughter Vanessa.
Speaker 1: At that point, Marissa, what did police do to find
Speaker 1: baby Vanessa, Well.
Speaker 14: They got the word out to the media, there was
Speaker 14: an amber alert put out, and they began searching for her.
Speaker 14: One of the things they did tell us was that
Speaker 14: they noticed that some of baby Vanessa's items were missing,
Speaker 14: such as her polka dot blanket, a Greco car seat,
Speaker 14: an Eddie Bauer backpack, diaper backpack, and a teething ring.
Speaker 14: And these were all things that they later said, look,
Speaker 14: these are items that someone would need to take to
Speaker 14: be able to take care of Vanessa. So that led
Speaker 14: them to believe that whoever took this child was taking
Speaker 14: her to care for her somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Straight out to Jody jacob Ellis and Anna Radonski, it's
Speaker 1: just too much to take in. When I travel where
Speaker 1: the Twins's infants, my children, John, David and Lucy, I
Speaker 1: had to carry a slew of item as a matter
Speaker 1: of where we went, the baby seat, the pull ups,
Speaker 1: the dipies, the baby rings. Jacob Ellis, as you are
Speaker 1: hearing this, what is going through your mind? Will take anything?
Speaker 15: Just back to that Ninember second, because when they did
Speaker 15: gain entry in the house, we heard on the radio
Speaker 15: while we're in the lobby, we're gaining entry, and then
Speaker 15: I hear we need you here, and then the radio
Speaker 15: went down.
Speaker 3: So let's just bring it back.
Speaker 8: Horrible memories.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jody, Jody, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I felt this way every time I put a victim's
Speaker 1: family member on the stand, because it's tortuous and it
Speaker 1: just it can mess you up for days to come.
Speaker 1: Anna Radonski, when you learned that police come in to
Speaker 1: find mom, dad, baby gone? What went through your mind?
Speaker 1: And now you're hearing missing the baby seat, die pees,
Speaker 1: the baby ring, other things that would be required to
Speaker 1: take care of the baby. Somebody that knew the baby,
Speaker 1: that cared about the baby, took the baby.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 11: When, uh, when Stephen and Jerny call me, you know,
Speaker 11: tell me, I was, like I said, I was in Nashville,
Speaker 11: you know, and I packed my suitcase. I just started
Speaker 11: running around my apartment and packing my suitcase and I
Speaker 11: was I remember just packing like outfits for a funeral
Speaker 11: and outfits, warm clothes to go looking in the woods
Speaker 11: to find Vanessa. Like I was like, we're going to
Speaker 11: be part of a search team. We're gonna find her,
Speaker 11: so let me just bring everything and anything, and and
Speaker 11: then I got in a plane the next morning to
Speaker 11: come back to Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Back to Jody jacob Ellis also joining us along with Anna.
Speaker 1: Jody what happened next.
Speaker 8: When the officer.
Speaker 9: Once we heard on the radio, you know we need
Speaker 9: you here. That's when my soon to be husband took
Speaker 9: off with his brother who had just come in from
Speaker 9: Long Island because we told him what was going on,
Speaker 9: and his best friend. They left and went to Christy's house.
Speaker 9: I stayed back with my sister in law and about
Speaker 9: five minutes later, my sister in law gets a phone
Speaker 9: call from the friend and said they're taping up the house.
Speaker 9: And she turned to me and she said it and
Speaker 9: I I just collapsed in the lobby. It's screaming no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 9: no no. And with that I ran out of the
Speaker 9: police station to go to the house and they said no,
Speaker 9: just stay at the police station, so I went back.
Speaker 8: And that's when.
Speaker 9: My fiancee, Stephen, his brother Brian, and their friend Hector
Speaker 9: came back. And then a detective came out and pulled
Speaker 9: the three boys out in the back, and then my
Speaker 9: brother in law Brian, came out and his friend and
Speaker 9: said they want to speak with you.
Speaker 8: And I said me, why, what's going on?
Speaker 9: And then the two detectives came back and got me,
Speaker 9: sat me in a little room with my fiancee. Stephen
Speaker 9: asked me all these questions and I told him everything
Speaker 9: from the moment I got the phone call from Stephen
Speaker 9: to up until we got to the police station. They
Speaker 9: left the room and my fiance looked at me and
Speaker 9: he's like, she's gone.
Speaker 8: I said stop, saying.
Speaker 9: That we were going back and forth arguing I'm like stop,
Speaker 9: and he grabbed my hands, looked me dead in my
Speaker 9: eyes and said she's gone and I was like no,
Speaker 9: I didn't want to believe it. They pulled everybody back
Speaker 9: in from the lobby and proceeded to tell us that
Speaker 9: they found a female deceased.
Speaker 8: I remember just running out of the.
Speaker 9: Room screaming, and then I got myself together because then
Speaker 9: I realized, wait, they said, Chrissy, where's the baby. I
Speaker 9: went back to the room and looked back both the
Speaker 9: detectives and I said, where's the baby? They said, what
Speaker 9: are you talking? I said, her daughter, our niece who's
Speaker 9: one years old, Vanessa, where is she? She should have
Speaker 9: been there. And the two detectives looked at each other
Speaker 9: and said, well, we don't know. We weren't on the scene,
Speaker 9: so we don't know anything. And I said, well, you
Speaker 9: need to find her. And after that we left and
Speaker 9: proceeded to go to my mother in law's house to Bridgeport,
Speaker 9: Connecticut to tell her that her oldest daughter is gone
Speaker 9: and her granddaughter is missing.
Speaker 8: Nobody should ever have to tell a family member that
Speaker 8: at all.
Speaker 15: It was the worst night of my life.
Speaker 16: We are looking for the following items which are listed
Speaker 16: on this post report to my far left. These are
Speaker 16: items that Christine Holloway used and taking care of Vanessa,
Speaker 16: and we have been able to locate them.
Speaker 4: We believe that Vanessa is alive. We have no information
Speaker 4: to the contrary. At that point, when.
Speaker 16: You see things like that that are missing that would
Speaker 16: be used to care for a child, that gives us
Speaker 16: the impetus that she is still out there.
Speaker 4: And she's with someone and we want to bring her
Speaker 4: home safely.
Speaker 17: We've had a lot of tips about car seats and
Speaker 17: different things like that. We've run all those out and
Speaker 17: they've never come out to what we had hoped for.
Speaker 17: The FBI is offering a ten thousand dollars reward to
Speaker 17: any individual who provides information that directly leads to the
Speaker 17: recovery of the missing child, Vanessa Rallies date of birth
Speaker 17: September seventh, twenty eighteen. The reward will be given to
Speaker 17: anyone in the community that has Vanessa in their possession
Speaker 17: and returns her unharmed, or has specific information where Vanessa
Speaker 17: is located that leads.
Speaker 4: To her recovery.
Speaker 1: From our friends at w FSB three and THOUGHT sixty
Speaker 1: one crime stores with Nancy Gray straight out to Rachel
Speaker 1: Tole's clinical forensic psychologist, author of a brand new book,
Speaker 1: Inventing the Psychopath. You can find her at doctor Racheltoles
Speaker 1: dot com a doctor Toles. It seems to me that
Speaker 1: unless this is an disconnected, unrelated murder of a mom
Speaker 1: and kidnap of a baby, which is highly highly unlikely,
Speaker 1: this is from someone connected to the mom or the baby,
Speaker 1: someone that knows them intimately knows their schedules and has
Speaker 1: a desire to take that baby. Why.
Speaker 18: Yeah, So we don't have a body, we don't have
Speaker 18: the baby's diaper bag, we don't have the blanky that
Speaker 18: probably the baby's favorite blanky, and the car seat. So
Speaker 18: we've got the body of the mother, and then we
Speaker 18: have these items that show that the person who took
Speaker 18: the baby clearly wants to either care for the baby
Speaker 18: or keep the baby alive. So that's that's definitely what
Speaker 18: we see on the just from the evidence that's there
Speaker 18: at the crime scene.
Speaker 1: To Anna Rodowski, is Christine's Christaine, of course is the
Speaker 1: mother of baby Vanessa. Did you immediately have a suspicion?
Speaker 11: Absolutely? Yes, immediately And what was it? I mean, we
Speaker 11: immediately knew that everything was out of the norm, and
Speaker 11: we knew that Jose was involved in it, and we
Speaker 11: were grateful that none of the Vanessa's DNA was fond
Speaker 11: at the scene and that that there's hope and we
Speaker 11: hope that he gave her someone and we hope that
Speaker 11: we find her and that she's safe.
Speaker 1: It all began unraveling because of phone records.
Speaker 4: Can you would you would you show me the phone
Speaker 4: call that you may to canness on Monday morning at
Speaker 4: your phone.
Speaker 2: Please, I don't think.
Speaker 4: My love you have her in there? Is your lover?
Speaker 19: Yeah, says you called her at six fifty nine pm Monday.
Speaker 19: I mean on Monday, I can kind of call her.
Speaker 19: There's no call, there's no way now. Yeah, but it
Speaker 19: should still show that you dialed it, right? Did you
Speaker 19: erase stuff? I always did all my I'm pretty much
Speaker 19: delete it. I'll do let all my calls all the time.
Speaker 19: You didn't lea through seven though, I would love to
Speaker 19: lead a very die No, I do what you want though.
Speaker 1: Well, he's lying because there were all these calls on
Speaker 1: there that he didn't delete. Plus who has time to
Speaker 1: go through and delete every phone call they may? Do?
Speaker 1: You see that happening, Mike Gould, you're the former NYPD
Speaker 1: whatever they say. So you says you called it right,
Speaker 1: Well there's not a record, and he goes, what, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried, but it went to voicemail. Well that still
Speaker 1: would have shown up on a call log. Then he goes, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, I deleted everything. You say. He's got a
Speaker 1: fallback for it. He's already tangled up in just the
Speaker 1: phone records. He can't even get the phone call straight.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, there's no doubt the guilty. The jury has
Speaker 12: spoke in Jose's guilty as sid in the murder of
Speaker 12: his wife. However, there is no blooded but there is
Speaker 12: zero evidence that the baby is deceased at this point,
Speaker 12: which gives me great optimism Here.
Speaker 4: There's several factors that I think about.
Speaker 12: Number one, it's relatively it's easier to abduct an infant
Speaker 12: than it is a ten or twelve year old child
Speaker 12: because they lack mobility, they're relatively easy to care for.
Speaker 12: So that's a big thing for me. The lacking of
Speaker 12: the evidence that wasn't recovered that you need to take
Speaker 12: care of a child whether so, I am optimistic that
Speaker 12: this child is alive. The question is by whom so
Speaker 12: did one of his associates sell the baby for money?
Speaker 12: Was it a relative, was it a friend? Somebody knows
Speaker 12: where this child is, Nancy, And frankly, the only way
Speaker 12: this is going to come to fruition it shows like
Speaker 12: yours that keep this in the public spotlight. So I'm
Speaker 12: very optimistic here.
Speaker 19: Hold, did you tell your parents where you went on Friday?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Where are you tell me what.
Speaker 19: Yeah listen, yeah, listen, yeah, listen. What your dad said
Speaker 19: you went to Christine's Friday with her?
Speaker 4: Why would he tell me that? He said that I
Speaker 4: went to christi Friday. That's why he thought I was.
Speaker 19: Why would you You said you told him where you went,
Speaker 19: and if you told him you went to heck, she.
Speaker 5: Got her own cars, right, But why wouldn't he tell
Speaker 5: me that you went to Christine's If you told him
Speaker 5: where you went, why would he tell so Look, you
Speaker 5: said you told.
Speaker 4: Him where you went.
Speaker 1: First of all, he lies about the phone call, which
Speaker 1: is very easily disproven. Then he's tangled up in what
Speaker 1: he told his own family. He told his dad He's
Speaker 1: going to Christine's. She's dead, the baby's missing, and he's saying, well,
Speaker 1: I never said that. Where did my dad get that idea?
Speaker 1: But that's not all idiot.
Speaker 19: Listen, you realize that somebody saw you in Christiane's house.
Speaker 4: Today?
Speaker 17: How is that.
Speaker 4: It's important?
Speaker 20: Mood osey, I want to find the kids, Well not Tuesday, Monday.
Speaker 4: Listen, you want to find your daughter. Okay, okay, let's
Speaker 4: find her.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 19: We're gonna find her.
Speaker 4: You're at the house Monday.
Speaker 9: We day.
Speaker 4: Where's your daughter? Listen? You know why we want your clothes?
Speaker 4: You know it disclosed? Yeah? Where is the other clothes
Speaker 4: that we want?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh you want dis clothes?
Speaker 4: All right, take it. You're gonna take me home. You're
Speaker 4: going home. You're going home.
Speaker 19: We are taking your clothes, and then we're gonna get
Speaker 19: you in the cart and then we're driving you back
Speaker 19: all the way home.
Speaker 4: So how and I'm all right, all right, all right, wait,
Speaker 4: what's that gonna get? We'll get some bags and some stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh, this is crazy.
Speaker 19: So you understood what I told you right well, that
Speaker 19: somebody saw you leaving the house today Monday.
Speaker 1: Yes, you understand that technical legal term dumb ass? Jody?
Speaker 1: Anna did he always act like that? What closed? Oh?
Speaker 1: These clothes which makes me think he committed the murder
Speaker 1: and other clothes? I mean, what is he saying, Jody?
Speaker 8: You could tell he is a mind of a two
Speaker 8: year old.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 9: Whenever I would see him, because Chrissy used to live
Speaker 9: with me and her brother and when he would come
Speaker 9: to the house, he was always drunk and my step
Speaker 9: son would be like, didn't the wall there? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 9: you know, you're probably tripped. I would make up excuses
Speaker 9: because my stepson was six years old at this time,
Speaker 9: and I didn't want him to think. You know, he's
Speaker 9: drinking and driving. But you can tell he's not educated.
Speaker 9: You know, he thinks he knows it all, but he
Speaker 9: really isn't.
Speaker 8: He doesn't.
Speaker 1: Okay, what can we learn from his family?
Speaker 4: We know where.
Speaker 2: Christine is, do you know what?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well you want to hold the baby.
Speaker 2: Christine's dead.
Speaker 4: We're looking for.
Speaker 2: The shed a light on our situation that we're working
Speaker 2: with right now.
Speaker 3: We're not mescinating, so I'll let you know this. It's aide.
Speaker 1: And Radonski. Who do you believe has baby Vanessa?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 11: I mean I hope that he gave her to someone
Speaker 11: that just really wanted a baby, and and she is, yeah,
Speaker 11: taken care of.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 11: I just I think our family just is, like, you know,
Speaker 11: so much time has gone on and where we've given
Speaker 11: every opportunity for him to just tell the truth, just
Speaker 11: stop the like ongoing pain of to our family and
Speaker 11: just let us know, you know, but we have nothing.
Speaker 17: We have no idea.
Speaker 11: So I still walk around to beaches and pediatrician offices.
Speaker 11: And libraries, and I'm still passing out pictures of Vanessa
Speaker 11: because we really believe we're gonna find her someday. We
Speaker 11: the family would like to ask for everyone in our
Speaker 11: communities and beyond us to help bring maybe Vanessa home safely.
Speaker 3: But at this moment, we don't know if it is
Speaker 3: him or if it's someone else, and what he's telling up,
Speaker 3: we're going by what he's throwing up.
Speaker 6: We still have Vanessa's first Christmas breath. We can't let
Speaker 6: go of it. Did I know she'll be too old
Speaker 6: before she comes back to play with it, But that's
Speaker 6: the last thing we have of her.
Speaker 9: Nothing.
Speaker 15: We'll bring them back.
Speaker 21: And that works the most, don't We have to stand
Speaker 21: here today and basically be treated like we're nothing, like
Speaker 21: she and Vanessa were nothing. We're frustrated and the fact
Speaker 21: that he was able to turn around to see his
Speaker 21: family members, we can't turn around.
Speaker 6: To see ours.
Speaker 15: We have to go visit their gravesite.
Speaker 21: That's our anger.
Speaker 1: That from WFSB three, Fox sixty one n NBC to
Speaker 1: Marissa Alter, joining US lead investigative reporter News twelve Connecticut,
Speaker 1: who has been on this case fighting for answers in
Speaker 1: the disappearance of baby Vanessa. Where does the case stand now, Marissa.
Speaker 14: Well, right now police say that the search for Vanessa
Speaker 14: is ongoing. The hope had been that with the trial,
Speaker 14: the murder trial of Jose Morales for Christine Holloway's murder,
Speaker 14: that that might lead to more publicity and then more answers,
Speaker 14: new information that could come out and give the family
Speaker 14: and police some idea of where she might be. But
Speaker 14: as of right now, police have not released any new
Speaker 14: information that might give us an idea of where she is.
Speaker 1: To Mike Gould, former NYPD, Mike, the ad progression photo
Speaker 1: is very typically, very accurate, and a reward of ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars is still in place, any hope.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, completely. A couple of things that keep me
Speaker 12: optimistic here. You know, Jose might be the biggest dirt
Speaker 12: big on earth and have the mentality of a two
Speaker 12: year old, and as you described them as a dumbass
Speaker 12: quite accurately. However, there's a big delta between killing your
Speaker 12: wife and killing your child, So philiside is relatively uncommon
Speaker 12: compared to murders of a spouse, so I keep that again,
Speaker 12: the lack of blood evidence, there's no evidence to suggest
Speaker 12: that this little girl has been deceased. So this keeps
Speaker 12: me optimistic. As the girl matures, the likelihood of her
Speaker 12: recovery is better.
Speaker 8: We've had case's J C.
Speaker 12: Dugard, Elizabeth Smart, so these things aren't out of the
Speaker 12: realm of possibility.
Speaker 1: Rachel tolds, joining us for his psychologist, way Anne, Rachel, Yeah.
Speaker 18: I mean I also have hope that she's still alive. Ideally,
Speaker 18: what we do know is that I think Christina's cell
Speaker 18: phone pinged because he had a very short period of
Speaker 18: time between when he was brought in for questioning and
Speaker 18: then detained, and so he had a very short period
Speaker 18: of time to do something with Vanessa. If he actually
Speaker 18: did something with Vanessa, and we know that her cell phone,
Speaker 18: the mother's cell phone pinged around where his family was,
Speaker 18: which suggests he did potentially pass her off to a
Speaker 18: family member, at least that's what some of the records show.
Speaker 1: And that's the hope to Jody jacob ellis what is
Speaker 1: your message tonight.
Speaker 9: Just look at Vanessa's photo. If you see a child
Speaker 9: that resembles her, please give us a call. I'm constantly
Speaker 9: checking my phone in the middle of the night just
Speaker 9: in case I get a phone call from the FBI
Speaker 9: or the Antonia PD.
Speaker 8: Just her eyes never change.
Speaker 9: The age progression picture that there is now is a
Speaker 9: combination of her mother, Chrissy and her father.
Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
Speaker 1: disappearance of baby Vanessa, please call two zero three seven
Speaker 1: three five one eight eight five or the FBI now involved.
Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two five five three two four eight
Speaker 1: hundred two two five five three two four. We remember
Speaker 1: an American hero Trooper Kevin Traynor, Massachusetts State Police, just thirty,
Speaker 1: killed in a line of duty after three years on
Speaker 1: the force, leaving behind a devastated fiance, Jessica. American hero
Speaker 1: Trooper Kevin Trainer. Thank you to our guests joining us tonight,
Speaker 1: especially the relatives of the victims, but especially to you
Speaker 1: from being with us. Nancy Grace signing off for tonight,
Speaker 1: but I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good help.