DEAD, MISSING SPACE SCIENTISTS MYSTERY RAGING UNSOLVED

The FBI and other federal agencies are investigating the deaths and disappearances of more than a dozen top scientists and personnel tied to NASA, Los Alamos Nation Laboratory and  classified military research.   The remains of Los Alamos worker Melissa Casias were found in Carson National Forest  nearly a year after she vanished. Police records revealed that missing retiree Anthony Chavez had been researching quantum physics with a Los Alamos scientist.  

In the meantime the February disappearance of retired Air Force General William Neil McCasland,  continues. McCasland had links to many of the dead and missing who were connected to classified  aerospace and national security programs.  

Conspiracy theories abound on a coordinated effort to silence these researchers. Do any of them have a hold on reality?  

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace US space scientists either dead

Speaker 1: or missing.

Speaker 2: It's fishy, harassment, harassment, threat threat, it's suspicious.

Speaker 3: She didn't take no fee.

Speaker 1: There's no bullet.

Speaker 4: If there were a staged suicide, then why be so

Speaker 4: sloppy about her.

Speaker 1: It's bigs.

Speaker 5: When things happen once, it's an anomaly. When things happen twice,

Speaker 5: you could chalk it up as a coincidence. But when

Speaker 5: it happens three times, now you have a trend.

Speaker 1: Bombshell Tonight in the case of dead and missing US

Speaker 1: scientists with top clearances across the board Tonight, the body

Speaker 1: count seventeen joining US Tonight Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt.

Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what more can you tell us, Nancy?

Speaker 6: As we have taken a look at this story a

Speaker 6: number of times, there are three names that are kind

Speaker 6: of bubbling to the surface right now, retired General Neil mccaslan,

Speaker 6: Anthony Chavez, and Melissa Cassias. In the case of General

Speaker 6: Neil mccaslan, retired General, this is a man who controlled

Speaker 6: two point two billion dollars in government funding for research

Speaker 6: he spent and by the way, research in propulsion technology

Speaker 6: This is a man who spent the largest part of

Speaker 6: his career at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, where the

Speaker 6: UFO community knows has been the subject of a lot

Speaker 6: of questions about our government's research into extraterrestrial technology, if

Speaker 6: it exists. But more than that, Neil McCaslin, the guy

Speaker 6: is sixty six years old. And as we were all

Speaker 6: beginning to cover the Nancy Guthrie story in February, you know,

Speaker 6: we were three and a half weeks into that story,

Speaker 6: every day looking at what was happening in Arizona, and

Speaker 6: General Neil mccaslan went missing on February twenty seventh. For

Speaker 6: a brief moment, people were like, wait a minute, what's

Speaker 6: going on with these senior citizens? They just seemed to disappear.

Speaker 6: The Neil McCaslin story was coming well. The information we

Speaker 6: got came from his wife. Pretty Much everything we know

Speaker 6: about his recent health, his demeanor, his idea and lie,

Speaker 6: everything comes from his wife. I'm not challenging her, Nancy.

Speaker 6: I'm just pointing out that it's Neil mccaslin's wife that

Speaker 6: said he had kind of a brain fog going on,

Speaker 6: and he left home without his phone and without other

Speaker 6: things he would normally have and just went walking away.

Speaker 6: She was gone from the house for an hour and

Speaker 6: when she got back she couldn't find him anywhere and

Speaker 6: reported him missing. Well, Nancy, I've been in that area

Speaker 6: of Albuquerque, New Mexico, where General Neil McCaslin went missing.

Speaker 6: It's tough terrain. It's rugged terrain at the base of

Speaker 6: the Sandia Mountains. My brother and I when we were kids,

Speaker 6: we did a lot of hiking up in that area.

Speaker 6: It's not an area you go without knowing where you're

Speaker 6: going because the terrain is difficult. But if Neil mccaslan

Speaker 6: was to walk away within the hour that his wife

Speaker 6: was gone and a search began right away to find

Speaker 6: a sixty six year old man on foot walking in

Speaker 6: the area where she suggested he went, they'd have found him.

Speaker 6: They would have found him right away. Can't get that

Speaker 6: far away in an hour in that terrain. Just saying

Speaker 6: this is manue a two point two billion dollars in

Speaker 6: government funding that he was in charge of and hand

Speaker 6: it out for research into alternative propulsion that NASA and

Speaker 6: other organizations in our government have been working on. He's

Speaker 6: one of those people again, retired US Air Force General

Speaker 6: Neil McCasland. But check this out TAUS New Mexico coming

Speaker 6: into play, we have Anthony Chavez. Now, Anthony Chavez worked

Speaker 6: at Los Alamos and it is said that he Anthony

Speaker 6: Chavez was a retired HVAC guy. Well, I mean, if

Speaker 6: you've got problems with your heating and air conditioning, your

Speaker 6: central heating air he'd be the guy to call, right,

Speaker 6: But he has ties to Los Alamos, and I'm want

Speaker 6: to make sure I get this right. He was working

Speaker 6: on a research project with quantum physics with an unnamed scientist.

Speaker 6: An HVAC guy working on a quantum physics research project

Speaker 6: with another scientist, and by the way, he just goes missing.

Speaker 6: He was trying to sell his sister's home that he

Speaker 6: had inherited, and he was going to sell the home

Speaker 6: and use it for his sister's living and he did

Speaker 6: have a real estate agent that was really pushing him

Speaker 6: hard to sell it for below market value, for below

Speaker 6: what it was listed for. But other than that, Anthony Chavez,

Speaker 6: a retired HVAC guy working on a quantum physics project

Speaker 6: with another scientist, disappeared. Now we have covered Melissa Cassius

Speaker 6: that's why I mentioned Taus.

Speaker 1: A minute ago.

Speaker 6: Melissa Cassia's body was found, well, her remains, her skeletal

Speaker 6: remains are found remembered leaning up against a tree gunn nearby. Yeah,

Speaker 6: there's a lot wrong with this story. The story was

Speaker 6: that Melissa Cassius had gone to drop her husband off

Speaker 6: at work, she forgot her key card, had to go

Speaker 6: back home to get it. She took her daughter a

Speaker 6: subway sandwich for lunch, and that Melissa decided to just

Speaker 6: work from home. But then she was later after she disappeared,

Speaker 6: leaving behind her phones and keys by Her phones were

Speaker 6: left behind and they'd been reset to factory and then

Speaker 6: she just vanishes right in a thin air. There was

Speaker 6: a picture of her walking down a highway. But that

Speaker 6: was pretty much it with Melissica Sis. But you know what,

Speaker 6: here's the time. You know I mentioned Anthony Chavez retired

Speaker 6: HVAC guide doing quantum physics work with another scientist. Well,

Speaker 6: Anthony Chavez is that former employee of Los Alamos in

Speaker 6: Latin National Laboratory until his retirement in twenty seventeen. He

Speaker 6: vanishes seven weeks, seven weeks before a key assistant at

Speaker 6: that same lab vanished. Who was that key card holder

Speaker 6: Melisica SIUs. So we got Neil mccaslan, Anthony Chavez. Melissica

Speaker 6: is Seas all gone. We did find skeletal remains of

Speaker 6: Melisica SEUs leaning against a tree. But Nancy, there's just

Speaker 6: three of the latest that we're looking at. With the

Speaker 6: missing and dead scientists.

Speaker 1: How does a young scientist, without telling family or friends,

Speaker 1: decide he's going on a trip, get into his tesla

Speaker 1: without his wallet or iPhone like so many of the

Speaker 1: other missing or dead scientists, leaving home on foot, leaving

Speaker 1: behind all id wallets, cell phones, tracking devices, any sort

Speaker 1: of identification that links them to the military or to

Speaker 1: their research. This young scientist, Joshua le Blank, leaves home

Speaker 1: and suddenly crashes into a guard rail and both he

Speaker 1: and his vehicle are totally incinerated. Stephanie Herlow joining us

Speaker 1: co host Crime Weekly podcast. Stephanie, thank you for being

Speaker 1: with us tonight. What happened to Joshua Leblank? First of all,

Speaker 1: tell me about him? What was he studying? Let me

Speaker 1: guess anti gravity, jet propulsion?

Speaker 7: What, yes, jet propulsion.

Speaker 8: He lived and worked in Huntsville, Alabama, which is kind

Speaker 8: of the epicenter of a lot of these missing people,

Speaker 8: including doctor Ninglee who was missing for a while but

Speaker 8: ended up being killed, and also Amy Askridge.

Speaker 7: The University of Huntsville is very very.

Speaker 8: Focused on NASA jet propulsion anti gravity research that the

Speaker 8: epicenter of where all that stuff is happening.

Speaker 7: But he did work with some pretty high security clearance.

Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Kendel Crowns joining US Chief Medical

Speaker 1: Examiner at Terrant County that's Fort Worth, Texas. Doctor Crowns,

Speaker 1: why three days to identify his body? I mean, they

Speaker 1: knew it was his Tesla number one, the family reported

Speaker 1: him missing. Why did it take three days to figure

Speaker 1: out it's him?

Speaker 9: Well, actually three days is a little surprising to me

Speaker 9: because I would think it would take even longer. If

Speaker 9: a body is burned beyond recognition, meaning that the facial

Speaker 9: skin has been burned away all the way to the bone.

Speaker 9: You have to do techniques to figure out who they are,

Speaker 9: and one of them is dental records, so they have

Speaker 9: a presumptive ID. They kind of know who he is.

Speaker 9: They get his dental records and do a comparison. Three

Speaker 9: days is to me an actually quick turnaround time.

Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Kendall Crowns. I know I'm waiting into dangerous

Speaker 1: territory here arguing with the chief medical examiner in the

Speaker 1: metropolitan area. But how hard is it to get dental records?

Speaker 1: The family says, that's his car, he's missing dental records.

Speaker 1: That should take a couple of hours.

Speaker 9: Well, it isn't a couple hours. You have to call

Speaker 9: the dentists, they have to get the records, they have

Speaker 9: to bring them to the medical examiner's office. So you're

Speaker 9: looking at least a day or two.

Speaker 1: WHOA, You do know about email, right, You don't have

Speaker 1: to get in your on your horse and buggy and

Speaker 1: go over to the medical examiners. You hit one button

Speaker 1: and send it. Okay, so that takes five minutes. But

Speaker 1: what you're saying regarding bringing in a dent a forensic

Speaker 1: dental specialist, that suddenly makes sense to me. Out to

Speaker 1: special guests joining us Frank Milburn, former British intelligence officer

Speaker 1: who knew another dad scientist very well, Amy Eskridge, who said,

Speaker 1: point blank, if I am found dead, I did not

Speaker 1: and would never commit suicide. Frank, I'd like you to

Speaker 1: listen to her voice, to her tapes that you have

Speaker 1: provided to us.

Speaker 10: Listen, we discovered what was up when we got back

Speaker 10: and the car battery was drained, the peppersary was emptied.

Speaker 11: Right.

Speaker 10: They just had a colonel walk out of the airport

Speaker 10: behind me. He didn't have any luggage. I don't think

Speaker 10: he even blew that day. Right, My car failed to start,

Speaker 10: and then he offered to jump it for me. Right,

Speaker 10: So the colonel jumped my car and then I went

Speaker 10: along my merry Way, totally traumatized, but also totally okay. Right,

Speaker 10: I have not traveled by air and I also have

Speaker 10: not left the city by car either. Ever since then from.

Speaker 1: Our friends are deally mailed crime stories with Nancy Grace

Speaker 1: to Frank Milburn, what is she talking about?

Speaker 4: Yeah, she was talking about an incident that happened when

Speaker 4: she came back from out of town when she came

Speaker 4: back to her airport near Huntsville. And this is something

Speaker 4: that was preferring for her. She would go out of town,

Speaker 4: fly out she'd come back her vehicle had been tampered with.

Speaker 4: Even when she didn't fly, her vehicle would be tampered with.

Speaker 4: So her vehicle would be in an airport's car parking

Speaker 4: lot where presumedly there's cameras and there's surveyor people moving

Speaker 4: in and out, so you'd have presumably you'd have some

Speaker 4: record of it. But her car was being tampered with,

Speaker 4: the whether it was products inside the car, items inside

Speaker 4: the car, or sometimes a door would just be left

Speaker 4: open a jar so that the battery would run down,

Speaker 4: so that when she came back she had a problem.

Speaker 4: But this was recurring, and it happened not only to

Speaker 4: her at airports, but also at other locations and also

Speaker 4: including at home. And there's a video where she's very

Speaker 4: worried she found footsteps outside her house. There's another one

Speaker 4: where she's talking about her car being her mother's car,

Speaker 4: being battery drink.

Speaker 1: Also allegations that her home computer had been hacked. Listen.

Speaker 10: So I maybe just sent a message to Tim on

Speaker 10: LinkedIn and informed him that if I see one more

Speaker 10: illegally leaked document of photos that were taken from my

Speaker 10: laptop bag from my home by your business partner, I'm

Speaker 10: going to call the FBI. You've been informed that your

Speaker 10: partner has committed interstate felonies because he took pictures in Alabama,

Speaker 10: he transported them across state lines to New Jersey and

Speaker 10: he posted them online from New Jersey. That's an interstate

Speaker 10: villainy considering the NBA. It's an act of corporate espionage

Speaker 10: because he founded a competing company right after that. It's

Speaker 10: an act of international espionage because he has a dual

Speaker 10: citizens dual citizenship status. It's an active breach of presidential

Speaker 10: executive presidential privilege because the document is you know, addressed

Speaker 10: to Trump on the very first page. And are you

Speaker 10: aware that your business partner left a very messy, very

Speaker 10: messy trail of evidence about these multiple villinies. It's extremely

Speaker 10: extremely easy to prove.

Speaker 1: Import Frank, what is she talking about? Do you believe

Speaker 1: her computer had been hacked?

Speaker 4: That happened to her a lot, and she was regularly,

Speaker 4: for example, when she's attacked with directed energy webon, which

Speaker 4: are documented. She was working on air gap computer precisely

Speaker 4: because she didn't want to be connected to the internet.

Speaker 4: Her team and her were constantly having to clean reinstall

Speaker 4: their phones, their computers precisely because of this hacking. But

Speaker 4: in that particular case here that the person that she

Speaker 4: names in the clip that you played previously, he's been

Speaker 4: gaslighting me and her since before she died.

Speaker 5: She knew.

Speaker 4: I've got emails going back to you know, sorry, I've

Speaker 4: got documents going back to twenty twenty one saying that

Speaker 4: she was being a target of industrial blessponage by him

Speaker 4: and his partner. These people have been trying to gaslight

Speaker 4: her before and after her death and trying to portray

Speaker 4: her as crazy. Is not competent, but this should be

Speaker 4: thoroughly investigated by the FBI.

Speaker 7: I know these people.

Speaker 4: They're trying to gaslight me too, so you know, this

Speaker 4: is actually disgusting behavior. Talking very very badly about a deceased,

Speaker 4: dead lady. You can't defend herself, but that's why I'm

Speaker 4: here to defend her.

Speaker 1: You mentioned being harassed, harassed, and also you mentioned a

Speaker 1: directed power hit on her body from which she allegedly

Speaker 1: sustained multiple bruises. And they have two people.

Speaker 4: This wasn't alleged, it's all documented. And I actually showed

Speaker 4: you know, the images of her to a doctor friend

Speaker 4: of mine and she said, yeah, those are consistent, you know,

Speaker 4: with with with the directed energy microwave weapons. Havana syndrome

Speaker 4: is mostly acoustic, but these were the directed energie microve

Speaker 4: weapons that literally, you know, fry your body, fry your

Speaker 4: central nervous system, fry your spine, give you all kinds

Speaker 4: of gas and tests, and.

Speaker 1: Promise I want you to listen to this.

Speaker 10: HAVE been typing on the offline computer right here, super

Speaker 10: and sensitive for the past several days with this window

Speaker 10: right here to my right and that window door right

Speaker 10: there to my left, and I've been my hands have

Speaker 10: been murned to helen back as I've been typing. Because

Speaker 10: you can beat me through there and through or through there,

Speaker 10: and you can get a three D image of what

Speaker 10: I'm typing. Because this computer doesn't have a WiFi card,

Speaker 10: you can't hack it, but you can maybe it's a

Speaker 10: three D image of me typing.

Speaker 1: So like we just did that, and did that.

Speaker 10: As an act of as an act of pure desperation,

Speaker 10: and guess what, I feel better immediately. I feel better immediately.

Speaker 10: Like my hand's still burn because there's damage. My hand's

Speaker 10: still burn because there's damage. But but it's like my

Speaker 10: body relaxed when we barricaded and it was like, oh,

Speaker 10: like relief, like immediately because they're hit me through the

Speaker 10: I'm sitting here typing on this thing. Like directed energy

Speaker 10: weapons are about harming and harassing people. But they're also

Speaker 10: sometimes surveillance mechanisms where you can you can't hack the

Speaker 10: computer because there's no Wi Fi card, but you can

Speaker 10: send microwaves in to get a three D of kneed

Speaker 10: typing on the keyboard, and you can reconstruct what I'm

Speaker 10: typing by microwaving me even though you can't hack it.

Speaker 10: There's no why Birdguard. That's the type of Shenanigan's going

Speaker 10: on right now. That's the reality of like directed energy

Speaker 10: tools and weapons like that's kind of what's going on.

Speaker 1: We just showed a photo of Eskridge's red hands. What

Speaker 1: is that?

Speaker 4: That was when she was working literally on that project

Speaker 4: for Homeland security and she was I think about six

Speaker 4: stories up but they got hit with a directed energy

Speaker 4: weapon and she got burnt on her hands, not on

Speaker 4: her face. I believe it was on her hands. So

Speaker 4: it's something directed specifically at her hands. And there's another

Speaker 4: scientist that actually sent you the videos. There's another scientist

Speaker 4: with her in the background and you can hear him

Speaker 4: say it's a directed energy weapon, a microwave directed energy weapon.

Speaker 7: So there's two witnesses.

Speaker 4: There, two scientists who are expert witnesses and able to

Speaker 4: describe exactly what is happened.

Speaker 1: I'm scared.

Speaker 2: I'm tired, I'm real tired. I need to disclose soon, man,

Speaker 2: I need to pull them soon because it's like escalating.

Speaker 2: It's getting more and more aggressive, like over the past

Speaker 2: this has been going on for like I don't know,

Speaker 2: four or five years, and over the past twelve twelve

Speaker 2: months has been like escalating, escalating, like more aggressive, more invasive.

Speaker 1: Much happening out of the New Mexico jurisdiction, New Mexico

Speaker 1: in California. Listen to these connections and how the people

Speaker 1: went missing. Monica Jacinto Risa worked at the AFRL Air

Speaker 1: Force Research Lab. General Mchason oversaw actually ran coming deared

Speaker 1: the AFRL, including the funding, specifically Resa's project. She got

Speaker 1: her funding from AFROL and she was specializing in jet propulsion.

Speaker 1: She is on a hike in the La National Forest.

Speaker 1: She's with a friend, a female friend, who's just ahead

Speaker 1: of her. The friend looks back, she waves and smiles.

Speaker 1: A few minutes later, she looks back. Monica's gone gone.

Speaker 1: An intense digital search and more was conducted. Nothing in

Speaker 1: the space of ten minutes. She's gone. You know, let

Speaker 1: me go to you, Lauren Colin, you have done a

Speaker 1: really deep dive on Monica Jasin Theresa and your article

Speaker 1: in La magazine was eye opening, and I'm sure that

Speaker 1: took you hundreds and hundreds of hours of research to

Speaker 1: put that one article together. Remind us about how Monica

Speaker 1: just disappears off a trail.

Speaker 12: Of course, Monica's disappearance is very chilling because she was

Speaker 12: with two people from her yoga group and reportedly she

Speaker 12: was descending from a mountain with her male companion, only

Speaker 12: she was behind him about thirty feet. They were both

Speaker 12: running again, this is a steep terrain. No one can

Speaker 12: understand why they were running. The male companion turned around,

Speaker 12: he waved to her.

Speaker 13: A minute later, she.

Speaker 12: Was gone, vanished into thin air, and that red beanie

Speaker 12: was found on a more dangerous path leading off of

Speaker 12: the mountain. This is Mount Waterman, and her scent stopped

Speaker 12: at that beanie fancy very strange. I have spoken to

Speaker 12: close family members who are desperate to find their their sister,

Speaker 12: their mother, their cousin. Monica is a widow. They wanted

Speaker 12: everyone to know that she was not working for any

Speaker 12: type of foreign government, any foreign intelligence. She was studying

Speaker 12: yoga with a specialty in vadic sciences, and she had

Speaker 12: done this for about thirty years, and she was working

Speaker 12: for NASA JPL at the time. One last thing I

Speaker 12: want to say about Monica Nancy is the fact that

Speaker 12: she had an iPhone eight, which meant that her cell

Speaker 12: phone was not going to ping anywhere unless she was

Speaker 12: at a proper place in the mountain for it to work.

Speaker 12: If she would have had an iPhone twelve, it could

Speaker 12: have pinged. But this is one of the most baffling

Speaker 12: things ever. Again because she was with two people, two companions,

Speaker 12: and they both.

Speaker 13: Seem to have a very specific story.

Speaker 12: And as far as I know, Nancy, no one else

Speaker 12: can put Monica on the mountain that day except for

Speaker 12: these two people.

Speaker 1: Lauren Colin. Isn't it true that Monica Hyacintha Reisa got

Speaker 1: her funding from a FRL Air Force research lab and

Speaker 1: she worked closely with and her funding was approved by

Speaker 1: William Neil McCasland, who walked away from his home with

Speaker 1: none of his id, without his phone, without anything on

Speaker 1: him to idea to find who he was except an

Speaker 1: Air Force sweatshirt which was found discarded about two miles away.

Speaker 1: McCaslin oversaw Monica jussin Theresa's projects and okay, the funding

Speaker 1: for her, isn't that true?

Speaker 12: They did overlap, And I you know, I've reached out

Speaker 12: to these places like right Patterson, the Air Force Research Lab,

Speaker 12: and I think I mentioned this to you. It's very

Speaker 12: difficult to get confirmation of what people did exactly and

Speaker 12: and the years that they worked there, you know, So

Speaker 12: I'm going off of LinkedIn for these two in general.

Speaker 12: But yes, Monica Raisa, you know she copatented these high

Speaker 12: strength metal alloys burn resistant alloys. And General McCaslin was

Speaker 12: at the very top. So this to me like they

Speaker 12: are the center of all of this.

Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk to you first. I want

Speaker 1: to play you trying to get answers out of DC

Speaker 1: that chance. Listen to this, everybody, No.

Speaker 13: Thank Red Berchett.

Speaker 12: Nothing on the missing scientist, General McCaslin.

Speaker 6: Shady Maybia you figured it out of course or something

Speaker 6: going on.

Speaker 14: Yes, rabbis, four king prachers, fourteen US car salesman disappeared.

Speaker 14: You'd be asking to lest.

Speaker 1: What was that about the rabbi the preacher in the

Speaker 1: used cars? You know what, I don't want to knock

Speaker 1: around in his head, no offense. I want to talk

Speaker 1: about the facts as we know. Then can we talk

Speaker 1: about McCaslin. By the way, that's from Lauren Collin for

Speaker 1: on TikTok and here she is in the flesh. Can

Speaker 1: we talk about McCasland, because he kicked the whole thing off.

Speaker 1: I mean, his credentials are incredible. First of all, who

Speaker 1: is McCasland, Lauren, Well, he.

Speaker 12: Is pretty much more credentialed, I would say, than any

Speaker 12: president we've had in about two decades. But he oversaw

Speaker 12: eighty percent of the Pentagon's Black Ops project. He was

Speaker 12: a retired Air Force general. He was stationed at Wright

Speaker 12: Patterson obviously the Air Force Research Lab. And Nancy I

Speaker 12: had a very successful Boyer request fulfilled last week where

Speaker 12: I was given by the Bernalio Sheriff's office the last

Speaker 12: known photo of General McCaslin the day before he went missing.

Speaker 12: And I was in shock because I am thinking, why

Speaker 12: am I the one putting this out?

Speaker 13: Why didn't law enforcement or the FBI put this out?

Speaker 12: And not only that in the police report, In one

Speaker 12: of the police reports anyway, they indicate that the FBI

Speaker 12: did in fact join the investigation on March third, so

Speaker 12: I've reached out to them as well. But I will

Speaker 12: say parsing through this and going through all of the

Speaker 12: bodycam footage, all of the interviews, you learn a lot

Speaker 12: about General mccaslin's last few months, and it is very heartbreaking.

Speaker 13: There are certain things that don't add up.

Speaker 12: But also so I do want to point out that

Speaker 12: friends said that starting in January he wasn't himself. He

Speaker 12: was actually in the process of looking for a doctor

Speaker 12: to diagnose whatever he thought that he had listen to this.

Speaker 11: Has he been diagnosed with any mental disorders or anything

Speaker 11: like that. Well, we've been seeing a doc for both

Speaker 11: physical and mental in terms of anxiety, short term memory loss,

Speaker 11: lack of sleep. The same doc I went to see today,

Speaker 11: very very active physically and has always had a very

Speaker 11: sharp mind.

Speaker 7: Retired Major general from PhD.

Speaker 10: From MIP well, and he's been feeling brainfaught today.

Speaker 7: He had taken a drug that the doctor prescribed last

Speaker 7: night that was spot for sleep.

Speaker 5: With weight gain.

Speaker 11: He's lost about twenty pounds for no reason and with anxiety.

Speaker 8: I was shocked this morning when my savvy alart because

Speaker 8: what I noticed Thursday evening is.

Speaker 13: He wasn't his usual self.

Speaker 7: He was kind of spacey and quiet.

Speaker 1: From our friends at Daily Mail to Dave mac Crime Stories,

Speaker 1: investigative reporter who has been on the missing scientists and

Speaker 1: lab workers from the beginning, that McCaslin had multiple senior

Speaker 1: Pentagon roles. He oversaw nuclear research at Los Alamo's National

Speaker 1: Lab who just walked away with no identification on him

Speaker 1: to me, had connections to so many of the others.

Speaker 6: Dave mac wine lyunch pen for the money attached to

Speaker 6: all the research. Nancy, you got to remember McCaslin was

Speaker 6: the Air Force Research Laboratory head at right now Patterson

Speaker 6: Air Force Base in Ohio. This is a position that

Speaker 6: he stayed a until he retired, and he was dealing

Speaker 6: with billions, not millions, but billions of dollars in advanced

Speaker 6: material sciences and future weapons research across the nation and

Speaker 6: all of our centers that we were investigating. So all

Speaker 6: the research that was being done, all the funding that

Speaker 6: came for that research went through mccaslin's hands.

Speaker 1: That's why he was.

Speaker 6: Aware of everybody that was moving around. And he's there

Speaker 6: in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is where Kirtland Air Force

Speaker 6: Base is that's where he retired after leaving Right Patterson

Speaker 6: and Ohio. Well, what do we know about these areas?

Speaker 6: They are huge in the UFO research that has been done,

Speaker 6: and McCaslin is connected to all of these things.

Speaker 1: Joining US tonight and All Star panel. But first I

Speaker 1: want to go to John Nance, former supervisory special agent

Speaker 1: with the FBI assigned to the Miami and DC Field

Speaker 1: offices over twenty years. Mister Nance, thank you for being

Speaker 1: with us tonight. I know you're not a medical examiner,

Speaker 1: but I'm very fatigued with claims that all of these

Speaker 1: top security clearance scientists and lab workers all just walk

Speaker 1: out of their home with no ID, no cell phone.

Speaker 1: Melissa Cassius's cell phone had been factory wiped when her

Speaker 1: daughter found her cell phone, that they all just walk

Speaker 1: out and suddenly have an urge to commit suicide. Melissa

Speaker 1: Cassius gun found near her body. She was completely skeletonized

Speaker 1: by the time her body has been found. Family says

Speaker 1: she was not acting unusually in any way. The family says,

Speaker 1: that's not her gun, that's not our gun. Where did

Speaker 1: that gun come from? And most disturbing, mister Nance, there's

Speaker 1: no bullet at that scene. Anyway, it really doesn't take

Speaker 1: a rocket scientist pardon my pun, to figure out something

Speaker 1: is way off with this story.

Speaker 15: Yeah, none of this makes any sense, the theories surrounding,

Speaker 15: you know, while these people are committing suicide, It just doesn't.

Speaker 15: It just doesn't hold investigative water. There are a lot

Speaker 15: of unanswered questions, especially in Cassis's case. In fact, her

Speaker 15: husband said that part of her story was that she

Speaker 15: was going to return home to get her ID badge,

Speaker 15: when in fact he saw her with the ID badge

Speaker 15: in the vehicle, So that makes no sense. And of course,

Speaker 15: as you've already mentioned, the cell phones, the smartphones being

Speaker 15: reset to factory settings, all these things indicate that she

Speaker 15: she didn't necessarily intend to take her life, but that

Speaker 15: she could have been in fear for her safety in

Speaker 15: some form or fashion and maybe was attempting to escape.

Speaker 15: I mean, that's that's a possibility.

Speaker 1: I want to see the last known image of Melissa Cassillas.

Speaker 1: There she is, Hey, where are all those things she's

Speaker 1: got to backpack with her?

Speaker 11: What?

Speaker 1: Where is all that? Because we haven't heard word one

Speaker 1: about any of that being found by or around her body.

Speaker 1: And also no animal activity she's been missing a long time,

Speaker 1: and her body, her skeleton, is sitting up, undisturbed, pristine,

Speaker 1: leaning against a tree. That defies everything I know about

Speaker 1: a crime scene where a body is found skeletonized, it

Speaker 1: would have fallen apart by now, Lauren Co, what more

Speaker 1: can you tell us about the discovery of Casius's body?

Speaker 7: What do you know?

Speaker 12: Well, I've been in touch with the new Mexico State

Speaker 12: Police and they have been very responsive to me. It

Speaker 12: is the PIO, the Press Information officer, and she has

Speaker 12: indicated she is going back and forth with investigators to

Speaker 12: see if they can disclose what they have.

Speaker 13: Because I submitted a Foyer.

Speaker 12: Request for the autopsy report, and I was denied actually

Speaker 12: two days ago, and not because you.

Speaker 13: Know they couldn't give it to me or wouldn't give

Speaker 13: it to me, It's.

Speaker 12: Because they don't have it completed yet, Nancy, So I,

Speaker 12: like you, I am waiting for the facts. All we

Speaker 12: know officially right now is that there was not an

Speaker 12: initial projectile in this skull, as you mentioned. And this

Speaker 12: photo of Melissa and her daughter, it breaks my heart, Nancy.

Speaker 12: All of everything you've said, the fact that Melissa took

Speaker 12: medication with her her toothbrush with her. That really tells

Speaker 12: me that she wasn't planning on taking her own life.

Speaker 13: So I just want answers. I feel for her family

Speaker 13: to this.

Speaker 3: We cannot vacate my wife. We haven't heard from her

Speaker 3: all day from work with the oil. Was the last

Speaker 3: time I saw where she. My daughter saw her around

Speaker 3: one o'clock. All her stuff was here in the house.

Speaker 3: But she's not here. And it's just not like her

Speaker 3: to not call hope to check in and and take

Speaker 3: her purse and her phone. And it looks like her

Speaker 3: phone has been my godter's. It looks like it's been reset.

Speaker 3: But there, you know.

Speaker 13: So we left all around the house, everywhere on our property.

Speaker 3: We cannot find her or nothing, and.

Speaker 4: I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3: So Carl that she was in the purchair at the house.

Speaker 3: The keys are here, the house was lost, everything was

Speaker 3: is here, you know what I mean. So she went

Speaker 3: from the father, she came home. Well, car was here

Speaker 3: parked in the yard. The keys are on the kitchen cable.

Speaker 3: What's her name, I'm Alysita Cass And we called the

Speaker 3: hospital see because I mean, you know, no, there's no

Speaker 3: one in there, you know, at all like that because

Speaker 3: we thought, well, maybe if something happened to her her

Speaker 3: personal everything cires of no one will be able to

Speaker 3: identify her.

Speaker 1: And as you said, it was she took with her phone.

Speaker 3: She didn't take nothing, seeing her phone and everything's here,

Speaker 3: and she always takes her stuff with her. My daughter

Speaker 3: was trying to attract her location and they always track

Speaker 3: each other, but her, but her phone's wipe. The thing

Speaker 3: is what we get. And she would never have wiped

Speaker 3: all the pictures off and all the information off of

Speaker 3: her poem.

Speaker 1: That is Mouskasi is his husband's nine on one call

Speaker 1: that we have just obtained. Joining me now. Glenn Anne

Speaker 1: Johnson Glenn Anne is a former weapons engineer let that

Speaker 1: sink in just for a moment. At the US Department

Speaker 1: of Defense. She worked in Huntsville. Why do we keep

Speaker 1: hearing Huntsville? That is where a NASA installation exists and

Speaker 1: there is also a very you know to us lay

Speaker 1: people mysterious lab there as well. She worked at Kirkland

Speaker 1: Air Force Base in New Mexico, where Mchason worked. She

Speaker 1: worked at the Naval Service War Center. She has worked

Speaker 1: on multiple high tech military weapons, including de W lasers,

Speaker 1: nukes for the Navy and Air Force. Glenn Ann, are

Speaker 1: you tired of hearing about highly, highly influential US scientists

Speaker 1: and lab workers just walking away and committing suicide like

Speaker 1: it is? Said Amy Eskridge did after she told Milburn,

Speaker 1: if I end up dead, I did not commit suicide.

Speaker 1: Know that.

Speaker 16: Now cause US So I don't believe any of them

Speaker 16: committed suicide. And I think we're actually I think the

Speaker 16: reason that the reporter got crickets in DC is because

Speaker 16: there's a full investigation ongoing where I think we're kind

Speaker 16: of at an old fashioned Moscow rules, And in the

Speaker 16: old days it was an unwritten rule that if you

Speaker 16: kill one of our people, we kill one of yours,

Speaker 16: you know, United States in Russia. I think this is

Speaker 16: ongoing with scientists right now. I think they're being maybe

Speaker 16: kidnapped and then interrogated and then murdered. And I think

Speaker 16: they're making some of them look like suicide so that

Speaker 16: it's more deniable and it won't have a full investigation.

Speaker 16: But there's so many of them at this point that

Speaker 16: it's occurred to that it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1: Do you believe that Melissica see US's injuries could have

Speaker 1: been caused. See I'm going with a good old fashioned

Speaker 1: bullet or black object because I understand that. But with

Speaker 1: your knowledge, Glenn Anne, do you believe she could have

Speaker 1: succumbed to a dew directed energy weapon?

Speaker 16: It's possible. I think she was probably. I think she

Speaker 16: was hit with directed energy weapons to get her to

Speaker 16: leave her family to protect them. And I think that

Speaker 16: she was probably interrogated, which may have involved some kinetic

Speaker 16: attacks to her schol and what have you. But I

Speaker 16: think that she was lured away from her home by

Speaker 16: the directed energy weapons.

Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Many people believe that several

Speaker 1: of the seventeen missing or dead are connected to McCaslin.

Speaker 1: Also missing. Let me understand, Lauren Conlin, the connection between

Speaker 1: Melissa Cassius, an administrator at la n L Los Alamos

Speaker 1: Nuclear Lab and afr L that's the Air Force Research Lab.

Speaker 1: That's Melissa okay, who took whe her two very odd

Speaker 1: items at torpedoes. The working theory as to how she died. Now,

Speaker 1: both Cassius and Chavez were at af RL Air Force

Speaker 1: Research Lab. Okay, Now wait for it, McCaslin, General will

Speaker 1: William Neil McCaslin oversaw the funding, all the funding at

Speaker 1: a f r L. He also oversaw Monica Jacintousa who

Speaker 1: also disappeared. Also Stephen Garcia built parts for nuclear weapons

Speaker 1: connected to a fr L air Force research lab. That's

Speaker 1: how they're all connected, and the connections, they're like tentacles

Speaker 1: that go to all of these missing and dead scientists.

Speaker 1: Now they want me to believe that Melissa Seas shot herself,

Speaker 1: what like Amy Eskridge. Let me see that picture one

Speaker 1: more time of her walking along the bridge. This is

Speaker 1: the last known photo of Melissa Cassias, the last, the

Speaker 1: final image of her alive. It's from a surveillance camera

Speaker 1: in your state, Road five one eight in New Mexico.

Speaker 1: This is three miles from her home. That's something to

Speaker 1: ponder as well. Typically in self inflicted mortal wounds, the

Speaker 1: person doesn't go for a hike. First tonight, what happened

Speaker 1: to scientist Aiden Schaeffer, as yet another scientist has been

Speaker 1: looped into this last name, will Cox straight out to

Speaker 1: Special Guests joining us Georgia Bradburn joining us from the

Speaker 1: UK host of Liminality, who has broken the latest on

Speaker 1: a deceased scientist, Aidan Shaeffer you can find on YouTube

Speaker 1: Interliminality Georgia. Thank you for being with us, Aiden Schaeffer.

Speaker 1: What did he study?

Speaker 11: So?

Speaker 17: Aidan was looking into alternative propulsion. He was involved in

Speaker 17: space ports in college. He was studying multiple aspects of

Speaker 17: ways to get humans into space, and he is believed

Speaker 17: to have been working on anti gravity towards the end

Speaker 17: of his life. Unfortunately, but what he was doing towards

Speaker 17: the and unfortunately we do not know, It's unclear what

Speaker 17: it was he was working on.

Speaker 1: You know, I'm just curious when you say propulsion, Georgia,

Speaker 1: are you referring to jet propulsion.

Speaker 17: I believe it was field effect propulsion that Aidan was

Speaker 17: looking into. He wanted to find any sort of altern

Speaker 17: that would get humans into space. He was aiming to

Speaker 17: do that by some sort of clean energy alternative. From

Speaker 17: what I can gather, he was very much involved in

Speaker 17: an alternative to jet engines. He wanted us to get there,

Speaker 17: and he was involved in space elevators as well. He

Speaker 17: was doing that for five years. So his research and

Speaker 17: development was all got geared towards humans in space and

Speaker 17: looking for alternative ways.

Speaker 1: To get us there. Aiden Schaeffer born raised New Mexico,

Speaker 1: New Mexico popping up again fascinating with science space technology

Speaker 1: in a field known as field effect propulsion.

Speaker 14: Listen, I'm curious if the PRC is watching. I know

Speaker 14: they're in my phone. I've alluded to that earlier today.

Speaker 14: So and that's not just paranoia, that's my professional work

Speaker 14: life due to being on the inside of APEC, because

Speaker 14: I know China is in my phone, meaning that there's

Speaker 14: a unit of people somewhere in Hong Kong that have

Speaker 14: the same level of access as the NSA. So anyway

Speaker 14: you signal everybody that's him.

Speaker 1: That's Aidan Schaeffer speaking about his fear based on certain

Speaker 1: incidents that had occurred that his phone was for lack

Speaker 1: of a better word, tapped. That is from vlog of

Speaker 1: the Dead. It's on YouTube. And now I want you

Speaker 1: to hear something that Chris Schwecker told us.

Speaker 18: So it would not be out of the realm of

Speaker 18: possibility that China or Russia or some other hostile foreign

Speaker 18: intelligence service would kidnap one of our scientists and try

Speaker 18: to extract information out of them or turn them, you know,

Speaker 18: into a double agent. General public tends to be a

Speaker 18: little bit unaware of the prolific efforts to steal our

Speaker 18: sensitive technologies from a to thereafter. It day in and

Speaker 18: day out, and thereafter the people that are working on it.

Speaker 18: It's a comprehensive, ongoing effort on the part of hostile

Speaker 18: foreign intelligence services to steal our technology. I think we're

Speaker 18: going to see this list grow and it's going to

Speaker 18: play out in the public eye because it's of great

Speaker 18: interest to the public.

Speaker 1: That is our guest tonight, our friend Chris Sweicker, forming

Speaker 1: FI Assistant director, speaking to Fox Nation. But let's hear

Speaker 1: it from the horse's mouth, you know, Chris. So often

Speaker 1: when we hear someone say I think somebody's listening on

Speaker 1: on my phone, you immediately think they're crazy. Right, this guy,

Speaker 1: Aiden Schaeffer, we just saw him speaking. He's not crazy.

Speaker 1: He thought someone was listening to his phone or gathering

Speaker 1: information from his phone. And at your level at the FBI,

Speaker 1: that is not uncommon.

Speaker 19: You can't overstate how how aggressive and proactive, especially China

Speaker 19: is in trying to gather up and steal our technology.

Speaker 19: And it isn't, you know, just technology in the hands

Speaker 19: of our defense establishment, if you will, it's any technology

Speaker 19: that's helpful to them that will help them compete, you know,

Speaker 19: in the world marketplace, and you know in military, in

Speaker 19: you know, research and development, because they don't do their

Speaker 19: own research and development. They reverse engineer just about everything.

Speaker 19: They don't have the you know, the initiatives and the

Speaker 19: freedom that we have here to do that, you know,

Speaker 19: research and technology. So there after it every day, he sounded,

Speaker 19: you know, I agree with you. You sound a little paranoid.

Speaker 19: But just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out

Speaker 19: to get you. And in this case that may well

Speaker 19: have been true, because China, especially Russia, is at it too,

Speaker 19: but they're a little more clumsy and they're easier to detect.

Speaker 19: China is at it all day, every day, through cyber means,

Speaker 19: through trying to compromise. Scientists, go to trade shows, introduce

Speaker 19: born exchange students. They're at it all the time. And

Speaker 19: you know, it wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Speaker 19: And this is an alternative theory that one or more

Speaker 19: of these scientists had been turned. And now you're in

Speaker 19: You're in it and you can never get out of it.

Speaker 19: The only way you can get out of it is

Speaker 19: and to take your own life.

Speaker 1: Chris I want you and everyone else on our guest

Speaker 1: Pedel tonight. I've been watching the videos of Aiden Schaeffer

Speaker 1: over and over and over. I'm just a lay person

Speaker 1: to detect what I can. I've looked at every word.

Speaker 1: I just want you to see and hear him speaking. Listen.

Speaker 14: If you're the Ufology thing, if you've talked with Amy,

Speaker 14: you probably have seen this once or twice. It's say,

Speaker 14: very hastily done model. Heures what is inside. It's a

Speaker 14: technical model. So just trying to learn how to build

Speaker 14: a flying saucer. And yes, everything shapes me things that

Speaker 14: the parts inside may not actually reflect reality. If anything,

Speaker 14: I kind of want to redo this one, maybe make

Speaker 14: it a bit shorter so it's tighter.

Speaker 1: I just wanted you to see that. And there's so

Speaker 1: much more that's from the vlog of the Dead. That

Speaker 1: is aident Shaef for speaking, and there's a lot of

Speaker 1: it and he's not just based on that, but everything

Speaker 1: I've learned, he's brilliant. Joining me now is Lou Alissando,

Speaker 1: former US Army counter intelligence special agent, former employee Office

Speaker 1: Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, former Director of Advance Aerospace

Speaker 1: Threat Identification Program and UFO whistleblower. Wow. Uh, mister Alessando,

Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us tonight.

Speaker 1: Also very curious about Matthew Sullivan aka Quake. Is it

Speaker 1: true or do you know whether an autopsy was ever

Speaker 1: ever performed on Sullivan and what was said to be

Speaker 1: his cause of death.

Speaker 5: Yeah, So rather than share what I don't know, let

Speaker 5: me share you with you what I do know. He

Speaker 5: was an Air Force intelligence officer. He was a colleague

Speaker 5: of one of my colleagues at the time, Dave Grusch.

Speaker 5: Dave grush and I had worked at US Space Force together,

Speaker 5: and Sullivan wanted to come forward and have a conversation

Speaker 5: with certain members of Congress about the Air Force's involvement

Speaker 5: in the UFO program, and he was slated within I

Speaker 5: think twenty four hours. He had gone to Washington, d C.

Speaker 5: And was in a hotel from my understanding, and was

Speaker 5: going to have a conversation with some members of Congress.

Speaker 5: Any skiff, a skiff is a sensitive compartment and information facility,

Speaker 5: so it's kind of like a think of a sequet

Speaker 5: in vault where you can have conversations at the classified level.

Speaker 5: And the day before he was supposed to have a

Speaker 5: conversation or two days before he wound up being found dead.

Speaker 1: I knew.

Speaker 5: What I do know is that there was a while

Speaker 5: before the medical examiner even released a report. It kept

Speaker 5: getting delayed and delayed and delayed. I don't know the

Speaker 5: reason why it was delayed, but I do know that

Speaker 5: members of Congress were very concerned the fact that this

Speaker 5: individual was supposed to testify and wound up dead. And

Speaker 5: by the way, this wasn't the only one. There was

Speaker 5: another another individual whose name I won't mention because it

Speaker 5: hasn't been made public yet, but he was an individual,

Speaker 5: an engineer, who was allegedly tied to the exploitation of

Speaker 5: recovered UFO material. He was a He was talking to

Speaker 5: one of my colleagues, and he was going to go

Speaker 5: talk to Congress about his knowledge about legacy US government

Speaker 5: legacy UFO efforts. Within I think a week or so

Speaker 5: before he was supposed to go to Washington, d C.

Speaker 5: He wound up dying. And the cause of death I

Speaker 5: don't know, but one of my colleagues was following it

Speaker 5: very closely and was concerned enough to tell me, hey, look,

Speaker 5: you know people are starting to disappear. You may want

Speaker 5: to be very careful. So there does seem to be

Speaker 5: a very interesting You can call it a coincidence. But

Speaker 5: in my line of work as a former intelligence officer,

Speaker 5: you know, when things happened once, it's an anomaly. When

Speaker 5: things happened twice, you could chalk it up as a coincidence.

Speaker 5: But when it happens three times, now you have a trend.

Speaker 1: That said, I'm going to be remiss if I did

Speaker 1: not mention physicist, brilliant physicist, doctor ning Lee. She had

Speaker 1: been awarded four hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the

Speaker 1: DoD and she disappeared briefly. Then she was mowed down

Speaker 1: in a crosswalk. Nobody else went out in the crosswalk,

Speaker 1: but she was suddenly thrust into the walk. She got

Speaker 1: mowed down. Her husband immediately had a heart attack and

Speaker 1: later died. She was brain dad and then later died.

Speaker 1: To Stephanie Harlow joining us coosed Crime Weekly podcast, what

Speaker 1: can you tell me about her? I know she's Chinese American,

Speaker 1: and I know that she was brilliant, and I know

Speaker 1: nobody but her ended up in that crosswalk when she

Speaker 1: got mowed down.

Speaker 8: Doctor Ningley worked at the University of Alabama in Huntsville,

Speaker 8: and she was doing anti gravity work and research there.

Speaker 8: She then left the university after a significant amount of

Speaker 8: time there and she started her own business. And then

Speaker 8: the government came calling and they gave her that grant

Speaker 8: to work on continued anti gravity research because this is Huntsville,

Speaker 8: they do that stuff there as well as advanced propulsion research.

Speaker 7: And then and she started working with the government.

Speaker 8: And at that point she kind of went dark, and

Speaker 8: there was a big thing online for a while because

Speaker 8: people thought she disappeared.

Speaker 7: She was off the map for quite a bit. And

Speaker 7: there was a journalist who.

Speaker 8: Was trying to find her to talk to her about

Speaker 8: her research, and he couldn't find her, and he reached

Speaker 8: out to another anti gravity researcher, Eugene Polannach, and Eugene said, oh,

Speaker 8: she's working for the government. She just can't talk to

Speaker 8: anybody about what she's doing right now. But Eugene also said,

Speaker 8: I haven't been able to reach her either. And it

Speaker 8: was several years later when this same journalist finally tracked

Speaker 8: down doctor Ningley's son, and the son said she had

Speaker 8: been a hit. She had been in a terrible car

Speaker 8: accident which had left her with permanent brain damage. She

Speaker 8: developed dementia and then he took care of her for

Speaker 8: several years until she finally passed away from this.

Speaker 7: But she was never the same obviously, she never went

Speaker 7: back to work.

Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Stephanie, is that doctor Lee has

Speaker 1: been compared to Amelia Earhart. She is the Amelia Earhart

Speaker 1: of physics, the scientists that many people say quote discovered

Speaker 1: anti gravity. That's the significance of who is doctor ning Lee.

Speaker 1: She was brilliant. Now I'm hearing that a female space

Speaker 1: scientist died after a boulder fell on her car. What's

Speaker 1: the odds of that happening? Straight out to Lauren Conlin,

Speaker 1: joining US investigative reporter with the Los Angeles LA magazine,

Speaker 1: star of Pop Crime TV co host. You can find

Speaker 1: her at Pop Crime TV. Lauren, why did I have

Speaker 1: to find that Barry? Amongst all sorts of outlandish theories

Speaker 1: regarding these missing scientists and dead scientists, is any of

Speaker 1: that true? Who is Ingrid Lane? And is it true

Speaker 1: she has disappeared but her car is found with a

Speaker 1: boulder attack.

Speaker 13: Yes, so, as far as we know, Nancy, she is

Speaker 13: still alive. She is just missing.

Speaker 12: Ingrid Lane she was a beautiful musician. She played the violin,

Speaker 12: but she was also a neuroscientist and a bioengineer affiliated

Speaker 12: with the Mind Research Network at the University of New Mexico. Now,

Speaker 12: this place, the Mind Research Network, it had ties to

Speaker 12: Los Alamos and San Dia National Laboratories. So that is

Speaker 12: where this very very striking connection comes in. The way

Speaker 12: that Ingrid disappeared is so chilling. Nancy she was actually

Speaker 12: at a retreat that she was supposed to be on

Speaker 12: a week long retreat at a place called the Bodhi

Speaker 12: Manda Zen Center. And according to reports and friends and family,

Speaker 12: she was very familiar with this place. She had been

Speaker 12: going there, I guess on and off for about ten years.

Speaker 12: It was about an hour from where she lived in

Speaker 12: the Albuquerque area. So she's there for one day. The

Speaker 12: very next day she tells people that she's going for

Speaker 12: a drive. She's got to go back to Albuquerque. She's

Speaker 12: got to go back to Los Alamos. She wants to

Speaker 12: hike over there, and she'll be back later. Now this

Speaker 12: struck a few people as odd because it's like you're

Speaker 12: going on a Zen retreat, but now you want to

Speaker 12: drive a bunch of hours even though you're supposed to

Speaker 12: be meditating. Now here's where it gets a little weird.

Speaker 12: So she's driving along State Route one point forty four

Speaker 12: near the San Antonio Mountain Andy Vaya's Calleedra National Preserve.

Speaker 12: She is going up and up and up to the

Speaker 12: top of this mountain. Now two people her because she

Speaker 12: is having car trouble, and they ask her, you know,

Speaker 12: do you need some help, and she says, you know,

Speaker 12: I'm fine, I will fix my car. They said, she

Speaker 12: seemed very determined to get to the top of this mountain.

Speaker 12: So according to these two people, they walk along and

Speaker 12: she continues. Now, later, as you mentioned, her car was

Speaker 12: found after there was an Apple air tag that police

Speaker 12: tracked when she was reported missing. Now, there was a

Speaker 12: large boulder that had shattered near the rear hatch window

Speaker 12: of her Subaru, and the front showed reportedly major front

Speaker 12: and collision damage. We don't really have an explanation about that.

Speaker 12: But three laptops found inside that car, and Nancy an

Speaker 12: unactivated burner phone and her keys were still in the ignition.

Speaker 1: The toll is now up to eighteen missing or dead scientists.

Speaker 1: And I want you to listen to this You've got

Speaker 1: Michason who just walked away and never seen again, Schaeffer

Speaker 1: who died in custody on a contested claim assent. Theresa

Speaker 1: just seemingly is just beamed up out of a heavily

Speaker 1: wooded area. She's never seen again. Chevez still missing. Cassias

Speaker 1: now claims she committed suicide, although no cod has been offered.

Speaker 1: There's no bullet, which means no suicide. Garcia missing, may

Speaker 1: Wald no cause of death since twenty twenty four. Jason

Speaker 1: Thomas is found dead in a pond. Michael David Hicks.

Speaker 1: It was said he died of obesity. Okay, Amy Eskridge,

Speaker 1: David Wilcock, Joshua le Blank, Matthew Sullivan, top clearance, Ning Lee,

Speaker 1: renowned scientists, walks in from of a car. Ingrid Lane

Speaker 1: still missing after a boulder attacked her car. But where

Speaker 1: was her body? Kevin Childress dead on the sofa. Okay,

Speaker 1: Glenn Ann Johnson, weapons engineer with the US Department of Defense.

Speaker 1: What do you make of the list I just gave you?

Speaker 19: Well, it's happening.

Speaker 16: What happened to them is happening to a lot of

Speaker 16: people with top secret clearance that had nothing to do

Speaker 16: with UFOs and found foreign malicious code and parts in

Speaker 16: US systems, especially US Air Force systems, And they changed

Speaker 16: my medical records to say that I had anxiety, mental depression,

Speaker 16: things that I've never had, and it was from medical

Speaker 16: records from Vanderbilt, a place I've never been. So they

Speaker 16: were setting it up to do the same thing to me.

Speaker 16: It's happening to my friends that owned companies that found

Speaker 16: code injections from the same locations Huntsville, Alabama and Curtland

Speaker 16: Air Force Base, New Mexico. So I think that all

Speaker 16: of these people's connection is that they tried to stop

Speaker 16: terrorism and counter terrorism from occurring. They blew the whistle

Speaker 16: on something and there are people, bad actors that murdered

Speaker 16: them for it, and they made it look like a suicide.

Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding the

Speaker 1: missing and dead scientists and lab workers, please dial eight hundred,

Speaker 1: Call FBI eight hundred, call FBI two two five five

Speaker 1: three two four. We remember American hero Captain Christopher Guero,

Speaker 1: New York State Police died as a result of being

Speaker 1: a hero and the September eleven attacks. Served our country

Speaker 1: for twenty three years, leaving behind his wife Gillian, and

Speaker 1: two daughters, Ella and Maggie. American hero Captain Christopher Guero.

Speaker 1: Thank you to our guest, but especially you for being

Speaker 1: with us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but

Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,