DOUBLE KILLER O.J. SIMPSON GETS SLAP IN THE FACE BEYOND THE GRAVE

The Buffalo Bills new Wall of Fame at the new Highmark Stadium will not have an exhibit on former running back O.J. Simpson.  Bills COO Pete Guelli says Simpson is "not a fit" to be displayed inside the organization's new facility.  This decision has sparked a divided response from the fanbase as many still do not believe "The Juice" as he was known, killed ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson. A group called the "Committee to Preserve OJ Simpson's Place in Buffalo Bills History" has actively started a petition to demand the team reverse its stance, citing Simpson's undeniable on-field accomplishments and his legacy as an MVP.

A stunning interview the former NFL star gave in 2006 leaves no doubt.  The remarkable video was forgotten until it was rediscovered in an office that was being cleaned at FOX Studios. Simpson's purportedly hypothetical scenario of what happened at Nicole's condo the night of June 12, 1994 was on it. Nancy Grace is joined by death scene investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, Judge Ashley Wilcott, and Investigative reporter Art Harris.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take that orenthal, James Simpson.

Speaker 1: That's right.

Speaker 2: O J.

Speaker 1: Simpson finally gets one of the many many slaps in

Speaker 1: the face he deserves. Some would argue he deserves the

Speaker 1: death penalty for a double murder that did not happen,

Speaker 1: but at least now revenge best served cold. I'm Nancy Grace.

Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

Speaker 1: being with us in the last hours we learn the Bills,

Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills refuse to honor O. J. Simpson at

Speaker 1: Highmark Stadium in Western New York as part of the

Speaker 1: team's Family Circle area just outside the incredible venue. They're

Speaker 1: moving into this brand new stadium, and they're leaving part

Speaker 1: of their past behind them. They say, quote, we have

Speaker 1: made an organization decision that he is not fit to

Speaker 1: display inside our new stadium in family circle. That according

Speaker 1: to the Bill's president of Business Operations, Pete Goule, well,

Speaker 1: what's about time somebody said double murder and domestic abuse

Speaker 1: Trump's being an All star athlete. Now the family Circle

Speaker 1: will include American Bison statutes and plaques that honor the

Speaker 1: past great football players who wore the Bill's jersey. The

Speaker 1: Red and the Blue. Simpson spent nine of his eleven

Speaker 1: years in the NFL with the Bills. He led the

Speaker 1: league in rushing four times, including the seventy three season

Speaker 1: that was when he eclipsed the two thousand yard plateau.

Speaker 1: But none of it, none of it, all the football glory,

Speaker 1: all the gridiron greatness cannot erase the bloodstain on the

Speaker 1: memory of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. This is what

Speaker 1: happened after all this time, Simpson confesses and it is

Speaker 1: caught on tape. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Joining me, of course,

Speaker 1: is Alan Duke. Alan, you're there in La weighing in

Speaker 1: on this, Nancy.

Speaker 3: The story of how this apparent confession video was lost

Speaker 3: for a dozen years is crazy. I was invited to

Speaker 3: Fox Studios in Los Angeles to view the raw video

Speaker 3: even as they were still working to turn it into

Speaker 3: the documentary that just aired. Work on the original documentary

Speaker 3: was abandoned in two thousand and six for what reason,

Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but I was told it was forgotten about,

Speaker 3: lost found only in recent weeks when they were clearing

Speaker 3: out an office at Fox Television. When they put the

Speaker 3: tape in an old machine to see what it was.

Speaker 3: They were stunned, but quickly realized how valuable and significant

Speaker 3: it was, and it took them little time to hire

Speaker 3: Solidad O'Brien to help turn it into the show that

Speaker 3: was aired this month by Fox Television.

Speaker 1: Let's just kick it off. Take a listen to O. J.

Speaker 1: Simpson in his own word, six uninterrupted minutes. OJ puts

Speaker 1: himself hypothetically at the scene of the crime.

Speaker 4: The chapter, chapter six is called the Night in Question.

Speaker 4: And you're writ in the book. Now picture this and

Speaker 4: keep in mind that this is pure hypothetical, hypothetical, hypothetical.

Speaker 4: Why don't you tell me what might have happened on

Speaker 4: the night of June twelfth, nineteen ninety four, And let's

Speaker 4: just walk through the mine.

Speaker 2: Well, first of on, this is very difficult for me

Speaker 2: to do this. It was very difficult for me because

Speaker 2: it's hypothetical. I know, and I accept the fact that

Speaker 2: people are going to feel whatever, what are they.

Speaker 5: Going to feel?

Speaker 2: You know, they gonna you know, some whatever whatever they

Speaker 2: want to feel. In the book, the hypothetical is Arlie, Charlie.

Speaker 2: This guy Charlie shows up, the guy who had we

Speaker 2: used to become friends with and Uh.

Speaker 5: I don't know why you had been buying.

Speaker 2: The closet house, but it told me you wouldn't believe

Speaker 2: what's going on over there.

Speaker 5: And and I.

Speaker 2: Remember thinking, well, whatever's going over there has got to stop, right,

Speaker 2: So we kind of hooked up together. And you know,

Speaker 2: I'm kind of broad stroking this. We go over get

Speaker 2: in the moronco and go over it.

Speaker 4: Let's let's just go back and do the details. Where

Speaker 4: did you park in the detail?

Speaker 2: You pathetic in the alley, park.

Speaker 4: In the alley, and you've put on well cap and gloves.

Speaker 2: Uh, and nypathetical. I put on cap and gloves.

Speaker 4: And you reached under the seat for.

Speaker 5: A knife.

Speaker 2: I always kept a knife in that car for the

Speaker 2: crazies and uff because you can't travel with a gun.

Speaker 2: And I remember Charlie is saying you ain't bringing it,

Speaker 2: and I didn't, right, but I believe he took it.

Speaker 4: Charlie took the knife in the book. Yeah, yes, So

Speaker 4: the back gate, you go through the back gate, yes,

Speaker 4: and it was open or broken or I don't recall.

Speaker 2: I go to the front and I'm looking to see

Speaker 2: what's going on, and I can see that it appears

Speaker 2: like Nicole had I had candles all the time. She

Speaker 2: really did to keep her overhead out and I think

Speaker 2: and music was on.

Speaker 5: And while I was there, a guy shows.

Speaker 4: Up, So Ron Goldman comes in the back age.

Speaker 5: Yeah, a guy I really didn't recognize.

Speaker 2: I may have seen him around, but I really didn't

Speaker 2: recognize him to be anyone.

Speaker 5: And in the mood I was in, I started having

Speaker 5: words with him.

Speaker 4: She says to you, I just came by to return

Speaker 4: a pair of glasses. Judy left them at the restaurant.

Speaker 5: Yeah, words to that effect.

Speaker 2: Yes, and and uh, he don't know if I believe

Speaker 2: it or didn't believe it. It was pretty much immaterial because

Speaker 2: you know, Uh, I was more concerned about everything that

Speaker 2: everything that was going on, you know, and was fed

Speaker 2: up with it, I guess.

Speaker 4: And uh, you get into a fight, Nicole comes out.

Speaker 2: Verbal a verbal verbal fight got a little loud, and

Speaker 2: by that time Nicole had come out and we started

Speaker 2: having words about who is this guy?

Speaker 5: Wise? He here? What's going on?

Speaker 4: And she says, this is my house, that the f

Speaker 4: on here?

Speaker 2: Yes, and uh, which I didn't like because once again,

Speaker 2: this is the same person. And if you read the book.

Speaker 2: You'll see some things that happened in the two weeks

Speaker 2: leading up to this that were very, very irritating, you know.

Speaker 2: And I think Charlie had followed this guy in one

Speaker 2: make sure there was no problem, and he brought the

Speaker 2: knife as things got heated. Uh, I just remember the

Speaker 2: cold fell and hurt herself and uh, this guy kind

Speaker 2: of got into a karate thing and I said, well,

Speaker 2: you think you can kick my ass? And I remember

Speaker 2: I grabbed a knife. I do remember that portion taking

Speaker 2: a knife from Charlie, And to be honest, after that,

Speaker 2: I don't remember except I'm standing there and there's all

Speaker 2: kind of stuff.

Speaker 5: Around and.

Speaker 4: What kind of stuff but and stuff around, you know, we.

Speaker 5: You know, I hate to say this.

Speaker 2: I know we got to back up again, Okay, had

Speaker 2: I want to back up to try to make people

Speaker 2: think that I'm.

Speaker 4: You wrote in the book I had never seen so

Speaker 4: much blood in my life. Mm hmmm, yes, covered, you're

Speaker 4: covered the scene. Can you describe?

Speaker 2: It's hard for me to describe it. I'm telling you,

Speaker 2: I don't think any two people could be murdered the

Speaker 2: way they were without everybody been covered in blood. And

Speaker 2: of course I think we've all seen the grizzly pictures after,

Speaker 2: So yeah, I think everything was covered, would have been

Speaker 2: covered in blood.

Speaker 4: And what goes through your mind at a time.

Speaker 5: Like that, I don't know. It's like what happened, right.

Speaker 4: You write about removing a glove before taking the knife

Speaker 4: from Charlie.

Speaker 2: You know, I had no conscious memory of doing that,

Speaker 2: but obviously I must have because they found a glove there.

Speaker 4: And blacking out. Have you ever blacked out before?

Speaker 5: Not to my knowledge, No, of course.

Speaker 2: Of course, if something like this would take place in

Speaker 2: anybody's life, if it were to happen, I would imagine

Speaker 2: it's something that you would probably automatically have trouble wrapping.

Speaker 5: Your mind around it. It was horrible. It was absolutely.

Speaker 1: Horrible, staggering first hand details about the crime scene, which

Speaker 1: he says are hypothetical.

Speaker 4: You wrote in the book, I have never seen so

Speaker 4: much blood in my life.

Speaker 5: Yes, it's hard for me to describe it.

Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I don't think any two people could

Speaker 2: be murdered the way they were without everybody been covered

Speaker 2: in blood.

Speaker 4: Then you see bloody footprints and you decide to take off.

Speaker 2: Yes, actually I believe Charlie kept saying we got to

Speaker 2: get out of here.

Speaker 4: And in the book you describe taking off your shoes,

Speaker 4: your pants, and your shirt and dropping it in a bundle.

Speaker 4: To remember that, Uh, yes, and remember what happens.

Speaker 5: I was like, you're going to do it.

Speaker 2: You know, somebody's got to get rid of as you

Speaker 2: may have called doing the trial is wear the bloody clothes.

Speaker 5: So somebody had to get rid of the bloody clothes.

Speaker 4: And you had left your keys and wallet in your

Speaker 4: pants pocket and you had to go back and get.

Speaker 5: It, you know, to be honest, I think I know

Speaker 5: that to be true.

Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And Charlie is the Sarahles screaming Jesus Christ

Speaker 4: or Jay Jesus Christ, and.

Speaker 2: He's in a panic. He was in a panic, and

Speaker 2: I'm telling him to shut up. Let's get out of here.

Speaker 4: So you get back in the car. You're taking your clothes,

Speaker 4: and drove back and.

Speaker 2: Parked the block away because I knew the limbo would

Speaker 2: be there, and came across the backyard through the two

Speaker 2: tennis courts, and you.

Speaker 4: Know, came through the house, so you went through the neighbors.

Speaker 5: Neighbors.

Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a tennis court and then I had

Speaker 2: a tennis.

Speaker 4: Court and you go into the house and what happens

Speaker 4: in the house.

Speaker 2: I ran upstairs take a shower. I actually ran upstairs.

Speaker 2: He took some of my bags and came back downstairs

Speaker 2: and put them out front.

Speaker 1: Joining me right now. Forensic expert in his field, Professor

Speaker 1: of Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott Morgan, also

Speaker 1: with me, a sitting judge, renowned victim's advocate Ashley Wilcott.

Speaker 1: Also with me, Emmy Award winning reporter, investigative journalist Art Harris.

Speaker 1: Art Harris, you know, Simpson, you have covered the story forever.

Speaker 1: You were there during the entire drama. You know some

Speaker 1: things never changed, do they aren't?

Speaker 6: Matthew what shocks me. People would come up to me

Speaker 6: like they probably did you and asked, do you think

Speaker 6: he's guilty? Well, after covering him for twenty four years

Speaker 6: and hearing this confession, which I would call it, they

Speaker 6: can't ever ask the question again. This is oj recreating

Speaker 6: a lot of the things that we believed and reported

Speaker 6: from other sources. He is telling us how he did

Speaker 6: the crime hypothetically, but it doesn't come off that way

Speaker 6: because he shifts into the first person and it is

Speaker 6: really really disgusting to listen to a convicted killer who

Speaker 6: once upon a time was making money off or would

Speaker 6: have off this book and off the interview.

Speaker 1: Out to Joseph Scott, Morgan, Joe Scott. When you hear

Speaker 1: it laid out that way, it addresses every question that

Speaker 1: was raised at trial way in from your point of view.

Speaker 7: Yeah, what we have, Nancy, is that this this hypothetical

Speaker 7: that he puts puts forward actually kind of marries up

Speaker 7: with a lot of the things that we see presented

Speaker 7: vis vis the crime scene reports at the time and

Speaker 7: and his presence there, and that's the key to all

Speaker 7: of this connectivity between him and the violence that was

Speaker 7: exacted exacted on these people. Let's keep in mind, Nancy,

Speaker 7: his you know, revisiting past history here. His DNA doesn't

Speaker 7: just show up miraculously at the scene. It was it

Speaker 7: was physically there. It was physically adjacent to to other

Speaker 7: evidence at that scene, and it's it's quite compelling. So yeah,

Speaker 7: it just it baffles my mind as as a death

Speaker 7: investigator that we're literally sitting here listening to him kind

Speaker 7: of narrate this event in this in this odd bizarre

Speaker 7: way that he does, you know, and and and kind

Speaker 7: of uh, you know, embroidered with this bizarre laughter that

Speaker 7: he insulds every now and yeah.

Speaker 1: You know, ash Willcott, the laughter is so bizarre is

Speaker 1: a good way to describe it. But the way I

Speaker 1: mean you look at him in the face, Ashan, You

Speaker 1: and I have had so many lying witnesses on the

Speaker 1: stand and watch them. Looks right at my old friend

Speaker 1: Judith Reagan and says, Charlie told him all this and

Speaker 1: with a straight face. With the straight face, and what

Speaker 1: a crazy hypothetical. This so called Charlie no last name, says, man,

Speaker 1: do you know what's happening over there? I mean from

Speaker 1: Simpson's home. You cannot see what's happening at Bundy. Okay,

Speaker 1: you can't see what's happening in Nicole Brown's home. So

Speaker 1: this Charlie person comes in and says, hey, you know

Speaker 1: what's happening over there? And they get in the car

Speaker 1: and go over And now we learn Simpson keeps his

Speaker 1: knife under his seat, Ashley, if I were.

Speaker 8: The sitting judge and if this hypothetical scenario flash confession

Speaker 8: were being set in front of me as his testimony,

Speaker 8: I would find him not credible, insincere, the laughter, all

Speaker 8: the things that you've described, Nancy, you know as well

Speaker 8: as I do. There's no sincerity. He is not credible.

Speaker 8: I do not believe and would not believe. This is

Speaker 8: a hypothetical. I think it's a confession ast to exactly

Speaker 8: what happened.

Speaker 1: Okay, I agree with you, You with me, everybody. UH

Speaker 1: forensics expert Joseph Scott, Morgan, Ashley Wilcott, and Emmy Award

Speaker 1: winning journalist Art Harris. Listen to AJ Simpson.

Speaker 4: Seeing her and leaning over and kissing her. Can you

Speaker 4: tell me that story?

Speaker 2: Well?

Speaker 5: No, it was tough.

Speaker 2: I just remember seeing it there, and I still had

Speaker 2: so many feelings of if you're angry with a person

Speaker 2: upon their death, if you're angry with somebody about whatever's

Speaker 2: going on in your life when they die, it's not

Speaker 2: like that annger disappears, right, And because of the nine

Speaker 2: one one call, when I'm yelling at her about what's

Speaker 2: going on, it was like I want It's almost like

Speaker 2: I wanted to say, I told you, didn't I tell you, didn't.

Speaker 2: I say to you, you know, it's whatever the hell

Speaker 2: was going on?

Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

Speaker 2: Didn't I So you still got those kind of feelings

Speaker 2: in you and you still are trying to deal with

Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to say this to

Speaker 2: this person. I'm never going to be able to change

Speaker 2: this person's mind. I'm never going to have an effect

Speaker 2: on this person.

Speaker 4: Again, What did you say to her when you leaned

Speaker 4: over in Kista.

Speaker 5: I don't know if I said anything.

Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I've told that some person

Speaker 2: said they're hurting me.

Speaker 5: Say I'm sorry. I just recall Judy Brown pulling me over,

Speaker 5: looking me in the eye. Did you have anything to

Speaker 5: do with this? And I know I told her.

Speaker 1: No crime stories with Nancy Grace Well, the Bills got

Speaker 1: a backbone and stood up to the memory of OJ Simpson,

Speaker 1: refusing to include him in the quote family circle outside

Speaker 1: their brand new stadium Congratulations Bills because a lot of

Speaker 1: football lovers refused to believe O. J. Simpson did it,

Speaker 1: even though he writes a book If I Did It

Speaker 1: and lays out the scenario of the murders, but it's

Speaker 1: on field greatest moments that led to his membership in

Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame are overshadowed by the murders of

Speaker 1: his beautiful ex wife Nicole Brown and her friend Ron Goldman.

Speaker 1: The brutality is something I will never forget. Two Art

Speaker 1: Harris joining me. You know Art, you know all the

Speaker 1: players so well. Even after her death, he's still angry.

Speaker 1: And what it boils down to is he's angry at

Speaker 1: the thought she may be with another man.

Speaker 9: That's right, Nancy. He looks in the window when he

Speaker 9: goes over, he sees candles and he is claiming, oh, well,

Speaker 9: she's saving money on lights. But he knows she's in

Speaker 9: there with a romance, for a romantic evening with Ron Goldman.

Speaker 9: And the guy shows up and he cannot contain himself

Speaker 9: and really starts picks a fight and then blames it

Speaker 9: on Ron Goldman. Well, he got into a karate stance

Speaker 9: and he is like challenging me, and I had a knife,

Speaker 9: so basically I had to kill him. I mean, he says,

Speaker 9: he blacks out. But Nancy, everything they found at the

Speaker 9: scene here matches up to the police investigation that the

Speaker 9: defense tried to debunk. Remember, no bloody footprints, no DNA,

Speaker 9: I mean, everything is now confirmed by his hypothetical confession.

Speaker 9: He's got blood all over him, He's got bloody footprints

Speaker 9: there that matched the Bruno Magley shoes the FBI proved

Speaker 9: he was wearing. And I mean, it's unbelievable that this

Speaker 9: fills in the gaps of all the evidence that was

Speaker 9: supposedly faulty evidence, Nancy, and it's now confirmed the glove.

Speaker 9: He admits he dropped the glove at the scene. So

Speaker 9: that means Mark Furman was telling the truth, you know,

Speaker 9: the witness they put up to try to scapegoat the LAPD.

Speaker 9: Suddenly oj Simpson has just shown the defense to be

Speaker 9: a complete charade. And you know, as we suspected.

Speaker 1: You know, I look back on all that time, Ashley

Speaker 1: Wilcot that I co hosed copeting Grace with Johnny Cochrane,

Speaker 1: and God rest his soul, and so often until I

Speaker 1: kept getting the same answer, I quit asking him. I

Speaker 1: would say, Cochrane, you know he did it, you know

Speaker 1: he did it. Every time Ashley, Johnny would say the

Speaker 1: same thing. Had hold up both his hands like I

Speaker 1: don't know, and he'd say, jury acquitted him. That was

Speaker 1: always his answer. It was well practiced because people were

Speaker 1: always coming up to him saying that, So that was

Speaker 1: his answer, and it was true, the jury did acquit him.

Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, Ashley, it is a kick

Speaker 1: in the stomach, a kick in the teeth to hear

Speaker 1: Simpson say this, Because for me, having been a crime victim,

Speaker 1: to think about the Goldman and the Brown family having

Speaker 1: to hear this after all these years. I mean, it's

Speaker 1: nothing they didn't know, but it's just so incendiary. Ashley.

Speaker 8: Well, and even if it's something you don't know, once

Speaker 8: you hear the actual person saying it in his own words,

Speaker 8: that changes it. You may think, you know, like we

Speaker 8: know he did it, but then to hear him describe

Speaker 8: all this in his own words, I think if I

Speaker 8: were the victim, I feel like, Okay, he had a

Speaker 8: great defense team. But even so, how did he get acquitted?

Speaker 8: How could he not be convicted? The evidence was there?

Speaker 8: Now we hear his words proving the evidence. How in

Speaker 8: the world did this man not get convicted? That's how

Speaker 8: I would feel.

Speaker 1: Guys, thank you for calling in at nine nine four

Speaker 1: nine two seven, four six three. Let's go to the calls.

Speaker 10: Yeah, my question is about oj simpson hypothetical confession. I'm

Speaker 10: wanting to know if I know the double jeopardy rule

Speaker 10: and everything, that he could never be charged again with

Speaker 10: their murders, but I want to know if there's anything

Speaker 10: else he could be charged with if he was to,

Speaker 10: you know, actually say he did it. So that's kind

Speaker 10: of what I'm wanting to know, if you know, anybody

Speaker 10: could charge him with anything else if he confessed.

Speaker 1: Thanks for the question, Ashley. Sadly, even with an outright confession,

Speaker 1: he cannot be retried because of double jeopardy.

Speaker 8: That's right, he cannot in some countries, you can be

Speaker 8: not in the United States.

Speaker 4: This is true, hypothetical, hypothetical.

Speaker 11: I just wonder why he had to resort to such

Speaker 11: a terrible way to persuade his hate or something similar

Speaker 11: to that.

Speaker 8: I still don't believe he did it. I believe Nicole

Speaker 8: was tied up with a lot of people that do

Speaker 8: this so drugs, and I believe that they're the ones

Speaker 8: that killed her.

Speaker 1: Let's go back to oh J. Simpson essentially confessing, occasionally

Speaker 1: throwing in oh yeah, this is hypothetical, but clearly he

Speaker 1: is confessing to the night he committed a double murder. Listen,

Speaker 1: what was the.

Speaker 4: Hardest thing for you at that time? The people You

Speaker 4: write in the book that you couldn't believe that people

Speaker 4: thought you were a murderer.

Speaker 2: It was hard to believe that it seems so easy

Speaker 2: listening to TV that week, that it was that easy

Speaker 2: for people to believe that I could I could kill

Speaker 2: two people. I thought that my whole life meant something.

Speaker 2: I thought the type of guy that I had lived

Speaker 2: my life, being pretty upstanding god man, like everybody, had

Speaker 2: my faults. Like most men in my position, sometime temptations.

Speaker 5: Of the flesh is there, you know.

Speaker 2: But for the most point, I've always thought I was

Speaker 2: a straight shooting, straight shooter in any event. That was

Speaker 2: hard for me to accept that it was so easy

Speaker 2: for people to.

Speaker 1: Believe that, Okay, is he insane? I guess the answer

Speaker 1: would have to be yes at this point, because Art Harris,

Speaker 1: you know Simpson's character, you have investigated him for so long.

Speaker 1: You know he's deeply involved in drugs, cheated, beat his wife.

Speaker 1: I mean, how many nine to one one calls were

Speaker 1: where he beat Nicole Brown. I never will forget that

Speaker 1: photo of her up in the courtroom with her face

Speaker 1: all swollen up in black and blue because of him,

Speaker 1: those nine one one calls where he's beating the door

Speaker 1: down to try to get at her and beat her

Speaker 1: almost sounded inhuman.

Speaker 12: That's right.

Speaker 1: So now he's saying he's a pretty good guy.

Speaker 9: What yeah, and Nancy, I mean the LAPD's district office

Speaker 9: nearby was almost on speed dial for Nicole's number because

Speaker 9: he was so abusive and violent, and of course then

Speaker 9: blamed it on her. This was the poster child for

Speaker 9: domestic violence, and he really created an awareness that we

Speaker 9: now are sensitive to. But this it was horrific to

Speaker 9: hear what she went through. And then now we have

Speaker 9: him blaming her again. I know he did a tremendous

Speaker 9: amount of drugs. She was trying to get him to

Speaker 9: cut down on the coke, according to people I interviewed,

Speaker 9: and he has been the one to blame her for partying,

Speaker 9: and now of course blames her for having to do

Speaker 9: what he did because he caught her with another man.

Speaker 9: He had just bought her a Ferrari, he just paid

Speaker 9: for her cosmetic surgery, and he says in this interview

Speaker 9: she was looking pretty good. Well he went over that

Speaker 9: night to quote, as he said in the interview, to

Speaker 9: quote get some Well he didn't, and suddenly she's lying there, Nancy,

Speaker 9: in a pool of blood. Blood he's got all over

Speaker 9: him and of course, the trial discounts all that.

Speaker 8: You know.

Speaker 1: Another thing Ashley Wilcott that I hate about this is,

Speaker 1: even in death, he's dragging her through the mud, claiming

Speaker 1: that he heard through the grapevines she was having group

Speaker 1: sex parties at the home. That's what he says. And

Speaker 1: I know Jackie just turned around and gave me a look,

Speaker 1: but that's what he's saying. That that is what he

Speaker 1: went over there to stop.

Speaker 8: He is a classic abuser, and he's narcissistic because he thinks, oh,

Speaker 8: it's everybody else's fault, and everybody else was at fault

Speaker 8: and I didn't do anything wrong. I still don't think

Speaker 8: he thinks he did anything wrong, even in killing these

Speaker 8: two individuals.

Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan, Joe, I want you to hear this.

Speaker 1: Next sound listen to Simpson essentially confessing turned a double

Speaker 1: murder and yes he has walked free.

Speaker 5: Listen.

Speaker 2: So I had run into her, which they tried to

Speaker 2: say was stalking, because her and some friends were at

Speaker 2: the opening of a restaurant. I was there with like

Speaker 2: sixteen people. So I'm if I'm stalking you, I'm stalking

Speaker 2: you with with my crew. You know, we're all there too,

Speaker 2: you know, And I saw her and I went over

Speaker 2: and spoke to her in her group. Uh. Then I

Speaker 2: went out to my group to a party. But on

Speaker 2: the way home, I'd say, I'll see if she's home,

Speaker 2: because if she's still up, I don't know how late

Speaker 2: she stayed out. No, you maybe you know, I can

Speaker 2: get something.

Speaker 5: In any event.

Speaker 2: As I approached her front door, she has a window

Speaker 2: right along the wall there, I can hear something and

Speaker 2: I can see movement, and when I look, I can

Speaker 2: obviously see she was involved in something. I don't know

Speaker 2: who's with or what. And I hit the door and left.

Speaker 4: When you knocked on the door, No, I just.

Speaker 2: Hit the door when I wanted them to be aware

Speaker 2: that somebody's around and maybe they'd move or something. That's

Speaker 2: why I didn't even look. I just hit the door

Speaker 2: twice and left.

Speaker 1: Alan, what happened to Charlie? Because now he has dropped

Speaker 1: all pretense of a hypothetical. I guess he forgot about Charlie.

Speaker 1: And you know I'm using ear quotes.

Speaker 5: Alan.

Speaker 12: Charlie is a fictional name and allegedly hypothetical situation. There's

Speaker 12: a lot of speculation on who Charlie is Charlie could

Speaker 12: still be tried, right, I mean, if we could figure

Speaker 12: out who Charlie is.

Speaker 1: Allen, Alan, what are you saying there is no Charlie?

Speaker 1: What do you even I.

Speaker 12: Said, he's a fictional person in a hypothetical scenario, but

Speaker 12: it's probably real what Ojay is saying. It sounds so real.

Speaker 12: I believe there's a Charlie. I really belie. And who

Speaker 12: is it? I think that there could be another person

Speaker 12: who went by Nichole's house the night of the murders,

Speaker 12: saw something going on, went and told Ojay and then

Speaker 12: went with him. I think he's actually telling the.

Speaker 1: Truth, Okay, Ashley Wilcott, there is no evidence at all

Speaker 1: of a Charlie. I don't know if Alan Due is

Speaker 1: listening to the same interview I am, But at this

Speaker 1: point in the interview he's not even discussing Charlie anymore.

Speaker 1: He forgot about him because he doesn't exist, Ashley.

Speaker 8: He did forget about him. And not only that, even

Speaker 8: if you want to think, well, maybe there's a Charlie.

Speaker 8: He is not credible. He is not reliable. Listen to

Speaker 8: his testimony. The fact that Nicole is dead and he's

Speaker 8: talking about Oh, I want to go get some Nothing

Speaker 8: he has said sounds at all remotely credible, including a

Speaker 8: Charlie he's now forgotten about.

Speaker 1: Well, another thing to you, Joe Scott Morgan. You have

Speaker 1: studied the autops the over and over and over. Actually

Speaker 1: autopsy's there's no evidence that there was a second perpetrator.

Speaker 7: No, no, there's there's not, Nancy. I think a lot

Speaker 7: of people and if I could just interject this, I

Speaker 7: actually sat across the table at a luncheon many years ago,

Speaker 7: across the across the table from doctor Irwin Golden Golden,

Speaker 7: and doctor Golden is the person that actually did the

Speaker 7: autopsies on on Nicole and Ron, and I remember looking

Speaker 7: at him and thinking about the things that he had

Speaker 7: seen in the autopsy room, much like stuff that I

Speaker 7: had seen over my years and whatnot, and thinking, this

Speaker 7: man of science is sitting there and he knows, he

Speaker 7: knows what he bore witness to in that autopsy room,

Speaker 7: and just thinking that he's in an upside down universe

Speaker 7: because no one was buying for whatever reason, maybe it

Speaker 7: was because of late Johnny Cochrane, this hard evidence that

Speaker 7: that we had, and at the end of the day,

Speaker 7: that's what this all comes down to is the hard evidence.

Speaker 7: Many people out there, they it's been put forth that

Speaker 7: that he was that that both of these people were stabbed. Nancy. Uh,

Speaker 7: they were not staffed. Uh. These these injuries, when you

Speaker 7: look at these autopsy reports, these are incized injuries. And

Speaker 7: and what that means is that the leading edge of

Speaker 7: a blade was was drug across the surface of the skin.

Speaker 7: It's not like they were poked or something like this.

Speaker 7: Nichole's throat was cut so deeply that it went down

Speaker 7: to her cervical spine. Nancy. And it's not just once

Speaker 7: or twice, it's several times.

Speaker 1: Can I just put it in language that everybody will understand. Uh,

Speaker 1: she had her head chopped off, her cervical spine. Is

Speaker 1: your neck? She was decapitated. There was a of skin

Speaker 1: holding her head on. The cut went so deep through

Speaker 1: her and with such ferocity it went all the way

Speaker 1: through her neck and left her head hanging by the

Speaker 1: skin in the back of her neck. Is that right, Joe.

Speaker 7: Scott, Yeah, yeah, it is, Nancy. And these entries can

Speaker 7: only be achieved in one of two ways. Either someone

Speaker 7: was on top of her slicing her, or they were

Speaker 7: behind her her head held back, probably at the forehead,

Speaker 7: with a knife being drug across the front of her

Speaker 7: throat all the way down. This isn't a one off circumstance.

Speaker 7: He you know, he's sitting there arrogantly saying, you know,

Speaker 7: and this is what really reached out and grabbed me

Speaker 7: about the whole interview.

Speaker 5: Ha ha.

Speaker 7: You know, well, anybody that would have been there, we'd

Speaker 7: all be covered with blood. Yeah, you know, you were

Speaker 7: covered with blood. Was covered with the blood of both

Speaker 7: of these people. As a matter of fact, he was

Speaker 7: super saturated. He was saturated so much. We've never been

Speaker 7: able to find those clothes now, have we. And he

Speaker 7: divested himself with these clothing because it was so he

Speaker 7: was so saturated. He knows what happened, Nancy, He knows

Speaker 7: what happened.

Speaker 1: Take a listen to Orienthal James Simpson in his own.

Speaker 2: Words doing that nine one one tape that everybody hears

Speaker 2: me yelling, I'm staying I don't want these girls around

Speaker 2: my kids. And that's the only thing that argument on

Speaker 2: that nine one one tape was about. I went to

Speaker 2: her house and read her about riot act. I did

Speaker 2: what any father and would do. And yet you know,

Speaker 2: people listen to that tape and made me this horrible

Speaker 2: person whenever they had that nine one tape. Can you

Speaker 2: believe he's yelling at her about this? Well, when the

Speaker 2: cops came, it became a parent. She said, I was

Speaker 2: yelling at her about this and only this. That's the

Speaker 2: only reason I was there reading her to riot act

Speaker 2: is I don't want these people around my kids.

Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the obvious thing, Ashley is if he

Speaker 1: want had wanted to say in his children's life, he

Speaker 1: wouldn't have beaten Nicole black and Blue, threatened to kill

Speaker 1: her on so many occasions. They finally broke up and

Speaker 1: she was living with the children. There's a reason she

Speaker 1: had custody Ashley, and it's not because everybody thought he

Speaker 1: was a bad person. It's because he's.

Speaker 8: Violent, right, And for him to say, oh, I did

Speaker 8: what every father he said, I did what any father

Speaker 8: would do is insulting to fathers because he absolutely did

Speaker 8: not do what most fathers would do. To go over

Speaker 8: there and attack her verbally and again make sure she's

Speaker 8: the victim of domestic violence in front of those kids,

Speaker 8: is not right.

Speaker 1: Here we go, Oh, Jay Simpson, I.

Speaker 4: Want to talk about the first time you met Nicole Brown? Yes,

Speaker 4: where was it?

Speaker 2: It was right o Ordeal a place called a Daisy.

Speaker 2: It's a little breakfast place, and I ran into a

Speaker 2: friend of mine. He said, let's have breakfast. And when

Speaker 2: we walked in, this vision turned to me and said

Speaker 2: where do you want to sit? And I really think,

Speaker 2: what a gorgeous girl. But I can't deal with this.

Speaker 2: So it's three days later when I came back. I

Speaker 2: went back into the day's end, was having lunch with

Speaker 2: the owner, and she came back in and I said, man,

Speaker 2: I would really like to take this girl out. And

Speaker 2: he called her over and introduces and you know, said

Speaker 2: this is.

Speaker 4: One of the good guys, and you were together from

Speaker 4: then on.

Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well that I had to take her before

Speaker 2: we went to the pointy. I had to explained to

Speaker 2: her that I was married, but I wasn't married. You know,

Speaker 2: it sounded like a line, But after we talked, I

Speaker 2: think she believed me, and we're together ever since.

Speaker 1: You know what's weird about that, Aunt Harris? He talks

Speaker 1: like I would ask you, where where did you meet Carol?

Speaker 1: Your wife? Well, it seems like he's kind of glossing

Speaker 1: over the fact that he murdered her.

Speaker 9: Oh yeah, this is a justification. Well, you know, she

Speaker 9: was this beautiful waitress's woman who I met, and you know,

Speaker 9: I finally got the hook up with her and we

Speaker 9: lived happily ever after. I mean, this is someone who,

Speaker 9: in the middle of confessing later that that he sliced

Speaker 9: her to pieces, is talking kind of and laughing about

Speaker 9: the first time he met her, as you know, as

Speaker 9: he's this little infatuated young guy, but in fact it's

Speaker 9: she's his possession, and it explains why he was so

Speaker 9: enraged that she would dare be with another man after,

Speaker 9: of course he'd beaten her senseless for years. This is

Speaker 9: someone who feels justified in protecting all his possessions, and

Speaker 9: she was one of his possessions that he's furious left him.

Speaker 5: Oh. J.

Speaker 1: Sepson now describes the Bronco chase.

Speaker 4: I'm want to go back to the Bronco and if

Speaker 4: you can just give me some of the details of

Speaker 4: what you said to each other and some of the well, there.

Speaker 2: Wasn't a lot of conversation, but basically it was just

Speaker 2: you had a gun. Yeah, but it was in the

Speaker 2: bag in the back at that point with the pictures

Speaker 2: and stuff. The police like to say it was with

Speaker 2: a pass what always had my passport up there? They

Speaker 2: said I had ten thousand dollars. I think I had

Speaker 2: like three dollars or something.

Speaker 5: That changed. As a matter of fact, when I.

Speaker 2: Was let out of jail after my trial and they

Speaker 2: were giving me all my things back, all the stuff

Speaker 2: that was in the bronco that was mine back, I said,

Speaker 2: where's it ten thousand dollars? Where's my ten thousand dollars

Speaker 2: that you guys claim that I had.

Speaker 4: What are you thinking?

Speaker 2: You're in the car, I'm in the back of It's

Speaker 2: still in the back of the truck. And I can't

Speaker 2: believe what I'm saying because every time we go by intersections,

Speaker 2: it was like, where did these people get the time

Speaker 2: to make these signs go oj and stuff?

Speaker 5: And what was strange.

Speaker 2: Is is I have been I was being depicted as

Speaker 2: a fugitive on the radio, but from the side of

Speaker 2: the roads it was more people cheering.

Speaker 1: I feel like I could use a shrink right now,

Speaker 1: because instead of focusing on the fact that he is

Speaker 1: on a slow speed chase from police after his wife,

Speaker 1: his ex wife has been murdered and his children no

Speaker 1: longer have a mother, and he suspect number one. He's

Speaker 1: talking about people holding up posters. That's what his mind remembers.

Speaker 1: Art Harris, I remember that, But what I remember is

Speaker 1: him getting away from police, holding himself hostage with a

Speaker 1: gun the whole time. And he did not travel with

Speaker 1: his passport all the time. He took it because he

Speaker 1: was trying to figure out where he was going to go,

Speaker 1: but he never made it. He's rewriting history.

Speaker 9: Again, Nancy, that's right in fact, but he forgets to

Speaker 9: tell us he also had that disguise you know, that

Speaker 9: he might be wearing if he were to make it

Speaker 9: to the California Mexico border where he was headed. And

Speaker 9: he doesn't talk about the long phone conversation he had

Speaker 9: with the LAPD homicide detective Tom Lang, who was trying

Speaker 9: to talk him out of quote killing himself. Well, you know,

Speaker 9: we thought he felt so guilty about what he had done.

Speaker 9: That's that's what was going on. But here he is

Speaker 9: making light of that whole thing. We see. What is

Speaker 9: really going through his head is his fans. If he

Speaker 9: thinks people still love him, Hey, that's what he wants

Speaker 9: to hear. And so this is real. Disconnect Nancy with

Speaker 9: with what was.

Speaker 1: Going on at the time, crime stories with Nancy Gray.

Speaker 1: Of course, Simpson was acquitted in the murder charges there

Speaker 1: in la many people claim it was jury nullification. He

Speaker 1: was then ordered to pay thirty three point five million

Speaker 1: dollars to both the Brown and Goldman family, which he

Speaker 1: never paid. He then goes on to serve nine years

Speaker 1: behind bars over a robbery in kidnapping, where he busted

Speaker 1: into a Vegas hotel to confront dealers memorabilia that he

Speaker 1: wronged the belonged to him. He got out of that

Speaker 1: jam November twenty seventeenth, then spent the rest of his

Speaker 1: life chasing Nicole Brown look alike, say, living the high life,

Speaker 1: signing autographs in bars and restaurants, getting free tea times

Speaker 1: and meals. But now he's having supper with Satan enjoy.

Speaker 1: Why do I say that because of the facts. It's

Speaker 1: all about the facts, you know, Ashley Willcott. It's just

Speaker 1: the same scenario. It doesn't really change. The person goes

Speaker 1: on the run, they have a big water cash, they

Speaker 1: have a disguise. I'm glad you reminded me of that

Speaker 1: art because I'd forgotten that detail. Got a gun, money,

Speaker 1: passport disguise. When a cop comes up behind me, I

Speaker 1: pull over because I don't want to make it worse.

Speaker 1: I also don't want to get shot. I don't want

Speaker 1: to get beat up. You do what the cop tells

Speaker 1: you to do. He running from the cops. Bam, that's

Speaker 1: what was happening.

Speaker 2: Yep.

Speaker 8: And he almost sounded like he got off on it

Speaker 8: because he was like, oh, I saw all these people cheering.

Speaker 8: It was great. And so keep in mind, though we

Speaker 8: can't attribute rational thought to this man who has murdered

Speaker 8: two people. So he was running from the cops.

Speaker 1: Okay, I take a listen to this.

Speaker 2: I loved her to no end, you know, and always

Speaker 2: loved her, you know. I think what happened it became

Speaker 2: reverse of what she said to me when she wanted

Speaker 2: a divorce.

Speaker 5: I loved her, but I didn't like her. I was

Speaker 5: in love with her.

Speaker 2: That's what she had said to me to get a divorce,

Speaker 2: and I kind of figured that's where we were at

Speaker 2: at the time of her death. I loved her, but

Speaker 2: I wasn't in love with her, you know, And to

Speaker 2: some degree I didn't really like her, but I didn't

Speaker 2: like I thought she was losing herself. Did she feel

Speaker 2: in many ways, you know, it's almost like you were

Speaker 2: Ron and Nicole. We were physically dead, and it's almost

Speaker 2: like they killed me. Who I was was was attacked

Speaker 2: and murdered also in that short period of time.

Speaker 5: And once again, I to this.

Speaker 2: Day it bugs me that it seems that people wanted

Speaker 2: me to be guilty and not really really bothered me.

Speaker 2: And even sometimes it's day, it's just I'm a little

Speaker 2: calcified to it all the day, I can, you know,

Speaker 2: my friends and family and I because there's so many

Speaker 2: stories in the tabloids that are not true, we just

Speaker 2: live with it. You know.

Speaker 5: I loved her to no end, you know, and always

Speaker 5: loved her.

Speaker 8: And yes, oh J Simpson's guilty. I knew that, And

Speaker 8: when it happened back in the nineties, what a joke.

Speaker 11: There must have been other ways that he could have

Speaker 11: addressed his problem and not press I said to murder.

Speaker 4: Did you tell me?

Speaker 2: In many ways now, you know, it's almost like you

Speaker 2: were Ron and Nicole were physically dead, and it's almost

Speaker 2: like they killed me.

Speaker 5: Who I was was was attacked and murdered. Also.

Speaker 1: Did I just hear that Art Harrison, they killed him.

Speaker 1: He feels like they.

Speaker 9: Killed him, right if this is unbelievable, but it explains

Speaker 9: why for so long he's able to distance himself in

Speaker 9: his mind from what the horror that he did to

Speaker 9: these two people. He's he's a sociopath who can rationalize

Speaker 9: anything he does by compartmentalizing his the murders. And you know,

Speaker 9: as I write in my on my website Ardharis dot com,

Speaker 9: that now he can no longer run Nancy. Every time

Speaker 9: he looks in the mirror after we hear this con

Speaker 9: we hear this confession, he's going to look in the

Speaker 9: mirror and see the killer staring back at him.

Speaker 1: But you know, Jo, just Gott Morgan, you and I

Speaker 1: have handled so many murder cases. I swear I don't

Speaker 1: think he understands. I don't think he looks in the

Speaker 1: mirror and sees a double killer. I think he looks

Speaker 1: in the mirror and sees the superstar.

Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, I think that you know, playing pop

Speaker 7: psychologists here. I think he's you know, a narcissistic h

Speaker 7: you know, uh person that that views himself is above

Speaker 7: all of this. You know, all of these tawdry details,

Speaker 7: they're not tawdry details. These are two people that he's slaughtered.

Speaker 7: And you know what you were just discussing with Art,

Speaker 7: this this idea that you know that they killed him

Speaker 7: at what level of arrogance does that take? But you know,

Speaker 7: you see this repeated over and over again. And that's

Speaker 7: what brings us back home, Nancy, is that O. J.

Speaker 7: Simpson is no different than anybody else we've ever investigated.

Speaker 7: It's just that he's got a higher profile and he's

Speaker 7: gotten away with it. You know, a lot of people

Speaker 7: don't have the advantages that he had. You know, they

Speaker 7: can't get a million dollar dream teams and the best

Speaker 7: forensic scientists in the world to come in and talk

Speaker 7: on their behalf. At the end of the day, he's

Speaker 7: a thug. That's what it comes down to.

Speaker 1: Take a listen to Simpson in his confession.

Speaker 4: When she asked for the separation in nineteen ninety two,

Speaker 4: you write in the book, I felt like I'd been kicked.

Speaker 2: In The shock absolutely shocked. Her and her mother had

Speaker 2: been to New York a few weeks before that. She

Speaker 2: had talked about how happy she was, she had gotten

Speaker 2: her body completely back, She was looking great, she was

Speaker 2: finally wearing all her fancy stuff. Well, I realized no,

Speaker 2: because he had I didn't know.

Speaker 5: But of course it hurts.

Speaker 2: I didn't think it would happen, And for two or

Speaker 2: three months I pursued her to no end until I

Speaker 2: saw her with another guy.

Speaker 5: And at that point, what are you going to do?

Speaker 5: A girl's with another guy?

Speaker 1: I mean, idiot, you know he's still talking about her

Speaker 1: being with other people. I mean Art Harris, Ashley Willcott,

Speaker 1: jose Kott, Morgan. Let me throw this to Ashley. How

Speaker 1: many beatings does it take until Nicole finally decided to divorce.

Speaker 1: She didn't divorce him to date other people. She divorced

Speaker 1: him because he wouldn't stop beating her.

Speaker 8: And what's so sad in this case is that's a

Speaker 8: typical victim right. Once you become a victim of domestic violence,

Speaker 8: it is very hard to walk away, to know how

Speaker 8: to escape because of the cycle of domestic violence when

Speaker 8: you are a victim. So here, she did things to

Speaker 8: protect herself, which can be very hard to do. She

Speaker 8: got a divorce, she walked away, She tried to get

Speaker 8: away from his abusive, abusive fists, and yet he comes

Speaker 8: after her and kills her. So it's really a tragic story.

Speaker 8: And Nancy, please don't make me listen to his laugh anymore.

Speaker 8: Is so badistic And throughout this entire interview, does that

Speaker 8: laugh just not get right under your skin? You just

Speaker 8: want to reach out and strangle him.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that when he starts laughing and we're

Speaker 1: talking about a double murder, and I guess it's over

Speaker 1: the years been airbrushed and edited and produced. But a

Speaker 1: murder saying, much less a double murder saying of this nature.

Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to just having been to

Speaker 1: so many murder says. First of all, this is not

Speaker 1: a asphyxiation. This is a blood letting in the front yard.

Speaker 1: There was so much blood cops were sopping through it.

Speaker 1: There were bloody footprints, which of course matched up to

Speaker 1: his shoes everywhere. The victims' bodies had been lying out

Speaker 1: there for a period of time. She had essentially been decapitated.

Speaker 1: It was awful. It was a terrible, sticky, smelly, filthy

Speaker 1: murder scene with two young people dead. You know, I

Speaker 1: always believed Art Harris, and you know a lot more

Speaker 1: about this aspect than I do, that he was drugged

Speaker 1: out of his gourd that night Nancy.

Speaker 9: He had been doing probably cocaine, and had been drinking

Speaker 9: as he often did, and he felt he was in rage.

Speaker 9: This was such a rage killing. He could not have

Speaker 9: Nicole anymore, and so he probably snapped and did not

Speaker 9: want anyone else to have her either. She was his possession,

Speaker 9: as so many abusers feel about the women they beat

Speaker 9: and ultimately often kill. This is a man who does

Speaker 9: it and then justifies what he's done and goes home

Speaker 9: and takes a shower, as he says in part of

Speaker 9: this interview, and his friend somebody gets rid of those

Speaker 9: bloody clothes we never see again. So this is someone

Speaker 9: who killed his wonderful wife and got away with it

Speaker 9: because he had and could afford the best lawyer's money

Speaker 9: can buy. I mean, the thing that got me Nancy

Speaker 9: is the blood. There was so much of it. So

Speaker 9: how did DNA not work well? As I write and

Speaker 9: my and my my blog ardhiris dot com, that's because

Speaker 9: they bored the jury to death with the probability of DNA,

Speaker 9: and they picked a jury that didn't have any math,

Speaker 9: high school math or science. They knocked out anyone who

Speaker 9: you know, who had any knowledge and could apply it.

Speaker 9: To this bloody crime scene and that's how he got off.

Speaker 1: Listen to OJ Simpson talking about the night Nicole and

Speaker 1: Ron are murdered.

Speaker 2: In the book, the hypothetical is Ulie Charlie. This guy

Speaker 2: Charlie shows up, the guy who had we used to

Speaker 2: become friends with.

Speaker 5: And Uh, I don't know why you had been buying.

Speaker 2: The closed house, but it told me you wouldn't believe

Speaker 2: what's going on over that. And and I remember thinking, well,

Speaker 2: whatever's going over there has got to stop, right, So

Speaker 2: we kind of hooked up together, and you know, I'm

Speaker 2: kind of broad stroking this. We go over, get into

Speaker 2: Minco and go over.

Speaker 4: Let's just go back and do the details. Where did

Speaker 4: you park?

Speaker 5: The detail?

Speaker 4: You in the alley, the park in the alley, and

Speaker 4: you've put on a well cap and gloves.

Speaker 2: Uh, and ipathetic I put on cap and gloves, and

Speaker 2: you reached under the seat.

Speaker 5: For a knife.

Speaker 2: I always kept a knife in that car for the

Speaker 2: crazies and stuff, because you can't travel with a gun.

Speaker 2: And I remember Charlie is saying, you ain't bringing that,

Speaker 2: and I didn't, right, but I believe he took it.

Speaker 4: Charlie took the knife in the book.

Speaker 5: Ye.

Speaker 4: Yes, So the back gate, you go through the back gate, yes,

Speaker 4: and it was open or broken or.

Speaker 5: I don't recall.

Speaker 2: I go to the front and I'm looking to see

Speaker 2: what's going on, and I could see that it appears

Speaker 2: like Nicole had fly I had candles all the time.

Speaker 2: She really did to keep her overhead out and I

Speaker 2: think and music was on. And while I was there,

Speaker 2: a guy shows up.

Speaker 4: So Ron Goldman comes in the back edge.

Speaker 5: Yeah, a guy I really didn't recognize.

Speaker 2: I may have seen him around, but I really didn't

Speaker 2: recognize him to be anyone. And uh, and in the

Speaker 2: mood I was in, I started having words with him.

Speaker 4: She says to you, I just came by to return

Speaker 4: a pair of glasses. Judy left them at the restaurant.

Speaker 5: Yeah, words to that effect.

Speaker 2: Yes, And and uh he was if I beleeve it,

Speaker 2: I didn't believe it. It was pretty much immaterial because

Speaker 2: you know, I was more concerned about everything that that

Speaker 2: everything that was going on, you know, and was fed

Speaker 2: up with it, I guess.

Speaker 4: And uh, you get into a fight. Nicole comes out verbal,

Speaker 4: a verbal A verbal fight got a little loud, and

Speaker 4: by the time.

Speaker 2: The cole had come out and we started having words

Speaker 2: about who is this guy?

Speaker 5: Wise? He here, what's going on?

Speaker 4: And she says, this is my house, that the f

Speaker 4: on here.

Speaker 2: Yes, and which I didn't like because once again this

Speaker 2: is the same person. And if you read the book,

Speaker 2: you'll see some things that happened in the two weeks

Speaker 2: leading up to.

Speaker 5: This that were very very irritating, you know.

Speaker 2: And I think Charlie had followed this guy in one

Speaker 2: make sure there was no problem, and he brought the

Speaker 2: knife as things got heated. I just remember the cold

Speaker 2: fell and hurt herself and this guy kind of got

Speaker 2: into a karate thing and I said, well, you think

Speaker 2: you can kick my ass? And I remember I grabbed

Speaker 2: a knife. I do remember that portion taking a knife

Speaker 2: from Charlie, And to be honest, after that, I don't

Speaker 2: remember except I'm standing there and it's all out stuff

Speaker 2: around and.

Speaker 4: What kind of stuff but and stuff around.

Speaker 1: It's been reported by ESPN the Bills are considering honoring

Speaker 1: Simpson at the new stadium this spring. Don't do It.

Speaker 1: Don't do It. Their first game at Heimark Stadium set

Speaker 1: for September seventeen against the Lions, and we will be watching.

Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing

Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,