Ep. 254: Bigfoot, UFOs, and the Science They Don’t Want Funded

What happens when a real scientist steps into the paranormal world?

In this episode of Tinfoil Tales, Brandon sits down with Wild Trees, a microbiologist and researcher who studies life at the smallest levels… but also believes we’re missing something much bigger.

From microscopic worlds that look like alien landscapes to the idea that we simply don’t have the tools to detect the paranormal, this conversation pushes into territory most scientists avoid.

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Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with that.

The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my

head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And

one of the things I remember the most where the

eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

It is just circling these steps like it is waiting

for me. And he begins to tell them that he

saw a UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about.

That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,

noose and the eyes as soon as I made eye

contact with this thing. And don't like deck.

Speaker 2: Welcome back to Sanfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Tonight.

We're joined by my guest Wild Trees. Would you like

to let the audience know a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, so. I have my own YouTube channel if

you just type in biologists wild Trees, and I'm a

scientist who studies biology, which is the study of life,

living things. You know, like all the way a little

sell You're made of trillions of cells. As you know that, Brandon,

there's trillions of living things inside you right now.

Speaker 2: I don't like thinking about stuff like that, so please

do not tell me no.

Speaker 1: But it's a good thing. I argue that this means

their loneliness never exists because you, yourself, are made of

trillions of living things and they all care about you,

and their only job is to keep you alive. How

can you ever be alone if you actually have trillions

of lives daring about you with you.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I I get creeped out thinking about all the

little organisms that are living in my eye sockets or

and my eye ashes and everything else. So like feed

on the moistures and everything. I was like that, all

the little things inside my stomach eating on the foods

and breaking things apart. And I just try to think

about stuff like that.

Speaker 1: Hey, I hear you loud and clear. Everything you said

is correct. It does happen, and I understand your feelings.

Microbiology is not for everybody. I am. I'm a microbiologist.

That's the main thing I do is study things that

need a microscope. So insects, water bears, cartet grades are

another organism I study. But you know what, I love microscopes,

because to me, it's like it's like the closest to

going at a time machine. This is one microscope that's

called the scanning electron microscope. Okay, so you put your

sample in. It sounds like a spaceship, you know, it's

just like chamber. You put your sample in and it

starts revving up and you get these images. Right, and

this is like traveling somewhere else. So to give you

an idea of the magnification, Okay, a grain of pollen, right,

So a grain of pollen is microscopic. Right, It's like

they float in the air to give you allergies. Right,

It's basically that's how plants were produced. It's basically plant sperm.

To put it in a in it's just a common way. Okay. Anyway,

it's very tidy. When you put it in a microscope,

it magnifies it to the point that it looks like

an island. It looks like an island you could walk on.

That's how big it mixed things. And to me, that's

like traveling to a whole other dimension. You know, in

the paranormal world we talk about this dimension interdimensional. Well,

the microscopic realm is another dimension to me. You know,

it's a dimension of size and there's so many weird

things there. But basically, I also like the paranormal. I

think a lot of it's real. Speaking of microscopes, I

think one of the reasons why we have an advanced

in paranormal subjects is because we lack the tools to

view the paranormal. Our eyes are not made, our ears

are not made to view the paranormal. That's probably an

evolutionary thing. You know, these things that are paranormal does

speak for the aliens, time travelers, whatever is out there.

They probably evolved to stay away from our senses, and

so I think what we're lacking is a tool to

let us see the paranormal. As an example, the microscope.

Before the microscope was invented, you know, people thought the

idea of you know, microrobes or bacteria was crazy. Nobody

could imagine it was their paranormal. You know, it's because

they didn't They didn't have the tool to look at it.

And I do think some people have the tools already.

So I think military, some science organizations, they probably have

the tools to view these things. It's something fancy, just

like super cool cameras, you know, like the fleaer cameras

that Navy jets use, but they're so expensive, you know,

you and me, we're not gonna be able to afford

one of those in our backyard, you.

Speaker 2: Know what I mean, not the actual ones of the

Navy used. But I do have a thermal but I

can pick up peat signatures, but again, it's not going

to pick up every little thing, right.

Speaker 1: Exactly, different levels to the technology. But yeah, so because

I believe in the paranormal, but I also work on

actual church and I publish, and I work at universities,

and I give talks at you know, institutes and libraries

and schools and use of all that reason, I use

a name that is not my real name. So I

use the name Wild Trees. The name just came to

me one day. It just came to me, like a download.

Let's call it that. But I like it. I think

it's a cool name. And the reason why I have

to use that name is, like I just I remember

when I was an undergrad and my mentor he was

teaching me the ropes, a great scientist, and I remember

whenever the you know, the subject of paranormal came up,

he just had such disgust on his face. And a

lot of people in academia have discussed in your face

that we could talk about why that is. But he

would be disappointed at me. So if you saw my

real name and you saw, you know, this guy Bigfoot,

you know, you heard the things I thought about the paranormal,

he would just be disappointed in me. Probably some people

that would otherwise want to work with me would be

disappointed in me. And so I don't use my real name.

And there's a history of this, Like there's this thing

called the Invisible College. Jack Vala was in it, and

you know his mentor, Heinek was in it. It's just

a loose term. Invisible College means a bunch of scientists

they're working secret on the paranormal for the for the

reasons I mentioned, because it's not publicly accepted.

Speaker 2: You said we could get into that. I was actually

going to bring that up here in a little bit,

but before we kind of do. Was the paranormal something

that you were interested in prior to becoming a scientist.

Is something like that you had experienced with or is

it just something you're interested in.

Speaker 1: I got interested in a paranormal when I was very little,

and maybe you had a similar interaction, and other Americans

had a similar interaction. So in every public library I

went to, you know, school library, you know public library,

there was always a little section on the paranormal, you know,

like five books about the Bermuda Triangle, Bigfoot, you know,

and God bless librarians for doing that, because they didn't

have to do that, you know, they decided, hey, let's

put this in here. And I was fascinated by those

books because I was like, what is going on here, Like,

I'm not learning any of this school. It's not in

the fiction section, you know, it was this gray area.

And as a young kid, I was like it was

just fascinating, you know. It was like what's going on?

You know, like this is real, It's so fantastical. So

that's how I got interested in it. But I didn't

really do anything with that love. And then I had

paranormal experiences. I have had some, and then okay, so

really got me interested in paranormal the way I am now.

That happened in like twenty sixteen. I was in graduate

school getting my master's degree, and I was really sick,

and I saw Stephen Career's documentary on Netflix called Unacknowledged

and that with that, with that show, I realized, holy moly,

like there's a lot of evidence for the paranormal, especially UFOs.

You know, it's it's scientists severely underestimate the amount of

evidence there is. And so that really changed me. So

that part that movie changed me, and that's what turned

me on to the subject. And at that point, I

was in the middle of a graduate school, so I

had all this scientific training and I was in a

scientific mindset, so that also fueled it scientifically. So I've

been really at it since about twenty sixteen, I guess

to answer your question.

Speaker 2: Yeah, now, why do you think, just from obviously being

in the field and everything, why do you think a

lot of mainstream science frowns up on these sort of topics.

Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty simple destination. So this pub it started, This

is this is what is actually happening right now. Okay,

So we can talk about how it started, but this

is why things are the way they are now. Okay,

So why doesn't a scientist take the paranormal seriously? You know,

you would think like science is a tool. That's how

I described It's like a hammer, you know, a hammers

used to build a house. Science is a tool. The

way it works is you answer a question. You ask

science a question and you can answer. So I could

be like, hey, you know, how do I build bigger carrots?

You do a little bit science, you get your answer.

I say, hey, are aliens real? You could apply science

to that and you will get an answer. You have

to be skilled. It's not the question to use science.

But it's kind of like, you know, being a wizard.

Science is like being a wizard. Really, it's like magic

spells and rituals. It's just the scientific process. But no,

they are bigger questions. Okay, so science should be able

to answer these parable questions beset it. And here's why it.

Speaker 2: M hm, your audio is cut out.

Speaker 1: There's three different right now, there's three thereferent ways. That's

it's made.

Speaker 2: Okay, your audio is cutting out. I can't hear what

you're saying.

Speaker 1: Or let me see. Oh wait, hold on, okay, let

me get closer to somewhere. What about now I can

hear you now? Okay, itherwise, because I had my I

had the Wi Fi on it. I just walked away

too far. But I also have se Okay, I just

want to walk too far? What was the last thing

I said? Do you remember?

Speaker 2: You said there are three things and then it cut out?

Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So there's a few ways that scientific projects

get done and we make new discoveries.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Speaker 1: So one is through the government, so the government has

their own labs and scientists. One of them is through

a businesses, so businesses have independent labs and scientists. Another

one is private sector, so you could just have a

lab in your backyard, nobodys stopping you. And then the

last one is academic, that's universities and institutes. Okay. So

the interesting thing is that none of those, none of

those ways except for one. They have no obligation to

make their research findings public. Okay. So if a government

discovers something like paranormal they don't have to make it public.

They actually benefit from keeping it the secret. You know.

If a private company does some paranormal research and they

discover something cool, they don't have to make it public either.

You know, once again, they benefit from keeping it secret.

If a guy in his lab or a woman in

their lab, they make a discovery, nobody even knows they

did it, so they just keep it secret. So the

only institute that needs to make it public are the academics,

which are scientists. Okay, okay, but here's the thing. It

costs a lot of money to do a research project.

It's kind of like making a movie, right, So you

have to have a timeline, a schedule, a budget. You know,

some of these projects could take two years, ten years,

ten million dollars, five million dollars. Okay, So it takes money. Okay,

So okay, once again, the only people that make they

have to make their research public are the academics. So

if we're gonna find out about the paranormal, it's going

to be through the academics because they have to make

the research publish. They have to make the research public

because that's your whole career depends on them publishing research.

There's a term called publish or parish publish. What that

means is you're publishing research studies, you're publishing new discoveries.

So the academics have to do that. Okay, But once again,

it costs a lot of money to do research. Okay,

So where does the money come from? All right, So

this is the answer. The answer is money. Why don't

scientists take the paranormal seriously. It all comes out to money.

So only the academics are the ones that are going

to make it public and they're the only ones that

are gonna take it seriously. They get their money from

what's called grants. A lot of the grants come from

the National Science Foundation. Okay, So that's a tax funded

organization that you and I pay for. Okay, So you

apply for these grants and they give you money, and

then you do a project. But here's the thing. The

grant the people they offer the grants, they decide what

the topic is that you're going to study. Okay, So

they decide, Hey, I'm offering money for a study on salmon.

How can we make bigger salmon that are more disease resistant.

They're the ones that say, hey, let's do a study

on childhood obesity. What's up with all these kids being

so fat? You know? And so basically, if the government

doesn't or if nobody not just the government, but the

governm's the main person. If the government doesn't put out

any money or any paranormal research to do, then nobody's

going to do paranormal reach because there's no money in

it as well, and there's also a lot of risk

of ridic cool. So that's basically that's that's that's why

we're at the place were are now. So if there

was some way to independently get money and you had

a scientist who didn't mind taking a risk, which we

have seen this happen Gary, Gary Nolan is doing this.

Gary Nolan is a scientist who's doing this. You see,

Robert Bigelow funded a lot of projects. He put millions

of dollars to scientific projects. But you can see how

you can see how rare that is for someone out there.

You need like a rich philanthropist who's willing to do

paranormal research and funded and that's exactly what a Robert

Bigelow is. But he's like one in a million. You know.

Speaker 2: Skinwalker Ranch at one point and now that's been bought

out by somebody else.

Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, Yeah, I've done a deep dive into his

time and Skinwalker Ranch. So he bought Skinwalker Rand specifically

to do research on the paranormal and to make advancements.

He started a nonprofit organization called KNIDS, the National Institute

for Discovery Science, and so that was his lab and

he funded it with some of the I got to

hand it to him. He found some of the greatest

sciences in the field to fund it. And here's the

other thing. He did make discoveries. But remember what I

told you, Like, nobody has to make it public except

for the academics. So he's a private individual. So's I'm

sure he's released a little bit of information and I

could tell you about it. I can read about it.

But the vast majority of his research, so he funded papers.

So in somewhere in his collection, he's got these papers,

these books, basically the document amazing scientific discoveries. Now he

hasn't released it because he has no obligation to. He

paid for it, like he literally owns it. It's it's

like you buy a beautiful car, right, Like you could

decide to let other people drive it, so you could

be like, yeah, you could drive my Ferrari or my Mustang,

you know, but you don't have to. It's yours. You

pay for it. You know, you worked hard for that Mustang.

That's the way he is with his research. There's no

obligation for him to release it. But yeah, based on

his interviews that he's done, he's found some incredible things.

One of the most interesting things he found is like

he did a direct he did an experiment where he

was like directly interacting with the paranormal, like whatever the

entity was. So what he would do, basically, his researchers

would be a scam rofer ranch. They would be in

a room like a trailer house, and on the table

they would get some like you know, like a ball,

like a rubber ball, and some of those metal jacks.

You know how I used to play jacks as a kid,

And I think he said he would like leave him disorganized.

Then he would have to leave. The researcher will leave

the room just for like a little bit, and they

would I guess talk to the entity or something, and

it would come back and the jacks would be arranged

and all these you know, interesting configurations, you know. And

so he was convinced just by the ccumstance of how

it happened that it was direct those jacks were directly

being moved around by the entity, and to me, that's

pretty fascinating. He also said that his research, he kind

of gave up on it because he saw that the

paranormal thing that was in Skinwachter rants it was just

playing games with him. That's what he saw, He's like,

this is cool. He was like, I'm interacting with it.

It's even great. It's even coming home with me. We're

all having the hitch Acter effect. We're having a lot

of interactions with it. But all he wants to do

is play games, and he found it hard to make

any progress with the topic.

Speaker 2: What did he think that ended up being? Is it

just like a spirit or something from a different plane

of existence?

Speaker 1: That's off the top of my head. I don't know

if he's ever put a fine point on it. He

tells a lot of stories, but that direct question. I think, Look,

I just have to guess based on what he said

put things together. I think he believes whatever's there is

intelligence for sure. But I guess that's kind of obvious.

I guess we would really well, we really want to know,

is say, what's the source? You know, everybody in the

paranormal community just they want to just shake the paranormal

by the collar and be like, just explain yourself. What

are you? Like, where do you come from? So if

I I guess it probably thinks it's something interdimensional, which

is like, what does that even mean? You know? I

give an example of interdimensional you know, which is like

us observing something extremely microscopic. That's a different dimension. You know,

that's that's like a size dimension. So quite literally, you know,

people say interdimensional. It could be I'm not saying this

is what's happening, but it could be the something huge

it's messing with us. You know, maybe the very tip

of their finger is the size of a mountain. You know,

that would be interdimensional communication. It'd be like the way

we interact with the fly. You know. That's just one example.

But to put an answer, I don't know. I want

to find out now if he's actually said what he

thinks it is.

Speaker 2: A lot of people have their own opinions on things.

But again, I don't think there's any conclusive evidence to

lean what the paranormal is. Otherwise wouldn't be having this conversation.

And I know, and I brought this up recently to

somebody else that wasn't related to the show or anything,

but we were talking about spirits and they think a

lot of ghosts quote unquote ghost are people trapped that

didn't cross over. And I'm wondering, like, if someone died

and they have the ability to cross over, why would

they want to stick around here and they're like, well,

maybe they got things that they didn't finish or unfinished.

I was like, yeah, but if you're promised a better

after life, wouldn't you want to go to that afterlife

unless you're not going to the good place And then

there's something else and they're hanging around here, so they

don't want to go to the bad place. It just

I don't know. I get hung up on that that

our energy is like trapped here.

Speaker 1: I have I felt about the same thing. So here's

my here's my views on the after life.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 1: I don't have any strong evidence to support this. This

is just what I believe based on my experiences and

things I've read and sold. Okay, I do think there's

an after life. Okay, I think that when you die.

Here's a curious thing about dying. I think it's I

think it's probably going to be shockingly similar to what

it's like to be alive. A lot of the mundane

things you deal with. You know, it's probably still gonna

happen when you're dead. It's probably not gonna be any pain,

you know. That's good. No pain, probably still be mental

suffering possibly, But anyway, when you die, I think you're

probably greeted, right, Okay, First of all, you want to

die happy. They do not die panic, And I know

that's a tough that's a tough ask, you know, but

I'm gonna try. My attitude when I die is like, look,

as soon as I die, it's coming, you know, I'm

gonna go. I'm just like taking a vacation to somewhere

I've never been before. There's no fear, you know, there's

not gonna be any pain. I'm gonna die and I'm

just gonna visit a new place the afterlife. And it's

very natural. It's one of the most natural things that

could happen. It's not unnatural. Everything dies. So you want

to be calm. You know. It helps if you're sleeping

when you die, you know, but yeah, try to be calm.

So if you're calm and you die, I think you're

probably greeted by other people that you knew, that died,

that loved you. Okay, they're probably observing you and they're

there to kind of comfort you and help you through

this transitory period of death. And unfortunately some people probably

don't have anybody like that, so it probably is a

little bit rough for them. You know, here's a question.

Address what you said. Why would those people hang around?

You know? So the people that are gonna are gonna

greet you are gonna be people that loved you that died.

I don't think they're improgatory. I think they're there by choice.

I think they're enjoying their time. Here's what I think happens.

I think when you die, if you had loved ones

you care about on Earth, you're probably gonna want to

stick around just to keep an eye on them and

hang out with them, you know, just look at them

because you love them. Probably you'll do a lot of

traveling too, you know, maybe you'll go to another planet,

or you'll go to the top of Mount Everest, although

it's not that impressive. I went there in a video

game called Microsoft Flight Simulator twenty twenty six or twenty

five or twenty anyway. So so yeah, I think, and

then eventually what happens eventually happens. Eventually, when you die,

everybody you know will also die, so they'll all be

there with you, right Like, eventually you're gonna run out

of people that you knew that are alive. You know, Sure,

you're gonna have big rand kids, but you never really

met them, you know, so eventually, so I think a

few years go by. Let's say you die, and if

these peaceful, I think like sixty years go by, however

long it takes for everybody that you knew when you

were alive to also die. At that point you have

less holding you back on Earth, and then you may

decide to go on to whatever's next. Voluntarily, you may

decide then to go on to you know, something else,

Something else happens, you know, perhaps reincarnation. Perhaps that's just

an option. But yeah, so that's my that's what I think.

That's why I think people would stick around. I don't

think it'd be by It would be my choice, but

it wouldn't be like a bad choice. It would be

just like, hey, you know, it's like you don't want

to move too far away from somebody you love. Maybe

you know you're like, oh, well, I love that person,

I'm going to move like five hours away from. I

don't want to move, like, you know, to another country,

although people do that whole the time. And I also

think that it's your decision. I think you could probably

just move on if you want to, uh, you know,

but some people I think will choose to stay around

because you still have love one.

Speaker 2: What about the ones that they claim they have these

bad entities that are in their homes or they're causing

issues and they're terrifying people. That's where I get hung

up on it that I was like, well, that seems

like a very dark type of energy that would be

causing some sort of issues in someone's home.

Speaker 1: I think the pair has so many different explanations. It's

just one thing.

Speaker 2: You know.

Speaker 1: It's like even like would probably next picture more, you

know what it could be just like wild men, just

like really hairy guys that have been living in the

witch for generations and women I'm not trying to be

sexist over here, men and women that have been living

in the forest for generations. And that's what some people are.

I think some of them are interdimensional, some are probably actraterrestrial.

Some of them are just basically an ape that lived around.

So I think that applies to all the paranormal. Okay,

so I'm just going to give you one possible explanation

of what these negative entities could be. Just one explanation,

so you know, I remember I said that I think

one of the most shocking things will probably be how

similar the afterlife is to the living life, you know,

so just like that. I think some people are just horrible,

and I don't think that changes when you die, you

know what I mean. I think of some of the

worst monsters in history, you know, I don't and I

mean like, I mean like monstrous, Like they get joy

from inflicting suffering. Those people are alive and they die,

And I don't think a switch can flips. I don't

think a switch gets flipped necessarily and they become even

a little bit better. So they may get a kick

out of just terrorizing people that it could be a

simple for some of them.

Speaker 2: I was going to say something like, I think that's

pretty spot on to a degree, because again, there are

terrible people, so it makes sense for them to be

terrible in the afterlife too. But I don't know. I

guess if they want to just stick around to terrorize people,

and I guess that's their prerogative, it just seems kind

of strange.

Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's possibly strange because we're

not like that at all, you know, you and I

are not like that at all, and all our listeners

are all like that. But I mean, imagine this guy

who's this time, I will say it's the guy. He's

not a girl. There's a man, and he loves torturing

living things right now. I'm sure this man exists somewhere

right now, So it's not like a two par patched

idea if you tell him like, hey, man, now you're

a ghost and you can still terrorize people, but you

don't have any pain, there's no jail. You can like

terrorize anybody anywhere. I assume those are some of the

powers that ghost has, you know, just being a disincarnate,

you know, intelligence without a body. I think a lot

of those cycles would like that idea. I think that

would excite them. They'd be like, oh my god, this

is like Disneyland. And I mean that's the way, like

I said, that's the way it is right now. You know,

we have free will to a large extent, So some

people decide to use that free will to terrorize people,

to terrorize animals, you know, to create atrocities for their

own enjoyment. So that's what I think. But I have

no idea, man, I'm just you know, these are things

that are really far out right to Yeah, we'll all

find out one day that we will know the answer,

but hopefully not any time too.

Speaker 2: You mentioned bigfoot, and is that something else that you

kind of get into, like when the things that you

look into is like bigfoot, other weird cryptid stuff.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, I would say on my channel, I'll

just wild trees on YouTube. Bigfoot is a huge component

of what I do, mainly because it's an animal or

animal like and I'm a biologist. I also talk about

aliens and abduction, so there are the main ones that

I talk about, I think, But yeah, Bigfoot, I'm super

into Bigfoot. I made one video that's basically called how

to collect a Bigfoot Body, So I propose a method

to get the holy Grail of bigfooty, which is a body,

so we can finally prove it's real. So I came

up a way to do that, and it's highly speculative,

but I think it's a hell of a lot better

than what we have right now, which is basically, let's

shoot one. Let's shoot this thing that's adapted for the

forest and it can climb as fast as a rocket ship,

and let's kill one. It hasn't been done. I don't

think it hasn't done very often. So I just don't

think that's a good plan for getting a body. I

think we should get a body better. I don't think

it's gonna happen that way.

Speaker 2: What do you think that we should be able to do? Like,

how do you think we should they could catch one?

Speaker 1: To put it very simply, a little background, It's so

there's some intelligent animals like crows and ravens where if

you become friends with them by giving them gifts like food,

they will give you gifts back, and you could kind

of train them to give you certain kinds of things. Right,

this has been shown. It's very you know obvious. Bigfoot

has been shown to also accept gifts as well, just

like peanut butter jars. You know, it's a super common

thing in the Bigfoot community. People that live near it

give it gifts. You know, there's all kinds of people

say don't do it, because then you're stuck with the problem. Anyway.

I interviewed a guy named Randy who lives in Minnesota,

and he does a lot of gifting with Bigfoot. So yeah, yeah,

so the accept gifts. So basically, my idea would be

that you form a year long relationship year's long relationship

with Bigfoot, and I do an area with bigfoot here

in Texas's called the Big Thick National Preserve. Lots of

recent Bigfoot sightings, so that probably is Bigfoot there. So

I would just leave the gifts in the streams where

they're at. They're often seen in streams because when you're

when you have nature a big forest, they use animals

and wildlife like theyfoot. They use streams and creeks as

corridors or highways to travel, so they're often seen there,

you know, because there's less trees, and yeah, it's just

a great I use it all the time too. If

I'm doing apiology project in the woods and I need

to get from there to hear, I'll try to take

a stream to get there, because you know, you don't

have to deal with the trees. So I would find

one of those spots I would start, or I would

just go to someone who already has a gifting area,

start leaving gifts, building the relationship. Given bigger gifts. You know,

they like tobacco, they like all kinds of stuff, you know,

just but I'm telling you like big gifts, you know,

like I'm spending money on these guys, right, liquor maybe cigars, tobacco. Anyway, Eventually,

here's the thing. I want them to give me, the

ultimate gift, which I would want them to trade me

some kind of body, maybe like a Bigfootthand and here's

the other thing. Okay, how are they going to get

the body? Well, I want them to get a body

that has naturally died in an accident or of old age,

you know, so I would have to work up to that.

So basically to put a fine bow on it. My

idea for how to get a body from Bigfoot is

to ask Bigfoot for a body, which I don't think

anybody's ever proposed. And it's not just asking, but asking

by trading for it something big. I'm talking about two

tons of pancakes, maple syrup, the good stuff, a lot

of stuff for a body.

Speaker 2: I don't know if this has been something that's been done.

I assume it has been. But you know how a

lot of people go out and ask, Like paranormal investigators

will go to a haunted house and they ask questions

and they bring out these boxes for communication and anything.

As someone tried to do that in a Bigfoot area.

See if they have any way of manipulating some of

these spirit boxes or these little meters or something, because

I know people claim that these things can talk to

them with mind speak or stuff like that. Have they

ever tried to actually use a device that can pick

up stuff.

Speaker 1: I'm sure some, but he must have done it, but

I haven't seen any evidence of it. Something pretty interesting

happened somewhat similar, so it's on my YouTube channel. So

I did one interview with Randy, the guy from Minnesota

that's got Bigfoot living around him, right and I asked him.

I was like, hey, Randy, I mean we're having an

interview live right now. The Bigfoot are here. They've been

in your house one time. You know, something went in

his house and pete all over the bed and it

was really weird smelling pete and some other stuff happened

in his kitchen. So he thinks it was Bigfoot. It

probably was, or something similar. So anyway, I knew Bigfoot

was there. So I was like, Randy, can you ask

Bigfoot to give us a sign if they're here, if

they're listening, you know, kind of like kind of like that.

So he did it. He was like, okay, Bigfoot. You know,

he talked to him because he talks to them often.

He goes saying, so he asked them, I guess just

to give a sign, right, And then I don't know,

a few seconds went by, maybe a minute, not that long,

and his feed completely cut off, you know, we lost connection.

And then we went back and I got it back

on the line on the video feed, and then we

just we talked about it. We're like, we made a face.

We're like, was that a sign? You know? Like is

he how he tried to show us that they're here.

So I'm definitely down with that idea. You know, one

idea I have with Bigfoot is I want to make

a book called Cooking for Bigfoot or a cook book

for Bigfoot. So I want to go out to Minnesota

with Randy where he normally gives Bigfoot gifts. And so

the idea of the book is just writing about my

experiences interacting with Bigfoot. I'm not trying to get a

photo or scare of them or anything. But what I

would do is I would go out to his little

gifting area with like a little table and like a

little stove and all my ingredients, and I will start

cooking up some banana fosters, you know, some peanut butter

brittle or peanut butter cookies or a steak, like every day.

Every night, I would just make a new dish for

Bigfoot right now. I would just talk to him, you know,

if they're watching through the shadows, make the meal, explain

it to him, write down to the recipe for the cookbook,

and then I would just leave it there and just go,

you know, f off, you know, I would f off

for the night and come back and see what happened, like,

did Bigfoot like it? You know? And so I'm not

trying to pressure Bigfoot it either. I'm not like, hey man,

I'm trying to prove it rail. I no, like, literally, dude,

I just want to cook for you, and I just

want to see what you like. And if it's okay

with you, I'll just write the recipes down and I'll

just write down what happened. And so I think that'd

be a great experience, maybe a little documentary or a book.

But that's kind of like around along lines of what

you're saying. It is basically just trying to start a

direct communication with Bigfoot, whether it's with an electronic tool

or with leaving it you know, food of different types.

Speaker 2: I think a lot of people kind of I've heard

the stories. I don't know Randy personally, but I've heard

someone else that has talked to him, and they've told

me some of the things that he's explained. And when

it comes to the bigfoots in the house, I've talked

to someone that says they've had bigfoots in their house

and everything, and I'm kind of a skeptic on some things,

and I'm like, well, if these things are in your

house but you're not seeing them, I can't explain it.

It's almost got that whole supernatural element to it. Again,

So I often wonder as like, are they really what

we think are bigfoots or is it something else? Just

letting people think that they're a bigfoot but it's actually

something else.

Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, I have. I've thought about this too scientifically.

Another one of my topics. Okay, so I thought about this.

It's dealing with poultry geist. Oh, poltry gist is another

huge interest of mine. Super fascinated by poultry guist. I think,

once again, pultry guyst I think there's a bunch of

different causes to not just one cause and if you

read the encyclopedias. I actually have a psychedia about the

paranormal written by a bunch of academics. But if you

read the literature, because you know, pultry guy stories go

back so far, you know they believe at the time

that they had different causes. It wasn't just one cause

of a poultry guy. So I think one cause of

it is a a paranormal animal an entity. Okay, So

I'm gonna talk about what it does, which I think

Bigfoot might also do. Okay, to explain why people can't

see it. All right, So these are just animals. I

think some potrygeists are just animals, and I think Bigfoot

are just animals. In some cases, however, they could do

these random thing where they throw things and you can't

see them, you know in your house, or things seem

to move at a weird rate, or starts raining inside,

or you know, in Randy's case, somebody peas on the

bed but you don't really see it. So how could

that happen? Okay? So I think it could be an adaptation,

a radical adaptation, an adaptation. Biologically speaking, it's something that

your body has that allows you to survive. Better. Okay,

so we have adaptations, right, we have you know, hearing,

you know that allows us to survive better. But we're

a little bit boring. Let's talk about it egle. You know,

an eagle has an adaptation of super telescopic vision, right,

so they can see super far away. Right. Let's talk

about some more radical adaptations that we know about. Let's

talk about the fish called the electric eel. Okay, the

electric eel can use its body made of just you know,

just cells like I talked about, and it could create

such a high electrical charge that it could kill a person,

you know what I mean. And that's what it does.

It kills fish. And that's pretty radical, you know, think

about a human being able to do that. It's a

radical adaptation. So I think some pair of normal entities

have another vatical adaptation. It's called time dilation. So time

dilation is real physics phenomenon. And so let me just

explain how it's done, how I think they do it,

and what it means when they do it. Right, just

like the electric kiel, time dilation. If you have a

lot of energy, you're able to produce a large energy

out discharge. You know, you're able to basically move at

a slower time than everybody else. Okay, so what does

that mean. That means that it'll look like like if

you're experiencing time dilation. Let'say you're at Bigfoot. You have

this biological adaptation in your body and let you release

all this energy at once, and then that causes time dilation.

So now you're in time dilation mode. What happens is

that everything around you looks like it's moving super slow motion.

So if somebody was shooting a gun at you and

you turned on time dilation mode, the bullets would be

coming out of you like a slot, like a like

a slide show, you know, like super slow motion. That

you would be able to move at a regular speech

or you'll be able to dodge it, you'll be able

to throw things. So from your perspective, everything's almost at

a standstill. It's because of time deleasue, which is a

real physical phenomenon. But to everybody else, you know, you'd

be moving so fast you wouldn't even seen you another

really uh, there's two movies that really show this really well.

Is the X Men franchise with a quicksilver Yep. There's

a few movies that brilliantly show what that would look like,

and also some more recent movies called Sonic the Hedgehog.

He does it as well. I guess the Flash does

it as well in his movie. But yeah, so I

think some animals, I think that's the adaptation they have,

like like poultry guys in Bigfoot. So you know, it

sounds radical, but like I said, I think there are

radical adaptations. I think some of these paranormal entities are

really outside our understanding of normal things, and so we

have to think about these crazy things. You know. If

we only think about things like incrementally, like we only

think a little bit outside of our understanding, we're only

going to make small discoveries, you know. If we expand

our uh our imagination, you know, then we'll make bigger discoveries.

And so anyway, that's one possiblistination to why how that

might happen.

Speaker 2: I interviewed someone a couple of years ago now, and

he wrote a book basically explaining that Bigfoot is like

the forest Poultergeist, because if you have bigfoot activity out

in the woods, if you bring all that stuff into

your house, people say their house is haunted with the Poultergeist,

but since it's out in the woods, they claim it's

the big Foot, right, and it's it's true. Like the

things that people hear the NOx, they hear things being

thrown at on this and that, But you also have

that happen in your homes. And then like Randy where

he claims he's had bigfoot in his homes, to me,

it almost sounds like Poultergeist activity, but he's saying it's

bigfoot communicating with him.

Speaker 1: Well, okay, once again, we're throwing to so many things.

So once again, everything I say, I'm not saying it's

that seems true, right, yes, But another thing I thought about,

in a situation like Randy, or in a situation where

you have a lot of different types of paranormal activity

at once, that seemed very different. It could be that

it is different. And this is what I thought about.

I thought, maybe when you have one paranormal entity, it

attracts other paranormal entities around it. And here's an example. Okay,

so there's this fish which you may be familiar with,

called the remorra. Are you familiar with the remora?

Speaker 2: I've heard of the name. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1: So the Remora fish, I'm not sure if all of

them hang out with sharks, but there's definitely a big

group of them to hang out with sharks.

Speaker 2: Okay, that's the thing swims under them like eats the parasites.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and his face is like designed just to

stick to a shark. It's crazy, right, So I think

that's I think there's probably remora is in the paranormal

as well. So what I'm trying to say is that,

you know, let's say Randy, he's got his big Foot there, uh,

he that Bigfoot's got some little remorras other entities that

are kind of attached to him that come from his world,

the paranormal world, And that could be the secondary things

you're seeing. So it could very well be something different

that's in his house, maybe like you know, like a

culture or some kind of weird other animal that's connected

to Bigfoot. But isn't Bigfoot another explanation possible.

Speaker 2: I've talked to someone that claims that they've had Bigfoot

around their house and they've sent me photos before, and

a lot of the stuff that I see in the photos,

I can't necessarily see a Bigfoot, but I see something

and then there's sometimes that they claim bigfoot appears as

a mist.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: Again, that sounds very supernatural to me, like it's got

that paranormal vibe to it, because people see these shapes

or these shadows or these mists and people call them

ghost but some people now are saying these are bigfoot.

I was like, again, I wonder if the things that

we're interpreting have Bigfoot or spirits or everything. Maybe they're

all from the same plane of existence and we just

still don't understand it yet.

Speaker 1: No, I think you're right, and I think you're looking

at it the right way. Okay, so correctly if I'm wrong.

But it looks like you're trying to find a bigger

picture explanation. You're not getting caught up into details, which

I think is very I think that's what we should do.

I don't think we should get caught up on the

details of the paranormal encounters themselves. Here's why. Okay, So

we do the things we see and we hear, we

should not get too caught up on that. And I'll

tell you right now, it's because I talked college for

about three years. You know, a college freshman a class

called Foundations of Science introductory science course. But one of

our one of the sections which I helped write, and

I got it published in the textbook, so I co

authored the textbook. But one of the chapters, one of

the lesson plans we did, was all about our perception

as humans and how how incredibly fragile and manipulable it is.

It's so easy. So basically what I'm saying is our

eyes are I'm sorry to say, but they are crap.

You know, crap. They're not great eyes at all. They're

easily deceived, optical illusions. You know, our memory is so

easy to manipulate. That would do an experiment in class

where I would just be talking about this topic and

at the time I had my girlfriend come in, and

she would just come in, whisper something in my ear,

and leave like it was no big deal. And then

a few minutes later I'd be like, okay, guys, someone

just came in, right, we all saw her. Let's write

down what she look like, what color dress was she wearing.

You know they would get it wrong, dude. You know

that's just one experiment we did. So never trust your eyes.

I saund like some kind of weird guy like don't

believe your light eyes. But I'm I try to say,

is that look man, our eyes and our hearing and

our memory are so so easily betricked. Because it's good

enough to survive. You know. We can live, we can

make money, we can eat the hot dogs, get a girlfriend,

have a family, we can do all that stuff. But

you have to know that it's so weak. So we

can't concentrate on all the little details of a paranormal

encounter because our eyes are so bad, you know, we

cannot we cannot depend on them, you know. So it's

better to look at the bigger picture, like what's going

on a few steps back. That's something I learned in

college as well, which it looks like you're onto that path,

which is basically like always take a step back and

then take another step back. Right, So, if I'm studying

this one tree in as far as an example, I'm

studying this one tree in the forest, and I really

I think it's the most coolest tree ever, let me

take a step back to understand it better. Now I'm

not looking just at the tree. I'm looking at the

forest around it, right, And that's gonna looking at the

bigger picture is gonna help me understand that tree I

started off with, and then I could take another step back,

you know, Okay, now I'm looking at the states or

the county, you know, something bigger, and so forth and

so forth.

Speaker 2: So yeah, I just feel like there's a lot of

things out there that have similarities to them, and especially

when you listen to people that talk about the things

that they've encountered. So usually people that have had a

paranormal encounter, I've found out that they typically sometimes will

have a UFO like they've seen UFO, or someone that

said they've seen a big foot, they've been in the

house before that they claim never was haunted or whatever.

There's been more than one time that these people have

usually had similar experiences, and I think a lot of

people have experiences and we typically just write it off

because we don't know how to interpret it. So we

get those weird innu windows or something, and we just

kind of ignore it because again it's a coincidence or

some strange circumstance or something like that, but we don't

see it as a paranormal type event. It could just

be a normal event. We're calling it paranormal because this

stuff is always around us. We just aren't open enough

to it. And I think that a lot of people

experience this stuff, but I think a lot of the

things that their experiences are all related one way or

the other.

Speaker 1: That don't makes sense looking at my personal history, my

paranormal things I had, so I had. I think the

earliest thing I had happened was I had like an

invisible hand grab my wrists, which I some got commented

on my YouTube channel they also had an invisible hand

grab their wrist. I thought that was a really interesting

It is called not an idiosyncrecy, but when things line up.

Speaker 2: In chronicity, synchronicity.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like what I was like, I've never

heard of that. Like the fact that you saw my

channel and you saw my episode on Poltrygeist and that

you commented and you said a story about an invisible

hand grabbed your wrist and I had an invisible grand

grab my wrist. What are the odds? So I had

that invisible hand when I was ten, and then when

I was like nineteen, I had a classic gray alien abduction.

And then when I was in college, like in twenty sixteen,

I had I saw just a small UFO like an

orb of light with my research assistant at the time.

And then a little bit later after that, I received

a phone call. I was in a research station in

the woods alone and I received a phone call, which

is very bizarre. Two things called me, and I don't

know what they were. They sounded like goblins. They were

not talking to English. I don't think it was a

human language. They were aliens or goblins or something. Anyway,

if you look at all these things that happened to me,

very different, you know, in flavor, like you said, But

I like the thing you said about the paranormal being

all around us. There's this idea that like our modern life,

as God is distracted, you know, we could we miss

a lot of things because our phone, our head is

in the phone or thinking about other things. We're not

close to nature. You know, if you go back a

few hundred years, you know you lived in nature. You

know things were quieter, Your mind is quieter. So I

do think there's a lot of truth to the idea

that we our culture has grown us to modern culture

and big urban cities has conditioned us to not be

so sensitive to the paranormal, and perhaps the paranormals all

around us It never went away. It's just that we're

not observing it.

Speaker 2: Like you said, if you look at how the Native

Americans were tied into with the surrounding areas, and they're

very spiritual or whatever, like you said, hundreds of years ago,

that was the normal. But for us and the settlers

and everything else back then, they all thought that stuff

was witchcraft. And then what do we do to the witches?

We are an ome or hung home or whatever. Anything

that was not normal Christianity back in those days. We

astardized them to crucibles or whatever we went through. I

think that mindset is what's kind of got us away

from that connection to the other side. I think that

stuff has always been here, it's just we're too far

removed from it at this point to accept it. Now

it's just old folklore, mythological stuff, or we call it paranormal.

But again, I think it's just stuff that's always been

around us.

Speaker 1: I had the exact same thought. Let me elaborate on

how I approached that topic. So once again, I think

you're right, and I've thought about it a lot. So

I'm stuck on this idea of culture. Culture is very

important to me, and I don't like how we're manipulated

by culture. Don't like it at all. So I was

reading this. I was helping the student read a book

I was teaching recently, and I'm not sure what the

name of the book is, Like Fahrenheits nine to eleven.

Is that what it's called.

Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one called that, and there's also like I

think fair Nheit five something another Earth for something.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, this was the first time I read it,

so I'll put it in the comments later or wherever

you post it. Everyway, there's this Fahrenheit book I was reading,

and it got'd be thinking about in that book how

the government manipulates culture and what we believe to a

really big level. But of course the author was trying

to say it's already happening. So this is what I

was thinking about culture. It's like so fascinating to me.

I was like, look, culture is so manipulative, especially with

the paranormal. It's like you walk around you talked about

UFOs and everybody laughs and everybody giggles, and it's weird,

like why are you doing that? Like why are you laughing?

What's because culture we've been conditioned to that. What if

it went a different way. This is what this one

I'm talking about culture, So like flexible, what if like

when Roswell happened, it wasn't kept secret and everybody just knew, hey,

we found a flying saucer. And then from that point

on it was just common knowledge we have flying saucers

and it was taught in school and nobody laughed. You know,

that would drastically change the world. You know what world

would we be in right now? You know, nobody would

laugh about UFOs because we're like, oh yeah, there was

that Roswell crash and we got those alien bodies. Yeah, yeah,

it's just pretty interesting how that happened. And so yeah,

and so like you're saying back in the old days

where different cultures maybe still do it, but like Native Americans,

you know, they were one hundred percent open to the

spiritual world. You know, they didn't laugh at it. You

took it seriously. And so when you were born in

that culture or everybody around you, you also took it

seriously and you explored those ideas. And so yeah, I

do think we're heavily manipulated by by my culture, because

like if I asked my friend, who's a doctor, and

I talked to him all the times about UFOs. You know,

if I mentioned UFOs, he automatically is like, no, that's bs,

you know, and kind of aggressive about it too, you know.

And I wondered, like, why are you like this? Like

what made you like this? I know you haven't done

any deep dives into research yourself. You're a doctor, you

know you understand research. But I know for a fact

you haven't done any research on this subject, you know,

and you haven't looked at it deeply. You're like doing

something very unscientific. You're just dismissing something without any evidence.

You're just assuming. And why it's because of culture. He

is a he's a victim of the culture we live in,

in my opinion.

Speaker 2: Even within the field that you're in. Well, again, you

don't come out and tell everyone who you are. I

wonder if maybe that's part of the why he is

the way he is too, because he's a doctor and

he doesn't want people to think that he thinks that way,

because then people are going to think that he can't

do his job correctly because he thinks of these wild things.

Speaker 1: No, I mean, that's that's part of it. That's part

of it. I mean that that's that's influencing him. But also,

like I said, when I talk to him, you know,

we we talked. He's he's one of my good friends

and he's a smart guy. So we could talk a lot.

So sometimes we'll talk for like eight hours straight. We

don't do that all the time, you know, like once

and once every two weeks, but we'll talk for a

very long time and we never run out of topics.

But I know when I talk to him, he's being open.

You know, he's not uh, he's not afraid of ridicule.

Although now that you mentioned it, like, yeah, probably it

is subconscious he is. I kind of see where you're

coming from. Now, Yeah, I think I think perhaps in him.

Well I didn't even know it, that's all you mentioned it,

But now that I start thinking about it, yeah, I

think you're on something there.

Speaker 2: I just think, like if people have a to be

one hundred person, honest, I'm kind of that way because

of what I do in my normal job. Like I

never told people what I do a podcast because they

found out and it is what it is at this point.

Speaker 1: But you had a cameo in Pagodia, one of the

best movies ever made, so you could tell them to

shove it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't worry about that now. Like

someone we had a meeting and they actually mentioned that too,

that I was in that movie, and I was like, yeah, Like,

I don't go out and brag or tell people about

certain things. I'm like, I just kind of go about

my business because what I do is what I do.

Speaker 1: Hear you.

Speaker 2: But but uh, because of the stuff that I'm in

charge of and everything else, I don't need people thinking

like I'm some crazy guy out there, conspiracy nut or

whack job out here in charge of all the stuff

that I do. Yeah, but that's that's the stigma we

live in in this type of world. Because again, if

you look into stuff like this, it's not socially acceptable

for people to come out and talk about cryptids or

aliens or ghosts. It's still got that stigma to it.

Speaker 1: But the hypocrisy, the religious hypocrisy. Before I go into

this little rant, let me just say I love all

religions and I respect them. You know, whatever religion you are,

whoever listening to this, I respect your religion and uh yeah,

let me just get that out of the way. Okay,

but religions are the biggest hypocrites because so your boss

would be a Christian and he's like, hey, I believe

Jesus rose from the dead, you know, and I believe.

I'm not trying to make fun of anybody. I go

to church all the time. I'm just well, I'm just

trying to point out the fact, why is it okay

to be religious and believe things that are equally as

radical as what we believe and you have no ridicule.

I just think it's a bit hypocritical, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2: That is what I've been saying for years. And I've

been dealing with this entire week because i released a

trailer for my documentary and I've had people saying how

stuff is fake, that stuff's not real, and they're super religious.

People are like, I've been out there the whole time.

I've never seen anything. Okay, Well, you go to church

every Sunday, but you've never seen God. Right, I'm I

was just gonna say, so, what's the difference, Like, just

because you haven't seen anything happening out there, doesn't mean

that's not happening.

Speaker 1: No. Yeah, And it's it's particularly funny to me. Once again,

I respect all religions, man, I think religions are an

overall nit good. Yeah, I don't want to go into

it too much, but it's interesting to me, especially with

extraterrestrials that uh most religous.

Speaker 3: A lot of the major religions like Christianity, Islam, h Hinduism, anyway,

any any religion like the ones I mentioned where they

have in their story that Earth had a creator, Earth

was made by an entity, a God, right like Christianity. Uh,

by definition, that's extraterrestrial worshiping religion. Just I'm just I'm

just I'm just looking at the definition of what an

extraterrestrial is.

Speaker 1: It says right here, you're not from Earth, Okay, your

origin is not Earth. Okay. Then I'm looking at Genesis

and I'm reading the first couple of lines of Genesis.

Here it says that God created the Earth. Okay. So

I'm thinking, Okay, God is not from Earth, right, he

made the Earth, so how can he be from there?

So it looks like he's an extraterrestrial. So it looks

like these Christians are literally worshiping an extraterrestrial. Now I'm

just gonna put it out there. I do not. I

personally do not worship in extraterrestrials at the moment. But

Christians do. They do worship extraterrestrials.

Speaker 2: How odd They're gonna get a lot of people mad.

Speaker 1: I know I'm not try That's why I keep saying, dude,

Christianity is great. I'm just am I wrong?

Speaker 2: Like, no, I understand what you're saying that I.

Speaker 1: Know, I know you understand. I'm asking the person I'm

asking them. Am I wrong? Am I being disrespectable? I'm

sorry if I am, But I'm not trying to.

Speaker 2: I've tried to point out stuff like this before too,

because and it gets controversial and people. I'm not trying

to like dog on religion. Like I grew up in

a Christian home and everything. My family are still Christians

and my parents still go to church, but I personally

don't because I find the religious type of people no

offends to anyone listening, but most of them are hypocritical

and that rubs me the wrong way. So I choose

not to go down the pathways that they do because

a lot of the things that they say or do

and how they act is not exactly how they can

be because they're very judgmental. Some of them are, not

every one of them, but a lot of them are

very judgmental. I was like, well, if you believe in

your Bible, you're not supposed to be judging anybody.

Speaker 1: And what's interesting about your complaint there, which I have

as well, is that if you look closely, it's not

a complaint against your religion. It's actually a complaint as

to how the religion is being practice, which is interesting

as well. It's like, because I mean, if you literally,

like I look at the Christian fundamentals, they're pretty good.

You know, they're really good. You know, like be nice

to people, help the poor, help the sick, don't concentrate

on the wealth. You know. Just these are great things

to do, you know what I mean. But it's just

a practice the way they're being handled, you know. Like

there's even like practical advice. Like I used to work

for this place that was really religious, and so we

would read the Bible every morning before work, and I

just read this one passage in the Bible and it

was like saying, basically it was saying, like long story,

Shorty was saying, it's good to work with your hands

it's healthy to work with your hands. You should do it,

you need to do it. And then I started thinking

about it as a scientist, and I was like, that

probably has some scientist to fake evidence or a scientific basis,

because if you look at the human hand, it's one

of the most complex things in the world. Look what

we've been able to accomplish with our hands. You know,

we literally built the world. We're literally the masters of matter,

you know, the physical things that make the world. We're

masters of it because of our hands. So it kind

of makes sense to me psychologically that we have these

incredibly complicated tools that have the potential to create marvelous things.

It makes sense to me that if you need to

use them, you know, like physically grab a pot, plant

a plant, you know, make something like a tortilla with

your hands, build something, you know, make using them in

a complicated way, it probably does help us psychologically. I'm

just saying. The Bible probably has a lot of true

things in there, It's just that the way it's be

in practice by a lot of people is not great.

Speaker 2: I think people cherry pick a lot of it too.

They find things that they agree with, and there's other

things in there that they can continue to leave out

of their daily lives too, And they only quote certain

verses or scripture, and they use certain ones to hold

things against other people. So there's just, like I said,

there's so much hypocrisy when it comes to religion, not

just Christianity, but religions across the board. So I just say,

I have my beliefs and everyone else can have their

beliefs as long as it makes them happy. I'm one

hundred percent cool that just don't force it upon me

because I don't really want to be bothered.

Speaker 1: Right, And look, I've thought about this, this religion problem,

you know, apparently you know, my mom was asking me,

and I did a little bit of research a few

years ago. It looks like church attendance is going down

in America. You know, less people are going to church.

And that made my mom's sad because he's, you know,

a Christian more so than I am. And you know,

I just thought, I was like, look, maybe one of

the reasons why we're having these problems with Christianity because

you know, so the h the hypocrisy, people not going

to church. Why are we having these problems? I was

maybe because it hasn't evolved, like the way we practice

hasn't evolved. I'm not saying like, of course, the Bible

says the same, but I'm saying human society has changed

so drastically within the last five years, these dreams so drastically,

and I just feel like not just religion, but religion

and also schools. I work in the school system right now,

and schools are heavily outdated. So I think that a

lot of these institutions that are fundamentally a good, like

practicing a religion or going to a public school, they

need a change. They need drastic changes to keep up

with the way people are now, and if they don't,

they're probably going to go extinct.

Speaker 2: I think a lot of the stuff when it comes

to why people aren't going is because the newer generations

are just not interested, like they don't have the mindset

or the patients to sit down and listen to someone

in or because the generations of younger kids, and I

can attest this by having my own, they are very

very content. They have to see it for like very

small seconds. That's why things like TikTok and everything else

are so popular all of a sudden, because it gives

you that like few seconds of new stuff, new stuff,

like their brains are programmed to in take so much

stuff at a faster pace. And if you sit still

in a church and listen to someone talk, they're bored

and that they don't care.

Speaker 1: No, yeah, absolutely, I think.

Speaker 2: And that's even with our schooling today. I don't know

from like the stuff you guys are doing, but I

know I have element kids in elementary and I have

kids in high school. They all do stuff on tablets now.

Back when I was in school, we didn't do stuff

like that. Of course we didn't have tablets back in

those days. But everything is now digitized to where they

do their work on a tablet. They do their work

at home on a tablet. Everything is now like a

screen in front of them. So their whole existence from

kindergarten and beyond is looking at a screen and interacting

with a screen. It's like they're being programmed now to

this is what society is. We have to look at

everything going to screen.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, so yeah. I'm doing some teaching on

the side here, and it's third graders all the way

to seniors currently, and that's exactly what it's like here.

A lot of screens. You're missing the TecTile that we

used to have. You know, we used to have paper

and like workbooks, and they still have that, but like

you said, they have the screen a lot more and

it's really negatively effective. And what I do is in

school is at well least the district where I'm at,

it's probably true in other districts, is like, Okay, you're

in school for eight hours. I'm like, if I'm being generous,

two of those hours are spent learning. It's a huge

waste of time for learning. At least it's more like

a babysitting place to get a meal in them, and

that's not that's not cool. I mentioned that because I

have two little nieces and my sister wants me to

do some homeschooling, and I was like, yeah, I think

it's doable, because, like I said, if they're going to

public school, then in a week, they're probably gonna get

ten hours of actual education in one week. And I

was like, I could just come over like twice a

week and do like six hour sessions and they'd be

getting more education and they would be at a public school.

Speaker 2: I was homeschooled up until eighth grade and I've never

felt like I really learned anything after I went to

public school. I don't know if that's a good thing

or a bad thing, but I uh, I ranked really

high in all my exams and everything because we had

like an I step test when I was in school.

They call it something else now, but like I was

in like one of the top percentiles for everything, and

then we did our other stuff, like even the as

VAB tests we had to take, which was like the

arm battery test I had to take showing my age

here caause I don't even think they do that anymore.

But I wasn't like the top two percent of the

nation for like nuclear physics, and I was like, well,

I don't know anything about nuclear physics. But I kept

getting letters from the Navy wanted me to come work

on a nuclear submarine with them, and like I was like,

I don't want anything to do with it, any of

that stuff.

Speaker 1: Wait, so how long we homeschool? It was there switched

then into public school.

Speaker 2: I switched and I was homeschooled until eighth grade. I

went to public school in eighth grade. So for the

first seven years I was taught myself.

Speaker 1: Basically, Okay, and you had a good experience.

Speaker 2: And then, like I said, I went to public school

and I didn't really learn anything new. Like I may

have learned like some history stuff here that I didn't know,

but like far as like anything far as writing or algebra,

I couldn't really figure out algebra. It just when it

comes to letters and numbers, it's not me. But I'm

great at basic math and geometry. I do that every

day for work. Awesome, But no, I just I just

don't know.

Speaker 1: I want to I want to take a little tangent

because I want to tell a paranormal story. I don't

think I've ever told it before. I feel like this

would be a good place to say it. Short, and

I want to say because you mentioned the nuclear sub thing, right,

and that's what reminded me of this paranormal story. Okay,

all right, so there's a little tangent about a little

paranorable story to share that has to do with nuclear

subs because you mentioned nuclear saubs. Okay. So I was

helping my dad do some work at a hotel in Texas, Okay,

And his job is basically putting new like internet wires

in all the rooms. So we had to go all

the rooms and replace the wires. You know. I was

helping him during the pandemic. And it was in this city,

was in near a big military base, right, So we

get to this one room. It's interesting. Actually we were

like banging on the door and the guy didn't answer,

but we really had to get in there. Started banging

out on the heart and the guy finally answered. He

was asleep or something, and he was a little flustered,

but like he calmed him down and I ended up

talking to him about the paranormal So it was pretty

obvious that he worked at the base. I was like, oh,

you work at the military base. So I was like, hey,

have you ever had a paranormal experience? I do this

all the time to everybody i'd be and he goes, yeah,

I actually, well yeah, I had had apparent all these periods.

And he told me. He said, basically a long story short,

he worked on a military sub and he was in

the sub and there was a time when they were

chasing large, super fast objects underwater, which we've heard at before,

you know, mm hmm. So he was like, yeah, the

whole sub was chasing then. We didn't know what they were,

but they were huge and they were moving in crazy

speeds and so they sound like USO. So he you know,

he said it was eerie and people didn't really want

to talk about it. They did it. And then another

little interesting detail, he told me another synchronicity was just

a weird connection. He randomly then told me that his

mother told him, and it sounded like he didn't really

know what to make with this information, but his mother

told him that she regularly interacted with gray aliens and

that kind of strange.

Speaker 2: Regularly interacted with gray aliens.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so his mother would tell them like, yeah, great

aliens come to visit me, and I like talked to

them and I spent time with him, you know. And

it sounded like he heard that and he was just like,

I don't even know what to think about that, right,

I don't know. I don't know if he had a

close connection with his mom. He never followed up on it,

but he told me that it was like, it's odd

that you had this USO experience and your mother's I mean,

I believe his mom, you know, I have no evidence,

but I like to believe that his mom actually did

talk to greatly. Would it be the craziest thing I've.

Speaker 2: Ever heard there was a story, and I'm trying to

remember where this It was probably another podcast, and I

honestly don't remember if it was a real podcast or

if it was like someone telling a story that they

were happening like. But it was about a submarine and

they were chasing these marks on the radar and whatever

this thing was, they thought it was like the cliff

side of like the ocean floor, like part of the

but it was moving. It was almost like the size

of the ocean floor. They thought it was like a

rocky cliff. But whatever this thing was picking off the

radar was moving, and I don't know if there was

anything else about it, but whatever they were chasing obviously

was huge. So I don't know if they ever had

a visual of it. I don't remember them ever saying

there was a confirmation of what it was. I just

remember that there's something on their radar and they don't

know if the radar itself was malfunctioning, but whatever was

pinging on there was a huge blip on the radar

and they were trying to chase it down, but whatever

it was was moving. I was like, well, that's interesting,

that's pretty big. If that's actually something in the water.

Speaker 1: Experience.

Speaker 2: If they think it's a cliff or a mountain under

the water.

Speaker 1: Sounds very similar to my story. You didn't mention it.

It was that big. I think you don't know, but

it was big. That's interesting. It was either the same

nuclear ship, which it's unlikely, or this has happened more

than once.

Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess it's probably happened more than once.

Speaker 1: Might be pretty common. That's interesting.

Speaker 2: The USO phenomena has become pretty popular here in the

last five to ten years. I've heard a lot more

people talk about them about encounters of things under the water,

and there's a lot of people that believe a lot

of the UFOs and the sky are actually coming from

the water.

Speaker 1: I want to share this fact. I like to share

this fact just to get us thinking about the planets

and usos and UFOs. Okay, here's the truth. Okay about

planet Earth. Okay, as humans, we only live in the

tiniest percentage of the planet. Okay, we're very as a species.

Humans are super selective of where they live. We only

live on the surface of the crust. What does that

leave Well, obviously the ocean, right the ocean is like

eighty percent, ninety percent of the whole planet. No humans

live there, you know. I mean, sure, there's a couple

of bases out there, but it's it's incredibly large amount

of environment for something to live. Humans do not live there,

so something paranormal live there. What else? The sky? Okay,

the sky. I think there's this line called the Carmen Line.

I think it's about sixty miles from the ground up,

and after that line it becomes space. So that's you know,

that's the sky quote unquote, So it's sixty miles all

over the planet. People don't live there as well, you know.

And that the sky is interesting to me because it's

got everything you need for life. It's got energy, The

sun is beaming down even hotter on it. It's got water.

You know, what are these clouds made of? You know,

it's got all these It's got space. You know. To me,

the elements of life is you need water, you need energy,

you need space. Space not so much, right, because some

things are microscopic. But so I do think there's probably

a lot of organisms that live up there that are

we confused for UFOs. Okay, but I'm not done yet. Okay,

we also have I said, humans already live on the

surface of the crust. We have the whole crust underground.

You know, it goes also very deep, so humans don't

live there as well. So if I just want people

to think about this, like humans live on just a tiny,

tiny percentage of the planet we call Earth. There's so

much space and of the strifface of the crust, there's

so many forests that people don't live in, so we

don't really take up a lot of space on this planet.

So of course there could be paranormalities hiding out there

of all shapes and sizes.

Speaker 2: If you look at the main population of the United States,

it's usually in these big metropolitan cities. So there's a

huge chunk of millions of people just in the United

States that live in a small little region of a city,

and then scattered across the country there's a little clusters

here and there, but there's nothing like you get like

in these big major cities, which is where most of

the states get their populations from. So if you look

at like New York City, what is it like fifteen

million people? Or right in just one city, LA is

like twenty million or something. Like, again, it's we look

at it as there's a lot of people in a

small isolated area where you have thousands of miles of

land across the United States where there's just no one living,

very sparing.

Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely. I don't know. These kinds of conversations

kind of get left out when people talk about the paranormal,

especially with skeptics. You don't really hear these type of facts.

But to me, they're very damning facts to indicate that

it could be paranormal. Wanity.

Speaker 2: You mentioned the sky. There have been recent sightings and

I've heard other people talk about this, and I'm not

one hundred percent familiar with it, but they've talked about

things in the sky like organisms that live up there,

and they've described them as like almost like jellyfish and

manta ray like type creatures, but obviously they're not manta rays,

but they're shaped that way. I've been seeing reports on Facebook,

which again I don't know. I don't believe everything I

see on the Internet, and I tell people not to

do that either, but people have been seeing these strange

things and supposely there's these floating organisms that live up

above the clouds. I was like, I wonder if there's

some truth to that, because again, like you said, there's

everything that they need for life forms to be up there.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really fascinating topic and there's been other

people that written books about it, and it's really fascinating.

That's that's the type of paranormal research I would want

to do. I thought a little bit about it. So

here's a simple experiment I would do to begin to

test this idea of sky jellyfish, dancer raised, or just

large undiscovered organisms in our sky. But what I thought

about is I find a region. So I look at

some reports and I try to figure out a region

where they're sighted a lot, maybe just one siding. But

if I could find a hot spot somewhere in the

world that I have access to, that's where I would

do my experiment. Okay, then I would get a weather balloon.

You could buy a weather balloon, you know, and you

could hook up a little go poke Hama to it

in a GPS unit. You can send that on up.

You know a lot of people do this in the desert,

so they you know, they shoot. It's really cool. It's

like a hobby. You can't go on YouTube. They basically

send a camera to space and you get a little

video of space, and then you know, now that's pretty cool.

You have the video of space. But you can do

it scientifically as well. So I would find that region,

send up the weather balloon with a GPS tracker with

the camera. But I would have one more thing, okay,

So I would have the agar plates. You know in

science you see these little plates, little round plates, and

people put like a dirty hand or something to try

to grow bacteria on it. You've seen these before. It's

basically a neutree rea. So I would have a bunch

of them, and I would send them up as well,

and it would be sealed so nothing can make contact

with them. When I got it to different heights you

know where I think they jellyfish I live. I would

have a mechanism that exposes them to the environment, so

basically whatever's in the air would stick to it. Then

it would close it up again and I would get

my samples right, so I would know I would have

some data. I'd be like, okay, this little plate was

at so and so feet, you know, at this location,

this one in, this one higher and lower. Then I

would just all you do is to put it in

a little heater, a little special compartment to grow. And

then that's what I would do. So I would be like,

what's growing up there? You know? Is there a huge

rainforest bacteria to grow there? Because what I'm trying to

show is that you have to have like a food

web or a food chain to sustain animals. You know,

so if there are large organisms up there, you have

to have smaller organisms, smaller and smaller, like if you

have whale, you know, you have to have like krill,

you know. If you have to have krill, you have

to have the food of the krill, like plants, you know,

so just producers. You know, there's a whole chain. So

basically I would just be testing. I think, what would

happen my hypothesis. My guess is that I would be like,

holy moly, I discovered a whole bunch of new species

and bacteria and viruses and fungus up there. Oh my god,

it's beaming with life up there. Why hasn't anybody done this?

And then maybe there's some medicinal properties on some of

these organisms, you know, who knows, but check it out.

That would mean that there probably is an ecosystem up there.

That would be the first evidence, and then I would

scale it up from there.

Speaker 2: I'm surprised that someone hasn't already tried to do stuff

like that, or if they have, it's just not been reported.

Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody must have because I did a deep dive

in it, and I think some research has been done

on it, but it's not a major field of research

right now, you know, sky sky science. But it's odd

to me. Why isn't it, Like I said, like, okay,

going back to this biology thing, It's so fascinating to

me that like, life does not waste a centimeter of space.

So if you go to like, you know, like the

hot springs in Yellowstone, you know, if you slip in wine,

you'll be boiled alive, which unfortunately has happened as the

people rip. But if you go to these inhospitable areas,

there's life there. There's like little water bearers, a little

bacteria that have grown to live there. So what I'm

trying to say is, like, you know, life does not

like to like just be like nah, I'm not going

to use that real estate. You know, if you go

to a highway in the desert and get the black

asphalts and you rub a little ce tip on it,

throw it on that plate. There's probably something living there.

The air that you're breathing in right now is full

of life. Oh sorry, I know you don't like to

think about it, but my bad call myself there. So

I'm just saying that, why hasn't anybody thought about this? Like,

like I said, it's sixty miles up, it's got water,

it's got space, it's got sun. The only thing I

can think about is that it's kind of hard to

get up there. But it's not that hard, like I said,

we have these balloons. But it is an odd it's

an odd question. Why haven't we been looking up there?

Maybe because you don't see it, you don't think about it.

Out of side, out of mind. Maybe it's out of

side out of mind.

Speaker 2: I guess it's because, like you said, but it being

sixty miles up. Maybe they just they're worried about space,

but they're not considering the space that is closer to Earth.

They're talking about like the Moon and out past the Moon,

and they're worried about Mars when they don't even know

a fraction of what really goes on here on our

own planet.

Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like you're at home chilling and then you

drive to day It used to get your Grand Slam.

But while you're driving there, you're not looking around. You

don't care about the road to get there. But it

turns out it's amazing. It's full of pancakes and the

waffles for free. I just made that off. But yeah,

it's like we're just missing that whole sky to get

to space. It's interesting.

Speaker 2: Well, we've been going on for a little over an hour,

so we probably get ready to wrap this one up.

But before we do, is there anything else you would

like to discuss?

Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, interesting question? What do I think about a lot? Okay, yeah,

let's let's end on this topic. Okay, new topic. M

I proposed this idea. Let's let's discuss this thought. What

if disclosure is waking up a sleeping giant? What are

the negative consequences of disclosure for aliens, interdimensionals, whatever these

things are? Which I love By the way, if you're listening,

you're great, I love you. But I'm saying, what if

these things are acting a certain way because we don't

all know they're here? You know, what if it's like

we're maintaining the status quo. It's actually pretty good the

way it is right now. Sure, some of us get abducted,

but we're you know, we have freedom. I could go

to Denny's right now if I want to. But what

I'm saying is, what if what would happen if everybody

in the world knew these things were real? What they

changed their behavior? And could it be negative? What do

you think?

Speaker 2: Yes and no, I don't know. It depends on how

they've interacted with us this whole time. Because I've also

thought about this kind of goes back to how they've

been here the whole time. Think about the old stories

in Europe and stuff where they used to have like

the fairy tales, and I mean, like the fairy folks

used to kidnap people. That's very much similar to alien

abductions that we talk about in modern times. Well, what

if they've always been doing that stuff and they've only

taken the forms of things that people relate to as

the current time frames. So back then they related it

to like fayfolk. Nowadays it relates them to aliens. Maybe

they've always been here anyways, And if we are one

hundred percent confirming that they've been here, and are here.

Are they going to do more abducting or is it

still the same thing? Like why are they taking people

in the first place? So I don't know if it's

really going to upset the status quo. But at the

same time, people may actually start to understand a little

bit more of it, so it may change their view

of how that we see them. That makes any sort

of sense, like if we know what they actually are,

because maybe they're projecting themselves to be extraterrestrials to us.

Back then they projected themselves to be like little fairies.

So maybe they just adapt what they we think they are.

We only see them as what they want us to

see them as based off the timeframe of when we're

actually encountering them. If that makes any sort of sense,

I guess, like the way we've evolved to understand science

and understand life, they've been evolving along with us as

to the representation of what they project themselves to be.

Speaker 1: Awesome, Thank you for that. You gave me a lot

two feet off of So I got three main points

I want to make based on that. Number One, you

really got me thinking back when fairy tales were you know, common,

Like you said, in those parts of the world. Was

there fairy was their fairy disclosure at that time? Is

it the fact that there was disclosure, Like everybody just

accepted it. I know there were books written about it,

everybody talked about it. I don't think anybody was getting

made fun of it. So my first thing I'm thinking

is like, maybe there was a time when there was

fairy disclosure, which let's say fairies are the same things aliens,

So there was disclosure. I wonder I want to look

into that, like was their fairy disclosure? And the second

thing I want to bring up if there was fairy disclosure,

then was it more common? Like I want to know

statistically was more Maybe they were different, you know, because

there was fairy disclosure. You know, everybody knew there was

something out there. They thought of them as Maybe there

was a lot more abductions. I want to know how

common was it. It wasn't more common than it is now,

because that would inform what would happen in modern times.

So now you got to be thinking, like, maybe there

was a time the disclosure did happen, We just moved

away from it, but it perhaps was perhaps it's already

happened now. The other. The last thing I want to

think about is, Okay, what if this time we did disclosed.

Let's say there's been disclosure already in the fairy times.

Let's say we did do disclosure again in modern times.

But I think I'm answering you my own question as

I'm thinking about it. Okay, what I was gonna say?

What if what is this time we do it different?

Because we get we get a layer deeper. So nowadays

we're not gonna be traced by their little uh, you know,

mirage or their glamor. So we're not gonna say, hey,

aliens are real, they look like grays. No, we're gonna

understand that is what they put sent them selves to be.

They've always presented themselves to be. What if we now

believe a higher truth? We don't know what they look like,

we just know they're real. But to answer my question,

I thought about, what if that's just another form of deception?

What if that's their masks? Their mask is that they

pretend to be other things. You know, I'm getting kind

of meta right now, but anyway, those are my thoughts.

Speaker 2: What do you think that's kind of I was getting

at too, is like I think we still don't really

know what they are. They're only projecting themselves as what

we can accept them to be. So right now they're

projecting themselves as extraterrestrials from space. And there are these

little gray aliens or whatever other people have encountered. But

hundreds of years ago in Europe they were projected as

these little humanoid looking at rs, like stories of elves,

and obviously you had stories of leprechauns and like basically

like the whole little people vibes. Well, now you also

have little gray aliens. Again, they're still not very big.

Obviously there's stories of taller ones, but for the most part,

they're like little gray humanoids. Right, So again I just

think maybe they're one and the same, definitely.

Speaker 1: And also I thinking why why even disclosure? I still

think I'm thinking about now. I'm thinking like, okay, what

if you know, we do disclosure whatever. But what we're

really doing is we're like we're doing this. We're staying, hey,

we live with other things on the planet that we

don't understand, but this is a new thing. We say, okay,

that's just disclosure. We add on this, which is is

not a new way of thinking it's an older way

of thinking, and other cultures do it, but we add

this on to our moderitors. We need to focus on

co habiting with it and maybe working together with them,

not as higgions, but maybe we leave them gifts and

we just accept them. We share the planet. You know what,

if that's really one of the better steps to take

in disclosure.

Speaker 2: It's something to think about. But I don't know if

a lot of people will feel the same way, because

I think if they do know what some of this

stuff is. I thought it was strange when they started

bringing up interdimensional in the last couple of years, because

that was more of a podcasty thing you'd hear people

talk about, and then all of a sudden they started

talking about it during the disclosure movements. They mentioned interdimensional,

which was kind of a outlier for me. I think

it was Luna who mentioned it the representative that is correct,

and uh, I was like, well, that's an interesting verbiage

to be using all of a sudden out of nowhere,

And it just makes me wonder, like, what do they

actually know and what do they think that we should

be able to understand, because again, I think they use

the whole religious aspect as a reason not to bring

anything up, because when they started to bring up interdimensionals

or extraterrestrials or anything like that, it goes against a

lot of different people's religious beliefs, and they think that

we're not evolved enough to accept that there's other powers

out there, because I think a lot of the other

things that they're afraid to admit to is we're not

one hundred percent in control. We're not always the top

dog of like we've made ourselves out to be.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say Preston Dennett's you know, I interviewed him.

He's one hundred percent against any kind of government disclosure.

He's like, hell no, they've always lied to us. Don't

believe anything they say. Why would they say the truth?

And I will say I like the saying. The saying

says it's good for it's good for disclosure, but it's

good for everyday life. Basically, people tell you what they

want you to hear, not what you need to hear.

And uh, yeah, the last thing, let's see the last

thing I was gonna say, you're talking about disclosure. I

don't remember what was the last thing he said? I

just lost my train to Todds.

Speaker 2: Luna brought up the inter dimensional yeah.

Speaker 1: And I said that it's not good. I don't know anyway. Yeah,

I don't know if should trust them. U.

Speaker 2: I've always this wouldn't be ten foil tails if you

trusted the government. Yeah, that's what I've always said is

I don't believe mainstream media, and I don't believe what

the government tells me, because if I've learned anything by

doing any sort of research over the years, as ninety

nine percent of the stuff that gets put out there

is probably not going to be factually true. They're going

to have a little bit of truth too, but for

the most part, they're not going to come out and

tell you exactly anything that they don't want you to know.

Speaker 1: I like to say this. I say this for my

own peace of mind, especially with the way things go

with and normal influencers in the government. I'm not saying

I'm that big, but yeah, let me just make a statement.

I love my country. I love America, and I love

every branch of the government. Now, if you're in a

branch of the government and you hate another branch of

the government, I also hate that branch. But yeah, I

love my country.

Speaker 2: So I don't hate any country. I don't hate anybody

or anything like that. I'm just saying I just don't trust.

Speaker 1: Them, right, of course, it's good to put that out there.

Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well we can probably wrap this one up,

but before we do, I would like for you to

let everyone know where they can find your channel at

and everything else.

Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, absolutely so. Yeah. I put out a

lot of shorts and there's a lot of older videos

that discuss everything I talked about. So if I think

you could just go to Google or you go to YouTube,

or you go to Facebook, just type in biologists to

wild Trees three words and you'll see my channel. You'll

see my Facebook page. And yeah, just subscribe. That'd be great.

Subscribe comment on any video. I respond to all the comments.

So any kind of comment question you have, go ahead

and I will respond to you eventually.

Speaker 2: Just wait until you start getting people telling you you're

wrong all the time.

Speaker 1: No, that's good, dude. They that's good engagement. They're some

of the most engage each viewers. I always say, hey,

thank you for your feedback, thank you for your you

know you're boosting this in the algorithm. Thank you for that.

And I'm just kill them with kindness. But yeah, I

know what you mean.

Speaker 2: Well, it's been a pleasure talking. Whether we'll have to

do it again.

Speaker 1: Soon, I sure appreciate it, man.

Speaker 2: Yeah, equally, you have a good night you too. If

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