Ep. 256: The First Person: A Close Encounter with Sasquatch and What It Tried to Tell Me

In this episode of Tinfoil Tales, Brandon sits down with Ernie, who shares one of the most detailed and unsettling Sasquatch encounters ever discussed on the show. What began as a routine hunting trip in a remote mountain area turned into a face-to-face encounter with a massive, intelligent being unlike anything he had ever experienced.

Ernie describes how he unknowingly walked into what appeared to be a coordinated hunting scenario involving multiple creatures. As the situation unfolded, he came within just a few feet of one of them—close enough to observe its physical features, behavior, and what he believes were intentional communication attempts through gestures and body language.

Rather than acting aggressively, the being appeared curious and deliberate, using movements that Ernie later came to interpret as a form of communication. The encounter challenges common assumptions about these creatures, suggesting a level of intelligence, strategy, and awareness that goes far beyond what most people believe. The conversation also explores broader topics, including:

• The possibility of Sasquatch using coordinated hunting tactics
• Reports of vocalizations, whistling, and non-verbal communication
• Why many witnesses wait decades before coming forward
• The role of mindset and environment in close encounters
• The idea that these beings may be far more human-like than expected

Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

of there.

Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't deal with that.

Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

that turned me.

Speaker 2: Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,

it turned and looked at us. And one of the

things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red.

Speaker 3: I see an orb of light. It is just circling.

Speaker 1: These steps like it is waiting for me. And he

begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're

basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot

up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where

I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the

eyes as soon as I made eye contact with this thing.

Speaker 2: And don't like debt.

Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tien Foil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Tonight.

We're joined by my guest Ernie. Ernie, thanks for coming

on here talking with me.

Speaker 3: You're welcome.

Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little

bit about yourself before we jump into That's.

Speaker 2: The hardest question right there, A little bit about myself.

Let me see, I used to be an avid hunter,

avid fisherman all my life.

Speaker 3: I grew up.

Speaker 2: Around that all of that stuff learned by learned how

to do all this stuff from my elders, hunted with them,

learned the track ex military, I was trained in seventeen

different styles of martial arts. Are on my own, you know,

kind of just ball here to learn all this stuff

that I wanted to learn. I grew up in the

country and then I moved to a city and I

learned really quick what it was like growing up in

the city and what bullies were and I needed some

tools to be able to defend myself. So I did that,

and trying to think here now, it's hard for me

to describe myself to everybody. You know. I swayed back

from that on a few podcasts because I wanted people

to look at me as just another person. And that

was kind of a bad mood because nobody's gonna listen

to you unless you have something behind you, you know,

and if you have a PhD behind you, doctorate or

anything like that, they'll listen to you even more.

Speaker 3: Like what you're.

Speaker 2: Saying is wow, it's absolutely gospel. But you'll find that

the majority of people are just people. They're they're like,

they're like me. You know, if I speak at a conference.

I used to think that maybe I need to learn

a different vocabulary here, you know, so I appear more articulate.

And I discovered that. You know, I want the message,

the message to get out to everybody that's listening, and

not just a few people, Okay, I want I want

if there's kids listening, I want them to hear and

understand what I'm saying, not just people with higher educations.

That way, there we can we can push this community forward.

Because what I have I like to call it a testimony.

If people want to think of it as a story,

you can think of as a story. For those of

you there are researchers out there. You will be able

to get some information here that may help you out.

What happened to me happened almost fifty years ago, or

i'll say a little over forty, And it took me

a long long time to come out because I investigated

myself first, why me? And and and what is it

about me? And I discovered an awful lot, you know,

by talking to other eyewitnesses. I think, really truthfully, that's

pretty much it for me. You know, I'm just a

playing jam guy, no special.

Speaker 1: I think a lot of us that end up having

experiences are just typically just the normal person, and then

we happen to be in the right place at the

right time, or some depend how you look at the

wrong place in the wrong time.

Speaker 3: You never know exactly exactly.

Speaker 1: Well, well, if you would like to start from the beginning,

I will turn it over to you, and you can

tell me and the audience what you experienced.

Speaker 2: Sure, you know, like I said, I had to check

myself out first. I had to go back all the

way back to my childhood and and and and think

of everything that had happened to me. Because some of

the things were so subtle, nobody ever told me anything

about them. I had seen the the uh Patty film

and uh, you know, it's in my childhood. Growing up,

I we had the hopes to get the biggest deer,

the biggest fish, you know, and I had I had

to hope, like, wow, this is really cool. Maybe it

would be great if I got to see something like this.

But then I started thinking, there's probably only one of them,

and the chances of me ever seen it are zero,

So I passed it right off, you know, But thinking back,

all the signs were there, and I'll probably share some

of those signs with everybody here, just to let you

know what I brushed off, you know that I probably

shouldn't have. I might have been a little bit, a

little bit more prepared, or maybe this encounter would have

never happened to me, because maybe it would have scared

me more and I would have avoided that area. The

area that I was in is called the Cobble Mountain area.

It was on top of Drake Mountain, and I chose

that area because it was very steep. In the legend,

it's part of unklem It's path. Hunters did not like

to go in there, and to this day, the Bhilltown

Hikers Association they don't like to go up there because

even though they have markers, something keeps tearing their markers down.

Speaker 3: That's where they had.

Speaker 2: The Coble Mountain festivals in Cobble Mountain, up near the reservoir. There.

Theres a lot of sighting up there, including one that

is really close to my encounter, was with another hunter

less than i'd say, about a half a mile or

so away from where my encounter happened. But being an

old school what I used to do is I used

to go down to the bookstore because I sold topographical

maps of any area that you wanted, and whatever area

I was gonna hunt, and I would pick a topographical

map and I would make notes on where deer were

going through their runs, their scrapes, everything, everything about them,

food sources and everything. So that area I knew quite well,

and I usually hunted by myself the majority of the

times because I couldn't get anybody else to go with

me or with my brother. This particular day, I was

by myself. On one side of the mountain. There's an

apple orchard, and that was in with about a half

a mile where I had my encounter on the side

of the mountain. I chose to come in on that

morning because I had found signs of deer that were

bedding down and using that side. There was probably within

two to three miles from there, a little place called Grandville,

and they were known for their apples and their cheese

and everything, so there was a lot of food sources there.

But that morning I figured that what I would do

is I would check the wind see which way the

wind was blown, which would be more advantageous to me

to go in there and harvest a deer. It was

the first week of December, but it was the last

day of hunting season. So I proceeded to walk in there,

and with the pretenses I knew where they were, the

deer were probably going to bed down. I wanted to

sneak up, get myself my deer, and get out of there.

I didn't feel like happening to drag a deer two

miles or whatever by myself out to my car and

all of that. Well, I had gotten in there early.

It was still kind of dark. That's when I liked

to go into It takes a little bit of time to

get in there, and sure enough I was within probably

oh maybe forty yards or so from where I believe

them to be bedded down. There's a couple of boulders

that are right there, and they're really big. One of

them is known as Lookout Rock and it's about forty

feet tall, and.

Speaker 3: They heard me.

Speaker 2: It was kind of frosty out that morning. I could

see my breasts, so it had to be probably around

maybe thirty four I'll say thirty four degrees. Anyways, out

there's a little bit of frost on the ground. There

was no snow, and it was sporadic, so that trail

that led up to the top had some flat rocks

like sandstone rocks, so I was able to walk on that.

Because when they jumped up, they headed away from me,

right up towards the top of the mountain on the

ridge line up there, and I knew that I only

had two choices. One was to get behind him and

try to gain distance on him in hopes that I

could get a shot at him, or try to go

around to their left.

Speaker 3: I choose.

Speaker 2: I chose to go around to their left because I

felt that chasing them through stuff like that.

Speaker 3: It would just be futile. It wouldn't you know.

Speaker 2: I could have been at it all day long, because

I would. I would have kept scaring them. They would

have heard me. So I knew that at the top

of the mountain the path went straight up over down

to that apple orchard I told you about the beginning,

And at the very top of the mountain it dog

legged back over to the right, and it ran on

that dog leg. There was a stone wall that went

from the position of the path that I was on

to that dog leg, and there was a little bit

of an opening. There was some old pimes, a lot

of pines just old pines, big big bat pines that

would have been on my side. That's where I was

trying to get to excuse me to set up an ambush.

On the other side of the stone wall were some

it was a beech nut grove.

Speaker 3: Well.

Speaker 2: I proceeded to try to get around the deer that

were going up over the top of that ridge and

what I was doing, and I would have to explain

it to you because I was two stepping. I was

going tow heel, so if they did hear me, I

would sound more like a four legged animal, not a

two legged animal. I didn't want to alert them, so

I was being as quiet as I possibly could in

hopes that this would pan out. I heard them stop,

you know, I would stop as soon as they started moving,

I would move, but try to move as fast as

I could without getting any twigs or leaves that were

on that path, and get to some rocks to gain

distance on them. As I approached that area that I

was speaking of on that dog leg I was able

to scan to make sure there wasn't any squirrels or

turkeys or any kind of wildlife in there that was

going to alert them that I was there or anything

was there. I didn't see anything. I didn't see anything there,

so I set up. I had successfully gotten out in

front of them. They didn't know I was there. And

I crouched down just a little bit, and I could

hear them now walking again towards that stone wall. I

couldn't see if I could hear them walking again towards

that stone wall. So I brought my shotgun up and

I was ready. If one of them came over at stonewall,

which they ever gonna have to do, I get a

good shot, a good clean shot, and then that would

be it. Right there on my left hand side, about

the nine o'clock position, I picked up movement at about

thirty five yards away. We google Google Earth that position

of what I said were what I'm about to tell

you was, and I was and it came up at

thirty eight yards. Well, there was a tree there, and

I shifted my eyes over to that position and I

could see something that was laying down with the tree

between it and the stone wall. I didn't know what

it was, but I figured it was probably a deer,

and I was hoping that it would stand, that it

would be a buck, and that it would stand. And

I could get that shot. But thinking about it, you

have to understand if then deer are coming, getting ready

to come over that stone wall and they panic, then

they're going to go every which way. That deer near

that tree is going to get up, and there's gonna

be trees between me and it, and it's gonna get away.

So I'm still I'm not trying to move around. I'm

just moving my eyes around. I'm still trying to maintain

where and so those deer on the other side of

the stone wall, well, it started scrunching up towards the

tree a little bit more, moved more, so again I

had to bring my focus back over to it a

little bit more. And at that point it was big bodied.

It was not a deer. I was no longer convinced

that it was probably a deer. It was not a deer,

but it was big body. And I immediately thought the

next animal would be a bear because it was a

big body. I had no bear permit. I didn't know

what could happen at that point. It had its head

basically around the other side of the tree, so it

couldn't see me, and it was blown into my direction

so it couldn't smell me. And I also figured it

was a bear because it probably maybe it came down

the tree because there wasn't anything there to begin with,

and maybe there's some cubs with it, so it was

not going to pan out well if that indeed, if

that is what it really is, so maintain an awareness

of those deer on the other side of a stone wall.

It started getting up more more like it was actually

hugging the tree, and now it's got the shape of

a man up against that tree. Now I know it's

not a bear, but I'm thinking, I've never really seen

another hunter in here. If that's a hunter on the

other side of that tree and he doesn't know that

I'm here and then deer come over that stone wall

and they go between us, I'm probably gonna get shot

because I'm in the open here. So I decided what

I was going to do is just try to move

up just a little bit, so if that did happen,

I would appear in his peripheral particularly he had to

swing his shotgun, because Massachusetts his shotgun. So I moved

up just a little bit and I could hear the

deer still coming. They were browsing, but they were still coming,

and this so called guy stood up even more next

to that tree, and he had his head around the

opposite side of the tree, so I couldn't see his

face or anything, and I know darn well he couldn't

see me. Now he's fully standing and I can definitely

see that there is something concerning here, something very suspicious here.

He was the biggest man I've ever seen. I used

to train bouncers. I've seen some pretty big guys. I

trained in martial arts, I've fought in tournaments. I was

basically a runt in my weight class. My weight class

started at one point eighty seven I believe it was,

and went to two twenty five, so they put me

in the open division, and there wasn't a man under

two twenty five much bigger than me. And this guy

was huge, huge, So now I'm trying to find a twig,

believe something, to measure this guy. Off on a branch,

I spotted a piece of moss and I said, well,

you know, if anything at all I can, we don't

talk or anything. We get a deer and I can

figure out how big this guy really was. Well, it

was about at that point there that all hell broke

loose on their side of that stone wall, and up

until I came out with this, nobody believed that they

ate deer, goby, believed that they got in trees. Nobody

believed anything too much about them to put them on

a level with us. Whatever was on the other side

of that stone wall, it sounded like it sounded like

one or more came out of a tree or a

couple of the trees on the other side. And I

could hear not just branches breaking, I could hear limbs breaking.

I could hear boulders clacking together. It was a battle

royal going on on the other side of that stone wall.

Speaker 3: It was at that time there that.

Speaker 2: This so called man put his head around my side

of the tree, and just as I planned, he caught

me in his peripheral because he was looking directly over

that stone wall.

Speaker 3: This being.

Speaker 2: Obviously was hunting with more than just by himself. He

was set up on an ambush point, on a pinch point,

just like wolves will do. They'll chase something and another

one will pick up the chase try to run him into.

Speaker 3: Other wolves or whatever. He was.

Speaker 2: Definitely I don't know how he got there. I can

assume how he got there, which I'll get into for

you in.

Speaker 3: A little while here.

Speaker 2: But he looked over that stone wall and he caught

me in his periphial, and he looked over at me,

looked back over that stone wall, and he snapped his

head right back at me, and he had the look

of shocked surprise that I was standing there. And I'm

sure that I had the same look, because now I

know exactly what I'm looking at. Even though I'd never

seen one before. This was not what you would consider

fully as being a human. What I was looking at

I identified in my own head because I was able

to eliminate in a lot of things you'll hear, or

you should have heard by now, things like uncanny Valley,

how your mind's going to fight you. But I was

trained to remain calm. And yeah, he at that point

put his right leg out and he was holding onto

the tree with his left arm, and he swung his

left leg around the tree, so he brought side of me.

He was looking directly at me at about thirty five

yards away. And what I was looking at was the

only thing I can describe to you at this point

was like Neanderthal. And if you can see the pictures

Brandon ken above my head here. I had an artist,

took them months to come up with that, two to

three times a week. I've got six drawings of what

happened that day in what it was doing.

Speaker 3: I've got another one lower.

Speaker 2: But in any case, he looked right at me and

he took both hands elbows in or about waist level.

Both hands were and I'm demonstrating it to Brandon here.

All his fingers were together, his thumbs were in his ponds,

were facing me just about chest level, and he pumped

them twice at me. Now I got my shot and

pointed right at him. I really felt like I had

a sidearm too, but I really felt like I just

didn't have enough. If I took a shot, where am

I supposed to shoot?

Speaker 3: Number one? Number two?

Speaker 2: There's more than one of them, and I'm history if

these things go south. But he's he's got my interest.

I'm trying to figure out what is going on. I

don't know anything about these things, so I don't know

how they react or what they do or anything. It

was just completely bizarre for me completely. I started to

lower my shotgun because it felt like the way he

looked at me he would move his head towards me,

like a teacher towards a student to see are there

lights on you? Understand? It seemed to me he was

asking me, whoa hold on a second here? So I

started lowering my shotgun and he started taking steps towards me.

Now as he took steps towards me again, he made

another hand gesture to me. He took his right hand,

right arm, right hand, disclose, point your finger out. He

pointed directly to the middle of my chest. And then

he pointed directly to the middle of his chest. Like

I said, I investigated all this stuff over forty years.

Now I know what these signs mean. I've gone over

them with somebody which I'll identify at some point.

Speaker 3: Here. Took it to mean that we were.

Speaker 2: Equal in some way, that he was really meaning me

no harm, and the way he was looking at me

was not menacing. Is It bothered me for many many years.

To what I'm about to tell you is he knew

how to approach me. He started walking towards me some more,

and at that point he took the same two hands

and positioned them so that his elbows were still in

and his palms were down. Same space apart, fingers together,

thumbs in like that, palms dound, and put him right

out right out there, you know, not flat out in

front of him, just elbows in, you know, arms bent

a little bit and held his palms down and looked

at me. Then he turned his hands over, still in

the same position, but turned his hand over so palms

are facing the sky. I'm thinking in my own head

that he quite possibly could be asking me or telling

me he doesn't have any food and they're looking for food.

It's bizarre as it sounds. When you take everything that's

happening into perspective, you really can't come up with anything

else other than the fact is maybe he's really just

trying to get close so he can attack or something.

But he's pretty close. At that point. He proceeds to

walk closer to me.

Speaker 3: And he takes one hand.

Speaker 2: Again, same same arm, same hand, disclose, point your finger out,

and he points over one shoulder of me, then my

other shoulder. I'm figuring it he because he's studying me.

He's checking me out, and this whole time I am

definitely checking him out. I checked my wristwatch out. I

can tell you about what hour it was, but I

don't know how many minutes after the hour it was.

I had checked the wind direction again to make sure

it was in my favor, and he proceeded to walk closer,

and I'd just like on taking you folks on a

journey with me here. It would have been super easy

if he would have from the very get go turned

and left my position, right from the very get go,

with all of them where to turn and leave the position,

I could have gone down to the local bar and

got myself a couple of drinks to simmer myself down,

and I could be I don't know class B citing

or whatever is hey, I've seen one or two. Okay,

it would have been that easy, but he had to

make my life like difficult. After he made that gesture

to me, he proceeded to get close to me. I

can see that. I can see his skin tone. I

can see his hairs. I can see where the hair

stops and where the hair continues on. Just like if

you could see my face or anybody with a beard,

no hair up here, right up here in your cheek bones,

no hair. It was all down here. The skin was

like what I would call like a super dark brown,

not black, maybe a little ashy, very hard to describe

a color. He had the brow ridge, like I said, Neanderthal,

and he had blue eyes, husky blue eyes.

Speaker 3: At that.

Speaker 2: I was taken aback by that. At that point, he's

standing right in front of me, And that's even bothersome

for me to tell some people. You know, it was

very hard for me to tell some people how close

he actually was. I can tell you right now that

he took his one hand, his right hand again, and

he placed it down between the two of us waist level,

so that I could really see his palm, and he

pointed to it with his other hand, his pointer finger

to his palm. While this is going on, I no

longer have access to my shotgun. I completely lowered it,

but I was extremely concerned, and I was lowering my

hand to my side arm, and just as my hand

was reaching are just touching the grip on my sidearm.

Speaker 3: He noticed what I was doing.

Speaker 2: He picked up my body movement, and he adamantly tapped

his palm. He definitely wanted me to look at his palm,

so I did. I've had people ask me if I've

seen a scar on his palm that I did not notice.

Had there been a scar there. Somebody told me that

would have been the sign of a covenant. Indigenous people

will understand that. What I did notice was his hands

were like our hands, all into perspective. All how can

I say, like, my arms are only so long, you know,

in proportion to my body, same with his his hands

the same. But what I did not notice on his

palm was a lifeline. And I'm told that some people

are born without lifelines, but he did not have one.

I knew that what I was going to have to

do even when he was at the halfway mark, because

he was continuing on towards me that at some point

I think he was going to expect me to parlay

something back to him that I understand, because everything he

did he kept looking at me, and he would almost

bow his head or nod his head, like you understand,

he was reading me. As I was studying him. The

hair on his body was five inches long in some spots,

four inches long in other spots, maybe six inches long

up around the neck, the head, his chest. You could

now make out that he wasn't all hairy. You know,

at distance, people have to understand, you can't tell at

forty fifty yards. If a man's face, if they have

scrabble on their face, if they're not shaving completely with

their beard and keeping it trimmed, you can't tell how

high up that beard goes. But when you got close,

I could tell his hands were clean. Where you have

hair on your knuckles, on your hands, they have hair.

He had hair where we don't have hair. He didn't

have any hair like on your knuckles. The backs of

his hands had hair. His forearms, because I could see

his forearm, it was turned over exactly the same as ours.

His fingers were clean. He didn't stink. Okay, through my

research I found out pretty much why they could be

stinking too. But it was at that point that I

knew that I had to do something.

Speaker 3: Now, I'd like to add here that.

Speaker 2: In order to see his pond, you're gonna have to

understand I was about two and a half feet away.

I only came up a bit above his bicep, below

his shoulder, but above his bicep. I'm almost six foot three.

This being this forced person, which I like to call him,

was absolutely enormous, huge and fit, I mean very fit.

I chose to try to parlay some of the information

back that I figured I understood like the first, the

second sign would have been me pointing to history. What

that means is if I point to my chest first

and then somebody else's, that means I'm better than you.

If I point to you first means we're friends. You

can be friends, or we're buddies. We're equal, we're masters

of the woods as some indigenous people. I do buy

with that. I made that hand gesture to him. Then

I made the hand gesture for no food. I did

not want to make the hand gesture that I wanted food.

I just made the hand and just sure that I

had no food with the one finger, my pointer finger,

right arm, over one shoulder on him and over his

other shoulder. It was at that point that things changed

a little bit. He looked at me and nodded at me.

He looked over the stone wall, turned a little bit

towards that stone wall, put both hands up, and that's

the pictures you can see in the back here, like

you would use your hands like a megaphone, and he whooped.

Speaker 1: Up.

Speaker 2: Until then you got to figure, folks, nobody knew they

whooped seven years ago. If they did, they weren't coming

out and spreading the knowledge with everybody. Okay, he whooped

three times, about a second and a half in between

each whoop something that I am good at. I'm not bragging.

I am good at it. There's something you learn in fighting,

how much time you have left. But he whooped three times,

and he looked back at me, and he just bowed

his head just a little bit, looked back over that

stone wall. He whistled, and I'm here to tell you

nobody knew they did that. Some of yous don't even

know that, but they do. But deer whistled too, So

he whistled, and the whistle sounded just like another person.

It was a whistler we used in our hunting parties

when I was a kid.

Speaker 3: To stay in.

Speaker 2: Contact with people who were spread out as we were

making a drive towards one of our ambush points, or

if we had seen something some sign, or seen a deer,

we would let that little whistle go. But this whistle

was more of a like they come here kind of

a whistle. And he made a hand gesture as he

was looking over at stonewall did it whistle, And it

was like and waved his hand like come here. But

he pointed back in the direction that he came from,

and he turned and he looked at me one last time.

He bowed his head to me. He turned away from me,

and he left my area. He didn't run, he didn't

speed walk. He seemed very fluid, kind of quiet, and

he proceeded out beyond the tree that he was originally

at to about I don't know, maybe another thirty five

forty yards to put him I figured about fifty five

sixty yards away from me. He turned back towards me

and he was facing again Kitty Corner, so he keep

an eye on me, and he's looking over at stone wall,

and that's when I heard it. Something was coming through

those saplings and it was not a deer, definitely not

a deer, and it was headed towards Drake Brook, which

is on the other side of the stone wall where

that dog leg goes around this whatever it was, I

couldn't pick it up. The movement yet had to cross

over that section of the stone wall, over that path,

and over that brook, and I knew that I'd be

able to pick it up because it's kind of clear,

you know, it wasn't a really heavily wooded area at

the time up there, I was following the sound and

watching for it, and sure enough I pick up the

movement as it crossed over the stone all the path,

and then I saw it jump the brook. And this

thing was what I call a cinnamon brown, like a

brownish color. And this thing was like up pirecore runner.

This thing was fluid fast if it wanted to. I've

shot deer on the run, and this was faster. This

was faster than that. And it ran right over to

the bigger one. Now I'm just gonna give away how

big the bigger one was because I did measure it off,

and I'll get to that. But he was seven foot

eight inches and I got that from the tree. But

I'll tell you how in a minute. Here he was

smaller than that big one.

Speaker 3: There. That was his hair, I thought was It was

not black. It was dark, dark, dark brown.

Speaker 2: I could see where the hair is attached to the arm,

and the skin was felt the same dark color as

the hair this other when it was cinnamon colored. He

was over his shoulder, but shorter than him, hollered than me,

which probably would have.

Speaker 3: Put him in it.

Speaker 2: Maybe around this one for him, I don't know, Probably

around i'd say, six six six seven eight somewhere's around

that vicinity. Because I had nothing to measure that off

on except his own body. It wasn't running all the

way over to him. And now they're facing each other,

but I'm still like, they're almost cornered to me, and

they're having a little conversation. And I never heard the

sea hair sounds. I thought I was actually hearing some

kind of language that I would understand. I was trying

my hardest to hear it. I couldn't make it out.

It was it was like gibberish, almost, but it seemed serious.

Speaker 3: So at one.

Speaker 2: Point he stopped his little what I think was chewing

that smaller one out, and he pointed directly at me.

He because I was still standing in my original position,

he ratted me right out. I really wanted to follow them.

I wanted to know. I wasn't scared. I really wanted

to follow them and see where do they go, where

do they stay? Really sleeping caves, behind rocks, what in trees?

Speaker 3: What? What's going on? You know?

Speaker 2: And that smaller one took a look over at me,

looked back at him, and then did a double take,

snapped his head at me. Also like he couldn't believe

I was standing there, and at that point, because he

had a bowed at his head down just a little bit,

because it was a little branch coming out there where

they were standing, but that bigger one point point to

that smaller one. He gave him a hand gesture and

basically was showing telling him to playing me on my right.

You can see he took his finger out, pointer finger

and made a half circle over in my direction to

my right hand side, and then he pointed to his

own self and he did the same gesture where he

was going to go. I have no idea why he

did that. Was it for my benefit because he could

have just told him what to do what I'm thinking,

you know, and from there they split up. That concerned me,

but I knew that hopefully someday you folks would hear

this not as a story or my testimony, but as

research evidence that can.

Speaker 3: Be used or to further your research. You're highly intelligent.

They do have a.

Speaker 2: Language they took off in their directions. I decided I

was going to go measure off on the tree. Right

before the tree, there was a little knoll. It looked

like during the springtime, you would have it for me.

A pool there, So I figured this one here, the

big one. He was down below that little knoll and

crawled on his belly up to that tree. That's why

I never seen him and know how he got there.

He was definitely set on an ambush. That's what gave

me that idea that that's what was going on there.

So I found that piece of moss on the tree.

I walked up to it like a cool I'm a

retired butcher now, and I had to my face right

on the tree and put my hand on top of

my head. Well, that doesn't work, no, I think I

turned around. I think it turned around first, because it

doesn't work that way because then you can't turn back around.

So then then I faced the tree, held my hand there,

and then I measured up from my hand because I

knew how tall I am right up to that little

piece of moss right there. I come up with seven

foot eight inches. It's very difficult talk to hunters to

figure out range in the forest. When you're out there

bow hunting. It's very difficult to tell the height of something,

how tall something is in the forest unless you know

those ranges. Okay, you have to be able to measure

it off. You can't just say it was two hundred

yards away and it was ten feet tall. You really

seriously need to know exactly how to measure that off,

you know, even if you say you found the branch.

I didn't have far to walk to to go to

that piece of moss over there.

Speaker 3: But they left.

Speaker 2: I decided it was time for me to leave, you know,

And I was deeply concerned. My spidy sensors were england

at that time because I didn't know what was really

really going on there. I didn't know why this this

ended that way. But I did not go back the

same way that I went up that mountain. I went

down the steepest side of that mountain. I had my

pack on me, I had rope on me and stuff

to help me. I figured out something. I figured something

was going to happen. At least i'd have a defendable

position that they would have to come from above me.

It definitely couldn't couldn't come to my right or left

or below me, because I had a clear field of

view there. If I had gone back the path that

I originally came up on, it's pretty well forrested. There

a lot, a lot of brush, things like that Mountain Laurel.

You know, anything, anything could jump out right there. But

I got back and I went home, and then I

started thinking, who can I tell? And for this is

a big thing that goes through witnesses minds. You know,

is you're gonna person you're any thinking, is I need

to tell my friend? But then you're gonna say, well,

how well do I really know my friend? They're probably

gonna laugh at me. You want somebody to hear you? Okay?

I did want somebody to hear me, and I thought

of family. And when I finally did tell my father,

I sat down at his kitchen table. And this is

a guy who taught me how to hunt and learned

from the the elders up in Canada how to hunt.

And he looked at me and he said, I know.

Speaker 3: And it blew my mind.

Speaker 2: So it opened up a whole thing of of my

history on hunting and what I had seen before. Had

I ever seen sign of done before? I certainly did.

I remember it distinctly, very well. I started checking out

everything and I came across the Sierra Sounds. Now some

people will ask me, well it sound just like that, Well,

I'm not gonna sound the same in what I'm saying

to you right now, these very twenty seconds. If you

come to me and start talking to me a month

from now we're talking about the circus or something, I

may have a different tone. I may have you laughing

in it or whatever. Hey, they definitely have their own language,

but I could make it out and it did sound

like the Sierra sounds. I don't understand their language, but yes,

the chatter, the samurai chatter as everybody called it. I

checked everything out. Is there any I like ghost of

these forms or whatever you want to call it. I

would just kind of just be in the background listen

to people eyewitnesses or whatever, and I'm like, there has

to be somebody out there that has something like this

happened to them. Please, there has to be somebody. It

bothered me. I prayed almost every day. I didn't want

to be the only guy out there because who was

ready for this? You know, as it turned out, there

are very few people that been this close. There are

extremely few people that I personally know of that have

seen some form of sign language. Very few, but it's there,

so we know that they're intelligent. So without getting into

my whole philosophy on do we need a dB or not. Well,

you know, it's funny because we just have the thing

that happened on everybody's forums just recently order the past

couple of days, and it was in REFG I'm going

to refer to migration. Migration is a long distance, okay,

And people are saying, well, you know geese migrate. Well

that's cool, So no butterflies, so no humming birds. But

you know what, we're going to compare them to butterflies

and humming birds and geese. Why why have we never

Why is it so hard for us to compare them

with something that's intelligent that buries their dead other animals?

Why is that so hard? I know the reasons why,

and the research is out there. It's easy to get.

People have to remember, yet back in my generation, the

only thing we have was encyclopedia. Or you go to

a library. You now hold the world's largest library in

your hand, and you call it a phone. You can

find all of this, you can find all the evidence

has been compiled, you can find all the stuff that

they eat. It's profound, it's unbelievable what is out there.

But we let our bias is stand in the way.

Don't let your bias stand in the way of this.

Make a good look at this, because what is your plan?

What is your plan of steps out in front of

you by accident or deliberately, or you come across one

and surprise it like obviously I did by accident.

Speaker 3: Are you going to run or are you.

Speaker 2: Gonna Jane good all this situation? Are you going to

try the next step? We're already working on behavior and communication.

A lot of people out there don't know this, okay,

because it's not shared. When I share things through other forums,

it's not always shared, but you may hear little bits

and pieces of somebody will stand up and say, well

I found this, well I and read I in my research.

This is what I've come across. No, there are many

people out there. They want to accuse me of being gatekeepers.

They are gatekeepers because they found that what this person

will do is they'll go to a conference or whatever

and they'll start claiming all of this stuff. There's people

who would have them living on their property. Mary Green,

Janie Carter, okay, and everybody thought it was a joke.

She's lucky if she sold one hundred books that there

was so much information there. This is perhaps a story

of sung so others. It's a testimony. And to some

of you, I certainly hope you do hear that these

things can communicate, and they will. And some people say, well,

they're really bad. They'll tear you apart or whatever. Come

break into my house, disrespect my family, try to hurt

one of my family members, or try to take my

food from me, and watch what happens. You will aggravate me,

and you will aggravate them as any animal, a dog

or anything like that. That's behavior. Okay. Now, some people say, well,

how how can they possibly speak? Look up ancient language evolution.

There are only two animals that can do that. We're one,

and it has to do with how we're built, and

they are built the same as us from the outside. Anyways,

other than the fact is, let me tell you when

that thing whooped. Yeah, I've been to the zoo, I've

had the lines roar right next to me. I've been

to some loud concerts standing next to that speaker, and

here in that base it would make make your drink

shake on top of the speaker. That's what it was like.

It was exceptionally loud, and it travels throughout.

Speaker 3: Your whole body.

Speaker 2: You know, I know that there are some people out

there who are in a camp called the Wu or

the ORB or the UFO or let me tell you

two things. First, look up the poem of the blind

Men in the Elephant for Mendostan and you'll find it.

These six blind guys all took one piece of an elephant,

just touched one piece and came up to it until

they all got together and put it all together. That's

where you are right now. You have to take it

all and put it all together. They can do a

lot more than we can do. And there isn't a

man on this planet that's ever going to outrun him.

You were let go, is what happened.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Speaker 2: I find another connection with them that I try to

teach other people that are doing research, and that is

you have.

Speaker 3: To have.

Speaker 2: Over ninety percent of all your close encounters, which occurs

with hunters, they get very good looks of them. Okay,

have something in common. It was our mindset. We were

at peace out there. We were respecting what's out there.

And then there's trustworthy and everybody will say I'm trustworthy.

Are we really are. We really we don't trust our

own families. Okay, it's very difficult, and this is what

attracts them. Yes, they are curious, but just like a

dog can smell you and know you, so can't they.

We take too much credit away from them for what

they can really do, and we have to take a

better look at it and put this right next to us.

I had one incident that I'm going to share with you,

and I know this gentleman will probably hear this. He

was going into the Kimmy Kiechee Mountains. He was a member,

one of the founding members of the group of the

four hundred, Him and one other guy, and they had

to cut a trail into where they're going pretty deep.

They were on ATVs, but they had to cut the

trail when they got into where they had already figured

they should be on their GPS to set up camp

to further their research area that they were in. They

were getting off their ATVs and the other guy with

this gentleman had lost his walkie talking. He couldn't find

his walkie talking. The other thing was that this gentleman

also has some family pictures fall out of his pocket.

He didn't know they were in his pocket because he

just grabbed his coat and they went hustled. Let's get

it all together, let's get out there and do it.

We get time off, So he put him in a

zip pocket. A couple of days later, they were leaving

and they're coming back. They weren't even half way back

on the same trail, and in the middle of the

trail were two.

Speaker 3: Rock turns in.

Speaker 2: The first rock Curn was awakie talkie and the second

rock Curn was one of the photos they or I

should say. He made a phone call to me and

he asked me, you know, Ernie, what are we up against?

Are these things far more intelligent than what we are thinking?

Speaker 3: Yeah?

Speaker 2: Yeah, how else do you think he can stay away

from you? Their senses are a lot better. That's how

they do it. They don't want anything to do with us.

We can't be trusted Native Americans that they are the

masters of the woods. They are the caretakers, the watchers.

That is who they are, and they are our ancestors.

We have a gene splice. Our DNA was hampered with

at one time. Look that up at how long ago.

It's called a junk gene? Why what are we missing?

What are we being misled about? Look up how long

ago that happened? And then if you ever get a chance,

look up Big put Quest Magazine, god Gatewood Winter of

twenty twenty four, Blue Eyed Squatch. It just may blow

your mind where Blue Eyes actually did come from. And

all the research information is right there that you can

go back and look at it and you can come

up with your time frame and everything. It's incredible. So

could they be what we once were? It could very

well be, but we won't know that. A dead body

isn't going to tell you anything. But if you sit down,

Jane Goodall, did you can learn a lot more. But

behavior you may even get some answers. Since they are

capable of communicating.

Speaker 1: Do you think that because they are able to communicate

with us and with each other, but they don't really

trust us, because again, we don't even trust ourselves. Why

why would they want to communicate?

Speaker 2: While Brandon, let's put this out here like this, Okay,

perhaps there is more that I found. Okay, well, let's

just say this. Why would I want to communicate with

anybody unless there's something that I want you to know

that I have to offer you. What if what if

that was it that they could teach you something. Maybe

they taught the Native Americans about herbs, medicible plants, led

them to food source is what is it that they

can do that they could teach us? It is in

Native American prophecy that one day in the end of times,

if anybody's ever been to a powwow, that they will

come again, and they come from a certain direction, because

that opening to that sacred circle is always facing a

certain direction, no matter where you go, and they're going

to dance around the great fire, the sacred Fire with

us one more time. What do you think that it

is that we need right now in today's world that

they could possibly offer us. Could it be of a

spiritual value? When I tell people when people say to me, no,

what can we do now, Well, I told you years

ago and now you're here, so now there is truthfully

only one thing that you can do, and that's prey.

Speaker 3: That's pray.

Speaker 2: And I don't really care if you pray to your rock,

if your rock is a god, or your tree as

a god, or whatever it is, take it seriously. Okay,

what if it's a spiritual value.

Speaker 1: There's been someone that I've talked to prior and they'd

mentioned the whole gene splicing thing, like we basically they

were we would come from them, or they were like

an offshoot from us. But I've actually talked to a

couple different people and they've had the theories kind of

go off in different directions, but basically they are a

lot more like us than what most people want to

admit to. And this happened I think the one said

about ten thousand years ago. Basically, if you go by

that's it's a kind of almost in the same timeframe

as the Neanderthal of the offshoots were. And I've always

wondered personally if like sasquatch type creatures were just another

hominid from that era that we just weren't aware of,

because again, we knew of other hominids, but we didn't

know were we. Like, it's straight because there was also

another version of humans that wasn't exactly human, and they

claimed that modernize Homo sapien wiped off like the cro

magnum and all the other ones. But what if these

ancient beings are just some of the remnants left of

what we used to be?

Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I'm surprised. I'm actually shocked. Sounds like somebody

had been reading that magazine. I just mentioned the blue

eyes come from a certain group, and it dates back

to that, and it is a gene mutation that started

with that group. Let me put this out there. Darwin

was paid to come up with what's that called? Does

human train there?

Speaker 3: Right? Evolution? Yeah, it was paid to do that.

Speaker 2: So there was something when somebody paid your juice and

you do it the way they want you to do it.

Speaker 3: But perhaps maybe you want.

Speaker 2: To hide something in your painting or something. You want

to put something in here, so you hide it in

such a way it is and only certain people understand it.

So let me say this. Darwin says that there's a

missing link. How do you possibly know that anything is

missing unless you know what it is to begin with. Okay,

if you read the article by Ray Hardwood, it's going

to make people really think like this very well could be.

But they definitely can do something. They can do a

lot of things that we can't do. I was on

a show called Unredacted I think America unredacted. Great guy,

great show, and I mentioned supernatural and he corrected me.

He goes, oh wait, a minute. It's not supernatural, but

it is. It's super natural. Okay, they are super strong,

But is there something that they can do besides just that?

I would have to say, Yeah, let's take a little

magic act. The magic act where you take somebody and

you lay them on the ground and one person takes

one finger and puts it underneath their arm round their elbow,

and you get another one on the other arm, and

another one down near the ankles on each side, and

one on the back of the head. It's what one, two,

three or five people?

Speaker 3: Right?

Speaker 2: Can you get kids? I weigh around two hundred and

thirty pounds. You can get kids using one finger each

five of them if you know how to get them

to concentrate, and they can lift me up off the ground.

It's the magic trick that you can actually find online

and do yourself. But they call it a magic trick.

So what what if it's got something to do with

the power of our mind that we're being distracted that

we don't know how to access.

Speaker 1: That most of our brain we don't access any It

was like thirty percent of our brain capacity that we

actually use. The other seventy percent just lays dormant.

Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know.

Speaker 2: People, people people, They they think they don't have an ego,

they think they're not biased. Well, you're untrustworthy because you

are because you don't know yourself. I dug inside myself

instead of going down all these rabbit holes, I dug

deep down inside myself why me? And I started really

looking at why did this happen? What is in this?

And it's a message in there. And this is a

message that comes from forty years ago to everybody. Forty

years that's a long time. You could have had this

information forty years ago. But why are we still stuck

on tracks? Some people say tracks are not a proof

of existence. Really, let's go hunting, and let's depend on

solely what we get. If you choose to go into

a field with no deer tracks in it or rabbit

signs of rabbits in it, and I choose just the opposite,

you're going to starve to death, because that's absolute proof

that the rabbits are there and the deers are there.

And when you see these tracks, they're there. You know,

do some of them appear to disappear?

Speaker 3: Yeah, but let's not forget these things.

Speaker 2: They can, they can not only just run fast, they

can jump far. You know, there's been experiments on trying

to tag them with I think a burr, and they

actually using that system. I think it was something like

seventy miles or so through the woods. This thing was

running and was outpacing them under ATVs. They could not

keep up with it. They finally lost it. Okay, it

knew it was being followed. They always take the high

ground if they can. They always watch out, you know,

if there's a family unit nearby. What would you do

if you're smart? And they obviously are tactical because flank

and me is a tactical maneuver. What they were doing

by hunting those deer was tactical, okay, so why would

they not what we do that We'll set one guy

up or a couple of guys up around us while

we take a nap, and they can watch out for trouble.

How would you warn the other ones that were in

your party? We as human beings, even in war, we

use hand signals.

Speaker 3: Now.

Speaker 2: Where I learned the answers to that? I was at

a powwow and I was really seeking out to speak

with knowledgeable people, and I figured that the medicine woman

would know, okay, And she told me to hold on

and she went in the back where all the tents were,

and she came back out. She goes, there's a man

that wants to speak to you, Ernie. And I followed

her back out there, and in the back they had

like blankets hung up so they could make little roomed

her people get dressed up in the regalia and stuff.

And inside that room was a man by the name

of Chief Earnest, a great great grandson of Sitting Bull.

And I've got the chance to sit down and talk

to that man for a pretty good length of time.

And he told me of those hand gestures meant.

Speaker 3: Now.

Speaker 2: Some people will say, well, is it Native American? Well,

let's look at while Bill Cody's conference he had with

what six or seven nations are better. They all pretty

much had their own sign language, but there was nuances

in them so that they could work it out and

understand each other because they didn't understand each other's language.

So is this something that has to do with it too?

Did they have an area? Yeah, definitely. They are far

smarter than what we give them credit for. And they

are heavily attracted to people that show that respect and

are spiritually connected to the woods.

Speaker 1: I kinda and without going is full on blown conspiracy person.

I feel like they've known about these creatures for a

long time and they just don't want us to know

about it. And I think that's why a lot of

the old Native American ways of life and the way

because when the first settlers came over, they claimed a

lot of this type of stuff that Native Americans talked about,

like the spiritual aspects or whatever. Clearly it was all

witchcraft because look at what they did. They burned all

these ladies and stuff for being witches and everything. So

for us over here with our Christian based things from Europe,

we came over here in anything that wasn't Christianity. They

started to pillage and plunder and get rid of all

that stuff. And I think the Native Americans were very

much in touch with the natural order of the world,

and here we are hundreds of years later, and they

just don't want to rock that boat. They want to

keep whatever thing that they've had going. Because if they

come out and say that there are a hominid species

that are on par with humans, if not even further

advanced in the sense of how they are as a bean.

It contradicts a lot of the foundations that we've built

as a society.

Speaker 2: Sure, sure we carry on with that today. One religion

against the other, one willing to kill each other or

their religion. That's what we are. We are very warlike

and we would do that. Okay, scientific community, people don't understand.

For a hypothesis, you need to prove it twice. So

when you hear somebody say, yeah, we got to get

a dead body, No, you have to get two. Okay, Okay,

So and you know what, You're not going to get

any answers out of it except that, Wow, there we go.

There's one rate there. Okay, so you're spot on with that.

Are there benevolent things that are out there? I can

say this in all honesty. I went to a parochial

school for a time and we went to Sunday church

all the time. Every Sunday. I stopped because if this exists,

which it does, then what else is out there?

Speaker 3: As in the.

Speaker 2: Days of Noah the veil was lifted and the world

was destroyed basically because of it, because people started worshiping

these things, different things that were out there or benevolent

because you can be tricked. Here's another one for you.

I've worked with people who worked with the Warrens and

we would talk back and forth. And one of my

things was, because I like to use an analogy. If

you can have a haunted house with orbs in it

and everything, and you can have a haunted battlefield with

ghosts and orbs in it and everything, then why can't

the woods also be haunted?

Speaker 1: All right, I've talked to someone before. You might know

who he is. He is an author. I think it's

w or T. W Watson or W. T. Watson's what

he goes by. But he wrote a book a couple

of years ago called Bigfoot the Forest Poltergeist, And I

bring this up often when people kind of go on

that side. He said, if you look at people's ponted

house activity and you hear all the noises that they make,

or things get moved, things get thrown around, whatever, you'd

say you have a poltergeist. But if you put all

that out in the woods, you say there's bigfoot around.

Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things that are affiliated with

the forest people. There's a lot of things I believe

they can do. When I first started doing all of

this I believe strictly flesh and blood because that's what

I've seen, that's what I encountered, that's what happened, That's

what I had to go by. But through investigation and research,

deep deep research, talking to many, many eyewitnesses who don't

like to talk to other people because they wouldn't understand.

That's one of the reasons why I came forward to

give them the courage to step forward, because I didn't

want to be the only man standing in the field

lock elbows with me. They definitely do use sign language.

They can and they have with other people. They can

do something that we can't do, and the message is

out there.

Speaker 1: When it all comes about, what do you think it's

going to take to make someone actually understand that these

things are out there? Do you think it's really gonna

have to take? Like at this point, we live in

a technology version of AI, So everything out there that

gets put up as a photo or a video, everyone's

going to write it off now.

Speaker 3: And so.

Speaker 1: Say, even with a body at this point, I still

think there's gonna be naysayers that are gonna sure not

go along with it. So this one's going to have

to be captured and like the Joe public gets to

go and visit him, or something like, I don't know

what it's going to take for people to wake up.

Speaker 3: Well, they're not going to. You know.

Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll get aggravated and I'll be on somebody's form

or whatever.

Speaker 3: It just happened, and I.

Speaker 2: Gave the impression that I was a podcaster, and I said,

you know, nobody's going to do this, and I'd like

to be the first to do this. I'd like to

have you on the show as somebody because you you

don't believe that they're there. You're convinced that they're not there.

Could you please come on my show and show the

audience the proof that they're not there. They do not exist.

This is something in everybody's minds. It would be fantastic

to have you on the show. Would you be willing

to do something like that? And his reply back to

me was, well, they're liars. I said, you can't use that.

I said, that's all you have is to say they're liars.

He goes with, where's your proof? I said, on the

world's largest library, it's all right there. The tracks are there.

That's proof of existence right there alone, as you can

say and you can bully whatever, which way do you

want to do it to the eyewitnesses. It's not going

to change anything because of your fears. Okay, now you're

going to get to AI. Only you can see that

pictures above my head right there. That's an actual artist's

rendition right there.

Speaker 3: Let me just.

Speaker 2: State this that I could probably sell a thousand T

shirts with AI on it in that one there, and

I assure you, okay, people fage away from I haven't

sold very many of those at all. As a matter

of fact, I get rid of them and basically game

to somebody else, okay, to do to do you know whatever,

because I'm a lot older now. But it's uncan any

valley what it's called. Our minds are going to play

all kinds of tricks on us, and we can't just

sit and say, yeah, okay, I understand that is No.

You have to recognize, become aware of what it is

and you and you are suffering from it. In order

to do this, you need to understand the box, the

sandbox that you were sitting in. Once you understand it

and become aware of it, you have to get out

of that sandbox and leave your toys in the box

and start thinking outside the box, just like you would

if you went to college. You need to start thinking

outside the box to put it all together.

Speaker 3: Ai.

Speaker 2: Almost two years ago, everybody was oh ai AI, And

I told everybody is this is going to destroy the community.

It's going to totally muddy the water and your red

circles and your blurry pictures. Let me be quite frank

here me as an eyewitness. If I had one standing

in front of me and I took that picture and

it was blurry, believe me, I am not going to

put it up for you to look at because it

would be such a disappointment to me.

Speaker 3: Think about that.

Speaker 2: If you have to draw circles around it, there's a problem.

It doesn't count. It really doesn't. And we're going to

go by the BFRO classifications. A class A is fifty yards,

a class B is what sounds. If that's the fact,

then what did I myself have along with a very

small group of all the eyewitness reports that anybody's ever heard.

Out of a thousand reports, there's probably less than one

percent of those who have been this close. And can

I really really identify it? The average sighting is between

five and eleven seconds, never mind distance and lighting conditions

and fight or flight, an uncanny valley, and everything else

psychologically is going on in your head between five and

eleven seconds. You're not a Green Beret, you're not a

Navy seal. Don't try to pull it off as that. Okay,

you didn't have that much time. You probably wouldn't be

able to identify your mother in low light conditions running

on the edge of a tree line at seventy five

yards out. You wouldn't know what she was wearing or

if she was wearing anything. So we have to look

at those. The podcasters are having a brutal time sorting

people out. We have to hear everybody, everybody, because some

people may embellish their story, you know, so we have

to so there might be some piece of evidence in there.

Are you going to get the people that are good liars,

really good liars? They are smart enough, okay, you're smart enough,

criminally smart to be able to glean information out of

what they know is the truth. Because how a liar

is going to know the truth right and take that

and to incorporate it into a story to get on

a podcast. Let me put this out there for everybody.

I haven't admitted dying. I'm being on somebody's podcast. The

podcast makes it by trying to bring you the evidence

through the eyewitness that you are asking an eyewitness to relive.

That would be like trying to get a combat veteran

is suffering PTSD to relive a situation again. And then

some people feel that, well, you know what, I have

the right he put himself out there, has the right

to call him a liar and this that no, you don't.

I have every right to come back and get you

and call you names. Also, so that goes out to

all the people. If you firmly believe they do not

do it, start a podcast and get your people out there.

There's a group that's out there that they basically full

of them. Is why witnesses don't last two minutes on

that on that form, it's a joke. I'm a member

of that group because I'm there. I'm there for exactly

why I said, I'm there to let that eyewitness know

that there is somebody here.

Speaker 1: I've seen the groups that like to belittle everybody that

come on there and say that. I don't know why

people even go there and say anything without researching the group.

Because as soon as you start saying something then. But

there's also there's also groups that annoy me because they

actually I think it's okay for some people to be

skeptical about certain people's claims because some of the things

you even touch base on it, Like I've seen so

many blurry photos and red circles that it's really hard

to take anything seriously when someone claims they have so

many experiences day in and day out, but yet they've

shown you absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there's a lot of red flags in there,

and I won't give them all up. You know, there

was a time that I wouldn't give a complete description

of what I saw because I knew that this AI

was going to come about and people were going to

try to get to refine it and refine it until

and they would even contact me or other people would

contact me for them and say, is this close to

what you saw? Well, you know, the more information to

feed into that algorithm, the more the AI is going

to use that. And if you feed it the wrong information,

then it's the wrong stuff out there. That's how that works. Yes,

I've heard some stories that I know were not true,

but I felt really, really bad for the individual because

I knew. I knew that there was something else that

was going on there that we won't get into. That

this person was really psychologically injured by somebody else or whatever,

and or are suffering from something. And it's not my

call to say something like that. Only that I can

just say, okay, okay, good. You know it's it's not good,

but it is okay. As podcasters, I try to tell

some podcasters you got somebody, you got my name.

Speaker 3: I used to do it for a man.

Speaker 2: I'd name a Larry Batson, great guy passed away. Won't

I won't go into detail, but in any case, that's

what he would do. That's how I met Carry Arnold.

That's how I met a lot of people that are

doing podcasts today. They had encounters. I was the guy

they first spoke with. I was the guy that vetted

them and got them on their first shows because I

knew they were telling me the truth.

Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will mistake a lot

of the podcast. And I don't try and sound like

I'm holier than now because I really don't care about

any of that stuff. But I know there's people out

there that literally are doing the podcast just as a

way of making money. Correct, I don't make shit for

what I do on this show. And like, there are

some out there that literally they don't care what the

story is. They don't care if it's complete and utter crap.

They will literally put it out there just because it's content,

and that content generates the money and they live high

on the hog. So everyone thinks, and that's just there.

I have a full time job, Like, yeah, I make

some money here and there, but it's basically enough to

keep the lights on in the place. I'm not living

a lucrator business. And it would take a lot in

order for me to not quit my normal job, because

my normal job is a lot better than what I

do for this. I do this for the fact that

I want answers.

Speaker 3: They know they're doing it.

Speaker 2: They know they're doing it, you know, and they do

it because they they can't got all these people and everything,

so they're taking it down that road. Because the majority

of people, it was a pet Barnum had a little

saying there. The more majority of people like a bedtime story.

They love a bedtime story. They love scary stories. They

like to sit around the fire and tell scary stories. Okay,

This is not a scary story in a way, but

in a way it should be very scary to some people. Okay,

they want that story. I've had many comments, not many comments,

but I've had a few comments anyways that people are like, well,

he was hard to follow. He gave out too much information.

What do you really think was going through my mind

that day? What was going through my mind is something

phenomenal is happening to me, and I need to take

as much information as I possibly can. The military trained

me to do that. Fighting trained me to do that,

to remain calm in the moment so that I could

take in that information and and relate the information to you.

Otherwise it would have been nothing but a story, a

simple little bedtime story. But you've got all the information,

and people, it's on you, if you're trustworthy, use it.

I've put this out and I've pleaded with people. You know,

some people may sound may think, well, he's arrogant or whatever.

Speaker 3: Whatever.

Speaker 2: I've had people make fun of me about my teeth. Okay,

before I got teeth, all right, it had no bearing

on the encounter or the amount of information that I received.

I had really good teeth back when it happened.

Speaker 1: People just have reasons to find an excuse to make

someone else not be credible. They look for whatever they

can just to try and ridicule someone, or just because

they don't want to believe. And therefore everyone is automatically

a liar because they refuse to believe.

Speaker 3: It's too hard. It's too hard to believe.

Speaker 2: I had stories, true stories of people, of groups of

people that were so scared. A priest in one of

them that was so scared he asked these people who

brought him in there to never speak about it to

anybody because he didn't want it to get back to

the church. Think about that the area that I was in,

Let me tell you one good thing about that area

or it be in steep and legend. Several of my

friends were taken out of there by the Army National

Guard for being in there. You're not allowed to be

in there in that area. I went in there because

we liked the fish. We were from the hilltowns. I

went in there with a friend of mine, and guess

what happened. The helicopter came in. They never got us,

but they knew exactly where I was. And my buddy

was how do you think they knew that was nothing

but ground sensors. If you knew where I was and

my buddy was by that use, then you also know

that they are there m H as government property. They

know that they're there. If they were to bring that out,

if they were admit to all of this and guess

what this isn't a salamander, a rare salamander or a

rare frog that will stop logging in an area. This

is the forest people, and we would have to stop

all kinds of things like cracking and logging and everything

else and give them their their land back.

Speaker 1: I don't think it would sit well with most people

in general, for the fact, thinking that there's these wild

men quote unquote running around in their woods behind their

house and they'd be afraid. I think that throughout the

whole UFO and alien aspect, it's they claim that they

can't do disclosure because the average person can't accept it.

I think it's the same way with like Bigfoot. If

they were to tell people that these things were real,

I don't think the average person could accept it.

Speaker 2: That's exactly why I point to this picture behind me.

One of these pictures that I have is I sold

forty five for those like in a two year period

of time. Why because you can't accept what they really

look like, and that is they look very human like.

The closer than you are and the more time you

have with your mind to observe this situation, that's exactly right.

Let's go back and look at Jane Goodall. What were

the descriptions she was getting That took an amazing amount

of brass to do what she did and to prove it.

And it wasn't just going up there and doing it.

She went against mainstream academia. Okay, when you want to

publish a piece of paper, you have to have these

people sign off on it. These people look at your paperwork.

They've already done their doctorate, and they already done their thesis.

They would have to sign off and saying basically what

they did is a little flawed. Who wants to do

that when you're collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars a

year as being a speaker or whatever the.

Speaker 3: Case may be. If you notice.

Speaker 2: At conferences the people now are saying, we want to

hear from the real eyewitnesses. Why they're catching on.

Speaker 3: To the show?

Speaker 2: You got people wearing three foot long bowie knives with

hand handcuffs on there? What do you plan to do

with the handcuffs? The pretty boys, the pretty girls? Where

all these shows that are out there, I'll come you

have not used anything that I have said. How come

you have not gotten that close to them? How come

you have not done the Jane Goodall thing with Don

and done that.

Speaker 1: Why I could tell you some stories about some of

the TV stars, but that'll get me canceled.

Speaker 3: Oh yes it will. That's why I try not to say,

you know who were anything like that. But they know me.

Speaker 2: I'll guarantee that they probably know me. Even though I

might not know them, they definitely know me, and they

know this story.

Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up with it?

Speaker 2: You know, you'll put somebody on a show you'll hear

You'll hear me, and you'll say, nah, man peez.

Speaker 3: You know.

Speaker 2: The first thing that was told to me was by

Carry Arnold. And I interviewed Carrie Arnold and he said,

you know, you just don't have that drama that hype.

I said, I can't do that. I don't know if

I do or if I don't, but I don't think

I do. I can't act a certain way to make

something sound so fantastical or whatever. This is what happened.

This is who I am. That's it. I'm just a person,

you know. I am who I am shaped by what

I lived through my life.

Speaker 1: Someone criticized me for my own experience that I had

years ago, and it wasn't because they didn't believe it.

They just said it wasn't really all that interesting. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll guarantee I don't think i've ever heard your

story about I bet you that I could probably find

something in that story that is helpful to everybody, including

your your frame of mind when it was going on.

Were you thinking right before that happened that morning or

you know, hours before that?

Speaker 3: What were you thinking of? That was the question my

wife asked me.

Speaker 1: M m.

Speaker 2: That's what drove me on that trail of what was

everybody thinking?

Speaker 3: And you know what I found.

Speaker 2: I found so far just about every single person had

the same thing going on in their minds, the same

same thing, very spiritual thing. Okay, something happened, something happened

in our lives, our minds were on somebody else or whatever.

I can guarantee you this. It's sad when somebody dies

in your life. But you will never doubt, ever doubt

that there is something beyond that if it happens to you,

And I pray if something happens, whoever is listening to

this that I'm around, and you remember my name or

Brandon or many other podcasts that I've been on, and

you call them and you tell them, because you are

going to need somebody to speak with who will relate

to you and understand and be able to tell you,

to give you some answers. I hope that this gives

some people some answers other people. I hope you had

a good bedtime story. Okay, now you can go get

self tucked in, get your little hot Toddy or whatever,

but it will never change what was really out there.

Speaker 1: Yeah. On that note, we can probably wrap this one

up because I've been looking at it here and it

is twenty two degrees where I'm sitting right now.

Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what I get this. This is

a coat I got. It was made. I believe that

maybe in Pakistan. I think it's a freezer coat.

Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what I could.

Speaker 2: Probably stand out there and minus twenty weather. You know,

ski equipment, snowmbobill on equipment is the best. It is

the best. Everybody wants to brag about it. But it's

called zero movement. I don't have to move around, and

I'm sweating. Yeah, I got a little space here here,

But you know, I feel for you.

Speaker 1: That I've got my two cars. I got my car

Heart hoodie and my car Heart jacket on. But my

feet are cold.

Speaker 2: So mine too, I'm wearing because I'm down here in Kentucky.

I wear these big Paul muckers because I just don't

like I've been bitten twice in my life. I just

don't like creepy crawley things seeking up by me.

Speaker 1: Okay, so you know I don't blame you for that.

Speaker 2: For my feet are cold and kind of cold in

these now they're only good for like down to thirty

degrees yea, though it's felt the same temperature. Here is

where you are, Brandon. You know, I thought I had

met you before, and now that I see you, I

know that I've never met you. And I've been saying

to myself, how is it that this guy Brandon tinfoil

tails slipped by me? You know that we never spoke

because I never well, I can't say I never have

it because I've only done it three times where I've

seen maybe you were one of them that put it

out there on your post that you're looking for somebody,

and I say, I'll do it for you, just because

there are no coincidences. There's a reason, absolutely for everything.

If you really take it seriously and look at it,

you can eliminate it that it was not a coincidence.

It was absolutely a reason for it.

Speaker 1: I try not to say there's too many coincidences. That's

one of the things that I don't really believe. And

I think things happen for a reason, and.

Speaker 3: Words are magical.

Speaker 2: So if you plan on writing in my car, don't

ever get in my car and say, I hope we

don't get a flat tire, because I will pull over

and I will let you out right there. There's things

like down here people are learning because I kind of secluded.

So it's real hill town people, real family oriented people,

and they'll say, well, it's supposed to don't talk about it.

If you talk about it, you're probably going to manifest it.

The super power of the manifestation. Doctor Dwayne Dyer Okay

shot the Galla in a whole bunch of them so

you can imagine. I've read a lot of books on

spiritual things because I needed to know what happened to

me and why me? And why me? Is I have

a message and this is part of it right here

that you've heard tonight. Indeed, there is something they have

to offer us.

Speaker 1: For anyone listening if they would like to hear more

from you. Is there a way that they can reach

out to you or somewhere where they can go to

context you?

Speaker 2: You can go to you can you can actually get

get merchandise from Richie Banter with Richie and Wojo, or

I can direct you if you go on X because

I'm almost all done with Facebook. You go on X

and I'm on X as my whole name and Sasquatch Whisperer, Okay,

so would be Ernie Daviel Sasquatch Whisperer, and anything that

I have I'm transferring over for information like on Canny

Valley ancient language, evolution, stuff like that.

Speaker 3: So just go on there.

Speaker 2: You know. I like it a lot better. I don't

have to put up with politics and hate. Hate is

such a bad, bad word. We should never hate, and

that's what makes us untrustworthy.

Speaker 1: M m that is the whole community at this point

as a bunch of hatred. That's what it seems like.

Speaker 2: Hatred, jealousy, egos, you name it, it's there, you know,

and to filter through it, you can only imagine that

a newbie had just had a sighting today or an

hour ago. I hope you hear this message. I hope

that you seek out this some of this knowledge and

make contact with some of the serious podcasters. Brandon being

one of them, will tell you Richie Banthrew, Richie Wojo,

they have an amazing thing going on there. They listen,

they utilize, they have amazing results going on there. The

statures they had Shelley and Steven, they have them living

on the property bonafide. Okay, but those are little baby

steps you need to go through. And the first baby

step is to become at peace with everything and get

yourself spiritual.

Speaker 3: You're gonna need it. If one steps out in front

of you.

Speaker 1: Well, Ernie, it has been a pleasure talking to you.

Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to hear your story someday, Brandon.

Speaker 1: I've been on a few shows. I can send you

a link to one of them.

Speaker 2: Please do that. I would really love to hear it.

I've heard a lot of the podcasters' stories, a lot

of them that are bonafide, you know, absolutely, and I

think yours is also. I would just love so much

love to hear yours because I realize that that's probably

was your catapult into this. You're you were seeking yet

you were seeking out. Also, as I was back in

the day, there was hardly any podcasters. Heck, there wasn't

even people say well, why didn't you take your phone out?

First of all, I didn't have time to do that.

I had other things that on my mind that I

was doing. Secondly, if I took the phone out, you're

talking nineteen eighty seven or so.

Speaker 3: There were no cameras on any phones right back there.

Speaker 2: Okay, so a lot of good doubt would have gonna

was gonna do was gonna do me, you know, and

nobody's going to be you know, hey, let me pop

it out. And if you do pop it out, don't

be drawing red circles around it and submitting blurry pictures, okay,

because you're not gonna You're not going to make it.

To start them, you know, it's difficult to get into it.

They want the hype at the conferences and this and that.

I will be at the one in Ohio watch some

of them with Leona and Jim Horners. The owner is

putting it on and watch it. It'll be it'll be

posted up in a bunch of the forums and stuff,

and you can catch me up there in person. I

won't be selling anything, Okay, maybe maybe the Brooklyn Bridge.

Maybe I'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.

Speaker 1: How far are you from Red River Gorge?

Speaker 2: Oh, I'm right down to your coming gap. I'm just

on the outskirts of Daniel Boone straight for us. That's

really something. And Cumberland Gap is the falls down there

is the only place in the world where you can

see a moon rainbow MHM looked at up in the

and the Mammoth Cave is the largest cave system in

the world down there in the world. I won't go

in the cave. It's not happening, So I'm not a

cave person. I'm not going anywhere it's I don't like

deep water. I don't like water, and I don't like caves.

Speaker 1: I don't like the ocean, and I don't like kate.

I don't like anything, whether it's creepy Crawley's I'm not

a big fan of that stuff.

Speaker 2: So yeah, but sometimes you just have to you take

it for what it is. But if you're in that

spiritual moment, you don't have to worry about it. You

really don't really have to worry about it. If it's

your time, it's your time. If it's not, well, then

it's just not you know, we understand that when we

get when we get older. But I'm sure you know

a lot of the podcasters, Brandon, so don't be afraid

to mention my name to them and just say, I

guess who I just got to talk to. You have

a good conversation with him. You all guys can get

together and maybe someday if you get to go to

a conference, you can say you'd better be having that

Ernie Davio dude here, because I heard it that dude

loves hamburgers. You can you can keep anything else, you

know what I mean. It doesn't I can make it

with a hot dog. I'm just happy to eat something like.

Speaker 3: That comfort food. Okay.

Speaker 2: I would love to sit down with all of you

like Miguel Ramirez. Okay, I don't know if you know

him or.

Speaker 3: A whole bunch of I mean a whole.

Speaker 2: Bunch of you and Todd Gatewood. You need to look

that up because that's where I think these other people

got a little bit of their information from.

Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with them. I'll have to look into it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be on there. When you add all of

this stuff. You'll hear me say it on there and

you'll be able to write it down. And it's free

on kindle, but it's better to have it in your hand,

and then you can call Todd and you can say, Todd,

I'm sending you this book, or why don't you send

me a book Todd, and I'll push your book for you,

but you have to sign that book for me, and

he will.

Speaker 3: Yeah, he will. Yep.

Speaker 1: Well, again, it's been a pleasure talking with you. For

anyone interested, make sure to check out. I'll put your

links in the show notes for you. But we're gonna

wrap this one up, so thanks for listening, thanks for

Ernie for being here, and we will check you on

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