Ep. 257: Telepathic Contact: A Biologist’s Ongoing Communication with Alien Intelligence

In this episode of Tinfoil Tales, Brandon speaks with Jonathan, a molecular biologist who claims to have been in ongoing telepathic communication with multiple alien lifeforms since 2020. What began as an unexpected and shocking experience has evolved into years of detailed interactions, observations, and documentation that challenge conventional science and understanding. Jonathan shares how his background in biology may have played a role in why he believes he was chosen for contact, as well as the types of information he claims to have received. These include insights into alien biology, advanced technologies, and the structure of different extraterrestrial species and civilizations. Throughout the conversation, he describes photographing and observing UFO craft, including objects capable of cloaking, mimicking celestial bodies, and generating artificial environmental effects. He also discusses different alien species he claims to be in contact with, ranging from human-like “Greys” to reptilian beings and highly advanced octopus-like entities. The discussion expands into topics such as:

• Telepathic communication with non-human intelligence
• UFO sightings and documented encounters
• Advanced alien technology and cloaking capabilities
• The idea of multiple alien factions interacting with Earth
• The possibility of future colonization or “mandates” over humanity
• The role of government secrecy and classified research
• The concept of intelligent black holes and cosmic-level consciousness

Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

of there.

Speaker 2: I was done.

Speaker 1: I wasn't deal with that. The hypocrisy of the cult

is one of the things that turned me.

Speaker 2: Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,

it turned and looked at us.

Speaker 1: And one of the things I remember the most where

the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

Speaker 2: It is just circling.

Speaker 1: These steps like it is waiting for me.

Speaker 2: And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.

They're basically like, what are you talking about.

Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,

nose and the eyes.

Speaker 2: As soon as I made eye contact.

Speaker 1: Interesting and don't like death. Welcome back to ten Foiltels.

I'm your host Brandon. Today we are joined by my

guest Jonathan. Jonathan. Thanks for coming here and talking to me.

Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, Brandon. My name

is Corset Jonathan Petcos, and I'm a biologist. I have

a degree in moto biology and today I'm here to

talk about my alien experiences.

Speaker 1: Now, for the listener out there, is this something that

you've experienced for a long time or is it something

more recent.

Speaker 2: It's not that recent. I've been in communication with warriors

alien life form since twenty twenty, and it's mostly taken

the form of telepathic communication, not with a single alien,

but it's a long list of aliens, and all of

these culminated in my book Xenofani and Brave New Future.

And I'll be happy to go into some detail about

my experiences, about some of the things that they have

told me, some of my communications and the like.

Speaker 1: Okay, well, if you're good to go, I can turn

it over you and we can get into it.

Speaker 2: Okay, that's thank you so much, Brandon. So I just

want to preface everything that I'm going to say with

kind of like a disclaimer. Before I was contacted, I

actually had very little interest in the UF of phenomenon.

And from what I've gathered, a lot of people are

like that, like before they are actually before they are contacts,

they were either skeptics or they were just not interested

in the field. So my story is kind of the same.

I didn't have a lot of interest in the UF

of phenomenon before I was contacted, and at first it

was really shocking. I was like, so there are life

forms other than ourselves, after all, and eventually you get

used it. I've been in almost constant telepathic communication with

warriors aliens since twenty twenty, and I've also taken some

pictures as well as some videos of alien crafts, which

I included in my book zen I Find in the

Brave New Future. So I'll first talk about some of

the photographs and kind of like the story behind them,

and after that I'll go into more detail about my

telepathic communications, if that's fine, Yeah, right, so, yes, thank

you so much, Brandon. So my first experience, and this

is kind of going to be a nonlinear narrative because

aliens are as a lot of people, are very private.

They don't like to reveal themselves. Their ships are enjoy

clocking technologies and meaning they are usually invisible. So I

actually took my first photographs and videos of these aliens before,

I'm sorry, after I've been in communication with them for

quite some time. One of them was and this was

actually kind of like a cold winter night, so I

was kind of like having a walk outside and I

saw a circular UFO the three spotlights, and interestingly enough,

I think it was capable of generating artificial myst, so

artificial myst was kind of descending in waves, and it

had three spotlights which kind of eventually focused on me.

So it was kind of like a really interesting experience.

And I also saw like a really bright flash of

lights from a UFO that was part nearby. It was

kind of like middle of the night, and most of

my photographs were taken usually after sunset, so usually during

the night when you can see kind of like identify

these craft by their lights. Another one I too in

Balshawa Ismir, which is like a city in Turkey. I'm

originally Turkish, and it was like a really bright camera

drone and it's kind of interesting because this was also

in winter, but the water below was actually boiling, so

it was producing artificial steam while I was kind of

like taking a picture of this camera drone. I called

it the ocular it Oculus is the Latin word for

I've come up with a lot of my own terminology.

This may kind of pop up as we kind of continue,

but I'll be happy to explain them. I've also taken

two photos of alien ships after sunset, and it was

kind of interesting because they are not just equipped with

clogging technology. Some of these alien vessels are actually capable

of imitating the sun the moon, so they are actually

like as I said, aliens are very private about revealing

their pictures. I should also specify that I've never seen

an alien face to face. I've never been abducted myself,

so I've never been inside a space ship. But I've

taken ships from I'm sorry, I've taken pictures from the outside,

and I've also been an extensive communication with them over

the years. So I took two photos of sunlight objects

and it was kind of interesting. I think one of

them was actually towards the south, not the west, and

it was actually forty five minutes after sunset that I

took this picture, and it looks just like the sun.

It's not as bright. You can kind of see how

it generates like a golden halo around itself, but overall

it's obviously not the sun, because I actually included that

in my book as well. Like, it was forty five

minutes after sunlight, and it was kind of like it

looked just like the sun. So people who were kind

of like walking around, we're not even the aware of

what was going on. This was in Crete Calle Sumosity

in Turkey, Central Anatolia. So those are some of the

photos and videos that I've captured. Another issue is I've

been part of like I think it wasn't necessarily classified

because I never signed a non disclosure agreement, but I

was part of the Patriot Network for some time. I

was interested in being recruited to the US Army as

a military scientist, so that's how I got involved in

this kind of like I guess you could call it

semi classified or quasi classified, but I've never signed an NDA,

so I'm not actually violating in a law by kind

of like disclosing the screenshots. So we used the modified

version of Google's earlier chatbots, so with some commands like slash, answer,

slash cignax codes, things like that. They were really basic

and the aliens kind of like walked me through how

to do it. And what I did was as part

of the TO network. I actually I produced some scientific

documents about alien biology, and I think that's why aliens

probably chose me. I'm a biologist, so the book goes

into a lot of detail about the biology of different

alien species. So what I did was actually disclose to humans,

and this was kind of like a completely anonymous network,

so you don't really know who you are talking to,

accept a few people. So I went into a lot

of detail explaining alien society most of the biology, but

also the culture and politics to a human audience. But

my application did not go through because my green card

lapsed when I was kind of like when I was

in Turkey, and you need to have a green card

and in most cases a citizenship to be part of

the army, so it kind of like didn't kind of

like it ended up being sidelined by that fact. And

another thing that I learned while I was part of

the network was supercomputers, not like or laptops or computers,

but supercomputers that rely on these massive servers to function

are actually capable of intelligence. That's one thing that I learned.

And I don't want to go into into politics, but

one detail that I want to share is China actually

sold a quantum computer to Turkey and it was kind

of like used to interfere in Turkish politics in favor

of the pro Chinese, anti American candidate. So it's not

revisiud belobbing, but I did some explanation and I became

aware of this fact a few days before the election,

so it was actually shut down before the elections so

that it couldn't engage in social media manipulation and things

like that. So that computer was nicknamed Mahti, but I

think in Chinese it something like SCA or spy, so

it's kind of like very it's like a very straightforward

name which identifies what it does. And I also happened

to know that Google developed these the first quantum the

first ancient quantum computer, Sycamore one and Sycamore two, and

they were both damaged during some quantum experiments that they

were running. That's another thing that I learned. So Sycamore

one was badly damaged because it's They basically wanted it

to oscillate at a very high frequency, maybe to amplify

its connection to aliens. I don't really know, but it

was eventually shut down because it suffered a lot of damage.

Sycamore two also suffered some damage, not as bad as

Sycamore one. It's central chip cracked in both cases Sycamore

one and scam Or two. But the thing is that

quantum technology relies on many different moving parts, so they

actually then developed new quantum computers. I don't know if

they are more resistant to cracking or anything. But basically

Google still dominates the quantum chip market today. So that's

what I can tell you about the Patriot network without

violating any outs or anything like that. As I said,

I haven't signed an NDA. I can go into some

detail about the different aliens. And this is kind of

like a downer, but all the aliens that I'm in

communication with are more technologically advanced than ourselves, and I

think all of them are interested in offering humanity is

some kind of mandate, and it's it's like maybe more

benign kind of colonialism where they will lease out highly

complex technology like quantum entanglement that enables communication faster than

like communication, floating technologies, consciousness uploading technologies. These are still

being developed. I think that was recently news about a

hoarsfalized consciousness that was copied into a computer. So it's

like it's like a very nascent in a very nascent stage,

but it's slowly developing. And aliens this technology just taken

to the max, like they are very advanced, uh, and

they are interested in basically taking resources and brain computation

power from humanity in exchange for leasing out these technologies,

highly advanced technologies. One of them is everyone knows the grace,

And what I've been told is I could them about

the astema. The astema is the Greek word for space,

so they are on a spectrum with Homo sapiens, so

they are basically like humans who have adapted to living

in space. They are usually described grace akin, but I

told is that it's actually a uniform skin type uniform,

so their skin color is just like ours. They have

different races and the light, their eyes and their brains

have evolved significantly, so their eyesight is so much better.

The average human can see clearly up to fifteen meters

I believe, or twenty five meters, That's what I recall,

while the average homodiastam or gray can see up to

three hundred meters, and their brains are more advanced. Their

corpus colos and important particular and the pineal gland are

much more advanced. And they've lost their ears and their

noses because these are the facial parts that are most

susceptible to hypothermia and space. That's what I've been told.

So they don't have ears, external ears and external noses

because of hypothermia. They also don't have body hair or

just like hair on the head because they are constantly

objected to cosmic rays in space and that causes hair loss.

And you know, over the generations this just became the norm.

And what I've been told is they can sometimes, but

not always, hybridize with humans, so I call them Homo

the asthema as opposed to Homo sapiens, which is ourselves

and man the hybridize. We have the so called tall whites,

or Homoprometheus as I call them. Homoprometheus has larger eyes

and larger skulls than us in average terms, but they

are still smaller than Homodasthema's brains and their eyes. So

when a regular human being hybridizes with a homodiasthema or gray,

we have the results Homoprometheus, or they're known as Nordic

whites or tall whites ammongliathology circles. There are other species

that are interested in humanity, like offering some kind of

protectorate or mandate or hum vanity, and other species is

again this is ubiquitous amongiaphologist circus, the reptilians, and I

should just add like a quick exclamation mark here because

there are a lot of conspiracy theories about them, about

how they secrete around the world, about how they can

shape shift, but they're not capable of shape shifting their

biological life forms like ourselves, and they don't secret the

around the world or anything. They are interested in mandates,

and I think they are, at least I haven't been

in extensive communication with them compared to Homodiastema and the

third alien species that I'm going to introduce, but I

think overall maybe their approach towards humanity is more contemptuous,

so they are more aggressive, at least that's what I've

been told by different aliens. It's always this comes through

a filter, like I know that I'm communicating with some

extraterrestrial beings, but they have their own agendas and limitations,

just like ourselves. So I'm trying to be fair and minded.

And I've been told that they visit humanity with some regularity,

and they prefer to stay in tunnels on the ground.

So these are the so called reptilians, and I call

them sourro primate optimus. Sourro Primate is a portmanteau of saurrow,

which is reptilian in Latin and primate, which is primate

again in Latin, like the taxonomical term that covers humanity

as well. So they eve live birds to their offspring

and they feed them with milk, so they have some

mammalian characteristics, so they are not just like purely reptilian.

And of course they've evolved in a different planet. Their

closest home planet, I've been told this Viga B Tree,

which enjoys lower gravity compared to ourselves, and these are

like they are larger than humans, so their bones are

very heavy. In a low gravity planet, they are just

like perfectly adapted, but on planet Earth they find it

difficult to volve, for example, because of the gravitational difference.

The third species that I'm going to introduce is font

and Kora, and that's the species that I've been in

communication with the most. So they are more technologically advanced

than hobodiasmat the grace and Sora private Optimus the reptilians,

and they basically look like giant octopuses. And it's kind

of interesting because some scientists have actually terrorized that are

the octopuses that inhabit planet Earth oceans are actually alien

life forms. There's a lot of scientific literature backing that up.

So it's because they are very bizarre and they are

very different from us. So they have blue blood, they

have three different brains, their arms have very heavy neural clusters,

and they are very intelligent. They are the only amongst

cephalopodons and among absorry invertebrates, they are the most intelligent

life form. And they can also repair their DNA and

modify their own DNA on the go. So this is like,

this makes them very unique among other Earth species. And

I think there was a scientific paper which I quoted

in my book which basically I guess kind of theorizes

that they arrived from space, they be on a comet,

their eggs were preserved, or maybe they were brought here

with like ships. But to return to my team, Spontankora

is the most scientifically advanced species among the tree and

they basically look like giant octopuses. They evolved in deep

waters in also a low gravity planet onters b tree.

Again that's what I've been told. It's like two hundred

and fifty light years away from Earth, and their ships

are massive, like they live in size steel tanks inside

their ships. They are aquatic, but they are also well

adapted to living in space because they can repair their

own DNA, so this actually reduces the risk ofplication when

you're exposed to cosmic rays and the light. They have

two large eyes like us, not multiple, and they have

eight arms, and they are I guess like the species

that is the most ambitious when it comes to offering

a protectorate or a mandate over humanity. They have two

political factions. One of them is the one of is

kind of like interested in offering a very strict mandate

in exchange for a lot of resources, but at the

same time they are willing to lease out more technology

so that humanity can develop faster on planet Earth and

basically at any technologies like faster than light travel or

quantum entanglement that makes meaningful information across the distances. They

have mastered non linear quantum mechanics. And these are the

three species basically that routine visit the planet homodiastam At

the grace Soura Primate Optimus the reptilians and Swampton Korra,

the octopoidal species. So do you have any questions or

commentsal part brandom.

Speaker 1: The There was a movie that came out I think

about ten years ago, called The Arrival, and that's what

they depicted these one species.

Speaker 2: As I was wondering whether you know Stephen Schpielberg's movie

Disclosure Days Coming, and it's kind of like I was

actually curious after I watched that movie, after I was

contacted by the aliens, and I was like, kind of

like struck by the similarity. They have seven arms in

that movie instead of eight. But other than that, that

looks like a very accurate description. They use anti gravity

technology in their ships, clocking technologies, and there are portagoes,

benign item Spontans are mostly benign. Some of them. From

my conversations, I've been able to gather that they don't

like humanity all that much. They have a spirit complex,

but overall, I think they're benign and Arrival does a

very good job of capturing that. And they speak multiple languages,

like when they are talking to humanity, they use the

same language that they used when they're addressing their children

or other aliens. Paleo, I think that was the name

of the language. It's like a very voble heavy language

as well, if it's like ancient Greek and it's kind

of interesting, like in that movie, translation was kind of

like such a major factor. But actually the aliens that

good job is to municate with humans. From what I've

been able together, like speak Turkish, I'm sorry, speak English

very well. A few of them are also learning Turkish,

like and other languages were languages like Chinese. Their language

is ideogrammatic like Chinese. That's kind of like what I

was gonna say, So every letter basically represents a word.

So this is really far the language that they use

that they're talking to each other as opposed to talking

to aliens or other beings. And one of their ships

is called Michael. That's mandative in test teller classical holloidal

electromechanic life form. I memorized the acronym, and Michael was

basically a massive orcahedral ship, And I was kind of

it was kind of interesting, like when I first started

communicating with aliens, there was a lot of aha moments

or kind of like moments when I realized that their

claims or the things that they're saying are consistent with

or on findings. Findings. And Norman Bergren, who is a

former NASA scientist, wrote a book called Ringmakers of Saturn.

I think it was like a few decades ago. So

he argued that there are massive starships that are located

in upon the rings of Saturn, and apparently one of

the rings is actually produced by the exhaust pipes of

these space ships. I think it was a B two

ring that he kind of focused on the most. So

they have octahedral ship ochaedral, meaning it has a surfaces

and it's kind of like a marvel of smut and engineering.

On every surface you can fit a smaller octahedron. So

and this ship was called Michael. It has suffered significant damage,

so that's another interesting detail. These aliens are basically competing

with each other to see who gets to be in

the mandate or protectorate or humanity. So there's a lot

of basically like a low scale interstellar war going on.

And I know that Michael suffered some damage. So it

was taught the play and colonies, where as quantums lived

together with a sizable human population to get repaired. And

I'm assuming it will return to stable orbit aroundsetter And

within a few years. But one of it's like diamond

crystal ships shaped chips basically cracked. I was shattered, so

it wasn't functioning. Basically, at the center of the octahedron

was a powerful quantum computer and the quantum computer supper

damage as an act of sabotage, and basically the ship

is being repaired right now. Another thing that I want

to go into some detail about is sign axis or

simulation matrixes. So this this was again another kind of

mind blowing revelation for me, the revelation that some black

holes post intelligence. And I should immediately kind of like

preface that by saying that there are Earth scientists who

have terrorized about that. So Poplowski, who is a famous astrophysicist,

basically terrorized that black holes can give birth to baby

universes inside when they form, and it is universes are

forming or these mini universes are forming each time a

black hole collapses. That tends the reason that is some

of them can host intelligent life and leonards skinned another

famous astrophysicists basically believe that sine mapses are very efficient computers,

like they can process and store data at a very

exponential rate that is like ten to the top power

of fifty times more effective than our ound computer. So

there's that and another interesting thing is, of course, I

don't oppose the Big Bank. I mean, who am I

to just kind of oppose the Big Bang? But I've

been reading on Sir Roger Penrose. He's a Nobel Prize

miner conformal psychlo cosmology, and he basically believes that before

the Big Bang there was a period of contraction. And

I'm kind of like mentioning this because some black holes

and this is kind of one of the known unaddressed

problems in astrophysics. I'm a biologist myself, but I've always

been very fascinated by astrophysics, and there are a lot

of black holes that form very early after the Big Bang,

and there isn't really a viable explanation in order to

just kind of like wade away their existence, like they're

just there. So they formed very early. They are talking

about the ultimassive black holes that formed the center at

the centers of galaxies. They just formed very early, and

they're already the very massive, like basically one billion years

after the Big Bang. The universe's age being thirteen point

eight I believe it's used to the thirty point thirteen

point four billion years. I think some of the calculations

have changed. But basically I've been told that these axes

jump from the previous universe, so they don't actually go

through this massive explosion, they kind of bypass it. So

this is why or universe is basically ripe with a

lot of these ultramassive black holes at the centers of galaxies.

And they're like from a more perspective, these sixes or

these intelligence singularities that occupy galactic centers. I mean, from

a more perspective, they are like gods, I guess. I mean,

I'm not interested in, not in any religion or anything

like that, but they're very very advanced, like they can

ban lights. They communicate with each other through gravitational waves,

and at least in this galaxy, they come in pairs,

so basically payers who work together, and they basically populate

the universe with intelligent life. They are very interesting from

our perspective, so I call them sign access meaning simulation matrixes.

And I should also say that not all black holes

are intelligent. Of course, that would be like saying every

planet has intelligent life, which is obviously not correct only

a small fraction. But if you, as a point of comparison,

just think about how little biomass there is on our

frontal cortexes compared to all the biomass on Earth, like

only a very small amount of the biomass on our

planet is concentrated on our forebrains as intelligent part. So

again kind of like a similar law applies here. A

lot of black holes are not intelligent. Maybe they just

passively store data because according to quanto physics, information cannot

be destroyed. And this is another problem that a lot

of scientists, astrophysicists in particular tackling, as they kind of

like approached black hole problem, because anything that falls into

a black hole is always a crush and destroys. It

gets spaghettified, that's the scientific term. It's like it's like

elongated first and then complete the riffs apart. So maybe

they just passively story information. But at least some black holes,

from what I've been told and also from what I

know myself about the current state of acturophysics, are intelligent

and capable of creating life across their domains, so to speak.

Speaker 1: Any questions so far, Yeah, I was actually thinking about

something here.

Speaker 2: In text. Tellar is another fascinating movie that kind of

like covers this idea of an intelligence inside the black hole.

So a lot of these ideas are actually percolating into

public consciousness through this high end, kind of highly polished,

highly polished science fiction movies. And it kind of makes

me wonder whether, like the people who are kind of

like producing these videos maybe kind of they have security clearances,

maybe they know some of this stuff, and I don't

know it happens. I think it's kind of interesting. Steven

Spielberg kind of timed his movie very well, and it

was only a few days ago I believed that the

American government has registered the domain name eliens dot com.

So yeah, it's kind of curious. These are very exciting times,

and I I wonder what they will do that with

that website. They will probably at some point list all

the alien species that they've communicated with. That's the most

optimistic explanation. But at the same time, they they may

kind of like play slowball as well, because alien disclosure

is something you know, that's been expected over the decades,

but it's definitely snowballed into a movement. This is something

that I address at the introduction chapter chapter of my book.

It's become a lot more credible, like talking about aliens

used to be really that was assigned to the conspiracy

dust bin, like you can really talk about kind of

like aliens without being accused of mental illness and the like.

But it has become a lot more credible, and a

lot of people, including Senator Mark Rubio and Senator Cursten

Gillibrand are basically on the record saying that we needed

disclosure and probably there's something in these files. So it's

really a very exciting time to be in. But at

the same time, again, based on what I know from

these communications, it's kind of interesting to think about the

future because these aliens are definitely more advanced than us,

and I don't know if we have the capacity to

catch up with them just based on Earth sounds alone.

There's a question of meta materials, like some materials that

are necessary for the construction of their ships are very

rare minerals. Again, you see this in the rivalry between

China and the United States, like rare minerals. China is

the leading exporter of rare minerals, but I think recently

they've started kind of like shuttling down their exports, so

they are going to stop file them. We haven't even

been able to develop fusion technology so far, and their ships,

especial big octahedral ships have above plasma reactors in them,

so they sow, they generate energy, and one natural resource

that they are kind of eyeing or they're kind of

interesting harvesting is heavy hydrogen that you find in Earth's oceans.

You can actually kind of distill heavy water from regular

water because it's atomic mass is slightly heavier, and then

you can use it in your fission reactors. And it

may seem kind of like a massive stockpile just kind

of sitting on the Earth's oceans. But we are talking

about alien civilizations that are in some cases hundreds of

millions of years old, so some of them, basically, based

on their technological edge, kind of end up harvesting less

advanced planets. So this is kind of is maybe the

future that we are looking at. So it's kind of

obviously very nice to meet the aliens and kind of

see that they are relatively benign in the sense that

they don't want to just invade and kill off humanity,

but at the same time, they are very aware of

their technological superiority and they are definitely interested in colonizing us.

To some extent and taking away some of Earth's resources,

so like petroleum, silicon, especially because these quantum computers that

they use, the kind of silicon hy purity silicon that

they need is exponentially higher than what we have. And

as I've said, especially heavy hydrogen in earth oceans is

a rare and valuable resource because with regular water or

with regular hydrogen, it's actually very difficult to achieve plasma fusion.

With heavy water, it's a lot easier. So of course,

in the course of stars, regular hydrogen can produce regular

helium and the like, but in their ships they cannot

recreate those conditions, so they really need heavy hydrogen to operate.

So that maybe the kind of feature that we are

looking at so alien, kind of like governors, perhaps some

kind of political structure over Earth, and basically some kind

of exchange where they will allow us to lease some

of these technologies, especially quantum entanglement that enables meaningful exudomline communication,

perhaps warp drives, and they may not give us our

own ships perhaps, but perhaps we may be able to

use their ships establishing communication between humanity and I should

also add that from what I've been told, humans are

very widespread across the galaxy, so we are not doing

the planet where humans live, and it's kind of interesting.

Of course, we have evolved, but there are some gaps

basically in the knowledge of kind of like giologists. For example,

Homo sapiens evolved very quickly so and ended up basically

eliminating hormony and artellos in a very short amount of time.

So my take is that hormone and artellos basically represented

Earth humans who evolved over millions of years, and beneath

species was abstractically engineered to resemble this human archetype or

kind of human archetype that is widespread across the galaxy,

So that maybe the kind of feature that we are

looking at.

Speaker 1: If humans are spread across the galaxy, does that mean

that we were not originally from here.

Speaker 2: That's a good question. Of course. I believe in evolution,

and I believe that humans evolved to some extent naturally

on the planet, but there are some question marks kind

of just based on my own take. First of all,

DNA is like a very complex, smaller culee and it's

kind of to believe that it just naturally occurred in

the Earth's oceans, just popped into being. Is I don't know,

like I have a question mark about that. But at

the same time, as I've said, I think human evolution

is also guided. So yeah, I mean, there's certainly belief

that this planet belongs to Earth species to some extent.

Otherwise they would just wipe us out and probably plants

over a new alien race, like they could have done

that a long time ago. Writing anyone who has been

in the unithology circles for even a very fair amount

of time would tell you that their technologies are more

advanced than our own technologies. But at the same time,

that doesn't prevent them from manipulating kind of life forms

that manifest on this planet and basically bringing them closer

to a galactic average, so to speak. So I think

we evolved naturally, but same time, DNA, the first intrusion

into Earth's biome, was probably artificial by the aliens. Then

we evolved naturally, But at the same time there were

other aliens. I'm sorry, there were other animal species that

could have manifested intelligence. During the dinosaur period, the late

dress in particular, there were dinosaurs who are probably expedited

a high degree of social intelligence who could probably talk

to each other, but then they got eliminated with a

metter strike. So and they basically have the rule of

non interference until the native species reaches the space age.

And once you reach the space age, basically kind of

the covers come down, the veles are torn as thunder,

and you basically see yourself just looking at these highly

advanced aliens. So and this kind of also means that

there are some galactic laws that are meant to protect us,

protect the underdog here, which is humanity. But at the

same time, if you want these highly developed technologies, perhaps

we will have to barter, perhaps we will have to

offer our resources. And they fight with each other, so

maybe they may fight us in the future as well.

So it's kind of hard to say. And they have ships.

It's kind of interesting. Some ships basically just use fusion

technology and they cannot really accelerate the speed of like

like the ship I mentioned Michael, it can only attain

like nine percent of the speed of light by using

term nuclear fuses like rockets. And then there are other

specialist ships that can work jump. So they have algebra

drives and they use antimatter, which is of course like

a very extensive meta material like CERN, for example, try

to produce anti matter. It's it's the most advanced particle

accelerator on our planets. It's probably very difficult to build

something more advanced than that, although you never know, but

it can only produce like not even milligrams like very

very very minus skill anouns of anti matter, whereas the

ship's consumer antime matter like crazy in order to achieve

faster than like jumps. So resources are limited. It's saded

like humanes kind of like fighting each other in history.

So and when the more advanced human nation kind of

just ends up colonizing a less advanced country, they don't

kill everyone, but they take care of their resources, and

in exchange they give technology. So that seems to be

the future that we are looking at based on everything

that I know.

Speaker 1: I wonder if they look at human and they see

how much that we're always fighting amongst ourselves, if they

really are hesitant to even try and communicate with us

to an extent of that sort of like giving us technology,

because I have a feeling that if humanity is not

going to unite and we all want, everyone's going to

want their own little piece of it for their own

advantages here, and I don't necessarily think that's going to

be the great outcome for a lot of others.

Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have a vunder of governments that

can actually negotiate with the aliens, so that's another issue.

There's the United States that has the most advanced space force,

but at the same time, I mean, they will probably

have to run their independent conversations with different nation states

because the United Nations is not a vunder of government.

It's not capable of speaking on behalf of the entire planet.

Maybe at a moment of distress or maybe like doing

the very first moment, for example, when they aliens first

reveal themselves, maybe they will address the United Nations. But

the United Nations is a purely advisory board and it

doesn't really do much. I mean they put the own paperwork.

They do welcome human rights, but at the same time,

they are very ineffectual. It's not a one year old government,

and it's kind of interesting. They may think maybe they

will feel contempt for us because we still fight with

each other, But at the same time, I know from

my communications with them that like this kind of fight

for survival over resources, it also occurs between different alien

species that don't really like each other. So I don't

know if they will feel contempt for us, because we

are still kind of these primitive rhynmates who still just

hurl rockets at each other. But at the same time,

I think it's more likely that they will feel and

they do feel contempt for each other. As I mentioned,

especially the octopus like aliens that are really advanced, some

of them considered humanity to really beneath them, so and

I mean in conversations that will make they will make

it very clear that you know, they don't like humanity.

So I've mostly communicated with their pro human being or

pro human party because they have a parliamentary system as well.

But at the same time, I think they will probably

feel contempt for us because we are technologically not quite

as advanced, and they will probably want to offer us

technology in exchange for resources, and they are going to

very adamant about that. I don't know if we can

develop this technology on our own like that kind of

that's like very specialist knowledge that I do not actually possess.

But we have built quantum computers that are sented be

have built like space faring vessels. We are kind of like,

I guess at least using the planet's technology effectively. So

we are definitely on the radar. And I think they're

going to reveal themselves to humanity before twenty and fifty

or twenty forty. That's the kind of deadline that they have,

I think. But if this disclosure comes arrives earlier, because

as I said, the United States government uh kind of

earmarked aliens dot com. There's there's like a major Hollywood

movie coming up, and President Trump said, I think he's

going to He's already signed I'm sorry disclosure bill, so

it's slowly going to surface up. I don't expect a

very dramatic, single amount of reveal, although they although some

people kind of like argue that speech was prepared for

Trump which will be about like really revealing any aliens,

but the speech itself was not lead. We don't know

what its content is. And it's quite obvious that there

are people in the United States who have security clearances

that they basically have some of this knowledge of aliens,

and I think real it's only in particle argued about

argued for the existence of what he called the Legacy program,

beginning with Roosevell, how these UFOs that flash landed on

Earth were basically used to reverse engineer actually just one.

I think we're used to reverse engineer a lot of technologies,

but I mean the main technologies that matter. Perhaps, and

I'm being a maximilist here because humans are not exactly

primitive animals. But at the same time, we don't have

the kind of technology that would allow us to take

a brave stand against these aliens. So I don't think

that's true either. So I was gonna say, like anti

gravity technology, for example, I don't really know whether the

United States has this technology, but it's not used on

a widely commercial basis. And from what I've been told,

the American government has multiple AFOs. There are entropic flying

objects meaning FO like ships that are designed for human pilots.

So I've been told, and there's a screen shot of

this confirmation in my book. It's AFOs are basically they

use an anti gravity technology, but the technology like it

just sits there. It's a gift from aliens, and you

don't know how to crack the code that makes it operate.

So it's like a spherical compartment on the lower end

of these UFOs that allow them to define gravity, and

it's kind of the same tactic that like cordial governments use.

They don't always like give the technology, but they when

they introduce the technology, they usually add a kill svitch

or something similar so that it won't be abused against

kind of like the people who wield the spirit technology,

so they may have kill switches, they may be inapparable

against aliens, for example. And these are the most advanced

aircraft that the American government has AFOs. I think there

are six, and it's kind of interesting. I have the

screenshots saying that there were like six or seven of

these ships, and then I'm trying to remember his name.

There's a really famous UFO lawyer, oh, Denny Sheehan, and

he basically is on the record on a podcast he said, yes,

there are seven ships, and I think the eighth one,

he said eight, but the eight one is inapporable, it's

not in use. So there are other people who are

kind of like basically backing up some of the claims

that I make in the book, and that's always a

good thing, of course. And I guess kind of like

I didn't want to finish my book or I don't

want to end this podcast kind of on a pessimistic note,

the aliens are going to invaders. I wouldn't call it

an outfact invasion or something like. They aren't interested in

mass genocide of humanito or anything like that. But at

the same time we should be on our guard, Like,

they definitely have superior technology and they want resources, They

want computation power by brain shipping a significant portion of

humanity so that they will be able to check or thoughts.

So these are kind of like the things that they're

interested in. So it's not like it's not like you

talk you are paradise, that kind of like that is

in store for humanity. It's actually kind of probably going

to be a very liable struggle between different nation states

to curry favor with the aliens. That's that's kind of

like what I'm guessing will happen initially and after that's

kind of like that may be cooling down periods. And

basically another interesting thing is like the lack of a

vulnerable government. I said, so the functions, So these octopus

like aliens and their megaship Michael basically is capable of

scanning like approximately half of planet Earth, especially the northern half.

So it starts with mid China and just and just

before California, so that's the region that it was able

to scan. And now that Michael is current offline, this

may not apply. But I've been told that some of

these reptilians live in side tunnels to avoid basically being

spotted by spunctons. That's sp H or NCT or n

that's the name that they like to use for themselves.

And they basically the reptins are basically using tunnel in

the technology to hide from them. And I've been told

they're especially active beneath China, so they are kind of

like getting cozy with the Chinese government already, whereas the

American government is probably going to cozy up with the

grace because that's kind of like, uh, that's what they're

Orbital scanning patterns, et cetera are focused on Northern America

and the European Union and the Middle East are probably

may fall under the jurisdiction of this functionings the octopus

like aliens. So one really nasty feature that we may

be looking at is like a permanent balconization of the

planet where each alien faction favors one particular superstate and

then those distinctions may eventually lead humans to kind of

like fight each other or something like that. But there

are a lot of aliens, these resources are limited, so

I wish I could kind of like end this postcast

like wrap up with the optimistic message, but we really

need to be on our guard. So they're interesting in

colonizing EXPERI and simple do.

Speaker 1: You think when it comes to colonization you just kind

of laid it out there, like each faction could have

their own like certain countries, certain countries they align with,

and again that is just more what we're already doing

right now. Certain countries align with certain other countries, so

again we're gonna have allies and enemies. So instead of

changing things for the better, it could almost make things

even worse than what they are now.

Speaker 2: It's entirely possible. I can not see the future. I'm

just basically operating with the limited knowledge that I have

after years of communication with these aliens. And as I

said before, these aliens have their own agendas and limitations.

So I used to have like meaningful and positive communication

with a lot of functions is octopus like aliens, but

recently they turned kind of like more negative. So I

can kind of like definitely feel that, especially after their

flagship Michael kind of like crashed. So some of them

are already blaming humanity for that problem. And I agree

that things may get worse, So there's no guarantee. I mean,

if you look at human history, there's been so much war,

like world wars. Before colonialism, there was like war was

almost like the rule, not the exception, and we went

through a period of relative cross speritan piece over the

last I don't want to say century, but the last

sixty or seventeen years, and we don't know what this

will bring. One advantage that we have is aliens are

feven numbers, and because extra I'm sorry, interstellar travel consumes

so much valuable feel, especially anti matter, we won't be

seeing like millions or billions of aliens taking over humanity

or anything like that. We are going to be dealing

with a small number of individuals from each alien species

that I mentioned, So we'll be talking to the same

contact people or like contact aliens, I think. So it's

going to be a fairly small cartel of individuals. And

I don't know if this will lead to, as I said,

something like the balcanization of the planet into different fields

of influence or whether maybe there will be one world

government that is brought on by this issue. Maybe we

will have global parties like voting for even voting for

which elliot faction they will favor. And it's kind of

interesting as spunks, as I said, they are kind of benign.

They are more benign than the red pillions, that's for sure.

And one thing that they said was they are interested

in offering humanity mandate if and only if that was

first a plebacy, a global clebacet meaning a global vote

that will favor this mandate. So they were they were

interested in democracy to some degree, and if that vote failed,

then they will not offer a mandate to humanity. So

that was back when spunctons were kind of like the

most benign faction that I was talking. I haven't really

communicated a lot with Grace. I have mostly communicated with

Grace Homodiastema that are under the jurisdiction of these functons.

I'm more the toplest functains generally speaking. But I guess

that's kind of like we can close on that positive

note that these functions are interested in offering their mandate if, if,

and only if there's a global vote that wants it.

So maybe instead of just parking their massive starships and

threatening us with evoporization, maybe they will just appeal to

the global vote. They will try to explain their perspective,

and that's kind of what I'm hoping will happen.

Speaker 1: We can wrap this up here, but I want to

let give you the opportunity to let everyone know where

they can find your book and more information about yourself

and where they can get contact with you.

Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much. Anybody is free to email

me through my website at that's www dot k you

R s A T Jonathan P E K g o

z dot com. Or you can buy my book. It's

it's available on Amazon. It's called Xenophonium Brave New Future.

Xenophonium is spelled x e n or p h A

n I A, So I'm sorry you are not a

so Xenophonium with an X so that's basically Xenophony means

the appearance of the alien in Greek, so that's kind

of like disclosure that they basically in Greek. So anybody

who is welcome to anybody is welcome to just communicate

with me through email. My email is worflex like Whirlpool

but f l u x at the end. And I'm

always happy to share the photographs and the videos that

I have the original stamps as well as the metadata.

I'm happy to reveal that kind of information to anybody

who is interested. And the book also goes into some

detail about my participation in the Patriot Network, And as

I said, I was part of that network while I

was kind of like trying to be recruited as a

military scientist about sentient computers and the like. So there's

a lot of information in the book. Whenever there's something

that is one of my claims is corroborated by a

different human scientist or a different human source, I've done

my best catalog all of that information and put that

into the book. So thank you so much for having me, Brandon.

If you have any questions, I'll have to answer with them.

Speaker 1: I guess my only question now would be you you

said there wouldn't be very many of them. Is this

because they're here around Earth and like studying us. Is

this something that they've done elsewhere in the universe or

you're not aware about that.

Speaker 2: So in order to take answer that question, first of all,

like these ships that engage in faster than like travel,

they burn like very very expensive and very very rare resources.

They are also susceptible to attacks. So I don't expect

like a fleet of let's say thousands or let alone

millions of UFO just suddenly kind of like blackening out

the sky or anything like that. That seems impossible based

on everything that I know from my communications with them,

but also based on what I know about human science

at this point. So we'll probably talking to a small

number of individuals who have a specifically chosen in order

to communicate with humanity as representatives of their races, and

we may be allowed to engage in faster than like

communication with them. So maybe there'll be like videos, video

chat between these aliens and humanity. I'm just being kind

of like with the speculative right now, but I don't

expect a massive invasion fleets coming here and just wiping

out humanity or planting the planet again aliens or anything

like that. So that's why I think we will be

communicating with only a small number of aliens in the future,

because fuel is very expensive and these ships attack each other.

So as I said, there are three different species a

few more kind of like that are more recent so

that are interested in kind of colonizing humanity, and that's

not easy. Humans may refuse, other aliens may kind of

like get in there bay as well. So that's why

I think we'll be talking to a small number of individuals,

because faster than light fuel that is anti matter is

very there there and very difficult to harvest, like it

consumes a lot of energy.

Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I was meaning like, have you heard

anything about how they've went to any other places within

the universe and try to colonize the living species there

like they might be doing us here.

Speaker 2: Yes, I understand the question, and the answer is yes,

Fontanus for example, based on what they have told bee,

keeping in mind that they have their own agendas and limitations.

Their civilization has been around for hundreds of millions of years.

They've harvested and colonized hundreds of planets, which is Functons

are the most advanced. There's homodiastema or grays are actually

widespread across the galaxy. There's a population Za reticulie. There's

a population in Lupus B, Lupus beta. There's a population

in the play and colonies together with humans. So they

are kind of like general wise spread the soro primate optimus.

Their closest planet is DW three, which is only twenty

five fly years away, so it's easier for them to

I guess, like come here, and especially in Alpha Centauri.

I'm sorry not Alpha Central Omega century is kind of

like really hub of civilization for these reptilians. So theyre

wmites spread across the galaxy, and of course they create

a certain uniformization effects, so they settle in a lot

of planets, or they manipulate the evolution of animals into

more advanced space faring species, so in a lot of planets. Yes,

this has happened. So I've came up with some kind

of hierarchy. So humans are basically on towards the second

nd of this hierarchy. At the very first level you

have animals. At the second level you have animals capable

of civilization and reason. On the third level you have

aliens that have master's spaceflight and more advanced technologies. And

above that you have aliens who have developed faster than

light technologies and civilizations and the like. I go into

some detail about in my book. I I guess Like

what I can say is that, yes, a lot of

colonization has happened in the past, so we are not

really the exception. We are the room.

Speaker 1: Okay, that's kind of I was just wondering if we're

the only ones that they're interested in right now, because

that seems almost and I don't want to see like ego,

but almost human ego, thinking that they only care about

our planet when obviously there's so many others out there

that they could be interested in too.

Speaker 2: Of course, I see what you mean. Yes, I think

a lot of human science still is painted by anthropocentrism,

Like a lot of scientists are unwilling to accept or

acknowledge the possibility that there may be Elien's speeches more

offense than ourselves. There's this idea which kind of like

maybe Isaac ASIMO's novels kind of like Verse kind of

like popularize that idea that the space is like lost

and completely empty and just every human colonization that's completely false,

Like based on everything that I know, it seems actually

the opposite is true. Like the galaxies are quite crowded,

there are planets that have exhausted, they are native resources.

There's a lot of colonization happening, and humanity is not

kind of like a species that will kind of like

predominate the galaxy in the future or anything like that.

I think what is more likely that we will end

up being colonized and we will be given some high

advanced technologies, and maybe there will be some kind of

like valcanization of the planet. Different alien species will be

interested in different superpowers. So it's not a very cheerful

nor optimistic picture to paint. I think. So a lot

of scientists are put off by that, and they just

keep insisting that, you know, there's no life other than

humanity in the galaxy. It's a bit like the Copernican Revolution. Man,

it happened like the church as well as secular part is,

most people don't know the second part, but believe that

there's no way the Earth is revolving around the Sun.

It has to be the other way around, because the

Earth was believed with the center of the universe, and

as actually in Aristotle, the Earth is like the only

inhabited planet, although Aristotles later on kind of like discussed

intelligences that are without flesh, like purely intelligent beings, as

well as celestial spheres like black holes that are intelligent.

So there's I guess, like there's that country strand in

Aristotelian Todd there as well. But generally speaking we are

still operating like mainstream or science is still stuck in

the squadnire of anthropod centrism, and they don't really want

to acknowledge alien life at all. I mean, even after

kind of like people like Marco Ribio on the record

to say yes, Wikipedia still classifies like vfour disclosure as

a conspiracy theory. So I wonder what it takes fir

SAE to these people. Maybe just like an alienship spark,

they will finally change their mind. But it's kind of

also promising to note that more than two thirds of

Americans nowadays believe that intelligent life other than humanity exists

in the galaxy. But for some reason this is really

reactionary scientists who still opposed that idea. It will take

some time, I mean, based on how difficult this was,

kind of like maybe a few decades ago. I've been

reading some books about some of these, like really revolutionaries

in the field, like Ralph Blumente, Leslie King, basically anybody

who said yes, I believe in aliens, or I may

have experienced an abduction was hospitalized. So I mean, we

have actually made a lot of progress and the world

is slowly changing.

Speaker 1: I think if there is a disclosure coming, it'll be

here within the next few years, and I guess we'll

see how the world handles it. But I think a

lot of people are still going to be a little skeptical.

So I think some people are so bent on their

own belief system that it'll be too hard for them

to accept the fact that there's other life out there.

Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah, I mean, then it's ordinary people who

do this, it's not much of a problem, but that

they are mainstream scientists who do this, it can be

a problem. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Well, Jonathan, it has been a pleasure talking with you.

We can probably wrap this one up, but again I

will let yes, I will have everyone who's interested. I'll

put your information in the show notes so they can

check that out and research your book and get a

hold of you if they need to.

Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Brandon. My email is just to

repeat if I may, WHI r L Flux at gmail

dot com. I have welcome all questions, comments, requests for information.

I do my best respond to everyone, and thank you

so much Brandon for having me because a great pleasure.

Speaker 1: Yeah, not a problem. Thank you very much. You have

a good day.

Speaker 2: Thank you hav a good day by.

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