Ep. 258: Lucifer's Flat Earth

In this episode of Tinfoil Tales, Brandon is joined by Dylan, a longtime broadcaster and author of Lucifer’s Flat Earth, for a deep and controversial conversation that challenges mainstream understanding of reality, science, and belief systems.

Dylan shares how his journey into the flat earth topic began in 2015 as an attempt to disprove it, only to find himself questioning long-held assumptions about space, science, and the nature of the world. What started as a focused investigation quickly expanded into a much broader exploration of topics including transhumanism, religion, hidden power structures, and the possibility of intentional deception on a global scale.

Throughout the discussion, Dylan explains his perspective on the flat earth model, including the concept of a contained system, the Antarctic ice wall, and the idea of a firmament or dome enclosing the world. He also explores why such a truth—if real—would be hidden, suggesting that revealing it could fundamentally change how people view purpose, creation, and their place in the universe.

The conversation dives into a wide range of interconnected topics, including:

• The origins and rapid rise of modern flat earth beliefs
• NASA, space exploration, and the idea of controlled narratives
• The Antarctic Treaty and restricted exploration
• Transhumanism and the merging of man with machine
• The concept of the “mark of the beast” and digital control systems
• Religious interpretations involving Lucifer, God, and divine duality
• The possibility of interdimensional beings versus extraterrestrials
• How fear, media, and societal pressure influence belief systems

Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.

Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

that turned me.

Speaker 1: Away the quickest.

Speaker 2: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

looked at us. And one of the things I remember

the most where the eyes were going red.

Speaker 1: I see an orb of light. It is just circling

these steps like it is waiting for me.

Speaker 2: And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.

Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about.

Speaker 2: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,

nose and the eyes.

Speaker 1: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,

I don't like death.

Speaker 2: Welcome back to Tin Foyle tells. I'm your host, Brandon

and I were joined by my guest Dylan. Dylan, thanks

for coming on here and talking with me.

Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Brandon, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2: Would you like to let the audience know a little

bit about yourself before we jump into it.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a thirty year background in broadcasting and

decided to write a book called Lucifer's Flat Earth and

because I knew nobody would listen to me, I decided

to give the most notable liar in the history of

creation the honor of narrating the book. So the book

is narrated by Lucifer and he is a proponent of

the flat Earth. But I've been doing radio pretty much

for thirty years, and writing this book has been a

real adventure, a lot of pushback, But as time goes on,

I'm enjoying the heat. So I'm ready to go when

you are.

Speaker 2: When you first come across the idea for flat Earth?

Was this something that you've come into being a flat

earth or believer in the last few years, or's it

been something that's progressed over the last ten to twenty years.

I feel like there's been an uptill recently.

Speaker 1: Yeah, there has been. Back in twenty fifteen, I was

doing a radio show on Republic Broadcasting Network and a

caller asked me if I ever heard of the flat Earth,

and I said, yeah, of course I have. It's ridiculous,

and he said, why don't you do your own investigative

work before you jump to any kind of judgment. So

what I promised the audience is I'm going to do

a deep dive, and this is in twenty fifteen. I'm

going to do a deep dive on flat Earth to

disprove it, and every night I will update you. And

what happened was over a period of three months, I

started giving percentages. When I first got into it, it

was ninety ten. You know, I was open to the idea.

But after about three months, I was fifty one forty nine,

and one night it flipped fifty one forty nine in

favor of flat Earth, and I started talking about the

journey from becoming a believer and the previous fifty eight

years of my life as a non believer. But this

journey of flat Earth has opened my eyes to so

many things, including what's going on right now in the world,

what happened in twenty twenty with the COVID shots, and

where all of this is going with transhumanism, alchemy, divine duality.

There were so many subjects that opened up because of

flat Earth. When I wrote the book, Initially, I was

just going to write about that subject, but all of

a sudden, I'm talking about alchemy, Freemasonry, the Third Temple,

third War, transhumanism, man with machine, elon Musk, all of

these other subjects became part of the germination that originated

with flat Earth. So from flat Earth the book expanded

into a multi bascid subject matter. And it's been a

trip I've really enjoyed the last eleven years, despite all

the pushback i've been.

Speaker 2: It is one thing that you will encounter. I figure

that out when you start to do things that kind

of rock the boat for people, you get a lot

of criticisms. You get a lot of green people saying

you're crazy, and all sorts of topics that you mentioned

the people that they've refused to believe in, and some

are so dug in even if you present facts or

proof there still won't accepted.

Speaker 1: It's true. I'm in the process right now of selling

my house and I had a woman who was very interested.

She had her husband come over for a second visit.

He walks into my house and this is a week ago,

and he had a Blue Origin T shirt on, which

of course is Jeff Bezos Space program. Well, he walks

into my office and I've got a flat Earth map.

I'm a cater map And they didn't call back after that,

so I think flat Earth has actually cost me the

sale of my house. But again, it's just one of

those incidental moments where you go, are you willing to

pay the price? Are you willing to be ridiculed, mocked

or a belief that you believe is true? And really,

when you think about it, when you go way down

the rabbit hole, I can't think of a subject matter

besides flat Earth that has such a visceral reaction from people.

People go out of their mind when you mentioned the

F word.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had that happen. I used to be the

same way. To be honest, like I I'm kind of

on the fence about a lot of stuff because I

don't really lean one way or the other because I

don't believe everything they say about space because it doesn't

Just because it doesn't make sense to me doesn't mean

it's not true. But at the same time, when you

look into flatters stuff, a lot of that stuff makes

more sense to me than their explanation for space. So

it's like I'm not trying to say I'm a flatter,

They're not trying to say I'm a globe card like

they get called or whatever. But at the same time,

it's like I don't it's hard to wrap my brain

around the process of why we're being kept in the

darkness of everything, like if we really are on a

flat plane of existence, and what is the point of

keeping it all a secret? And at the same time,

it's like how many people are involved in the cover up?

It just seems kind of crazy.

Speaker 1: And the truth is not many. Take NASA for example,

I say that NASA is the largest film studio in

the world. They're not a space program, They're a film studio.

And there was even a movie a couple of years ago,

fly Me to the Moon Starling Scarlett Johansson, a mainstream

movie where the plot was, let's come up with a

backup plan in case we don't get to the moon.

Let's film it on a sound stage, just in case.

It was all about the space race with the Russians

and Kennedy saying we would land on the Moon before

the end of the decade. But that is the question,

how could so many people be in on the conspiracy?

And the answer is you don't have to have a

lot of people. There were only twelve astronauts that landed

quote unquote on the Moon. They're in on it. The

people that live on the top floor of the NASA

skyscraper are in on it, and that's about it. Everything

else is a good part metalized. I believe most of

the people that work in NASA honestly believe that the

Earth is round and that they're doing a good job.

And really they're just doing a particular job. Some might

work on the helium or the hydrogen, or the space

capsule or the parachutes, but it's all compartmentalized. No one

has an overall view of what's happening, and because of

that they can keep this lie going. And it's the

same thing with the world. You know, if you believe

in the Illuminati, and that basically the Rothschilds and the

Rockefellas set a lot of this in motion, and that

perhaps even these people that run the world are reptilian.

There's people like David Ike that believe that. But I

do agree with all of these people in that there's

very few people in on it. For example, the Antarctic Treaty,

which was initiated back in nineteen fifty eight, all of

the nations agreed not to go to Antarctica. How is

it that that treaty is still in effect but we

can't even unwine the Gulf.

Speaker 2: Of Hormuz, right, that's a Now there's been people I've

brought this up before, that you can't go to Antarctica,

and I've gotten argued with by other people saying that

yes you can. You can take trips down there, you

can pay money to go on a tour down there,

but they don't actually let you get off and explore

the continent. They take you on a specific route and

you can see certain things, but that you don't have

free rain to just roam around Antarctica.

Speaker 1: No, you don't. You can go on the coastline, but

you can't go into the interior. As a matter of fact,

I've got a little thing here. I've got the book

pulled up. Since we're just doing sound i can access

the book. You know, there's a couple of really bizarre

arts to this Antarctic Treaty, and one of them is

the climate. For example, if we live on a ball,

you would assume that the climate and the Arctic and

the Antarctic would be similar one in fact, it isn't.

If you go up to Alaska, and I've been up

there in the summer, you go to Fairbanks, they're growing

vegetables at the same latitude in the southern hemisphere, it's

much colder, and it's very rare that temperature gets above

zero Antarctica. If the Earth was actually a ball, you

would assume that both of the climates are similar, but

they're actually quite diverse. And then if you really pulled

back the veil and you talk about Admiral Bird and

his adventures, he actually explored inner Antarctica, and his diary,

which came out after his death by his son, talks

about flying about seven hundred miles past the ice wall

and it actually started to get warmer and he actually

went into the Earth. I also believe that the Earth

is not only flat, but that it's hollow, and that

there's a second Sun in it. So you have all

these organizations. You have the International Marine Organization, World Meteorological Organization,

International Civic Aviation, the Air Map of the World, all

of them in the United Nations all display a flat

Earth map. And then the un their map is divided

into thirty three free Masonic sections. So as a flat Earther,

we believe that the South Pole doesn't exist, that the

continent of Antarctica does have a distinct interior frozen border

well over two hundred feet in high that's the ice wall,

and the reality is the round Earth, or say Antarctica

is eleven thousand miles, when in fact, if you look

at the Book of Enoch and the Secret Teachings of Enoch,

it's sixty thousand miles. So the flat Earth is a

lot bigger than the round Earth, which is twenty four

nine and one miles, and magnetic North Pole is at

the center of the flat Earth. The best way to

describe it is really like a pizza, and if you

look down on a pizza, you'll see the crust that's

the ice wall, and then the interior of the pizza

is where all the nations are. And then if you

put the pizza on the table, that's what's coming after

the ice wall. We don't know how far out it

goes and where the dome meets the flat Earth, but

we do know that if you try to go and

find out for yourself, they'll kill you.

Speaker 2: I don't know how to like say, like, when I

think about flat it's weird. Even when the shapes are

like we say, we're not on a sphere, but yet

the maps are usually still rounded. And then there's a

dome which would still give it like half of that

spherical appearance, So the dome portion of it, what would

actually be what is the dome of Because there's been

different people that I've spoken to, and they've all got

their own different opinions of what the actual dome is.

What do you think the dome is made out of?

Speaker 1: What I'm doing as well, I'm talking, I'm actually pulling

it up. I've got a little little feature on my

computer that allows me to pull up certain words. Okay,

and this is Lucifer talking. I'm just gonna read a

little bit from the book here, and he narrates Lucifer's

flatter Earth. This is what he says, allow me to

paint a picture of my earthly kingdom from above. The

flat earth resembles a frisbee with an exterior frosted edge.

Thirty five hundred miles above the surface is the sea

firmament dome, and that encloses the flat Earth. So what

you have is an enclosed system. And really the Truman

Show is in fact a good replica of what the

flat Earth looks like. And ironically, the gentleman who played

Christoff was the god of the flat Earth. Forget his

last name, Harris at Harris, Yeah, at Harris. But the

dome itself, there's a thing called Libyan silica glass. Have

you ever heard of this?

Speaker 2: I know it silica glasses, but I'm not the other

part too it.

Speaker 1: Yeah, some people believe that's what the dome was made of.

You had Operation I Jump, where Admiral Bird climbed the

two hundred foot ice wall to explore interior Antarctica. And

then you have a Project Dominic where they were shooting

missiles at the dome and they couldn't penetrate it. They

were actually trying to crack it. And apparently it is

comprised of some sort of translucent material that is not

necessarily found on Earth, but is impenetrable. And this material

is in the shape of like when you have a

turkey served. You know that dome. But if you consider

that the Antarctic ice wall is sixty thousand miles in circumference,

and then you put all of the continents within that arena,

and then you extend out, probably you're looking at at

least one thousand miles in all directions from the ice

wall before you might even encounter the firmament. And then

the question is how far does the Earth go after that,

because we're in this terrarium. But that's not the end

of it. There's something on the other side of that wall.

What is it? Other nations, other worlds. We don't know

because we're not allowed to go there.

Speaker 2: What do you believe made all of this?

Speaker 1: As in?

Speaker 2: Obviously you wrote the book from Lucifer's perspective, but it

seems like it was done by design. Obviously, if there's

a wall to keep us in here, it's been something

that was designed for a reason. And I know a

lot of flat Earthers kind of go with the biblical

aspect to it, but I've also heard other ones claim

it's part of the simulation.

Speaker 1: Well, I look at it from a Christian point of

view because I am a Christian and a Biblical point

of view, but I also understand the simulation point of view.

I think it is June twelfth that Spielberg's movie comes

out Disclosure Day. If it was actually revealed that we're

not alone, I think there would be chaos. And let's

say you woke up one morning and they could affirm

that the Earth was flat. The first thing is going

to happen is the stock market is going to crash,

there will be pandemonium. A lot of people will just

melt down. And also you'll see a lot of people

heading towards the edge, heading towards Antarctica, wanting to find

where the dome intercepts the Earth. And the reason that

I believe they're keeping this a secret is what you said,

and it's two words, intelligent design. If people discover that

the Earth is flat, the first thing they're going to

say is that's intelligent design. And then they might go

down the road of a simulation. But a lot of

people go down the road pursuing God. And if people

pursue God and they're firm and they're secure in their

relationship with God, then they can't be manipulated by the world.

Right now, the world holds all of us in fear.

You know, not to get political, but you know who

gave his forty eight hour notice, or you know he

was going to destroy all the power grids in Tehran.

We live in a world where there's so much fear,

and this world has no purpose, it has no meaning.

And I actually covered that in the introduction of the

book and also in the very last page of the book.

If you don't mind I'd like to just read a paragraph,

and it kind of answers your question, because he can

do it a lot better than I can. It's believe

a spinning ball traveling through a black void of endless

space has produced a nihilistic, cynical society, the void of love,

obsessed with materialism and indifferent to God. The heliocentric theory

kills purpose while reinforcing a sense of hopelessness. However, the

geocentric theory is an revolutionary and possibility which cannot be intellectualized.

It's a revolutionary childlike belief, igniting the fuel of faith

into an unquenchable fire that cannot be quantified, into a

box of space and time that is the substance of God.

Belief in flat earth compels an atheist to admit and

acknowledge intelligent design created by an omnipotent being who controls

the unfathomable. And that's why they won't tell us. I

believe that's the number one reason.

Speaker 2: I think a lot of it has to do with that.

But then if they admit to that, and that they've

been lying to us this whole time, then their entire

means of control is also burn out. The window, and

I think a lot of it has to do with

keeping that power over people. Once that illusion is gone,

then they can't control us anymore, and they continue to

need us to do what they need us to do.

So if they're they're afraid that by being truthful, then

the whole scheme that they've done for centuries is lost.

Speaker 1: I live on the Space coast of Florida. I probably

live about forty miles from the launch pad of Artemis

Artemis to God, and if it was revealed that the

Earth was flat, this area would go into an instant depression.

So many people's jobs rely on the lie, and the

lie has to be perpetuated otherwise people lose their employment,

their wives leave them, and this area turns into a

dust bowl. Everything's based on a lie, but here on

the Space Coast of Florida, it's a lie plus one.

Speaker 2: Do you think there's ever going to come a time

to where more people are willing to accept this. I know,

like within the conspiracy realms and like this with people

I talk to, they're a lot more open minded to it.

But the average person, when you mentioned flat Earth, you're

still going to think you're crazy.

Speaker 1: There's two types of people, those that were born before

the Internet and those that were born after. Those that

were born after the Internet are more open to this

because they're more disillusioned. My generation, the Baby Boomers, we

hang on to our lives. You know, we watched Neil

Armstrong walk on the Moon. Walter Cronkite doesn't lie. There

are only three channels. But those born after the advent

of the Internet, especially Gen Z, are so disillusioned right now.

They know the American dream, you know, as George Carlin said,

they call it the American dream because you have to

be asleep to believe it is true, and that they

have no hope. They're completely disillusioned. So when someone mentions

flat earth, I think this generation Gen Z is more

open to it because they've got nothing left lose, as

opposed to my generation, which is entrenched in its lies

and comfortable in its lies and doesn't like to be

shaken up. So the answer to your question is yes,

the younger generation I believe will come in droves at

some point and believe in the flat earth. But my generation,

I think we're pretty well toasted.

Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned it that way, because, to be honest,

I feel like the younger generations are the ones that

are the harder ones to break through right now, because

they are so and I know it's by design, but

they don't have the I have children that are in

this generation, so I'm using them as the example, but

they don't have the mindset to actually look beyond whatever's

on their screen in front of their face. And everything

now is quick media, quick media, so they might be

onto the conspiracy parts with on TikTok or something like that,

but if it's not right in their face, right on

their phone screen or whatever, I feel like they don't

want to do the research in the way the schools

have taught them and everything lately, it's like it's almost

like a dumming of society.

Speaker 1: I agree. The book is under one hundred pages, and

I wrote it purposely under one hundred pages because I

knew that this generation doesn't have the attention span. And really,

you know, I'm thinking about maybe opening a TikTok account,

not YouTube, but a TikTok account and just do little

fifteen second snippets of flat Earth facts and do it

from Lucifer's point of view, because the only way this

generation is going to dial into this is to really

be shocked into it because very little shocks them, and

they're constantly on their phones. Hell, I'm on my phone

and I'm a boomer. We're all subject to it. But

I think the time is coming when they're going to go,

you know, everything is bs. Let me at least check

into it. I can check out some videos. Mark Sargent,

he's a proponent of flat earth and a lot of

people know him. Eric Dubay, there was a guy passed

on in twenty sixteen. There are a lot of guys

that are into flat earth and have YouTube channels. But

I think that's the point is coming when people are

going to lose all hope. And at that point, I

really think that's going to be when flat Earth is

going to shine, because it's going to be an attitude

of well, I've got nothing left to lose. Let me

go see if there's any channels on YouTube or TikTok

that are talking about this subject.

Speaker 2: The way the world's going here in the last couple

of years, I would not be surprised if something major

doesn't happen here in the next couple of years. I

know that they're talking about I actually just talked to

someone recently and mentioned that. And I don't know how

this will play out as far as this again, it's

where I kind of get hung up on it. But like,

how do they explain extraterrestrials on the flat Earth. Well,

the name actually says it. If you listen extra terrestrial,

like it would be like there's extra land. So maybe

the aliens themselves that we call aliens, are from space.

Maybe they're from on the other side of the firmament. Well,

I don't know if that's Well, I.

Speaker 1: Believe and I believe in aliens, but I believe they're

inner dimensional. They're not from outer space. You know, I

was mentioning earlier in the book, I'm not just talking

about flat Earth. I've got a chapter, chapter twelve, Project

Blue Beam and Disclosure, and I'll just read a little

bit on just a paragraph Project Blue. Project Blue Beam

is part of the Strong Delusion, where our creators, the

alien engineers, land on Earth and explain how they seated

the planet via transpermia thousands of years ago, only finally

to return and save us from self destruction while offering

the gift of eternal life. And Spermia a modern evolutionary

theory which postulates that life on Earth originated from micro

organisms of four chemical precursors of life present in outer

space and able to initiate life on reaching a suitable environment,

and then he says, quite the hoax. You know. I'm

sure you've seen the movie, the Ridley Scott movie Thank You.

I don't have the air conditioning onto my house and

I'm in Florida. The scene where the engineer meets the

originator of the whole project, that dialogue was cut out,

and apparently the engineers don't like us, but they're going

to come under the guise of solving all of our problems.

And I really think that's what the movie Disclosure Days about.

Speaker 2: From the looks of that and from what I've read

is I feel like there's already people here that are,

at least from the movie aspect, it looks like they're

already possibly aliens or somehow connected to that. Again, I've

only saw the trailer. I haven't done a whole lot

of research into it. I feel like I feel like

sometimes Hollywood tries to give you the nod and wink.

They make it as entertainment, but I also think that

they're letting us know that you know, there's some weird

stuff going on. I think John Carpenter's They Live was

very realistic to an extent.

Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I believe Spielberg is in on it.

By in on it, I mean he's part of the elite.

There's a couple of interesting moments in the trailer. One

guy says, there are seven and a half million people,

or rather there's seven billion people who need to know

the truth. Well, there's actually eight billion people on Earth.

So could it be that this movie takes place at

a time right after a billion people disappear? Could that

be the rapture? And then they cut to the nuns

and you have that elderly nun in front clutching her glasses.

And at the end of the trailer she does the

voice over and she says, why would God create such

a vast universe and leave it only for us? And

so they're opening the door not to interdimensional beings, but

extra dimensional from another world? Why is it so far

fetched to believe that? And what if they came during

a time of great upheaval, offered us free energy, a

life extension, and basically solved most of the problems that

mankind is facing right now. Who wouldn't sign up for

something like that. I feel like, look what happened during COVID.

Did it not shock you how everybody fell in line

so easily?

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a completely different topic for me. That is,

I mean, that's the whole reason this show exists is

because of all the sheepishness of society.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I went back to RBN. I did a show

there from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen, and then I

came back in twenty twenty and stayed for a couple

of years just to talk about the shot for two years,

trying to discourage people from getting it. But the way

people lined up without questioning, I think if an event

occurred and it was done properly, people would line up

again and get whatever shot is necessary to get a

life extension.

Speaker 2: For people that are into their rel like the Biblical things.

I've always thought this was odd that and you've mentioned

that too, like a race came down here and offered

as this technology or an extending of our life or whatever.

If people pay attention to the Bible like that is

actually kind of rootten out with like the Antichrist, like

they will come, he will arise, and you have to

take the mark of the Beast. I've often wondered its like,

obviously I'm not calling Elon must the anti Christ, but

he wants people to have neurolink. He wants people to

be hooked up to these machines and you got to

get that like thing. And they've talked about a world

currency where it's like a digital currency, you get the

little thing in your hand or whatever they were talking about.

Do they not realize that a lot of the stuff

that they're saying kind of goes into the whole anti

Christ aspect to things. I was like, so, anyone that's

actually against that, if you don't do it, you don't

take the mark of the Beast, then you don't have money.

You can't buy the good you do with one world government,

one world income. And I don't know, like going down

that rabbit hole makes me kind of question the way

society is moving.

Speaker 1: Well, let me read another little snippet from the book

Lucifer's Letter Earth, and this ties into what you're talking about. Now.

This is Lucifer speaking. Once someone worships the statue by

accepting the mark on their right hand or forehead, allegiance

is validated and the dormant operating system within humanity is activated,

free will is terminated, and the mind syncs up with

the beast hive mind follow the money. The Luciferian elite

need to create an all digital system with a central

bank crypto under the deception of giving the poor access

to bank accounts and easy payment systems. The entire world

currency system could be streamlined into a one world digital

currency pad to a crypto blockchain. When the world central

bankers shut down the all digital bank accounts, they'll introduce

of a crypto blockchain and a universal basic income, and

of course anticipation in the new system will be contingent

upon your compliance via acceptance of a social credit score.

Now the image merging crypto blockchain to an implantable mind ship,

and could it be that what would have would actually

happen in twenty twenty people were actually being injected with

something called graphene oxide, and perhaps it could be activated

by some sort of signal which would be contingent upon

your free will compliance into this new system.

Speaker 2: I've often wondered if the things that we don't get

injected with haven't been doing that for ages, not just

what in twenty twenty but and I'm not the anti

vaccination person or anything like that. Obviously I've had them

and my kids have had them, but it's I didn't

none of us would and got the COVID jabs. But

I've often wondered if that was actually something that they

were doing. Who really knows what they really are injecting

kids like it when my son was born. They give

you so many vaccinations right at birth, and like, who

the hell knows what they're actually putting in people?

Speaker 1: Well, and who the hell knows what we're all breathing.

I mean, we all breathe in those coemptrails. Maybe we

all have some kind of nanobot in us. I mean,

who knows. Let me read one little more snippet from this,

and this again is Lucifer talking one final vaccine containing

the DNA of the angels. Arch Angels merge with the

DNA of man, not just an insecure to a deadly pandem,

but an upgrade and intelligence and a life extension of at

least five hundred years. Once the Great Delusion is in motion,

these interdimensional dark angels good, ask the pope if you

could baptize them into the Babylonian Roman Catholic Church, where

Jesus Christ came to earth as a hybrid god man.

He carried the unique DNA construct, qualifying him to pay

for the wages of sin. Yet a third of the

angels rebelled against God. So what I'm saying is as

it was in the days of Noah. This is exactly

what we're seeing right now, the days of the Nephelum,

the days of hybrids, the days of chimeras. And I

believe that, you know, those Greek gods were not mythology,

they were reality. That's why I believe God flooded the

earth because the DNA got corrupted. You had dark angels

having sex with women and animals and creating all these hybrids,

and the whole earth was corrupted. And that's where we're

heading right now. Like you mentioned with Elon Musk, you know,

once you start messing with DNA, at some point you

no longer are made in the image of God, and

then you can be sent over to Satan.

Speaker 2: Kind of going back to with mentioning God and even

like in the simulation and they call him like the Creator.

I know people that consider it as if we are

like playing it here and this is our Roalm our world.

God would be the designer. He would be the creator,

which we call him the creator. So he created our world.

So if you look at it from that aspect, it's

like he was the programmer. He designed all this. He

made our world for us. But again, I even when

I talk to people that are into this whole simulation theory,

no one really has an idea as to why, Like,

no one has the great answer as to what this

is all about. Because even for me, it's like one

of those questions that's always going to be asked, is

like what's the point? Like what is the reason for

all of this? No one's gonna happen like the definitive answer.

But it's just one of these things.

Speaker 1: Even Paul the Apostle said, we look in the mirror

as a poor reflection. No one has a handle on this.

As I mentioned at the beginning, one of the reasons

I enjoy talking about flat Earth is that it opened

all these other doors. One of the one of the

doors it opened was gnosticism. I took a real deep

dive into Gnosticism in order to understand what's going on

right now. You have to understand what gnostics believe Gnostics

believe in what it's called divine duality. They believe there

are two gods, Lucifer and God and the Demiurge we

call in the Ancients of days, they call him the Demiurge,

and that actually the god of the Bible, the Ancient

of days. The Demiurge was created by Sophia by mistake,

and he created the physical world. He took what was

invisible and made it visible. That's one area where Luciferians

and Christians agree. But what they believe that we don't

is that Lucifer came down to Earth as the light bearer.

And if you look at Rockefeller's Center, predominantly in front

of it is Prometheus, which is another name for Lucifer,

and you see that he has a light in his hand,

a torch. So Lucifer came to earth to enlighten man,

to give man eternal life. And the Demiurge, who is

a jealous, scornful Basically, if they made Donald Trump a god,

that's what he would be. The Demiurge. He wants all

of the attention. He's a narcissist, he hates man, and

Lucifer came to free us from the chains of the

Demiurge and to give us eternal life. And when you

understand that gnostic tenant, then everything begins to make sense.

Free Masonry makes sense, Mormonism makes sense, the Illuminati, skull

and Bones, all of it points to one thing, Lucifer

coming down to Earth, giving man eternal life and man

becoming a god like Lucifer. And in Revelation nineteen nineteen,

when Jesus Christ comes down during the Second Coming, Lucifer

gathers the armies of Earth to prevent the Demiurge from

taking over. There was a guy named Russ Disdar. He

wrote The Black of Awakening and he references that scripture.

He believes and I also believe right now that Lucifer

Satan is building his kingdom of Nephalim and an army

that is actually going to fight against Jesus Christ when

he comes back during the Second Coming. But part of

that is Lucifer bestowing us with eternal life. And that

goes right back to the Garden of Eden when Lucifer

said to Eve, God doesn't want you to eat from

the apple because then you'll be like God. So nothing

has really changed, but the dynamics and the endgame has

gotten much bigger and will be much more dramatic on

a world stage.

Speaker 2: My biggest question when it came to religion was if

God was the ultimate creator and he created the angels,

and he knows what we're all going to do, and

he knew everything that was going to happen beforehand. He

knew at one point he was going to eat the apple,

and he also knew the angels were going to rebel

against him. So I never understood, like, from a religious standpoint,

why God created that in the first place. If he

knew that was going to happen, And that's.

Speaker 1: I on your question. He knew all that, and he

also knew that he would eventually come down as a

man and be tortured and murdered by his own creation.

And he also knew that even after all of that

and his word was proclaimed across the earth, that most

people would still reject him and only a remnant would

enter into his rest. So even after all of this,

only a small portion percentage of mankind is actually going

to enjoy eternal life. According to the Bible, it talks

about the gateway being narrow and few finding. So God

did all this knowing that the majority of the people

would still reject him, and yet he still did all

of this, including what you said.

Speaker 2: No, And depending on upon the religion aspect to it,

I think, isn't it the uh? There's so many different

denominations of Christianity. I think there's like forty something thousand

different denominations. But I know the only thing, like one

hundred and forty thousand Jehovah's witnesses go to heaven. Wouldn't

you think over time that they've already had that many.

Speaker 1: Actually talked to Jehovah. When this week ago, I was

at a supermarket called Winn Dixie and they were outside

and I said, explaining one hundred and forty four thousand

to me, because my understanding is it's twelve tribes of Israelites,

twelve thousand each that evangelize in the last days, and

I guess those are the only ones that go to heaven.

And she said, no, they just get a special place.

They go. What do you mean, well, they're special. They

they have a special place with God. So you don't

believe that God was actually Jesus Christ was actually God?

And they go, no, he was just a prophet. Okay,

it's very confusing once you get out of your wheelhouse.

And even the Bible, you know, it says that God

has to pull someone to him. When I was saved,

I was living in Los Angeles and I was smoking

a joint in a baptub and an earthquake hit. I

never went through an earthquake in my life, and I

went through my first one high Oh freaked out, and

I had this guy witnessing to me at a warehouse

I worked at, and so I gave my life to Christ.

I got filled with the spirit, and that I believe

was the result of God making himself known to me

before I pursued him. In other words, what I've seen

is that God pursues a person through the Holy Spirit,

and then that person responds. But you know, even in

the Bible, it says that Israel or the Jews have

a veil over their eyes in regards to Christ, and

that veil isn't going to be pulled off until the

end day. So there's so many things that God does

that makes absolutely no sense to us human beings. But

if it is true that this earth is flat, and

that he looks at the earth as his footstool, and

he's looking down right on us, and Heaven is a

lot closer. Then this is the center of the universe.

And a couple interesting things about flat Earth. There's two

immovable points in the universe. One is the flat Earth

and the other is Polaris, the North Pole. Every night,

all of the stars and the planets rotate around Polaris,

that one star. They've been doing that for thousands of years,

since the beginning of time, and it's the same circuit

every night. My question is, how can they do a

perfect circuit every night if the Earth is spinning at

one thousand miles an hour, while going around the Sun

at sixty six thousand miles an hour, while going upward

at four hundred and eighty six thousand miles an hour,

and the entire Milky Way expanding millions of miles per hour,

it doesn't make any sense because in the summertime, all

of those stars would be in a different position than

they were in the winter if we were actually traveling

around the Sun. But Polaris is probably the most damning

piece of evidence that the Earth is flat, because everything

revolves around Polaris in the exact same orbit every single

night for thousands of years.

Speaker 2: I also don't understand how they they make us think

that when we see these stars and there's so many

light years away and that's just within our galaxy. And

then I on they talk about like the Andromeda galaxy

and all these other different galaxies, and it's like an

infinite number of possibilities because what we see as a

star could just be another galaxy with billions of other stars,

and it'd be billions of other planets, and like it

just it doesn't stop. And the endlessness of space just

seems so far fetched that it's almost by like, in

my opinion, it's designed to make it sound like we're

in We don't We're not important, you know what I mean.

Like it's to make us sound in fear, like we're

just so minuscule on the grand scheme of things.

Speaker 1: One of the judgments Jesus talks about is the stars

will fall from the sky. How the world and all

of the stars fall from the sky onto planet Earth

When these balls of fire are so much bigger than

the Earth, It doesn't make any sense. And you know,

the biggest pushback I get is actually from Christians, not atheists.

Even in Genesis, right out of the gate chapter one,

it says he divided the water from above in the

water below, and Psalm nineteen talks about a firmament. So,

if you believe the Bible, in the Book of Enoch,

which I do, and the secret teachings of the Book

of Enoch and the Book of Jasher, there's an ocean

above us, and it's on the other side of the dome.

And there aren't three heavens. According to the Book of Enoch,

there's ten, ten different dimensions. But I believe in string theory,

even as a Christian. And God himself said He's the Word,

and that he created the visible from the invisible, and

that he spoke it. I had my I had a

cataract taken out last Friday, and I can see great

and I asked them how they do it, and he

said sound. I thought they used lasers. No, for cataract surgery,

they use sound. They break up the cataract like a jackhammer,

and then they suck it out and then they put

in another lens. But getting back to how God created

this place, everything was created by sound, and that gets

back to Tesla. There was an amazing video that came

out about ten years ago, and I can't remember the

gentleman's name. But he did this experiment where he showed

that matter responds to sound, and I think the word

is so I'll try and pull it up during the

course of our conversation. But everything revolves around sound, and

God actually created everything by speaking it into existence.

Speaker 2: A lot of science and everything says that we're all

frequency and vibration. Well, frequencies and vibration are usually sound.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big proponent of science. I think science

is great. What I don't like is when they lie.

Speaker 2: I wonder if sometimes the science people that are telling

the lies actually know that they're lying. I think a

lot of them are honestly being honest about it. I

don't think everyone is being deceitful, but I don't think

they know any different.

Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, Like I said, with NASA, most people

that work in NASA believe the Earth is round, and

they just go and do their job. Yeah, most people

are honest and their belief.

Speaker 2: Here's something that I've always kind of wandered, and I

don't know if it's ever really I know, like the

idea of satellites for like a flat Earth, or like

they how they orbit around or whatever. But when you

have like direct TV or you have any of these

dish things. They're always stationed in one position. But if

we are constantly moving and the satellites are also rotating

around us, how come they can pick up the same

signal in the same exact location. Or they're saying that

we're interlocked with our rotational pulse so they never move,

which doesn't make sense becausef you ever watch the videos

of what they're claiming satellites are doing, they're not interlocked.

They're always rotating around us faster than we're rotating.

Speaker 1: Okay, and again I'll read from the book everything is

to scale. Satellites are in close proximity to the flat Earth.

Satellites are positioned in low or low Earth orbit below

the dome. Everything is low low Earth orbit. And you

know who the largest consumer of helium is on the

flat Earth. It's NASA, because there are satellites, but they're

helium balloons which are holding them up. Now you might

ask the question about SpaceX, Well, how does that work

with that? Then we get into the ether and we

get into tesla because ether is lighter than air, and

so when you get to a certain altitude, you do

float and you can put objects in that arena in

the ether, and it will stay aloft. I mean, think

about this, twenty five thousand satellites, three hundred and seventy

thousand pieces of junk haven't melted or crushed while orbiting

the ball Earth as they're all going twenty two thousand

miles an hour. It's crazy. And even the words satellite,

I believe there was Arthur C. Clark who invented the word.

And as far as your telephone, everything is land based.

When you make a telephone call to Europe, it's actually

going through the cables under the ocean and there are

no satellite it's at twenty two thousand miles up. Let's

work that way. I've got a little go here from

the first chapter. Let me see if I can pull

it up. It talked a little bit about triangulation. Oh

you know what, I know, I'm all over the road,

but I found the word. It's called sauno luminescence SnO luminescence.

That is the emission of light from imploding bubbles in

a liquid stimulated by sound. Sound through vibrations creates light.

Would you say that again? Sonoluminescence the emission of light

from imploding bubbles in a liquid, when stimulated by sound

through vibrations, creates light. These are short bursts of light

emitting imploding bubbles through a liquid with an intense acoustic frequency,

and when displaced in water, the sound waves create heat

in the form of light. I know that's heavy, but

I spent like two years writing the book. A lot

of it sout there. Man.

Speaker 2: When we talk about certain topics, it makes me wonder why,

I mean, from the get go, and this is obviously

I answer again that no one really knows. But like

from the very get go of the thing, where did

it start to be the lie? Like who started it?

Who wanted to keep it going that way? And there's

certain things I can't talk about because then it automatically

gets me flagged for being against a certain type of people.

But oh yeah, there's a lot of things that stimulate

from that. And even if you go back into the

original Bible version, like they are God's people. But that's

where a lot of conspiracies kind of circulate around. And

I'm not.

Speaker 1: The latest Pandora's box that I've opened. And we can

talk about it. We'll just speak to it. We'll speak

about it in code I don't necessarily believe those people

are actually the actual residents of that land. That the

original people are still dispersed across the world and they're

more known as Ashkenazi's and that was all result of

the Balford Agreement and the Rothschilds and all of that.

So that might be the final piece that actually they're

not who we think they are. It was that vague enough.

Speaker 2: Now I've had episodes before it and got flagged in

a Again, I feel like that's by design, because now

anytime someone questions any of the status quo, you're automatically

getting flagged or labeled a certain type of hate. And

it has nothing to that because I don't think it's

every single person of that, but I think there's people

in certain positions all around the world that have some

sort of a background with it.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and remember, from a Christian point of view, certain

events have to take place, so even these people who

appear to be running the world are not necessarily making

these decisions. I do believe that at some point there

will be a third Temple, only because it says the

Antichrist will rule from that temple for forty two months,

so in order for him to rule, he has to

have that temple. But all of the other side issues

seem to be coming delight and ironically, with this disagreement

going on right now in Iran, it's even shocking to

me how many people seem to be taking the side

of Iran on this. There is a behavior.

Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a lot of stuff that I've found

interesting in the sense that there's a lot of people

that are not real thrilled with these people anymore. And

obviously they're not really thrilled with the state of the

United States either, which that is neither here nor there.

But the whole thing to me, it screams like a

bad reality TV show is as bad as it sounds like.

I feel like every day that I wake up, I'm like,

what is going to happen next? Because it's like this

stupid show that we're all stuck watching and there's nothing

we can do about it, no want, and it's.

Speaker 1: Going to go where it's gonna go, and there's nothing

you can do about it.

Speaker 2: I want to change the channel, but it's on every

network right We're.

Speaker 1: All in our own little Truman show. I think the

difference between us and Jim Carry is Jim Carrey didn't

know he was in a show, that he was on

a sound stage, he was part of NASA until the

end of the movie. We know in the middle and

beginning of the movie that we are in the Truman Show.

But still there's nothing we can do about it. And

you know, from again from a Christian point of view,

I look at it as this place is not my home.

However I still have to live here. I still have

to you know, make money and eat and be part

of this world. Is very you know, I think the

hardest thing for a Christian is to be in the

world but not of it. I don't know how in

the world to do that. And every day it's a

struggle because, like you, I'll get up in the morning,

I'll do my doom scroll and I'll try not to

get irritated. You know, even with the latest you got

forty eight hours and that's it and now, okay, now we'reotiating.

It's like every day. You know, I'm a political atheist,

but the only good thing about the previous president was

that his mind was shot and he didn't do anything.

I mean, there were days when it was just quiet

with this guy. It's like every day it's drama and

you just want to break. It's like and I just

get up one day and have a normal day without

the world being on edge, And the answer is no,

not anymore.

Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Well, we've been going on for about an

hour and I figure we can get close to wrapping

this up. But before we do, is there anything else

that you would like to discuss before we end?

Speaker 1: Ith? The thing is your transhuman is I'm getting back to

Elon Musk. Really, what all of this comes down to,

I believe, is merging man with machine. I was watching

the video in the year twenty five, twenty five on

YouTube while I was working out today. It's so true.

Man wants to become a god, and I think at

some point he's going to be offered that opportunity. But

in exchange, he'll no longer be a man, and he'll

no longer be eligible for salvation, He'll no longer be

made in the image of God. And I think that's

where all of this is going to create a new man,

a transhuman where there is no government and the transhumanists

run this place, and that's where I think this is going.

So I guess that would be my closing comment.

Speaker 2: This is where I kind of come in with that

because it makes me I would never do it with

my own free will, but I have a feeling I

know how it's going to get parlaid to people, and

I see how it'll get in live manipulation. But they

claim that they can put this chip in there and

all of a sudden, people that have medical issues, like

some say that they're paralyzed, well they can now walk again.

They're going to promise all these great things that this

thing can do for people, and I see people falling

for it, and they're going to it could probably actually

maybe it does do what they claim it does. But

you're getting into that point to where you're no longer

a human because now you're being controlled by a machine.

And at one point, what happens when they decide that

they're going to take over that machine. Now you're completely

controlled by this little chip that's now programmed into you,

and now you're being reprogrammed to serve a different purpose.

Speaker 1: The number sixty sixty six is not the number of

the beasts. It is the number of man. Now six

six sixty six percent two thirds when Adam and Eve,

and this is what I believe Adam and Eve were

in the garden. They actually wore their spirit on the outside.

They were in perfect harmony with the creation and with

God before the fall. In other words, they could telepathically

communicate with God at any time they want. They were

a hole, they were one. After the fall, Man became

two thirds six six six. What Lucifer is going to promise,

and what the Antichrist is going to promise through transhumanism,

is that we'll give you that third strand of DNA.

Right now, man has two strands of DNA forty six chromosomes.

But the promise is we will give you that third

strand of DNA, which will give you eternal life, allow

you to communicate telepathically. You'll never get sick again, and

you will be one with Lucifer. That's the promise, and.

Speaker 2: Anyone that's a religious person should know not to do that.

But again, the even with the anti Christ in the

end of times, he will pull the wool over a

lot of people's eyes. And I've often wondered, and maybe

this will get me in trouble with certain people, But

the depictions that we have that are like mainstream of Christ,

obviously he's not going to look like the normal version

that we have been shown throughout our times, because he's

not going to look like a white person. Obviously, back

in those times, Jesus wouldn't have been a white man

like he's been depicted as at least that I'm aware

of through here. But if he is to come back

and start doing all the certain things, wouldn't you feel

like he would actually resemble what we know of as

Jesus to look like now, and he would people would

see the miracles that he's doing, and they'd actually believe

that he is the real Christ returned.

Speaker 1: In the Book of Isaiah, it prophesies what Christ would

look like, and it basically says he's a man, a

common man, of no particular beauty, that he is in

fact ugly, whereas the Antichrist is described as a man

of eloquence, articulation, and beauty. So the package they're going

to present, think of what it was like in twenty twenty,

and how many people fell for it over a hamburger

will maybe a hamburger if you get the jab. I

remember walking in Walmart and you had to walk a

certain way down the aisle. You had to put your

mask on. If they hit Americans where they live, which

is our wallet and the system, the petro dollar. It's destroyed.

And they come out and they say, we got to

get on blockchain. But in order to get on blockchain,

you're gonna have to physically get your body dialed in.

Right now, we have the Internet. What they're going to

build is what's called the Internet of Things, which is

where all the devices are connected like a smart refrigerator.

The final step is the Internet of bodies. This is

where they connect your body to the Internet. Not only

will all things be connected to the Internet, you will

be connected to the Internet, and that will unveil the

hive mind where everyone literally has the same thoughts and

no one thinks for themselves, and the actual free will

is gone, and you become something other than a human being,

and you're tied into this matrix and you can't get out,

and then at that point then you're in the simulation

occurs when the hive mind kicks in through the Internet

of Things, in the Internet of bodies.

Speaker 2: So I'm just thinking, like I often wonder how many

people we'll still accept it even if they know that

they shouldn't, and how many will still fall for it.

That's just the way I feel about society. I know

it's a bad way to end it, but like, I

just feel like as a society, we're all pretty much

going to just line right up like the sheep that

most people tend to be, and just go right along

with and accept it, like, hey, we're shutting down the world.

You got to come get your little injection here, and

you got to come get grab your free cheeseburger, and

you got to come do this, You got to come

take that. This is how we're going to go from

now on in Like a vast majority of people are

just going to stand in line because we have no

other choice.

Speaker 1: So they think, yeah, I agree, I have no hope

for humanity. I have hope for individuals within society that

they may get saved, but I still believe it's going

to be a remnant. The one thing about flat earth

is that when people believe in it, it leads them

to intelligent design, and a lot of them become Christians

because they go, well, it's obvious that somebody built this place.

Let me find out who built it. But the majority

of people are doomed. And until you accept that and

also accept the fact that our purpose, at least what

I'm saying. My purpose is to bring as many people

into the Kingdom as possible, and I believe by talking

about flat Earth, I'm doing that. But I expect a

failure rate to far exceed my success. I have sent

out thousands of emails about this book and I've hardly

gotten any response. I kind of expect that because that's

just the way it is.

Speaker 2: Before we end this, I would like for you to

let everyone know where they can find your book at

It's really easy.

Speaker 1: You can find it at Amazon. The name of the

book is Lucifers flat Earth Lucifers Flat Earth by Dylan Campbell,

and you can get paperback, hardback, audio, ebook. It's got

all the formats. But yeah, Amazon is where you would

buy it.

Speaker 2: Before we wrap this up, I do have to say

it just from experience, the people that are closest with

you when you bring up this type of stuff, do

they know that you've written this book and how do

they feel about it?

Speaker 1: My daughter who runs well, she's a manager for marketing

international marketing firm. She's very smart. She said, if I

believe in this, I'm going to do it in the closet.

I think she is open to it and kind of

believes it, but she'll never admit it because she knows

she'll be ostracized and may lose her job. My son,

I'm still working on him, but he has gotten to

the point where he sees that everything is a lie.

So maybe there's a possibility this could be a lie

to other than that. I really don't associate with many

people anymore, and I don't really bring up the topic

unless I feel that individual is open to it. I'm

not doing it that just hit people over the head

and shock them and create controversy. If there's a conversation

that leads to it, I'll talk about it. I'm not

worried about rejection. I've gotten so much of that in mocking.

I think if you're not experiencing any rejection, anger, or mocking,

you're really not doing your job in this world. You know,

even Jesus said, don't think I came into the world

to bring peace. I came to divide mother against father,

father against son. Your worst enemies will be in your

own household, So if you're not in a battle, you're

probably not where you need to be.

Speaker 2: That's actually a good way to look at things. Because

I usually get annoyed when people want to argue with

me about certain things, and I don't want to argue

at the end of the day, Like that's not what

I don't want to argue with people. I don't want

to do. But I see the comments that I get,

I see the hate that people have to say. I

see when they leave, every comment gets notified to me,

and like the last five comments from Spotify have all

been negative, which if someone's not I look at it

this way. At least they're commenting, and so that means

they're listening. They might not agree with it, they might

have things to say about it, but at least they listened.

But at the end of the day, I try to

ignore all that stuff. But it's very hard to do well.

Speaker 1: My adage and I didn't come up with it. But

I'm through fighting people, places and things. That's not my job.

My job. I really believe that, as crazy as it sounds,

I've been commissioned to talk about this because I can't

let it go. I don't know what it is, but

this topic just has a hold on me because I

know that it leads people to God, and if that's

what happens I'm willing to put up with all the crap.

But aside from it, like when I go to walk

my dog in the morning, you know, I'll be praying

and I'll see the sun and I'll say, you know, God,

thank you for the sun, thank you for the moon.

Thank you for the water above, the water below the earth.

Thank you for the food and the shelter. You know.

I try to maintain gratitude, but I also try to

mix in flat earth jargon, because when I see the

Sun moving across the sky, it's moving. It's not the

Earth that's spinning. It's the Sun that's moving. It's the

Moon that's moving, It's the stars. We are center stage

for whatever reason, in this terrarium. We are at the

center of the universe. We are not some mistake. And

God is very close. The Sun is very close, the Moon,

all of it is very close to scale. And this

Earth is a hell of a lot bigger than we've

been told. And every day I just marvel at his creation. Unbelievable.

Speaker 2: There's one thing that I've actually thought about, and I

know we're going to wrap this up, but I just

thought about this. I had this conversation with someone at

work not too long ago. At what point are the

people that believe that we're on a spinning ball? At

what point do we leave Earth and we continue on,

Say we're on a rocket or a balloon or whatever,

and we're going into the space, And at what point

does it no longer look flat for us? Like when

we're landing, the angles and the shifting, it turns to

a flat perspective. But when you get into space, like

when you see it, it's rounded and everything else. But

when we come back down to Earth, all of a sudden,

that shifts back to being how we see it right now.

Like you and I are just sitting in our chair

looking out, everything looks flat like this way. But if

we're in space and it's curved, at what point does

our vision shift to where it's no longer flat looking well?

Speaker 1: And that's where the deception is. The deception is in

the lens. When you see that curvature, that's the result

of a fish eye lens, and a GoPro is a

great example of a fish eye lens where there's curvature.

Anytime there's a shot of Earth without a fish eye lens,

it's always flat and the horizon always comes up to

meet you. And that's just the way it is. If

you stand on the beach, you can see three miles.

If you take out a pair of binoculars, you can

probably pull it in about six miles, and you can

pull in any boats that are between three and six miles.

And then the question is, well, why can't we see Spain. Well,

then you have dew and mist and dust and pollution.

But is the Earth perfectly flat? I believe it's more

like a frisbee. If you took a frisbee and turned

it upside down and you kind of have a concave shape,

and then you have that edge, that two hundred foot

high ice wall. But that's what's given the curvature. It's

the fish eye lens. If they just used the regular lens,

it would be straight. I posted a video on a

website a couple of years ago. It was taken by

the Chinese, and it was a low earth shot, a

low Earth orbit shot, and the Earth was perfectly flat.

They either forgot or purposely didn't attach a fish eye lens.

So again the answer to your question is it's always flat.

It's a question of what lens are they using at

that altitude.

Speaker 2: That's kind of where I'm coming from. Is like if

we were to be in space, like when they show

the Earth from space quote unquote, like and it's rounded

in a spinning and say like they're doing a space

walk and you see Earth in the background. Well if

they're above, say the United States, and you can see

the United States from throughout the clouds and everything else.

But so you land, like you're going to land right

back on Earth, so you're coming in at an angle,

say that we're coming in from like a forty five

degree angle, but you're heading directly from this from space,

so you're still seeing it from a side point of view,

but all of a sudden, the side point of view

now is a flat, Like at what point does it

go from side to flat? Like when we're landing. That's

what I'm talking about. It is like no one's been

able to explain that to me because they don't have

an explanation for that, because there's no way to understand it.

Because if you're in space, you're coming in from a

side angle. But now once you're landing, it's not at

an angle anymore, Like, at what point did it shift

our perspective to be normal? Like we see it right now,

but on on.

Speaker 1: When a pilot's flying a jet, logically he'd have to

nose down during the entire trip, otherwise he would just

fly off into space. And the artificial horizon, the instrument

in the in the in the cockpit is actually a

mechanical gyroscope, and all it does is seek its own level.

So once they attain altitude, if if you're cruising at

thirty five thousand feet, that artificial horizon bar is right

in the middle and you're just flying straight and level,

how can you do that on a curved ball Earth?

You have to You'd have to tilt down the nose

constantly in order to not fly off into space.

Speaker 2: Someone made the argument that it's for every square mile

is eight inches, so it's so minuscule that you wouldn't

notice it because the Earth isn't necessarily flat anyways, because

obviously there's hills and curve and here and there, so

you're not going to really notice the eight inches per

square mile. But I'm like, at some point though, like

I've been up to the dunes in northern Indiana and

from Lake Michigan, you can look across the lake and

you can see Chicago. Well, I don't know the exact mileage,

but it's more than three miles, and you can still

see the city of Chicago. So if you calculate the distance,

most of that should not be visible.

Speaker 1: If you are standing in Saint Joseph, Michigan, and you

look across Lake Michigan at Chicago, it's about sixty miles

according to the Pythagraeam theorem. And you talked about eight

inches per mile. For one mile, it's eight inches, but

then it exponentially goes up. For example, it's eight inches

of curvature for the first mile. At ten miles, it's

sixty six feet. At twenty miles it's two hundred and

sixty six feet, So it's squared. If you're on the

shoreline of Saint Joseph and you're looking at Chicago, the

Williams Tower, based on their curvature formula, should be under

the curve. You should not even be able to see it.

And there was a famous video on WGN where the

weather man said, the reason you could see the Williams

Tower is because of the horizon, because of as a

it's a it's an illusion.

Speaker 2: The light, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah, So for example, about ten miles offshore should be

sixty six point six feet below the horizon, and it's not.

If you take out a pair of binoculars and I've

done that, you could pull it in. If you take

out a telescope, you can pull it even further. So

what we believe to be the Earth's curvature is actually

the vanishing point of perspective. From our point of view.

The flat horizon changes in relation to our vantage point,

whether it's view from the ground or thirty five thousand feet.

You know, there's pilots who said they're flying in New

Orleans and they can see five hundred miles away. And

then I use the flight route, and again this is

in the book. If you fly from Frankfurt, Germany to

San Jose, California, Frankfurt's a fifty degrees latitude, but for

some reason, you got to fly over Greenland to get

the San Jose, which makes no sense at all, But

it makes perfect sense if you're looking at a flat

earth map. That's why all the flight routes look crazy.

Speaker 2: I've always thought it was strange how they go about it,

but I guess that's all by design. Well, Dylan, it

has been a pleasure talking with you. We can wrap

this one up so for anyone listening, make sure to

check out Lucifer's Flat Earth available at Amazon. But I

really enjoyed talking with you.

Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the conversation. I wish you the best

with your show man.

Speaker 2: I appreciate it. For anyone listening, if they would like

to reach out to you, is there anywhere you would

like for them to contact you at.

Speaker 1: They can email me OCD seven seven seven at gmail

dot com. Awesome.

Speaker 2: Alrighty well, you have a great night.

Speaker 1: Thank you, Brandon, you too.

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