Interrogation - He Kills The Man And Then Decides To Move In

Interrogation - He Kills The Man And Then Decides To Move In

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Speaker 1: Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety

in episodes you're looking for Enjoy nine one one.

Speaker 2: What are you reporting?

Speaker 3: I believe I believe there's somebody dead, was murdered.

Speaker 4: There's a I think I saw a body in the shop, in.

Speaker 2: The garage, in the case house. Okay, what's your address?

I'm sorry?

Speaker 5: Okay, where do you see this body in the in.

Speaker 4: The garage not the garage shed that I built?

Speaker 2: Is it a male or female? Male? Okay? And I'm

how old.

Speaker 4: He's just retired?

Speaker 5: He's like sixty seven.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 6: Do you feel like he maybe hung himself or shot himself? No?

Speaker 4: No, no, no?

Speaker 2: Is it test two?

Speaker 1: Yeah?

Speaker 4: Okay, cheery okay, long detective elsewhere counting shirt in Angus.

Speaker 2: We're into CAME and PD. I leave this room is

audio and do report, but I don't process technologies. And

I also keep it back on the audio over the corner.

Speaker 4: Okay, you're in custody with us. I think one of

our tactical team guys grab Johnson. The street not too

far from your house is where I met you.

Speaker 2: Our goal is to.

Speaker 4: Find out how you know Steve and just kind of

what your interaction was within this week. We're detaining several

people to dangerous the same.

Speaker 2: But because you're detained, we have to go through your rights.

My partner here is detectives story. He'll do that because

I am I.

Speaker 1: Agree with you have the right termain silm. You have

the right this time to an attorney in the stake

can use against you in a court of love.

Speaker 2: You have the right to talk to an attorney before

answer any questions.

Speaker 1: You have the right to have an entering present during

the questioning if you're not ord an attorney, and we'll.

Speaker 2: Hope you are pointed for you without cost. If you

so desire, you can answercise you right at any time.

You understanding rights? Yes, we need to right some line?

Or do you let in doctors day? Sure? Ye? Okay,

So what's the so we would win? Sure to or

give you a phone.

Speaker 4: Name, day of birthplace, said Jeremy James Strong three lad

In nineteen seventy nine, three eleven seventy nine.

Speaker 2: What what's what's the address of the house you've been

staying at.

Speaker 5: One four zero seven Stealth forty thirty three from Washington

ninety four weddings.

Speaker 2: Did you have a cell phone? What are gonna do.

Speaker 4: What's your ful phone number? Two twenty three forty three

three one six two two? Uh?

Speaker 2: Is there any person? Or where's the phone itself? At

my house? It's as all number right, it's on the landline. No, okay?

Who lives there at the house? My wife? And of

your daughters?

Speaker 6: Okay?

Speaker 2: An, your wife's name is Laura Lorea. Is that the

gallant was walking with you? Okay? And the two daughters

are they your biological kids or stas kids? And the

dot okay? You're their legal bonder? Yeah okay, or at

least legal guardian. Yeah, okay? Was there high school students

or something? How much? Okay? Just to be clear, you

see we have a recorder here and I think this

room is recording. I understand that is okay. So here

we are today is Wednesday?

Speaker 6: All right?

Speaker 2: My off base here? So we are Wednesday at twenty six.

So what do you do for a living? What's your

jobs and support?

Speaker 4: Well? I'm the Rivers vice general contractor lifelong career. Yes,

are you wonder a company name.

Speaker 2: Or something else? Staring with DBA of the Experience first

a R. Why how is that?

Speaker 4: A R? Y A M Enterprises? Is that what people

know you buy or do they know you buy experience?

So your company name the people with the d D

is scary struggle.

Speaker 2: Your crew.

Speaker 5: Mostly to me, my wife sometimes, my daughter, my daughter

sometimes and if I need once in a while, I

have a con started Elliott.

Speaker 4: Or Louis helping. These are social friends. Here's just guys.

You know, it's miss Elliott and who else?

Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Louis. Oh, there's colder guys.

Speaker 4: I know. They're all deveilp in Kik my Thomas listening

to came. That's my girlfriends, my daughter's boyfriend, a young guy.

Younger guy, yeah, he's seventeen. Okay, besides roofing except general

contractor do you limit yourself to framing or.

Speaker 2: General clean up?

Speaker 4: I'm doing going to be the cheat cardpit, concrete, redial, chimneys,

paint the house.

Speaker 2: Three the house, landscaping, chump green Google. Would handyman be

a good title? Do actually do like new construction too?

Speaker 6: I do that?

Speaker 4: Okay, So you got skills to do and industrial commercial

and that was in the Union for twelve years.

Speaker 2: What kind of equipment do you have or do you have?

Uh for roofing? I have at least too I'm a

roofing tool. Have about lifts or dumb trunks, shit like that?

Do you know anything like that? What do they use?

I have my expedition and we have a dog dump

trailer that my neighbors that I borrow. All these things

that your personal things are under the assets of the

it's a grance roofing. Basically, you're all on me because

it's a DBA Soltal priority ships. How do you get

your jobs? Generally? Do you advertise or something else? Once

and while I put an ad on Craigslist, but most

billions word of mouth? Where do you limit yourself to

kids that carend here? Do you stand furious on something else?

Period of king?

Speaker 5: There's styles that if the opinion of how big a

job is there is how hard You're right?

Speaker 2: I want, yeah, what are you doing out Great Bay

from home?

Speaker 4: When when somebody calls looking for your work? Are you

the the bidder the worker? I mean, are you doing

all aspects of this thing?

Speaker 5: My life has been just readly she's at add if

you can actually start helping out to take some of

the blow it office I and actually has some more

time to be what's she doing with bookkeeping or there's

something else. I'm trying to teach you how to do

the bits do bit sheets. She's been sitting in phone

calls with me and some of the poppy managers that

have been working to probably own.

Speaker 2: Are you a lifelong to come a guy? No, Like

I said, I Polas that I don't know anything about

your pappy building.

Speaker 4: Almost Fountain moved out here in nineteen ninety nine, ninety nine,

ended up in Tcoma or somewhere else.

Speaker 2: I came here too. I came in actually and then

Coma from two thousand and three ish. I think, Okay,

do the cops know you?

Speaker 4: I mean, there's just something the cops have been down with,

not frequently, but I have a Colonel Hastory I created

for drugs album Drugs probably Washington or somewhere else. Well,

that wisconstantly thing going back then on Party two crime.

You delivery marijuana and you're finding grams and party crime group.

When I was sixteen, okay, I had Zacharie and a

car stereo.

Speaker 2: Are these fell only things you can be? A pop

four in Washington? Did you do time? Yes, counting or

state time both? It's AUP Washington, Yes, substantial timers.

Speaker 5: I just got dom doing five years two and a half,

almost three years ago for uh Chess, red Bird play Proway.

Speaker 2: Form role right now, so you were all your own

you are your own man. Right now. Let's talk about

Steep obviously, that's why we're here. You know he's passed away. Yeah,

I have told okay.

Speaker 4: And yeah, so for the record again, today's Wednesday. Do

you remember when my partner called and it was John Ferry, right,

and I believe it was Monday, and he smokes you

on the phone and uh, you'd probably talking half powerful that.

Speaker 2: Okay, did you guys make a plan to meet up

and talk in person? No, he said that there's any example,

sing you can get a hold of me.

Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry to say that, but that's what we're

doing now. I mean that's probably not the most convenient

way of doing it, but no, he's scared the crap.

Speaker 2: Hey, do you have those warn right now? Did you

have a war like a month ago? And is it

not even valid?

Speaker 5: I had a I had warrant to do in Games

of Yeah that my ex wife called the lashing in

future at Task Fortunes.

Speaker 2: I was hiking in Washington board by thanking Kansas and

had a house raided. Okay, but you're here, so why

did they not watch it? Was it not a valid war?

Speaker 5: They have had recover well know there when I'm working

with them by getting that results.

Speaker 4: But they had had rushed through it, and they had

another came on around about anything else.

Speaker 2: But like they said, they're doing what's going on with it?

They didn't extra gotch You officuely know how long you

spend a day? Three days? Oh, three days, all right,

I gotta be about three tejas. And that was that

was just recently, right about three weeks ago.

Speaker 7: Okay, that's about the extent of my knowledge of you

was something that happened, Yeah, abut three weeks ago.

Speaker 2: And the officer is feeling mad me probably not Pierce

counting jails to find out there was no The governors weren't. Oh,

I can imagine that.

Speaker 4: That's one of those things that, Yeah, they don't like

to go out and get a guy if the state's

not going to take him.

Speaker 2: It's a waste of your time, our time. Everybody's not,

of course time, and there's people that need to be gone.

Speaker 5: And the warm was only issued three to six hours

before he served it before he get my doory pad.

Speaker 2: That the same ouns. Yeah, I've lived there for a

little over a few years. Okay, So what's your relationship

with Steve And I'm sorry to remember his last name.

It's both orphs morphous Steve morphus, that guy. How do

you know this guy? Just give me the basic story

behind Steve about yeah theory. You know, basically right after

he had a big do So you were in and out. Yeah,

locked up and then out in a couple of days.

Speaker 5: Okay, So back I give a phone call. I was

working at a job in Right Highlands and a guy

asked me if I come out to him and ask

him to pressure washing for us.

Speaker 2: That was their initial request.

Speaker 5: Yeah, I said, sure, where are you at? You said, uh,

Maple Valley rding. I I'm in that area of day.

Speaker 2: I'll come over. Yeah. I went over there and looked

at the roof follow him.

Speaker 5: It was gonna be like four and fifty bucks. Yeah,

he was sitting there. I talked about some other things.

Asked that I find you anybody that would help that

could help him get a lot of the garbage out

of there.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 5: I said, well I could help you with that. What

all of you have, and so he walked me around.

He showed me, uh, there's two trucks, two white trucks.

Speaker 2: Boat that was like suspended in the air with full strapped.

He wanted that boat.

Speaker 5: Gun, we haven't gotten that far yet. There once you

like tables or both hardfair things just piles here, piles there,

and city wanted.

Speaker 6: And all gone.

Speaker 2: What was there when you were chatting with them? No?

Speaker 5: Did you come by yourself? Yes, sure we could do that.

And then he did, okay, well let me think about it,

all right?

Speaker 2: Did you say worried but bigger advertise praises?

Speaker 5: I haven't for a while, usually lately following words to mouth,

I've been so busy froward mouth that I haven't had

advertised hope, almost hearty word.

Speaker 2: I've never you heard before. And you didn't mention who

you got it from? I'm sorry, said again? Have you

ever mentioned who got it from? Is that kind of

a really gast year? You just gotta right to visits him?

What day was this? So here we are rids day now? God,

it's troughing a couple of weeks ago. Let's see.

Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: A back.

Speaker 6: Rogers, rogers, right you all right?

Speaker 2: I would.

Speaker 5: Without looking at at the calendar anything like that, and

I have to say, it be like that Tuesday, Wednesday,

not this yesterday, last week or the week before that

was the week before that, so full at least a

whole two weeks ago.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, almost two and a half three

weeks ago when.

Speaker 6: I first met and you.

Speaker 4: You took the call and you went to do the

walk around the very same day. So of course comes

to worst. If we had your phone records, I would

see an outgoing call from you to him, and that

would have been the first time you, guys, ever spoke

in your life, and inbound call from him, he calls you,

and that would be the first time you have two

phones that ever connected in life.

Speaker 2: Right, yeah, okay, so that would be that day. Did

you go out there during daylight hours? Morning afternoon?

Speaker 5: It was late afternoon beginning evening. I think I got

done rogers. Yeah, I think three ishh that's not very

far away from uh.

Speaker 2: That's just right up a.

Speaker 6: Right up of.

Speaker 2: Six over right at school. It's I think it's first

Avenue Court or something like that. That was where you

were I had been working. Yeah, yeah, you just called

us again, I think, so, was that far. Yeah, perfect,

sounds like a good business. And you said it was

somebody else there at the place, not that some of that,

and to lose stuff.

Speaker 5: The carvers and boats, uh he said the one one

of them was just broken down. You're just couldn't get

it right. You didn't really talk about we weren't even

at that point. You were just talking. Got down the walk,

I'm doing all that. Okay, Well I'll let you know.

I said, I'll write something up officially, and if you

don't mind, I was sitting by the next they or

someone dropped off to you.

Speaker 2: Okay, if I'm not here, just leave it from from

porch lay. So you didn't make an actual deal yet.

We haven't an work thing yet.

Speaker 4: No, okay, it was just at they asked me at

stage or bidding bidding stage for the guy.

Speaker 2: Did he say whether he's took anybody anybody else's bids?

You know, we didn't really talk about much at all,

and you walk me out. You you know that I

was maybe there all of fifteen minutes, So fifteen minutes

your first way something just a quick look to see

you decided who have the condition that was on? And

then I quick walk around and then back to the

truck that I was gone.

Speaker 6: Your excursion.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first time I was out there.

Is that your hearing or is it expedition or extrict expedition?

Is that in your angorys?

Speaker 6: Fucked?

Speaker 4: So what was the next thing that happened regarding is

there more phone calls or how to go knock A

couple days later?

Speaker 5: Uh, first thing that would have I would have been

on Wednesday, because it was the next time we thought

there was a Friday to start the weekend.

Speaker 2: Okay, sometimes I actually talk it out. He's starting on

to win specifics.

Speaker 5: I I opped off early because we were all good, me,

my wife and my kids. We were going to be

grooming up north for weekend. We're going to go camp,

going up to my mount burning.

Speaker 4: We're going to be a friend of ours from people

of Columbia's coming down.

Speaker 5: But I knocked off early, and Black went back as

how I have to feel like thirty two o'clock in

the afternoon, remember one day that was that was a

fright like two days later two days later okay, and

he was he was home. Uh, he let me and

we sat down. He looked over well, h he said,

I was thinking more about the traction and everything else?

What can you do for that and everything? How about

how is this what all you've done here? And that's

just kind of where I can where I can get

done for you, and so we don't have to keep

doing this back and forth.

Speaker 2: Line back and just a bit. Did you actually have

a formal bid to give him at that point?

Speaker 5: Did you actually have something for him and it was

just from the pressure washing verbal or write one paper

written estimate? Yes, good for if you're about to take

pressure wash this rif of the house and then clean

out the guys, pressure wash off back that and.

Speaker 2: The French back in front of the house. Basic pressure washed,

get ready the water or did he say why he

was doing it, selling the house, just get ready for

the winter, or or it was during what we were

sitting there talking.

Speaker 5: The second time is when he said that he was

going to be in company to coops and take care

of the dumps and he was have some n staving okay,

m hm.

Speaker 2: He said that was supposed to be starting before long,

but he was. Was he asking you to assist with

that him? I wasn't pretty know. He asked me if

I'm do anybody that did that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5: I said, not off the top of my head then,

and he said, yeah, he wanted. He said he wanted

to give all the guards out. He wanted probably ship

shaped very head. Then then I'm gonna be working on

the house, getting that house, because the house is a

mess in through your ro interior, well not really a

mess that was really clean but dirty at the same time,

if that makes sense.

Speaker 3: Uh.

Speaker 2: Yeah, we were in there and we know him stump

just everywhere and I'll dust that hopping and stuff. Okay,

so what actually that?

Speaker 4: Let me be going back up to the very first

time you met him, the very first time you went

out there. Did you stay on the outside of the

house or did you one side.

Speaker 2: I had I hadn't been from the house and stuff

out day okay. And when you stop buy on that

Friday two days later, who was with you?

Speaker 4: Just me from that Okay, I'm sorry, I thought you

said something about your wife being.

Speaker 2: There or you know. I'm back that that was the

third That was the third time that we went out there.

Speaker 5: Okay, that's coming together the Oryxie said he wanted he

was going to start getting the inside cleaned up and

all that.

Speaker 2: Probably hired maid or something like that. I said, well,

I said, I got a wife and two daughters. Mhmm.

Speaker 5: And he said, oh guys, well, he said, you did

pick me the hand.

Speaker 2: What I want to do do well, I just want

to get organized.

Speaker 5: I want to get up my stuff together and just

cleaned off and I want I just want things cleaned up.

Speaker 2: And put what was it supposed to be? And he

was referring to interior stuff also at that point.

Speaker 5: At that point he was because usually pointed over to

star Trek stuff that was here, other stuff that's over here.

Speaker 2: He's like, I just wanted stuff to be put where. Yeah,

and so okay, let's talk about it. So Uh.

Speaker 5: Had grabbed a piece of paper and were sitting there

and we got the green their moved vehicles.

Speaker 2: Uh getting in a container and then it's just still

that part.

Speaker 6: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I was there for about an hour getting a container

for for what for ol the garbage house side? Okay,

what kind of container?

Speaker 6: Uh?

Speaker 5: Recycled here like like then dumpster that's container and inside

that's all myself. Well, I said, my wife's pretty good

to keep it. Think organ I should keeps me.

Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

Speaker 5: He said, okay, Well along the year, I said, I said,

I'm going out to tell this weekend, and I said

I can. We can try to make something next week,

I think, but I don't think. We didn't make it

back the next week.

Speaker 2: With till the close to the end of that next week.

By god, we're going to be candreels. We're talking about here.

Just keep myself.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said all totally that they are three

times h So this is your second meeting, you're planning

your third.

Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I, I said, get it back to him,

and that's right, like his phone number, Well, my program

is don't remember.

Speaker 2: H took off? Was anything else there? Second?

Speaker 5: I never saw anybody there, even when me and my

wife came out there. He said, we had just missed landscapers.

Speaker 6: Uh.

Speaker 2: And I saw the little machine sitting on the fat

of the yards, so he was all happy.

Speaker 5: You showed me the crow the side of the house,

looked at crops, sharp circles, A.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that'spending. When we talked about everything, and I said,

well I'll do everything right now. My yes, Well, uh,

what do you want my wife? You do in? I don't,

and then well stuff, I went in, you meet her.

If everything's good, then I'll jumping up and we'll be going.

Speaker 4: Okay, let me use it, let me douse the day

you got out of you got hooked up September twenty something, Yeah,

this warm thing.

Speaker 5: I think you remember them twenty strongest, Yeah, last month. Yes,

you remember one day you got out of the clink.

I could probably look that up, but it was three

days after. It was in the third day that I

got out.

Speaker 2: So remember what day of week you got arrested. Did

they actually hit your house or how do you rest

your and they came in into the house.

Speaker 4: Was it a Tuesday, Thursday, Friday or something? I don't

know the report I remember I thought it said to

twenty third. Could that be accurate? Probably Thursday? I would

have probably say more Wednesday because I had a time

to church. Do you remember what do you remember what

day he got out then? Was it a weekend day

or weekday?

Speaker 5: I believe it was like Monday, So that could have

been Monday, the twenty eighth, could be Honestly, I've worked

so much, yeah, trying to figure out when the first

time you were actually at his house, When that first

visit to his house, you were thinking it was a Wednesday, Yeah,

which leaves us sort of like, well, if it was

like two days after you got out, was it like that.

Speaker 2: Quick kind of day? Was a feedback to work the

next day, and you think you were in his house,

then that's potentially the twenty ninth that he calls you.

That's when two weeks to go see it.

Speaker 4: So yeah, right in there, it's four weeks a game

technically four Yeah, and it's your other choice.

Speaker 2: Youres the week since fifth, It would be strong from there.

Speaker 4: Yeah, So if you're pretty confident it was Wednesday, we're

thinking September twenty ninth or September fifth was the first

time you were at his house.

Speaker 2: It was definitely not.

Speaker 8: The fifth because that would have been late beginning weekend, right, well,

the fifth would have been actually the twenty weekend of

the twenty eighth, right, September twenty seventh, twenty eighth, not

Labor Day.

Speaker 2: No, that was the first job. Sorry're right?

Speaker 4: Labord was their labor day or was a Thirdember of

this year? Yeah, it was before that, so before labor

Day was the first time you were ever at his house?

Do you think it's a Wednesday, therefore it must be

the twenty ninth.

Speaker 7: Yeah, if you got out sometime that weekend before right

or Monday.

Speaker 4: Okay, So first time ever made it the twenty ninth

was use it as a running estimate.

Speaker 2: Yeah, second time was just two days later.

Speaker 4: Then yes, then we're leaving. We're still in September. It'll

be September thirty first, yep. And then that was the

weekend and I was going out of town.

Speaker 2: Where'd you developing Mount Vernon? Yeah, well we've tried to,

but maybe a weekend? Oh yeah, okay, there were okay,

so that's Labor Day weekend we out of town yep.

Speaker 4: Okay, if you get back from town, you spend like Monday,

the actual holiday, out of town or do you know?

Speaker 5: We went up on Sunday to Mount Vernon to a

restaurant up there where our friend Carry that was up

in Canada and his wife came down. We had a

pick lunch and all that, and we took a long

sight feedback down through the Deception Pass, went down and

play on beach a little, then ended up going all

the way over to like Foodsville, have the last very

back over to Yeah, excited, and.

Speaker 4: Then drove back to just sleep over somewhere or it

was just a one day trip one day long the trip, Yes,

so it's probably Sunday. The second yes, the next day

is the actual Liberty Holiday. So maybe I got lost

here a little bit. So the third time you are

its place, then it would have been soon at the

end of that week, you know what day more or

less Thursday, Friday soon mhm, weekend. It would have been

you for Friday years Saturday.

Speaker 6: Okay.

Speaker 4: So we were into September seventh or eighth proximately, okay,

And that's that's.

Speaker 2: The third time. And were you maybe you answer this,

but were you by yourself? And the third time was monny?

Wife was there?

Speaker 6: Okay?

Speaker 2: Your daughter's also?

Speaker 4: No?

Speaker 6: Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: Is that the only time your wife is there? Yeah? Okay,

So tell us that visit from like beginning to end.

Was it the morning and afternoon? He was on the

late evening someone was just studying when you went and

got there.

Speaker 4: As a dusk Yeah, okay, But did you pop pattern

or what did you call and make a edgemin you're

stuck in We were working all day and she been

helping shinkles.

Speaker 2: Yes, so I figured getting in the neighborhood stop by

knocking the door. H Was he home? Okay?

Speaker 4: I'm sorry, probably asked this, and but was he by himself? Yeah,

so there's just the three that you and your wife

and Steve. Nobody else, animals, dogs, anything like that. I

literally never seen there besides him. Okay, I've seen.

Speaker 5: Having the people were there, yeah, landscaper or the work

that they did, but they saw an actual person.

Speaker 6: Okay.

Speaker 2: How long was this visit? This third visit? Either on

Friday or Saturday the seventh or eighth? How long did

you stay there? Hour or two?

Speaker 5: I think I was bored because once he kind of

started going saying kind of what he wanted why, he

started giving my ideas, and he kind of let us

to a tour of the house and showing us some

of this some of his some of the things he had,

like you had just glady her helmet that I thought

it was really cool. I like long Brussel crow or

and glad at he said it was a movie prop.

Speaker 2: I thought that was really cool. Did you serve your guys? Dinner?

Was a social kind of you know, coffee and tea

and chat kind of got a soda. Yeah, but yeah,

on the social type thing, and just he was showing

us some of this guy he has a lot of

Star track of Star Wars stuff. I didn't think anybody

you could have that much stuff? How much? How much?

Did you guys do a walk around the outside again?

Also no, uh?

Speaker 4: I mean now I we've been outside when the guys

with my wife I stepped on the back porch smoked cigarette.

Speaker 6: Uh.

Speaker 2: The I think I told you that he has a

lot of stuff. That's what she keep saying. That's a

lot of stuff.

Speaker 6: That's a lot.

Speaker 2: What was your brand idea? She hope he has an

idea of just sometimes I'm not surprised of it. I do. Well,

I'm gonna be busy for at least a weep to

ten days getting the yard and everything cleaned up. I said,

you can tat she'd well, sure, So what do you

want to charge him? She I don't know. You figure

that out?

Speaker 4: Okay, So did you guys ever finalize so you showed

him the four hundred and fifty dollars bill, if you

showed him the four hundred fifty dollars bill for the

power watching earlier, did you guys ever shake on it?

Speaker 2: And was it a deal or did you Well?

Speaker 5: I handed a quote right, and then well, when you

can find the guy down, brass, tacks and anything else.

Speaker 2: He was saying, even boat he wanted gone. I told

him that.

Speaker 4: I said, the boat I'm gonna have to get, I'm

gonna end up having a range flat it fo Yeah,

I said, you don't have a trailer for it or

anything like that.

Speaker 5: I said, I can get a container ordered out here,

and that way I can just start loading all the

metal and everything else. I said, I have my uh

the transport its endorsement on my business license. I can

labally move the vehicles out of here and get down

to the till yard for you or scrapyard. I'm looking

at a week to ten days where I'm not going

to be doing anything but this.

Speaker 2: And then everything I want my wife to do. I said, what.

Speaker 4: What times a reasonable to you? And he said, well,

I'm thinking about six six sixty.

Speaker 2: So the first bid was just kind of put aside.

Didn't you deal with that anymore?

Speaker 4: No?

Speaker 2: Because he had so much more on top of it. Okay,

so this is now our verbal bid. Now you're just

kind of thinking off the top of your head.

Speaker 5: This man house that now a week and a half

week can have two weeks of our time then plus

the cost running the cost of my head of getting

the basically a forty foot flat bed.

Speaker 2: Wading a semi and cheap grant, okay, six to one

hundred bucks.

Speaker 4: You were considering all the clean up that he was

asking you need to do on the exterior, plus his

wife interior, what made or he would made work slash

organized and slash? I don't know what do you want

to box and shut up?

Speaker 2: Or everybody? Everybody everything about?

Speaker 4: I know that he wanted to get all of this stuff,

all the stuff I kept, things I wanted to put together.

Speaker 2: I want to clean it. I wanted to nowhere to

get at it.

Speaker 5: So my wife, I know she was saying because she

would should help him clean and help them get organized

and areas where you can get a catalog or whatever

he wants to do with it.

Speaker 2: Did she actually start doing something work, you guys were

a long time. Well she started doing that, but she

was walking around with him.

Speaker 5: You've got a staff of Star Wars Wars figures and

who put it in the room as though she were

talking Like I said, I was bored. I'm not an

organizing you got, I have.

Speaker 2: An instruction work. I tears things up. Hyeah, I don't

deal with those fairly cards and things like that.

Speaker 6: Oh okay, but I.

Speaker 4: Mean she wasn't actually caught on the job. She was

just trying to get a sense of what means to

be done right that first time that she was there.

Speaker 5: And if if you my wife first talked to her

for a while or been around for a while, she's

just one of those she's mom, still be a strange.

Speaker 2: Your house and she'll start picking up. Yeah, that was

why why do.

Speaker 4: Alright, so you guys are there for a couple of hours,

you throw this off the top of your head. Sixty

one bill does he say, does you guys.

Speaker 6: Make an agreement?

Speaker 2: Or said how why why do you think? Do wait?

You that much?

Speaker 5: And I to him as well, somebody's gonna cost me

about two grand for the day, and said, and then

labor everything else.

Speaker 2: So figuring we have my.

Speaker 5: Time place all the little eye things that are gonna

end up having to come up that I don't want

to ask you for another opinion afterwards.

Speaker 6: Yeah, well.

Speaker 2: I think that's doable. So we're talking truck, truck, boat,

general shit that area off to the side.

Speaker 9: To make shift like hangar looking thing that you just

half buried basically all the scrap metal that can half buried,

all that that area through there, all that wiring and

things like that, and just popular that pocket.

Speaker 2: All the garbage, all that stuff.

Speaker 6: That was your job.

Speaker 2: You're going to do that.

Speaker 4: Your wife is going to do the inside organizing. That

was a deal that you guys were trying to leave.

Name presh washing and growth, ye, crash washing it very

often building.

Speaker 2: Just essentially just get a knee and tight. Okay.

Speaker 4: So if all that occurred back on the back on

the seventh through the eighth, here we are the twenty

sixth now, and tell me if you think we're off

on the days.

Speaker 5: But we're well, we always the friday that we that

we set everything up. That's what I called first thing

and get a container board Monday.

Speaker 4: Yes, And then said because he wrote everything else, So

I wrote up a handwritten.

Speaker 2: Did I letterhead you're still at the house there or

house down?

Speaker 5: And I told him about home als, hype, all this

up and everything else, and I'll have a wait when

I come out here.

Speaker 2: He gave me his credit card from me down payment.

Speaker 4: Yeah, because they asked me if I could I could

accept these mass cards? Yes too, pay out Okay, I

think I need.

Speaker 2: And the other two thousand. When we're done that two thousand,

it is basically August later. Okay, I want to write

this stuff down, so I'm sorry.

Speaker 4: You give him the route up a bad just a

handred one there the down pay What were you gonna

ask for down painting for what?

Speaker 2: One hundred bucks? And we're down? He said, that's doable? Yeah?

And how was he going to pay for again?

Speaker 5: I'm here, there's he's your master. I don't know it's

credit card? Okay, did you give the numbers at that time?

Speaker 6: Yeah?

Speaker 2: Well you use my phone and I have he's a

pay here, PayPal paym. You swipe it or do you

type it either or.

Speaker 5: That's one of those Okay, I don't Yeah, I didn't

have my swipe with me, so typed in my phone.

Speaker 2: Uh.

Speaker 4: And then so little way I got back up here

in one stuff at the time. So he gives you

the card briefly you type it or is he reading

in the numbers or are you actually speak.

Speaker 2: You tipting the numbers? I'm sitting there pisching on my phone.

Speaker 4: Uh.

Speaker 5: But for forty one hundred and I told him, I said,

PayPal will process it until after I know for sure.

Speaker 2: We have the game shot, yes to the program.

Speaker 6: M hm.

Speaker 2: So he he kept the card and he gives you

the numbers. You're you're punching here because you don't happen

to have here a swing sticky and exactly to the

card here? Is it the kind that you stick the

card in and hold it or is it the kind

you swipe it? Does both?

Speaker 6: Thank you?

Speaker 2: It doesn't plunge into the phone, but.

Speaker 5: I don't usually carry it with me honestly plan to

use it because it feels expensive and I'm in construction.

Speaker 2: Is that something is just linked to you? Yes? Sorry,

he ranked detective where you want it goes every time

you goes to Yeah, that that one's actually linked to

to the I P on my phone and to my

JP mount and that's.

Speaker 6: A PayPal.

Speaker 4: So then so does that actually you see there while

you look on your phone? And does it look like

an all successful? They did whatever I was supposed.

Speaker 2: To do well? I never I never since the mission

in because I didn't ordering the container yet. Okay, so

get the numbers so when you're ready to do it,

I got you. A lot of this is new to

us too, so we're just basically it's in my call

it shopping part. Yes, then that was adding the wherever

his house. But because the next day we went to

church and everything else.

Speaker 5: You know, we were talking a little bit about was

going on with what she would wanted to do there,

and I was saying, okay, well I'll be outside.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Did they go through every room in the house?

Speaker 4: You know, I'm really sure waiting the whole time, say

you smoke for one time?

Speaker 5: At least I did the initial walk around with him

where he like, I turned on like the rooms and

showed this kind of quick little thing at yes, what

was in there?

Speaker 2: How crowded it was, you know. But those two went

and we're just off talking everything else anything. The total

time there was about up in two hours, two maybe

a little more. I know, we got home about h

thirty into thirty. Good. I feel, yeah, everybody get on

my feet all day. Okay, so we're talking now. Saturday

the eighth, he went to church. Sunday the ninth. Some

people both the next.

Speaker 4: Interaction we had with him or what did you do

regarding Steve's business or whatever, Well, maybe one.

Speaker 2: Called very that came or ordered for him. I can

call him. He didn't an answer, so I left him void. Myslute.

I also tex, still.

Speaker 4: Monday would be if in our timeline year we're correct,

Monday would be the tenth, No nor one.

Speaker 2: Of it just did past Monday.

Speaker 4: Okay, that brings us to the seventeenth, so we're shifting

a week. Here's what I'm concerned about it. So you

were thinking you were in that parson's house after Labor

Day with the third that same week, and as the

seventh Friday, the eighth Saturday, You're thinking you were there

the eighth Saturday, or are we thinking it was the

eighth excuse me, the fifteenth Saturday, which was then just

a couple of days before he started calling around for containers.

Speaker 2: It was, yeah, just a frouble days before I called

around for containers.

Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna show you what saying it was.

Let's still see the number us here. So Labor Day

is the third, so you get locked up, you get

released sometime.

Speaker 2: Around August and of August. Right, initially you said it

was just a couple days later when he calls out grew,

we think it was Wednesday.

Speaker 4: I'm pretty almost sure it was Wednesday, because yeah, it

was a few days later.

Speaker 2: And then I gave him quote okay for first one

and that was Friday. On Friday, So that's where I

was getting at.

Speaker 4: It's either the twenty ninth and the thirtieth you talk

to him, met him, or so you talked to him

and went out real quickly and then came back with quote.

Speaker 2: Yeah, either the twenty eight, the thirty.

Speaker 4: First, or potentially the fifth, the seventh, No, because it

before I went to on vacation, definitely before Yeah, so

did you.

Speaker 2: Have a week of downtime where you did nothing regarding

him passively? I mean, I've been working nice stop, so.

Speaker 4: Okay, so let's kind of move forward with These early

dates are a little fuzzy potentially, but by the time

he was already about tops who was on and we

made okay, we move get there if yout't help.

Speaker 2: But as at the time, you're actually calling around to

get a container.

Speaker 10: And we're talking just last week, right, Yeah, we're talking

at the beginning this week. Okay, like not not two

days ago Monday, but yeah, a week to go Monday.

You can go Monday, not two weeks ago Monday, but

not two weeks ago.

Speaker 6: Okay.

Speaker 2: So I talked to your partners later on that day

you talked to my partner, I believe Friday.

Speaker 4: In twenty first, say last Friday, so that Monday is

when it was that week, that week that I I

went around to what a container.

Speaker 2: And that was getting be set freaking delivery on Thursday. Okay,

let me so we'll do it. We'll say tentative.

Speaker 11: You made phone calls on Monday, on around Monday the

seventeenth ye asking plan, but the earliest I could get

a container was like see when first?

Speaker 2: All right, deal, So what what cantar company did you

deal with? H?

Speaker 6: Sure?

Speaker 4: Ben?

Speaker 2: It was just.

Speaker 6: Sure s.

Speaker 2: You are a e B I an I think I

have their an email from him? In that email? Okay,

so you called him, just call hey, this is the enterprise.

Speaker 5: So I tried to Glacier, I tried Hungry Buds Ard,

and I tried to renew the three I usually go with,

but they were completely booked out. They had nothing to

intelligate with every time a couple of weeks out late summer.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I just.

Speaker 5: Started calling all the ones that started at A started

working my way down and I Google search tip.

Speaker 2: He's a god Ben. It was they to comar. But

while I was there.

Speaker 3: I can't s R V I N B I N

B S Yeah, like sure, bin, yeah, like the word sure,

sure we have a been Yeah, sure we.

Speaker 2: Out here though, you fucking I guess.

Speaker 6: I'm curious.

Speaker 4: I think anyways, they're the ones that are great. Heyw

I had something out there the twenty first or whatever. Yeah, okay,

and that was the deal that you have to put

money down for that.

Speaker 2: No, there was gonna be ninety five. And what day

did they say they were able to deliver this thing?

Speaker 5: They were going to be able to deliver it on

the you know it, twenty first they were supposed to

dropped off of the there's their pride in that week

and as as.

Speaker 2: Soon as they would get there, did they be delivered?

I'm just thinking, I don't know.

Speaker 4: I know when I talked to your partner said that out,

I said, oh crap, you guys probably had any container,

probably try to be delivered there.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, stay of the day saying anything about it.

Speaker 4: Okay, So it was eight ninety five. You didn't yet

give him any cash or car transactions or whatever.

Speaker 2: You made a deal. Was it actually something where there

was exchange of bill? Was there bill laid out.

Speaker 5: You out the filled out the staying online for the

reservation farm. Did you speak with anybody that's my service

when he called about can you the date?

Speaker 2: So he didn't the online thing? Nicoll you back or

they not called them? U?

Speaker 5: Have you called it their eight hundred number with the

reservation number first scheduling?

Speaker 2: Yeah? Every time? All right?

Speaker 4: So at that point you get a date of twenty

aeths or twenty first you give them the address of.

Speaker 2: Where it is?

Speaker 6: All right?

Speaker 2: Did you give them your world Billy address or what's

the billion as? I think it was his address, my.

Speaker 12: Phone number, his phone number, my name is name? At

point in contact maybe once they dropped that hanging out,

they can't really do much ounce.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and did you guys exchange any emails on this deal?

They send me received via email confirmation? Yes?

Speaker 6: Uh?

Speaker 2: Reservation okay, okay.

Speaker 4: So you got the kind container dealt with? Did that

all happen on Monday the seventeenth? He made a lot

of calls.

Speaker 2: But did it like you bleed into Tuesday or Wednesday

or anything? No, my day, I have any call and

try to call.

Speaker 4: Yeah, well I've got the king ordered, I've uh process

that now, Yes, try to process.

Speaker 2: A process. This is what day? Monday? I still still

Monday and money?

Speaker 4: Yeah, so you have your your PayPal been with his

credit card information radio well pay call trade processing request.

Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't go through, and you think this is Monday? Yeah, okay,

didn't know before you didn't think.

Speaker 4: I thought that I just ran and then I start

find out I didn't go through until that evening.

Speaker 2: So I tried to go on it again and didn't

go through.

Speaker 5: Okay, like all them left the message said it and

then they have but they're always been wrong or whatnot.

Speaker 2: I got a story smail. He didn't answer what day was?

He called, we're still.

Speaker 5: And then he wasn't answering the cell phone. So I

called the household and left the message on the answer machine.

Speaker 4: My phone.

Speaker 2: Also, I was Monday.

Speaker 5: Went to try and calling it way back into that

deg subscriber you were living mailboxes something Okay, left the

messages about I de church based with you later on

this week on the door about it.

Speaker 2: We'll take care of the forty one when I on

this weekend or something.

Speaker 6: I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: That was your messager, that was your conversation, that was

the message. I hadn't talked oh yeah, so where that was? Next?

Speaker 5: I get a call from me by Actually my wife

gets a call from your partner, and that was Friday.

Speaker 2: She got the call.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so you left, you left them miss You tried

to run his card Monday and you left him a

message Monday.

Speaker 2: That was all Monday. Yeah, that was I'm just going

to go out there and uh.

Speaker 5: About you can here going to deliver on Fridays and

then the first thing Saturday morning to get start.

Speaker 2: Okay, that's like say it more time.

Speaker 5: The container was going to be delivered times Friday and

I was going to stop. I was going to be

out there first thing Saturday to get started. That will

all happened Monday, Monday and Tuesday. So yeah, okay, Monday

into Tuesday, you got the container going.

Speaker 2: You tried to pay pal, there was an issue, tried

to call him cell phones. No good, we'll his first time.

Take on. I left message on cell phone. Yes, the

same time I said, no I saw you, our subscriber

can't be reached or weird thing.

Speaker 4: No, I called the house phone. Okay, was that still

all Monday or Tuesday? We could have as been as

late as.

Speaker 13: Friday, No Fridays, right, you're gonna have Friday yet Fridays

were a partner call, right, So okay, so let's go

through the rest of week. That whole happens Monday, Tuesday.

Do you know what do you do Wednesday? Thursday, fri.

Speaker 2: Let's go to let's go Tuesday. Did you have another

job Tuesday? At court? Tuesday?

Speaker 6: Course?

Speaker 2: Where is out Pierce count Did you show up? Of course?

Speaker 4: You know that's about fifty to fifty things for a

lot of guys. Oh no, Miss Pierce County means suppo

or something?

Speaker 2: What was it? Spirit over that about the futive.

Speaker 6: From what time?

Speaker 2: Is the court's time? Uh? Nine am? And cans never

go a long time. So how long did you have

to stick around?

Speaker 5: We left here about We got there about one fucking afternoon, okay, and.

Speaker 2: You are obviously we're taking into custody. Whatever. They just

what they do.

Speaker 14: They continue, They didn't drop, dismiss anything. Now from there,

I went over to the mail box, checked in.

Speaker 2: With them.

Speaker 15: Because you were on the hill still And who is

that billbo guy CJS Bill Bounce? Also all city in

the same place. Uh, they're literally like right next to

the courthouse. So over there checking with them and from there,

uh over to the Hosmer House and.

Speaker 2: You say Osmer house. That's not a drop set you got. Yeah,

that's why I just finish up. We're we're supposed to

be neatn to homeowner. Is that one of your gigs

or are you working for?

Speaker 6: Do you work for? Guys?

Speaker 2: If you're looking for work you ever? Just yeah, another

dude needs you to help, and you all lificite.

Speaker 5: And when it comes back, I go to the union,

just put dispatches, so you're union members.

Speaker 2: Yeah to this day, Yes, local FIATIF over Lark. Now

you've listened. Now go to your thing