Interrogation Fail - 17, Father, And A Sophmore in H.S. And Ready To Handle Homicide

Interrogation Fail - 17, Father, And A Sophmore in H.S. And Ready To Handle Homicide

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Speaker 1: Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety

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Speaker 2: Enjoy, just a s thanks.

Speaker 3: I'm gonna put this one on you. Okay, you right

your left handed? You right with this hand. Yes, I

won't lock it so that doesn't get down. Do you

want some water or anything? Yeah, I'll be right back.

Speaker 4: Mhm h.

Speaker 5: Yeah, make it look at me think coolah.

Speaker 6: H Hey, Dard, how are you doing an investigator or not?

This is Sergeant Clocks. Well, so before we get started,

there's a couple of things that we got to get

out of the way. Okay, how old are you seventeen?

Have you ever been arrested before?

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 6: Have you ever been in any kind of trouble before?

All right, I'm sure you've probably watched TV. I was

seeing this before, So I'm just gonna read it to you.

If you have any questions while I read it to you,

stop me and we'll go back up. Okay. It says

that you have the right to remain silent. Anything you

say can be used as evidence against you in court.

Do you have the right to have a lawyer present?

Will be questioned if you cannot afford to hire a

lawyer will be pointed for you without cause before questioning.

If you wish to answer questions now without a lawyer, President,

You'll still have the right to stop answering questions at

any time. You understand that? Okay a little? Do you

need clarification on something? You need me to re read

it or do you want to sit here and read

it again? Do you have a chance to look over it?

Do you understand everything? Are you able to read on

your own? This right here says that I've read this

statement of my rights shown about and I understand what

my rights are. No promises or threats have been made

to me, and no pressure of any kind has been

used against me. Do you understand that? Okay? If that

is the face and you don't have any questions, you

can sign right there.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's kind of hard.

Speaker 6: Okay, mister Watson's spell your first.

Speaker 7: Name for me?

Speaker 2: Okay? Well, day day eight and.

Speaker 6: Your middle name is what how do you spell it? K?

And what's your birthday?

Speaker 2: Twenty eight, two thousand.

Speaker 6: Jun You're what seventeen? Where do you stay? What's your address?

Speaker 2: Griffin? Griffin Apple?

Speaker 6: I think what's the number?

Speaker 2: I just know it's in the front of the making

part hearties.

Speaker 6: Whose house is that? What's her name?

Speaker 2: Julia Rich?

Speaker 6: Julia Rich?

Speaker 8: What school do you go to?

Speaker 6: What grade are you in?

Speaker 2: Tea?

Speaker 6: Are you gonna go into eleventh grade? Or are you

going into tenth? Okay? What's your phone number?

Speaker 2: I don't know about heart?

Speaker 6: You don't know by heart? Do you have a phone?

What kind of phone? Do you have? An iPhone? And

I phone? Six? What color?

Speaker 8: Is it?

Speaker 2: Great?

Speaker 6: A gray one? Okay?

Speaker 9: Is there's three cbs? That's your on the front? What

is it?

Speaker 6: Me?

Speaker 2: Baby?

Speaker 6: If you have a case or anything like that? Okay?

Does this look like it? Do you recognize all of that?

Is that yours?

Speaker 2: That's my brother? The top?

Speaker 6: Oh? Right there?

Speaker 2: Oh?

Speaker 6: I don't even know. Does it have a pass code

on it? What's the pass code?

Speaker 2: Three? Five five five.

Speaker 6: Three five five five okay? Three five five five.

Speaker 2: Looks like six digits the rest of them? Five? Three

five five?

Speaker 10: Oh?

Speaker 6: Okay, so three and then five? Okay? How long have

you have this phone?

Speaker 2: Not about how long? A couple of months?

Speaker 6: When do you think you got it?

Speaker 2: By around? Let's cool with time in contact?

Speaker 6: Did you buy it yourself for somebody else?

Speaker 5: Buy for?

Speaker 6: Is it on her plan.

Speaker 2: Kay, I don't think you a Walmart?

Speaker 6: Okay, So it's just like one of those little track

phones or something. Okay, does anybody else use your phone?

Who would use your phone?

Speaker 2: People be with?

Speaker 11: Like?

Speaker 2: Whoa anybody?

Speaker 6: Anybody?

Speaker 2: You just now I've asked you from my phone? I

don't know.

Speaker 6: Okay. So, but what I'm saying is, I mean most

people like I don't ever give my phone out to

anybody and just let them take off with it.

Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

Speaker 6: Is it fair to say that you have your phone

all the time?

Speaker 2: Not all the time? Let people log in a stuff.

Speaker 9: But it's just mm hmm.

Speaker 6: Okay, he said, you've got a brother. What's his name, Tyrese?

Does he have the same last name as you? Where's

he stay? How old is he one? When's the last

time you saw him?

Speaker 2: Yes?

Speaker 6: Yes, yesterday? Okay, let's talk about yesterday. Just kind of

tell me what you did yesterday?

Speaker 2: Mayfair?

Speaker 6: You were Mayfair?

Speaker 2: Who are you with this boy named Talie?

Speaker 12: No?

Speaker 2: Huh my big my being mama?

Speaker 3: How is.

Speaker 6: You were with your baby mama and your cousin her cousin? Okay,

now what time do you think you woke up?

Speaker 2: Yesterday, Well, Wed, I think.

Speaker 6: You woke up around eleven. Now when you woke up,

where were you at?

Speaker 2: Might be mama house?

Speaker 6: Is that over where we got your from today? Okay?

Now do you stay over there pretty often? Because y'all

have a child together?

Speaker 2: Work?

Speaker 6: Where does she work at? Which one?

Speaker 2: Washingtons?

Speaker 6: Okay? Did she work yesterday? Do you have a job?

Speaker 2: Nick?

Speaker 6: Not yet? Do you do any kind of work at all?

Speaker 2: No?

Speaker 6: So yesterday you say that you were over there and

you guys woke up about what time? All right? And

when you woke up? Who all was there?

Speaker 2: Me? Her? Her mom was at work? I think I

stepdaddy on that too. Yeah, he was in the front

room okay?

Speaker 6: And her brother who's her brother? Di beyond? What's his

last name?

Speaker 2: I think we'll see we're probably around my age.

Speaker 6: Did you know him before her?

Speaker 1: So?

Speaker 6: Is that how you met her? Through him?

Speaker 4: Well?

Speaker 2: I rid in the pool?

Speaker 6: Huh?

Speaker 2: I rid in the pool. I met her.

Speaker 6: Okay, like one of those Roger Scott or something.

Speaker 2: I'm listen.

Speaker 6: All right, so you wake up and it's you, her,

her stepdaddy, and the baby, the baby and then have Okay,

did you go anywhere?

Speaker 2: Mayfair?

Speaker 6: What time? Do you think you went to Mayfair.

Speaker 2: Around that time? We're like twelve?

Speaker 6: Okay?

Speaker 2: What happened?

Speaker 6: And then when you went to Mayfair?

Speaker 2: It was you and who her and home her cousin?

Speaker 6: Diamond? Does he? Does her cousin live there with her?

Where does she stay? Did Diamond come over to her

house first? And then y'all wrote out? Or did you

meet up with Dyman later? Where'd y'all meet up at Mayfair?

We're at Mayfair?

Speaker 2: Halfway to our house?

Speaker 6: How'd y'all get there? Do y'all always walk everywhere you go? Okay?

You don't have a car, a bike or anything like that.

Speaker 2: I use somebody to bike?

Speaker 6: What happened to your bike?

Speaker 2: Instead? Doping?

Speaker 6: Was the baby with you? Guys? Yesterday? When y'all went

to Mayfair? The baby was with you?

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 6: And so Diamond?

Speaker 2: How old is Diamond? Wow? Like twenty something? I think, well,

I don't really know it like that because that's my

cousin because and how old is she? Twenty?

Speaker 6: You're seventeen? Okay? All right?

Speaker 2: So whatever? Night?

Speaker 3: Wow?

Speaker 13: I had the right fucking every be here because it's

totally different than what's your girlfriend saying? I mean one

lady out you and her on two totally different pages.

Speaker 6: I mean, I was just gonna sit here and let

you lie over and over and over again.

Speaker 2: About what she said.

Speaker 9: Y'all. Didn't you up till seven o'clock yesterday?

Speaker 13: You know her mama watched the baby, She went over

somewhere else, and you went and made for every by yourself.

Speaker 2: Work up by sam. I don't work around that time.

We go right on that one. Yeah, I was learning.

I will go around that every every day.

Speaker 6: I mean, look, when people talk sometimes you're gonna have

a little bit of a difference. But seven and eleven

that's a big difference, you know. So somebody's not telling

the truth.

Speaker 2: I'm cheerful true.

Speaker 6: So when you went to Mayfair, let's just we'll just

keep going with this unless you'd rather change your story

and start telling us the truth.

Speaker 7: By what.

Speaker 6: Just simple ship what you did yesterday?

Speaker 2: I just told you.

Speaker 6: So is she a liar? I know, well, somebody's lying.

Speaker 2: I don't look around seven. I won't go around a leg.

I can't sleep that one. Do they say I won't

go back seven in the afternoon.

Speaker 9: I'm with you on I don't know why scalding about it.

Speaker 2: It's like sleeping through a half for a holiday, especially

with one.

Speaker 13: That's both me and her say so, obviously she's trying

to cover for each and she ain't doing a very

good job of it. I'd love to thank you're the

one in there being honest?

Speaker 2: Are you? I think I got a lot about.

Speaker 6: Okay, So you go over to Mayfair yesterday? What time

you think you made it out there?

Speaker 2: We'reund like twelve okay?

Speaker 6: And who's how did you go to.

Speaker 2: Hurts? We don't really go nobody how we met?

Speaker 6: Okay, you mean Diamond for somebody else met her? All right?

Speaker 8: Then what'd y'all do?

Speaker 2: Nothing? Was just chilling with me, her, my big mama,

the baby, and her good friend that's still righting about it,

and we all went to meet fat and Med.

Speaker 14: Okay, the other friend I named camp cam cam cam?

Did you go to anybody's house?

Speaker 3: Well?

Speaker 6: How long you think you were in Mayfair?

Speaker 2: Not being alone?

Speaker 6: Maybe had to guess? Were you there? An hour? Three hours,

ten minutes?

Speaker 2: I don't know, We're not that long. Well, probably a

couple of minutes.

Speaker 8: All right?

Speaker 2: And then where'd you go back to her house?

Speaker 6: How'd you get there?

Speaker 3: Wa?

Speaker 6: Who went with you, just me, just you. What did

she do?

Speaker 2: She stayed with them?

Speaker 8: Okay?

Speaker 6: Who have the baby? After that?

Speaker 2: Her mama she had what took back to my mom too? Well,

my baby mama took her to her to.

Speaker 6: Was her mama somewhere else?

Speaker 4: M hm?

Speaker 2: She again of work?

Speaker 6: Where does she work at?

Speaker 2: Think at the hospital? To cafeteria? It's like a heart.

Speaker 6: All right, So you went home? What time you think

you made it home?

Speaker 2: Well? Where all the state of so?

Speaker 5: Well?

Speaker 2: Like five or six?

Speaker 6: Okay? So what did you do in between that? I

went to Washington to Warrington? How'd you get to Warrington?

What route did you take?

Speaker 2: Right down about Jackson Street?

Speaker 6: Okay?

Speaker 2: Where I got me from that? Like that long road

go down?

Speaker 9: You remember what you're wearing?

Speaker 6: Yes?

Speaker 7: Or that?

Speaker 2: Yes?

Speaker 9: All day?

Speaker 2: Well? I had socks and my Jordy's color, your Jordans

eight weeks.

Speaker 9: All brown rank?

Speaker 6: Now what you go down to Warrenton for? Just to go?

Speaker 2: Well, I'm really trying to pay basket. Well, but wasn't

nobody at the park like that part by watching middle school?

Speaker 8: Mm hmmm, I.

Speaker 2: Don't know if WI.

Speaker 6: Do you know anybody down there?

Speaker 2: Yeah? People usually go to go to the Waunching when

they go down there and pay basketball sometimes who didn't

have to pay?

Speaker 6: How long does it take you to walk that far?

Speaker 2: Like goodly many? Because it's like it's a long walk

with ill was on a bike, it'll be fast.

Speaker 6: So how long you think it took you to get there? Yesterday?

Speaker 2: Probably twenty third? Makes?

Speaker 6: Would you stop anywhere? You just went straight down there?

How long you think you were down there?

Speaker 2: Day? Oil? Rich that day?

Speaker 6: Okay? What time did you make your way back?

Speaker 2: Wound? Like six or seven? And then where'd you go

back to my house? Your baby in mama's house?

Speaker 8: Okay?

Speaker 6: What time do you think you made that you made

it back over there?

Speaker 2: Like eight?

Speaker 6: Did you meet up with anybody along the way?

Speaker 2: Huh? And her cousin?

Speaker 6: Okay? Anybody else? You stop anywhere along the way? Okay?

Did you make any phone calls or anything along the way?

Speaker 2: Calling to house on the way?

Speaker 6: You call who? Okay? And then I guess would it

be fair to say that you called her from this phone? Okay?

Do you know her number off the top of your head?

In your phone? What's she listed as?

Speaker 2: That's a regular numbers?

Speaker 6: Do you have her saved in? There's any nave or

anything baby Mama, any kind of picture or anything like that?

All right, how many times you think you talk to her?

Speaker 2: That's how I talked to her? Was before? I want

to watch then I call on all and come back

phone once?

Speaker 6: Do you think that that would be in your phone? Still?

That phone call?

Speaker 2: That should be okay?

Speaker 6: Do you remember getting any other texts or anything like that?

Speaker 2: Well, hop from other people when they use my phone?

Speaker 6: Mm hm, who do you think you used your phone?

Speaker 2: This boy named season on the boy named Fans.

Speaker 6: Caesar Advance. Now where'd you meet up with them at?

Speaker 2: No? I never watch them?

Speaker 6: You're warring to?

Speaker 2: How do you know them from school? It's just all right?

Speaker 6: What are they the same age as you?

Speaker 2: Well? No, Vince is like sixteen, another borough like eighteen?

One of them. I just know him from the boy Vince,

I don't.

Speaker 7: Know like that.

Speaker 6: What's fences last name?

Speaker 2: Winchester?

Speaker 6: Now how long you been knowing him for?

Speaker 7: Like?

Speaker 12: Ll?

Speaker 2: Really?

Speaker 13: Now that long?

Speaker 2: I used to go to school with him, aout Warrington.

Speaker 6: Oreington Middle School. Have you stayed in touch with him

since then?

Speaker 5: No?

Speaker 2: He just got out?

Speaker 6: What was he in for?

Speaker 2: I don't you really know?

Speaker 9: Stay off of the program summer or yourself.

Speaker 2: Right, he's in the big thing you count.

Speaker 9: It's Bence Waychester.

Speaker 6: What does he look like?

Speaker 2: He's short and black. They muscle up a little bit. Well,

he bigger than me.

Speaker 6: What kind of hair does he.

Speaker 4: Fro?

Speaker 6: Is it a big frod? Through?

Speaker 2: Medium?

Speaker 6: Medium? Where does he stay.

Speaker 2: On the east side? I think, well, I don't know

where he.

Speaker 12: Been standing at since he was out, but you knew

how to stay on the east side. And now, Caesar,

how do you know how from vinced?

Speaker 6: How long have you known him?

Speaker 2: Really? Not that alone because he'd been locked up for

a long time too. He just got out, all right,

mhm h man Ago, he's in the program where he

was in accounting first. I guess they sent to a program.

I don't know.

Speaker 6: How old you think he is.

Speaker 2: Roll seven. We're one of those wh I think he's

older than me.

Speaker 6: Okay, if you know where he stays, he.

Speaker 2: Says something I warranted.

Speaker 6: What's his last thing?

Speaker 2: No, he really ain't Dimitrius dimitrious. Well, I don't know

what his last I don't know his last name because

people really call him the season.

Speaker 6: And what does he look like?

Speaker 2: He likes it? He's got kind of black hair like

mine is low.

Speaker 12: Is he tall?

Speaker 6: Skinny?

Speaker 2: He told me he ain't that skinny. Well he ain't skinny.

He's like a buffalo figure.

Speaker 6: Okay, so here's maybe more built. How tall I think

he is?

Speaker 2: Like five? Some f R five six, said one of those.

But I know they're talking by.

Speaker 6: His how sorry?

Speaker 2: Oh fire yeh seventh arstin.

Speaker 6: Do you recognize this person?

Speaker 2: I seen him Tano.

Speaker 6: You've seen him at t A? When did you see

him at t A?

Speaker 2: Hm? I haven't seen him in the goodlt Maybe I

know him though, and then well that's not the person

I'm talking about. Season. He likes me like my color.

So this is somebody else named Caesar else.

Speaker 6: And you know him from t A. You spent a

lot of time at TA.

Speaker 2: Not really.

Speaker 6: When's the last time you think you were out there?

Speaker 7: Right?

Speaker 2: The day before yesterday?

Speaker 6: The day before yesterday? Okay? What time do you think

that was?

Speaker 2: Like one to two and there after?

Speaker 6: Okay? Where were you at TA? Whose apartment? Where you at?

Speaker 2: I just be out there?

Speaker 6: How long do you think you were there?

Speaker 12: For?

Speaker 2: Like five or six to there?

Speaker 6: You know, five maybe five hours something like that? Okay,

do you remember what part you were.

Speaker 2: In I died to be it.

Speaker 6: Boy, she's kind of walking around just kind of socializing.

You know a bunch of people out there. Well, Ka,

do you have any problems with anybody out there?

Speaker 2: Well, sometimes I have problems with them, mhom damp him

and the people that he'd be with, like who, But

I don't know Caldeve there like game breakers and stuff

like that.

Speaker 6: So you said that yesterday you saw Caesar and vinced somewhere.

Where was it that you saw him? Okay, Now, if

you need to get a hold of them, how do

you get a hold of.

Speaker 2: Them Facebook or Facebook? Well, if they own Facebook, what

are they on Facebook? As j.

Speaker 4: Mm hm?

Speaker 2: The other boy name is long Lil Tree. Which one

to which, well, Vince is his name is VJ and

the other boy's names long wheel Tree VJ.

Speaker 6: How does he is it spelled some funny way like

v or something? How do you think he spells it

v J?

Speaker 2: A wow? I think yeah, wid.

Speaker 6: VJA anything else to it?

Speaker 2: And then the other one is what, well we have

a tree on Facebook.

Speaker 6: When's the last time you think you talked to them

on Facebook?

Speaker 2: Might block? When I got back from.

Speaker 6: Watching yesterday or another day okay, what'd you talk to

them about?

Speaker 2: And then dad as that I make a home see

mm hmm.

Speaker 6: Now whenever you send them a message? Did you use

your phone?

Speaker 2: Well, ma'am, how'd you talk to them? Facebook?

Speaker 11: Might be mumbo sold love her phone? What's your girlfriend's

first book present?

Speaker 2: Jovina Betties?

Speaker 9: So we talked to her, said she want to have Facebook?

Speaker 2: Let me go look it up?

Speaker 6: What do you go buy on Facebook?

Speaker 2: Keep mind, Watson?

Speaker 6: What does everybody call you?

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 8: Okay?

Speaker 2: What else? Just that a right doing?

Speaker 8: Okay?

Speaker 1: So you go down to Warrington, then you make your

way back. When you come back from Warrington?

Speaker 2: Where'd you go to her house?

Speaker 6: For her house? Okay? When did she come home?

Speaker 2: She came home before she was still with her cousin.

Speaker 7: M h.

Speaker 8: Who's this?

Speaker 2: I know him?

Speaker 8: How do you know it?

Speaker 2: Or Facebook?

Speaker 6: Or Facebook?

Speaker 2: And I went to school with him too?

Speaker 6: Where'd you go to school with him?

Speaker 2: The Global?

Speaker 6: When was that?

Speaker 2: That's an elementary school? But well or for third grade secondary?

Speaker 6: Have you seen him since then? And what's his name?

Speaker 2: I know there's nat name Chambers. H. People be telling

me his name?

Speaker 6: I don't know what who's telling you?

Speaker 2: People that I'd be waiting to.

Speaker 6: What would they be telling you? Do you think about him?

Speaker 2: Mm hmm?

Speaker 6: Do you ever talk to him on Facebook? Are you

all friends on Facebook?

Speaker 3: Oh?

Speaker 2: I think so?

Speaker 6: When's the last time you talked to him on Facebook?

Like I did the day ago? What'd y'all talk about?

Speaker 2: Like you just tasting them for?

Speaker 6: What?

Speaker 2: Could I be with people that be playing with guns

and stuff?

Speaker 6: Okay? So why would he text you?

Speaker 2: Could I be like getting on like you know how

the thing is so feasible, it's like your story thing.

I get him there and I'll play with guns and so.

And he asked me if I'm selling him or something,

you know, I'll be like it now lives.

Speaker 6: So when do you think that was? Was it yesterday

or the day before?

Speaker 2: Listen?

Speaker 6: What time was that?

Speaker 2: Mm hmmm? Don't you.

Speaker 6: Do you still have it?

Speaker 2: And what.

Speaker 6: The messages?

Speaker 5: Um hmm?

Speaker 6: What happened to the messages?

Speaker 2: Somebody did leave it on my phone? Was face down?

Speaker 6: Somebody just went into your phone and decided to delete

your Facebook messages?

Speaker 2: Well, well this is where were that. He tested me

and asked me was I selling a gun or something?

And I was like no, on God now, But the boys.

I was with they was they wanted they test come back,

and was sending the pieces of theirs and jump.

Speaker 9: So you were with them with your phone, mister?

Speaker 2: Were they were really using I was just watching them texts.

Speaker 9: Okay, So you're with them while this tyson is going on?

Speaker 2: And I left, well my phone today we didn't. We

ain't got no phone. We're using my phone where people

were using my phone to you.

Speaker 8: So when all this is.

Speaker 6: Going on, where you all are texting, where were you really?

Speaker 2: I left when I want to see you?

Speaker 6: And what time do you think that that was?

Speaker 7: Roll?

Speaker 2: But break after? I told him, being my most company,

our probably sad party, wonders?

Speaker 6: Was it dark out? Okay?

Speaker 9: Soups a little bit lighter?

Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

Speaker 9: Okay, you're doing good. Keep going.

Speaker 6: Here's the thing. I mean, you've never been in trouble before,

you've never even been arrested before, and now you're in

here and you know why you're here.

Speaker 7: Mm hmm.

Speaker 6: I mean, this is not the time to try to

cover for somebody else for their bullshit, not when you're

sitting here handcuffed to a table and they're not. You

have but baby, mama, you have a what your old baby,

and you've got to think about them, and you've got

to think about yourself because you've got your whole life

ahead of you, and you've obviously done something right to

avoid getting arrested for this long. So you're not like that.

You're not supposed to be changed at this table, but

here you are, and now it's time for you to

start getting right and telling us the whole story and

stop making us try to drag.

Speaker 8: It out of you.

Speaker 9: Just not doing a very good so a line.

Speaker 6: Your story is all over the place. And let me

tell you something. We didn't just find you today out

of the blue, Okay. You know that we didn't just

drive down Border Street and say let's go fuck with him.

It didn't happen like that. Something led us there, Okay,

So you know we're not full of shit here. You

know why we're here?

Speaker 2: How scared?

Speaker 6: I know i'd be scared too. But the only person

that can help your situation.

Speaker 8: Right now, it's you, okay.

Speaker 6: And the way that you the way that you can

help yourself out of this is by forgetting all that

shit and start telling the truth. Because there's a good

chance that we already know. Okay, you know we know

because we found you today. So it's time to start

talking about how Crag came over there.

Speaker 2: All right, That's what happened. He was testing me about

a gun that I really didn't have. I was fused

to meet up with him while I didn't them the boy,

Now I gave you. They went and I went home,

and they met up with him.

Speaker 6: I think.

Speaker 2: I guess they fussed top trade and do something, but

I don't know. I wasn't there. I'll be even.

Speaker 8: I appreciate you.

Speaker 6: Finally coming playing with that part. Okay, I did, but

I think you're still holding back. In fact, I know

you're still holding back. You got to remember something. There's

a video.

Speaker 8: At TA.

Speaker 6: There's video at the warehouse right next door. There's video

at the store right out front of TA. There's a

video across the street. And there are people walking and

driving all over the place. There's people everywhere.

Speaker 2: Well, you know what I'm saying that I don't go

trade him, but I ain't really have one. It was

like a B B gun or I saw and then

I told him about it, and they was like, well,

all right, so let's go uh there, But I ain't go.

I stayed back there while they went out there.

Speaker 9: Mm hmmm, where'd you study at inside?

Speaker 5: Yeah?

Speaker 2: Where towards the back you got to gate take a ride,

you go all the way down? No, yeah, it's not

always get all the way in the back. It's like

you to wash the room. Then that building right there,

then the building behind.

Speaker 9: Okay, so you made that ride I the room that building.

Are you saying that apartments ride or something?

Speaker 2: What it's on this side? So you passed, you know,

like you know the big field of the park at

that building right now, but not that one. It's the

one behind it. Well yeah, behind it the end. It's

like that apartment. It's like in the middle upstairs, downstairs, downstairs.

You know you started silent. They're born in tai.

Speaker 9: That was the last line. Morris Morris Morris and I

think one of those those boys are related to him.

Speaker 2: We all just know each other from school. And that

them two boys the game, DJ and Dimetrius. They came

they came back running into th a telling me what happened,

what all happened? What had what was going through?

Speaker 6: What did they tell me?

Speaker 2: Life? H somebody that he was with things like it

was it was they see him and two other people

he was like with the driver he did something and

he said he shot him on an as who said

he shot him things too. One of the fro you

know short black Remember what he was wearing on, something

like a white T shirt, thank top T shirt and

a T shirt broll kind of paints black black pants

and white T shirt. Mamember what the matrices wearing? He

had some? Yeah? I know he had some short song.

It's some all black shoeses. I think, yes, I want

back shoot color the shores. Um hmm. I think it

was Jean's usinos, one of them dark. What I think

it looks like it?

Speaker 5: M hm m hm.

Speaker 8: M hm m hmm.

Speaker 6: Do you reckonize?

Speaker 8: So who's that?

Speaker 6: Beyond time? Beyond? Do we have a figures? Just thenisial

nut right there for me? And it is six six

twenty eight if you put the day, don't there for me?

Speaker 7: H this.

Speaker 2: Zero six six twenty eight?

Speaker 9: It's fine?

Speaker 6: So whose idea was it?

Speaker 2: Yes?

Speaker 6: Was either one of them more responsible for it? Which

one demul chers.

Speaker 2: That's something that you know him to do, because he

kept he kept more bushing my head up and do

it And I was like no, so they him and

that boy next they were not there. I ain't go

I would just say that's what sixteen sixteen and Demetri's

so like eighteen one dogs, seventeen sixteen or eighteen you

know where they stay out there? Do they stay out there?

Speaker 9: In tier? Where they stay?

Speaker 2: I know you need to mistake watches or the next

and on the east side?

Speaker 6: So how they end up in tha mikes? Did they

come with you? So was the whole thing about going

down to Warrington earlier that day? Was that all a

bunch of bullshit? Okay?

Speaker 2: We left watching and went to ta I stayed out there,

but what y know, what's you Groway? She left shut

the tea at all? She was closed by a close,

my belty.

Speaker 6: So what was the deal with the gun? You said

it was a baby gun? And what was the arrangement

going to be?

Speaker 2: He was to trade them for it.

Speaker 6: And he was going to trade them?

Speaker 2: Mhm.

Speaker 6: Has he ever met them before?

Speaker 2: I think? So?

Speaker 6: When did he get them?

Speaker 2: We all used to Publsh school together.

Speaker 6: Now, how many times did you talk to Craig on

the phone about this whole thing?

Speaker 2: Not really month that boy, and we Chase have my phone, so.

Speaker 6: Not really that much or not at all that much.

How many times do you think that you talked to him?

Speaker 8: Was it on text?

Speaker 6: Was it on Facebook?

Speaker 2: Text?

Speaker 6: Texts? And what were you all texting back and forth?

Speaker 2: See we said why no?

Speaker 12: What?

Speaker 4: Oh?

Speaker 2: Because he kept on he wanted to trade trade them,

he kept on calling my phone.

Speaker 7: H m hm.

Speaker 6: How long were they playing this?

Speaker 2: A long time? Like like you said, a couple of days,

A couple of days that's been.

Speaker 6: And when you say a couple of days, do you

remember what.

Speaker 7: Day it was?

Speaker 4: Oh?

Speaker 2: Man, it's like every like every time I see him there,

ask me about it.

Speaker 6: Because I mean, here's the problem. I mean, all of

this communication is going on between you and him. He says,

he's only dealing with you.

Speaker 2: I ain't go look down, don't you or not down?

Speaker 6: No, I mean I'm not talking about that. He doesn't

say that you were there for all that. So you're

good on that.

Speaker 8: H m m hmmm.

Speaker 6: But he's he's talking to me on the fact about it.

Speaker 9: Is that right?

Speaker 2: Black for a little many.

Speaker 6: How many times do you think you've talked to him

on the phone?

Speaker 13: Right?

Speaker 2: One time?

Speaker 6: One time? And where do you think that was.

Speaker 2: Close? With dark time? Dark Time?

Speaker 6: Was it around the time that this happened.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked the phone one time. He kept on

my phone off, but I want any own answering, like

one time.

Speaker 6: And when you answered, what'd y'all talk about?

Speaker 2: He was telling me to meet him? Why didn't meet him?

Them to me, they do to meet him because they

was the one that was really fussing to the trade thing.

So No. Two went out there and I stayed in

the back with him.

Speaker 9: They bring a gull back. Yeah, just sitting together before

they went out there. Mm hmm, what that sounding like?

That back?

Speaker 2: They was one of them and my boyfriends was like,

he was like, I shot him. I shot him. I

was like who he ain't like the driver like d

I ain't got nothing to do with that. So I

after I had my left and I went and I

went to my bad over my house. They kept on

telling me to come up there. I was like, no,

but I ain't going. All we understand how but you

knew beforehand what the deal was. I were gonna go

out there and jack and round, but I ain't know

they're gonna do that. I thought they was gonna do

a little trade thing, but I guess not. I herd

with shocks make shots. I don't like it two two three?

Speaker 6: What the girl looks like?

Speaker 2: It was like stiff, see what black?

Speaker 6: And where did it go from there?

Speaker 2: I don't know. I think he ran with it when

he left the left somewhere and I was looking for

him because they had my phone. I mean, you didn't

know they were going up there to kill him?

Speaker 9: What you thought it was?

Speaker 2: There was just gonna go over them rob right, Yeah,

well where I really thought he was gonna do the

trade thing. And I ain't know all that was gonna happen.

Speaker 9: Come on, I mean, you made it this far. You

know you have them. You gonna hit the boy up.

He's talking to you.

Speaker 13: You two boys that were with you were sitting there

and say, oh yeah, yeah, get that guy come over here.

Speaker 9: I mean you knew what was up.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but I ain't know they gonna do all that

I thought they're gonna do to the trade.

Speaker 9: Dang right, you.

Speaker 13: Knew that there's gonna problemsch You didn't know that they

were gonna murder him. I mean that that's understandable. Surely

you didn't think they were going to kill the guy.

You had enough sense to stay back to the house.

I mean, bad things happen good people. I mean you've

kept out of trouble. I'm not trying to say you

a bad dude, but I mean bad ship does happen

good people. And I mean you just got caught up

in the middle of tonight with two nuncleheads. You know

they were gonna go robbing fools. I mean, that's stupid

coming out there. I think nothing happens Oakwood good after dark?

Do you know where they went after after all that

shit went? Now they come back to the.

Speaker 9: Farm when they don't. Yeah, they let them come back

to the apartment. Where did you mean him at?

Speaker 2: I went, I ain't. I wouldn't get my phone from

the person that had they had my phone. He gave

him sorry, which was who the boy did shone? He

got my phone from them before they left, and I

was I had I wasn't win them. I was still there.

They all they came back right now and got they

bikes and they yells and they had my phone. So

I walked.

Speaker 13: So they left out like Kwood on their boss house.

It's not boss like being x Box mountain back or.

Speaker 2: One of them was the mountain bike.

Speaker 9: One of them was like beach Curism. Yeah, so beach

Creser on the Mountain Boy Beach Cruiser.

Speaker 2: Was like red Gray Gregs and Greg you remember which

one was on whischt Board Metrice he was on like

the Mountain BikeE the Vices on like the Beast Cruiser.

Speaker 9: I'm like, listen, did you remember Dimitris last night?

Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 13: What they called him on the Straight Season and then

the other boys Vince? Do you remember his last name?

Speaker 2: Winchester? Winchester?

Speaker 6: H may you are from them since then?

Speaker 12: M hm?

Speaker 6: They haven't called you, texted Facebook anything?

Speaker 2: Yeah, they called me?

Speaker 6: When did they call your.

Speaker 2: Twenty minutes later? What was sort of they were asking me?

Was all right, I'm like, yeah, what are they calling us?

Mm hmm.

Speaker 6: Hm where number did they call you? From?

Speaker 2: Message?

Speaker 6: So it's like the Facebook calling or something.

Speaker 2: Which mam okay in a shoot very well, who says fits?

Speaker 6: That's fits?

Speaker 9: How are you know about.

Speaker 2: Six myles? Cool? See it's greatful. So so he's been

knocked up for like eleven months.

Speaker 9: Five years about five years of ant hill.

Speaker 2: So yeah, school, Yeah, where he been like that for

a couple of minutes. I haven't been talking to him.

Speaker 9: Right, his name down on theater. If you know the

lives he signed your man?

Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

Speaker 10: Now what was Vn's wearing the T shirt and some

back it's a slide okay. Was that the white T

shirt or the yeah, white teacher?

Speaker 6: And when you saw them after that?

Speaker 2: Damn?

Speaker 6: What did he say he did?

Speaker 2: He was like, he shot, he shot the dragon. Well

whoever got shot, that's that's what he said.

Speaker 6: He shot, Okay, getting right on there, six twenty eight.

Speaker 11: Hmm.

Speaker 6: Do you recognize this person?

Speaker 2: He's not that though. This is real brother, that's who

he's like. Up, he had a big brother. That's his name.

This season a good one, na.

Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

Speaker 9: That's not the season that you know.

Speaker 2: Het up. This is Big Logan.

Speaker 6: Reckon. That's this person.

Speaker 15: Yes, that's SAE season Big season long, you know the

season since sixth grade five sexuation. Yeah, he's been like

the from so he's the one that was worth.

Speaker 6: Can you ride on there? The name you know him

is yeah, sign your name? Who else was there? Whenever

they came back that heard this conversation.

Speaker 2: Just me and hang me on.

Speaker 13: You know you crossed up on your stuff front, all right,

so we need backs in from the house. They come

back to the house, but they just didn't go back

side sign. Okay, just hanging around outside.

Speaker 9: And take y'all. Hear all us?

Speaker 2: I see.

Speaker 9: He outside.

Speaker 2: He's my han on. We keep on the where on

the ankle monitor? You can't go nowhere?

Speaker 9: We'll So he fucked up for h I.

Speaker 2: Think about that's the probabased.

Speaker 9: So everybody else stand outside, so let's just see you

stand out there.

Speaker 2: He did him out. The tired man came outside and

I was telling him that they what they had did,

what they came and told me what they had did.

He just telling me just to go before they think

I did.

Speaker 6: Now, how did you get out of there?

Speaker 2: Wow?

Speaker 6: Did you walk out the front gate? Or did you

climb the wall, the wall, the side.

Speaker 9: Wall Market street like the back road to get by yourself?

Speaker 2: Mm hmmm it's that little boy. I know that we

out there.

Speaker 9: I saw your camera.

Speaker 8: I saw your camera, so I can pick you up.

Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

Speaker 2: Right halfway then they pop and they walk recently.

Speaker 6: Super bike or somebody else's fike somebody else.

Speaker 2: What was the bike I felt on the work road track?

Speaker 6: You remember what it looked like?

Speaker 5: Mm hm?

Speaker 6: Where did you leave it at?

Speaker 2: My baby on my house.

Speaker 6: Is it's still there.

Speaker 2: I shall Yeah, I can quit have for somebody to do.

Speaker 5: M hm.

Speaker 4: Hm m hm h.

Speaker 7: M.

Speaker 6: I mean the problem is m you know him, You

been communicating with them. He told us all about it.

He said he called you right before this happened. Yeah,

and he spoke to you and you knew he was coming.

Speaker 13: Well, that's your saving grace. You didn't know they were

gonna go around there murder of the morning they kiptain. Yeah,

they're killing That's why this is astute investigation. I'm fucking dead.

Speaker 2: I ain't know that I'm gonna do that. I thought

they were gonna do a little trade thing. I didn't

say he go, do I know they would follow that

watch some couse. I ain't. I know, I ain't doing it.

That's why I get told you gave names. I want

to get got the whole family mine for a live

but not like this.

Speaker 13: Yeah, you know what would have been the right thing

to do? What yo, Let me talk to somebody and

tell them what just happened, instead of us having to

run you down trouble to get you.

Speaker 2: I ain't gonna be killed me.

Speaker 13: You know I got shot. Then we gotta go through

all this mass drag it out of me. You want

to play games for the first minute, Hey, I understand,

I understand.

Speaker 2: I probably thought I think I did. I don't know

what I think.

Speaker 9: That's not what they said. That said it's two of

the ones that do face.

Speaker 2: Were mm hm.

Speaker 7: H mh.

Speaker 16: You recognize that picture. Yeah, the people in the picture

that's not that Stop. What's bench is like?

Speaker 2: He is shortened than that. I think he had his

shirt on with At least you had some shots over

when the boy's supposed to go there and buy some

weed too? Work? Greg, you know I'm crazy? Well no,

then we just want to be a trading thing.

Speaker 13: Don't understands trade thing with God, And I don't understand

that you are some fire you out there to trade loone? Yeah,

the trade you don't make no sense to me. The

understand if they can't giver there and buy one.

Speaker 2: Maybe see they have one and he had one. They

for the switch he fuzz to give him, not only

he forgive him now big mhm switch him out.

Speaker 9: Okay, they tell you what happened, what what side was?

Speaker 4: What mhm?

Speaker 2: He was like, whoa where the picture? H he was

like he was like he was like he didn't want

to give it up. He didn't want to give me

the gum because like, gone, they have a ship.

Speaker 9: Yeah, he didn't want to give his up for a

piece of ship. Yeah, so what you can happen?

Speaker 2: Lining So he was like he he was like he

shot the drop when he shot something. Well, the person

that died.

Speaker 6: We keep saying driver, Yeah.

Speaker 2: I don't know, I say that. Yeah he said that.

Which one said that thinks?

Speaker 7: Oh yeah, mhm.

Speaker 6: When I go through your phone, there going to be

anything else in there that you want me to know

about right now before I find it out? What I'm

not worried about. Don't bring that stuff. I don't care about.

Speaker 2: All that I'm talking about relating.

Speaker 6: To this incident.

Speaker 2: We've looked through it.

Speaker 6: Are there going to be text messages.

Speaker 2: Between you and those boys?

Speaker 6: Mhmm right before this happened.

Speaker 9: Hey, I got liak.

Speaker 13: I'm telling if you tell it that, because you know,

we can pull all the deleted messages and stuff off

your funnels.

Speaker 9: That's what's going to happen.

Speaker 2: We're go.

Speaker 9: You the dole shut up.

Speaker 13: Should be easier sitting here and talk to you about

what we can get your honestly and stuff that. Yeah,

he wants to do the right thing. He was scared,

but he maned that. He came out of every way

out for us instead of let me distance myself. Was bullshit,

tell what you want here that we go out there

and downwad your phone?

Speaker 9: Where's some other?

Speaker 2: Well, after they did what they have to do, I

guess they didn't the messages off my phone messages not

missing the phone, but I was texting him O messenger,

what about it? I ain't gonna lie it. Yeah, he

was like the boy Craig whatever the name is. He

was like tasting my phone on callby. So I tested

his phone and he was just showing me the gun

and to so uh like they were like, yeah, we'll trade.

They were like, yeah, telling you a trade. I was like, man,

I so they told me to do all that, set

all that up. So I did there. I guess they're

supposed to do all that. I guess it was. Well,

I ain't gonna plan as they planning. I guess I

was testing them. I was telling her yeah the trade,

I wasn't trade. They were they really well really they

they whole look set up for you, Craig. They wanted

the gun very bad and they were bushing my head up,

telling me when they're doing.

Speaker 13: The harvestly want you thank me? That they had ship

and he wouldn't trade. What's that other stuff? And at

what point did they tell you that they're working type

of ship?

Speaker 2: They came back and then like he didn't want to

give it to me, give it to them.

Speaker 9: You know what kind of got out of the Craig

Hill who I know?

Speaker 2: It was all black m hmmmmmm and it was like

h like that m. He sent me a picture. I'm

not sending the picture into the one they had and

he's like, yeah, we can trade, get traded. At first

he was telling me to me, he was telling me

to come meet him at the breakfild, but I ain't go.

They went instead, but they didn't go to the break fil.

I guess they came to t think. Then they came.

They came out there running like he didn't want to

get it to him. He didn't want to get tom

trying to He shot. He said, he shot, h.

Speaker 9: Yeah, Spencer or Caesar's cell phone number in your phone?

Speaker 2: Then they phoned down.

Speaker 9: Is that what everybody does?

Speaker 16: Now?

Speaker 9: Let's get Wi Fi ship there some messages and call

that away.

Speaker 2: Yeah, don't want to use my phone my phone with

the other person or on the phone that really be on. Yeah,

how they phone and then get around like Wi Fi

someble and then connect to him and every.

Speaker 13: Phone, text message to their phone and actual phone when

they do have service. No, are they in your contact

with us? Vincent or Demetrius or whatever the hell do

they go by?

Speaker 12: No?

Speaker 2: Sure, I see, hmm I wouldn't. I just want what

I want might be with my family. Mm hmmm. We

can go through the continents.

Speaker 9: Well, so if you're being honest and save us the

trip having to go through all this ship.

Speaker 6: You know, you're saying that they were turning to you up.

What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2: The town to come pump pump, Like you know, they're like,

you're scared. You're scared. Why guy was scared of You're

like just telling me how to come good trade? You

can trade, and I guess that we're not down. I

guess he didn't want to give it to them.

Speaker 6: H I mean, I guess the problem I'm having with

it is that if you think that it's just a trade, nothing.

Speaker 2: Really fussed to be, Why ain't gonna they gonna do

all that.

Speaker 6: Why are you worried about staying behind?

Speaker 2: And what you mean to stay behind?

Speaker 6: You didn't go with them.

Speaker 17: I didn't because you knew what was up You knew

what let's get ready to do. It wasn't a secret.

That's why he's stayed back, because you didn't want to

no farther of that bull ship. So I always say

it was discussed before they went over there. What was

up right, wasn't no trade. They were gonna take them. Motherfucker.

Speaker 2: Yeah, did they really? They really want to train? We

didn't really go.

Speaker 9: That's the way it was set up to be.

Speaker 2: We can't get this over here.

Speaker 9: The trade guns, we're gonna trade.

Speaker 2: But that wasn't the deal.

Speaker 9: They were gonna take it. Give me your gun, give

it up right.

Speaker 13: So what you passed to it was a trade, that's

what it was getting there, But the intention was to

take it right. This is a robbery, giving y'all shift.

Speaker 6: You're a smart kid, so you hang back because you

know the mad you pick you up.

Speaker 2: Either way. I know, I know I can go down

for it because I've said it, you know.

Speaker 6: I mean, sometimes good people make bad decisions. Would it

be fair to say that you made a bad decision.

Speaker 2: Very bad. Now I'm let not get out.

Speaker 6: Okay, I mean I was true.

Speaker 2: You did lot too.

Speaker 6: Scared everyone, Absolutely, you're scared, and you should be. It's

like I told you from really any of you didn't

know that it was going to happen this way because

it really wasn't meant to happen this way. But the

best thing that you can do for yourself.

Speaker 4: I can do.

Speaker 6: You can you can, okay, because this isn't over well,

I want to see. It has everything to do with

what you say from here on out. Okay, look at me.

I want you to look at me. Okay, and remember

that I told you this. From here you're on out.

You tell the truth, don't beat around the bush and bullshit,

just tell like okay, and that's what's going to help

you out. Okay, you made a bad decision, you got

mixed up with the wrong people, but you're not a

bad person.

Speaker 8: Okay.

Speaker 2: Ain't know all that was for hero That's why I did,

and we don't think he did. I thought that you're

gonna do the little trade things. I guess not.

Speaker 6: Well, but I mean, like we discussed before, it wasn't

just a trade.

Speaker 2: They're really just fussed to take it from him.

Speaker 6: What did they say they were gonna do? How was

it supposed to happen?

Speaker 2: Well, it's a really fact that happened. They were telling

me that takes him because the boy he got, he

be like he began on Facebook and just posted guns

and stuff and here, and they'll be like they're like

you know him. I'm like, yeah, why they like, tell

him to meet you cause I won't good gun. I

watch a good gun. So I did that. So I

told well, we all we left for Warrington, went to

ta I was out there chilling for the day. But

first I was at the pool. Then they came. They

came on their bikes after I came from watching from

the pool or my cousin. They came like later that night,

around like seven or eight. Yeah, I'm saying, and they

chased me. He was like, they like you chilling them?

Come like no, they like you scared? Man, you scared me.

I was like, I ain't got me scared of money.

I'm just thinking smart and he was like, man, you scared.

So I just let them getting on my head and

just let them quick trip chip my brain. And I

told him to come and he went out there, but

let's seeing go out. You're playing.

Speaker 6: Man.

Speaker 2: He came came out there. He was like, he shot

somebody in the car. I don't know who he was.

He said he shot somebody. I heard the shot. It

was like two or three. I heard it. And they

came back around. Now they got your bikes and they

left like I think they went towards the back. They

had my phone. So I left and I went to

go get my phone from the boy. That's they like coach,

and Arias was like, it's like in a circle to

get my phone. Then I came back to Ta stayed

out there for a little because I went to my

cousins and bring me the bike so I can go.

Then I was just out there waiting there, waiting and

I left, not wanting to go on baby Mama. And

then soon I got so when I got there, like

I was outside, talked to her stud daddy, just talking,

not about what happened. We were talking about old stuff

like then they called me when I got in the room.

They like they're like you all right. I'm like, yeah,

I ain't doing nothing, no like y'all y'all all right,

They're like, yeah, no, like that. J'm crazy, and they

were just saying like it wasn't there, but it really

was that. It was like, Noah, I wasn't there. I

wasn't there. He was the main one boosted my head.

Speaker 12: No.

Speaker 2: Right then this one Caesar, and he wanted to done bad.

What if he wanted for un He kept all talking

about when I get out there, I'm tacking keating the stick,

I'm gonna take the stick. Yeah. I was like, what

all do then? I ain't know what they're gonna do

all that we're shooting that jump. I thought they gonna

chick the gun from but I guess.

Speaker 6: H do you know those white boys at all? You

never seen them before?

Speaker 18: Okay, I just no, craive, all right, is there anything

else I need to know? You saw everything that you

told me. It was the truth, the whole truth, and

nothing but the truth. Okay, sit tight for me, you

mean anything?

Speaker 7: Yeah?

Speaker 2: Okay, hold on with that sitting, hold on without sitting you.

Speaker 6: I don't know that answer right now.

Speaker 2: Ok Now you've listened. Now go to your thing