Killer Thinks He Won't Get Caught For Murder But Made ONE Mistake
Killer Thinks He Won't Get Caught For Murder But Made ONE Mistake
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night until the night before, and she didn't really say,
oh lot. She was just so worried about going to
the court and find you know, just going to court.
And then that morning we got up. I made a
cup of coffee. I made her some coffee. She didn't
drink any. I hugged her, told her about her but
there was going to be okay. Ten o'clock, went back
in my room. I'm gonna take a nap for a
couple of hours. Woke up at twelve thirty. I went
to the kitchen, trapped.
Speaker 2: The gatorade, went back to my back. I'm gonna take
a shot. We'll give me some lunch. Oh.
Speaker 1: I just didn't even know if she was there, because
you know, she was in her room. The cast wasn't
around or anything like that. Normally she's her cat Mama
looked out.
Speaker 2: I just cracked the door at one of the lot.
Speaker 1: Before I went into my shower, and you can see
just there's this a crack there where you can see
if her car has parked or not. In the blinds,
I saw her car park there. I thought, oh, maybe
she went to dinner with her brother or.
Speaker 2: Sister. Her dad.
Speaker 1: Went in, took my shower, got all clothed, came back
out bot my door, turned around and saw her face.
So I ran immediately pulled her out, put her to
the side, and performed c p R. So while I
was doing that, there's a guy across the street. I
didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: I just help when you walked outside exactly where she was,
because when we got there, I just.
Speaker 2: Had to draw a six shows once for all. Sure
they got there, Okay.
Speaker 1: This is a little pond area. Yes, her thanks this
on ther burse was in there, and her keys were
in there. Here's my door. I ran, gotcha. How was
her face when you ran up to her? Where was
her face?
Speaker 3: Was it face down? Was it sideways?
Speaker 2: It was face down? I believe he was just only
what about like that? Just mh. I'm sorry, this is
why we're Is that some really horrible?
Speaker 3: I know this is thankful, but this is what I need.
Can you describe to me how you went about pulling
her out?
Speaker 2: Girl pack for share, She turned her over, got her
on her sigh.
Speaker 1: I kind of moved two ribs a little bit and
water started coming out and I looked at her face.
Speaker 2: Sar, lips were blue, so I turned her over held her.
Speaker 1: Note I don't do a CPR. I saw some people
across the street on the screen helped me. He started
doing the impressions. I'll start until the end. It's got
there probably fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: So then they were got her for a long time.
Dryer seats.
Speaker 1: I found the face on the bottom. This one was
waded up on the top. Yes, one was on the bottom.
Speaker 3: And what am I looking us?
Speaker 1: It looks like, okay, when was it?
Speaker 2: When did you got Yes? I know because I can
read this when I remember when that happened when.
Speaker 1: She says this had a black eye and she was
with my that was her boyfriend at the time. That
happened before I had moved in. She had a bike
rick and ended up being a big black eye.
Speaker 2: And you moved in when I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: When did you move in? I was six seven years ago,
so this has been a while back. That's the one
I didn't know. I know that was a long time ago.
Did you show this to the officers that day? No,
I just found it last night.
Speaker 2: Read that's where you found it? In the bottom of
that track. Yes, did you understand food or that I
thought it was talking about in the bottom of the driver?
She bucks, did you.
Speaker 4: Said, no, no, no, no, no, I just said, I there,
my whole house is totally.
Speaker 1: Trash, but I still have to empty my trash, clean
my bathrooms, and.
Speaker 2: Do all that other So when I I pulled that.
Speaker 1: Blue trash canal, I emptied all those driver sheets into
my full my kitchen, and I saw staff on the
first so.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Oh, now that was before I moved there, and then
that was wadded up underneath.
Speaker 4: That's a long time ago, seven years. This was a
long time ago, that's what. Absolutely, we don't have a
clue in.
Speaker 2: That one was. No, this was a long time ago exactly.
Speaker 1: But she got a notebook right by, Like I said,
she writes stuff down all.
Speaker 2: There is a notebook at it right now. I have
no idea. I really don't. I'm sure they got it.
Speaker 1: But there that note book was in I think her
room whenever the officers went in and do the whole
sweep of everything.
Speaker 2: So she said that same notebook for seven years.
Speaker 1: Probably she's got Yeah, you have no idea, but well, the.
Speaker 4: Reason why I ask is to me and it appears
to be from the same like this is rich obviously,
it appears to.
Speaker 2: Be from the same notepad.
Speaker 4: Right, she's got a time This one was seven years ago,
and then I don't know when that one, right, But
we need to know, I'm sorry, we need.
Speaker 2: To know when.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so the note pad, where did it normally sit in.
Speaker 1: Her bedroom or normally out back in her bedroom? She
just wrote down stuff like a little diary sometimes.
Speaker 4: Is there any chance that you found this anyplace other
than the trash can?
Speaker 2: You're trying to protect anything privacy or anything, you understand.
Speaker 3: I would ask that a rabs what do you think
happened after all that?
Speaker 2: I think that maybe she's.
Speaker 1: Embarrassed about her family, because her family means everything to her,
I mean everything.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what the verdict was or that
might have something to do with it. She had been
in jail, she had a thousand dollar five I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, but I think she went to that possibly
went to that pond, and just it's something stupid, like.
Speaker 3: What mh.
Speaker 2: Mhm, mhmm.
Speaker 3: Do you think she's trying to drown herself? Are you
saying that you think she drowned herself. I don't know
what she did.
Speaker 1: I hate to think of that after seeing you know
everything in which she's being the last few weeks.
Speaker 3: Well, you know her better than any of us know.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I try to help her in every way, shape or form.
I'm trying to tell you all them, and sometimes you
just can't help somebody. It's already reached to a point that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I tried to help her every way
I could, every way.
Speaker 4: But you specifically said that she may have knelt down
by that pond.
Speaker 2: And did something stupid.
Speaker 4: So this so it's your kind of show is conditioned
by something stupid. What do you think she was done?
Speaker 2: I hope that she didn't commit I think how that's
like laying in the I don't know, I guess laying
in the pond.
Speaker 4: I mean, you realize how already would be for somebody
to drown themselves lying.
Speaker 2: So what's the toxic collegeship anything in her? You know,
she is my best friend for a long time, a
long time. It's hard to live at that home right now.
Speaker 1: You know her cats, that's that night there's cats are
didn't walk around.
Speaker 2: Why is she communicate with you or.
Speaker 3: You communicate with her during the day.
Speaker 2: That day that all I text. You can see that.
Speaker 1: I said, how's everything going on? Are you okay? Give
me a text that's on my phone. That's the last
text I sent to one bubble that a bout the
time I went to bed about ten to three.
Speaker 3: You guys, what did she say nothing.
Speaker 2: To That's nothing to text about. I never got nothing about.
Speaker 1: Even when I got up at twelve thirty one, I
look to see if there's still nothing, So are you saying?
Speaker 2: It was ten thirty ninety one, And I'll try to.
Speaker 1: Text ret least make sure everything's okay once the day.
Speaker 2: You know, she just had a lot of stuff going on,
you know.
Speaker 1: The main things she couldn't never get over with, and
even her family knows that is she had a two
year old son that they were out partying with her
ex husband. It happened in Georgia, and she let him
have the boy and they went on a canoe trip
and he ended up drowning and he didn't.
Speaker 2: Find him for a long time.
Speaker 1: And anytime she ever drank, that was almost the first
thing she ever brought up, Jason. That was tough for her,
y'all whoever you know, and she's like, hey, cooler, she st.
Speaker 2: Flipping me off.
Speaker 3: Got she and their impression was that they they couldn't
come over because you told her that you didn't want anybody.
Speaker 2: I've never ever told him that. I've told her. I've
never told her that.
Speaker 3: Did you ever have discussions about you know, this is
our house. I don't want people over here.
Speaker 2: I've never ever said that. I've been more than welcome.
Speaker 1: We had them over for Thanksgiving, for Christmas, or dad
over for barbecues. Never told her that. I'm sure they
would like to think that those girls would. I'm sure
they really would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they felt there was some emotional stuff going on,
meaning that you controlled her, didn't let her go out
and do stuff.
Speaker 2: I have people coming over. I have no control her.
I told you what she did. She went out and
she did her thing I had.
Speaker 1: The last thing I would want to do is trying
to control that, because that is I mean, she abused
me for all those years.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Just the perception I got from listening to them was
that you were in love with her, and that you
were in love with her and I loved her.
Speaker 1: Yes, as a friend, and I always told her that
you're my best friend and I loved you. And there's
a difference between a lover and somebody as a friend
that you love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was never my lover. Terry was a very
private girl.
Speaker 3: But they all just they all really believe that you
are a couple. Why would they think that.
Speaker 1: I have no idea because we never were. Maybe unless
Terry might have said something that she dreamed up.
Speaker 2: We never had.
Speaker 3: He and the sons, they really thought they were a couple.
They really did. Just that disconnect got between I've never
there was a couple with her ever, never ever described
to me what you mean.
Speaker 2: But you really loved her.
Speaker 1: I loved her as a person because when she was
kind and nice, when she wasn't drinking and getting belligitate,
she was a good person. You know, she helped people,
She loved kids. But alcohol took over her life. That's
just the bottom line. Alcohol literally took over her life.
Speaker 3: Did you ever argue? Did you ever argue?
Speaker 2: Now? She used to yell at me. I would go
in the bedroom. The last thing. I'm not a confrontational person.
Speaker 1: Some of these gets their worked up by drinking and
just gets being angry.
Speaker 2: I'm in the bedroom. I got my door closed.
Speaker 1: But I could still here. You know, if she'd get
pissed off, there'd be pans banging, you know. I just
she was an angry person. You know, she just was
an angry person.
Speaker 3: Other than the time you called the police.
Speaker 2: What the hammer?
Speaker 3: Was there any physical altercations? No?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. No.
Speaker 1: I got off work. I was supposed to got off
at seven. I got off at six o'clock the day before,
is what I was telling you, because she got some
crazy text. It was like from some sight she thought
it was me. So I got off the next day.
I didn't even get my work clothes off. She comes
flying out work. She's smoking her cigarette. I mean, I
walked just through that door and I had.
Speaker 2: The hole in it, just walked in there, and she's like.
Speaker 1: God, yeah, I like, whoa, whoa, said, give me a second,
what's going on?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 1: But she already reached the point where she was belligerent, drunk,
you know, and when you look into that person's eyes
and her beligerate dropt her just.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So I went in the bedroom, started taking my clothes off.
She opened the door, kicked the door, open and she
was trying to I had my belt sitting up there,
so she grabbed my belt and she threw.
Speaker 2: It at me. So I tried to dodge, ran back
by my bed and I was like to the head
of my bed. I said, please, Terry, please stop, just stop.
Speaker 1: She threw a water bottle at me, so I grabbed
the water bottle, set it on the bed. I said,
please just leave. So I started walking. I just wanted
to try to get her to go out of my room.
Speaker 2: Hit me, knocked my.
Speaker 1: Glasses off, and I'm ready to go down and take
my glasses off. She tried to kick me in the face.
So finally I just scootered her out of my room.
I mean it was hard, you know, it was hard
to do. Closed the door and she was pushing the horror.
Finally got the door closed, locked.
Speaker 4: It and sat there and thought, when was that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I think it was that? Was that Juli? Okay? So
July then?
Speaker 4: So so I got pictures right, But I think the
point is right. The question he asked was does the
ever get physical between I never got physical, but she
got physical with me. Understand that what you just described
is that y'all's relationship got physical, So.
Speaker 2: It doesn't nd that at that point it did. Okay,
So that was this question, has it ever gotten physical? Right?
And and there is a difference right between you going
attacking her, are you defending yourself if she attacking myself? Okay,
there's the.
Speaker 4: People thought that you were controlling him her besides just
the sister. The sister described on time that she came
over and was complaining about you controlling her verbally, verbally
abusing her and being.
Speaker 2: Controlling over her, and that her aunt is a lie.
Speaker 5: Her aunt had a bruise on the sister believed that
you harmed her.
Speaker 2: Never touch her. I'd me to put her listen. Offending yourself.
Speaker 4: Is a plausible reason, right, So if she had were
to have a if she's swinging punches at you and
you're carrying those punches.
Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody.
Speaker 1: She hit me in the face, not in my glass.
She said you were blocking and no, she hit my face.
My glasses off when she threw the water bottle.
Speaker 2: I was doing like out and that type of stuff.
Speaker 4: But understand that if she has a bruise on her arm,
there's a difference betwe.
Speaker 2: You blocking her punt up you or grabbing her by
on a cause and she had sematna. You know what
that is? I do.
Speaker 1: She can barely touch her arm on a cat and
she's got a bruige just.
Speaker 2: Bide I've got a bad case that.
Speaker 3: She's So I had a question in eight years of
living with an alcoholic that is verbally abusive and doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Didn't start out that way though, that's the whole thing.
It didn't start out that way. She eventually just kept
on and on until she's kept drinking and became that alcoholic.
Speaker 3: So my question is, in the years i've done a
police officer and had to respond to people's houses, it's
had to deal with someone that gets argumentative and high
rate when they during there's times that they'll come at
them and they'll just have to grab them and hold
them until the police get there, just to get them
to come down.
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that, and.
Speaker 3: That seems very common with someone like that.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that because once I think she kicked
the door, I mean once the door was down, she
finally I thought she.
Speaker 2: Was kicking the door.
Speaker 1: So once that final hammer came right through and I
could see, you know, and I had the officer on
the phone listening the whole time, and he just told
me to get out.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about in pageers you live together. I understand
and know completely about that incident with the hammer.
Speaker 2: I have no relation years.
Speaker 3: There's never been an incident where she's going to met
you and you had to hold her to keep her
from hitting you and said, I'm leaving. I'm not dealing
with this.
Speaker 1: Good night of that hammer. I didn't hold her nothing.
I just scootered her out my door, closed the door.
Speaker 2: And locked it.
Speaker 3: When the neighbor came into the yard to help you
do the CPR.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when he was in a neighbor though
he don't even live there. I think he was doing planscaping.
Speaker 3: He lives around the corner. He lives around the corner
with the guy that was calling the trailer.
Speaker 2: The black picked up the trailer and an Oriental wife.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, he lives around the corner from you.
Speaker 2: What was he doing sit right there?
Speaker 3: They stopped because they were checking making sure the trailer
was all right, and they had dogs and something in
the car. I thought they were doing normally, when you
pull a big trailer, you pull out the yard, then
you go just over there. You know, I ard a
mile and nap off again.
Speaker 1: I was to make sure in my mind I didn't
screaming at him to help me. That's all I wanted.
Speaker 3: When when y'all were doing the CPR, you you talk
to him, Do you remember what you told him?
Speaker 2: Oh? I was so I don't even know. I might
ask him why this? You know, why? Why do I?
I was just yah, all right?
Speaker 3: The reason I said is because he said that you
went inside to take a shower and she was going
to get cigarettes.
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
Speaker 3: You told him all what that was? How you didn't
know what happened to her? He just came outside and
there she was.
Speaker 1: What happened is what I told you. Originally I don't
know what he's talking. I thought it was cigarettes. I
have no idea because that did not happen, and that
statement should have not even happened.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 4: What's cigarettes? Is what statement?
Speaker 2: Shouldn't have happened? A cigarettes and say nothing about cigarettes.
I told her.
Speaker 1: I came out, looked at the car, turned back around,
and that's what happened. And as you can see, as
heavy as that statue was trying to scoot it over
to get out of the way. It fell over and
broke into two pieces. So when did you try to
scoot that?
Speaker 2: As soon as I got saw her, I mean right
in the way. I mean I couldn't pull her out
unless that statue got out of the way.
Speaker 1: So I scooted it out of the way and pulled
her out, put it on her side.
Speaker 2: Got you.
Speaker 3: The next question is, yesay, was it yesterday.
Speaker 2: You brought me in the this note? Yes, sir, I
don't know when that was written. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I do know when you know the other one was,
because I just know I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: I don't have no idea when that was written.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go over the note again.
Speaker 1: Where did you locate this note in that blue trash
can right by the dryer?
Speaker 2: I was going to you going and tell everybody I'll
know yours. Well.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you writting it to us because you know
it's information we needed to read.
Speaker 3: Blue trash can by dryer.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And all that trash was in the trash can, that
was in that white bag in the trash can that was.
Speaker 3: Right has listened to I need you to be very
honest with me, okay.
Speaker 2: So I understand that.
Speaker 3: You feel that she committed right, but this wasn't in
the little trash can in the dryer, So I don't
I want you to be honest with me.
Speaker 2: And if that was by the dryer, there's no doubt
in my mind.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to don't try to change my
word or anything that was with the.
Speaker 2: Other as the dry at chief and they had some hills.
Speaker 4: On the barb with listening. He's not changing his words,
he's not changing yours. He's describing you this note. You're
not being truthful with us about.
Speaker 2: How you located this note.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 2: I needed to know why.
Speaker 4: I think he's about to show you pictures of why
we're saying what you're what we're saying.
Speaker 2: This was the crime scene photo the day it happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they went inside and they found that.
Speaker 2: And the rest of it I found in the trash.
Speaker 6: So whether this or this is the exact same note,
identical note down to the.
Speaker 1: Little hill, Yes, Well, like I says, I found that,
I don't know what. I don't know what anything else
about it. I found that note and this note. That's
all I found.
Speaker 2: Becca.
Speaker 3: I just need to know where you found it because
at this point, after she had passed away, was in
her bedroom, still in the minder.
Speaker 2: Exactly how did I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know those were the type of notebooks she
laid around though, That's what I was telling.
Speaker 3: You, because she did note I understand that, But that
doesn't explain where I found it.
Speaker 2: That might have been at the cream crime scene photos.
I found it and it's ripped.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just found that. It has no idea telling you,
I have no idea. Do you recall the context that
you gave this isn't it? What do you recall the context?
And you gave us this.
Speaker 3: Note We were discussing how she died, and you pulled
this out and you.
Speaker 4: Said she committed, You got your wallet out, you did
this and another it's.
Speaker 2: The paper own nose man, right, I found them, and
I don't know how all that happened. Pull that back up.
Speaker 3: Please, we know you found it, and it's okay that.
Speaker 2: You found it. We just you're saying I'm not being
honest with you because it's not possible read the part
that is ripped off of it.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, what does it said? It's just okay. Maybe
it doesn't help, they said, God, Yes, so she's.
Speaker 2: Going to do this, maybe I should cat myself blah
blah blah, and then then the Jason died. All I
can tell you is I found you understand what I'm saying.
I understand completely. But all I can tell you is, so.
Speaker 4: You removed the part, so you included the part where
I'm going to kill.
Speaker 2: Myself, and then you removed the part where it says
and I never. I did not touch nothing.
Speaker 1: I found those in the trash. I am telling you,
honest to God's truth.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't make out that happened. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Her family was in there cleaning stuff out. There is
a lot of stuff in there. I don't know what
happened with anything.
Speaker 2: So the way that we should go with this investigation
is that the family pulled this note out I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, ripped the part of Jason I had no idea,
into the blue trash can and laundry room, removed all.
Speaker 2: Of the garbage out of it, put this and that
other note in the bottom, and then put this.
Speaker 4: What I'm telling you is that it is very important
for you to be honest with us.
Speaker 2: Okay, I did not I'm trying to be honest with you,
I didn't, except for nothing explains that note.
Speaker 4: Getting in the bottom of that trash can not the
way that you want to appear.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't understand what. I totally understand.
I don't know. I don't get it. You got somebody
that it happens, and I don't get it. Does she
tell you that she wanted to die a few times?
Does she ask you to help her? Oh my god, no,
and I would not even think about that. That's sick.
Something happened, absolutely, and all I can tell you is
I don't her man.
Speaker 3: I think something happened that day. And whether it was
accidental or whether it was intentional, Oh no, I think.
Speaker 2: I think you know what happened and nothing. No can
tell us what you.
Speaker 3: Why, why it happened.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You can justify on its great, but we got to
understand why this happened.
Speaker 2: I understand that. I don't. Oh I do.
Speaker 3: She's an angry person, she's a violent person, and you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if not her son, her son can't.
I will not like that. I would never listen. I
may not have had a choice. Oh no, I'm not
that person.
Speaker 4: Man, You're not the person that will defend yourself and
an accident of yourself.
Speaker 2: No, there's no accident like that. Oh my god, I
test merger Man. She's not if you're defending yourself. Oh no.
If she's a feeble that happened old night of the
hammer and person nothing at no other time that ever happened.
Would you agree with that statement, she's feeble, old and angry.
Would you agree with that? I would agree with that
and crazy.
Speaker 4: Her son, who loves her very much, who is a
detective in Georgia or whatever.
Speaker 2: Her son said that.
Speaker 4: She would be the person that would go and confront
anybody about anything. That's the way she was, especially if
she was intoxicated, and he knew her to be intoxicated
a lot, exactly right.
Speaker 2: So there's no doubt about a lot of what has
gone on there. We're not doubting that she was intoxicated.
We're not doubting that she could be made as hell
when she.
Speaker 4: Was intoxicated, and we're not doubting that she would attack you,
and in.
Speaker 2: Many different ways.
Speaker 4: It's proved by other incidents, including the hammer incidents.
Speaker 2: But I would never ever. Here's where we're at. Here's
where we're arrestive to her or anything.
Speaker 4: I can promise you that here's where we're at. She
was killed, and somebody killed her.
Speaker 3: She didn't drowns.
Speaker 2: No order her lungs, there's no order in her sinuses.
Speaker 3: She didn't drown.
Speaker 2: She didn't drown. What's the toxicolity report? Breath?
Speaker 3: There's no toxicology.
Speaker 2: You don't do that us? What or no way? I
did not do that. I found her.
Speaker 7: But you guys are trying to I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: If you have evidence, We've laid the evidence that we have, absolutely,
and I deal with you. We're gonna find either your
fingerprints or DNA on that vehicle. We're going to We're
gonna find your DNA.
Speaker 1: Probably not kill a bottle whenever you see what I'm saying, Yes,
do whatever you gotta do.
Speaker 3: What I want to know.
Speaker 2: Is the explanation, right if we want to If you're defending.
Speaker 4: Yourself and an accident happened, oh no, if she if
she came to you and.
Speaker 2: Begged you to help her or something like that, If
anything like that happened, absolutely not.
Speaker 4: The Only way that you survived this is for you
to be completely honest with us.
Speaker 2: I understand you're the only one at.
Speaker 3: The house and you having problems together.
Speaker 1: Oh I did which go out and pull her out
of that freaking pond.
Speaker 2: I don't know, understand, I'm totally so we have we
have your conflicting story, okay, I conflicting your story. So
what you told a guy who doesn't even know.
Speaker 4: You, doesn't even know her, doesn't know anything about you, guys,
he came there to help you when you asked him
to help.
Speaker 2: You told him he has no reason to lie to us.
Now you told him I did. She did y'all be
in the house. She had just let to go and
get cigarettes and you had to take a shower. No,
I didn't, that's what he said. I don't care what
he said. I did not so age telling that yell
to help.
Speaker 4: I wanted help, That's all I can remember yelling at
him help.
Speaker 2: I didn't need help. He came over to stuff on
her chest. I gave her CPR in her mouth. That's
all I ever said to him.
Speaker 1: I didn't say nothing about her going to get cigarettes
or anything at all.
Speaker 2: She went to court, she came back from court. Something happened.
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea I found her what happened before
you found her?
Speaker 4: Did y'all have a confrontation in the front yard and
then you go back inside?
Speaker 2: And I realized that something happened. Man, No, because we
can see on a video right through the yard. We
can see a confrontation. Oh you cannot show me. We
show confident. We could go conta.
Speaker 4: No, that's not I'm not don't that's maybe happened.
Speaker 2: But nobody did that. I didn't do it. Nobody did that.
I just went out and pulled her out of a
freaking pond.
Speaker 3: She got cut steh rape so r arms, She's got
bruises on the back of her neck.
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, now it happened, went out fixing it.
She got out of the water. I don't know, but
they were entire but her shirt. No, he told hers.
She pulled her up, shirt, pull her out, pulling her
down like this. I was scared to death, man. That
the thing is, she was Wow. She died and she
didn't die on her own.
Speaker 3: Somebody did this to her, According to the Mira, of course,
Landskip pull up something.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of lividity? What lividity? Have you
ever heard of lividity? Lviidity? Have you ever heard of it.
Lividity is what.
Speaker 4: Is present in a body after it has been dead
for a while, right, and it becomes present Oftentimes the
longer it's been there, the more blood pooling will be there, and.
Speaker 2: The more lividity lines you'll be able to see. Right,
do you understand what I'm saying? So like, if you
or I I.
Speaker 4: Had sit in this chair, right, our blood would pool
in these areas and in our feet and those marks
that go along with that or whatever.
Speaker 2: Her to his lividity, right, So she had lividity in
her body the time that she died.
Speaker 4: They know that because blood stops pumping when her heart
stops pumping all that fat of stuff.
Speaker 2: They know that.
Speaker 4: So she she was dead for a while when you
found her.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: Because I don't know what time she got back out.
Speaker 2: Of her cord thing. I have no idea, But I
know if we came out there, man, we do. We
know all of that. We know when she went and
visited her father right after she got out, yes, and
then we know when she got back to the house.
We know that there she came in the house. I
don't know that she went in the house. What are
you talking about? I'm telling you when she got back
to the house. We know when she got back to
the house.
Speaker 4: Okay, right, the camera footage that we're looking at, we
can't see the.
Speaker 2: Front door of the house. Do you understand what goes? Okay,
but we can see the front yard. Yes, so we
know she came home. We know that some sort of
confrontation happened in the front yard.
Speaker 4: And then we know that she died with who, And
then we know that we know that about approximately about
an hour, hour and some minutes later is when you
came out and you started doing CPR.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. Yes, that's what I do.
That the confrontation was with you. That's why we're trying
to understand. There was no guirenation between me and her whatsoever.
Speaker 5: Man, what I think over you know what I think
that happened. And she came home from visiting her father.
She hauled into the driveway. We have all those statements.
We know that she was going with a purpose.
Speaker 2: She was not happy.
Speaker 3: She just come from court from something that you had
her lunch.
Speaker 2: She was I think she was coming to attack you.
Now she win.
Speaker 1: She came over and committed what I think she did
because I had no confrontation with her.
Speaker 2: All I did, I know you keep hearing this is
I went outside and I pulled her out of that.
Speaker 4: Freaking except for somebody kill her. And they killed her
a certain time before half an hour to an hour
probably before she she died, before you started trying to
resist the wrong guy, man, because I nobody else pulled up, and.
Speaker 3: You said you were the only one there.
Speaker 2: I knows what I do looked out the door. I
have no idea if anybody pulled up. I can't hear
number one. You know, if somebody pulled up or whatever.
I looked out the door.
Speaker 3: We know nobody pulled up, or we can see that
nobody else came over.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say, man, because I did
so telling you learn over what I did.
Speaker 4: Hey ed and the centerpopsoil over card right, was collected
a bunch of notes this year.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how any but for several days,
maybe in.
Speaker 4: Weeks of and she's writing down about how veryly abusive
you are, how scared she is to go home or
all that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That is, I didn't write the guy.
Speaker 1: That ridiculous because it didn't happen I was the one
getting yelled at, and so I was only going into
the bed.
Speaker 4: If I go and do like a handwriting analysis on
a thing, it's not gonna be hers. One thing on
those notes she wrote, oh might have been hers, But I.
Speaker 2: Did nothing to do to cause her that.
Speaker 1: Well what?
Speaker 2: And she wrote, crap down?
Speaker 1: And all the time she always talked about craziness. She
drank all the time. So when she always talked.
Speaker 4: About craziness, what kind of craziness?
Speaker 1: Just a couple of times herself, I don't need to
be here, you know.
Speaker 3: Just so she went crazy on you, and you did
what you did, And I'm trying to understand.
Speaker 2: Wow, now you did not the fight or was it? No? No, no, no.
You better get those films ready, because that I did nothing.
All I did was what.
Speaker 1: You saw in that film, pull her out. And if
you saw you call, it could tell.
Speaker 2: How I pulled her out. It's on my thumb, it's
on my phone book. You show something. But I believe
At twelve oh two, she returned from.
Speaker 4: Seeing her fall up and when she got got into
the yard, she came up and.
Speaker 2: Was ready to fight and confronted you. No, no, no, my.
Speaker 4: God, no, we have witness statements from the neighborhoods.
Speaker 2: You don't have. You can't. There's nothing, all right? Do
you want me to finish my statement.
Speaker 7: Or do you want to say I'm trying to tell
you what I'm telling you have bad statements from the
neighborhood of her home, around the corner turning onto uh
the road, off of Vista, off off of Longway, running
off the damn road, up into the grass, getting back in.
Speaker 2: There, getting in the driveway. Like with the herbists, how
they said that might have with the Purfu is not right.
You're right, that might have been a purpose, and I
guarantee it. I what purpose do you think? I don't know.
I think that she was coming after the person that
made her have to go to court on though she
didn't she I didn't see her until I pulled her
out that water. That's the bottom line. I did not
see her. I saw a car sitting in the drive
at one o'clock when I came out.
Speaker 1: That's when I saw her. There was no confrontation. She
didn't say there's nothing.
Speaker 4: We had writings from her in a center of console
that'll go over many many days.
Speaker 2: Right over. That's lie many long, steady period of time, right,
And they're not about it was not about anybody else.
They're aboute you, Okay, Right, I didn't afuse her. I did.
Speaker 4: But then other thing is is that you've only ever.
Speaker 2: Called the cops two maybe three times.
Speaker 4: Right, It's not like there's it's not like we're coming
out there for eight years.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do anything she wanted to do.
Speaker 3: And she pulled up at twelve or two and we
see an altercation taking place near the front door. Will
it's right there, and we just want to know why
what wasn't me?
Speaker 1: I can promise you that if you saw somebody there,
we've already asked you who.
Speaker 3: Else could have wanted to do something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, but it wasn't me. I can
promise you.
Speaker 3: We asked you who else was there, and you said
it was only you, and that you never left the house.
So it wasn't legging to have happened whenever you worked her.
Speaker 2: Going to all that. But understand, right, that angle of
the video that we're talking about, right, it's between a
crook of a tree. It's not like it's me looking
at you. If it was, you'd be in jail right now.
You know what I mean. But it's not like me
looking at you. But did you see her fight somebody
who's struggling. We see its struggle. We can see there's
a struggle. But there's no way that they came from
anywhere but the house. Yes, because I can see all
the way across front of the house.
Speaker 3: I can see her.
Speaker 2: Car way knowing this way you see. But I'm telling
it no way. You guys are trying to push something
on me. It didn't have it. All I did, and
I keep telling you is found her. We're trying to
get no truth.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I try to know anything anywhere.
Speaker 4: Now we'll get more collecting evidence, absolutely, but you're.
Speaker 1: Collecting or wrong if you think that I had anything
to do with scuffling with her, doing anything.
Speaker 2: With her, because you found some notes in her console
that says that we were I lead to each other.
We also have not We also have a melt vehicle
that has camera in it that came by too. We're
going to grab it and we're going to go. We're
going to do the whole thing, man, fantastic. We're not
going to leave any stone fantastic. But again, we're trying
to give you opportunity to tell your side of freeing storm.
I telling you so if it ends up me in
I keep repeating myself by telling but you understand that
if if for some reason it seemed like it was
a self defense thing. No, I think you.
Speaker 1: Understand that even some reason until I pulled her out
upon so there can't be no confrontation.
Speaker 2: There can't be nothing with me. I don't know. I
have no idea. I promise you I did not. I
didn't know what you're talking about. Man, We're not trying
to pin anything on you. We believe that you killed her,
and we're trying to collect evidence or I need to
get in the lawyer, I'll stop talking about that's what
you want to do. And that's so ridiculous, this absolutely ridiculous.
Listen to me as I've never heard of anything as we're.
Speaker 4: As we're investigating this right, we're going to collect DNA
from the vehicle and from other things, whatever you've.
Speaker 2: Got to do. I know you're just like you're trying
to make me safe.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make you saying I want all
this stuff out with all my did and I want
to keep telling you is pull her.
Speaker 2: Out of that pond real quick though, because.
Speaker 4: We're about to get out here, because you want to
damn lawyer, right, which is fine, that's that's your right
and that's what you got to do. But we also
are going to do we're going to collect DNA from
all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: Would you be willing or would you allow us to
get some overs whatever? Now my attorney says I got
to do. That's probably what I got to do. So okay,
questions are over. We got to work. Now you've listened.
Now go to your thing