Suspect Thinks He Planned The Perfect Murder

Suspect Thinks He Planned The Perfect Murder

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Speaker 1: Welcome to your top true crime hob for the variety

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Speaker 2: Enjoy. This is Eric.

Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric Sickers, protected with the University of Police.

Speaker 4: Okay, we are investigating the disappearance of missing.

Speaker 2: Because we are in my offices and it's.

Speaker 4: Late at night, I'm going to read you your advice

a rights our investigations. I'm sure D'll probably told you

is the disappearance of this woman, this young lady, and

the most viable tip that we had referred to a

black Saturn astra. So that's why he came to talk

to you other day. Do you remember what you told him?

And I'm not gonna hold you to it if there

are certain details you forget.

Speaker 2: So they came.

Speaker 3: They were just checking out all of the Saturn hoss

in the area and it's a pretty rare car so shortlists.

He asked where my wife and I were during I

think it was two to three on Friday, and I

was either playing video gamets, not computer or anything after me.

So I looked into certain things to try and see

if I could get some kind of info for an alibi.

I sent some texts around that time, but none exactly

between two and three. I let them come in the apartments.

They searched for stuff. I let them come in the car.

They searched for stuff.

Speaker 2: There.

Speaker 4: Would you graduate in Mester's and phtics in physics?

Speaker 2: Well that's smarter than thanks.

Speaker 4: I'm assuming that's over a to you have either Okay,

you said your.

Speaker 2: Wife was out of town.

Speaker 4: The guys mentioned something about Wisconsin. That correct that you

guys are originally from there or is okay? Do you

know what day she was in Wisconsin?

Speaker 3: Like late Thursday night, early Friday morning until Sunday even

But I'm sorry I may have missed her. Oh no,

she has a job already. She was on a vacation.

Speaker 4: Okay, I'm seeing some old friends open Wisconsin.

Speaker 2: So yeah, all right. You mentioned that you thought you possibly.

Speaker 4: Sent text messages between you know, the hours of two

or three.

Speaker 2: So you weren't able to find any. That's correct. Do

you do you recall any text messages sent that day

or where there? Yeah? There were one I actually left.

Well I didn't. They didn't look at the phone, and

I was showing texts on my phone.

Speaker 3: Like someone sent me a text at like thirty I

responded at like three, four.

Speaker 2: Five or something like that, so.

Speaker 3: There are texts around it. Yeah, maybe not not exactly.

Speaker 2: He was two and three, and.

Speaker 3: That's why I think I was probably lined down and

sleeping just because, like especially now, typically do stuff in

the morning with for jobs with you, and like, was

that kind of pattern of kind.

Speaker 4: Of looking for jobs, kind of having an older relaxation

after graduation?

Speaker 2: Was that typical the entire week prior? Yeah? Pretty much?

Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, do you remember specifically if you sent any

applications out online or if you visited any places throughout

the week.

Speaker 3: Throughout the week, I haven't done any in person interviews.

I had a phone interview on Thursday. And do you

have any questions for me before? Why am I under suspicion?

Is it a car or is there anything else? I

mean that's you know, a large portion. I mean it

is a very any car. Like I said, our search warners,

it's just for the car.

Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can, yeah, you know, look into it.

Speaker 4: We can, of course the set fine, and of course

you could also.

Speaker 2: Turn around and exonerate you completely. I mean, I'm a

very rare car.

Speaker 4: Yeah, but how long are we gonna tell you?

Speaker 2: Why do you undergrade there as well? No, I didn't undergrade.

You have in medicine. Yeah. I came here in twenty thirteen. Okay.

Speaker 3: I was initially in an HD program, but I decided

I didn't want the HD, so I just kind of

left the masters.

Speaker 2: I like the campus. It's all right, not too bad,

that's all right. Do you meet your wife there?

Speaker 3: No, we actually grew up in the same hometown and

didn't really know each other until any by school.

Speaker 2: So we both moved from Madison w I went to undergrad? Okay, cool?

Does she study or as well? Yeah? When we were

talking about Friday day in question on the night and

can you remember you said.

Speaker 1: You played video games all day on Friday. Is it

just between the time period that he's asking about, or

just literally all day?

Speaker 2: Literally all day.

Speaker 3: At the moments, not really hanging out with too many people,

are talking to too many people. My wife and the

girl I talked to, she was busy my website of town.

Speaker 2: So I'm on today. So yeah, to a cruise of

campus or anything I did on Saturday.

Speaker 3: But I mean, I think it'll start crazy. Just said

off our drive on Saturday. But I'll out to eat

or anything like this. Is no, I didn't want to eat.

Speaker 2: What are their vehicles? You guys? Ow we want a

two thousand Camaro as well? That's right.

Speaker 1: Look, you know that we didn't bring you all the

way up here. Let's talk about video games and once

you had launched that day? Yeah, why do you think

that we brought you up here?

Speaker 2: Because the car I own was seen picking up a

world that's missing? Yeah? Yeah? So who was driving that

car other than you on Friday night? On Friday? The

night it's you're driving your car on the night. Is

anybody else have access that cars?

Speaker 1: How many sets the keys when you have that car, dude?

And where were they on the Friday?

Speaker 3: I would have had one and hers Ron Wisconsin?

Speaker 2: Right?

Speaker 1: Yeah?

Speaker 2: And what do you keep on that keychain? You keep

those sets of keys?

Speaker 6: Right?

Speaker 2: One for the Camaro? But do you have separate sets?

I have one key chamber. Sometimes they take the American.

Speaker 1: Now let's talk specifically about Friday. Okay, you went to

school for how long the you mine.

Speaker 4: Since twenty thirteen, so you're very familiar with our campus.

Speaker 3: Not really, I never really talked to anyone, so you're

kind of a loner. Yeah, but specifically on that day.

Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you you originally told the agency came to

your apartment, they just went the games all they want

you leave the apartment.

Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's fair to say that we know that

that's not true. Correct, Why would I like, yeah, may

there's some misunderstanding.

Speaker 2: Why fire we're here because, like I said.

Speaker 1: We're not just looking for a needle in a haystack. I'm sorry,

let me take that back. We are looking for a

needle in a haystack. But my point is you're you're

making It's not like we're just we just randomly came

across your vehicle. Of the fourteen hundred ASTs that are

in the state of ALLAOI I have so so what

would have happened that day that brings us to you?

Speaker 2: Probably that I live in Champagne. I mean, I've never

seen one before, an astrona. So okay, I'm not well.

I believe me when I say that the full waiting

force of.

Speaker 4: The FBI is can descend on that vehicle. All that

tails Okay, right now, My primary concern and whip out

till midnight, and these guys have been out to midnight every.

Speaker 2: Single night, is we're trying to find this girl. It's

raining outside, it's nasty. She's a foreign students, only been

here for a few weeks. I want to find her.

I'm asking for help.

Speaker 3: I know I I mean, I've got her getting into

your car.

Speaker 2: I need to know why.

Speaker 7: Now it's time to bluff Brent. But they have to

be careful how they do it. They have already mapped

out what direction he would have come from and where

he would have gone. So now they need to make

Brent think they have him in his car on surveillance

cameras all over town on the day Yingying went missing.

Speaker 2: There's Brent. I need to know why she's getting into

your car, and I need to know where she went

if we can help her. We need none now because

we need to move on from this. It's been like

six days now, sorry. And you've been at the UBI

for how long? Three years?

Speaker 1: And that you know what we do. I work in

the Detexas grow growth the YI and you know what.

We have access to.

Speaker 2: Cameras.

Speaker 1: Do you think that we're not going to track a

vehicle all over campus. We controlled kiosks of bus stops,

we can look in buses, we can look in every building.

Speaker 2: Out on the street.

Speaker 1: And you're telling me that I didn't see you driving

your car on Goodwin that I didn't see you driving

down Wright Street and turning on right in front of

parking where everybody pays her tickets, and driving down University

to a good one and heading south and then you

see her standing on that corner in that shape tree,

didn't you? That's where you first saw her, and then

you turned you turn on Clark.

Speaker 2: And we still have cameras. I've seen videos. I didn't

see me. You've seen what we've allowed you to see.

Can I see this stuff that you're talking about?

Speaker 1: Do you think that we brought you up here to

show you video? We want to understand why you did.

We want to understand why you stopped.

Speaker 2: Through a picker up. Was it to give her a ride?

Speaker 1: Are you afraid to tell us that you gave her

a ride? Maybe even wanted to make a couple of

bucks as an Uber driver? And she told you I

had to go get I had to go sign a

lease at one North And you're like, oh, I know

where that's at.

Speaker 2: I'll drop you off.

Speaker 1: If you're afraid to tell us that you gave her ride,

someplace we can work with you there. But I know

that you picked her up.

Speaker 2: I know you did.

Speaker 1: I saw you in your shirt, arms well extended. Where

did you drop.

Speaker 2: Her off at? She was looking for a ride, she

missed her bus. She told you she was going on

one north? So where did you drop I had to

take a girl like I don't remember where? Okay, I

saw her picture. I don't think it was her though.

Do you remember the girl's name that you picked up? No?

She was talking very broken English?

Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us about what happened.

Speaker 2: What time of day was that?

Speaker 3: Early afternoon? I don't really remember, Okay, I was just

starting around. I saw a girl and she was very distressed. Okay,

so I stopped my car and looked at her, passed her.

She needed help her talk to it for a little bit.

Speaker 2: How much.

Speaker 3: I give her a short She was freaked out, got out?

Speaker 2: Okay, That's all I was.

Speaker 1: Was this when you got on the north side of

the roadad tracks on good one, when you went across

the university.

Speaker 2: And you drove on north you let her out by

the hospital or by the roadad tracks or where did

you let her out of? I just won't remember specifics.

Speaker 3: Was it close to where you picked her up? Yeah,

it was relatively close. It was in a residential area. Okay,

So I've never really been over there for reason too.

Speaker 1: H When you say she freaked out, what did what

did she do? Did she did she start throwing things

at you?

Speaker 2: Does she scratch it? It looks like you have a scratch

on the right bicep. There is that front I scratched my.

Speaker 1: Okay, so she just freaked out. So she's sitting in

the front passenger seat of your vehicle. Okay, Has anybody

else sat in that front passenger seat?

Speaker 2: Says she got out of the car?

Speaker 4: Probably I want to find this girl because I know

she's alone, scared out there, and we didn't have any

contact with her. So you said you picked her up. Yeah,

you went a couple of blocks away into a resident chair.

Speaker 2: And you remember if he went north?

Speaker 3: I went north for sure. I mean, so I'm serious

when I say I was. I'm pretty into social I

pretty just go to Loomis area, that parking out there

and go home.

Speaker 2: Okay, but I knew my.

Speaker 3: General area, and I don't remember exactly where I was. Okay,

where did you drop her off? That there's a residential

area I guess a little north of Loomis in the

same street. You picked her up from right the north

at that place. That would be good when avenue that

you were on.

Speaker 2: Okay, so and you're facing north. She her phone and

I was like broken English. She said, I'm going here.

So she was showing your phone like a match program.

Speaker 3: Yeah, and I saw it was north, so I started

driving north. She said something like turn left after a

couple of blocks. Maybe she said something else, because that's

really when she started freaking out and knocking out of

the car, out, trying to pulling the door.

Speaker 2: It's locked, the car blocks locked. Shut up? Does it?

We're in the streets heap. Do you remember? No? I

don't remember. Do you remember where she was wearing? No,

I don't. She got back back uh jeans?

Speaker 1: Did she have anything about her head? Was she wearing

some glasses? Did she had tennis shoes on her flip flobs?

Speaker 3: I didn't notice the flip flogs or high heels or anything,

so it was probably normal shoes.

Speaker 1: What was her ethnicity? He said she had trouble to

speak English.

Speaker 2: She was a shoes asient. What was what do you think?

How oll do you think she was? Was she? Do

you think she was a grand student? Undergrad?

Speaker 3: Was she IDUs was about twenty. I guess I was

about twenty. Her hair length is here. I have trouble

telling Asian people apart from well.

Speaker 1: You would remember this very specific though, because when you

pulled up to her, you rolled your window down. She

leaned into your car, so you were looking right at

her face. And what does she have on her face?

What does she have in her head?

Speaker 2: You were looking right at her. You don't remember?

Speaker 3: No, I mean even so, I taught many many semesters

here in a lot of the suits ras.

Speaker 2: What's she wearing glasses? Did she have a ball cap on? She?

She might have been wearing glasses. I don't remember that.

So why didn't she tell you?

Speaker 4: Whenever you rolled down the window when you were chatting

with her, he said, she looked distressed.

Speaker 2: That's my stuff.

Speaker 4: Humor specifically what she said to you.

Speaker 2: I asked her something home, h Which would she say

to that?

Speaker 1: Uh?

Speaker 2: She said I'm late, I need to get somewhere or

something like this.

Speaker 3: I was exactly out of it, which is kind of

like I'm going to help with her new person.

Speaker 2: So first, so she said she was running late for something,

and I was.

Speaker 3: Like, okay, well, you're right because I was just starting around.

Speaker 2: M hm. So did she say where she was trying

to get to and you mentioned showing me the phone

the associated a meeting with her professor.

Speaker 1: So if you would have turned left there after university,

you would have driven right by the loss.

Speaker 2: You would have been south of the tracks.

Speaker 1: And the very next thing you see, you're behind the hotel, right,

you see the hospital.

Speaker 2: And you said, I went to.

Speaker 1: A residential neighborhood, and she said, turned left like I'm working,

I know the area is very well.

Speaker 3: I don't think I drove past the hospital, so I

don't remember train tracks, but I mean super guests.

Speaker 1: But so where So you said you kicked her out

of the car, and a residential neighborhood.

Speaker 2: She got out in the car, so she got out

of the car.

Speaker 3: She wanted to get out, Like that's whyled her out

because she was freaking out.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's saying because you didn't understand, because you

she's she thought you took the wrong turn. Yeah, I

don't know something like that. So yeah, when she tried

to open the door, but again it's locks, it's my

card locks. I just wanted to get out. I'm not

going to keep sing.

Speaker 3: The girl in the car, who want to be in there?

I don't know the girl, so there up That was

less a sour. Really, guess let's start where you think

you picked her up at.

Speaker 2: That's a good question. Oh it's Lewis lab Is good Win?

Is there Green Springfield? So this is right here? I

remember driving around here.

Speaker 3: It's north of Springfield, so this has kind of in

this area maybe, Yeah, like over here, I remember being

by the quad.

Speaker 1: Do you remember driving by Rice Street where the little

circle k is and the big Beckman Institute That is

a landmark on University.

Speaker 2: I don't think I drew up past back then. That

doesn't bring up attle. I've been back on a couple

of times.

Speaker 3: I don't know what it looks like from the other side,

but I had to go there a few times.

Speaker 2: I guess there's a certain came right over here. I

don't remember that.

Speaker 1: You don't remember coming up Bright Street, driving across University,

coming down Goodwin, you see her standing there, entering that

shade tree. Lust up, you take that quick left and

ride a box around her. Now you come back up

north Goodwin and you pull up right next to her

and talk to her for less than a minute and

she gets in her car.

Speaker 2: She was at my passenger side, sud go this way again.

I was driving around a decent amount beforehand. I don't remember.

Speaker 1: Exactly where to go for Yeah, you were definitely driving

all over again, and you were by yourself, and you

weren't playing video games all day.

Speaker 2: So why would you tell us that?

Speaker 1: Why would you tell the FBI that comes to your

house and you were Saturday?

Speaker 2: I don't in the next of the days. I mean,

I thought I was doing this Saturday. So what did

you think that those two agents are at your house talking?

That's why? I mean, Friday is a day or Friday?

Speaker 1: Are They're there to ask you if you picked up

an Asian female and gave her a ride about Friday.

Speaker 3: I mean they were asking me about Friday in between

twenty three.

Speaker 2: So I told them, I mean, maybe I got my

days in this thing, I said a little bit ago.

I thought I was doing this Saturday.

Speaker 1: Legion father, tell them, well, I did, I played video

games all day Friday, a detective, but I actually did

pick up a female on Saturday. You do feel the

need to give them that information, and it might be important.

Speaker 4: I mean, all right, so you go northbound through University.

Where do you go next? Do you remember I turned left?

So it looks like I did go pest University.

Speaker 3: This must be the rest of it area I was

talking about then, So I must have went past.

Speaker 2: University, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3: So a little more than that, So I must have

turned left summer right here into this area, and that's

where I would drop from for sure.

Speaker 2: So it's just from you were showing the area of

Hill Street and was at Beesland.

Speaker 3: I don't know exactly where in here I was, but

I mean just looking at this, yeah, I mean if

this is a good when Springfields right here, I was

in this area here, I.

Speaker 1: Assume this is a residential area. Do you remember seeing

a grade school off to your right? Did you get

that far north where us L Martin Luther King Junior

High Elementary School right there?

Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm gonna ask a personal question. Don't

take the wrong way. He's you mentioned your wife on

a vacation with him in a friend You mentioned that

there's another guy she ain't that way. You mentioned there

was an ely you hang out with.

Speaker 4: You guys have a relationship, Okay, I have a girlfriend, she.

Speaker 2: Has a go friend as well. Okay, does she go

to Wisconsin with a boy or another girlfriend? Guy?

Speaker 1: How does that make you feel when she went away

for the weekend. That's a long weekend with that guy. Yeah,

and it's okay that those are normal human feelings.

Speaker 2: Did you feel hurt? Oh? Yeah, but I mean she

just incept for a while.

Speaker 1: But still she's your wife, and that's tough, you know,

even if you're in an open relationship like that, where

it's tough to see somebody you care about that you

love to go someplace else with somebody else and not

include you.

Speaker 2: And I get that.

Speaker 1: Man. Is that why you're driving around campus all day

pretty much all day long on Friday?

Speaker 2: As you missed her.

Speaker 3: In my head?

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's understandable. Stir Friday that Saturday.

Speaker 1: Did you talk to any other girls that day?

Speaker 2: No?

Speaker 1: Did you talk to any other girls on Saturday? Or

did you stay on Saturday?

Speaker 2: No? Once again, days mixed up? Yeah, when I was driving,

I'll put it. Wait. Then, when I was driving around,

she was the only person I talked to. Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 3: Yeah, if I recognized her, I would have told the

agents that came on Monday or Tuesday.

Speaker 2: Whatever it was, that was okay, like, because I nw

she was, I picked up an Asian girl. I boxed

her as watchable.

Speaker 4: So from there you went north on University. She was

trying to point out directions.

Speaker 2: In her phone.

Speaker 4: Yeah, he turned left into the neighborhood.

Speaker 2: She started paying. Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 1: We have six hundred Chinese students that have volunteered to

look for her. What I can tell you is that

we will find her.

Speaker 6: Now.

Speaker 2: When we find her is up to you, because you

know and we know that she.

Speaker 1: Didn't just get out of your car, So we need

to know where she is now so that.

Speaker 2: We can move forward from this.

Speaker 1: But if you may that she just got out of

the car and walked away, it's very difficult for.

Speaker 2: Us to move forward. Were you hoping for just kind

of like a quick trust with her or receiption, you know,

trying to kind of pick her up? I mean that

really nice.

Speaker 6: But do you have I'm gonna ask you a weird question,

and you know a lot of us have fetishes.

Speaker 2: How would you.

Speaker 1: Describe your relationship with your wife? Are you guys into

certain things?

Speaker 2: Do you like porn? Do you like.

Speaker 3: We're pretty them to look together? But yes, pretty much it.

Speaker 2: We have some stuff in her apartment. I mean, do

you have like certain types of people.

Speaker 1: You have fancies about that you might want to hook

up with, you know, particularly you know, well what missed about?

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever like you do, realize everything

and tell us. We fact check regardless.

Speaker 2: Of what you tell us.

Speaker 1: So like stuff like YouTube videos that you've seen regarding

Asian women? Do you like videos of Asian women? The

Korean women.

Speaker 2: Like Kate howk songs and stuff? I like? Okay, So

I like, all, okay, that's that's the truth. So I

don't have an Asian But something.

Speaker 1: Drew your eye to her because you recruits it all

over And if she was truly distressed, I mean, there

was an EPHO stand right behind her. She could have

push that button and got help. And she had asked

you for help, per se. She asked she needed to

get to she was late for something. And that's so

you offered you And I get that sometimes people why

to me.

Speaker 2: I don't get upset over that.

Speaker 1: I'll take you personal, but you and I know that

you're now what we're.

Speaker 2: Talking about, you're not going entirely and at this point

we're trying to help you. We're trying to help her,

We're trying to help her family. I don't think that

you're a bad person. Something happened, though, and something got.

Speaker 1: Out of control, and we need to know where she's

at because the longer she's missing, we're going to find

the answers to all these questions, whether we do it

now or we had to do it two weeks from now.

Speaker 2: But we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna.

Speaker 1: Put this behind us and everybody's gonna move forward. And

this is a time for you to be entirely honest

with us. She she her family is coming to China

to look for their daughter.

Speaker 2: So you do you have any sisters? Yeah?

Speaker 1: What wouldn't wouldn't if your sister was missing, even if

if it was because of you, wouldn't you want to

help for the closure, for that family, for you, for

your loved ones.

Speaker 2: Are you afraid? Are you afraid to tell me if

you did?

Speaker 1: Because it seems like you're you're trying to think instead

of just answering the question, You're trying to think about

three steps forward where I'm going with it. And I

think I've demonstrated enough, I've shared enough with.

Speaker 2: You that you know that I know. Now you've listened.

Now go to your thing.