Entitled Nurse Gets Caught Trying To Steal House From Dead Client

Entitled Nurse Gets Caught Trying To Steal House From Dead Client

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Speaker 2: Okay, So just again, I know we covered this at

the house, but I just want to make sure you

understand you're completely not under arrest.

Speaker 3: You're not going to be placed under arrest. Okay, no matter,

no matter what, well, I'm.

Speaker 2: Gonna tell you the truth. So I nothing to hide, perfect, Okay.

So I I try to be as accurate as possible, right,

So I just want to make sure I understand completely,

So you basically and correct me at any point if

I'm wrong here. Okay. So you basically you act as

your own kind of like self contractor per se.

Speaker 3: You get hired by Steven and you had you were

not working for a service back then, No, okay, so it.

Speaker 4: Was I mean I was working somewhere, but I wasn't

working for you know, like a home healthcare services.

Speaker 2: Okay, where were you working at that time?

Speaker 4: Oh?

Speaker 2: What is it? It was called?

Speaker 5: It was a it was a travel agency. Lord, what

is the name of it.

Speaker 2: Where's it at?

Speaker 4: It's an southfield on nine mile in right off eight mile. Jesus,

I forgot to do.

Speaker 2: That's okay, So you were working there. Yeah, Now, how

did you end up meeting Stephen? Uh?

Speaker 4: He came up to one of the facilities where I

was working at, Because you can kind of go from

facility to facility at.

Speaker 2: A travel agency. Yeah, okay, that's what you do.

Speaker 5: Okay, so let me explain to see what do you.

Speaker 3: Mean by Are you saying like travel agency, like you

booked tickets for people for airlant tickets?

Speaker 5: Are you saying no travel nursing travel agent?

Speaker 2: Forget me, I am really, I get confused.

Speaker 4: Let me be's a nursing travel So what it does

is like facilities like during COVID they employed agencies to

help get extra staff so that they can have staff.

Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a temp agency for nurses. Yeah,

sort of like that. Right.

Speaker 3: So if I'm a company, if I'm like, I don't

know Saint John's health, and I say, hey, I'm short nurses,

then I can call this agency who you work for,

and then they might send me you or whoever else. Yeah, okay,

so he had come to one of your facilities you

were working at.

Speaker 4: He was, well, he was outside the facility. I guess

he was soliciting, trying to see who he.

Speaker 2: Could get okay.

Speaker 4: And so.

Speaker 5: It was actually me and a couple of people at

the time.

Speaker 2: Okay. So okay, so you strike up a conversation with Steven.

Obviously he likes you, so he decides to hire you. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3: And at that point you said there was a like

a was a written out like invoice or contract.

Speaker 4: And the initial again and there wasn't because we were

at the facility. So she Jill initially was at the facility, okay.

And so I took care of her from in the

facility until May of twenty May of twenty one, okay, okay.

Speaker 2: From okay, So while you were working at the agency

at the facility, you that's where you met Stephen and Jill. Yes, okay,

but I.

Speaker 4: Met him outside. He was just a listed in as

we were coming in.

Speaker 2: Okay. So you were taking care of Jill there.

Speaker 3: And this was after she had contracted COVID and right,

and she had some medical issues.

Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So was she like what was her condition

back them? Was she paralyzed or because I noticed she's

in a wheelchair.

Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, she's in a wheelchair.

Speaker 2: Okay, she was in a wheelchair diand okay, so she's

been she's.

Speaker 5: Been in a wheelchair since I've gotten her.

Speaker 3: Okay, So since the time she was in that facility

until about May and twenty twenty one, you were caring

for her.

Speaker 5: Yeah, somewhere betweenty May and.

Speaker 3: You and then at that point you decide to get

hired on by Stephen full time.

Speaker 4: At their Yeah, twenty from May of twenty one till.

Speaker 2: July of twenty twenty four. Okay, what why did they

move out here?

Speaker 5: She wanted to move and so I said, we'll move

close to me and she They were.

Speaker 3: Like, okay, so you bought you said, you bought that

rivergatehouse two years ago.

Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband did. Your husband did? Okay, but you

guys were together at that time.

Speaker 5: He bought the house first, and then we got.

Speaker 2: Together and then then you got together. Okay, So you

weren't dating when he bought that house. No, he had.

He's owned it the How long has he owned that

house for?

Speaker 5: Since twenty one? I don't know the exact date.

Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and I'm sorry I forgot. He does construction, right?

What company does he work for? You work like for

the union? Like the UA?

Speaker 5: W was that what it's called?

Speaker 2: Oh?

Speaker 3: Okay, he's a union carpenter. Yeah, okay, all right, okay,

so he owns that house. You guys get together that

that's when you move in the house.

Speaker 5: No, he moved. He bought the house and moved in.

Speaker 4: I met him and then did I didn't move Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 5: I moved in actually right before we got married, and then.

Speaker 2: I moved out in it move back. I got you,

I got you, all right, okay. So, so tell me

about and why I know.

Speaker 4: One of them was Antoinette. I don't remember last names,

uh Antoinette. Oh it was. It was a few of them.

Steve had a couple of people. I don't I can't

remember all their names. I just was the main one

because I was the only nerves.

Speaker 2: Okay. So he wanted to be there every day. Okay.

Speaker 3: So, and you said originally the payments were four thousand

dollars every two weeks for.

Speaker 2: Me for you, right, So that would be eight thousand

a month, right.

Speaker 4: But he would pay me the consistent amount, and I

would pay them, so I would pay them through Zo,

so he.

Speaker 5: Would pay me my mount.

Speaker 4: He would pay me, he said, he only writing one check,

so that means I would get to check.

Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me what that what does that check

look like?

Speaker 5: Sixty eight? I believe sixty eight.

Speaker 2: It varied, so sixty every two weeks.

Speaker 4: Yeah, but it kind of varied because it depended on

if he wanted somebody to stay and he pay extra.

Speaker 5: So it never was like, how.

Speaker 2: Did he figure out how to how much to pay

somebody extra? You said, you guys didn't do it.

Speaker 5: He would just say what he wanted, like can you stay?

Speaker 4: Like he might ask me or somebody else, and he'd

be like, if you stay, I'll give you extra hundred dollars.

I get extra two hundred dollars, you know, not every day,

but periodically maybe, like can you stay today because I'm tired?

Speaker 2: I mean Jill. So, Jill and Steve they're pretty well off.

What you mean, like they have a lot of money.

Speaker 5: No, no, no, Jill has no money.

Speaker 2: She has no money. No, okay, well, okay, so how

did they afford this house? Theron?

Speaker 4: So, Steve took the money out of his account that

he had, He took his savings and put it in

there for the new house. When they sold the old house,

they took the money from the old house.

Speaker 5: And put it in the bank for Jill's care.

Speaker 2: Okay, so you're okay, So who.

Speaker 4: So, I guess Jill and her first husband had the

house initially when you know, when it got married years ago,

they kids lived and grew up in there. Then I

guess they got divorced, and then Steve and Jill moved

in together.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 5: According to Steve, they've been together for twenty twenty.

Speaker 2: One years as of this year. Okay, that's my.

Speaker 5: I know she had the two sons.

Speaker 4: They uh, when she first came home, they used to come,

but then they just stopped after maybe like the first

like the first maybe six seven.

Speaker 2: Months, they stopped coming.

Speaker 4: When in twenty after twenty twenty one, they didn't really

come that much.

Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they didn't really come. Okay.

Speaker 5: Uh, so it was just Steve and Jill.

Speaker 2: Uh.

Speaker 4: Steve still worked cause he was a lawyer. Mm so

he worked in at home and some days he may

go out to the office. I don't know how they

had their arrangements set up with them and whoever.

Speaker 2: I don't know what do you mean arrangement.

Speaker 4: I don't like who was supposed to get the house

and stuff like that, cause that's what a lot of

this is steming.

Speaker 2: From Okay, but what okay I'm.

Speaker 5: Saying with between Steve and the.

Speaker 2: Boys, Oh okay. Yeah, so I don't.

Speaker 4: Know if they had any types of arrangements or nothing

like that. Okay, but I know when Steve got this

house over here. So Jill said one day to Steve,

I want to move, she said, cause I have a

lot of mad memories at clearly her ex husband was

abusive to her.

Speaker 2: Okay, and She's like, I want to move.

Speaker 5: So he said, okay, he did the paperwork.

Speaker 4: He Okay, I guess he did whatever he did.

Speaker 3: So you weren't involved in the sale of that house

or you didn't help them sell it or anything like that.

Speaker 5: No, I didn't. I didn't sell the house, Steve the house.

Speaker 2: But who who talked to the people to sell the house? Steve?

Speaker 5: Steve?

Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Steve.

Speaker 5: Steve is was alert and oriented times fortified.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I'm just I don't know anybody.

Speaker 3: I'm just asking, you know, to try to kind of

wrap my head a on you know, what we're dealing

with here.

Speaker 5: I for somewhere between four eighty and five.

Speaker 2: Okay, so it's a pretty nice house.

Speaker 4: Yeah, so my husband kind of updated the house for

Steve so that they could get.

Speaker 2: It moved out. Did Steve pay m for that work? Yeah?

Steve paid him for that work. Do you know how much? No,

I don't know.

Speaker 4: I ain't get involved in that. Okay, we felt our

business separate. Okay, yeah, alright, and so some stuff he

didn't pay Steve. I mean, Steve didn't pay him. He

just did it because he liked him.

Speaker 2: Okay, all right. And then so they sell the house

and you said that's Jill wanted to move because she Jill.

Speaker 4: Wanted to move because she said she was having bad memories.

She has a best friend named Nicky, whom she's spoke with.

Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, when when did when

did Jill's like? Cause my understanding is that Jill has

some cognitive issue. When did that start? Jill?

Speaker 4: She Well, Jill has periods of confusion, like she'll mix

the information up, But if you have a general conversation

with her, she knows everything she's talking about. Okay, So

I wouldn't say that she had dementia. Well, she went

to the doctor. I took to the doctor. She didn't

had dementia.

Speaker 5: Uh, she did have what they called I gave the paper.

Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, what's her doctor? Where I'm going? Okay?

Speaker 4: Because the van would the van, I would have the

van service come pick jail up, and then I followed

the vand service to the location.

Speaker 2: Oh so a van would and then you would go

with her? Yes, okay, what's the van service? What's that called?

Speaker 5: One stop?

Speaker 2: One stop?

Speaker 5: Yeah, one stop van service?

Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So would Steve ever go with her to

any of these? Okay? When did Steve did Steve?

Speaker 5: Well, no, that's not true. He won a couple of times.

Speaker 2: Okay, but did he ever? Did he drive? Yeah? Up

until when?

Speaker 5: Up until.

Speaker 2: June? June?

Speaker 4: Up until June because he had a fall and he

hurt his leg.

Speaker 3: Okay, so he stopped driving after that. Yeah, okay, all right, okay,

so do you know why he was falling?

Speaker 2: No?

Speaker 4: I did take him to the hospital. They checked him out.

They said he was fine, He just was a little weak.

They gave him a walker. He used a walker sometimes

sometimes he didn't.

Speaker 2: Okay. Steve liked to smoke.

Speaker 4: So Steve smoked all day long, like I'm talking, Well,

he smoked camel. So he only would smoke maybe about

that much and throw the rest of the boy.

Speaker 2: Where would he smoke at in the front under that? Oh? Outside? Okay, yeah,

never inside? Okay, what did so he went to the

hospital for a fall. Do you remember when that was?

Speaker 5: Well, he won a couple of times.

Speaker 2: Yes, I can't remember the exact day. How did they

move all their stuff?

Speaker 4: My husband and the boys moved.

Speaker 2: Okay, and they got paid I'm sure for that. No, no,

all right.

Speaker 3: So getting back to it, so you were saying you

were getting paid, Steve would write a check for you,

said about sixty eight hundred, and then he would write that. Sure,

he wrote that check to you, and then you would

disperse it via.

Speaker 5: Zel Zell cash out.

Speaker 2: Yeah okay, so Zell or cat chap, and then you

would that's how you would pay the other people that

worked there. So you didn't have a company per se

that these people were employed by. No, okay, okay, well

I get it, all right. So we're talking roughly thirteen

thousand a month for twenty four to seven care twelve.

I know it's about twelve, about twelve, about twelve, but

if it was sixty eight hundred, right.

Speaker 4: Yeah, But that's why I say that very because it

just I mean it kind of depended.

Speaker 2: On either way. It was about twelve.

Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I said.

Speaker 3: Consistently since twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty.

Speaker 4: One, except in those payments, I purchased yill.

Speaker 5: Stuff out of my money.

Speaker 2: Why would you do that?

Speaker 5: Because I just did. That's what I did.

Speaker 2: I would when I think, like, what do you mean

by like.

Speaker 4: Her diapers her the past? Cause she wore diapers. Uh

when I got her, she was seventy pounds. She's now

like one hundred and twenty eight pounds or something, so

so that means she couldn't fit her clothes.

Speaker 5: So I'd buy I would buy her clothes.

Speaker 2: And then Steve would reimburse you for that.

Speaker 5: No, I would do.

Speaker 4: It because I like her. Like she'd be like, Linda,

give me I like this on TV or something. I mean,

like we had a relationship. Okay, Like she would be like.

Speaker 2: So you would use your own credit card, bank card, whatever.

Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm saying not all the time. I'm just saying

I would do for her.

Speaker 2: It was things that I did for her and Steve,

how much you are we talking a month?

Speaker 5: Well, let me see diapers, give a take.

Speaker 4: She may use two packs of diapers a month, which

is probably like thirty five or thirty seven dollars apiece

passes around the same thing twenty three, So she would

use two and two, you know, two and two cause

then when she slept at not you put the pad

up under Okay. Then I started buying what does those

things called? I started buying absorbent paths, like, uh, we're

trying to mess say it where you understand?

Speaker 2: So were we talking like five or six hundred bucks

a month kind of a deal?

Speaker 5: Sometimes more than that.

Speaker 4: Like I just went shopping for him and I bought

Steve some clothes cause he stopped wearing suit He wore

suits all the time, and so he would only have

like one pair of pants.

Speaker 5: I'm like they kind of was. We was like family.

I would be like, Steve, you gotta put on you know,

you gotta.

Speaker 4: So I would go out. I'd buy him like four

or five jogging suits from uh Macy's or Burlington mar

Marshalls and jail.

Speaker 5: Same thing. I'd be like, oh and you.

Speaker 2: And he's wouldn't reimburse you for any ofthing.

Speaker 4: I didn't.

Speaker 5: I never asks to be bring.

Speaker 2: Never asked him no, okay, Nope, Okay.

Speaker 4: I mean because we kind of just treat like I

came like every morning I came.

Speaker 2: I stuff like that.

Speaker 4: No, because we had a relationship with each other. Like

he was like he could used to call me his

black niece. He was like, so okayr let me see.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 4: So initially when the kids, when they initially came, they

were everybody was fine with everything, I guess until they

wanted to put her in a nursing home. Whatever their

conversations that took place. You know, whoever was working there

and myself would leave so that they can have their

own personal conversations and so that will would you know,

So that way we wasn't in their business.

Speaker 2: But Steve still would share with.

Speaker 4: Jill's best friend which is Mickey, his lawyer which is

Jim Phasian, and myself and other staff members.

Speaker 5: You know, what was being done to them.

Speaker 2: And so and what was that what was being.

Speaker 4: Done on I guess the boys was trying to make

him put Jill in the nurse a home so they

could sell the house.

Speaker 5: And they wanted the money for the kids.

Speaker 4: They said, did my dad promised to pay with this

house for my kids education?

Speaker 5: Okay, And I'm not the only person that knows this.

Speaker 2: So who else would know that?

Speaker 4: Micki NICKI, yes, Mickey Schapiro I think that's how you

say her name, Shapiro like that.

Speaker 2: And Jim Fasian Jim Fijian. Yeah, so they're well aware

of this situation.

Speaker 4: And his So Steve worked at Dowmons is like a

multi billion dollar company, Dowmon's properties and an arbor.

Speaker 2: Okay, they they know about some of it. Yeah, they

know about it. They know enough about.

Speaker 3: It because yes, Steven would tell them. Okay, so this

Mickey and this Stephen would tell them that this is

going on and the boys want all this stuff.

Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to want this money. Okay, So what

was like, how did how did Steven feel about this?

Speaker 4: Well, he was like, oh no, they can't do this

to me and whatever.

Speaker 6: You know, I would tell.

Speaker 4: Them calm down, It's just not that simple. You know,

you are you know Jill? I mean they would come

and sometimes like they would come periodically, like once every

eight months or something.

Speaker 2: So at this time, Steve was basically taking care of

Jill's stuff, right.

Speaker 5: He's always he has always taken care of her.

Speaker 3: But like obviously at the time this house things going on.

They're dealing with Steven with regard to this, because Steven

lives there too, right, Yeah, so.

Speaker 4: They wanted him to move out, put Jill in nurse

a home, and sell the house so their kids college

fund can be paid.

Speaker 2: And when did this take place.

Speaker 4: That took place. That was last year when they had

that conversation. Maybe around this time, so fall of twenty three,

maybe fall of twenty twenty three, okay, but actually just

before Steve died, they were coming, uh, they had came again,

and he was like, I just don't wanna see him again.

Micky knows, cause she's the best friend.

Speaker 2: So she he would talk to her as well, okay, and.

Speaker 4: She said she was like, I mean not she He

was like, I just don't wanna see him.

Speaker 5: You know, I have a daughter that special needs, you know.

Speaker 4: And so he put certain things in place so that

I could help them as far as like if something

happened to him. He was like, this is what I

need you to do. This is who you call. Jim

Phagan was the person to call. I would talk to

Micky anyway, because I would give her updates on Jill,

and so Micky would Micky would pop up and come

over and see about Jill and I.

Speaker 5: It's always been me and I.

Speaker 2: If so, how many times did Mickey come over since

July when they moved over here.

Speaker 4: She Micky only came over once because she had just

got out of the hospital. Okay, so Micky had a ball,

a bad ball, and so she was in the hospital,

so she only got to come over.

Speaker 5: But she mo she lives in Florida, so she moved

to Florida.

Speaker 2: But they got a telephone number though. Okay, alright, it's.

Speaker 4: Kind of all over the place, because this is how

this I'm this is deeper than I don't know what

they said, I really so what so what was your.

Speaker 2: Role then in helping Steven out with stuff like when

you're saying you were helping him with arrangements or he

would tell you things like let's go through some of that.

Speaker 4: What would he Well, he told me where all of

his paperwork was, as far as for like power of attorney,

what to do for power of attorney. He taught me

what to do for Jill. Uh like if he was

you know, like he gave me a list of papers

that he and somebody else side I n man, none

knew me, like they signed it, maybe like years ago,

and he was like, if something happened to me, these

are the papers that you get because this is how

Jill's gonna get her money that's left over, which is

not a lot.

Speaker 2: But why do you How do you know that? Because

he told me? He told you how much money he had? Yeah, okay,

how much was it?

Speaker 4: It was something like six ninety five or seven hundred

thousand or something like that.

Speaker 5: Okay, now to the exact number, I can't.

Speaker 2: Remember, okay. And so and when did he tell you this?

Speaker 5: Like periodically? You know, like he Steve was a bragger.

Speaker 4: He kind of liked be like, oh you know, that's

how he talk He'd be like, oh you know I

got money, you know, it's how.

Speaker 2: You talkt So he had seven hundred thousand dollars to

your from what from what he's say? Okay, So what

was this paperwork he was talking about?

Speaker 5: Take me through that, just like the power of attorney

paper word.

Speaker 2: So who's listed as the power of attorney or Jill? Whoever?

How many power of attorneys?

Speaker 5: It was two?

Speaker 2: Okay, there were two?

Speaker 4: Okay, so it was one for Steve initially when I

guess when the boys started trying to threaten him to

take take you know, put him out and take the

house or whatever.

Speaker 5: So then he got power of attorney over jail.

Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was Steve over jail. Yes, so she

signed over her power of attorney to Steve. Yes, okay,

all right.

Speaker 5: Yes, and they also got married in the process.

Speaker 2: When did that happen?

Speaker 5: I want to say they got married in March?

Speaker 2: March March of Okay, how did they get married?

Speaker 5: Steve out the priest come over and marry him?

Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, it's like a who was there when

that happened?

Speaker 5: Steve the priest?

Speaker 2: I was there and Jill what kind of priest? No,

he wasn't Catholic. He was I think he was Jewish? Okay,

but it was a priest, yeah, he said he was.

I mean did they fill out a marriage license? Yeah? Okay,

huh all right, well why would they get married after

so long?

Speaker 5: Chill says, you wanted to get married?

Speaker 4: That's when when she still had our Bibles, she was like, Steve,

when we're gonna get married?

Speaker 2: Oh?

Speaker 4: Like they having normal conversations every day, like you know

today is today?

Speaker 5: She would act some periodically, Steve, whin are we getting married.

Speaker 2: So Stephen and Jill get married in March of twenty

twenty three.

Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe it was March.

Speaker 2: Okay, but you were there, yeah okay? And who else

was with you? The priest? So you the priest, Jill

and Steve and Stephen that's it. Yeah, okay, okay, So

no other family members were there, no, okay, all right.

Speaker 5: So the boys knew that she was married, so after March.

Speaker 2: So then the decision at some points made to sell.

Speaker 5: The house, right yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: Okay, but here, I'm sorry, don't let me get that right, yeah,

because so the power of attorney, the power of attorney.

So there's a power of attorney that Jill signs makes

Steven her power of attorney. Is that correct? Yes? Okay?

And then you brought up another power of attorney. I

know we talked about it at the house, right.

Speaker 4: That was the power of attorney for me, because Steve

had got sick and he was like, you know, somebody

gonna have to help take care of us, and I

was like, okay.

Speaker 5: Initially he asked me to do it in August and.

Speaker 4: I was like, nine, not gonna happen to you, Steve

or whatever whatever, and he was.

Speaker 5: Like you know.

Speaker 4: So I'm like, well, we'll talk about it at a

different time, which came up to the October day, okay,

and then he had to stroke.

Speaker 5: Actually that I want to say. It was the same

day he had the stroke.

Speaker 2: So he's so he's it's so it's you hit the witness.

The two witnesses. You said, who is it against? And Jill?

So Jill, Steven and who else? Kendra? Yeah, and who's

the other one?

Speaker 5: Again, I don't remember who else was there? I gotta remember.

I just just can't remember.

Speaker 3: But okay, so those people are there, and then this

traveling notary that you you said.

Speaker 5: Steve called to drive. This Steve going to drive.

Speaker 2: Okay, So Steve calls the travel notary, she comes there,

So present is you, Steve Kendraw. And then it's somebody

else you don't remember, yeah, and the notary.

Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm trying to I'm thinking two different people,

but I don't want to say nobody.

Speaker 2: So Jill signs it, Steve signs it, notary.

Speaker 5: Signs it, Kendre signed it, and I signed.

Speaker 2: It okay in whatever witness and yeah, okay, where did

you sign it at?

Speaker 5: What you mean on a paper? Yeah, it was a

it was a line.

Speaker 2: There was a line for you to sign. Yeah, okay, alright, okay, okay.

So they're so power of attorney gets granted to you second, okay,

and that was to.

Speaker 5: Assist Steve while he was in the hospital.

Speaker 2: Okay. So that's how he ended up. So you're saying,

the same day he go he get has a stroke

and goes the hospital.

Speaker 5: Within two hours he had a stroke.

Speaker 2: Okay, he was going in.

Speaker 5: The front room.

Speaker 4: Uh. We was helping him walk with the walker cause

he said his leg was hurting, and then he went out. Okay,

he actually he actually called it.

Speaker 2: So he he goes to the hospital and take me

through that. What happens there.

Speaker 4: At the hospital? The nurse practitioner come out. She talked

to me. I told her I had power of attorney.

She asked me, what do you want to do?

Speaker 2: I called you.

Speaker 5: I said, what do you want to do?

Speaker 4: She like let him hide the surgery because it was

a I want to see it was a surgery. Yeah,

it was a surgery to maybe move some.

Speaker 2: Clots or something. I can't remember it. It was all

and extensive.

Speaker 4: However, they did whatever they was gonna do. I stayed

at the hospital all day with Steve waiting on them.

Then when they finally came to get me, I went

back to.

Speaker 2: See waiting on them. What do you mean was the hospital? Okay?

Speaker 5: I was still at the hospital. I stayed there the whole.

Speaker 3: Time, and that was that was the first day he

went there. Yeah, you were there the whole time. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: What was the nurse or whoever you talked to? No,

I don't remember that name. Okay. You're a nurse yourself, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4: And I can't remember yeah, all right, Yeah, I can

remember everybody's name.

Speaker 2: Okay. Lot. So they're saying to do a surgery.

Speaker 5: In what they did, they did a surgery.

Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off. This power of attorney and

forgive me because I'm very ignorant to medical stuff. Is

this something you have to present the hospital when you

go there? And like, do you have to like show

them this power of attorney? Like how do they know?

Speaker 4: No?

Speaker 5: I didn't present anything.

Speaker 2: You didn't present anything.

Speaker 5: But I did talk to Jail on the phone.

Speaker 2: Right. But you said you told them you had power

of attorney. Yeah, okay, but you didn't have to show

them anything.

Speaker 5: No, I didn't show them anything, Okay.

Speaker 2: All right, so you identified yourself as as what then

to the medical.

Speaker 4: Staff, to his niece, because that's what he called me,

his black niece. He's like this, ma bla adopted black niece.

Speaker 3: Okay, so you say that you're his niece and you

have power of attorney, so you tell them this and

then you go through the.

Speaker 5: Whole No, I didn't go through anything. I talked to Jill.

Speaker 2: Well, you went through something. You were there. You went

through the whole thing with them, because who else did

they a thing of what his care?

Speaker 5: Oh that's what I'm saying. I talked with Jill. She

wanted him to have a surgery.

Speaker 4: Okay, so I let them know to go ahead and

do the surgery to save them.

Speaker 2: Okay, that they did, okay.

Speaker 4: And then from there it was just primarily a waiting game,

so just trying.

Speaker 2: To, you know, see which way it was.

Speaker 5: He appeared to be.

Speaker 2: Doing good though, okay, okay.

Speaker 4: Well not good, but you know, he appeared to be stable,

lizing I should say it.

Speaker 2: That way, Okay, Like, what do you mean by that?

He was responsive to me grab my hand?

Speaker 4: No, he just kind of mumbled a little bit, Okay,

he can hold my hand. I don't remember the nurse's name,

but she was in there, okay, and she was like,

oh wow, you.

Speaker 5: Know he responds to you.

Speaker 4: He's he doing what he wasn't doing and you caught him.

He responded, he grabbed your hand, He turned his head,

he blinked when I asked him questions.

Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So then, what like, what happens after?

How long was he in the hospital for?

Speaker 4: I want to say three days, okay, I want to

say three days before he died, because we were we

got left right after.

Speaker 3: So the whole time was the hospital communicating them with

you and then you would communicate with Jill, or.

Speaker 5: The hospital will communicate with me and I will communicate.

Speaker 2: So would they call you or was it when you

were there?

Speaker 4: No, they would call me because because I left and

went out of town. Okay, I think I was saying

that when we were back at the house, I left

and went out of town because that was the vacation

that we.

Speaker 2: Were already you already had, That's where we were.

Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why we were there so early to try

to take care of business with Steve and to you know,

just trying to sort out all our what we needed

to sort out so we could leave.

Speaker 2: So what were the dates you were in Thailand again?

Speaker 4: Nineteen through the twenty third or the fourth. Now, I

don't know how that difference in the date or time

from here to there.

Speaker 2: Sure, okay, so you only went for about five days. No,

I wasn't even that long.

Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because the going and coming those was the

travel time. So we was we was in Thailand for

like I know, we were in Thailand for.

Speaker 2: Two days, two days, okay, So we was.

Speaker 4: On the plane one day and a half to something

like that, and then we was there for two days.

Speaker 3: And then we came back, okay, And you came back

because Steve had passed. Yeah, that's what you said. Okay,

So who was the hospital communicating?

Speaker 2: Well, Steve was in the hospital me, so they would

call you and you would answer on the on the plane.

Speaker 4: Well, on the when they when they did reach me,

they said they had been trying to call me, but

Steve was still in the hospital and he was going

into cardiocor rest and.

Speaker 5: He was on the uh what they said they had

them home.

Speaker 4: Just a lot of heavy sedated medications.

Speaker 2: And did they have him on like like were they

assisting him like breathing. Was it like life support? Was

it like I don't know?

Speaker 4: Again, No, he wasn't on life support, but he was intimated. Okay,

he wasn't all life support, but he was intovated.

Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that's what I'm thinking of, right, just the

tube to.

Speaker 5: Help you breathe, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, that's intobated.

Speaker 4: And so the doctor said that he he just told

me basically that his legs was cold, he was about

to go into cardiac arrest because of you know, his

body was his exact words, metabolic isidosis.

Speaker 2: What else he say?

Speaker 4: I can't remember every I can't remember it all right

at this moment, but that's for the gist of it.

Then he called me back like thirty minutes later and

told me that Steve had died.

Speaker 2: Okay, so damn me and my husband.

Speaker 4: We stayed in Thailand that extra day and then we

came because we wasn't able to get another flight back

out until the day that we came back here, you know,

came back.

Speaker 2: In a right.

Speaker 3: So okay, so they're calling you on the phone kind

of keeping you updated what's going on.

Speaker 4: No, they no, they just only called me twice, okay,

And they called twice. They were like no, three times

they called me as we was leaving to tell me

that he, you know, was okay for now on the nineteenth,

I believe.

Speaker 2: So, yeah, okay. So on October nineteenth, that's the day

you guys were leaving in the hospital had called you

and said that he was doing fine, said that he

was doing okay. He was doing okay, yeah, and okay

means he was intubated, but he's comfortable. Okay. Basically he

was comfortable. And that's October nineteenth. Yes, I believe, okay.

Speaker 5: And so when we actually before we were so.

Speaker 2: You leave on the October nineteenth, yeah, okay, but we did.

Speaker 5: We stopped by there to see him.

Speaker 2: You know, I stopped by at the hospital.

Speaker 4: We stopped at the hospital to see him. I basically

just gave him a hug and a kiss. I was like,

I love you, you know, stuff like that. My husband

same thing, because he had just shaved them the day before,

and he was like, all right, you gotta, you know,

just to just have a normal conversation, trying to make

it as normal as possible, because that's what they tad

you do anyway. But you know, he was just like, oh,

you know, gotta hurry up and make it through this

because I gotta shave you again.

Speaker 2: Okay. And you're sure that was on the nineteenth and

you came back the twenty third or twenty fourth.

Speaker 5: Yeah, about the twenty third of the twenty fourth.

Speaker 4: But I can look well, I don't have my phone,

but I can look at the itinerary okay.

Speaker 2: And how did you end up booking that trip? I didn't.

My husband booked it, Okay. Was it through like Expedia?

Was it just do you guys just do an online

like book at yourself?

Speaker 4: Or I don't know he got Yeah, I didn't he

did that. I wasn't there, Okay, all.

Speaker 2: Right, no worries. I'm just curious. Okay. So basically the

three times, when was the third time that you talked

to the hospital.

Speaker 4: When they caught me back and told me thirty minutes

later that Steve.

Speaker 2: Passed thirty minutes later on what day?

Speaker 4: Oh?

Speaker 2: Was it like the day after he was in the

hospital or two days after? Was it? I mean it

was like it was like it was all you were gone, correct, Yeah,

it was like a day. So you guys leave the

nineteenth and then you say.

Speaker 4: The day we left the day we left, We got

on a plane. We was on the plane for eleven hours,

ten hours, and then we got to Turkey. They called

us and told us that they have been trying to

reach me and that Steve was going into cardiac arrest.

He was still intubated for now. They're keeping them comfortable,

but he's not gonna make it.

Speaker 2: Okay, And I.

Speaker 4: Said, okay, she said, I said, car make sure you

keep me updated. I said, because we can't, they'd have

already sent our lovers. Said, we're gonna have to go,

and then once we get there, we can rebook our

flight and come.

Speaker 2: Back, okay, cause we were in Turkey. Okay.

Speaker 4: Then he said, okay, that was the doctor. Then the

doctor car back thirty minutes later approximately.

Speaker 2: And you're on a layover in Turkey at this time,

we're on a layover in Turkey. Okay.

Speaker 5: Then he called me back to tell me that Steve

had passed.

Speaker 4: I actually was crying, so I didn't finish the conversation.

Speaker 5: My husband said, told the.

Speaker 4: Doctor that give me a minute and I'll fall him

back once I got calmed out.

Speaker 2: Okay. So at any point in time did you instruct

then the the doctors or nurses or anybody. Did you

instruct them to take Steve off of life support or no?

Speaker 4: They never asked about taking them off life support.

Speaker 2: Okay, So they never asked you, like what.

Speaker 5: You know because he wasn't one life He wasn't one life.

Speaker 2: Support, okay.

Speaker 5: He was only intibated.

Speaker 2: So he died while intubated. That I know of.

Speaker 6: I don't know.

Speaker 2: I mean, I don't.

Speaker 4: He just called me back and told me that he

actually passed away when I called.

Speaker 5: When I did calm down a little bit.

Speaker 2: Thought doctor, was that that called you? What is this?

Speaker 6: I don't know.

Speaker 2: You don't remember, okay.

Speaker 5: Because I don't even remember the nurses. Okay, I only

seen him.

Speaker 3: So you guys want come back? You said you come

back on the twenty third or twenty fourth.

Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the twenty third of the twenty fourth.

Speaker 2: So what happens was Stephen between the time he dies

and when you get back to town? Like, what was

going on with that?

Speaker 5: So I talked to Jill on the phone.

Speaker 4: I said, well, Jill, do you want him to stay

at the hospital until I get back or do you

want him to go ahead to the funeral home?

Speaker 5: She said no, if you if you leave him there,

He's gonna rot. That was just her words. I said, well, no,

you won't rot. He will be on ice.

Speaker 4: I said, but if you want me to go to

the nursing home, I mean, I'm not the nurse home, to.

Speaker 2: The funeral home.

Speaker 4: I have to call around to some different places to

see who can pick him up so that he could

be what they call that when they prepare the body.

Uh and bob.

Speaker 2: And that's what Steve wanted. Huh. You said, Steve gave

you his arrangements and what he wanted to do.

Speaker 5: Oh yeah, not like what funeral home or nothing like that.

Speaker 4: I was talking about. I was talking to Jail. Jill

was you know, Jill was saying that she wanted.

Speaker 2: What was what was the phone number you were calling, John?

Speaker 4: Uh? I think it was paul atte Ball because Paullette

was there. Paulette was there with her while for three days,

something like three day yeah.

Speaker 2: Three I think three days?

Speaker 4: All right, Okay, So Paultte when she would talk to me,

and you know she we talking sh you know, I'm

consoling her.

Speaker 2: So I told her I would call around to see

what the.

Speaker 4: Funeral homes were around or close by, who can pick

him up. So she kind of was like, okay, well

just let me know we're gonna we we just gotta

figure it out, hurry back home, so.

Speaker 2: Forth, trying to remember everything.

Speaker 4: So okay, so then I can Then we booked. I

finally got a flight that was coming back that we

can get.

Speaker 2: On to, you know, come back home. Oh so you

were making all these calls from Thailand.

Speaker 4: Yeah, oh all right, yeah, and between time, I was

trying to keep up with Jill as well, because she

was very op what you're seeing.

Speaker 3: Paul Atte was and what was Paula's last name again,

ken Ka, And she was there the whole time.

Speaker 2: Yeah, she was there the whole time, not Kendrup, just Paulate.

Speaker 4: No, Kendra was there the day we left, but paul

Atte came to to stay for three days. You know,

she was because she don't drive, so she like, oh,

this is far, I'll just stay the whole three days.

And then Kendrick didn't have to come, so she just

stayed the whole you know, like overnight, okay, three days,

all right, and so I you know, we I mean

we kind of like talk, we prayed, we talked, we prayed.

I talked to Jill like every time. So and sometimes

I couldn't gone because.

Speaker 3: But you were talking to Jill via Paulatt's phone, you're

sand yeah, okay, and you don't probably remember that number.

Speaker 5: I don't have it, no worries.

Speaker 4: And so so we talked about that.

Speaker 5: I mean, we talked to Jill.

Speaker 4: We just kept we just kept calling Jill, checking on her,

making sure she was okay. And then I got sick then.

I don't know, maybe because I was stressed. I don't know,

but I got sick. So then I uh be when

we got ready to get on the plane, I had chills,

I had sweats, I was I was like, oh my god,

I'm feeling sick.

Speaker 2: So of course we're on our way home. Now. Oh,

before you got on the plane coming back, you said

you should Yeah, we was in Turkey. Okay, you never

made it to Thailand.

Speaker 5: No, I'm saying coming back home because.

Speaker 2: Oh, you laid over in Turkey again.

Speaker 4: Yeah, oh all right, yeah, so we laid in We

laid over in Turkey for twenty four hours. Okay, so

that's when I, you know, was I started getting sick

that day? Okay, you know not, well, I said when

we got off the first plane. After about a couple

of hours, when the evening started coming, I started feeling sick.

I started getting chills and sweats and shapes, and then

my thoat was hurting and itchy, scratchy, and then the

next so we we got a hotel room. Yep, we

got a hotel room. And we went back to the airport.

By that time, I was full of fully sick, so

I couldn't even talk.

Speaker 5: By that point we.

Speaker 4: Set an airport to the flight. I was ready to

leave because I'm from.

Speaker 2: Turny, Yeah, from Turkey, okay, and then you land in Detroit, and.

Speaker 5: Then we came into Detroit.

Speaker 7: Uh Turkey, Turkey share yeah, okay, all right, okay, okay,

So once you.

Speaker 2: Get back, then what's what's her first course of business

when we get back here.

Speaker 4: When I came back, I came to I came went

to Jill's house. Uh just kind of was talking to her.

Speaker 2: My husband was. I didn't really go in there too much.

Speaker 4: I just kind of tried to talk to her a

little bit and wrote her a couple of notes cause

I j couldn't really hear me, so it was pointless

of talking. I was asking her via paper, you know,

like what do you want me to do?

Speaker 5: She was like, I don't know, let's just try and

figure it out.

Speaker 4: I was like, dude, you got the health insurance, I

mean not health insurance, life insurance. So we can call

cause they're coming to they've already embonded him and we're

trying to get the services together. And so I could

like I was real squeak as you can. You couldn't

really hear me, but you can hear me or not

like in person you can.

Speaker 2: I'm not old about sure.

Speaker 5: So I got a hold to.

Speaker 4: Jim Phasian because I remember when Steve actually when he

was like coming to from when I brought him back,

he was like jump Phasian called Jim Phasian, called Jump Phasian.

Speaker 5: So I was like, dang, I don't have his number.

Speaker 2: Wait, who said that? I'm sorry, Steve, Steve, Steve and

this is when.

Speaker 5: This was, This was when he came.

Speaker 4: So he he called it meaning he stopped breathing, Paul stopped.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I did CPR Okay, I brought him back.

Speaker 4: He was like I just you know, he just was

kind of mumbling jimp fasion card jump Fasian. So I

was like, I don't I don't even have his number, Okay,

So I did end up. I searched him on the

lawyers in the NRB on the internet and.

Speaker 2: I found his number. So you called Jim Fasion. I

called Jim Faige, okay? And what did you say?

Speaker 4: And I told Jim Fasi and I said, from here,

I don't know what to do because this is not what.

Speaker 2: I know to do. And when was that that? You

do you remember what day it was that you called Jim?

Speaker 4: I called him quite a I called him probably about

four days straight, because he didn't he didn't respond because

he said he was out of towner.

Speaker 2: So would that be he caught me back? So you

get back on the twenty third or twenty fourth, So

you're saying you probably didn't talk to him until the

end of the month, almost.

Speaker 5: Probably within.

Speaker 2: Was it within?

Speaker 5: Me say, because he called me back. That's how he

called me back.

Speaker 3: So he calls you back after about three or four days,

because you couldn't get a hold of after about three Okay,

So then what what's the conversation with Jim At that point?

Speaker 4: I basically told him what happened with Steve. I told

him what Steve said. I told him the information is

he gave me and and.

Speaker 5: That was the will and trust.

Speaker 4: That was the the not theorized power of attorney.

Speaker 5: I sent that to him.

Speaker 4: I sent the trust, I mean the copy of the trust,

and I sent the What else did I send him?

I think that was it? Okay, I think that. I

think that might have been it. We did conversate then.

I was trying to call people, but they couldn't hear me.

Speaker 2: So what were you asking Jim Fajian for. What was

he going to be able to do for you?

Speaker 4: Well, Steve said that was who was going to take

care of him when he passed.

Speaker 2: Okay, now that was I was before that day.

Speaker 5: We're talking about previously, prior to.

Speaker 4: Prior to Yeah, all right, like he would be like,

if something happened to me, make sure you got jump.

Speaker 2: Okay, all right. So Jim Fasian is pretty much no

help at this point, is what you're saying.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean no help as far as helping me

to get him.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 5: Well, no, he was trying to locate people.

Speaker 2: Okay, his brother Okay, Steve brother.

Speaker 5: Okay, because Steve haveyper brother.

Speaker 2: So we're talking October twenty eight, it like twenty eighth ish.

If you got back on the twenty third or twenty fourth,

calling him before I got home. So you were calling

him from Turkey or Tayland.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was calling from Turkey, not not tiling

from Turkey.

Speaker 5: So I was looking him up.

Speaker 4: And then when I you know, I was calling different people, okay, because.

Speaker 5: I was trying to reach them, and because.

Speaker 4: That's what Steve said was gonna take care of He

was like, that's what's gonna take That is my longtime friend.

Speaker 2: He's a lawyer, and this is what. So you talked

to Jim Fajean and you tell him what Steve wanted

to do.

Speaker 4: I told him what Steve said.

Speaker 2: He was like, and what did Steve say that.

Speaker 4: If something happened to him, make sure I contact Jim

Fajian because he's going to take care of it.

Speaker 2: Okay, but what did what did Steve say he wanted done?

Besides you contacting Jim Pagan? I mean you must have

had some kind of information When.

Speaker 5: You say done, Are you talking about like this body?

Speaker 2: Yeah, like with his body, with his money, Like does

he want this person to get well, yeah, he said

he wanted and this person.

Speaker 4: He wanted he said he wanted his door to get

two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 5: He said, the rest is going to go to jail.

Speaker 2: And how much was that?

Speaker 5: I don't well, deduct the two fifty.

Speaker 4: I'm thinking if he only has six something to seven,

then whatever's leftover.

Speaker 2: Okay, and that goes to jail, right, and that will

go to jail, all right?

Speaker 5: He said to call Jim. Jim the house was supposed

to go.

Speaker 2: To me to you, yes, okay.

Speaker 4: Jim Fasian has a recording with him on there, and

he also, I don't know what else he did, so, uh,

I'm also listed on the association. I guess when Steve

did all the paperwork, he put me down ins the

call owner.

Speaker 2: When he called, uh.

Speaker 4: The insurance state farm they called me and was like, well,

Steve gave us your numb.

Speaker 5: This was a h M maybe like back in Jane July.

Speaker 4: Join okay, yeah, And I was like, no, I don't

know nothing. I don't know nothing about it. I said,

but I'll, you know, talk to him.

Speaker 2: And we'll go over it.

Speaker 4: So it was like either Jil maybe not July, maybe

August okay, But I never followed through with it, like

as far as talking to.

Speaker 2: The person at Steve far that state farm.

Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but my name is definitely listed and for

the association.

Speaker 2: For the association. Okay, what does that? What does that mean?

What does what mean? The association?

Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the association for a kind of.

Speaker 2: Okay, So what is your name's listed on there? As

well as the co owner? Okay? What were you doing

with the asso? Were you paying the association dues? Or no?

Speaker 4: I didn't even know who associations?

Speaker 3: People weren't Okay, all right, So the house he wants

to get, she just happened to call me.

Speaker 2: He wants to give you the house, is what you said? Yes? Okay?

Is that on any paperwork anywhere? Yes? What paperwork is

that on? Well, let's it would be at the house.

But what is it?

Speaker 4: It's just the notarize for his daughter and for me

in jail, like a will?

Speaker 2: Yeah, but what about like the I don't know what

is it for a house title? Or what is it

called the owner of the house? Like is there a

piece of paper that says you own the house? Is there?

Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 4: Other than the other than the will? No, I don't,

I don't know. I don't know what that would be.

Speaker 2: So there's a will or a trust.

Speaker 5: He had a will and a trust.

Speaker 2: Okay, but you're saying you're listed as the person who's

getting the house. Yes, on a piece of paper.

Speaker 5: No, you stay typed it. He typed everything up. He

was very meticulous.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 4: And then he also contacted Jim Pagan prior. Okay, this

is like I'm trying to make this all come together.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 3: Well, I'm just curious because if he gave you the house,

did he give you the house before he passed?

Speaker 4: No? I didn't say he gave me the house. He

said he wanted me to have the house if something happens.

Speaker 2: That would be ownership of the house. Is that correct?

So when you own something, what do you need with

to own something? Like if you own your car, what

do you get with a owning a car? A title? Right?

Speaker 4: Yeah?

Speaker 2: I get a title? Okay, So when you own a house,

do you do a deed? Do you do like, did

he do any kind of like quit claim deeds or

anything like that to you to give you the house?

I believe that's what that paperwork was, a quick claim deed?

Do you know what that is? Not? Really? But okay,

So you're saying he did a quick claim deed to

you for the house.

Speaker 5: So I don't know I'm agreeing because I don't know what.

Speaker 2: I don't want you to agree. If you don't, I'm not.

Speaker 5: Going to agree.

Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is he does have some paperwork

is at the house, so they're they're a nation's dead.

Speaker 5: Did okay.

Speaker 2: Like that? Yeah? Okay? And that's it. No, it was

a it was a notarized letter. Yeah, this is notarized

right here? You said, this is it? Yeah? This is

the this yeah? Yeah, okay, this is the quick claim

deed that you're talking about that he gave you the house. Yeah.

Speaker 5: I didn't say it was quick claim d because I know.

Speaker 2: What it was. Okay, but you recognize this as being

the same piece of paperwork that you signed them? Yeah? Correct? Right?

Isn't that your signature right there? Yes? Okay, So this

is a document you signed that would give you possession

of that house. Is that correct? Okay? All right, okay,

So that's so he gave that to you on the

fourteenth of October. I guess do you want to read it?

Speaker 3: What?

Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah? Okay? And who took this to the Register

of deeds, was that you? Yes, okay, so you took

it to the Anthony Foorlini's Register of Deeds office and

turned this in. I don't know who Anthony is. He's

the McComb County Register of Deeds, he's clerk. Yeah. So

you took this to the Register of the Deeds. Yes,

on October fourteenth? No, No, okay, I'm sorry, Oh November one?

I don't know. Do you can you tell? What? What

do you remember what day you took it?

Speaker 5: If it's all here? The twenty I mean no, I

meant the twenty four?

Speaker 2: Is that not?

Speaker 5: I didn't know twenty four?

Speaker 2: No, I don't think there's November the twenty fourth. That

doesn't even happened yet.

Speaker 5: No that' oh no, I think that's the one right there?

Speaker 2: Is that A one? Okay? All right? But this is

a copy of the same document, all right? So he

wanted you to give that, and that's written down somewhere.

You said, Also, and what does that paperwork look like? Oh?

Speaker 5: Well, I can't I it's just tight. It's ted with

his signature.

Speaker 2: Was it a separate will? Was it a separate trust?

Was it a power of attorney? Paperwork? Like? Whoa any idea.

Speaker 5: No, the power of attorney was separate.

Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a different document.

Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a type document with his signature on

it and my signature and that's it.

Speaker 2: So like on the Steve for instance, obviously it's notarized,

so this would have been Steven. Kendra the notary was

present for this on the fourteenth of October. Yeah, say fourteenth? Okay,

whose signature is that? You know who that is? Who

is there with you? Because I see Kendra, I see you,

I see Steven. Any idea who that is? Isn't that Steve?

I thought that who's this over here? This one here?

Who's that? I thought that was Steve? Oh no, I wasn't.

You don't remember people, Yeah, you don't remember who was there?

So it was yous, No, it wasn't. But three people there,

So Kendra, Steve, you and this guy Steven who notarizes us,

this guy been down here, Stephen McClean because it's notorized. Yeah, okay,

so those were the people present when this document was signed.

All right, And you don't remember Kendra's phone number? Okay,

all right, not by heart anyway. Okay, So he gives

you the house, so do you tell Jim Fasion that? Yeah?

Speaker 4: Okay, okay, but imagine how's the recording with him when

you know he called him and told him.

Speaker 2: That Stephen called him and told him that, Okay, and

when when I don't know the exact date.

Speaker 4: I don't know that.

Speaker 8: That was just a conversation that we had then, okay, okay,

So what happens after that?

Speaker 2: So let's get back to Steven's EMBALMD right, and you're

trying to figure out what to do with Steven. At

that time, you had called Jim Pageen. Ye, I called him,

and then who talked Dennis? Dennis? Who do who is that?

Speaker 5: That's the just Steve job, Steve's job, Steve's job.

Speaker 2: Okay, So you talked to him and he says, what, Oh, no,

I was just letting him know that Steve died.

Speaker 3: Did any conversation come up with him about any arrangements

or anything like that?

Speaker 4: Yeah?

Speaker 2: I mean he just wanted to know what they were.

Speaker 5: I said, I don't know what they are yet.

Speaker 2: And then after that, who do you contact after that? Micky? Micky? Okay,

do you know when that was? Approximately? No? Okay, No,

but I did talk whose whose his daughter? Well? Not

the daughter.

Speaker 5: I text the daughter and had her have her mother.

Speaker 2: Call me, okay, which her name.

Speaker 5: Is Kathleene Catherine or Kathleen.

Speaker 2: Okay, so you text the daughter when.

Speaker 8: I don't know.

Speaker 5: I just texted him, was like, make have somebody call me.

Speaker 2: They didn't.

Speaker 4: She didn't respond right away, but I think it was

the next day whenever they whenever day. She called me

the next day or two days later. So Steve, I

got the number from.

Speaker 2: The Dominds.

Speaker 5: So Steve phone the old phone. He cracked at her something.

Speaker 4: So when he my husband took him to go get

a new phone, they couldn't transfer the old information to

the new phone. But you couldn't get the old information off.

Speaker 2: The old phone, okay, if that makes sense.

Speaker 4: Okay, So I had to like search for numbers and

try to find people, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, where Steve's phone out? Where it was in

my car? It's in your car? Yeah, okay? Is it

still in your car?

Speaker 5: I don't think so, because they took all myself out

of the car.

Speaker 2: All right, Okay, So you were trying to find people's

numbers because Steve didn't have him in his new phone. Okay,

So he had nothing in the new phone, so you

ended up calling How did so you called Kathleen?

Speaker 5: I think her name Kathleen.

Speaker 2: How did you text the daughter?

Speaker 5: I text her when I got the number from the Dowamonds.

Speaker 2: Right, So like, what what did you talk about?

Speaker 4: What you mean when I talk about I told her

to ask her mother to call me. I don't know

the exact wording, but I was like, how your mother

called me?

Speaker 2: And that was from your phone t to her phone.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say, have your mother call me, okay. I

don't know if I said if this is Linda, I

I don't know if I said this is Linda. I

don't know, but I said, how if uh, I know

your dad or something like that, can you please have

him call me?

Speaker 2: Okay? Okay? So then who else?

Speaker 5: Then?

Speaker 2: Who else do you end up talking to?

Speaker 4: Uh?

Speaker 5: I talked to who I'll talk to?

Speaker 2: Let's see.

Speaker 4: Now is I talked to quite a few of the

Damas cause they were calling me back once they found

out Steve died.

Speaker 2: They were calling me kind of And what date is

this that all these people found out Steve was deceased,

Probably like the twenty they're twenty four.

Speaker 5: Whenever I got back when.

Speaker 2: You got back, Yeah, whenever I got back. Did so.

Speaker 3: There was a report of some kind of like transaction

that I guess Jill was trying to do with Merrill

Lynch or what was that about?

Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, she was trying to pay the bills. Okay,

so tell me about that.

Speaker 5: What do you mean tell you about it?

Speaker 2: Well? I wasn't there. Oh, clearly you know what I'm

talking about.

Speaker 5: Yeah, because they have Merrill Lynch.

Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me about Merrill Lynch. Who called Merrill Lynch?

Speaker 5: She called Merrill Lynch from whose phone? From my phone?

Speaker 2: Okay, so you were.

Speaker 5: There, Yeah, I wasn't. I tried to, like when they're

doing business, I try not to be in.

Speaker 2: The same room. You seem to be in some business though, I.

Speaker 5: Mean I'm in some business.

Speaker 2: Well I don't be. Just they're giving you a house

that's worth four hundred and thirty thousand dollars. I mean

you're in their business. You know what's going on? I

mean I know of attorney right pretty much?

Speaker 5: What's happening?

Speaker 2: Give them power of attorney. They gave you a house.

I mean, you know you're in their business, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5: I guess if you look at it that way.

Speaker 2: So what was the call like where you were present

for the call? Uh? To Mary Lynch? Is that correct? Or?

Speaker 5: No, I wasn't in the room.

Speaker 2: Called on her own, Jill call, No I call.

Speaker 6: She asked me?

Speaker 4: She said, well, how we're gonna pay the bills? I

mean it was we was having conversations like what are

we gonna do, How we're gonna do this, and we're

gonna do that. I said, well, the only thing I

know is you're gonna have to call the bank and

you're gonna have to see if they're gonna pay the bills.

Speaker 2: She I think she asked them to pay the bills, Okay,

And how much money did she ask for? You know,

not that I don't know.

Speaker 5: I don't think she asked for no particular amount of money.

Speaker 2: Okay. At some point did you talk to Arthur, Steven's brother.

I talked to Arthur when I forgot, I talked to him. Uh,

you forget get a lot of stuff, you know, you

know how much I've been through.

Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure, but I'm very like sometimes I'm just

like sitting here thinking to myself, you're telling me you're

this nurse right, which which I hold nurses in very

high regard.

Speaker 2: But you don't, Okay, all right, So but that that

was when did he go into henry Ford again?

Speaker 5: He went into henry Ford in August?

Speaker 2: Was he admitted in henry Ford?

Speaker 5: He was admitted into henry Ford for two day three days.

Speaker 2: I think it was three days, two or three two

or three And that's the one right here over here

in nineteen mile in Guardfield. Okay, but you think that

was August. I believe that was August. So he didn't

go to the hospital September or October. Other than the McLaren.

Speaker 5: He went a couple of times. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: He went up.

Speaker 3: That's not what you're saying, cause you said the last

time he went was August. Besides this last time he

went and died there. So you tell me you're the

nurse he went to.

Speaker 4: Let me see he went to henry Ford. Did he

go twice to Henryford and wants to McLaren, I wants

here beford. I think he went once to Henryford, which

I think was believe was in August, and so he.

Speaker 5: Would've went to McLaren.

Speaker 4: Twice once for or fall. No, wait a minute, it

may have been September, not August. The ambulance came, but

they didn't take 'em. He wouldn't go, kay, So they came.

They came out quite a few times though, cause he

was falling outside.

Speaker 2: Okay, okay, but you don't remember what exact dates.

Speaker 5: I can't remember the exact days.

Speaker 2: Cause he I But you know for sure, though, when

we talk about exact dates, you know for sure though

you left to go to Thailand on August or October nineteenth. Yeah,

I was act and that's for sure. You know that

a hundred percent. Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know a hundred percent that that power

of attorney you were talking about that was signed on

that same day he went to.

Speaker 2: The hospital for the strat yep, that I can remember yet, Okay,

and you know that a hundred percent to be true.

Speaker 5: That I'm thinking, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2: Yeah. So the same day he signs that paperwork, a

few hours later he has a stroke. Is that correct? Yeah?

Now that was the same day, and that's yeah, you're

saying that's the same day. Now you're saying that's that's

on the nineteenth, right, yeah, nineteen, And you're sure that's

the nineteenth. The same day you left.

Speaker 4: Well, if I have my phone, I can kind of

go in there and look, but I can't, So I

just I can't. I can't give prominent dates, and I

can't even look to see what I'm doing.

Speaker 2: Okay, But but you do remember prominent times like that

something takes place. So if Steve gets transported to the hospital,

that would be a for a stroke, right when you

had to do CPR and stuff on him. Right, Yeah,

that's a memorable that's a memorable day. Well because you

didn't do.

Speaker 5: But it was a very emotional day.

Speaker 2: Let me let me ask this, do you how many

times did you do CPR and Stephen once one time?

Right that same day he went to the hospital? Is

that correct? Yes?

Speaker 3: Okay, that is the same day. You're one hundred percent

sure that he signed that paperwork? Yes, yes, yes, all right, okay,

that's what Okay, So that to you, that would be

a memorable memorable day of a series of events that

took place that day. Because you don't do CPR in

somebody every day.

Speaker 5: No, you don't do CPR.

Speaker 2: But then here's the thing. When you're doing CPR.

Speaker 4: When you're doing CPR, you got adrenaline, RUSS, You move

in and you're just moving fast.

Speaker 5: Sure, but you would remember that's the.

Speaker 2: Same day that you know here he is, he signs

his paperwork and then a couple hours later.

Speaker 5: Are you trying to say I killed him? No, that's

not what I'm saying, That's what because that's what I

feel like.

Speaker 2: I feel like, No, No, I'm just I'm just trying

to get because you're you can't remember anything, which is

which is crazy to me that you're this you're this

nurse and you're you're an educated person and you can't

remember jack about your patients.

Speaker 4: What I remember about my days, days of things?

Speaker 5: Am I going to be remembering dates?

Speaker 2: Well? I don't know. It's not every day that you

do CPR on somebody. Yeah, but what did I said?

I did the CPR? Okay, so you said the same day? Actually,

you know what I got? Because is this what we're

talking about right here? This power of attorney right here?

It was another page. I think, yeah, this is this

is the pay Okay. So he signed that the same

day he went to the hospital. Yes, okay, and he

was present when this document was signed.

Speaker 6: That's correct, right, Yeah, say the nineteenth on here, right.

Speaker 2: So the same day he was taken to the hospitals

when he signed this. And you said he was present

for this signature?

Speaker 3: Yes, and which which signature, just because it's hard to

make up which signatures is his?

Speaker 5: Well, that's, say Steve, So that's.

Speaker 2: His signature, and that one is maybe somebody else. I

would assume maybe Jill. I don't know that wasn't there.

Speaker 5: I don't know what'd that say, but I know that,

say Steve.

Speaker 2: Okay. But but you were there when this document was signed.

Is that correct? I was there when the document was signed. Okay.

And this notary, you said, Steve contacted the notary, this

lady here.

Speaker 5: No, Steve didn't contact her. Steve contacted the other notary.

Speaker 2: Okay. So who contacted this notary?

Speaker 4: Who was this?

Speaker 2: It would be me? Okay, so you contacted her? Yeah, okay,

So she came to the house, and you said that

Jill was there, Steve was there, Kendraw was there, and

you couldn't remember who the other person was.

Speaker 5: He said Larry, right, No, I said, no, I don't

say Larry.

Speaker 2: I thought you said Larry. I've talked.

Speaker 5: I talked about Larry was being an employee.

Speaker 4: Okay, all right, when we were at the house. I

was saying, who the people was at the house.

Speaker 3: Who's Antoine Winter's that's my husband. Okay, so you'd remember

if he was there?

Speaker 2: Is that correct?

Speaker 3: No?

Speaker 2: Not really good? Oh, you wouldn't remember if your husband

was there. All right, let's cut to the chase here,

All right, let's cut to the Yeah, let's let's cut

to the chase.

Speaker 3: You are lying so badly it's it's almost hard to

even like contain myself. You are so full of crap,

it's not even funny this and this is what I'm

gonna say, Linda. People make bad decisions sometimes, and I've

been in the room with a lot of really.

Speaker 2: Bad people, and I think that I don't think you're

a bad person.

Speaker 3: I think you're somebody who made a bad choice and

a couple of bad choices.

Speaker 2: Okay, m hm. So I will tell you this right now.

This document right here is fraudulent, and you know from

from where I want to go through it, I'd be

happy to go through it with you. See this document

right here that you filed at the County Clerk's office

at the Register of Deeds. You filed this, you said

that's your signature, You said that this notary public was there. Okay,

all of that on a second. Let me let me know,

let me just explain to you. This person has to

be there when all these people signed and they put

this stamp right, you altered the stamp. You didn't even you.

Speaker 3: Didn't even spell this correctly. This guy's commission has been

inspired since twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2: Okay, this document right here fake fraud.

Speaker 5: That's not what he told me.

Speaker 2: No, that is totally this is you right here. This

is a fraudulent document. You turned it.

Speaker 5: I did sign this, Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 3: You signed it and you turned it into the Register

of deeds on November first, which is how many days

after Steve died.

Speaker 2: So here's what really happened. Here's what really happened, Linda,

is you.

Speaker 3: Took advantage of a situation. And I don't know, I

don't walk in your shoes. Maybe you have some financial issues,

maybe you need some money for something. No, but you

were taking advantage of these people. You tried to get

their house. You tried to put it up for sale.

Speaker 2: You tried to put this house for sale that you

filled out and filed a fraudulent document for you tried

to put it up for sale. I did, yeah, in

the last couple days, three weeks, but within the last

two weeks trying to put it on When you filed

this fraudulent piece of crap form right here that you made,

that's what happened. I got you on camera walking in there,

got you on camera filing this. That's a fake. That's

a fake notary And guess what, they're not called notary republics,

They're called notary public You said I altered, you altered

this document. It's a fraudulent document that you altered it,

you forged it, you made it. Either way, it's a fraud. No,

I didn't. It gives to the die. Okay, I already

looked them up, already found them. You know how hard

it is to find those people.

Speaker 5: It's not listen, I know that.

Speaker 2: So let's get into another one. Then let's talk about

this document, since we're.

Speaker 3: Going to talk about documents and being fraud Okay, this

document right here you're lying about.

Speaker 2: You've already looked at this document. Are you really that

ignorant that you don't know what this document? You got

new glasses now, man, you're full of excuses. This is hilarious.

This document right here. You said, you said, hey, yeah,

he was there. Stephen was there. She came and notarized it. Yeah,

I don't remember who was there, but it's Antoine Winners.

Who's your husband? Who you would remember? Kendra seems to

be showing up in a lot of these this signature

up here. Who the heck is that? Joe can't even

hold a pen? Whose signature is that right there?

Speaker 4: Do you care?

Speaker 2: Whose signature is that right there? You're saying Steve's because

you say Steve was there. Guess what? Steve was on

life support when this document was signed? Lie support. Yes

he was.

Speaker 3: And you know who told and you know who told

the doctors at the hospital to make him comfortable because

there was nothing else they could do.

Speaker 5: It was you, because it was nothing else they could do. Okay, No,

I'm saying you said because it was nothing else they

could do.

Speaker 2: That's yeah, they told me Steve was going right, I said,

you said, make him comfortable, take them off life support.

Speaker 5: I didn't tell him to take him off life support.

Speaker 2: Aren't you a nurse?

Speaker 5: Yes, I didn't tell him to take him off no

life support.

Speaker 2: So all these doctors are lying. All what doctors do

you do? You understand English. Like, I'm really having a

hard time here because I'm asking you a question. Doctors,

what doctors do you think? I talk to one doctor?

You talk to one doctor? How many times I talked

to the doctor three times? Okay? What's the doctor's name?

I don't remember his name? Okay, you know what?

Speaker 4: No?

Speaker 2: Why because you're lying?

Speaker 5: I told you he was at MacLaren.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I know in the medical records at McLaren say

that they spoke to you. I said, and that you

and that you said that you were the niece, you

had power of attorney, and that to make him comfortable

because he needs comfort care. There's nothing else they could

do for him.

Speaker 6: That's not true.

Speaker 2: That's not true because my doctors.

Speaker 5: Lie about that because they're doctors.

Speaker 2: But your line, so I would sit here and go, well,

you're already caught in a lie. You're calling.

Speaker 4: I just told you when you asked me, when you

asked me, I told you, I said, let me please,

let me say this.

Speaker 5: When you asked me, you said you asked me about

the doctor.

Speaker 4: I said, they called me when I was in Turk,

when we got to Turkey, say they was trying to

reach me because Steve was going and he was going

to have a heart attack and they were keeping him comfortable,

and I said, oh, hey, call me with an update.

They called me back thirty minutes later and said that

he was gone. Yeah, he had a female He had

a female nurse that day and he had it.

Speaker 5: It was only one male doe.

Speaker 2: So you definitely got caught off gerd today. And I'll

give you that. But here's the thing is, your story's

so outstretched and it's got so many holes in it.

You already committed fraud right here. So to me, this

is already like whatever. But I think I think I

just need to bottom line you right here. Is that

you don't seem like an evil person. I'm not an

evil person, but I think you I think you were bad.

Speaker 5: Ever take advantage of her?

Speaker 2: I love her? Okay, well it kind of looks like

you're taking advantage of her.

Speaker 5: Oh I asked her to let me take her everything.

I take care of myself on my own.

Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, if you call, if you call, if you was,

I'm just saying, there is people that you just saw.

Speaker 2: I mean, you're just kind of, you know, digging that hole.

But I did say it. I said it the time

for you.

Speaker 3: Here's the time for you to tell the truth. Now's

the time for you to tell the truth, because guess what.

Guess what, it's You're the only one that can can

write your path because the path you were going down

is not a good one.

Speaker 2: You're caught. You're caught. You you know it. I know it.

You are caught. Okay, you I.

Speaker 5: Don't remember, but I don't. I can't remember everything.

Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a long time.

Speaker 3: I've sat here and interviewed a lot of people, and

I just know when people lie to me, I get

I get lied to constantly. Okay, And what what you

don't understand, what what you don't understand is that you

know what's what's your what's your son's name? Did you

say you had a son or daughter?

Speaker 2: I have a son. You have a son. What's your

son's name? Jeremy? So when Jeremy little, and this is

just kind of like a for instance, right, So if

Jeremy was little and you were in the other room

and you hear your favorite bowl or vase or something

like that fall in the ground and break, and you

walk around the corner and it's just it's just Jeremy

standing there and you're like, hey, what happened to my vase?

And he's like, I don't know. I don't know what

happened to that vase. I have no idea. I don't know.

I don't remember. I don't remember like where I was

standing or anything when that vase broke. I don't really know.

Speaker 3: Or you walk over there and you said, hey, Jeremy,

what happened to that? And he says, you know what, Mom,

I made a mistake.

Speaker 2: I was playing with my ball. I knocked your vase over.

I'm really sorry.

Speaker 3: I started to kind of lie to you, but you

know what, I'm just gonna tell you I broke the vase.

Don't you think you'd be a little bit less mad

at Jeremy for tell you the truth? Still mad, the

vase is broken. He's still going to have to get

punishment for that vase being broken and him playing with

his ball inside, But at least you would kind of know, right, Like,

I'm glad he told me the truth at the end, right,

rather than ride this, because if you would have been

riding that lieout, you'd have been more mad, Is that correct?

Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

Speaker 3: I have kids, same thing for me with you. The situation,

this situation, this situation is no different. This situation is

no different. And if you want to keep telling these lies,

then it's just going to go down that road of

this is going to go to a.

Speaker 2: Prosecutor, it's going to go to a judge, and somebody's

going to be making decisions about you. What's going to

happen to you for the rest of your life? Do

you really want to ride this lie through there? Or

do you do all of that? You didn't do it?

Speaker 5: No, I when you asked me about the register, I

told you I took it down there, that's correct.

Speaker 2: And you said you signed this document. You said Steve

was present and this notary was present, and guess what,

none of them were.

Speaker 5: So that notary said he wasn't there.

Speaker 2: This is fake?

Speaker 5: How do I know he was fake?

Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, so you're saying Steve set up a fake notary.

Listen this, but you're turned us in the stamp right

here says I turned ten fourteen, right October fourteenth, twenty

twenty four here right, listen to me, because I'm gonna

say the same thing. But I do need you to

hear me.

Speaker 5: I don't know who this is this was a registry

of notary who came to the house. I don't know

this person, but he.

Speaker 2: Came to the house, okay on October fourteenth. Yes, okay,

what if I told you? That's a complete lie? How

because he came, that's a complete lie? Oh my god? Well,

who was he? You tell me?

Speaker 3: Was he an imaginary friend? Was he just somebody that

didn't exist? You're caught, Please, Linda, you're really going to

ride this out. You're You're totally this out.

Speaker 2: This guy came to the house. That's fine.

Speaker 5: I own everything you asked me.

Speaker 2: I own, but I'm not taking that you own.

Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the house you're trying to their house.

You were trying to steal their house. Stephen wasn't giving

you that house. Oh my god, Stephen wasn't giving you

that house. And I can't believe you think anybody believes that.

Speaker 2: My god, this is crazy. It is crazy. It's crazy

that you think anybody is going to believe your crap.

You're so fellow? Can you call? I already talked to him.

Speaker 5: Okay, so he didn't tell you.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Jim Phagan, I got everybody you talked to.

Speaker 5: Well, everybody's saying the opposite.

Speaker 2: Of what you're saying. So what are you gonna do?

What you mean, you're trying to get money from Merrill Lynch.

You're trying to get them to send money. You went

over to the funeral home, you had him cremated. That's

not what Jewish people do. That's what Jill said she wanted.

Speaker 3: She talked to She talked to his Jill, who's not

even able to sign a document like this power of attorney.

And I guarantee you when I start peeling the layers

back further and further, you're gonna be There's gonna be

a lot of money being transferred and different things like that.

Speaker 2: But what I really want to know is money. You

didn't how come you didn't tell the family that Stephen died.

Speaker 5: I couldn't talk. I called I when I felt when

I felt like I could.

Speaker 2: Talk, I did.

Speaker 5: By the time I called Mikky, I called.

Speaker 2: I mean, no, I didn't call. The son had called me,

not calling me. He text me what son, Jeff? Jeff

had text me before I could even call him back. Right, So,

you say you're in Thailand October nineteenth to October twenty

third or twenty fourth, you're not sure you're sick. You

lost your voice at that time.

Speaker 5: I'm still recovering now.

Speaker 2: So the other the other part of this is so

you're talking to these doctors though before you got sick,

Is that correct? Yeah?

Speaker 4: I talk I talked to the the doctor before I

got sick. I got sick the day we went back.

I'm I mean, well I went back, but we we

left Turkey, went to.

Speaker 2: Thailand.

Speaker 5: So then we were we went there, we scheduled to

come back.

Speaker 4: On the way back.

Speaker 5: Was when we was in Turkey was when I got sick,

cause we had to stay in.

Speaker 4: Turkey for twenty four hours. Okay, So I started getting

just chills, s sick. My thought was hurting, it was scratchy,

I couldn't it was just I was sick.

Speaker 2: My eyes was running.

Speaker 4: The next morning we left out, I didn't have a

voice that day. I didn't have voys for about three

or four days. We took a EL I think eleven

a L eleven or ten and a half hour flight

back to Michigan, Okay, from Turkey, right, yeah, because it

was from install instable Turkey, So Turkey went from.

Speaker 2: It's more of like a fourteen hour flight really trying

to think the last time I was over there, Yeah,

something like that. I probably it might be right.

Speaker 5: I mean because I slept, because I took some second.

Speaker 2: Details are very fuzzy at times. I get that. Well, no,

it's not so much that it's fuzzy, but I have been. Yeah.

So you talked to the doctors, though, And you're saying

that you talked to the the doctors and you would

call Jill on Paulette's phone, and Jill would make these

decisions even though Jill signed over a power of attorney

to Steven that you were witnessed to months ago. Yeah, but.

Speaker 3: If you're taking it, I mean, we we both know.

We both know that Jill wasn't right of mind. We

both know that, and you cannot deny that because you're

a nurse.

Speaker 5: Did you talk to her, Yes, and she ain't riding

in her riding mind.

Speaker 2: No. And if you're sitting here telling me you didn't

know that, you're so full of it.

Speaker 5: When I said, when you're completely full of it, j

has metal body.

Speaker 3: Let me get to the best part this document right

here that you claim that Stephen was present for when

he signed it.

Speaker 2: He wasn't. No, he wasn't. Okay, thank you, But why liar.

Look but this one, liar, this one, that one, whoever

it is is, he did come to No, no, you

fake this. This is fraud all day long. This you're

getting you're getting charged with that one.

Speaker 5: Listen, this person came to that, this person.

Speaker 2: Right here made up that document. No, I did not.

I don't even know what you get the document because

you didn't even you didn't even you didn't figure this out, right,

Audia Wayne, State of Michigan, City of Detroit, Stephen didn't

do this document. Listen. I didn't even read the document. Okay.

So now let's get back to this. You lied to

me about this, yes, yes, yes you did.

Speaker 5: But I didn't lie about this one.

Speaker 2: Okay. Well, this is a lie. This is fraud.

Speaker 5: It wasn't from me though.

Speaker 2: Okay, it was from you. You signed it and you

turned it in and in fact, this stamp up here,

that's what I want to see. That this is the

best part. This stamp right here that you had on

this document. That's not a real stamp. Listen, the Register

of Deeds contacted me and let me know that this

is fraudulent. This is a document you signed and you

turned in. Is that correct? I signed this and you

turned it in, and thank you, But I did not

this parson to the house earlier. Let me just point

something out to you, since I don't pay attention to detail. Earlier,

when I asked you about a notary public, you said

a notary republic.

Speaker 5: Yeah, I always call him, I know you do.

Speaker 2: You did right here too, where it says notary republic,

because guess what, it's notary public. That's not even a

that's not even a state because you altered this, forged it.

This ain't no real stamp is talk to? You know

that this ain't no real stan So who did you

talk to? This guy right here? His notary commission expired

in twenty twenty two. You are caught, and I.

Speaker 5: Can do a polygraph.

Speaker 2: I I'd love for you to get on a polygraph.

You know what, it's hilarious. You're gonna fail it so

bad it's not even funny. And all these all these

doctors are lying to at the hospital. They tell me, okay,

you talked one doctor, so that one doctor's.

Speaker 5: Lying lying about what?

Speaker 2: So this is Linda Polk who is next to Ken.

Speaker 5: Next to King.

Speaker 2: You're not a niece and and they document. You realize

they document your conversation, you know, Yeah, okay, so it

was your decision to make Stephen comfortable. Isn't that correct?

Speaker 4: No, they told me Steve was being made comfortable at

this time, and that Steve is he's probably going to

go into a respiratory distress, I mean, not stress, a

heart attack because he's metabolic iscidosis.

Speaker 2: Isn't it true that you instructed them to make him comfortable?

Speaker 4: No, I just I told you from the beginning they

said they were that they are making him comfortable.

Speaker 2: Why are you lying about this about what?

Speaker 5: Why are you lying about this about Steve being comfortable Steve?

Speaker 3: First of all, you've been lying about Steve this whole time,

saying the same day he signed this document, which wasn't

the same day, and he wasn't present for that document.

But then he goes to the hospital, you did CPR

and you saved him.

Speaker 2: He hopped up. Sounds like a really crazy Lifetime movie.

Speaker 4: I didn't say what I say.

Speaker 2: It was okay, you didn't say he hopped up. I said,

so he came to right and then he just kept

saying Jim fageon Jim fageon.

Speaker 5: Oh my, well, where did you get Jim from?

Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, you can't even keep it straight.

Speaker 5: I can't keep what straight?

Speaker 2: You're lies because you're you're lying. So why am I?

Speaker 5: Why did I?

Speaker 2: So let's just get Jim tell you this power of

attorney document right here you already said you lied about.

Is that correct? Or is or is that not correct? No?

I agree with it, Yeah you lied, But this one,

that one you're gonna say no because he was there.

You're gonna do the shaggy defense here, wasn't me. I

got good luck.

Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna have to take my chance on it,

because yeah.

Speaker 2: Sure this person wait there all day long. We'll take

our chances on it too. No problem. You took a

fraudulent document because you were trying to steal these people's house.

Speaker 5: I wasn't trying to steal anything.

Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were. Nobody was gonna ever buy any

of this? Can you tell?

Speaker 3: Oh, Katie, I want to make sure you get Katie

gets her two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and you

know the other two hundred and fifty thousand dollars gonna

go to jail.

Speaker 5: Two hundred and fifty go to jail. Yeah, don't know

how much is left in there.

Speaker 2: You seem to know that earlier in this conversation. No,

I said it was about it was about six.

Speaker 5: Seven hundred, yep.

Speaker 2: And I said, he's so, what's two fifty plus two fifty?

We're gonna start doing man, you remember how to do math? Right? Listen,

hold on, Hold on, all right, Jim, Jim Phasian.

Speaker 4: If you look on my phone, you will see Katie's

mom texting me about money.

Speaker 2: Let's talk about Katie, you know, let's talk.

Speaker 5: Wait a minute, I'm trying.

Speaker 2: To so go ahead. I mean, I'm not gonna believe you,

but go ahead.

Speaker 5: Though, believe me on what I'm telling you.

Speaker 2: You're gonna tell me the truth now right.

Speaker 4: I am telling you that Katie's mom wanted to know

about the money.

Speaker 2: Jim wanted to know about the money. Yeah, okay, all right,

Jim Phasian asked me and said he wanted to make

sure that Katie was taken care of.

Speaker 5: Are you don't believe me that just saying that?

Speaker 4: No, go ahead, because he said our child, Steve, daughter

of special needs, which he said that Steve called him

on the phone and talked about Katie. The money in

the house. Now you say you talked to him, then

he would be able to tell you that. And if

he don't, I don't know why, because that was the

conversation that they wanted to know about the money, because

he wanted to make sure her daughter was taken care

of it.

Speaker 2: And I told him, yeah, he did.

Speaker 4: He said it was gonna leave her two hundred and

fifty thousand dollars. I said, so everything should be said.

I faxed him over.

Speaker 2: I mean not facts, not facts. It's not car facts

not facts. It's another one. It's another one. I can't

remember what that is either, right, it's.

Speaker 4: Not it's not no not emails scan scan scan scan

scan self scan. I scanned over the documents for because

I got a I got a text from Jump Asian

asking me for the information.

Speaker 3: How about when Katie tries to call Steve's phone, Steve's

phone doesn't nobody answers, and she texts Steve's phone and

somebody responds, who is this? She says, Katie, your daughter,

and then that person proceeds to respond with acting like

they're Steven and that they'll call them.

Speaker 2: What do you mean do you remember this? Do you

remember doing this? Texting Katie and Steve's phone. Wow text No, No,

you don't remember that.

Speaker 3: No, Okay, that was on October twenty fifth. That was

six days after Stephen was already dead.

Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, you know what at the house, you

know what? Like, I'm good. Like you're clearly you don't

really want to be honest.

Speaker 5: I'm being honest.

Speaker 2: I mean more than what person. You're not fooling me.

Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're not fooling me. You've already committed

fraud here. And you've already committed fraud here.

Speaker 2: I didn't commit fraud, Yes you did. And you were

stealing from these people. I guarantee you stealing. Yep. And

you made a decision that you had no right to make.

What you made a decision. You made medical decisions for

Stephen that you had no right to make. I talked

to Jill, really Jill, who doesn't know that her sons

are adults and they're two and four and she just

went for a two mile walk that Jill. Oh lord, yeah,

I know you're caught again. I go back to it.

You're caught. This document right here that you lied about.

This is the document you were using at the funeral. Home.

This I did.

Speaker 3: I told you, Yeah, I know, and you already know

it's a fake document because Steve was never present when

this was signed.

Speaker 2: You signed Steve's name for him. I can help you

out with that. Do you want me to help you?

But you are already admitted to it. Yeah, that's you

signed Steve's name right there.

Speaker 5: I already admitted to it.

Speaker 2: Okay, And you were making stuff you had no right

to make those decisions for for Steve. Who was not you?

I'm saying, who to tell me? Who was? Okay? When

was the first person in Steven's family notified of Stephen's death?

Speaker 5: When I when I found his number?

Speaker 2: Who was the first person that was notified?

Speaker 5: I only know one when family members and when I

believe it was on the.

Speaker 4: Let me see, it had to be somewhere on the

twenty twenties fifth six, I.

Speaker 2: Can't say six seven days later. We don't really remember.

Speaker 3: No.

Speaker 2: So if somebody you act like, oh i'm nie, I

I'm me s you know this is my niece and

all that.

Speaker 3: You act like, oh that's my uncle. You act like

all this like you give a crap about this guy.

But you're not gonna call one of his family members.

Speaker 2: After I did not have the number. We had to

get the phone and try to get it. So it

took you seven days.

Speaker 4: Oh my god, Well you got the phone. How about

you look at it and you see what I'm saying.

I will, I will, because the phone is cracked up? Okay,

And if you look at his.

Speaker 2: Phone, you know what's cracked up to is your story?

Your story cracked up? It sucks. Did you look at

his phone? Hey, listen, listen. You're the one who has

to live with all this stuff. Did you?

Speaker 3: You took advantage of these people. You took advantage of

these people. You were gonna steal their house because you

tried to do a quick claim deed and you tried

to contact a realtor who thought, to himself, this is

really weird. Why would this person do this? This is

the circumstances behind this are suspicious. And you file a

fake document. You already you already admitted this is fake.

Speaker 2: You file this fake.

Speaker 5: It's not fake.

Speaker 2: No, you're right, you're right, this document which is totally

fake and fraudulent, which you're gonna ride this, that's fine.

The guy who was there, yeah, I bet you probably

called him. You probably Hey, do me a favor. I'll

pay you. You know, I'll pay you a little extra.

Speaker 5: Hey, what I was taking care of you?

Speaker 2: Yeah? I bet out of your own wallet.

Speaker 5: Oh so who was taking care of Jill?

Speaker 2: I have no idea who was taking care of Jill.

I know who was taking from Jill. I know who

that is.

Speaker 5: How was I taken from Jill?

Speaker 2: Okay, you know what. We'll loser.

Speaker 5: I'll tell you what I bought Jill.

Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3: I don't have any more questions for you, because quite frankly,

I really don't feel like listening this, Moore. And if

you think anybody's gonna believe that a jury or your

peers or whoever, then go ahead ride it out.

Speaker 2: All good? This is this is all wrong, Okay, it is.

If you want to come clean, Linda and just let

me know what happened. I know you're you know you're

roping other people.

Speaker 3: Into this too, right, I'm not roping nobody into Hendrum.

Kendrum and then Kendrew was there, okay, and then your

husband he.

Speaker 2: Was there, correct, So okay, whatever, I'm not gonna keep

going around and around with you. But remember who I

don't remember it was Kendra. Maybe Kendra was there?

Speaker 5: Hit who else was there?

Speaker 2: Only the guy I live with and then married to.

Speaker 5: You are such a liar. It is unbelievable how much

you're a liar.

Speaker 2: You are caught red handed. So if you'd like to

tell me the truth, I'd be happy to hear it.

You want to do a polygraph, We could set that

up for you, no problem, I really do. Okay, perfect,

I really do. Perfect, I'll do.

Speaker 5: Because I'm telling you.

Speaker 2: That guy came. You can call me and I can

set you up for that polygraph test. That's no problem

at all.

Speaker 5: Well, can't you just set me up for before?

Speaker 2: No, we don't.

Speaker 3: We don't have somebody standing by the way to talk

to people. I'm polygraphs, So we'll make an appointment.

Speaker 5: I'm saying, Can I?

Speaker 2: Well can I?

Speaker 5: That's what I was really saying. Can I just make

an appointment now I'm here?

Speaker 2: No, because I don't hold his books, so you'll have

to call him.

Speaker 5: That I was actually accent.

Speaker 2: Okay, got anything else you want to say before you leave?

I want to tell the truth. I just told you,

but you lied. Then you're saying you told me the truth.

You told me to tell you the truth.

Speaker 5: And then when I tell you the truth, you don't

believe me.

Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, because there's holes in that.

Speaker 5: It's holes. Tell me where the holes are.

Speaker 2: I'm done? You done? You want to be done?

Speaker 5: I'm asking a question.

Speaker 2: You got holes all over the place.

Speaker 5: Because I can't remember the exact dates.

Speaker 2: I don't understand how you.

Speaker 5: I hadn't been sick, i'd have had the fluid.

Speaker 2: I'd have been.

Speaker 4: I'd have been I'd have dealt with the police every day,

three days a week, trying to and taking care of jail.

Speaker 5: And I was paying people to help take care of jail.

Speaker 2: Yep. And you were gonna get a four hundred and

thirty thousand dollars house. All is a reward, eh No,

That's what I always left after the two fifty and

the two fifty? What was I gonna do with that?

I told them to take them know what you were

going to do? But I told them to take the money.

You're living pretty large.

Speaker 5: I don't know how am I living large?

Speaker 2: Okay? But hey, all good because I'm not broke. No,

you're not. Do you file taxes for your for your

your business? Yeah?

Speaker 5: I don't have a business, Okay.

Speaker 2: I don't have a filing come taxes for yourself what

you made? Okay? Do you use a tax person for that?

Speaker 5: Yes?

Speaker 2: I don't know how to do tax Who is that?

Speaker 4: It's the company? Yeah, the company is on grash it

and grash it in bednight.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 4: True true taxes, true tax taxes true true.

Speaker 2: Se file federal and state taxes federal state in a

wellowt file city.

Speaker 3: Okay, So for twelve thousand, roughly thirteen thousand dollars a month,

you have a tax record for all that.

Speaker 4: Not for thirteen thousand dollars a month, because I don't

make the thirteen thousand dollars a month because other people

were paid.

Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do they do they claim taxes.

Speaker 5: To I can't tell you what they do.

Speaker 2: Now you've listened. Now go do your thing.