Mom Left Daughter Alone With Boyfriend, Then Finds Daughter Unresponsive
Mom Left Daughter Alone With Boyfriend, Then Finds Daughter Unresponsive
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Speaker 2: It's a death investigation. You know that her age and
things like that. This is something that we're going to do.
Speaker 1: We'll explain all that to you, okay, and answer any
questions that you do have for us as we as
you move forward. But yeah, this is something that you know,
we're just kind of working through. And in this particular case,
what's kind of happening right now is somewhat standard.
Speaker 2: We you don't go through and we.
Speaker 3: A lot questions she's a child or we didn't ask
you a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: And I know because you know there's a lot going on,
and you know, we didn't have all the information and everything.
Speaker 1: And then as things kind of progress, we started digging
into a little more detail and digging through things. So
we'll explain everything to you. Hey, I want to wait
for Brian to get in here, so if you.
Speaker 2: Can use any questions in case you ask any questions,
and we're gonna want to answer that. Did you need something?
Cover it back? But we really appreciate it coming down yoursel.
Yeah you're worried. We're gonna hopefully put your mind at
ease a little bit. You're okay, you.
Speaker 1: Just so you don't you're not in any trouble, you're
not a hussidy, you're gotten to arrest.
Speaker 2: You're free to leave here any time you want.
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to answer any questions you have.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that I.
Speaker 4: Have nothing to hide my girl through my world.
Speaker 2: And I know that because I thought what you before.
Speaker 4: I just it's confused because of her passing.
Speaker 1: And you understand, right, yes, can you understand we're just
closing this door for privacy.
Speaker 2: If you want to leave it, I'll just let us
know open door you.
Speaker 4: Oh, I am perfectly find the answer English.
Speaker 2: Can you just want to go through?
Speaker 1: And we didn't, you know, do this the night of
because you know, there's a lot going on and we.
Speaker 2: Didn't don't have all the information that we had.
Speaker 3: And then they just took her down to do an
optopsy today and I haven't got I don't know if
she's even sure back air what the corner said on there, Okay,
the rackets corner thought it would.
Speaker 4: Be that she asked urated from her cure because she
does have a.
Speaker 3: Feeding too, and sometimes lately she's been getting sick and
throwing her up.
Speaker 2: Okay? How old is she?
Speaker 4: She is twenty okay.
Speaker 2: And so she's got some medical issues.
Speaker 4: She has cerebral palsy and seizures.
Speaker 2: Okay. How long has she been suffering from all those?
Speaker 4: Some baby?
Speaker 3: Okay, she's always had a Caesar disorder for baby, and
she's I believe she was three months or two months
when they diagnosed her with serbral palsy.
Speaker 2: Okay. How often does she have seizures?
Speaker 3: She hadn't had a seizure since fourth grade. Oh, but
she's still on her medications that I was just gonna
bring him down tomorrow to have her meds destroyed.
Speaker 1: Okay, So she actually hasn't had a Caesar since fourth grade?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And how long ago was that?
Speaker 4: Fourth grade? When she was probably ten or eleven?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Okay, But in her EEG was normal last year.
Speaker 4: And that's the first. It's every but normal. Even Desi's
has a Seeser disorder. Its yeah, been normal.
Speaker 3: And both of them had a normal Caesar EEG this
year on their test.
Speaker 4: Sure, but they left her on their meds because they
didn't know if it was just a fluke or on
both of them, or if because their.
Speaker 3: Doctor says a possibility could still have them even though
it's a normal eeg.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's what's does he's normal day like or not?
Speaker 4: See?
Speaker 3: I mean normally she goes to Connections in the morning
and then I go to work and then I'm.
Speaker 4: Home to get him off the bus. Okay, and I
put him on the bus.
Speaker 2: What does she do at Connections?
Speaker 4: She it's a day program at Connections.
Speaker 3: They both go to whatever activities they have for her there,
and then she just started going to ODC's on Mondays.
So on Monday she would go to ODC and then
Tuesday through Friday she would go to Connections.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, So do you have help with her.
Speaker 2: In the morning?
Speaker 4: No, I do everything.
Speaker 2: You do everything. You don't have any in care home,
no anywhere? No one care workers anymore.
Speaker 3: A couple of what an instant with the destinied with
the one that I was with you on.
Speaker 2: Yes, after that, no more.
Speaker 3: No, they they didn't send nobody else because they had
one company, but that worker left the company and they
could not find nobody in the area.
Speaker 4: To come in.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the program that paid for it, yeah, the Family
Support group, they decided they'll just leave it since they
couldn't get a ruppable agency. They they can be one
could be there all the time.
Speaker 2: Sure, so you have the responsibility to take care of
their Yes. Do you have any other jobs or anything?
Speaker 3: I just work at Nacousa Court from ninety two thirty
Nucusa Court, the court, Yeah, Nakusa Cord.
Speaker 2: Angels Retire Oh, the retirement home.
Speaker 3: I'm a housekeeper there, and then I was trained on
the floor as a nurse, and I did work part
time in the kitchen department too.
Speaker 2: You're a jack of all trades. Yes, So what's your
your your housekeeper? Yes? And what's your hours?
Speaker 3: From ninety am to two thirty Monday through Thursday and
then Friday it was nine to twelve thirty or nine
to noon. But I just asked to have my hours
increase in Sammy's until two thirty for extra income. Since
Sammy's passing, she's on disability. I'm gonna lose that in
March cause she won't get a check.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that is that your only job?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: And you said you so, you said you had just
recently requested.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 3: Did that today a messenger to day that I would
like some extra hours, and she asked if I would
be willing to her kitchen every other weekend. I told
her I didn't hand nobody to take care of dussy, right, okay.
And Paul said that he could take get her off
the bus until I got home or watched her day
in the day on the weekends, okay, But I didn't
give her an answer. I just told her that I
would do the Monday through Fridays ninety two thirty cause
I would put her on the bus she'd get they
got picked up by eight thirty. So then I left
at the day the bus left and went into work
till two thirty. Sure, okay, And they normally home by
between three two three thirty.
Speaker 2: And let's just run through this again really quick, so
I get this right.
Speaker 1: So she Sammy goes to Connections during the day Tuesday
through Friday.
Speaker 2: Which time was she'd even go there?
Speaker 3: Which and the bus normally picks her up at eight
thirty and brings her back between three and three thirty.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so you're you're you're working in between those hours?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is there? And then what about ODC on.
Speaker 3: Oh DC is the same time Wheels of Independence picks
both girls up and drops them up about little after
three to through thirty.
Speaker 2: Okay, And then what about does he does she do
the same thing?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is it the same programming? Yes, the same times they
go together. Yes, they ride a bus during the day.
You got the halts yourself and kind.
Speaker 2: Of have a break on. They're gone yet home if
you're not working.
Speaker 4: Normally, I'm at home and I'm out at work, and
then on the weekends, I'm at home.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have the weekends on and then on the weekends.
What are the girls do on the weekends?
Speaker 6: Normally when girls watches TV, but they're all on the weekends,
they don't go to an they don't go.
Speaker 2: For the programs. Is that at connections? What's going on
at Connections? What are they doing? Where?
Speaker 3: Does he normally sometimes take them out bowling? Or they
do art projects? They sometimes make food projects.
Speaker 4: That's over by the y m C in rapids, Okay.
Speaker 2: In rapids by the way, I'm see all right, all right,
I know where ODC is. Then okay, and they both go.
They both go the same times. That's kind of the deal.
What about Paul? How long have you been with Paul?
Speaker 4: Been with Paul for four months okay.
Speaker 2: And where's Paul work.
Speaker 4: Paul works out in Breezeburg and a foundry.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, like came up on the weekends and stuff.
Speaker 2: And so you've been with room for four months? Does
that mean you've guys been.
Speaker 4: Dating for four dating for four months? Okay?
Speaker 2: And does he even living with.
Speaker 4: You for four months too? Okay?
Speaker 2: So when did he move in?
Speaker 3: He just started and even named maybe two weeks ago okay, yeah,
about two weeks ago, might have been three weeks.
Speaker 2: Does he stay with you daily then or how does
that work? Like is he over there every night?
Speaker 5: Yes, for the last two weeks okay. He doesn't have
another place that he lives anymore.
Speaker 3: And you said he works at the works out there
Fondre and Reesburg anymore. He did work that up there,
except then he okay, the Fondre closed part of his position.
So he came to stay with me, and he was
gonna play at the he played at the mill, but
then he the interview, Sammy got had that hit hit
herself and she had a year in track effection Wednesday.
She was in the er last week and she they
figure she.
Speaker 4: Hit herself because of the you're in track affection. She
came to bed of.
Speaker 3: Because she's been hitting herself lately, okay, and then her
hand had a knuckle was swallen where she was hitting
herself and the girls on the bed thing the mattress passed,
she can push it down, and we assume that she
grabbed it and smacked.
Speaker 4: Her head again.
Speaker 1: So because of the infection. Okay, we'll get into some
of that stuff. So he worked at the.
Speaker 2: Foundery in Greensburg. And when did he leave there.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the same time he moved in with you that
about a week later. Maybe he can get with you
after a week. So he no longer works there is.
Speaker 4: Not that I don't know.
Speaker 3: He don't longer. Yeah, he plied at the Nukusa paper mill.
He had an interview on Monday. But Sammy wasn't feeling
good because that on yeah, Tuesday, I believe it was.
And I she woke up swallen and I put we
put ice packs on her because.
Speaker 4: Her head was swallen and she didn't get sicker. Thing.
Speaker 3: And then Ondnesday, because I just kept her home and
stuff cause from connections and connections called ah her family
support worker, Ashley, And now she came out and Wednesday,
and we had ambulance come out and she went out
through her CT scans were normal.
Speaker 4: There was nothing wrong.
Speaker 2: Okay. That was when I came to the UH when
you went.
Speaker 5: To the hospital with her, Yes, okay, And they did
a CT scan at the.
Speaker 3: Hospital and that was a normal and the doctors assumed
that she became agitated because of the un tract infection.
Speaker 4: He said that can happen.
Speaker 2: Okay, m how did you meet Paul?
Speaker 3: I'm plenty of fish is yes, but I almost can
guarantee he's not that type of person.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't hurt her. Okay, So what's the typical date
for two guys?
Speaker 3: No, we just sit I'm watching We used together, okay
in the bedroom at home. You don't cause I don't
have a rustler person. My mom sometimes used to. But
we had an ace with my dad at Dollar General.
That's why I had my hour switch to be home
to put them on and off the bus. So my
dad threatened to shoot him during Thanksgiving. Oh wow, that
family dollars.
Speaker 2: Why did he do that?
Speaker 3: Because my dad never liked anybody, didn't want me to
date anybody or any.
Speaker 4: And my dad never met him.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's done he did that with the girls with
fat When I first started dating, he threatened to shoot him.
Speaker 2: Oh so he don't. You don't know what he's got
against him, He just didn't.
Speaker 4: He never met him, Okay.
Speaker 3: Nice The first day that he was supposed to meet him,
that he came up to visit us when we first
started dating, I told him to come out, told Paul
to come out and meet my dad because they were
out in the front. My dad yelled and called me
a whore and took off. Okay, and he didn't. Never
wanted them to after that.
Speaker 5: So after that, you had to switch your hours so
you're always home.
Speaker 2: Nobody else ever, scar of the kids.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how are things going to Paul's everything seemed
to be going to describe your guys as a relationship.
Speaker 3: It's great, were planning. He got me a promise ring,
and I've read here he's got the stone in a
rubber ducky that's waiting to just to get it sat
put into a ring.
Speaker 2: And when did you when did you do that?
Speaker 4: Two weeks after we started dating.
Speaker 2: He gave me a promise ring. Okay, okay, okay, what's Paul?
Was he married before?
Speaker 4: No? Yeah, he's never been marrying stuff.
Speaker 1: And when you guys started dating, So you guys have
been together for four months. But he just moved in
maybe two or three weeks. Yes, prior to the two
or three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: You're spending quite a bit of time. Now.
Speaker 4: He only came up on the weekends.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you can not be here during the week
at all.
Speaker 1: Just come up on the weekends, all right, And what
would you guys do?
Speaker 2: What time when you get here on the weekend?
Speaker 3: Though normally he got there aboutween four to five after
I got home from work, and then normally he got
up Friday on Thursday. Sometimes sometimes he if he had
to work overtime, it would be Friday and.
Speaker 2: Thursday day he would come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two weeks before he moved in, he was staying
in a motel in Raisburg for a couple of weeks
and he moved to be closer Reethsburg. And then in
his position, they were coming downsize that he's only been
at that company for three months.
Speaker 4: So at the same time he got that job, we met.
Speaker 2: And so when you guys met, he was just starting
with the founder.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he was there for about three months.
Speaker 2: He lived down in Rethsburg at that time.
Speaker 3: He lived in Moston at that time, and do you
know what month that was or what time we started dating?
Speaker 4: In September I believe it was.
Speaker 2: Does he always to your house or have you ever gone?
Speaker 3: He's always coming to my house because I never had
anybody to watch the girls for me to.
Speaker 4: Go up there.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, because I don't.
Speaker 3: Trust many people on that time, my mom was, but
my mom's normally and my dad would go have platents
during the weekend, so I would be.
Speaker 4: Home with the kids.
Speaker 5: Since he's been living with you for two weeks, now, do.
Speaker 2: You guys share in some of the responsibilities to take
care of the kids or how does that?
Speaker 3: Normally I take care of the kids myself. He'll if
I have to run to the store, He'll keep an
eye on them, but.
Speaker 4: It's just through the Dollar General and stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay. Does he help you with normal chores around the house.
Speaker 4: He does all the cooking in the dishes.
Speaker 5: Well, that helps, yes, So like if you just have
to run to the store or something, it's finally involved
with it with kids with the girls. Yeah, okay, So
when you guys first, so when he first him up here,
when you guys first started dating.
Speaker 1: He had this job, so he worked here in the
week and he would stay down there and he was
he staying in a hotel at that time or he was.
Speaker 3: Living with a shouting monster. And then he moved up
to Rothesburg. He closter worked versus driving back and forth, okay,
because we were planning on getting married and he wanted
to be in Resburg to find our place up there
for us.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you were looking at it relocating out down
there because of this.
Speaker 2: Job that he had. Yeah, things like that, okay. And
he would come on the weekends he said, Thursday or Fridays.
Speaker 3: And sometimes he would stay till Sunday, okay, and then
didn't go back to work. He went from I would
say about maybe six o'clock, six six thirty until like
five thirty six o'clock.
Speaker 2: In the morning.
Speaker 1: And this is when you guys first started dating in September.
So then he would work during those times and then
come back when he came back to here.
Speaker 2: What was what was it like? Did you guys stay.
Speaker 3: Almost the weekends? And sometimes my mom would watch him.
One time she watched the girls while we went to
the casino for a little bit. Otherwise it was we
just stayed at the house he was So that was
back in September. Your mom would take care of the.
Speaker 4: Girls if I needed her too, if it was for.
Speaker 2: A short times, was it. How long would you say
that your mom would be responsible for.
Speaker 4: Watching the girls.
Speaker 3: Well, she would put him on and off the bus.
So that stopped when the instant. And on Thanksgiving that
we had Thanksgiving on a Saturday, and so on Thursday,
because I didn't get paid till Thursday till Friday, and
he didn't get paid till Friday, so I didn't have
everything he needed to make dinner that day, so we
had it on Saturday. And then when he wanted to
go get some stuff at Dollar General, my dad threatened.
And then after that, and then my dad called me
and said the same thing, and Dessy heard it, and
Dussie would scared and frightened, frightened. I decided, no, I
don't need the girls, don't need to be around it
and to hear it. So I told my mom and
dad that, and I had my hours change so I
would be home watch the girls.
Speaker 1: And you told them that you didn't want them watching
the girls or getting on the bus anymore.
Speaker 2: But prior to that, your mom would get them on
the bus. Would she eat them off too?
Speaker 4: Or yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, so she.
Speaker 1: Would spend time quite a bit of time at your
house assisting with the care of the girls and things
like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, only my dad would be there because my mom
couldn't live Sammy.
Speaker 4: So if Sammy needed to be changed, and my dad
would put her in the bed.
Speaker 1: And you said that happened all until on November, yes,
or Thanksgiving time? Yes, all right, So when you that
kind of rewinding to September, you would come, he would
come over and what would your kind of weekend look like?
Speaker 4: We would watch movies the weekend with the girls.
Speaker 3: And then I would put the girls to bed and
you would watch TV in my room.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you gu seduld hang out and then
everything was good. How was Paul with the girls? Did
you help you take care of the girls at all?
Speaker 3: He could talk and play with the girls, but he
never did not the in mixed upper for the girls.
Speaker 4: And I would do all Sammy's feeding, and I.
Speaker 3: Would do all the change, any caring for sam Okay.
Speaker 1: So he never did he ever any time do any
type of changes. No, any feedings or no.
Speaker 4: I did all her feelings.
Speaker 3: I was just starting to show him how to turn
on the machine and.
Speaker 4: How to set it up. But I did everything.
Speaker 2: Okay. What kind of care did she need?
Speaker 3: She was full handcred she couldn't walk or talk, okay,
so anything she needed I did it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, did you How did you communicate with her?
Speaker 4: She understood me.
Speaker 3: I knew by her cries and stuff like that, or
she needed and stuff.
Speaker 4: And sometimes she would say hey or mom and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2: She could say just a couple of things.
Speaker 4: And she just started saying, Paul.
Speaker 5: Okay, does she know? Does she have the capacity to
know kind of what's going on? Or how does that work?
Speaker 3: I don't know if she does, because she can't communicate it.
Speaker 4: If she did or not.
Speaker 2: Would she get upset? Obviously, you'd see her face.
Speaker 4: She would.
Speaker 3: She would when she was upset or outburst or angry,
she would bite her hands and then she would start
she just started hitting herself. And they figured when the
instance with her head happened, she because of the year
in terrac faction, where the doctor's book explained to me
they sometimes can come agitated and stuff like that, and
act out on them.
Speaker 2: When did you first knownice her starting to act out?
Speaker 4: Maybe about a week a couple a week.
Speaker 2: Ago, about a week ago a week So.
Speaker 5: The first time we were there was like the eighth
of January, so that's about ten days ago.
Speaker 2: So when was the first when the ambulance came? The
first time was that?
Speaker 3: Like, that was when I woke up on That's when
worker came and had her. Ashley came and had me
and we call the amblance and I followed the ambulance.
Speaker 2: It actually was it whose idea was it to call
the Ashley?
Speaker 4: Actually?
Speaker 2: Actually do you know her last name?
Speaker 4: I don't even have heard Karda on the family.
Speaker 2: Support group because she was the worker, she was the nurse, nurse.
Speaker 3: She part of the family support group. She was, and
so was Dessie. And there's like a case manager and
that's Chrissy, and then there's Ashley, the nurse that would
do checks.
Speaker 2: So that actually just she just came to check.
Speaker 3: And then so yeah, because Sammy wasn't in connection because
of oh and stopped for a couple of days, Wendy
from Connections called Ashley.
Speaker 5: Actually came to check and then said, oh, we should
probably call the ambulance.
Speaker 2: There's something wrong there. Now, how long before? How many
days before that was?
Speaker 4: That was just a couple It happened on tuisage. I
think she was there on ones.
Speaker 2: So when did she first start acting out?
Speaker 5: If that was the eighth, when did you first notice
her behavior changing?
Speaker 4: Oh, maybe a couple of days before that.
Speaker 3: She hid herself in her face on in her chair,
and but she can't tell me she had a urine
tract affection. And I know from working at the from
the coastal cord sometimes when the patients cause.
Speaker 4: There didn'tent on her all time, and they were.
Speaker 3: When they have a urine tract affection, they can talk
and when they start talking differently and then they can
figure out when maybe it's a urine tract affection or
something like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So when was that discovered?
Speaker 4: That was discovered that they showed into the.
Speaker 3: Hospital that she had a une tract affection and they
did a cat scant and everything was normal, and the
doctors figured she soft did it on her bed out
of aggravation because of the alternate of her moods, because of
the une truck repect.
Speaker 2: Okay, about what she had that day, shut herse.
Speaker 3: Her face was black, she had a uh from here,
she had a red spot and it was black and
blue hair. And she had a black eye, they figured,
and her knuckle is f swallow, and they figure she
hid herself in the eye and then push the bedroom
patting ate the greatest that was on the bed. It
would fall, So they figured she grabbed the top of
it one hand and just pulled it and hit her
head on it.
Speaker 2: Anything like that ever happened before?
Speaker 3: She would lean to that side. She obvious leaned to
that side.
Speaker 4: On the bedroom.
Speaker 5: Okay, anytime in in previous years, days, months, that she ever.
Speaker 2: Had that kind of thing? No, No, you don't ever
remember or anything like that.
Speaker 4: No, never, never, never.
Speaker 5: That was the first time that you observed the Yeah,
well the doctors.
Speaker 2: Yes, has she ever had a UTI before?
Speaker 4: Do you know before she has? Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay? And did she ever act?
Speaker 4: See the only way you can tell she that had
an UTI? I think she had a UTI.
Speaker 3: But they did a year and sample at the hospital
at the clinic Olendis.
Speaker 4: They had a test med levels or something and they
wanted to it was a full block workout.
Speaker 2: Okay, and so for UTI. So she never had any
face swallowing. No, okay, and it was just treated with medicine.
Speaker 1: Yes, you said she's never exhibited that type of aggression
towards herself.
Speaker 4: No, it was just normally biting her hands out of frustrating.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Could you witness her striking herself or doing a couple
of times when she would be sitting in.
Speaker 3: Her chairs, she would take her hand up to her eye.
Speaker 2: How did she is that? How she would do it
striking herself like she'd come up and hit herself like this,
And she.
Speaker 3: Does a couple of times where she would hit me,
and she did have a pretty How much strength does.
Speaker 2: She have in arms?
Speaker 3: I'm not for sure, but there's a couple of times
where she hit me out of frustrate.
Speaker 4: And it hurt.
Speaker 2: Could she pull herself up by your arms or anything
like that? Or no?
Speaker 4: No, no good?
Speaker 2: Could you push yourself up by your arms?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Okay? Where was Paul the first time it happened? Was
he living with you yet or not? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got inside. He was staying with me.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay. Do you remember what day of the week
that occurred on.
Speaker 4: I woke up?
Speaker 3: It must have happened Monday night because I woke up
Tuesday because she went to back. She went to Connections
on to ODC on Monday because on Saturday she had
a On that Friday before she had a eyelash and
when her eyelash got in her eye, and so I
had a flush out as it realized in there, so
I got puffy. Okay, and she does black and blue easy.
Speaker 4: I noticed that she takes that to me.
Speaker 3: I bumped myself and I have bumps from my curt
pushing and in the snow on my legs and stuff.
Speaker 4: Talk. She tapped after me where she would do see.
Speaker 5: So the first time, so Paul was living there at
that point or yes, okay, and then so actually came
thought you should call it COT or call the police.
Speaker 2: And everybody came. But then she checked out.
Speaker 3: Okay, she had she I brought her home and he
helped carry her in the house because I didn't have
her Chi stroller with me.
Speaker 4: Okay and subtle.
Speaker 3: He helped carrier in the house and put her in
the bed, and I took.
Speaker 4: Care of her from there.
Speaker 2: How does she typically get like from the wheelchair?
Speaker 4: I pick her up and put her in there herself.
Speaker 2: Always.
Speaker 4: I think Paul maybe done it twice and I was
in the room with them.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what was the care for her? Then? When
you brought her back from the hospital.
Speaker 4: Just uh ice?
Speaker 3: She the ice packed her head and I think she
went back to Connections on that Friday.
Speaker 2: So she's been going back to Connections? Did she go
to Connections on Monday?
Speaker 4: On Monday? She went to Connections?
Speaker 2: Okay? So on today is Monday?
Speaker 1: I mean all that week she was at Are we
talking about this makes clearer?
Speaker 2: Are we talking about the first incident that occurred?
Speaker 3: Does even after the incident with her face with the
CT scan, she went back to connection.
Speaker 4: And that week, Well.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the first incidents. You'd preferred to an
incident that you thought happened on Monday night and Tuesday,
And he said that was that? Is that the first
time that anything ever happened? Right? That was the way
I understand it as well. To make sure I'm clear,
So let's talk about that incident. So looking at that incident,
you said, she went to, what do you see on Monday?
If if I'm hearing it correctly, if I say something
that's incorrect, to make sure that you correct.
Speaker 4: No, she went to you see on Monday.
Speaker 3: I went to get her up on Tuesday and her
face was swallow, so I just.
Speaker 2: Kept time in the morning.
Speaker 4: I normally got her up about six.
Speaker 2: And what time did you guys? But you said Paul
was there that day as well, Yes, that was odd
for him to be there or not.
Speaker 3: That's when that incident that happened with the face.
Speaker 4: He was already staying at the house.
Speaker 1: So this is within that time period of that three
week time period the first incident. So Monday happens, he's
there and you're there. What does Monday night that night
look like?
Speaker 4: Start?
Speaker 3: We were just watching TV, watching the movie and Sammy
and Deasy was. Sammy was in bed and Desie. I
put him to bed and we were watching the movie.
Speaker 2: What time did you guys? Would have bed that night?
Speaker 4: About nine o'clock?
Speaker 3: We were watching a movie in our room while she
was in my room.
Speaker 4: While was she we were while she was sleeping in bed.
Speaker 1: Okay, and your guys, is I was in your hall
stir for just a short time.
Speaker 2: Tell me from where we walked in the door. Your
kitchen is right there.
Speaker 4: In my bedrooms the living room?
Speaker 2: Is it the bedroom? If I were to walk and
go through the door we came in and hang right,
and then that's my left. Is that your room right?
My left is okay?
Speaker 1: So when you say your room, it's on the it's
on the main level of the residents and it's and
Sammy's room is around the corner where the bed is
where this this incident took.
Speaker 2: Place on Friday? Is that my correct?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So that day she gets home from school or not school,
but odc at.
Speaker 2: Her own three thirty off the bus and was DESSI
with her that? Yeah, she got off the bus okay?
And then what did you guys do that night? Do
you remember?
Speaker 4: We had supper?
Speaker 3: And then I got them ready for bed, and I
put Dessie up to Sammy ino.
Speaker 4: To bed, and I.
Speaker 3: Cooked up her feet and gave her I mad and
put we tacked Dussie in together because we always tacked
Dusty and together.
Speaker 2: What time would night do they normally?
Speaker 4: Normally they go to bed by seven o'clock?
Speaker 2: It was that consistent with that, right around seven o'clock.
And what happened? They had dinner? How did that call?
It was?
Speaker 4: She was all right, fine, she was a little cranky,
but not out of her.
Speaker 1: Norm okay, And the dinner thing happens, you guys put
it around seven o'clock.
Speaker 2: You guys both together, you did this this support to bed.
Was Sammy complaining it all that night?
Speaker 4: Or she was a little bit bussy, but.
Speaker 3: Because and I from suing, because a t the UI
she was fussy and hurting. And then when I woke
up Tuesday, her face was that way.
Speaker 5: And head okay, So she went when you tucked her
into bed, face was normal.
Speaker 2: Woke her up the next morning, face was swollen.
Speaker 1: And she was in bed from seven o'clock till about
six o'clock the next morning. At any time during the night,
is it coming for you to chuck on her?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, because I had to put about two thirty I
had to had to put water in her too, in
her feeding.
Speaker 2: Because she was two fad two thirty am, but.
Speaker 4: Too thirty am, so I normally stop.
Speaker 3: I normally start her feedings at nine and they normally
go until like two two thirty three o'clock.
Speaker 4: And stuff and time.
Speaker 2: So that happened that night. Then you guys you did that,
and then you guys went to bed. You said you
watched some movies. Was that correct?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: And uh.
Speaker 1: When you do you from seven o'clock and then what
time did you get up.
Speaker 2: To check on her?
Speaker 4: I got up probably about two o'clock.
Speaker 2: In the morning, okay. And then what did you do
at two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4: I just added latter to her pump and she was fine.
Speaker 2: Okay? Is that what I'm not familiar with the process.
Speaker 3: It's a feeding tube that she's on and I just
add water.
Speaker 4: To the bag. Okay.
Speaker 2: So you go into her room then and bring some
water with you put it in the bag so it
feels it up. Is there any type of alarm that's
going off to tell you that it's time for this?
Speaker 4: There curve or her buzzer goes off?
Speaker 2: Okay, So is that what wakes you up? Or do
you just cry?
Speaker 3: I am macage. Since she's been on the feeding tube
since tooth since eighth grade.
Speaker 4: It's a nomc thing where my body act.
Speaker 1: You just get up and go like this really normal
and it's there's a buzzer there, but you take care
of it.
Speaker 4: And did you do that yourself? Or yes, I always
did that myself.
Speaker 1: You always did that yourself, and that night that was
the same way. And when you did that, did you
notice anything.
Speaker 2: Was she awake at all?
Speaker 4: She was sleep?
Speaker 2: She was asleep. Did you see her? Did she have
any injuries?
Speaker 4: I've seen them, but I didn't turn on the light either.
Speaker 2: Okay, didn't turn her light. But you didn't see anything
that was injuries at all?
Speaker 4: Was there normally she has her night she had a
light that lit.
Speaker 3: Up, put stars on, snowflakes on her ceiling.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Was that on?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: It was?
Speaker 1: Okay, So there was some light in it, yes, and
you but you didn't notice anything out of place.
Speaker 2: You didn't notice that she was injured in any way. Okay.
Speaker 3: So I'm assuming when I got up that foot in
between four and five she hit herself.
Speaker 2: And you said, that's so that was my neck. Wasn'
gonna do the next thing? So you give her the water?
And how long does that take?
Speaker 3: Normally that's not a pump and net runs until I
get up.
Speaker 2: Okay, But how long does it take for you to
do the fill the water up?
Speaker 4: A couple of minutes, so just.
Speaker 2: A minute or two to do that. And you did
that that night. Then did you go back to bed? Yes?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 2: Okay. Was Paul sleeping at that time?
Speaker 4: Paul was in bed with me, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: And was there anybody else at home others just Dussy? Okay?
And then what time did you get up that day?
Speaker 4: Do you remember? I got up there? My alarm went
off at five thirty, and I went in.
Speaker 3: I got Dessy up, started doing Dussy's breakfast for her breakfast,
cause I wake Dussy up at six so she can
take a shower, take her bath, and I normally i'd
give her her bath and stuff. You know she's too
why just turn on the water if she washes herself,
I just gotta I normally wash her hair.
Speaker 1: Then they sure she's a little more independence, yes, I
couldn't quite a bit more dependence.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay. So then you got up that morning at
around what time?
Speaker 4: Five thirty?
Speaker 2: My alarm clock goes off? Okay, Just Paul get up
normally with you too.
Speaker 4: Normally he's still sleeping, okay.
Speaker 2: And is that what happened that day? Yes, she got
up and then you went and checked on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I seen her face and he woke up, okay.
Speaker 4: And that Monday he was That day he was supposed
to have.
Speaker 3: An interview for Maintan's position that he canceled because Sammy.
Speaker 1: Was hurt and when you saw her face describes me
what you're it was swollen.
Speaker 4: Her head was swollen. So I just put ice on
it and her.
Speaker 3: Eye side of her this side, her left side. Yeah,
when you see her bed, the ones by the door,
the door downs a side.
Speaker 4: That her face. It was on her face that she
always that side.
Speaker 2: Which if you were to be facing standing, like if
the living room was off to your left and you're.
Speaker 1: Facing her bed where it is positioned today, would her
head be on your left side or your.
Speaker 3: Right side, it would be on the side closest to the.
Speaker 4: Door the door.
Speaker 2: Head would be yes, okay, she.
Speaker 4: Would always lean up to that side.
Speaker 2: Okay. Was the bed moved? There's a still in the
sane position that it always has been, right.
Speaker 3: I didn't move it because when I rearranged the house
to give my girls better memories because of what my
dad did, and so they don't have to have a
reason my dad being there until dassians. And to give
Sammy Moore privacy, I put for when I'm changed, if
I had company over and she needs changed, I put
moved her, moved her bed over on that side, and
we put the curtain up so if somebody's out on
the porch or the lights from the traffic would keep
her up half the night.
Speaker 2: Okay, But you haven't changed it since Friday.
Speaker 4: No, it's been in the same position.
Speaker 1: So she'd be laying on the back of her head
would actually be towards the wall, towards.
Speaker 3: The door, towards the door she lean I was leaning
to that side up against that roalin.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And you said it was You described it as what
would be her if you were her rough side when.
Speaker 4: That's sitting here. I think it would be this side.
Speaker 2: Okay of her face was bruised and and things like that. Okay.
Speaker 1: And what did what was there any obvious sign of
what would have caused that?
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I just figured I've seen her swallen knuckle. I figured
she hit herself and grabbed the rail and smacked it. O. Yeah,
if you can grat she can pull chanced to drink
to pull the rope towards her. Okay, rails, because they're
not they're not that sturdy there.
Speaker 2: You think she moved her she.
Speaker 3: Was, she prob I feel that she moved pulled the
rail the handle part because she used to grab that
and pulled it up against her face. Okay, but she'd
never done that before, never, and that's why they figure.
And they figured because of her swallen knuckle that's what
caused the black eye and the way the doctor and
said to me, they and there was no injuries. No,
her CT scans were normal. There was no truck Mama
to the skull or the brain that or her neck
that she out of frustration or because of the because
of the U O TA altering her stuff is what
caused it. She caused it to herself, okay, the doctor
explained to me. And I think the pace.
Speaker 4: Worker that was on that was Beley from the HS.
Speaker 3: And Becky came the next day that I the day
after coming to the hospital. Becky came and said that
she assumed that's what she did.
Speaker 4: She didn't see no reason why there was being any abuse.
That she did it to herself because of the UTI.
Speaker 2: That's what she told me.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 2: And you guys warn you went and checked on her, you.
Speaker 3: Said, youday night, we packed Tuesday all day I packed
her head with ice for the swallowing and all night
and then Ondnesday around I would say it was about
ten o'clock the case where Ashley came.
Speaker 1: Out when we called the amulets, okay, And when you
found her that morning the first time you said it
was around five am and five thirty that you got
up in the alarm. What time did you guys end
up going to the hospital.
Speaker 2: What did you call it?
Speaker 3: I think Ashley was there about nine o'clock. You mean
nine thirty ten o'clock.
Speaker 1: Is there a reason why just my understanding, is there
a reason why there was a delay in calling the
ambulance from five thirty when you found her till nine am?
Speaker 2: Help me.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to get the swallen down and stuff
like that, and I figured that I could do her
at home by getting the swalling down and get her
back to normal.
Speaker 4: She was.
Speaker 1: Responded to me, was there a significant amount of blood
coming out?
Speaker 4: There was no blood, No blood at all. There was
no blood. It was just swalling and losing.
Speaker 2: And when actually got there, that's when I.
Speaker 3: Doesn't want Ashley and I decided to call an analance, okay.
Speaker 2: So it was her getting there kind of prompted that
we should call an ambulance and.
Speaker 4: Said swelling was already going down down.
Speaker 2: Yes, were you upset with the fact that she won
the corner bellas.
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't upset at all.
Speaker 2: To take care of itself. I mean, would you have
called the ambulance if she would have shown up?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Do you think it was? Do you think it was
the swallowing was.
Speaker 4: Going down, the swelling was going down.
Speaker 3: But if I would have called the ambulance, okay, okay.
Speaker 5: And then the care then for the rest of the week,
how did she behave from from that day?
Speaker 3: She was happy? She afters I think she stayed home
one day after the falling that one. I think she
stayed home the next day, and then then the Thursday, Thursday,
and Friday she went to Thursday, Thursday, I believe, I yeah, Thursday, I.
Speaker 4: Kept her home. On Friday, she went Friday on Monday.
Speaker 2: She want to when you keep her home, do you
then call in sick to work?
Speaker 4: Yes? I do you do?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: I told my daughter wasn't feeling good on Tuesday morning,
and I stayed home with her and I kept the
ice on her all day.
Speaker 4: And then Wednesday morning Ashley came and.
Speaker 1: Paul was looking at you guys at the time, so
he was there as well. Was she helping with any care?
Speaker 2: At all.
Speaker 4: No, I was doing it all.
Speaker 1: Was there anybody else helping with any care at all?
Ashley was just there for a.
Speaker 4: Show and sometimes he would put help grant me the ice.
Speaker 3: To put ice on sure throughout the night, But most
of the night I stayed up with her to make
sure she didn't get sick and she didn't throw up
or anything.
Speaker 4: And the swallowing was going down.
Speaker 3: And so when Ashley came and seeing it up, She's like, oh, Garret,
and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, let's go.
Speaker 5: And Ashley doesn't provide care. She just told me check
because she didn't go to the services.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Now how about the week?
Speaker 5: So last week Friday is when you called the angel again,
right Friday days ago?
Speaker 2: Yes, So how about that whole week.
Speaker 4: Starting nine month Monday? She was fine. She went to
connections that Monday.
Speaker 3: Okay, she went to OLDC and she went to her
connections and everything was fine.
Speaker 2: On weekend, everything good.
Speaker 3: That weekend following that, following the prosiegures, after the face.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was healing good. Everything was good, she was starting,
she was herself.
Speaker 2: They give her medications for the ut.
Speaker 3: She was on Maxilla and that Saturday, that Saturday, that Friday,
that Saturday, well, yesterday, she would have been done with
that Friday, because they gave for ten days and stuff.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, day box and someone would have been done
this past Saturday.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And from the time that she was in the hospital
the first.
Speaker 4: Time that when she got.
Speaker 2: You on Friday, Yes, it was.
Speaker 6: Was it an oral form of a bus Yes, it
went through her feeding too.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she got it for sure. There's no way
that that didn't happen.
Speaker 4: No, I gave her.
Speaker 3: I give them their meds all the time because even
with their sees are mens and stuff. I always make
sure they had their meds, even with death.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. And then so that weekend was fine. Monday
she went to Connections.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything was fine. Tuesday, Mondays she went to ODC.
Everything was fine. Tuesdays she went, Wednesday, she went all
week she has been. Monday was od C, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday and Fridays she was at Connections. She came home
Friday night. I tacked her and she was fine. Nothing wrong.
Speaker 2: Day night.
Speaker 4: At what time she got home at.
Speaker 3: Three thirty I put her her bed around seven, seven
thirty eight o'clock.
Speaker 4: She was fine.
Speaker 3: I put up a her.
Speaker 4: Feeding and want to go watch a movie.
Speaker 3: I checked on her about nine o'clock I think it
was eight thirty nine o'clock and she had white, bubbly
stuff coming out of her nose. I try to get
her to respond to me, and I tapped her face
to get her to respond, and she wasn't.
Speaker 4: I hollered at Paul to call the anults.
Speaker 2: Okay, what did Paul do that?
Speaker 4: Paul called the amulets that night, that Friday night that
she passed.
Speaker 3: An officer, Bird came and another another officer, and they
went back and forth until Amlas got there.
Speaker 2: Paul is familiar with your girls.
Speaker 5: Right, He's yeah, names, yes, birthdays.
Speaker 3: He's still getting used, so he knows. He knows that
because Sammy's birthday is a day before his.
Speaker 5: Okay, but he knows who they are, which one is which,
and who's Sammy and who's Daisy.
Speaker 1: Yes, So let's go back and talk a little bit
about last week. So last week you was a pretty
normal week, you said, right at the beginning of the week.
My understanding is that they went to all their day programs.
Speaker 2: Everything was going good.
Speaker 1: GTI infection was being treated, so that was starting to
go away, and then let's let's talk about like Friday.
Speaker 2: Let's start with Friday morning. What do you remember what
you did Friday morning?
Speaker 3: Friday morning, I bought me and Desi's Dessie's been helping
me wash, get the stuff I need to give her
a bath and stuff like that, and get her diapers
and stuff, and everything was fine. I got a dressed,
she sat up in her chair.
Speaker 2: You're talking about Sammy.
Speaker 1: Yes, I put gave her a bath in the morning.
Did you which time did you guys.
Speaker 2: Get up that day?
Speaker 3: I got up at five thirty on Friday, got Dussy
up at six, and then I normally have at five
thirty start get packing Dessy's lunch, and then I start
getting her breakfast, set up a bowl of cereal or
English the Sausa's biscuits, and then I go upstairs and
I holler upstairs at DESSI that has time to get up.
Most of the time, she's already up by five thirty
six o'clock. I'm in computer because I just moved her
computer up there so she would have her own little
adult young lady.
Speaker 4: Room in her own space yep, okay, and stuff.
Speaker 3: And because Sammy just got the walker that's in the
living room, so I wanted to open it up so
she could walk from her bedroom into.
Speaker 4: The kitchen.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you guys, did you got up in the
morning five thirty? So you woke Dessie up? What happened
with Sammy that day?
Speaker 4: Sam I got her dress, got already, she was fine.
Speaker 1: And okay, what time does Paul usually which time you guys?
Speaker 2: You said maybe had an ancest before I mean it?
Maybe you answered it. I don't normally what time you
guys normally go to bed?
Speaker 4: You I normally by ten o'clock. I'm in, We're settled
in bed.
Speaker 2: I'm a sleeping. What time do you fall asleep? Bat?
Speaker 4: I know my fast?
Speaker 3: Someone fall asleep about ten thirty eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2: Paul stay up a little later than you?
Speaker 4: Or does he sometimes?
Speaker 2: Okay, you stay in your room.
Speaker 3: The night that she was agitated, he was on the
phone in the kitchen with his.
Speaker 4: Cousin from Arizona cause her cousin was supposed to.
Speaker 3: Come up that week, the week the weekend before or something,
cause she was going to be a marsh for running
tests for cancer.
Speaker 2: And when you say the night that she was agitated,
what night are you're referring to.
Speaker 3: Oh, that would have been a couple of nights before
the incident.
Speaker 4: Which incident that wasn't with the bladder infection?
Speaker 2: Okay, the first night? Okay, first time.
Speaker 5: But you usually go to bed like or fall asleep
like ten thirty eleven o'clock somewhere, that's what you said.
Speaker 2: And then Paul doesn't always go to bed the same time.
Speaker 4: Normally he stays riding in the room with me and
watches TV in the room.
Speaker 2: Does he ever watch TV elsewhere?
Speaker 3: Sometimes in the living room, but most of the time,
since Sammy's in bed so she would be able.
Speaker 4: To sleep, he would stay in the bedroom watch TV.
Speaker 1: Okay, But you said sometimes so well, in the living
room and watch TV.
Speaker 2: But you're usually sleeping at that time when that happens. Okay,
are you pretty sound sleeper so I can be. Do
you wake up? Do you ever walk up in the
middle of the night and he's not in the bedroom
or he's somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Normally he normally he would be sitting on the couch
playing on his cell phone in the living room. In
my bedroom there's a couching right, okay, and he would
sit on a couch plane.
Speaker 2: Is it counter for him not to sleep as you
at night then sleep as well? You sleep better throughout
the night. You're getting up much earlier. You're kind of here.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of you know, a lot of
duvies in the morning, kind of taking her to the kids.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you do a very good job.
Speaker 4: They're my world.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 3: When Sammy was diagnosed with cyah pause, I think she
was probably three months the doctor said she had for
neurology at the time, I think his name was doctor
Andrews and stopped when they diagnosed her with cyruppousey. They
told me you had five years with her and she's
gonna die, and.
Speaker 2: I had twenty. Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 3: I just assumed she because she's been throwing up, maybe
even a month ago before he even moved.
Speaker 4: And she would start throwing up.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it would be common, or maybe she's over full
or something like that.
Speaker 4: She would throw open.
Speaker 3: It would be an outburst, and sometimes even in bed
a couple of times she would get sick and throw up.
So the way the corner told me that he did,
it looked like then that she passed.
Speaker 4: And I went in there.
Speaker 3: Those white bubbly stuff coming in and our nose. I'm
assuming it was the auction or whatever coming out and stop.
Speaker 2: Dead.
Speaker 4: I went in there. I've seen it because it's.
Speaker 3: A check on her, because I know why.
Speaker 4: It was eight thirty nine o'clock.
Speaker 3: I went in the check on her seat because sometimes
she doesn't sleep.
Speaker 4: She's a night owl.
Speaker 3: There's times where she'll stay up till two.
Speaker 4: Three in the morning and stop.
Speaker 3: That's why we moved her bed around so if you're
out in the living room watching TV late, the noise
and the TV light ain't keeping her up.
Speaker 4: And to give her more privacy.
Speaker 3: If I had company, our neighbors or our friends stopped over.
Speaker 4: And she's sleeping, her knees changing and we have a
gathering arts people over. It gave her more where nobody
could see her being changed, showing.
Speaker 3: Moved her bed over there, and to get her away
from that outside window because there was there's brass that
come through the window.
Speaker 2: When she's sleeping.
Speaker 1: Her when she's awake back I should say, when when
she's awake back there does she make.
Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes steering, sometimes she got she'll fling her arms
all around, make sounds.
Speaker 2: What type of sounds?
Speaker 4: Oh, no noise. Yeah, yeah, yeahnoxious.
Speaker 2: At all or disruptive at all much.
Speaker 4: No, normally no, she wasn't. There was just that one.
Speaker 3: Instident a night before the night.
Speaker 4: That it happened.
Speaker 3: Paul said she was thrashing in bed, and he normally,
all he normally did was just peek. And then he
came and woke me up and Sentina, she's in there
thrashing my conder down.
Speaker 4: She was fine, I went back to bed.
Speaker 2: Did that happen on Friday?
Speaker 4: That happened the day that there's swelling in her face?
Speaker 2: Okay, So he noticed the thrashing that night.
Speaker 3: He heard her thrashing because he was on the phone
with his cousin from Arizona.
Speaker 2: Oh. So then he woke you up and said she.
Speaker 3: He went up to the kitchen to get something and
was and was sitting out there. So I to talk
to his cousins because I was trying to sleep, and
he didn't want to keep me awake. And he was
on the phone with his cousin in the kitchen because
normally in the kitchen.
Speaker 4: He sits by the door towards the garage.
Speaker 2: Okay, And so he went and checked on her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he went and see peeked in on her, and
that's all he does is normally peka and on her
and and he said, Tina, she's upset, she's thrashing.
Speaker 4: I calmed her down. She was fine.
Speaker 5: Did not or was she done by the time he done?
Speaker 4: She was done by the time I've done. But there's cases.
Speaker 3: Where she would lay in bed, happy, go lucky, just
bouncing and kicking, grabbing the rail.
Speaker 2: Did you get up and go check on her then after?
And what type of injuries?
Speaker 4: There was none? Something I didn't see none.
Speaker 3: I calmed she's to calm down, and then.
Speaker 4: Started to go to sleep. And I went back to bed.
Speaker 3: Okay, And Paul came in the room and finished talking
to his cousin.
Speaker 2: Okay, can we walk back through the rest of the
last week.
Speaker 5: Then we got through Monday, and then she okay.
Speaker 2: So we started Friday morning. You got everybody up for breakfast.
Everything seemed normal.
Speaker 4: Everything she went to connection the night that she passed.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I got her ready for bed, I hooked up her stuff,
I gave her her in shirt and then we started
watching movies in bed and it was about eight thirty
nine o'clock.
Speaker 4: I want to go check on her. Too, because sometimes
she doesn't go to sleep till midnight one two in
the morning. Did it all depends? She's a night all.
She was like her dad. Her dad would stay up
all night.
Speaker 3: And that's when I noticed the white stuff coming out
of her mouth. I want to wipe it, yelling her name.
She wasn't spun, so I attacked her cheeks to get
her to respond, just like this normal to get her
to respond, and she didn't.
Speaker 4: I hollered at Paul, we need to call it. How
much she's not responding.
Speaker 3: There's white, bubbly stuff coming out of her face because
I wiped it and soft and I was still coming
out of her nose like her insure stuff, but it
was more of a bubbly like oxygen for coming up
from her lungs or something, because almost look more like
their slavle spit coming out of your nose. And so
officer he called, and an officer bird seen her. Was
trying to just trust compressions on the bed because she
wasn't responding, and she at that time, I offer berg
was her eye. Unhooked her from her feeting too, so
we could move her onto the floor because the beds
and air mattress because she would get pressure sores sometimes,
so they gave her an air mattress because she ended
up one time getting a pressure slower from her wheelchair
because she was just a regular cushion and she has
no oh m, extra fat on her tailbone, so she
at that time she ended up with a pressure sword.
And so then after that that they gave her the
wound clinic gave her and had them order an air
mattress and an air cushion for her chair, and she's
never ended up with another one since.
Speaker 2: And what did you have for supper on Friday?
Speaker 4: Oh? Supper? I think it was cheese and hot dogs
for me and Deasy.
Speaker 3: And then normally he would because he I was eight later,
so he would make himself. I think that night he
made me and him one of those ports chopped pork
meats with its.
Speaker 4: Grum pork steak ground up and stuff. He made that.
Speaker 3: We had supper in the living room, and then I.
Speaker 4: Wanted to watch.
Speaker 3: The TV in the bedroom where we were watching the moon.
I decided, I don't know if it was called mother's interestion,
but I had left him by eight thirty quartered at
nine to go check on Sammy and stuff, and that's
when I've seen her with the white I would say
it would her sliva bubbling out of her nose and mouth.
I wiped it. She wasn't responding. I yelled Paul to
call the ambulance. Tea up, Sir Bird came. He's the
bad air mattress, so he couldn't get a good compression,
so we transferred me and him transferred her to the
floor to start compressions. And I was sweeping all the
month while he was doing compressions until the other officer
came in the ambulets.
Speaker 2: Were you home the whole night Friday night?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay? Was Paul there the whole night?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Nobody ran to the store. Is anybody else with you?
Stop five?
Speaker 4: And she was?
Speaker 2: She was at school that day, she was, Yes, she
went to connections.
Speaker 4: Yesterday and everything final as a normal day.
Speaker 2: Can you talk to me about the nightly routine for death?
Speaker 3: The nightly routine for death would be that we have
suffer between four, sometimes four o'clock to five o'clock, depending
on what.
Speaker 4: It is and how hungry she is.
Speaker 3: We would have supper together and then by six o'clock
I would be heading her up to the shower.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then how does that work?
Speaker 3: Normally it would be I would go get her jammies,
I would start her water, give the washer of soap.
She'll wash her the night before I normally be because
of being winter out, I would wash your hair the
night before morning so she wouldn't have a wet head
to catch cold, because they catch colds usually.
Speaker 2: Did you wash your hair?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 2: Okay. How long does that take? Typically?
Speaker 3: Maybe about fifteen minutes, because normally I let her take
She likes to sit in the bathtub and soak the kitties.
Speaker 4: I just got them kiddy.
Speaker 3: Christmas, and so normally the kitties will be in the bathroom.
She would be playing with the kitties, and kitties would
try to get in.
Speaker 4: The water after and then I would run up, shut
the water off. I have her wash up a little bit,
and then got her in the top tall six thirty seven.
Speaker 2: O'clock that her Are you up there monitoring her though?
During that time?
Speaker 3: Normal normally I'm sitting down in the living room and
Sammy's already in bed because I put Sammy into bed
before because she takes a little more.
Speaker 5: So you put Sammy into bed first, and then you
get daz up for the shower.
Speaker 1: Okay, And this happens about seven o'clock, six thirty seven o'clock.
Speaker 2: Okay. So then years normally.
Speaker 3: Because Dessie and then likes to stay up like Desie's
another late out, there's time where she's up till midnight
and up.
Speaker 4: Back up by five thirty.
Speaker 2: So on Friday, even on the weekend, you put Dezzie
to bed about seven or earlier. Tell me if I
say something wrong, it was.
Speaker 3: About seven thirty eight o'clock when you Putsi went into
her room after I gave her her shower and washed
her hair.
Speaker 2: After she.
Speaker 3: Got collars down it. She tells me, no, she's washed out.
Speaker 2: So you put Sammy the bed first? At what time
on Friday?
Speaker 3: I put her to bed about seven six o'clock.
Speaker 2: And then you got Dazzy upstairs. And so do you
what do you do? You start to shower?
Speaker 4: I start, she takes a bath, she takes.
Speaker 5: A bed slaughter for her yes, okay, And you get
her and then I run downstairs.
Speaker 3: I at the water fill while she's she undresses herself.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I have to help take off the shirt and
her bra depending on what.
Speaker 4: Type it is.
Speaker 2: Did you on Friday or did she do that?
Speaker 3: She did that herself. And so I walked downstairs, and
am I sit downstairs and all her get into the top.
Most of the time she shuts off her own water.
Cyan just hollo off.
Speaker 4: To DESSI shot off the water, and she normally shuts
it off.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, And then you let her soak, soak.
Speaker 4: In the top.
Speaker 3: And then I sit downstairs, and if Sammy needs something,
I'm tend to Sammy.
Speaker 4: Sure she was in bed. I already had her ready.
Speaker 3: I already had her feetings started earlier then because she
seemed hungry.
Speaker 2: And then you what, you washed Sandy's hair.
Speaker 3: I washed Dessy's hair and normally I she hits out
of the tub, drives herself up. I ran downstairs while
she was drying off, checked down Samy. She was fine,
ran back upstairs, got DESSI dress because sometimes she puts.
Speaker 4: Her clothes on back not on the right way.
Speaker 3: So I especially her pants. She had all her time
putting lifts her pants. Normally, her shirts she can t shirt,
she can do and stuff. It's just sometimes she has
a little trouble. And so I went down at to
get her dressed. She went in her room and she goes,
I want to play on the computer, and she the
TV is normally already on, sure, because she normally when
she gets home, she wants to go upstairs on the
computer on. So normally Sammy's still eating her supper because
sitting up in her wheelchair.
Speaker 2: And then, but she was already in bed that night.
Speaker 3: She was already in bed because she seemed tired and fussy,
because sometimes she is after coming home from a long day,
depending on what they did that day.
Speaker 4: Sure, she's sometimes as fussy.
Speaker 5: And you said it takes about fifteen minutes to wash
her washed AS's.
Speaker 3: Hair about five minutes because normally she lays down in
the tub and I she get normally before I I go, Des,
I'm gonna come up and wash her hair. Get your
hair wet. Lately she's been washing her or trying to wash.
Speaker 2: Her own hair. Okay, Okay, so.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to give her more responsibility.
Speaker 2: How long were you up shared with DESI.
Speaker 3: Probably about five ten minutes, fifteen okay, because she.
Speaker 4: Wanted something different on the TV.
Speaker 2: Okay, So do you think it was closer to fifteen.
Speaker 4: Minutes or closer to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5: Okay, you're upstairs for about fifteen minutes, yeah, because she
wanted something different on through rokye remote.
Speaker 2: And this is that about what time? Did you say? Seven?
Speaker 4: Seven?
Speaker 1: I would say, so while that is going on, was
you who's downstairs on us?
Speaker 2: Paul?
Speaker 1: Paul was downstairs in the bedroom.
Speaker 3: Was he was on his phone playing garden Skates? Could
we played the game together?
Speaker 4: I played on my phone and try to see how
far we can get. And then normally he has a movie.
Speaker 3: On and Sanny's in bed because I normally go up
and down the stairs until Dessy is done, because only
I mean three to four minutes. I check on down
when she's in the bed because accidents happened, and with
her seizure, she has a stage active, so Norman when
she's upstairs and bath a, no one running up and
down the stairs making sure she's okay in the bed.
Speaker 5: Didn't say anything that they thought you said she hadn't
had a seizure.
Speaker 4: She had. Jessie hasn't had a seizure for a while.
She had a seizure disorder.
Speaker 3: Sammy didn't have a seizure till her last seizure was
in fourth grade, but during her EEG was normal and
that was in Torre. She had it the EG done,
they both did it was normal, but normally ever since babies,
it wasn't normal. And the seizure doctor left her and
imagines they said, there's no signs of the seizure Caesar activities,
but it doesn't say she's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So kind of.
Speaker 1: Looking back at that, and you may have answered this question,
and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what she was watching on TV that
night when you were.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: Did you watching a movie?
Speaker 4: Okay? Oh that we were, I have Netflix. We were
watching a funny movie.
Speaker 3: I think it It was an eighties movie.
Speaker 2: You don't remember the name of it or not.
Speaker 4: Offhand after what was going on with Sammy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that. Yeah, So you went and.
Speaker 1: You said you spent about fifteen minutes upstairs in her
met lady to check on Desi while she was taking
a bath and getting the TV set up for her afterwards,
and you said Paul was downstairs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we tucked and then we both went before we
because normally Dessy likes when she gets no We talked
her in normally to get We talked her in together
because she liked us both talking her in and so
and I'm always up there with him. He tucks her in,
and so we tucked her in. I would say it
was probably seven thirty eight o'clock after she had down
to the bath and I was dressed, and she was
in bed, Jessy was Samy was.
Speaker 4: Already in bed and ready.
Speaker 3: I said, Paul, she wants us to tuck her in.
So we went upstairs, tucked her in, and you know,
he was up there, and I started the channel she
wanted while he was still up there. We were still
up there and stuff, and I went downstairs, found a
movie to watch.
Speaker 4: Started watching a movie.
Speaker 3: About eight thirty, I got a feeling that I needed,
I don't mother's tuitions or something, to go check on Sammy.
Speaker 4: And that's when I discovered the whites.
Speaker 2: Is it common for you to have that? Do you
do that frequently where you get up and go check
on her at that time?
Speaker 4: Sometimes she's fussy and it's.
Speaker 3: Still at the time and moving about, and I just
wanted to do a check her, tuck her in.
Speaker 4: Normally I just her blankets, move her more back and.
Speaker 3: Mover because she would slide over to the rail and
of her bed, because she would move over to that side,
and so I would I picked up adjuster at her
in her bed and then tucked her in.
Speaker 4: And she was fine. So it started.
Speaker 3: She was still awake at that time, and doctor and
gave her a kiss and told her good night. Her
feeting tool was hooked up. She was fine, and then
about eight thirty I just got a feeling to go
check on her. Thirty about thirty quarter to nine, I
had to look at the clock to see the exact time.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: So when you let me just go back a little bit,
so you went. After you came downstairs from you and
Paul tooking Dozi in? Did you go back in the
room by Samuel Hall or no?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: In bed she went, And you guys both went into
your room and watch whatever eighties movie Years or one,
and you said, around.
Speaker 4: Thirty, I want to go check on her because I
don't know.
Speaker 3: Something said to go check on her, to retuck her
in because there's times where she's still awake and fussy,
and make sure she doesn't need anything, make sure the
feeding tubees.
Speaker 4: Running and stuff. And did that.
Speaker 1: She was and when you checked on her, you went
in there and checked on her, was and you saw
this stuff happening, and you started calling it.
Speaker 2: Was there any delay at all?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: And was there be any at any point in time
in our investigation with there be any reason we would
find a delay from the time that you found her
to the time that you guys had called.
Speaker 3: No, Because when I found her with the phone, and
Paul was in the bedroom or out in the kitchen
at that time because he stumbled it fell almost trying
to hit the my in of my bed, almost stumbled
to get the phone and stuff. Because he was starting
to do something for supper or something you're having a
like supper or a.
Speaker 4: Snack, and so.
Speaker 3: He was making because normally he eats late and stuff
and and so he normally I would eat with him too.
Speaker 4: Even though I ate with Dessi, I would eat little
with Somewhassie, and then I.
Speaker 3: Would eat some with him when he ate and he
made it was potatoes, gravy and the chopped steak that
he would fry. So he was doing that, and this
is going on about Yeah, okay, so this.
Speaker 2: Was after you guys put Dessi to bed.
Speaker 4: Ate.
Speaker 2: This dinner while you guys were watching a movie in
the bedroom. This is all going on at that time.
Speaker 3: Because you know, he eats later than we do and stuff,
because I normally.
Speaker 2: Like, didn't you guys actually eat that night or not? Uh?
Speaker 3: Maybe it was probably like seven we started seven, we
maybe eight.
Speaker 2: I'm not did you guys did you eat that night?
Do you remember eating?
Speaker 4: I ate something.
Speaker 3: I not for sure what it was because of going
on with Sammy, but I know what.
Speaker 1: I ate with.
Speaker 4: But I don't remember if I ate with him.
Speaker 3: I think with Paul, I think he was gonna get
ready to start his supper at that time. At what time,
I would say the time that I found Sammy, he
was making himself something to eat.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't remember Paul too or No, actually I don't
think he did either.
Speaker 4: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember afterwards after this incident happened eating afterwards.
Speaker 3: After me, I think we decided to have no. I
didn't eat after Sammy. I cried myself to sleep, okay, because.
Speaker 4: Dessy I Dussy.
Speaker 3: Came down was consoling Paul. Because Paul started having chestpainton
So the second.
Speaker 4: Ambulance was called and I had DESSI coming down, thinking
of Samuel, it was gonna be okay. I would have
Paul take her.
Speaker 3: In my in one of the vehicles to the hospital,
thinking Samuel was gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: That was Friday night.
Speaker 4: That was Friday night, the day she passed.
Speaker 2: So you after this happened, you said, Paul, taker does
he in the garden?
Speaker 4: No? Sam Sammy dia that Friday night, the seventeenth. That
night she died. M do we never want went anywhere?
Speaker 3: I had thinking in my mind once the animals got there,
they would revive her, she would be fine. And she
and I was running around at the dama's crew to
get Sammy's bag packed and ready for the emergency room.
Of what I wouldn't need there or she had to
go stay in the hospital, what.
Speaker 4: I needed and what I needed for her.
Speaker 1: Okayh yeah, first and stop all really quick.
Speaker 2: Actually before we do that, let me just take on
someone give us to your life. What about So they
did they after.
Speaker 4: Quarter a thirty quarter to nine.
Speaker 3: I think that that the ambulance was called.
Speaker 4: I don't know the exact time because I didn't look
at and what.
Speaker 2: Happened after the ambulance leaves the.
Speaker 4: Night you passed out.
Speaker 3: I was in the bedroom with Dessie, holding Dessie in
my bedroom because they were still working on Sammi before
they pronounced their dead that.
Speaker 4: Night, and after after all the aims you got there.
Speaker 2: When you got when they leap with with Sammy and Sammy.
Speaker 3: Sammy was there the whole time until the corner and
the funeral guys got there.
Speaker 1: And after they leave, after everybody leaves, after the corner
leaves and Sammy's not there anymore, and the police leave and.
Speaker 2: Everybody's gone right away, after every red leaves. What happens?
Speaker 3: I put Dessi up to bed, I sat with her
for a while, saw on her, and then I went
to bed and cried myself to sleep, okay?
Speaker 2: And where would Paul go?
Speaker 4: Paul was in the room with me, in your bedroom
or in my bedroom?
Speaker 2: Okay? Was he? Where was he when you were up
by Desi?
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 3: In his bed in our bedroom, all right?
Speaker 2: And you cried yourself to sleep with Paul after the incident, after.
Speaker 4: I stayed with Dessi till she fell asleep, did you.
Speaker 2: And Paul talk about anything at that time? What was
going on or what happened.
Speaker 3: Or what I I was unbelievable, I lost my baby girl.
Speaker 2: I'd look what I'm just asking if you guys talk
at all or anything like that.
Speaker 6: Okay, I just cried and he was there holding me. Yes,
I'm gonna step out and talk to Brian really quick. Okay, Singer,
I understand this is sensitive.
Speaker 1: Feel free to use these okay, and we'll be right
back in Okaya.
Speaker 4: She's probably scared and the hungry.
Speaker 2: They're there right now.
Speaker 1: We got some people that are taking care of her
her good and you know we have that kinda set
up to.
Speaker 2: Do that, so well we will. We will get back
to her here soon.
Speaker 1: So we're just talking to their officer about something else
really quick right now.
Speaker 5: So we'll do.
Speaker 1: You have a few minutes here if you want to
have a drink of water. The three we've been talking
a lot, so.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get into some some things and we'll all
talk about some concerns we have. And you know, the
first thing I.
Speaker 1: Want to just mention is, you know, I'll tell you
from talking to you and you know the part.
Speaker 2: Of this investigation that I've been in and.
Speaker 1: Looking at, you know, the what we've you know, discovered
as far as any medical records that are previous to
this and things that haven't been told.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you are a very a very good mom.
Speaker 4: That's my baby. I would never do anything to.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm not here to accuse you that I met,
not at all when I'm saying, I'm just telling you
I think you are very a very good mom.
Speaker 3: I know I am because they've told me a five
years water when I caver twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and I'll tell you, you know, I applaud you
for what you're going through in terms of, you know,
taking care of two children that do have, you know.
Speaker 2: Some disabilities and things like that.
Speaker 1: I don't have kids myself, and you know, I can't
imagine taking care of kids alone, as there's a huge
responsibility and undertaking. But taking care of two kids that
have development told things going on, that's a that's.
Speaker 4: A I didn't do this. I under i'd called the heblets.
Speaker 3: I both the heblets as soon as I discovered Officer
Bird came.
Speaker 4: Under their feeding. We later on the floor.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to that, and I just I'm here
to we'll just take a drink of water and just
calm down. That I'm just I'm just talking to you
right now, and I'm just telling that I think you're
you're a good mom.
Speaker 2: But and you you it's very difficult what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot, that's a lot of responsibility,
and I assume that's very stressful for you to go through.
Speaker 3: That at times. It can be. But I always put
their needs before mine.
Speaker 4: I would never hurt those were my baby.
Speaker 3: They even wouldn't see me with diagonos with thor polity
and told me they had five years under her edition
marsh Fille's caseworkers through the hospital so they could take
her and put her in a home. It's like, no,
that's my baby. Unless you prove I can't take care
of your She's coming home. And she's been in my
home ever since until pretty well, Shaw and.
Speaker 1: I understand, and you provided a lot of good care
for her.
Speaker 2: You did everything that you could do in.
Speaker 3: Terms of care for her, and you figured the swelling
was going down in her face and she wasn't didn't
show no signs of a concussion or anything like that.
Speaker 4: And so as she came on Wednesday and it's like, okay,
let's go.
Speaker 1: Was it stressful at all dealing with some of the
stuff with that, you know, as far as the care
and I have to constant or anything.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't mind that. That was my baby. She
was my world. It's her and Desier my world. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And as far as Dessi's character, she.
Speaker 1: Doesn't need the teen too obviously, she can eat on
her own. Yes, just you prepare food for her. You
give her those things most of the time. I like
she acts pretty well too, Is she pretty? She pretty
well behaved. She has caused any type of tantrums or no,
any issues.
Speaker 4: She's really good to deal with.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's she's been my stronger than me going through
and she's been comforting me and.
Speaker 1: Stuff insany when she's she's non mobile, So you would
where would she spend would she spend most of her
time in her bed or.
Speaker 3: A lot? Well, she just got the walker and I
have videos of Paul helping her move in the walker
with just a finger and she was taking steps.
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And did you have those like on your phone videos
that you took.
Speaker 3: So because they were Once she started walking good, she
had another visit with the doctor that did her.
Speaker 1: She walked with a walker or something with their gate trainers.
Speaker 3: She just got the gate trainers. She take her She
can take steps, but it took it took a courage
and encourage her, and she would take steps. I have
a video of Deasy walking her around and moving her
to get her to move her feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she would move around house quite a lot.
Speaker 3: But she just got the walker maybe three weeks ago
before this happened, Destiny sammy walker.
Speaker 1: So she would move around when she was out, before
you put her back, she was moving around.
Speaker 4: She would be in her wheelchair, which I would she could.
Speaker 2: Wheel herself around. You would move her places.
Speaker 4: I would have to move the wheelchair.
Speaker 2: Where would she spend most of her time and no more?
Speaker 3: When she had home, I would sit her in a wheelchair.
I would start her feeding because normally she had supper
between thirty and four. About eight o'clock when I put
her to bed for night, ten minutes.
Speaker 4: I would give her her feeding.
Speaker 3: And she was on a ansabatic and they told me
with Maxicilian, she needs.
Speaker 4: To eat with it, and that's what I did. I
gave her her mets that night. It's it's her. But
there's been cases.
Speaker 3: Where she lately she's been up checking, and when she
up checks, it's a projectile up check, it would go flying.
She there's already times I would be standing in front
of her and she would would get sick and it
would be on me, or if she was in bed.
A couple of.
Speaker 4: Times she would get sick and.
Speaker 3: I normally heard her get sick because it would be
a projectile. That night, I didn't hear nothing, but something
just told me to go check.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it's Sammy.
Speaker 3: Wanted to say bye because she was passing, or what
is it? But I just thought I should go. I
just needed to go check on I go paul on,
go check on Sammy because sometimes she's in night all
and needs readjusting because of the bed and because of
what happened with her hitting herself.
Speaker 5: And could I ask you just a question about you,
Lou Paul you said that you've been dating for four
months and he gave you that ring.
Speaker 3: About two to three weeks into the relationship.
Speaker 2: Do you find that to be mormal?
Speaker 3: I didn't think that's wrong with that. I was engaged
to the girls's dad a week after we met and
was living together, but we didn't get married until Dessie
was before I had Deasi. I got married June seven
to two thousand and had Desi June twenty third of
two thousand. I wasn't me and he sam Me and
their girls as dad are their dad, And I wasn't
married when.
Speaker 2: I had Sammy.
Speaker 4: We didn't get married.
Speaker 5: Until what kind of things do you guys talk about
for the future and for.
Speaker 3: Basically he was maybe after a while adopting the girls.
Speaker 2: Getting bied, did you talk about plans or when.
Speaker 3: Him and Dessie picked out the stone. The stone is
above the TV. I have three pictures on above the
TV in my bedroom. It's in a rubber ducky and
the stones in there, but.
Speaker 4: We haven't got it. He wanted me to pick up
the style ring.
Speaker 3: I want to get the stone set. I don't know
where their stone came from. He got the stone him
and him and Dessie were searching on the phone one
day while I was helping Sammy in the bedroom and stuff.
Because Dessi likesse they would sit with them next time
on the coach and they would. He asked, you, we're
kind of wenna, do you die and do you think
your mom would like Because he had a couple of
dare and she helped him pick the one that he has.
I had never seen it because it's inside the dog.
Speaker 2: True. Okay.
Speaker 5: So there's a couple of things that we want to
tell you, okay, and we're gonna we're gonna be pretty
honest with you right now. You know, I want to
give you an opportunity to be real honest with us. Okay, again,
you're not in trouble, but I want to be honest
with you. Okay, does he didn't or uh, Sam didn't
have a seizure.
Speaker 4: I don't know if she had a seizure and didn't
she didn't.
Speaker 2: She didn't choke on her vomit. Okay, Okay, she didn't
die that way.
Speaker 4: Okay, she died.
Speaker 2: Because she has massive head trauma.
Speaker 4: Well why did this?
Speaker 2: Why did they didn't know it at the time?
Speaker 4: Okay, we know it now because they did the ct
scand but.
Speaker 5: I'm talking Friday night, she had massive head trauma.
Speaker 1: And the reason why we know this is because the
autopsy I know it.
Speaker 4: Was better today, told me it was gonna be done today,
and I didn't get the results.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: Well I'm telling you the results right now, Okay, Okay, this,
and this is not something that she's done to herself.
Speaker 2: She didn't hit herself to cause her this.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I just want.
Speaker 5: You to listen to me, just for the Okay. This
is not something that she did to herself. Okay, Okay,
someone did this to her.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I'm not accusing you of doing it. I'm
saying somebody did this to her.
Speaker 4: The that was in there was Paul.
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Somebody did it to her, and we need to figure
it out.
Speaker 2: And you're her mother, and you told.
Speaker 5: Us how much you'd love her and care for her.
And I sat here and believed every bit of it.
But that man, the man over there that you've only
known a couple of months, isn't worth protecting if you
I'm talking.
Speaker 4: Right now, okay, can you.
Speaker 2: He's not worth any of your time.
Speaker 5: If there was a time he was alone, if you
think of something, if he told you not to tell
us something, whatever it is, now is it time to
know for us to know it, because she did not
hurt herself, and we now need to know every bit
of truth because somebody needs to be held responsible for
taking her.
Speaker 2: Life away from you.
Speaker 3: One day I think it was after she passed, after
everybody left. He did admit that he slapped her face
to get her to talk, to say a word.
Speaker 1: When was that, Oh, when did he say he slapped
her face that night?
Speaker 3: No, it was a couple of times when there before
a week before the head injury.
Speaker 2: Hey tell us more about that.
Speaker 3: That's all he told told me that he slapped her
hair like that, and that.
Speaker 4: He pulled her hair to get her to say to her,
to get her guitar to say car, to say her chair.
Speaker 2: Did he say why that made him mad that she
wouldn't see that.
Speaker 4: That's all he told me.
Speaker 1: And he told you this after she passed. And what
did he say he did to her?
Speaker 4: He said he went like that and he.
Speaker 1: Motioned like right there, and did he have an open
fist like.
Speaker 4: That? Said it was like this, and he pulled her hair.
Speaker 2: And he said he pulled her hair, and he said
he did that.
Speaker 3: When I would say probably he did before the incident
with her face. He said it happened when she had went.
Speaker 4: Into the er.
Speaker 2: You're a good mom. You've taken really good care of
these kids the whole way along with here.
Speaker 1: Okay, we know that their medical records are very very good.
You provide very very good care for them, that you
care about them.
Speaker 2: We need to know everything that you know.
Speaker 4: Right now, and that is everything I know. That's all.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Cana.
Speaker 1: She got off the bus that day, all right at
three point thirty, and you were with her that whole
time afterwards? Right, Yes, okay, she sustained head trauma that
she could not have inflicted herself.
Speaker 2: It would be impossible that happen have happened.
Speaker 4: It had to happen between the time that this happened
and when I put her to bed, was up by Dessie.
He must have did it.
Speaker 2: Well, let's walk through that. How long were you upstairs
with Dessie? Would now coming downstairs?
Speaker 4: Oh, maybe twenty minutes? Probably I didn't have a watch on,
and there's no plot.
Speaker 2: You were up there for about how long?
Speaker 3: I would say about twenty minutes, because I'd want and
watched Dessie's here and I wanted to get her settled
and stuff. When I did her cares because she wanted
me to help her that night.
Speaker 1: And when you were up there, did you hear Sammy
making any noise?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I didn't hear something being disruptive. I didn't hear nothing
like that. He did.
Speaker 2: Now is the time.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't hear nothing.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you didn't sounded all normal?
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't hear anything. I didn't. I didn't hear
her saying anything.
Speaker 1: And you came back downstairs, and what was going on?
Was there anything suspicious? Because if there's some movie.
Speaker 3: Nothing seemed out or normal. He was in the bedroom
at that time.
Speaker 2: Protect him.
Speaker 3: I'm not protecting home. He was in the bedroom when
I came down stairs.
Speaker 2: If you hit your girl, he doesn't care for you either. No,
so don't protect him.
Speaker 4: I'm not protecting him.
Speaker 1: And you've known him four months, four months, and you've
had your daughter for how long?
Speaker 2: Twenty years?
Speaker 4: Twenty years?
Speaker 2: There's a lot more in your you provide her care.
Speaker 1: You've invested so much into that right that is so
important and in the effort.
Speaker 4: And nothing and the love and everything.
Speaker 2: They just we need to know what took place that night.
Speaker 4: I was given DESSI her bath. I don't know how
many how long I was up there, but I didn't
have I'm.
Speaker 2: Not I'm not saying you did it, but I think
you know what happened.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he did to her. Honestly, I
didn't know. I didn't hear anything when I was upstairs
with Desty. I didn't hear her make a sound.
Speaker 2: When you came downstairs. Was anything moved?
Speaker 4: I didn't see anything moved.
Speaker 2: Were her clothing on the way there when you went
and discovered her later on that night?
Speaker 1: Though, if this is all the case, when you sailed
for the ambulance to be called, what did he say?
Speaker 4: I'm sorry I interrupted you go ahead, he said that
because before that, when I was.
Speaker 3: Up there giving Dessi his shower, he said, he adjusted
Sam's tip because she pulled it down, because and stuff,
because I want to go do that.
Speaker 4: And while we had Jesse tapped in.
Speaker 3: I was watching a movie and in the bedroom he
went to go get himself something, what a beer or something,
because I had a glass of.
Speaker 4: Wine that night.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: He said, while I was in there, he heard Sammy fuss.
So he adjusted her top and she said that she
made him a gasping sound, and.
Speaker 4: But she was fine.
Speaker 2: Where were you?
Speaker 4: I was in the bedroom watching the movie.
Speaker 5: How long was he ind Sammy's bedroom?
Speaker 4: Probably maybe five ten minutes.
Speaker 2: So he was in Sammy's bedroom for five or ten minutes.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what he because he came in. We
wanted to go get a beer, and he said he
adjusted that. But I wasn't watching the clock because I
was watching the movie and there's no clock in my bedroom.
And he said, he said that he came in and
adjusted her top. That was after everybody left, and but
she had made ship.
Speaker 4: After the quaternary left.
Speaker 2: Well, she wouldn't be there though. Oh, that he told
you that he did that before.
Speaker 3: Yes, that then after the night that she passed. This
was after she had passed, the body was gone. It
was Saturday morning, and he said that I was in
the room watching movie. I had a glass of wine
and stuff, and he said that he went in and
adjusted her top and she went like this and made
a gasping sound. But she would all right and stuff
and went to sleep and it was okay.
Speaker 2: And then at that point did he tell you that
he's hit her in the past or what point.
Speaker 3: Did he tell you that that was after she had
passed and stuff.
Speaker 4: He told me that it was around the same about the.
Speaker 2: Same time conversation.
Speaker 4: Yes, that he woke like this and pulled the hair.
Speaker 2: On and when do you think he did that.
Speaker 4: I thought he'd done it. I didn't think he did.
Speaker 7: It that day or did he say a specific day
he said it was before she got the bruising on her.
Speaker 4: Face that night.
Speaker 2: Was he referencing.
Speaker 4: I think that he I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know watun night he was referencing. I think it.
I thought he was meeting the night that she did
times that week before then her face was.
Speaker 4: Swollen, almost like that he claused that to happen, or
I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that at that point
he was explaining to you that he caused the injuries
that she was in the hospital for two weeks ago.
Speaker 3: No, I think he's assumed. I don't think he was thinking.
The incident that she passed.
Speaker 2: Is when he was talking about how he slapped her face.
Speaker 4: And pulled her hand. That's when he told me. So,
I'm assuming that's the night that she passed, because she
guessed so.
Speaker 1: He said that he told you that he slapped her
face and pulled her hair right after the ambulance left,
or after the after the corner.
Speaker 4: Right after I might have been later that night, early
that morning.
Speaker 2: After she passed.
Speaker 1: Yes, so later that night would be Friday night, Saturday morning,
early mortime when this is going on, when we.
Speaker 3: Talked about it and stuff, and maybe it might have
been in the afternoon because we've been discussed because I'm I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure you guys have been talking a lot about this, uh.
Speaker 4: Huh, because I'm like, well, because it was.
Speaker 2: On normal So what else has he told you?
Speaker 4: That? That's all he told me? He did?
Speaker 5: So, he said to you after everybody left, I slapped
her in the face or the head.
Speaker 4: The head like this like this and pulled her hair.
Speaker 2: You took that to mean right before the second time
when she died, because he told you right after ye? Yes?
Or no? Don't?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is that you You're not trying to put words in
your mouth here? If I say something wrong, tell me.
Speaker 3: I I also, maybe we want you to be honest.
Speaker 4: I'm honest. I'm I'm assuming.
Speaker 3: That he was meaning that night because he's sitting one
in there adjusted her nightgown because she pulled it down.
He thought she he's seen her take her last breath.
That was before he told me what he did.
Speaker 4: So I'm not.
Speaker 2: Explain this.
Speaker 5: If he thought he saw her take her last breath,
why wouldn't anybody call the ambul at that point?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I that's what he told me after
she already passed.
Speaker 2: So was he the one to find her?
Speaker 1: I found the founder, But you holler, did he find
her and then have her take her last breakfat?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 3: This is the truth I wanted there about thirty nine
o'clock when I found her, she already had phoned. She
was already I'm assuming. Well, I was upstairs giving dessi
as a shower.
Speaker 2: Maybe don't assume. Tell us what happened.
Speaker 3: I was upstairs taking given Dessie her shower, and I
came downstairs, and he said that he'd adjusted Sammy's nightgown
and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And she was fine.
Speaker 2: Did you check on her at that point?
Speaker 4: I checked on her. She seems okay.
Speaker 2: So at that point after you came down, because earlier
to night.
Speaker 3: You said he, I came down and checked on her,
and she seemed herself, just still awake, looked at me, smiled.
I went into the bedroom and she was fine.
Speaker 5: And he wanted tell me about when you said he
told you he thought he saw her.
Speaker 3: We were discussed. We were disgusting that how this could
have happened and how she passed? Okay, because so when
I found her, she had white foam, And I told him,
you need to call the anulets, the Saint, right, you
need to call call the amulets. Sammy needs help. And
that's when I called. And then after everything left, he
called the amulets because I was in by Sammy trying
to get her to respond to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, when did he say he thought he saw her
last breath?
Speaker 3: Probably five ten minutes before I was up must room,
when I was upstairs giving Sammy her by her bath.
Speaker 2: But when did he tell you that he told.
Speaker 3: Me that that that that she passed, that he thought
he'd seen her take her last breath.
Speaker 2: When did he actually tell you that?
Speaker 3: After she after she passed away, after after everybody left,
she was gone. We were in the room talking.
Speaker 2: And then he told you what exactly is the context
us situation?
Speaker 7: Told me that a whole conversation as much as we
were sitting on the bed or I was on the floor,
he was on the couch, and he said he thinks
and that's when he.
Speaker 3: Told me he hid her and pulled her hair and
stopped to get her to talk to say car to
take her chair on door and stuff.
Speaker 2: Do you know why he wanted her to set up?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I need someone to get to to
have her to start talking, and so then he goes.
Speaker 3: I think I seen her take her last breath because
I went in there to gesture Jammas and stuff while
you were upstairs with DESSI, and she went like this
and pulled him back, pulled him down, and I put
him back up, and it sounded like she took her
last breath.
Speaker 2: But why wouldn't he tell you that when it happened.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Here's another question. A man tells you that.
Speaker 5: It mits to hitting your daughter in the side of
the head and pulling her hair, and he's still at
your house today.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do. I didn't know if
he was it was confusion or what.
Speaker 5: Well, let me if somebody came to my house and said,
I hit your daughter in a face.
Speaker 2: Today and pulled her hair, they wouldn't be at my
house the next day. So help me understand that I didn't.
Do you believe that he did this?
Speaker 4: No? I do think you bet I didn't. I thought maybe.
Speaker 2: He Now you do? Why why now you do?
Speaker 4: Because I know what they otagy report.
Speaker 3: I thought she'd died of a seizure or a hitter
or something, or choked on her own vombit.
Speaker 4: That is not what happened, because that's what I thought happened.
Speaker 2: When was the first time that you knew he was
physical with her?
Speaker 4: I didn't know he was physical, so he told me
that day.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a suspicion that he was?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Has he ever been physical with you?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Has ever gotten seriously, He has never hit me, He
has never touched Has he.
Speaker 2: Ever gotten aggressives? He get mad? Does he get mad
at the girl's friend him?
Speaker 1: Not that I've seen mad at all about them yelling,
or any type of care that you need to provide
her taking it away from him.
Speaker 4: He's never showed that sign.
Speaker 2: How much should you both have to drink that night?
Speaker 4: I had one glass of wine?
Speaker 2: How much should he have to drink that night?
Speaker 3: He had probably maybe twelve twelve or something.
Speaker 2: Is he an alcoholic?
Speaker 4: I would say?
Speaker 2: Is how often does he drink every day? How much
does he drinking a day?
Speaker 4: Maybe five to ten?
Speaker 2: Does he get mad and he's drinking.
Speaker 4: Or I he's pretty mellow that I've seen.
Speaker 1: Okay, was he mad that do you think about anything?
Speaker 3: No, nothing that that I can that I've seen, be honest,
That is honest.
Speaker 4: He didn't seem mad to me at all.
Speaker 5: Okay, So what did you tell him after he admitted
to hitting her.
Speaker 4: And pulling her hair.
Speaker 3: I didn't believe. I's like, no, you couldn't that that's
not you because I didn't know why she passed. I
thought it was because she got sick.
Speaker 2: How often is he alone with them?
Speaker 3: Just if I run up to the store, and that
was only a couple of times.
Speaker 4: Otherwise I'm home with him on all the time.
Speaker 5: During the first episode when you called the analysts the
first time, when she had bruises on her face, at
what point was he alone with her?
Speaker 3: Probably if I was falling asleep, if I was asleep
and he was up, still up after I was asleep.
Speaker 5: Because do you think that happens a lot or not
at all, that you fall asleep.
Speaker 2: And he's up with the girls a lot?
Speaker 4: Non normally, Yes, he's in bed sleeping and he's.
Speaker 1: Awake and you're sleeping and he's he's out in the
living room, he says before.
Speaker 2: He does that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes he would go out and live in a room
and sometimes he would sit in the bedroom.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask a little bit about this. This is
not I'm not trying to get personal here, but this
is you'll see where I'm going with this, and we
get to it and ask some questions. What type of
sexual relationship did you have?
Speaker 4: Just a normal sexual relationship?
Speaker 2: Okay? How often would you guys have sexual air course?
Speaker 3: Maybe four or five.
Speaker 1: Times in your entire relationship, or four or five times
before we normally?
Speaker 4: What times will we have have sex in a night?
Maybe three times in a.
Speaker 2: Night every night?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was that common that happen every night?
Speaker 4: That wy? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, somebody that was a very aroused type person. Would
it normally be him that wanted to have sex or would.
Speaker 4: It it would be both of us?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Did he ever display any sexual contact or nature either
of the.
Speaker 2: Daughters at all any point in time? No?
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So during the autopsy there was also.
Speaker 1: Noted by the pathologists that there might have been some
sexual contact between someone. And is there a possibility that
this could have existed at any one time at all?
Speaker 4: He would have done it?
Speaker 1: If I'm just asking you if you have ever seen
him do anything?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I've never seen Have.
Speaker 2: You ever seen him touch your daughter? Maybe in appropriate?
Speaker 4: No, not in front of me.
Speaker 3: Maybe when he was I was asleep, he went in
there because he stayed up later than I, Dixie.
Speaker 1: Is there ever a time when maybe he wanted to
have saxon you didn't you didn't want to, or you know,
he was aroused and you turn him down and he
never would have left the room and or anything like
that would have occurred at any point.
Speaker 5: No, have you ever have you ever woken up and
found him to be in any of the girl's bedrooms
for any reason.
Speaker 3: No, that's just the night that Sammy passed the city
adjusted her jam is when he peeped.
Speaker 2: In on earth and you knew that he was in
there for You said five to.
Speaker 3: Ten minutes, Yeah, because I was up in the shower
upstairs checking on Dessie because she hollered down for me.
Speaker 2: And you said you were in the shower helping.
Speaker 4: Does he for home about twenty minutes?
Speaker 2: Okay? And he was at where at that time.
Speaker 3: He was in the house, I assumed in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: That was when he told you he was helping that
he adjusted so and then you said you came down
stairs after helping Desi, you went in and checked on something.
Speaker 4: She seemed fine, and she.
Speaker 1: Seemed fine, and she was breathing, yes, and she was conscious,
she moving, she talking.
Speaker 2: She doesn't talk, did she do wait or was she
making any sounds or anything?
Speaker 3: Just said hot that didn't say hi, but she made
a smile, so she was okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thing it was fine at that time. And
then you walked back into your room.
Speaker 4: I started watching a movie with him.
Speaker 1: And you would have monitored him the whole time at
that point. Then Paul correct, correct, So how could he
have done.
Speaker 2: This to her?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I decided before, after part of the before or after
Dessey's bath, I decided to go take a bath. And
I probably was in the bath maybe a.
Speaker 2: Half hour when did tell us that before?
Speaker 4: I just remembered I took a bath.
Speaker 2: It's so you, so let's correct me.
Speaker 1: I want to go the timeline and I'm not trying
to get your set here, but we got to understand
what happened, and I understand this is okay.
Speaker 3: So normally, after Desi takes her bath, I know, and
Sammy's in bed.
Speaker 4: I never seen or thought of that of him.
Speaker 3: I would go take my bath and stuff, and I
took Philo's probably boats seven. Dessie got into bed about seven.
I went down and took my bath bath.
Speaker 2: And then where'd you take your bath at?
Speaker 4: In my bedroom?
Speaker 2: In your bedroom? And this was after you had.
Speaker 1: Gotten curb and after you had checked on Samu And
where was Paul and you were taking a bathroom?
Speaker 3: He was when I because I can't see through into
my room from the from my bathroom, I assumed he
was on the cultuary normally set.
Speaker 4: You don't know. I don't know for sure.
Speaker 2: He wasn't in the bathroom with you. No, And that's
as far as you can see. Yes, did you ever
check on Sammy after you got out of the bath?
Speaker 4: Yes, it didn't. She seemed fine.
Speaker 2: After you got out of the bath.
Speaker 4: Yes, and that was about seven thirty.
Speaker 2: Your timeline is not making any sense.
Speaker 4: I didn't look at the time.
Speaker 2: Because I don't give you said you.
Speaker 4: I don't remember what time the animal was called?
Speaker 1: Okay, so then you check on you check on hurt
Sammy after you got on the bath too.
Speaker 2: You've checked on her twice though, right.
Speaker 1: You've checked out her once when you came down after
she took her bath.
Speaker 2: Then you went and took a bath.
Speaker 4: And then you checked her again and she was fine.
Speaker 2: And what did you do after that?
Speaker 4: After that?
Speaker 3: It might have been it because I don't have a
clock into my bedroom.
Speaker 4: I swear to good.
Speaker 2: Listen, just tell us a story as it happened. Okay, I.
Speaker 4: Am, and I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 2: Well, just keep on telling. If you're telling us the truth,
as long as you tell the figure it out.
Speaker 3: It might have been a little bit longer than I
was in the top because okay.
Speaker 2: But she went and checked on Sammy after you got
out of the top.
Speaker 4: Correct, Actually no, he said he checked on her and
she was okay.
Speaker 2: So you never checked on after her.
Speaker 4: I didn't check on her. After I got on the
bath we started.
Speaker 1: Watching the movie, and so you from that point in
time he was he was not in the bathroom with you.
Speaker 2: No, it's all he was all. What was he doing?
Speaker 3: He was when I went into the bathtop, he was
sitting on the couch in my bedroom.
Speaker 2: And you don't know for sure if he stayed there
the whole time.
Speaker 4: No, I don't, cause I can't see if.
Speaker 1: You don't have any contact with Sammy after that, well,
after I.
Speaker 3: Got off, he said, he checked on Sammy when he
went to go get himself a drink.
Speaker 2: And what did he say?
Speaker 3: He said she was asleep and stuff. And then after
she passed, that's when he said that he adjusted her
tap and looked like she took her last breath.
Speaker 4: But that was.
Speaker 2: Did he say it? Why he adjusted her top?
Speaker 3: She's he said, she pulled it down. She went like
this and pulled it down, so he was putting it
back up.
Speaker 2: Is that normal for her to do that?
Speaker 3: It's normal for her to pull down her night outs
and sometimes take them off because I used because it's
easier to use the hospital gowns on her because then
if I need a change or I don't have to
pull down pajama bottoms. It's just her hospital gown and
a dagger. That's what she was wearing that night.
Speaker 2: So I get this right, and tell me if I'm wrong.
You got Does he on the bath?
Speaker 5: Does he upstairs in bed and came down into your
bedroom and you took a bath?
Speaker 2: How long were you in the bath?
Speaker 3: It might have been in half an hour to an
hour and a half because I it was taking a
bubble bath.
Speaker 5: So it was a bubble bath for approximately one or
one and a half hours, one one and a half hours,
I didn't look at them. And after that bath you
specifically had a conversation with Paul.
Speaker 2: At which time Paul said he chucked out.
Speaker 3: We were in the bathtub. I checked on Sammy and
she's fine, because I was gonna go check on it.
Speaker 5: And then you didn't check on her nose, and then
you watched the movie, and then.
Speaker 3: Something told me to go check on Sammy, okay, because
I wanted to retap your random make sure she was okay, And.
Speaker 2: She found her in the state that she was.
Speaker 1: Yes, And after the fact, after this all was done,
that's when he told you about checking on her with
and moving her ninety And then also when he told
you he got that he slapped her and pulled her hair,
and you're perceiving that he was referencing that night when
he say yes, you don't believe that that was some
prior thing that he said.
Speaker 3: Well, actually, the way he said that when he did that,
it was a week.
Speaker 4: Or two before the instant where she had the trauma.
Speaker 2: To her face. And he said that specifically, if I.
Speaker 4: Don't remember correctly, yes, okay, And I.
Speaker 2: Said a couple of different so did he give you
a time that he hit her or not.
Speaker 4: Actually, I don't recall the time.
Speaker 2: Did he say? He said, I hit her in the
face and he showed you how he did it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm not how did he hit her in
the face?
Speaker 3: He hit her there and here, and he said he
when he didn't give me a time frame, he said,
and he thought.
Speaker 4: He and then he said he.
Speaker 3: Before that, he's when we're discussing her death, and that.
Speaker 4: She adjusted her he adjusted her top and stuff.
Speaker 3: It looked like she took her last lushan and looked
like I don't know if he was confused.
Speaker 5: I took it as did you ask him why you
went to call the ambulance at.
Speaker 4: That point, I was.
Speaker 3: I didn't think he was in his right stame mind
I in personally, I didn't don't think he was because
we just I just Sammy just passed away. So I
didn't don't know how to take it, because I don't
know with rationally what he was thinking or how he
was feeling, or what he was meaning when he said that,
or he just felt that way. I don't know, but
I didn't think he would ever do that.
Speaker 2: I'm wraps. They take the breath.
Speaker 5: Okay, But here's what I'm like, I wanna say on
all the andy, Why don't you take the breath. Why
don't you think about anything that you talked about that
you can remember that raised some red flags? Okay, take
a little time to think about it.
Speaker 4: Okay. Did you guys have.
Speaker 2: Any phone call conversations?
Speaker 1: Was there any any type of of Obviously we know
you know that. We explained to you that we're conducting
a search of your house.
Speaker 3: I know in the search of my house. House they're
my toys. Okay, before I met Paul, there was.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: Would that have ever been used for any reason by
him or someone else or yourself on Sammy at.
Speaker 4: All, for any reason other than me myself?
Speaker 2: But would it be used to Sammy for any reason
not by me?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, do you know that it was used by anybody.
Speaker 1: Not that I know of, If it happened, we need
to know that if you I don't know why, because
that will be something we'll take and everything's gonna get
sent for DNA evidence.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And uh, there was a sexual assault kid that was
done and we have that evidence, so we will we
will know if anything like that happened.
Speaker 3: Then he he knew where the toy was because he
used it once.
Speaker 2: You that he ever used it on No.
Speaker 4: He's never told me he is used it on Sammy.
I would have never thought that.
Speaker 2: Okay, would you believe he would have used it.
Speaker 4: On Sami for any reason? Not? I did.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't think he would. He didn't seem like that type
of person to me.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Other things that we're going to look for is going
to be like if you have computers or cell phones
or anything, those are all gonna come.
Speaker 4: I know I need my cell phone for PERK and.
Speaker 2: I understand that, and we'll that's with us. We'll get
it back to you as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: But we are going to do a download of it
and take a look at it.
Speaker 2: If you do, there might be.
Speaker 4: Pictures I did later on them. They're not on my
phone no more, but I know in history I sent him.
Speaker 2: I don't care about your new picture for that.
Speaker 5: I want to is there any conversation between you and
Paul that's reference's case.
Speaker 2: Was there any Internet searches about Maybe he never.
Speaker 3: Would on my computer last side was asleep, But I
never any internet.
Speaker 1: Searches in regards to this investigation, or did google anything?
Speaker 4: I don't know if he go I don't know if
he googles on his phone.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll find that out if he did, or.
Speaker 4: If he used it on my.
Speaker 2: On my computer?
Speaker 4: Does he normally he number one on my computer?
Speaker 2: Okay? So he does not use your computer.
Speaker 3: If I'm asleep, I don't know if he goes on
in your computer?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: What cell phone is yours?
Speaker 4: Seven one five? It's the pink one. It's sitting right
next to the coach.
Speaker 2: Do you have a password on it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No password? No? What's Paul's one number?
Speaker 4: Often? I don't know it by heart?
Speaker 2: Who's his cell phone provider?
Speaker 4: You're a seller?
Speaker 3: I think stuff prepaid because I made one payment for
him because it was late. So his phone when it
gets turned off and that was the beginning of this month.
Speaker 2: Does he have a password on his one?
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I'm not for sure. I don't
go on his phone.
Speaker 2: Okay, And you don't have one of yours? No? Okay?
What about your computer?
Speaker 3: My computer? Is my birthday's password? What's five six.
Speaker 4: Seven before zero five or just fine? Five six seven
four six seven four?
Speaker 2: So does he know that pass we'd to get into
the computer. No, okay, so he wouldn't have been able
to go on.
Speaker 4: There and searching.
Speaker 3: So normally the computers left on, I don't need to
tap the password if it's shut down.
Speaker 4: That's when they asked for the password.
Speaker 2: So he went up necessarily need a one no search
something we just wondered who put over for search anything.
That's something we'll look at.
Speaker 3: But the only evidence on the toy was should be
mine because he used it once on me and then
me pleasuring myself before we met.
Speaker 2: We're not concerned about that. We're concerned about your daughter.
Speaker 1: So there was you know, injuries reported in the autopsy,
So it's something we are going to look at and
try to investigate determine on what occurred. So if you
have information in regards to what could have caused those injuries,
we want He.
Speaker 3: Would have had to done them because when I was asleep,
because he normally would stay up after I would be
in bed asleep by eleven because I would have to
be up early and go get.
Speaker 4: The girls ready.
Speaker 5: If you were doing something to Sammy that she didn't like,
could she could she defend herself or no?
Speaker 2: Would she be able to yell or make any noises
or anything. I would move her arms to protect herself.
Speaker 4: She would go like this, that's it. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Have you seen any marks on Paul's bodies that you
don't can't explain?
Speaker 4: No, not that I noticed. And I see him Nick,
and I didn't see no marks on him.
Speaker 2: Do you have any marks on your body at all?
Any bruising anything like that?
Speaker 4: Right, No bruising I have because of my cart.
Speaker 3: I do get bruising from pushing the cart in the
snow and bumping the bed.
Speaker 4: But he has never fized. Great hit me.
Speaker 5: Is he controlling over any of your phone conversations or anything?
Speaker 2: Do you use Facebook or any other I.
Speaker 4: Use Facebook, not that I know.
Speaker 3: He don't have a Facebook count because he said he
deleted it. But he does have a tender count that
he used to he had and.
Speaker 7: Then he has.
Speaker 3: I think that's all he that he uses is tender Okay,
that's but I met him through plenty of fish.
Speaker 4: Okay, but he told me he.
Speaker 3: Deleted his tender count when he started dating.
Speaker 2: So what do you think about all this stuff?
Speaker 4: If he did this, I wanted the best arrested.
Speaker 2: Do you do you think he did this. We're telling
you the.
Speaker 4: Actually the facts of the case. I think he did.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think happened?
Speaker 3: I think when I was in my bathtub taking my bath,
he assaulted sam And I didn't go back and check
on her till a thirty because he said he looked
on her and I didn't think he would ever do
this to her.
Speaker 2: And why do you believe that? Why do you believe that?
Speaker 4: Believe what?
Speaker 2: Why do you believe that when you were in the
bathtub he.
Speaker 3: Went and assaulted her because he's the only one in
the house, okay, and I'm in the bathing.
Speaker 2: Also that than just the autopsy results. That would believe
you to believe that just.
Speaker 4: The autopsy results, cause I never seen what.
Speaker 2: About the comments that he made you.
Speaker 3: The comments that he made, I didn't know at the
time of the death. I didn't know if what he
was thinking, because he told me that he needed to
he clear his hat and he was thinking about in
the after Sammy's funeral, go in to go stay for
our friends for a couple of hosts because he can't
his hard time dealing with Sammy's passing.
Speaker 4: I assumed because he loved her.
Speaker 3: He told me he loved her because it was she
was my daughter, and he told her he loved me.
Speaker 2: Was Sammy fine before you got to your bath? Yes,
And no one else is inside the residence.
Speaker 3: Exist Dusty was upstairs, and I went down, took my bath.
Before I went in my baptop, I checked on Sammy.
She was fine, she was still awake. I told Sammy
I loved her, kissed her good night.
Speaker 1: And you didn't hear any struggle. But if you if
this would have happened, you don't believe you would have Anyways.
Speaker 4: Normally she can't talk. Okay, she does cry out, and
she does scream. But I didn't hear anything. I swear
to good. If I heard something, I would have been
on the tip. But I didn't hear anything. I don't you.
Speaker 2: Understand why we're here today.
Speaker 4: Right here, he's arrest me because of the autopsy.
Speaker 2: I'm not here to rest you. We're here to talk
to you.
Speaker 4: I know I'm not arrested, not at all.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're not an arrest Absolutely I didn't. We're gonna
talk to you.
Speaker 4: I know you're here.
Speaker 2: This is one of those things where this is we're
just here to talk to you and figure this out.
Like I explained you before. I think you're a good mom.
I think here's somebody that really does care here.
Speaker 4: Situation with a relationship. I thought he was perfect.
Speaker 1: Okay, well it's been a short time and something, and
he just he normally he only came up.
Speaker 3: On the weekends up until a couple of weeks three
weeks ago because the job he had was laying off.
He worked at making car parts in Presburg, melting down metals,
and he said his car parts, his part of the
plant was shutting down and he was there only there
three months. He started the same job. The job said
the same time we started dating.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna step out for a few minutes with them.
Speaker 1: Okay, one, you really think hard about basically if you
can remember anything in regards.
Speaker 2: To things that were clues or hints along them.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I just want you to make a heart
about that. Okay, so think hard about that. Be back
here shortly. Now you've listened. Now go to your thing.