Realizing She Just Became The Murder Suspect
Abraham Shakespeare went missing in 2009, and his body was later found buried behind his mansion. This episode features excerpts from the police interrogation of Dorice “Dee Dee” Moore as detectives question her account of his disappearance. Moore was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to your true crime podcast. Abraham Shakespeare,
a Florida lottery winner, went missing in November 2009, and
investigators questioned Doris D.D. Moore about his disappearance. This episode
focuses on excerpts from that police interrogation.
Speaker 2: You don't care.
Speaker 3: You care about you.
Speaker 2: No, I don't care. You're the only one that.
Speaker 4: You care about. You're the most selfish woman I've ever
seen in my life.
Speaker 2: No, I do care.
Speaker 4: Who do you care about?
Speaker 2: When you look in the mirror, I care about me.
And that's it. No, I don't. I'm going to go
in prison for something I didn't even do and sit
on a mattress with no pillow.
Speaker 4: No, they give you pillows in prison.
Speaker 2: No, you get a pillow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they give you pillows.
Speaker 3: Oh, I heard they did.
Speaker 2: No, no, they give.
Speaker 4: You pillows in prison. Blankets, sheets, all that stuff. You
get linens in prison. Oh, all right. Thank you.
Speaker 2: You don't ask me for protection. You don't protect me.
You won't do nothing. You don't care if I'm killed.
You don't care. You don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 4: You think I've done this.
Speaker 2: You think I took a gun and shot somebody.
Speaker 4: Look at the bright side.
Speaker 2: If you can convince me, you can convince anybody. But
you think I took a gun and shot somebody. Am
I right?
Speaker 4: If you can convince me, you can convince anyone. I'm
not yelling at you. I haven't met you yet, okay,
other than meeting you out in the parking lot. Okay,
so let's not get off to a bad start. I
think we got some things to talk about. Obviously, I've
only been involved with the information entailing this whole thing
for right at five days now. I don't have ten
months of knowledge like Detective Wallace and Detective Clark. When
you're talking about two agencies involved with each other... We
have unlimited resources. We can find out and accomplish anything
we want to do as a collective agency together. Okay? Now,
I rely on them because this pretty much has been
their investigation.
Speaker 2: Well, I have lied to them because I've been scared
of this man, and they don't believe me. I asked
for protection. They kept asking me. They knew I was
keeping something from them. They knew I kept hiding something.
I'm not telling them everything because I am really scared.
Speaker 4: They don't believe me. I ask if they can.
Speaker 2: Give me protection, and I tell them, after last night,
I didn't care. Once I found out that he really died,
I didn't care. I'd rather be dead myself. I don't care.
I want him in jail.
Speaker 4: All right. Time out.
Speaker 2: Time out.
Speaker 4: This man that you're supposedly scared of, who are we
referring to?
Speaker 2: A guy named Ronald.
Speaker 4: Ronald exists.
Speaker 2: He even threatened.
Speaker 4: Talked to him.
Speaker 2: He threatened him because he called me because he got
a threat from Ronald too. He threatened him so bad
that he went to the Sheriff's Department and filed a
false report to say the man was still alive. I
don't care if my sister, my sister, somebody killed her.
Speaker 4: I would not go file.
Speaker 2: A false report and say I'd talk to her if
I didn't. That is my sister. I'd rather be dead myself.
Speaker 4: All right. Let me just preface it this way, all right, Ms.
Speaker 2: Moore? Uh-huh.
Speaker 4: Like I said, this has been five days of me
catching up to the information that these detectives at Polk
have accumulated. And they're jammed up. They know their business.
They know exactly what they're doing. And they pretty much
know everything. Hang on a minute, okay? Five days of
catching up with this stuff. I've seen a lot of
the interviews. I saw your interview from Monday night. I'm
going to sit here right from the start and let
you know I'm not going to sit here and listen
to more twists and turns. We're not going to go
down different roads and paths because I don't need to
right now. Hang on. Hear me out. I'm going to
sit here and listen to you. I want to hear
from you, but I want to preface it by telling
you I'm not going to be led down the wrong path.
I'm not going to be led astray because I'm not
going to spin my wheels and waste my time, and
I'm not going to waste Polk County's time, because you
know why? We don't need to. A lot of our
questions have been answered now, and now it's time to
lay everything out on the table and get to the
bottom of it.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: And I have my opinion, along with Detective Wallace, and
we're pretty much on the same page.
Speaker 2: I know. He thinks I shot the man. He thinks
I took a gun.
Speaker 4: Did you hear the part that he said we're on
the same page?
Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Keep listening.
Speaker 4: We're on the same page. Okay, so let's just get
that clear.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: All right? So you think I've shot them in too?
I'm not telling you what I think right now because
I don't lay out my cards like that. Okay. I'm
willing to listen to you to a point. Okay? But
when I'm done listening to some more charades, we're going
to cut it off right there. Okay.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 4: Let's not waste our time anymore.
Speaker 2: Let's not waste his time.
Speaker 4: Let's not waste my time. All right? Because as of
right now, listen to me. As of right now, I
have a homicide in my county. Okay. and I have
a body recovered, obviously, and I have a pretty good
idea of what happened. Now it's time to lay it
out right now.
Speaker 2: I did not kill that man.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't do that. Then who did?
Speaker 2: I told him. That is true. Ronald comes and sees
him and is scared and so mad that he went,
is that true? Did he file a false report? Did
he say that he's seen anyone? He never went up
to the Sheriff's Department.
Speaker 4: There's been no report from anybody that he was alive. None.
Speaker 2: So he lied to me.
Speaker 4: Dee Dee, enough of the lies.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Then he lied to me, okay.
Speaker 4: No, no one's lied to you. In fact, let me
give you a hint.
Speaker 2: About * * * *.
Speaker 5: I've been talking to him every day since this thing's
been going on, and I know that you've approached.
Speaker 4: Him about things, and you've offered to pay him money
to tell stuff, okay?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: This is very important, okay? Let me tell you something.
None of the little stories like he told you are
going to fly anymore, okay? Honestly, at this point, what
you need to start realizing... If you love your son
like you love your son, like you tell me you do, okay,
you need to make sure he has at least one
parent left on the outside.
Speaker 4: He does. Listen to me. Listen to me. All right?
It's time to start admitting what you did honestly. No
more games about Ronald. No more games. Listen. No, look
at me.
Speaker 2: Look at me. No more.
Speaker 4: Don't say another word. Listen to me. No more games
about Ronald. No more games about shaky Sean.
Speaker 2: None of the stories.
Speaker 5: None of the convoluted mess, okay? I have a very
good idea of what happened, okay?
Speaker 2: Okay, you tell me.
Speaker 4: James Moore did dig that thing, okay? I know he did,
all right? James Moore knows he did, okay? I just
spent the afternoon with James Moore, okay? I just left
with James Moore.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 5: We know what happened. Now, it's important for you to
tell the truth. If you want RJ to have his
father out here with him.
Speaker 2: RJ didn't do anything.
Speaker 4: If you want RJ, it's important. It is important.
Speaker 5: The rest of your son's life, as I'm telling you,
the rest of your son's life is in jeopardy right
now for what you say. Now, okay, you have been
selfish beyond selfish. Okay, you have done things that the
average person would never even think of doing.
Speaker 4: All right? It's time now to stop thinking about Dee
Dee Moore. It's time to start thinking about R.J.
Speaker 2: Moore.
Speaker 4: And you're putting your 15-year-old child in jeopardy.
Speaker 2: And I say that.
Speaker 4: With meaning because of the fact that you are potentially
looking at both parents.
Speaker 2: I already told Clark that James did not know what
that hole was.
Speaker 4: And how could he not know? Because what I did was,
You're looking at a five to six foot hole. How
could he not know?
Speaker 2: Because I told him we were burying some concrete. We
had buried concrete out there on the property before. If
you look in front of that building, there's concrete buried
right in front of the brown building to the left.
Speaker 4: The one in the middle, like the little shack looking
thing that has new stuff going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one. There's concrete buried right there in the property.
Speaker 4: There's no concrete buried where the victim was found?
Speaker 2: I know that. I know that. What happened was, and
I don't care what you say, as far as I know.
Speaker 4: Bum on your feet? No, everybody was giving me, I've never.
Speaker 2: Been to prison. And everybody told me I'm going to
be arrested because of this. And so they told.
Speaker 4: Me that they take away all your papers. Let me
see what's on the bottom of your feet.
Speaker 2: So they told me to write my phone number of
how to get out on my foot to my lawyer.
Speaker 4: What's on your other foot? Nothing.
Speaker 2: There's another number on there. Oh, I almost said, oh,
I forgot to put that one on there. All right, well,
let me. It's just phone numbers because they said that
they take away all your paper and everything.
Speaker 4: Let me check this voicemail real quick before we carry on, okay?
Hang on a second. DeeDee, listen to me.
Speaker 2: Listen to me.
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you, okay? We've got off on other
foots here and there, left and right sometimes.
Speaker 2: DeeDee.
Speaker 4: The stories you're giving don't make.
Speaker 2: Sense, okay? And if you can't convince me, then you're
not going to convince anybody, okay? End of story.
Speaker 4: Look at me and don't hide your head. Look at
me and don't.
Speaker 2: Hide your head. Listen to me. Listen to me.
Speaker 4: You talk way too much. Listen to me, okay? No
more of the convoluted stories about here and they were
hiding in this room and they were this.
Speaker 2: Listen to me.
Speaker 4: Don't do this. That they were hiding in the room, okay?
Speaker 5: Maybe they were in the house. Maybe there was someone
in the house, but they were there because you had
them there. They weren't there.
Speaker 4: Because you were scared of them. Dee Dee, listen to me.
Listen to me and don't make these dramatic... No, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
The tears and all that don't work.
Speaker 2: Why do I want him dead?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: Tell me.
Speaker 4: Because they got you caught.
Speaker 2: Because they got you caught. Because who got me caught?
Speaker 4: You got yourself caught.
Speaker 2: For what?
Speaker 4: For the murder.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, why would I have him killed? Why
would I have him killed? Why would I have somebody
come there and kill him? Did he? Why?
Speaker 4: Did he what?
Speaker 2: He stole all his money. I did not steal his ass.
Cedric said I stole it. Cedric, the people that know.
Speaker 4: You stole all the money.
Speaker 2: No, I would not kill him over money. Dee Dee,
Dee Dee, listen to me.
Speaker 4: Look at me and don't get mad.
Speaker 5: Let's have a normal conversation where I don't have to
raise my voice and we don't have to go back
and forth. Let's have a normal Dee Dee to Dave conversation, okay?
You stole the money, okay? I can prove it, okay?
You can prove it with people that tell you I don't.
Speaker 2: Look at me.
Speaker 4: Look at me.
Speaker 5: I can prove it with paperwork. Okay, you never paid
for the house. You never paid.
Speaker 2: For the assets. Okay?
Speaker 4: You might have had him sign it even, okay? And
I don't know, I don't know the reason why. I
don't know if you convinced him that everything was your name,
that Centoria couldn't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you, how you convinced him to.
Speaker 4: Give you everything without paying for it, but you did.
Speaker 2: Had nothing to do with it, but I did not
kill that man.
Speaker 5: Well then explain it with a real explanation, not some
convoluted this and that. Explain to us how James is
not involved.
Speaker 4: And not your stories.
Speaker 2: I told you how. He didn't know. He had no clue.
Speaker 4: Why is it somebody who was scared, Dee Dee? Okay.
Speaker 2: Not only that, not only that.
Speaker 4: As soon as he's dead, what do you do?
Speaker 3: You move into his house. As soon as you get
so scared of these.
Speaker 4: Individuals, why in the hell would you move into this.
Speaker 3: Man's house and put your 15-year-old son in there?
Speaker 2: Because it was safe because you can't get past that
first gate.
Speaker 4: Oh, Dee Dee. It was.
Speaker 2: It was safe.
Speaker 4: Dee Dee. So somebody that you're scared of is the
life of a scared woman.
Speaker 2: Not at all.
Speaker 4: Dee Dee.
Speaker 2: I did not move right in. You've got to look
at the date. I did not move right in. I
was not in there and moved in. When she came up,
I didn't move in until like.
Speaker 3: A month later.
Speaker 4: A month later. You were there.
Speaker 2: I have to look at the date. And it was funny.
Speaker 4: Here's the other funny part of this that just doesn't... Unbelievable.
None of this makes sense. None of your story can
make sense.
Speaker 2: At all. It's just over. Just tell the truth.
Speaker 4: What were you saying? Something else.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: Why do I need to keep going? I've told it all.
I've told it all. Well, the money part.
Speaker 2: He did that. I told you so. He wouldn't have
to pay gift tax. He didn't want that.
Speaker 4: He gave you everything he had and said, don't pay
for me because I don't want to pay the gift tax? See,
that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Because I'm supposed to hold on to it until he
comes back. He's supposed to be getting money when he wants.
And he did. He got money when he wants. Hang
on a minute.
Speaker 4: He's not coming back because we just dug him out
of your property.
Speaker 2: You knew that. You knew that from the get-go.
Speaker 4: You told the CI on the tape. You knew he
was dead on April 6th. We don't need to tell
you what we did or not. We're talking about you
and the fact that you've got a 15-year-old child that's
potentially going to lose both parents to a prison sentence.
Speaker 2: But you don't believe me that I didn't kill him.
So lock me up, and I'll prove in court I
didn't kill him based on a jury.
Speaker 4: Because if you tell us the truth right now, what
you tell us, will depend on our forensics that we
just uncovered, the scenes that we have just processed, and
we will know whether or not.
Speaker 2: Hang on a minute.
Speaker 4: Let me finish.
Speaker 3: We will know if you are telling us the truth.
Speaker 2: Why can't you, from forensics, measure my height?
Speaker 4: We want to hear it.
Speaker 2: Measure my height and what gun and what velocity?
Speaker 4: We want to hear it from your mouth.
Speaker 2: Measure it from me.
Speaker 4: And we shall know whether or not you are spinning
another bullshit story or if you are telling us the
truth then. And then maybe that will rule out James
as you say he's not involved. Maybe that will rule
him out, depending on what you tell us, and we're
going to know from the get-go if it's bullshit or not. Okay,
we have been at your property since freaking Monday night.
Do you understand? You've had two sheriff's offices and multiple
crime scene investigators out there for a week, and we're
not done yet. Oh, we're going to play around there
some more and get exactly what we need. Do you
think we're just out there eating, barbecuing, having coffee every morning?
Speaker 2: Get whatever you need. I didn't do it. So take
me to jail.
Speaker 4: Well, it sure as hell looks like you did.
Speaker 2: Well, take me to jail and I'll prove it important.
Speaker 4: Then let's hear your rationale. Let's hear your reasoning.
Speaker 2: You don't believe me.
Speaker 4: Let's hear your story. No, I'll entertain your story.
Speaker 2: You don't believe me. My lawyer will get to the
bottom of it and he will.
Speaker 3: Get the truth, and it will be included.
Speaker 4: I told you I'll listen to you. Go ahead and
go to jail. I told you I'll.
Speaker 2: Listen to you. You don't believe me. Because you haven't
said the truth yet, okay?
Speaker 4: Think about this.
Speaker 5: Here's what I was going to say a minute ago, okay?
To believe your story, two murderous thugs.
Speaker 4: Killed * * * * * *, but they're.
Speaker 3: Going to leave you a witness alive. They didn't care
about killing.
Speaker 2: * * * * * *. You can still get
them more money out of the bank. Look at the
amount of checks I wrote out. Where did I spend
all that money?
Speaker 3: Was there even any money left?
Speaker 2: Look at all that cash.
Speaker 3: At that point, was there even any money left?
Speaker 2: Yes, plenty.
Speaker 4: Plenty.
Speaker 2: And look at all that cash. And look at how
many times I took cash out so they could get
more money from me that they would come up and get.
Speaker 4: Did you spend all.
Speaker 2: Of that money? No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: Yes, you did.
Speaker 2: So you're talking about when I got out $ 5, 000 and $ 10, 000 cash,
what do I have in my house that I have
spent $ 5, 000 and $ 10, 000? Most of that stuff I put
in my house, I bought before I even got there.
Look at what my Stevenson house looked like before.
Speaker 4: Look at the pictures on the internet. Stop and don't
yell at me. I haven't yelled at you once today.
Do not text Detective Clark and say you want to
talk to him and the Hillsborough County detective over the case.
Speaker 2: No, he asked me if I wanted to.
Speaker 4: Well, it looked like the text was sent to him
in that response that you wanted to talk to us.
Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't know it was going to be
the same thing where you didn't believe me for there
was somebody else there.
Speaker 4: I never said I wasn't going to believe you. I'm
relying on the investigation that we have done for one
week at your property.
Speaker 2: You think I could, in shot of man, direct him
all the way by myself over to a hole that's
clear crossing? Across the way. I've seen it, the sight
of freaking blood. I couldn't be an RN or an LPN.
I went to EMT school, and because of EMT school,
I realized I didn't like blood. I didn't like being
around it. I worked as a CNA. I opened up
my own shop, so I didn't have to. And I'm
going to take a body all the way over there
by myself.
Speaker 4: Here's the problem. There may have been somebody else, but
it's not like you're saying, okay?
Speaker 1: * * * * * *.
Speaker 5: Was killed the night of April 6th. He wasn't buried
until April 7th. So you're going to tell me you
see a guy get killed in front of you in
your place with your gun.
Speaker 2: Then you go.
Speaker 4: Home with Char.
Speaker 2: I go home with Char.
Speaker 4: You go home to Char that night. And then you
come back the next day to two guys that are
still waiting for you with a dead body. You don't
call the police. You don't do anything.
Speaker 2: None of that.
Speaker 4: You're going to actually think that a jury is going
to believe that crap. Oh, because, hang on, hold on,
let me answer. Because they threatened to hurt my son. Well,
how exactly would they have hurt your son had you
driven to your house, dialed 911, and said, these people
are at my house with a dead body now? Guess
what would have happened? They would have been arrested that day.
So how could they have hurt you?
Speaker 2: I peed my pants. I peed my pants.
Speaker 4: I was scared.
Speaker 2: I don't care. Just arrest me. Hang on a minute.
Speaker 4: I don't want to just arrest you. I want the truth, okay?
Hang on a minute. Take a sip of water. Take
a breath.
Speaker 2: Take a... You all right? Hmm? Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hey, in fact, you come over here, okay?
Speaker 2: Listen to me, okay?
Speaker 4: You come over here. We're all adults here. You want
to talk, okay? You let Detective Clark know and all that. Yeah,
I've never met you, okay?
Speaker 2: This is the first meeting, okay?
Speaker 4: I see, you know, you're emotional and getting up and down.
I just want to make sure all's on the up
and up. Have you been drinking anything today or anything?
Do you use any type of prescriptions or narcotics or
anything like that? No.
Speaker 2: I'm just asking.
Speaker 4: That's part of my job. job I don't.
Speaker 2: Do anything bad in my life I never have done
drugs and I don't even drink and drive and I'm
getting charged with.
Speaker 4: Murder did you see an affidavit here did I say
anything about being charged with murder did I no okay
we're talking Dee Dee, Dee Dee, you don't realize. You
think all these people like you and they believe you
and they're your friends, okay?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what.
Speaker 4: All these black guys that you're dealing with, oh, they're
your friends while you're standing there, while you're paying them
money and while you're doing things for them. But the
minute the police come around, guess what.
Speaker 3: Their line is?
Speaker 4: Fuck that white bitch.
Speaker 3: I ain't going down for her. Let me tell you
exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: Here's what happened.
Speaker 3: And that's verbatim.
Speaker 4: That's right out of their mouth. That is exactly what
happens every single time. You think all these people are
going to lie to you because while you're standing there
and you're giving them money to do this and that,
they're going to do it. But when the rubber hits
the road, honey, it don't happen. Okay? They tell the truth.
Speaker 3: And guess what?
Speaker 4: I can believe them because guess what? It pans out
every single time. From the audio recordings to handing me
the freaking affidavit you wanted, et cetera, to sign to
all this stuff. It always, that's what he told me
he had seen. He told me that.
Speaker 2: Dee Dee, no. No.
Speaker 3: No, Dee Dee, and it's not going to fly. That's
what I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to.
Speaker 4: Help you here.
Speaker 3: You don't realize it, but I'm trying to help you.
Speaker 2: And I didn't end up making him sign it.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: No, because he wouldn't sign it. What do you mean
making him sign it? Because he wouldn't. Dee Dee, in
the last hour.
Speaker 4: And ten minutes that we've been sitting here talking to you,
You know, I picked up on some physical cues, and
they're just quite interesting. Because, I mean, I know all
these concocted stories. I've watched your interview from Monday night
with Detective Carter. I mean, not Clark. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Are there videotapes of that?
Speaker 4: There might be.
Speaker 2: I thought that was against the law without me knowing.
Speaker 4: It's not against the law. We are law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Okay?
Speaker 4: But I've noticed something. It's just interesting. It's when you
start to... kind of merge into this new concocted story,
or another rabbit hole, as I like to refer to.
You have just this, you know, discerned look on your
face and your eyes. I mean, it's just this serious look.
And then when the truth hits out of Detective Wallace's
mouth from his long-term investigation, and he's putting to you
poignant facts that are true, and you know they're true,
Your eyes just shut and your wheels are just turning
in your head. I'm just listening. And you're thinking to
yourself and you're saying, damn it, if he ain't right. No. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that the money stuff he talked about, that... No,
you want the money to be the motive and that's not.
Speaker 4: No, what I'm telling you is the money is the motive.
Speaker 2: The money.
Speaker 3: Jeannie, listen to me.
Speaker 4: When you put it in front of a jury, the
jury is going to look like this.
Speaker 2: And the jury will convict me, and you will convict
an innocent person. No, we won't. And then, you know what?
Life will not exist that I know of, because I
thought that we lived in society that people wanted the truth.
Speaker 4: Don't start with crap, okay? The truth is you had
something to do with it, and now it's time for
you to tell the truth about what happened.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the truth and you don't want to listen.
You don't care. No, you don't. You don't want the truth.
You want your side.
Speaker 4: You want your drama.
Speaker 3: You want your belief.
Speaker 2: I don't want drama.
Speaker 4: Do you think we like working around the clock all week,
being away from our own personal lives? Do you think
I like digging up a dead man from April? Do
you really think I enjoy it?
Speaker 2: Do you think any human.
Speaker 3: Being deserves to be put... In a shallow grave on property?
Speaker 2: That's why I said I would go see you. It's
not right. He's not a piece of trash. He doesn't
belong there. It wasn't right. You don't do that.
Speaker 4: Then why did you put him there?
Speaker 2: I didn't put him there.
Speaker 4: You, Dee Dee, you knew exactly where he was.
Speaker 2: Because....
Speaker 4: Right over. Exactly.
Speaker 3: Exactly where.
Speaker 2: Because Ronald told me where it was and how he
got it there.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: He had a guy that I called Ronald come by
and pick it up.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? Okay, so the jury's going to
buy all of that.
Speaker 2: No, they're not. I'm going to jail for something I
didn't do.
Speaker 4: And so is James Moore.
Speaker 2: Why is James going? I told you.
Speaker 3: He dug a hole.
Speaker 4: He dug a hole.
Speaker 2: You're trying to threaten me with that because that is
not fair.
Speaker 4: That's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: He did not dig that hole.
Speaker 4: That's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: He did not dig that hole.
Speaker 3: I'm not threatening you with anything.
Speaker 4: That's what's going to happen. That is not fair.
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. Why? What do I have
to do to make that? See, you want me to
admit to a crime I didn't do?
Speaker 4: I want you to.
Speaker 2: Tell the truth.
Speaker 3: I want you to tell the truth.
Speaker 4: I want you to tell the truth.
Speaker 2: A guy come in and shot me. You know, took
everything that we had in the safe for cash and
left with it.
Speaker 4: And left you alive.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: To give money to somebody who you don't know. Right?
This is your story.
Speaker 2: Let's get it straight.
Speaker 4: So, this guy killed.
Speaker 2: * * * * * *.
Speaker 4: Leaves you alive for you to give him $ 5, 000 or $ 10, 000.
Speaker 3: Here or there to another guy that you don't know.
Speaker 2: Look at my bank statement.
Speaker 4: To another guy that you don't know. We have looked
at your bank statement.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: So another guy that you don't know, and I guess
that's the guy that you'd put the money on the
back porch and the guy would just sneak up in
the middle of the night and.
Speaker 3: Take the $ 5, 000 or $ 10, 000 and leave?
Speaker 4: Is that the story that we're going to go with?
I mean, really. I've got children's books that are written
better than that.
Speaker 2: I have an innocent.
Speaker 3: Man buried on my property rotting.
Speaker 4: Can I keep my stuff.
Speaker 2: By the way? No, I'm saying that I did not
do it. And he's saying I'm going to lose everything.
Why should I lose everything when I didn't kill the man?
Speaker 3: I did not kill that man. I'll tell you the truth.
Can I keep my stuff?
Speaker 4: But no, the money's not the motive. But no, there's
a guy that I don't know his name that I
call this guy Ronald that I was going to pay
another guy to be Ronald that ends up and takes
money off the back porch.
Speaker 3: Jeannie, come on.
Speaker 4: Come on. This isn't the world we live in. You
know it. Nobody lives in that world.
Speaker 2: Nobody.
Speaker 4: Okay? This is not a book. This is not a
made-up story. This is real life. And it's Lakeland, Florida,
and it didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's real life, and this did happen.
Speaker 4: Real life.
Speaker 2: Real life, this did happen. Real life. Real life. I
was really scared.
Speaker 4: Real life, you're going to go to prison, James is
going to go to prison, and RJ is going to
be raped by somebody else.
Speaker 2: That is not fair to James. James did not.
Speaker 4: Then you know what?
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 4: It's not fair.
Speaker 3: So tell the truth and do something fair.
Speaker 2: Why are you blackmailing me?
Speaker 4: Do something fair.
Speaker 2: You're telling me only if I tell you what you
want to hear in the story you want to hear.
Speaker 4: No, if you tell me the truth. We don't want
to hear a story. We don't want to hear something
that you think we want to hear. We want to
hear the truth. And right now you are mocking two
detectives with this fabricated shit is what you're doing.
Speaker 2: You're telling me there was nobody else there. You're telling me. No,
I didn't. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. No, I didn't.
Speaker 3: Neither of us said that.
Speaker 4: What we said was there probably was somebody there, and
you know who it is, and you're not telling us.
That's what we said.
Speaker 2: I don't know their name, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Dee Dee, Dee Dee, you do know their name. You
know who they were, and you arranged it. Now tell
the truth.
Speaker 4: Tell the truth and save everybody a lot of grief.
Speaker 3: Let that man rest in peace.
Speaker 2: Let his mom know what happened, and let your son
have a father.
Speaker 4: Do it.
Speaker 2: It's the end of the road.
Speaker 4: It's the bottom of the barrel. It's six feet under
a concrete slab. It's time.
Speaker 2: It's over.
Speaker 3: Don't you understand? I have laid it out, and even
you can understand that. Even you can understand that.
Speaker 4: I can tell you right now, not even your family
can sit on a jury and hear all the evidence
against you and not put you in jail for the
rest of your life for having that man killed.
Speaker 2: And you know it's true.
Speaker 4: Don't A and B and but and because. It's over.
It is the truth.
Speaker 3: It's time to come to grips with the truth. That
man died on April 6th because of something you did.
Speaker 2: I did not have that man killed. There is no motive.
There is no reason why I have that man killed.
Speaker 4: There's plenty of motive.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of motive.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that to.
Speaker 2: Another human being.
Speaker 4: There's over $ 3 million worth of assets of motive.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what? Then I'm going to go to
jail for it and put an innocent victim in jail.
You can put me in jail. There's only one victim.
Because that is not fair.
Speaker 4: There's only one victim. I didn't kill that man. There's one.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what? Go ahead and lock me up
because I didn't kill him. I didn't kill him. And
if a jury sends me, then there's no justice in
this world.
Speaker 4: So you'd be willing to, you're saying to put you
in jail, you'd be willing to take that right and
go to jail and not disclose.
Speaker 2: Because I can't give you the person's name. I can't.
Speaker 3: Yes, you can.
Speaker 4: Yes, you can.
Speaker 2: Who do you want it to be?
Speaker 4: We want it to be the right person.
Speaker 2: Tell me who it is.
Speaker 4: Tell the truth. For once in this whole story, please.
Speaker 3: Tell the truth.
Speaker 2: I really don't know their names.
Speaker 4: Dee Dee, that's not the truth.
Speaker 2: And it's not I didn't hire them. It's not some
big conspiracy that I hired this gentleman to do this.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. Well, there's been a lot of conspiracy after
the fact.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I was scared because I knew I would
be implicated because I knew I'd go to prison for
something I didn't do.
Speaker 4: They even left you the gun. Why would you think
you were going to prison if you were totally innocent?
Speaker 2: Because.
The money, because of everything that he did before he left,
because of all of that, it's all a money trail.
And that's what everybody looks at.
Speaker 4: They just look at the money trail. We're going to
take this circle right back to the beginning and go
to the simple word of greed. That's exactly what kept
this conspiracy going.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
Speaker 4: It was not greed. Yes, it is. Had you been scared,
had you been scared, had you any heart left, you
would have picked up the phone and called the cop.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't kill him.
Speaker 4: It doesn't take much to.
Speaker 2: Point a gun and pull a trigger. I'm not going
to admit to something you want me to admit to.
You can send an innocent person to jail because that's
what you're going to do.
Speaker 4: No, I don't send innocent people to jail.
Speaker 2: Well, you're going to because this time you're going to. No,
I don't feel that I am sending an innocent.
Speaker 4: Person to jail.
Speaker 2: Look at how many people have been innocently done before
DNA come up. With DNA testing, look at all the
people that have got innocently put in jail. I did
not do it over.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you what. None of them had a
dead body on their yard. This isn't an issue of DNA.
This is a human being that rotted six feet under
the ground on your property where you showed Greg where
he is buried. That is what we have. Let's not
even think about DNA. On November 10th or 11th, when
I had you down at that office, it was going
to leave a dead body on your property underneath your slab.
You knew it, and you did everything you could, A,
to try and make it look like he was alive
and somewhere else. and then B, to try and make
it look like somebody else did it. You were freaking
going to pay a man to say he killed him.
You were going to pay an undercover officer $ 50, 000.
Speaker 3: To say that he killed that man.
Speaker 4: You were going to have Greg turn around and dig
up the man's rotted body. You didn't break the gun,
then you left that trailer with supplies for a riding course.
Speaker 2: So that he could have a proper burial. Because once
I found out he was really there, I wanted him there.
You knew he was there since April! You had your
husband drink the coal! Come on!
Speaker 3: You didn't worry with that.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: You calculated every detail of it. I was not sure
he was there.
Speaker 2: Oh my God.
Speaker 4: You positioned that white Ford truck with a trailer, a
nice new trailer, with.
Speaker 2: A galvanized steel tub.
Speaker 4: Greg was telling me to do that.
Speaker 3: Bleach, Lysol, all that crap.
Speaker 2: Greg was telling me to do that. Hang on a minute.
Speaker 4: And we have you on store video at several locations online.
Buying all this shit.
Speaker 2: Didn't Greg tell me to do that? Listen to the thing.
Listen to the paper.
Speaker 4: It's Dee Dee Moore on the video purchasing this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Come on, Dee Dee.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, arrest me, and I will sit in jail
for something I didn't do.
Speaker 4: For the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: I don't have a choice. For the rest of your life.
Speaker 4: Would you like an adjoining cell with James?
Speaker 2: James does not deserve that.
Speaker 4: I don't think he'd want to be anywhere near you.
Speaker 2: James does not deserve that.
Speaker 4: That's what he did. You're right. You're right. He doesn't
deserve to be next to you. You're right. I'll make
sure it's a different jail because I don't want to
make you.
Speaker 2: He does not deserve that.
Speaker 4: He does not deserve to be.
Speaker 2: Next to you. But you're trying to blackmail me by
telling me he's going to.
Speaker 4: Go to the L.A.
Speaker 3: Don't blackmail him.
Speaker 2: Tell you.
Speaker 3: There's no blackmailing.
Speaker 2: Well, then the story I told you. Then tell me
the truth. I have a don't know the guy's name.
Speaker 4: Oh, my God. So this ruthless killer killed. and leaves
you alive a witness. You alive. Are you kidding me?
We are murder detectives. We deal with them every day.
If a robbery like that goes down, they kill all
the witnesses. Oh, no, that's right. You talked them out
of killing you.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? The only thing you can talk
people into is shooting you. Dee Dee Moore is a
con artist. She conned every dime.
Speaker 4: Out of my own bowl.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 4: Just about every person we have spoken to and re-interviewed,
correct me if I'm wrong, Detective Wallace, has all said
in common about you, Ms. Dee Dee Moore. Doris Moore,
is that the correct pronunciation of your first name? She
duped me. I feel like an idiot because she duped me.
And these are street smart people. They usually don't get duped.
These are men that were embarrassed to say that to
two cops that were street smart.
Speaker 2: It was not like that.
Speaker 4: And they all had the same common phrase, Dee Dee.
Speaker 2: You want to say I killed him. I mean, you know,
that's what you're saying. Then just arrest me because you're
going to be arresting an innocent person. Let's do something first.
Speaker 4: Hang on.
Speaker 2: I did not kill.
Speaker 4: Let's do something first.
Speaker 2: What? Let me go.
Speaker 4: Hey, go on over to the houses on Forbes Road
and go ahead and.
Speaker 2: That's not fair. Don't do that.
Speaker 4: It's the dude who looks like James Bond.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll talk. Don't. Go ahead and.
Speaker 4: Go ahead and... Don't. Hang on a minute. Hang on
a minute. Are you going to talk or not?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: All right, hold off.
Speaker 3: Just to have a convention on Jerry Smith.
Speaker 4: I want you there off of Jerry Smith in Trapnell
and wait for my next call.
Speaker 3: Do you think we're frickin' playing games with you, Dee Dee?
Speaker 4: What do you want me to say to not hit you?
Speaker 2: No, the truth. The truth.
Speaker 4: Don't play this frickin' game anymore. You look me straight
in the eye and decide your fate right here, right now.
Because I got no qualms with locking up your husband
with your ass and putting your son in protective custody
until we can sort out who can be his guardian.
Do you understand me?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: I am not playing any more frickin' games with you,
Dee Dee.
Speaker 2: I did not have that man hired to kill. If
you want me to say I hired him, then say
I hired him.
Speaker 4: I don't want you to say.
Speaker 2: But he came there. Look at me.
Speaker 4: Shh. A minute. I don't want you to say anything
that you think I want you to say. I want
the truth. And I will know the truth when I
hear it from your mouth based on what I already
found out this week. One week is what I have spent.
back-filling and back-feeding on all the 10 months of intense
investigation that that man and his partners have done. We're
talking about a murder. I'm not talking about a money
trail right now. I am talking about the murder.
Speaker 2: Of * * * * * *.
Speaker 4: Tell me the truth about what happened.
Speaker 5: To * * * * * *.
Speaker 4: And who was involved with you before we go to
your ex-husband's house and lock his ass up. And RJ
is there right now. Do you think I'm playing games?
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 4: Sit back and talk to me.
Speaker 2: That's not fair.
Speaker 4: It is fair.
Speaker 2: It's reality.
Speaker 3: It's called solving crimes, Dee Dee. It is law enforcement.
Speaker 2: I really don't know the guy's name. I really don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that for one second.
Speaker 2: I would not ever shoot another human being. That is
really sick. Very sick. Very, very sick.
Speaker 3: A valuable witness. The truth out there?
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: A valuable witness.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4: I'm done. Sit down.
Speaker 2: Sit down.
Speaker 4: Sit down now. That's blackmail.
Speaker 2: I'm done.
Speaker 3: That's blackmail.
Speaker 2: Why can't I go to jail and take the charges?
Why can't I.
Speaker 3: Take the charges?
Speaker 4: Just say I did. It's going right now.
Speaker 2: No, just say I did.
Speaker 4: It's going first.
Speaker 2: How am I... What am I supposed to do? Lie
to you? That's not fair.
Speaker 3: You've been lying.
Speaker 2: You're blackmailing me to lie to you so this man
doesn't get arrested.
Speaker 4: Define how this is blackmail.
Speaker 2: It's called investigation. Because you want me to say something
that's not true.
Speaker 4: If we have probable cause, then we're going to affect
probable cause.
Speaker 2: You're wanting me to say something that is not true.
You want me to say I did it, I... I
concocted it. I hired this man and everything. You're wanting
me to say that.
Speaker 4: Your reliability and accountability of speaking the truth is all
shot to hell.
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, that's fine. But I'm not going to sit
there and lie about stuff I didn't do. So you're
telling me that James couldn't pass a polygraph to say
he didn't have.
Speaker 4: Polygraphs are inadmissible in court.
Speaker 2: Well, he never would do anything wrong in his life.
What do you want me to say? Do you want
me to take the charge and go ahead and say
I murdered him so that he doesn't get.
Speaker 4: I want the truth from you for the first time
since November.
Speaker 2: I told you the truth.
Speaker 3: I don't know the guy.
Speaker 2: He came in and he... No, you haven't. You have not.
Speaker 4: Quit yelling at me.
Speaker 2: I've been nice to you.
Speaker 4: The whole time.
Speaker 2: You want me to tell you a lie. So you
tell me what lie you want me to tell you,
and then James can stay there, because that's not fair
to him. He did not know anything. He is innocent
in all of this, and.
Speaker 4: So you're going to put an innocent man in jail.
Speaker 2: But you are not.
Speaker 3: You are not.
Speaker 2: You want me to admit that I forcefully paid some
crazy man to kill a man, and that is not true.
I wouldn't pay for a man to get killed or
for fucking money.
Speaker 4: What is the truth? So you killed him yourself?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't fill a man over.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to take by myself and take a
body out of a house and shoot him and handle
all of that emotionally and then handle emotionally disposing of
it by myself? Yeah. You don't do it every day.
You don't care.
Speaker 3: You care about you.
Speaker 2: No, I don't care. You're the only one.
Speaker 3: That you care about.
Speaker 4: You're the most selfish woman I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2: No, I do care.
Speaker 4: Who do you care about?
Speaker 2: When you look in the mirror, I care about me.
Speaker 4: And that's it. No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go in prison for something I didn't
even do and sit on a mattress with no pillow.
Speaker 4: No, they give you pillows in prison.
Speaker 2: No, you get a pillow. Yeah, they give you pillows. Oh,
I heard they did. No, no, they give you.
Speaker 4: Pillows in prison. Blankets, sheets, all that stuff. You get
linens in prison. Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Three meals a day.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's 300 in jail. No, in jail
you have pillows, too.
Speaker 2: And they told me you didn't get a pillow.
Speaker 4: Hockenberg has great pillows. Orient Road has great pillows. Oh,
they told me you didn't get a pillow. In fact,
the laundry room's right over here. Yeah, I see it
every morning when I come into work.
Speaker 3: They're out there cleaning the sheets and drying them.
Speaker 2: You can get a job, too.
Speaker 4: They can give you a work while you're there. You
can clean, you can wash, or you can cook.
Speaker 2: I mean, do that for the rest.
Speaker 4: Of your life.
Speaker 2: That's fine. I guess I'm going to have to.
Speaker 3: Do you know how to cook? Do you have culinary
skills and stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know how to cook. Can you cook for $ 3, 000?
That could be valuable over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can do that.
Speaker 4: Maybe you can do that. You can stir the beans
and prepare the bologna sandwiches and stuff. Yeah. I mean,
there's different trustee positions at different state prisons.
Speaker 2: Around the country.
Speaker 4: It's on the price tag of it. You get to
blow through a million dollars. A lot of people never
get to do that. You get to do that before
you end your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm going to go to prison and I'll
have to fight my way out.
Speaker 3: You'll never get out. You're never getting out.
Speaker 4: Why? It's done. Once you get sentenced to a prison sentence.
Speaker 2: I thought life in prison was 25 years.
Speaker 4: Oh, no, no, no. Life in prison means like the
rest of your life. Natural born life. If you were
getting 25 years and a judge would say, oh, 25
year sentence, 35 year sentence, 50 year sentence. Life in
prison means when you go in, you don't come out.
Kind of like the, what is that, roach motel thing?
Roaches go in, they don't come out. You're the roach. Yeah,
you'd be the roach. You go in, you wouldn't come out.
That's life. That's life in prison.
Speaker 5: I don't know what you're thinking.
Speaker 4: But don't forget they have pillows, blankets, sheets. You don't
have to worry about that. And shower shoes. You get
that orange plastic shower shoes.
Speaker 2: They even have hot water.
Speaker 4: They have hot water. You get to shower with other people,
you know. It won't be like that shower that's in
that red brick on that nicely renovated bathroom. It won't
be like that. It's, you know. Big open room, tile,
bunch of shower heads popping out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of thing. That's not fair when I
didn't kill anybody.
Speaker 4: You don't seem to want to tell us the truth.
I mean, what you want us to do is say,
all right, you're right, DeeDee. Gee, that's not fair. I mean,
we got everything pointed to DeeDee more so. Hey, all right,
not fair. Hey, but she told us.
Speaker 2: It wasn't fair.
Speaker 4: She told me it's not fair and she didn't do it. So,
Your Honor, I think that that's... And I.
Speaker 2: Tried to name all the people's names that could have
had somebody sent there to do it.
Speaker 3: And you wouldn't look any.
Speaker 4: Of them up. Somebody could have done this. Of course,
I was standing there and I buried the damn body
and I'm part of it. And then I even showed
right where it is underneath the little piece of metal
and whispered away.
Speaker 2: Here's the gun that he was killed with.
Speaker 4: Here's the body.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say who it was. There's a...
I didn't do that.
Speaker 4: Hell, it could be somebody that we don't even know about.
It could be anyone. I might have passed the guy
this morning on the way here. Because 60 is a
real busy thoroughfare between your county and mine. I might
have seen him last night. I went to dinner at Barnacle's.
The guy might have been there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people I saw.
Speaker 4: Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: I think we're done today.
Speaker 4: You ready to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't stress yourself out too much. Just anticipate it.
I know. Just tell me when you want me to
be here. No, because you want a big show. You're
only doing that to show off. You want the media there.
You want the pictures. Okay, we'll see.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 2: I'll bet you money you'll have cameras lined up for
me to walk into the jail.
Speaker 1: Moore was charged with first-degree murder, found guilty, and sentenced
to life in prison without the possibility of parole. You've
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