Crime Wire Weekly 7/31/26 | Kohberger’s New Plea, TikTok Influencer Sara Gilson, & eBay Owes $55M

Another packed episode with some wild crime related stories coming your way today!
D4vd’s high-profile hearing ends in graphic, stomach-turning testimony that left the courtroom stunned. A TikTok influencer is gunned down shortly after posting online. The full, chilling text of Nancy Guthrie’s ransom note is finally released. A woman is arrested for trying to extort victims with AI-generated nude images.
Decades later, DNA finally puts a name to the child once known only as “Lil Miss Nobody.” Florida carries out a rare double execution. A Tinder “sugar baby” arrangement spirals into disaster. Bryan Kohberger pushes to change his plea. A YouTuber faces charges in a massive fragrance-return fraud scheme. A man is arrested mid-job interview after police recognize him on a felony warrant. The wife of a Kansas City Chiefs coordinator is shot. A father is charged after his child overdoses on cocaine at the beach. eBay is hit with a $55 million judgment in a massive stalking lawsuit. And kayakers stumble upon the remains of a woman who has been missing for 40 years.

Timestamps
05:00 D4vd Hearing Ends With Graphic Testimony.
15:00 TikTok Influencer Sara Gilson Killed After TikTok Post.
22:00 Full Text of Nancy Guthrie Ransom Note Released.
31:00 Woman Arrested In Extortion Regarding AI Generated Pictures.
37:00 True Crime Time Machine: “Lil Miss Nobody” Identified by DNA.
44:00 Florida Carries Out Double Execution.
55:00 Lustful Lawbreakers : Tinder “Sugar Baby” Deal Goes Bad.
1:02:00 Bryan Kohberger Wants to Change His Plea.
1:08:00 YouTuber Charges In Massive Fragrance Scheme.
1:14:00 Foolish Felons: Man Arrested During Job Interview With Police.
OVERTIME
1:17:00 Wife of Kansas City Chiefs Coordinator Shot.
1:23:00 Man Charged After Child Overdoses on Cocaine At Beach.
1:26:00 EBAY On the Hook For 55 Million in Massive Stalking Lawsuit.
1:30:00 Kayakers Find Remains of Woman Missing For 40 Years.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Crime Wire Weekly.

Speaker 2: We're going to cover just a few of the topics

you're going to be hearing today. David spelled D four VD. Okay,

his hearing has ended.

Speaker 1: He is in some.

Speaker 2: Serious trouble, very graphic testimony. In this preliminary hearing. We're

going to cover all of that. Out of California, a

TikTok influencer by the name of Sarah Gilson was killed

after posting a TikTok about her husband, who was a

what do we call that an essay ce Sam person. Yeah,

I'm trying to stay friendly to the algorithm, but we'll

get into that story and I'll probably totally screw up

the algorithm.

Speaker 3: We don't care tell the truth wed.

Speaker 1: Yeah, right.

Speaker 2: Full text of Nancy Guthrie's ransom note has been released.

Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that.

Speaker 2: A woman has been arrested in an extortion case regarding

AI generating pictures in Louisiana.

Speaker 3: And we knew this was going to be coming, that

AI was going to cause a lot of problems.

Speaker 2: It is, but this has got quite the twist that

we're going to get.

Speaker 1: Into true crime time machine.

Speaker 2: We're going back on that and we're going to tell

you a story from nineteen sixty. On this day, Florida

has carried out the first double execution in quite a while,

two executions on the same day. Governor Ron DeSantis. He

means what he says right when it comes to the laws.

So we're going to talk about that. We're going to

bring you to a tender date in which a sugar

baby deal went bad.

Speaker 3: Real bad head.

Speaker 2: Actually, it's gonna be our Lustful Lawbreakers segment. Brian Koberger

is back in the news. He's wanting to change his

plea like that something. Yeah, not a shocking you know

thing there, but considering the fact that he pleaded in

court to all these things. We're going to give you

the reason why a YouTuber has been charged in a

massive fragrance scheme.

Speaker 3: This story stinks, guys, right.

Speaker 2: Kelly's going to have another foolish Felon's segment talking about

a man arrested during a job interview with police.

Speaker 3: You know, put yourself out here dressed for the job

you want, not the job.

Speaker 2: The wife of Kansas City chiefs coordinator has been shot.

Fortunately she did love. We're going to bring you that

story in overtime, a man has been charged after his

child overdoses on cocaine at the.

Speaker 3: Beach, because that's what you need to have at the

beach with us.

Speaker 2: eBay is on the hook for fifty five million, fifty

five million dollars in a mass A stalking lawsuit that

I found very interesting. Also in overtime, and kayakers have

found the remains of a woman missing for over forty

years is also coming in the overtime segment.

Speaker 1: So welcome to Crime Wire Weekly.

Speaker 3: I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.

Speaker 1: Kelly.

Speaker 3: Anything new, Yeah, there's actually a lot new. And I

think that the news has been wild this week with

updates and big cases and trials that are taking place, big.

Speaker 1: Ones, big ones. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3: And I know that you've been all over Nolan Wells

one yourself.

Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm invested in that case. I mean,

you know, it's right here around the corner from where

we record. I mean it's literally an hour and a

half away. Been there many times, the Ocean Springs, Mississippi area,

And there's a lot of so much misinformation out there

right now that you know, I'm struggling to correct I mean,

because people make up their minds and they can have

I will never understand how people can have all the

evidence sitting right in front of them and still go

another direction.

Speaker 3: The reality of our life is this, people will believe

what they want to believe, and it's regardless of the evidence.

Speaker 1: I mean, we find, we have videos, you can have audience,

think about it.

Speaker 3: Think about this too, Like you ever met somebody, I'm guilty.

I'll tell you this right now. If I've ever met

somebody before and then my best friend doesn't like them,

I will make up my mind right then. Now. It

doesn't mean over time that that opinion won't change. But

I think sometimes we look through these glasses that we have.

You know, everyone's got their own predisposition to what they

think has occurred or will occur or has occurred, and

it affects the truth. And the truth cannot work that way. Yeah,

you know, the truth has got to prevail regardless.

Speaker 1: Right, I agree?

Speaker 2: All right, let's start out our first story in Forever.

Pretty much I have called this guy d four VD,

not realizing his actual it's you know, who would pronounce

that as David? I don't know, but the edgy way

clearly how her name is pronounced, So we're gonna go

with David. A multi day preliminary hearing in Los Angeles

has given a clear the clearest look yet at the

evidence prosecutors say they have against singer David Anthony Burke

known as David but spelled D four VB in the

killing of fourteen year old Celeste Hernandez.

Speaker 1: Now.

Speaker 2: Burke, who is twenty one years old, is a he's

a murdering the teenager after she threatened to expose their

relationship and damage his music career. He is pleaded not

guilty the first degree murder, continuous sexual assault of a

child under.

Speaker 1: Fourteen, and mutilating human remains.

Speaker 2: A judge is now deciding whether there's enough evidence to

send this case to trial.

Speaker 1: Now.

Speaker 2: Celeste dismember body was found in September of twenty twenty five,

and we covered it on this show. It was inside

the front trunk of a tesla. Uh and they commonly

refer to that as the fronk. Yeah, my corvette opens

from the front. Well, my part has a front trunk,

and it's called a frunk as a regular trunk.

Speaker 1: There you go. Well, you need to step up.

Speaker 3: Girl, it's called a bronk. It's in the back.

Speaker 1: Right, all right. So detectives showed photos at.

Speaker 2: The hearing of the remains pulled from the tesla and

LAPD detective Joshua Buyers describe what was visible. Quote, there

you see the head and torso minus the limbs. Other

photos showed blue plastic fragments embedded in a knee, pieces

prosecutors said came from an inflatable pool that was used

during the dismemberment. Photos of a severed head were also displayed.

Speaker 1: Two fingers were missing.

Speaker 2: Prosecutors previously indicated those fingers carried a tattoo of Burke's name.

Booking photos of Burke showed he had a tattoo of

Celeste on his left ring finger as well. The medical

examiner testified about the autopsy, including two puncture wounds to

the chest and abdomen that were determined to be the

cause of death. An LAPD detective he testified about nearly

fifty sexually explicit photos recovered from Burke's phone and iCloud data.

The images themselves were not shown in open court, but

the detective described them and identified both Burke and Celeste

in some of those photos. The first online contact between

the two, according to testimony, dated back to August of

twenty twenty two, when Celeste was eleven. The sexual relationship,

prosecutor say, began when she was thirteen. Graphic text messages

were read in court detailing passed and future sexual encounters

in discussions about their relationship. Other messages showed Celeste talking

about taking Plan B, getting an abortion, and later expressing

deep regret. One message attributed to her read, I killed

my first kid for you. Throughout the testimony, prosecutors repeatedly

emphasized her age.

Speaker 1: She was thirteen and Burke was eighteen or nineteen during

that period.

Speaker 2: Detective buyers also testified that items were ordered to Bart's

home under aliases under the name Travion Davis. Prosecutor says

he ordered a fireproof matt, a shovel, an inflatable pool,

and several chainsaws from Amazon. Two chainsaws were recovered at

the home and they showed no blood. A third purchase

from home Depot was never found. A burn box described

as a mini cremation style device was ordered under the

alias Victoria Martinez, and it was found unopened and in

its original packaging. Detective defense attorneys rather questioned why it

was not tested for touch GNA given that some people

had access to the home. Criminologist Samantha Torch testified the

blood samples from the trunk of that Tesla, as well

as stains on the garage floor. Matt a rowing machine

and a Tesla charger plug produced statistically strong matches to

Celeste DNA. The defense challenged the strength of some mixed

DNA samples in the decision not to further test those

were covered chainsaws. Prosecutors alleged they made three trips to

the Santa Barbara County after celeste disappearance, including the day

they believe she was killed. Cellar data from a phone

linked to Burke and the motim in is Tesla put

him near Highway one point fifty four, which is the

same stretch of road where Celeste passport ID was later

found by a roadside worker who happened to step into the.

Speaker 1: Brush on the night of the alleged trip.

Speaker 2: Record showed out going calls made from the phone to

Celeste number at twelve to four pm, and body camera

video from a February twe twenty four welfare check was

also played, and it Burke told a deputy that Celesti

had told him she was eighteen and that he hoped

she would be found. And you know, at the center

of this case also was money. Interscope Records executive said

Burke's contract was worth up to nineteen million if future

albums were delivered. His financial manager testified here in between

ten and eleven million between twenty twenty three and twenty

twenty five. So He's mean, Aaron had a ton of money.

And the big concern here was this would get out

that he was messing with his child and it would

ruin his career. And they are framing that as the

motive for this horrific murder of this child.

Speaker 3: I mean, I would have to agree. I think this

is first of all, sometimes I have to take a

step back and think about something. And eleven years old, y'all,

is sixth grade. Just a fer perspective, eleven years old

is a on sixth grade. So by the time she

hadn't even made it to high school. By the time

you're in eighth grade, you're thirteen years old. You're dealing with,

you know, the regret of terminating a baby. You're in

a relationship with someone way too old to ever have been.

You know, this is predatory, that's what this is. I mean,

there's no reason that an eighteen year old should have

any interest whatsoever in an eleven year old. You have

nothing in common, and that alone, in perspective, makes this

just off kilter to begin with. But then you know,

things like the chainsaws that are purchased. We all can

imagine what happened here. She was lured to the home,

they're fighting, he kills her, what stabs her or whatever,

and then they dismember her body with the chainsaws. So

they can harp on the DNA all they want to,

and how strong of a match the DNA is. They

can do all of that. But what happens here is

that we have to let common sense prevail and a

child is missing. You ordered all of these chainsaws. You

can obviously see the premeditation here because things were bought

under fake names, and it's all going to add up.

I know that's circumstantial, I get it, but it makes

sense that money is the is the is the reason,

and she's a child and they figured, you know, hell,

she's been under what his stead here for so long

as a child that they did. I guess he thought

nobody would care. She could go missing and he would

continue to make his millions.

Speaker 1: Yeah, horrifically.

Speaker 3: I mean, this is a little member, a little girl.

This is a little girl. And what as a mother,

and I know you're a father too, but as a parent,

you know, I have children this age right now. They

do not have the capacity nor the uh, the maturity

or ability to be dealing with the level of problematic

things that were happening here. This is a child fighting

an adult and she didn't win, right, So I hope

that he gets everything that he's got coming towards him.

Speaker 1: Same.

Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's go to uh Tulsa, Oakland and

man TikTok. When this thing first took off, do you remember,

like at first, I didn't get on it because I

I don't know, I just thought that it was going

to be a fad or something.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I was the same way. Yeah, I mean I

certainly didn't see it being as big as it is.

Speaker 3: Me either, and with great interesting fun stuff. Because I'm

now I'm I'm addicted to TikTok.

Speaker 1: Come please follow her TikTok, y'all, My TikTok is horrible.

Speaker 2: Please follow her TikTok. I don't don't she wants to

be a TikTok star or something.

Speaker 3: But Jim thinks I want to be a TikTok star.

I just want to hold the fall in love with

my bird. Teddy is a freaking and it's his third

birthday by the way, so happy birthday to my bird.

Speaker 1: But anyway, tiktoks that people can fallow.

Speaker 3: I don't even know what it is.

Speaker 2: I think it's add unspeakable to the podcast or something,

is it?

Speaker 3: I think whatever, it's just me anyway, I don't post

a lot on there, but regardless, I love TikTok. I

like watching the videos, and I like when the algorithm

gets in line with what you what you like. You know,

I've got a lot of policing videos and stuff like this.

But with great things comes a lot of responsibility. And

now it's a couple dealing with some serious problems here. So,

an Oklahoma social media influencer and hairstylist was fatally shot

by her estranged husband less than two weeks after posting

a TikTok video accusing him of being a pedophile. Sarah Gilson,

forty three, was found dead Thursday, July twenty third, alongside

her husband, Jeremiah, who went by Sean Duffy, who's forty eight.

Police say the deaths appeared to be a murder suicide.

A child in the home discovered the scene, which that

I don't know how you even recover from that as

a kid, but a child recovered that scene and is

the one who called nine one one after hearing what

was described as a disturbance. According to police, officers initially

responded to a domestic violence call around eleven sixteen PM

after dispatcher's heard a woman screaming followed by what sounded

like a gunshot. A short time later, a boy called

nine to one one from a neighbor's house and reported

that his stepfather had shot his mother. When officers arrived,

they found both Gilson and Duffy dead from a parent

gunshot wounds to the head. Gilson, who went by at

Miss Gilson on TikTok and she had over thirty thousand followers,

posted a video on July eleventh, participating in a popular

Netflix documentary trend which I've seen this go viral. I've

wanted to do it too. Through that music plays and

it's like you're getting ready, you know, set up for

an interview, and in the clip, she sat in a

chair facing the camera and wrote in a text overlay,

preparing for when Netflix drops a documentary about my soon

to be ex husband, who I just found out is

a pedophile. She added, I wish I was joking along

the hashtags along with the hashtags referencing the trend. The

accusation stemmed from events in early June. On June ninth,

the fifteen year old girl who played on a youth

basketball team in which her ex husband coached and her

to the child and her parent, reported to police that

he had inappropriately touched her during an event at an

elementary school. Another coach intervened and reported the incident. Police

said similar conduct toward the same player had allegedly occurred

over an extended period across multiple jurisdictions and states. Because

Duffy is a member of the Osage Nation and the

incident occurred on tribal land, the case was referred to

the US Attorney's Office for review on a potential lewd

molestation charge. Police contacted Gilson the following day and advised

her on seeking protection. On June tenth, she obtained an

emergency protective order against Duffy in Tulsa County, and then

court records show the order required him to stay one

hundred yards away from her and the home. In the filing,

Gilson alleged Duffy had a firearm, threatened suicide, and Quote

went on the run. The same day. The mother of

the fifteen year old player had also filed for a

protective order, alleging Duffy had kissed and touched her daughter,

invited her to his hotel room during the tournament, and

offered her money to Quote keep quiet. Gilson had previously

sought protective orders against Duffy in twenty twenty one. Those

were dismissed after she did not appear for the hearings.

Gilson leaves behind two children. A GoFundMe was created to

support them, with Gilson or with organizers describing Gilson as

an incredible mom whose children were the center of her world.

Police said the investigation into the deaths continues, but there

is no ongoing threat to the public. The molestation allegations

against Duffy remain under federal review.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're watching this on Patreon right now,

you're seeing a screenshot.

Speaker 1: Of the actual post that she did with this trend

on Netflix.

Speaker 2: And it's interesting that when she released that, it actually

shut up on my feed.

Speaker 3: That's how I saw it.

Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course a few days, you know, shortly thereafter,

find an article that says she's been killed.

Speaker 1: And I remember when she put that.

Speaker 2: On there, I was thinking, oh man, that's going to

have a repercussion. You know, I didn't know anything about

the case, but in my mind, I'm thinking number one,

I'm thinking.

Speaker 1: I hope she's not falsifying that. And he didn't do anything.

Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about that case, and sometimes he's

divorces can get ugly. I wondered if it was certainly

you know, I was in shock when I heard that

same girl had been killed because I don't even follow her.

It just shut up on my feed, or didn't follow

her when she was alive. It just shut up on

my feed as a recommended follow. But horrific and she

was mad and she's beautiful girl.

Speaker 3: And that video had one point five million oh yeahs.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it was everywhere, and apparently h push this asshole

over the edge. You know, if he's indeed guilty of

all of these things and then killed himself.

Speaker 3: And I would have to argue here that it's probably

true because well, the reason I would say that, Okay, obviously.

Speaker 2: We don't know.

Speaker 3: Obviously we have no clue. But what I would the

reason I say that is because if he offered her

money to quote keep her quiet, then.

Speaker 2: Silence that would point to guilt. That would point to guilt,

and just a horrible situation. And a child involved in this.

Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my own my own friend and she

was my bridesmaid, was murdered by her husband and their

child witnessed it. And these are just things that you

I don't know how children are so resilient, I'll give

them that, and that's one thing that I guess is good.

But to witness something at this magnitude that young. We

got to pray for those kids. Yeah, that's I mean,

life altering obviously, but just that's bad.

Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to uh Tucson, Arizona and Nancy

Guthrie back in the news, of course. Nearly six months ago,

eighty four year old Nancy Guthrie vanished from her Tucson,

Arizona home, and the complete contents of that first ransom

note have been sent or sent to her family have

been made public for the first time.

Speaker 3: Let me ask you this real quick. Didn't TMZ release

part of the ransom note or something at first?

Speaker 1: You will?

Speaker 2: There were seven ransom notes and TMZ did release one

cent to them, to them, OK, to them, this was

not that particular note, and there were pieces of this one.

I want to say, they reported on. Yeah, but never

has the full ransom note been read. So crime journalist

Briana Whitney read the full note on Crime Junkie podcast.

The message was addressed directly to her daughter Today's show

co anchor, Savannah Guthrie, and it was sent on or

around February second of twenty twenty six, which was one

day after Nancy was reported missing. According to Crime Junkies reading,

the note began, Hello, Savannah, we have your mother Nancy.

Speaker 1: She is safe but scared.

Speaker 2: She will be held for ransom and once payment is

received she will be released unharmed. We will be holding her.

Speaker 1: For a maximum of seven days.

Speaker 2: It then demanded millions of dollars in bitcoins, starting at

four million, with the deadline of Thursday, February fifth, which

escalated to six million if that was missed, with the

final deadline of Monday February ninth, at five pm. The

note continued, Once payment is received at the Bigcoin addressed below,

she will be released within twelve hours of deposit to

a safe drop off location back in Tucson. If the

payment is not received by the last deadline on Monday

the ninth, by five pm, she will be killed. Your

mother is aware of this, and her life is in

your hands. It is in the best interest of everyone

to have this completed ascent as possible. You will not

be able to contact me from here on out. There

will be no negotiations. Do not play games. Law enforcement

will not be able to help you. Authorities have previously confirmed.

The note contained specific details about Nancy Guthrie's home that

were not public at the time, including the location of

her Apple Watch with a white band, left on the

floor near her bed in a disabled floodlight on the

back porch. Those details led investigators to treat the communication seriously.

A second note, since day's letter from the same IP address,

with the final deadline still approaching, took a sharply different tone.

It claimed Nancy died shortly after the abduction from what

the sender described as heart related to issues. The messages

stated the captors did not fully grasp the seriousness of

her physical conditions, and said her death was unintentional, claiming

she was quote buried in nature, and offered an apology.

The FBI had had said some ransom communications were determined

to be illegitimate extortion attempts, while others remained under investigation

as potentially legitimate. A California man has already pleaded guilty

to sending fake ransom demands.

Speaker 1: Can you believe that related to this case?

Speaker 2: No other arrest had been made in connection with the disappearance,

and the investigation continues to be treated as a kidnapping

for ransom.

Speaker 3: So a few things about this case, And obviously I'm

going to preface this by saying speculation. You know, obviously

I have no more information than you or anybody else

about this case. But I am just really feeling like

this is what it is in this instance, Like they

took her because they asked for an amount that they

I think they did their research on Savannah Guthrie, first

of all, and I think they knew what her income.

You can look that up online and see what celebrities

you know, make and all that net worth. So let's

just guess here. I don't know this, but let's just

guess they're only asking for like three percent of her

net worth. You know, then they fully would have expected

she'll she'll pay the money, and then we can release

the mom and then we're rich and life is good.

However they did I think they did. I think they

underestimated how necessary her medication was. And then you put

that old woman under that kind of stress and she

has a heart attack and die. You know what I'm saying, like,

you can't look at the unintended consent or the consequences

if this was your first kidnapping, of what that body

will go through, what that person will go through, and

then she up and dies, and they're fucked like, oh

my god, we didn't This is not what we wanted.

You know what I'm saying, This is not what we

wanted at all. And I think they panicked. I do

think that they panicked, and they said, oh my god,

this is not the plan. What do we do now?

And that's why they would send another letter and say

this was not intended. We did not mean to do that,

you know, because I don't know that they necessarily did.

Speaker 2: Well, here, you and I have two different theories, right, go,

So here's my thought. And of course, y'all we are

totally speculatingdah, we don't know. Obviously, we know nothing.

Speaker 1: I have thought for a long time that.

Speaker 2: They killed her intentionally, okay, that it wasn't a natural

cause this thing. And I think the reason they did

it was they did not realize how big this was

going to be, you know. And no, I don't think

they realized that the President of the United States was

going to come out and say, you have all the

resources you need to get Nancy back. And I think

they freaked out because they're like, if we if we

return her, we're taking an even bigger chance because they

likely would have been caught if that would have had

the information she had some and somebody's gonna see something.

Speaker 1: They were probably worried about that.

Speaker 2: And they knew if we just wash our hands of this,

say she died of natural causes, we can get out

of this.

Speaker 1: There's too much heat.

Speaker 2: I don't think they thought it would be this much

heat on this case. I mean, in today's show, host,

you wouldn't think would be that big of a deal.

Speaker 1: I don't.

Speaker 3: So this is where the question, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and

I like talking it through with you because everybody's got

different thoughts and we don't know. But my thing all

goes back to her pacemaker. If I didn't have any

intention of using her as a bargaining chip, like proof

of life or something like that, then I would have

thought she would have been done rather quickly. But that

pacemaker continued working for a while. And that's the only

reason why they don't know that. Well, they do know

when it cut contact with the Apple device or when

it stopped functioning with you.

Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like a Bluetooth.

Speaker 2: That's like if you're wearing Bluetooth headphones and you can

get too far away from your phone and it disconnects.

They don't know that the pacemakers when it stopped. They

just know when she was far enough away that it

was no longer connecting with.

Speaker 1: The Apple Watch.

Speaker 2: You can't get to Mexico if you're in the United

States and your Apple Watch stay connected to your pace.

Speaker 3: But I thought they had pacemakers now that could send

live data to that could send live data to.

Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I don't know either.

Speaker 2: My understanding was the it has to stay connected via

Bluetooth to the device whatever that is in her case

and Apple Watch. And when she got far enough away

where that antenna, if you will, wouldn't reach, it just disconnected, which.

Speaker 3: Would have meant that they kept her close by.

Speaker 1: No, it disconnected so she was far by. You just

know what.

Speaker 3: But I'm saying it didn't disconnect immediately. Wasn't it like

it went on for hours before?

Speaker 1: I don't remember it saying.

Speaker 3: See stuff like that, those little nuances, those that small

detail is stuff that we would have to really.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember them saying it went on for

a length of time.

Speaker 3: Well, I'll just leave it at this. Then I'd be

very interested to know the exact amount of time and

not speculation, but the exact amount of time on that,

because if it did stay connected, let's say for forty

eight hours before it disconnects, Oh, I know.

Speaker 2: It wasn't that long. It was it was within an

hour or less. I'm telling you. It's like your headphones

on your you ever wore Bluetooth headphones and then got

too far away from or or your your car connects

to your Bluetooth and on your phone, and maybe you

leave your phone at your house and you drive to

the store, and eventually as you're driving off together to

the store, you're it disconnects from your.

Speaker 1: Phone because that's at your house, same situation.

Speaker 2: You're talking minutes, okay, not not any longer than that.

That's to my recollection. Now, certainly I could be wrong, right,

but that's that's to my recollection on that. Regardless of it,

it's horrific and I don't know that it Sadly, I

don't think they're ever.

Speaker 1: Going to find this, Nancy.

Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think they will either. So just

a quickly a quick research here says and again just

a quick research says, a Bluetooth enabled pacemaker typically stays

connected to a sinct smartphone or device only while within range,

which is thirty feet, and loses its active pairing connection

if moved out of range for more than roughly twenty

four hours.

Speaker 2: And so so it's going to disconnect the second they

leave the house. Now it'll and what they mean by

pairing is you'd have to repair it after twenty four hours.

Speaker 1: But it's not going to know where whether it's ticking.

Speaker 2: Or not for twenty four hours's only going to know

it can only know when it's connected.

Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense, and it says that

data on her particular like type, according to this quick

search again, is typically transmitted automatically once a day, usually

between twelve am and four am, which.

Speaker 1: You would have to be connected for that to happen, right.

Speaker 3: Right, right, So you know, hey, I don't claim to

know everything, you know? And so come on, I was

tested and they said negative for knowing everything. But yeah, yeah,

I think that she will be a very hard find

at this point.

Speaker 1: I agree.

Speaker 3: All right, let's stay right here in Livingston Parish, Louisiana,

the great state of Louisiana. But this is big, okay,

And this just hit the news. So a Morrero woman

is facing charge. It not Marrero. Where's Marrero?

Speaker 1: That's it like down by New Orleans.

Speaker 3: Yeah okay, So people who aren't from here would know

that this is not in the parish. It's out of

the parish. A Morrero woman is facing charges as part

of an investigation into online and phone threats, harassment, and

extortion right here in our parish. So, according to the

Sheriff's office, deputies arrested Haiti or Tez, she's twenty nine

years old, and booked her into the LPSO Detention Center

on the following charges unlawful dissemination of AI nude photos

on line, impersonation, injuring public record, extortion, and domestic stalking.

One alleged victim was receiving threats of rape and other

bodily harm in exchange for monetary funds to prevent threats

from happening. And that's according to our sheriff, AI generated

photos and shriff art all right, thank you.

Speaker 1: The wonderful people in other states don't know who it is.

Speaker 3: That's true.

Speaker 1: Give him a shout out.

Speaker 3: Shout out, sheriff. I know he's listening, all right. Uh.

An AI generated photo or photos and videos were created

of one of the victims and were sent out to

numerous family members and friends. As the investigation continued, the

sheriff said more threats were sent to the victims, now

threatening to get one of the victims employments terminated. According

to the Sheriff's office because of allegations of overseas suspects

being involved due to past relationships and acquaintances in Greece.

Homeland Security helped deputies in this investigation. The investigation took

a wild turn when search returns and subpoenas from search

and suspect platforms used to make these harassing messages and

threats started coming back. The investigation led back to an

individual and the questioning of as at first believed to

be a victim, but she's now the suspect.

Speaker 2: Haiti Ortiz talk about a twist in that case, and

so as I understand it, she was doing this to

other people, and it looks like she did this to

herself to throw the throw the scent off of her,

if you will.

Speaker 1: So if she's making AI.

Speaker 2: Images of herself, she can say I'm a victim. Thinking

police will never put two and two together with dumbas lpso.

Speaker 1: I'm not always going to know.

Speaker 3: I know, well, you know. This kind of is adjacent

to something I saw yesterday, a report where an Uber

driver had sent or accused these teenagers in his car

basically of damaging and destroying his car, and so he

had he had fined the rider's seventy five dollars, which

I didn't know you could do because I don't I

don't Uber. But anyway, the dad of the two girls Suber, Okay,

I'm not jumping in a stranger's car. I'm sorry, I'm

just not I'm not doing it. But anyway, the dad

of the girls, they went and told their dad and

he's like, what are you talk about. They're like, we

didn't do anything of this guy's car. Well, then the

the Uber driver submitted pictures of the damage that they

did to the vacseat. It looked like food or vomit

or something was all over the seat. Well, the dad's

looking at it, and I was like, well, hold on a

damn minute, because in the right hand corner of the photo,

which you wouldn't have noticed unless I guess you were

scrutinizing it was that little Gemini symbol, you know, it's

like a kind of like a diamond. And he's like,

that's AI. And so they contacted Uber, who promptly apologized

and sure enough it was fake.

Speaker 1: Yeah, to watch it.

Speaker 3: You have to watch it.

Speaker 1: Man, some stuff today, But I'm still mind blowing. You

don't Ober, I do not Uber.

Speaker 3: You won't market place on marketplace.

Speaker 2: But if you travel, how do you get to your destination?

If you travel, you fly somewhere.

Speaker 3: I get a rental car, Okay.

Speaker 2: I mean that's Coolah, we'll check it out.

Speaker 3: But like I get off a plane, right I may

not have a weapon available, and I just don't want

to get in a stranger's car.

Speaker 1: Really taking a taxi only in New.

Speaker 3: York where I'm in the midst of millions of people

with other people. I'm just I don't know. That's a

weird one for me. I don't like school.

Speaker 1: It's just awesome. I don't think I've ever met anybody.

Speaker 2: But you're right, I won't do marketplace, all right, I

read too many crime reports.

Speaker 3: You jump in the uber and I'll go by the

awesome anties.

Speaker 1: All right, we'll do that, but back to that quickly.

Speaker 2: This is going to be a continuous problem with AI

and photos and things like that. And the sad thing

is they don't really have anything that can determine whether

it's fake or not.

Speaker 1: As of this point.

Speaker 2: There'll be little idio secrecies in some of these pictures,

but some of them.

Speaker 1: Are, won't.

Speaker 3: I think the laws we can look for these laws

to be changing very rapidly as we get a grip

of what's going on here.

Speaker 1: That's right now.

Speaker 2: I mean, we just passed a law here in Louisiana

about uh about that creating fake AI nude images and

then extorting people. Yeah, within the last six months, right.

Speaker 3: And then the argument too became about well what if

it's okay, So, like we have child predators, right, and

they like to have child porn on their foot on

their phones, Well, what if it's not real? What if

it's fake images of child porn? Are we going to

allow that? And the answer for that, right, and so

the answer is no, we don't care if it's fake,

we don't do that. That's weird and it's unacceptable. So yeah,

like I said, I think we're in the right direction

of starting to make make laws against it.

Speaker 1: That's right.

Speaker 2: All right, let's go on the true crime time machine.

Maybe booo, we're going to get a July first, excuse me,

July thirty first of nineteen sixty and I'm going to

tell you about a Las Vegas school teacher named Russell

Allen who was searching for decorative rocks in a remote desert.

This is in Congress at well near Congress, Arizona, and

he uncovers a partially buried remains of a young girl. Okay,

This discovery in a creek bed in that area would

become one of the most haunting unsolved cases in Arizona.

History and in the Southwest. The child, estimated at the

time to be between the ages of three and six

years old, had been dead for one or two weeks.

Her body showed signs of having been burned. She was

found wearing white and red shorts, a distinctive checker blouse,

and an adult sized and adult sized rubber flipflops that

have been cut down to fit her small feet and

secured with leather stripes. Her fingernails toenails painted bright red,

and no definitive cause of death could be determined due.

Speaker 1: To some advanced decomposition and.

Speaker 2: The effects of the summer heat, but the death was

ruled a homicide. Investigators noted two other disturbing areas of

soil nearby that appeared to be failed attempts at a burial,

along with adult footprints and possible tire tracks. So the

community obviously deeply moved by this this is a young child,

residents bound together. They raised money for a proper funeral,

and the little girl was buried under a headstone that

simply read quote little miss Nobody with the words blessed

or the pure in heart. For sixty two years, her

identity remained a mystery despite nationwide appeals at the assistant

and countless leads. On March fifteenth of twenty twenty two,

the Sheriff's office announced that advanced DNA technology she had

finally given her a name, Sharon Lee Gallagos. Sharon was

born on September sixth of nineteen fifty five in New Mexico,

Alamo Gordo. She was two month shy of her fifth

birthday when she was abducted on the afternoon of July

twenty first of nineteen sixty. While playing with two cousins

in an alley behind her grandmother's home, a couple in

a dark green nineteen fifty two Dodge sedan approached. They

offered her candy and new clothes, and when she refused,

the woman, described as a short, heavy set person in

her thirties with dirty blonde hair, grabbed the child and

forced her into the car. The man, described as thin

with sandy hair with a long nose, drove away at

high speed. Witnesses, including her cousins, immediately reported the abduction.

Roadblocks were set up at the New Mexico Texas border,

but the couple was never found. Investigators later learning the

pair had been seen in that area for several days,

if not weeks, before that kidnapping, and they were asking

neighbors to pointing questions about Sharon and her mother.

Speaker 1: At the time, authorities.

Speaker 2: Briefly considered whether the Arizona remains could be belonged to

the New Mexico girl, but differences in clothing, an initial

age estimate that seemed slightly older, and the roughly five

hundred miles distance between the areas led investigators to discount

that connection. Technology of that era just was not advanced

enough to confirm or rule it out with any certainty.

Now that change with modern forensic science, and in twenty

twenty one, the Sheriff's office partnered with AUTHRAM, which is

a Texas based forensic laboratory specializing in degraded DNA samples.

Using forensic grade genome sequencing, scientists extracted a usable DNA

profile from skeletal remains. Despite the extra degregation and genealogy

that pointed to a potential biological sembling, Rapid familiar testing

confirmed a match with Sharon's half brother. The identification, announced

nearly sixty two years after this body was found today,

is the oldest case connection cold case identification rather in

the County's history, and it were ranks among the oldest

salt cases by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

So while Sharon Galagos finally has her name back, the

investigation into abducted and murdered her continues. Authorities are still

looking for information that could identify the man and woman

in the green car and explain what happened in the

roughly ten days between her kidnapping and the discovery of

her body in the Arizona Desert. Sharon's remains were eventually

returned to her family, and the little girl once known

is little Miss Nobody, is no longer forgotten.

Speaker 1: Exactly sixty two years later.

Speaker 3: You know, nineteen fifty five, it says was her birthday,

and that's the year my mama was born. And to think,

you know, that you've gone that long and nobody know

who you were is just a tragedy. I think we

could all agree that, you know, I wish it was

a little Miss Unknown, not little Miss Nobody, that.

Speaker 2: It was a weird, weird choice of words, but that's

what the community chose.

Speaker 1: And but.

Speaker 3: This is almost like a community tomb of the unknown

soldier in a weird way, you know, like people regarded

the child, you know, they cared if they didn't know

who she was and to be found in a creek

bed like that. But you know, the captors are probably dead.

The killers are probably dead at this point because she'd

be in her seventies. That make these guys probably you know, nineties.

So will it be solved, Probably not. But I can

tell you, sitting here today, I would have much much

rather be able to identify her and let her rest

in peace and her family know than to catch her

killers at this point. It's it's moot if they're dead,

you know. But genetic genealogy. Genealogy is a gift. Uh,

it's incredible. I've said this before, but I spoke personally

with the incredible C. C. Moore, who really has you know,

driven this, this this science, and I think that only

good things are going to come come from this.

Speaker 1: I agree.

Speaker 2: And if you're watching on the Patreon right now, of

course we do the video versions of this podcast, you

can see the actual headstone with little Miss Nobody on it.

Pop that up for you, as well as a newspaper article.

Speaker 1: Yeah on the case.

Speaker 3: Just because it's old doesn't make it any less important.

And so I'm glad you. I'm glad you wrote that

one and cover that one. That's a good one. All right,

let's go to Stark, Florida. Now we're about to get

dark and to the point with this one, because Ron

DeSantis is not joking. Is not joking. F a fo So,

Florida executed a former police officer Tuesday afternoon and planned

a second lethal injection hours later, marking the state's first

double execution in more than sixty years. James Aaron Duckett,

sixty eight, was pronounced dead at one nineteen pm following

a three jug three drug lethal injection at Florida State Prison.

He was the eleventh inmate executed by the state in

twenty twenty six. Dominic Anthony O Kee Cooney is how

I had to look that one up because it's a

different Okcone Junior, he was eighty, was scheduled to follow

at six pm the same day, which would make him

the oldest person executed in Florida's modern history. The pairing

of the two executions on a single day is the

first in Florida since May of nineteen sixty four, when

Emmett Blake and cy Dawson were electrocuted. Same day executions

were more common in earlier decades. State records show Florida

carried them out thirty two times between nineteen twenty four

and nineteen sixty four. Nationwide, the last time a state

conducted two exit acutions on the same day was in

Arkansas in twenty seventeen. So the South is like not

playing around.

Speaker 1: With these executions.

Speaker 3: Duckett, a former Mascot police officer, was convicted of the

May nineteen eighty seven rape and murder of eleven year

old Teresa May mcabbey, and on the night of the crime,

the girl walked to a convenience store. Duckett, the only

officer on duty, was seen interacting with her near the store.

Her body was later found in a nearby lake. Medical

examiners determined she had been sexually assaulted while alive, strangled,

and then drowned. Duckett maintained his innocence for nearly four decades.

His case rested heavily on circumstantial evidence, including fingerprints, tire tracks,

and a hair comparison. Later questioned by defense experts. Recent

DNA testing ordered after a stay of execution on an

earlier warrant, returned inconclusive results. Oki Kone was convicted in

June of nineteen eighty six. It was multiple murders. It

was the murders of Rain and Martha Artzner, the parents

of his ex girlfriend. And this was at their home

in Holiday in Pascoe County. Sorry, I'm struggling here with

all these locations. He shot Raymond in the face and

shot Martha four times, including three times in the chest.

He received a death sentence for Martha's murder and a

life sentence for Raymonds. At the time of the crime,

ok kone was angry over the couple's role in the

breakup of his relationship. I'd have to argue here that

those parents were probably right sound talking. Yeah. Both men

were sentenced under non unanimous jury recommendations that would not

meet today's standards in Florida, which now requires at least

eight votes for death. Duckett's jerry voted eight to four

for death. Okone is voted seven to five. Both spent

nearly four decades on death row. Last minute appeals to

the Florida Supreme Court and the U. S Supreme Court

were denied. Duckett's lawyers argued unresolved questions of innocence and

DNA handling. Okcone's attorneys cited his advanced age, sidney and

prostate problems, and other ailments, contending that lethal injection could

constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Sorry, kJ comment here, Get

out of here, Get the hell out of here, because

I think shooting people in the face and in the

chest multiple times is forty damn cruel. Not to mention

their daughter had to live her entire life, so I

don't give a shit about your prostate, sir, all right.

Governor Ron DeSantis signed the warrants. He has accelerated the

pace of executions in his final years in office after

relatively few in his earlier terms. Florida carried out a

record nineteen executions in twenty twenty five. DeSantis has said

the goal is to deliver long delay justice to victims' families,

noting many of the crimes date to the nineteen eighties. Critics,

including anti death penalty groups, called the double execution and escalation,

and question both the logistics of back to back procedures

and the fairness of cases involving non unanimous juries, advanced

age and lingering evidentiary disputes. Again, age doesn't matter to me?

Does it matter to you? I could care less. Prison

of Fifi did not publicly detail any special logistical measures

required for the six hour gap between the two lethal injections.

Florida uses a three drug protocol consisting of a sedative,

a paralytic, and a drug that stops the heart. Florida

has carried out twelve executions in twenty twenty six, continuing

its position as the nation's busiest death penalty state this year.

Speaker 2: A couple of things on that man, you hit the

nail on the head. Florida don't play Obviously, they're rolling

them out two at a time.

Speaker 1: That's a big deal.

Speaker 2: You know, I know there's people out there don't agree

with the death penalty. Sure, the evil that I've seen

in cover every day. My personal opinion is there's some

people that just don't deserve to be breathing oxygen. I'm

sorry to say that, but that's my opinion. Now that

being said, one thing I do want to say is,

you know Governor Desciantists, who has done a phenomenal job

in Florida. Everything in Florida lightly seems great. There areomy

is on fire. He has got to be one of

the best governors in history, and I'll tell you what

he turned out, So he's not going to be governor

this upcoming I think twenty twenty eight is when the

new governor will start there May And if I was

in Florida, I'd be like, term limits suck, even though

I'm a proponent of that in most instances. In this instance,

that's where term limits are bad things.

Speaker 1: Well because people.

Speaker 3: Like that, Well, whoever he endorses is going to really

matter because you know he'll expect them to follow on.

But you know, I wanted to bring this up to

our listeners because it's just a thought to ponder here. Okay,

but back to this discussion about unanimous juries, because that's

been brought up. I this is unanimous jury specifically, is

a topic that my opinion has changed dramatically because when

I first heard about unanimous jury, like in a perfect world,

I was like, hell, yeah, you're right. You know, if

this is a death penalty case, I I think that

everyone on the jury. Now again this is old me, okay,

but everyone on the jury would obviously see this as

death penalty worthy. You know what I'm saying, Like, this

is a capital case where you've done something so egregious,

so horrific, so dark and devious, that everyone on the

jury would see that the death penalty was warranted. AKA,

let's talk about like a school mass shooting. But the

person who changed my mind on this, and it only

took minutes, okay, is a man named Max Shacter. Max

Shacter is the father of one of the victims in

the Parkland shooting in Florida. And what he told me

that changed my mind was that the killer of all

of those kids, with a documented history of being a

nuisance and a problem, the only reason that he was

not executed for what he did to those kids was

because there was a juror who from the jump said,

I don't care what happens, I will not vote for

the death penalty. So one person can throw an entire

jury as far as getting the death penalty. So my

mind has been changed on this permanently. I don't believe

in unanimus suries.

Speaker 1: Talk to me, no, go for it.

Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like in the case of someone

being executed, somebody there has some the situation that you

brought up, that's why you have strikes, and so the

prosecution didn't have to allow that person to be on

the jury. They obviously did. They didn't use their strike,

so that's their fault. Quite frankly, if somebody says no

matter what, I'm not going to guess what that disqualifies.

Speaker 3: Yeah, but if they didn't say it at that point

in the in the jury selection, you wouldn't know, Well.

Speaker 1: That's correct. So they said it after, is what you're saying.

Speaker 3: From what I understand.

Speaker 2: From what I understand, Okay, well if that's the case,

that's a different scenario. But to me, if you have

a jury for something as serious as being put to

do out because guess what, people have been put to

death that we're innocence doesn't happen all the time, But

DNA has exonerated people off a death row. Look it up.

It's a pretty shocking number. So it happens. If you

have a jury and let's say two people are one

way and the rest of the jury is another way,

there's some doubt somewhere on that jury. I feel like

for capital cases, I'm not necessarily against it.

Speaker 1: I know it's very.

Speaker 2: Hard to get twelve people do agree on anything, but

on a capital case, I don't know. I mean, I'm

kind of on the fence on that I haven't seen

enough to change my mind that it's not a good idea.

Speaker 3: Well, if you're if you're like I think about it

too in terms of like a school, Okay, you pass,

if you make an A. You don't have to have

one hundred percent A. You just have to have a

really good score of A. If one person from the

jump tells you, I don't care what happens, I won't

vote for the death penalty. I don't find that to

be fair because if you're on a capital.

Speaker 1: Case but they didn't say it till after, well.

Speaker 3: That's my understanding regardless. I don't know that they should

have alternates. I mean, I don't know the process. I'm

not an attorney here. But but if you this from

the jump, are not willing or able to come down

with a capital punishment verdict, then that means you're not

an objective person. Because you're told that at the beginning

that this is a capital case. You know that these

this will include that type of ability, and I just

don't like, I don't know. I just go back to

that Parkland thing and all.

Speaker 2: But that doesn't happen in every every jury. You're using

one situation and saying we should do away with the

whole law because one guy did that on one jury,

I would say the majority of juris the vast majority,

probably nine hours. If you give your oath that you

can be fair and impartial, you give your oath that

you can be fair and impartial. I would say that

that's not There's not one person on every jury, and

in capital case that has that opinion, because there's tons

that are unanimous for the death that'll be But if.

Speaker 3: You're looking at it, and I won't believe it, but

I'm just at this. If the law states that if

you do this, that the death penalty is an appropriate

according to the law, that the death penalty is appropriate

for what has happened, and then you just look that

law in the face and say, Nope, I'm not going

to do that. Don't care. I just don't find that

to be justice. I don't find that to be fair

because eleven people on the jury.

Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, I'm just saying that's not

every case.

Speaker 3: But if it was my kid one case, if it

was my kid in that one case, it would matter

so wholeheartedly. Of course, you know.

Speaker 1: In that one case, but you you let that idiot.

Speaker 2: It sounds like this guy was an idiot control the

law for the entire country because he had he pulled

that off.

Speaker 3: I just don't think that a unanimous jury is probable

in a death penalty happens. I just don't. But I

don't think it's I don't think it's going to be.

I don't know how to explain what I'm saying. I

don't think that it's more. I'd have to look at

the stats on it. But I guess what I'm telling

you is this, I was wholeheartedly for unanimous jury. I

thought that it would be captain obvious to everybody. That's

the death penalty. It just, I guess didn't occur to

me in that moment that you can be the best

person on the planet with good morals, good values, good

sense of direction, but still be against the death penalty.

And that means from the start this person may not

get just desserts that as I see fit. And again,

that's a personal.

Speaker 1: Thing out there like that, that's what you jury strikes for.

Speaker 3: Right Well, I don't know. All I'm saying is my

opinion is able to be swayed, and hey, it could

change again.

Speaker 1: I'm trying to sway it right now.

Speaker 3: It could be changed again. But I will tell you

what Alex shafter. I will never forget that child. I

will never forget what he went through. And to know

that one person walking around Florida denied that family the

peace of mind have known that that ass white will

never you know, breathe again. I just it irked me.

Maybe it's all Maybe it's an emotional agree with you,

you know. Maybe it's just an emotional knee jerk moment.

Speaker 1: But all right, well, let's lighten it up. Yeah, let's

lighten up.

Speaker 2: Let's go to lustful lawbreakers. All right now, I've got

an interesting one for you today. A sugar baby arrangement

has gone bad when a young woman who apparently wanted

nothing to do with the strings attached fled a home

of a Florida man who then gave chase and his truck,

rammed her vehicle, pulled a gun on her friend, all

these sorts of things. That's right, It went bad quick,

according to investigators. David O'Brien, who was sixty seven, mind you,

he meets Myra Turbik, who was twenty one this month,

on the Tender dating app during a subsequent exchange of messages,

O'Brien explained he was looking for a sugar baby, and

according to the ad on tender, he would pay one

thousand dollars each visit, plus dinner, and provide shopping excerch.

Speaker 3: Sounds goody, Jay, you know I am a sugar baby, Jim,

but I'm married him and he loves me.

Speaker 2: So O'Brien and the sugar baby as it were. They

agreed to meet for a meal this past week, and

Turbick was driven to the date by three of her friends.

Speaker 1: Okay, to meet this guy O'Brien.

Speaker 2: They hook up, they meet, they have dinner, He gives

her two hundred dollars. He then took her to the

lingerie store, where he bought her three different items of lingerie.

After O'Brien provided Turbick with another six hundred dollars at

the restaurant. The pair then goes back to his residence

in a retirement community, which O'Brien purchased in April, incidentally

for two hundred and seventy thousand dollars. Tourbick then tells

police that she began to feel kind of uncomfortable in

his home and she contacted her friends and said, hey,

come pick me up. So with his sugar baby wanting

to leave, O'Brien says, wait a minute, now, you should

give me my money back because that was part of

the agreement. Declining the refund request, Tourbick says, now you're

not getting none of your money back. She leaves the property,

gets in the car with a friends and leaves the area.

O'Brien pissed off about this. Apparently, he jumps in his

Ford f one fifty and he starts to chase the

four people. He subsequently rams the vehicle at a traffic circle,

causing it to strike a poll He then allegedly came

around again and hit the victim's car again, causing it

to become disabled.

Speaker 1: So, while Turbick and two of.

Speaker 2: Her friends run, a twenty two year old mail occupant

of the car was confronted by O'Brien, who pointed his

send me automatic rigor at him told him to get

on the ground or he will kill him. Eventually, O'Brien

became distracted, and the victim told cops he was going

to be shot or run away, so he chose to

run away. The defendant then attempted to locate other victims

briefly until he heard sirens coming. And when the deputies

get to the scene, O'Brien was at his f one

p fifty, had the gun in his possession, and Turbic

and her three friends they came back and everybody gives

a report, and in this report they said they were

in fear of their lives. During questioning, O'Brien said the

topic of sex first came up during dinner, with more

details of the arrangement.

Speaker 1: To be discussed with Turbi.

Speaker 2: Upon returning to his home, so O'Brien added, he began

a massage Turbick's feet and she was on her phone

the entire time.

Speaker 1: How insulting that is.

Speaker 2: Insulting now, When the woman later announced she was going

to call an uber, O'Brien told cops he knew thing

he weren't going to go as planned, and he asked

for his money back. After Turbek refused the cash.

Speaker 1: He said he knew he had been scammed and angered.

That angered him and that's what led to all this

chasing down, the run and pulling of guns. So, after

initially being read as rights, O'Brien told police of a

prior sugar baby that he had. He said that paid

relationship worked out perfectly for him. So seen above.

Speaker 2: So if you're watching this on Patreon, you're seeing this

above the screen, you can see the guy. He definitely

looks a little bit older, and he has been booked

into jail for this stunt on a ninety thousand dollars bond.

Speaker 3: All right, I think my opinion on this might surprise you.

I really do. But let's be for real right now. Okay,

everything that man did after the woman walked out of

the house was wrong. Okay, totally wrong, totally wrong. However,

whenever you're a sugar baby, now, I've really never been one,

so I don't really know how this works. Okay, but

I have a very very hard time believing that this

woman did not understand that there would be a sexual

component to this. I have a very hard time believing

that you went and bought lingerie, you went and did

these other things come on and she said, according to

what you read, she said sex came up at dinner

and that they were going to talk about it. So

I'm not an attorney here, but I do think that

there is a mitigating factor insofar as he was being

led to believe that this payment was being affront for

what would come to be. So if she knew sex

was being discussed at dinner, why did you continue to

play along, take all of his money, go back to

the house, and then call people to come get you.

It does feel like you were scammed out of your

money now, sir, sir, sir, I'm sure there is an

old lady in your retirement community who is a freak

and she would do these things for free. So you

just need to stay in your age group. Maybe it'll

get easier. But you did dead wrong. You shouldn't have

done that. And the poor guy who got the gun

pulled on him glad you made it out of that.

But I do I do have to say here that

this does I do feel like he got played. I'm

just gonna tell you, I feel like he got played.

Speaker 1: Well, there's no doubt about it. He totally got played.

But you can't react that way.

Speaker 2: No, Fortunately, you need to say, you know, maybe this

is my wake up call that I don't need to

be on tender looking for sugar baby, right right? I mean,

I mean that shit can happen.

Speaker 3: What is your favorite candy, Jim reesis do you know,

minus sugar Baby.

Speaker 1: Oh it is interesting. So just those are good too.

Speaker 3: They're really good, but they get stuck in my teeth.

All right. I hate this guy's name, I hate talking

about him, I hate even giving him any any light whatsoever.

But I'm about to talk about Brian Coburger. On July

twenty third of twenty five, a judge sentenced Brian Coberger

to four lifetimes in rism without the possibility of parole.

And I think we're all pretty familiar with his four

victims that were slaying. It's going to be Xana Kernodle, Kayleegansolvus,

and Ethan Chapin, as well as Madison Mogan Well. Just

over a year later, on July twenty seventh of twenty six,

Coburger requested a withdrawal of that guilty plea in a

petition for what's called post conviction relief, which was filed

in Idaho's Fourth Judicial District Court. Now. Coburger writes in

an affidavit attached to his petition that his council failed

to inform him of exculpatory discovery that was turned over

by prosecutors during plea discussions, and suggests that this evidence

would have changed his decision to enter a guilty plea

to the murders, and this is a quote, namely, clumps

of hair found in Ethan's hands, Coburger writes in the filing.

So on January twenty seventh of twenty three, the Trace

Evidence Unit at the FBI finalized a report detailing the

results of laboratory testing that had been done on evidence

found at the crime scene. That report revealed that debris

had been found in both the right hand and of

Ethan and the left hand of Xana, whose bodies were

discovered just a few feet apart from one another. The

debris was examined for hare's microscopically consistent with hares in

the head hair sample from Coburger, but none were found,

according to the report, which was included in a filing

made by his attorney, An Taylor on June the sixth

of twenty five. This is approximately one month before Coburger

agreed to the deal with prosecutors. The debris in Ethan's

hand is not described as clumps of hair in any

court filing or police record, but rather in retired FBI

agent Chris Whitcomb's book about the murder's broken plea. So

Coburger's petition and accompanying affidavit echo many of the questions

posed by Whitcomb in his book, which was released in

May and seeks to understand the reason for the unexplained

plea made in the case. In press appearances and interviews

following the book's release, Whitcomb claimed that the clumps of

hair in Ethan's hand had not been tested to his knowledge,

and in Coberger's affidavit, he writes that there was a

failure of further inquiry into that evidence. According to a

court document unsealed earlier this year, the DNA expert hired

by Coburger's defense team had in fact tested the hair

in Ethan's hand. That expert Ruth Ballard examined one hair

from the right hand and found it to be morphologically

consistent with decedent Chapin's own reference hair. It's unclear if

Coburger knew of Ballard's findings prior to the filing of

his petition, or if he plans to claim that there

is some unexamined clump of hair that the FBI or

DNA experts had not tested. So, if I'm understanding that correctly.

He found his own hair in his own hand. Is

what their own defense expert said. Isn't that how you

understand that to be sound? Yeah? So this is not

Coburger's only grievance, which I don't find that to be

a grievance. I mean, of course, your own hair if

you're fighting in you know you would I would expect

your hair to be in your own hand if you

were fighting for your life. Anyway, it's not Coburger's only grievance.

As he makes additional arguments in the petition for a trial,

Coburger claims that he had ineffective assistance of counsel and

that his guilty plea was not entered knowingly or voluntarily

because it was induced by unkept promises and because of

threats asserted by his legal counsel. Even though you stand

up in court before the judge and they ask you,

have you been promised or threatened? Blah blah blah anyway,

all right. Those arguments about Taylor may be hard to

prove because she is only one of the few carefully

vetted and accomplished litigators in Idaho approved to represent defendants

and death penalty cases, which Coburger's was before he entered

his plea. To avoid the outcome, the former criminology student

He's thirty one, also had assigned and written factual basis

document which stated he was willing to hereby admit responsibility

for the deaths of his four victims, who are all

brutally stabbed to death. On November the thirteenth of twenty two,

Coburger fully further admitted that the killing and murder of

his victims was wilful, unlawful, deliberate, with premeditation, and with

malice afterthought in the factual basis document. He again admitted

to the crime on the day of his sentencing last

year and was asked, are you pleading guilty because you

are guilty? This is according to Judge Stephen Hippler, and

the answer he gave was, quote unquote yes.

Speaker 2: I mean, this is a prime example of the justice

system just going awry. This God did it. Everybody knows

he did it. And of course, you know, hey, I

don't fault him for grasping at Charles whatever. I get that,

but dude, you freaking did it. You said it in court.

This is why appeals drive me nuts. There are some

very limited circumstances where appeals are in order.

Speaker 1: This is not one of those circumstances.

Speaker 3: This guy right here, Well, what's happening here is that

he loved the attention he got, He loved being all

over the news, he loved taking the responsibility for these murders.

And now that his happy ass is in prison and

he's having to deal with the consequences of everything, now

he's unhappy. So he's filing forms that you know, all

inmates are going to want that post conviction relief. But

what bothers me about it? To your point, I agree,

But what bothers me about it is that this is

the prime example of why our justice system and our

courts are backed up, why it takes forever for things

to take place, because we have numb nuts like him

who are wasting time. Yeah, you know, and if he

is also, if he's indigent, and if he's found to

not have funds, the taxpayers are the ones funding this

pony show, right, and it's going to result in nothing,

that's right. Enjoy your consequences, sir, You did.

Speaker 1: It all right.

Speaker 2: Well, let's let's go to Chicago, all right, Illinois, And

I'm gonna tell you about a pretty crazy scheme that

this guy actually got away with for a while. He's

a Chicago YouTuber and he built an online following showcasing

high end cologne and perfume collections. And he has now

been charged after authorities allege he ran a sophisticated return

fraud scheme involving modeling clay and used bottles. So his

name is Philip Carter. He's thirty. He faces three felony

counts of mail fraud and three misdemeanor counts of theft

by deception. Cook County authorities say he ordered thousands of

dollars worth of luxury fragrances online, so I want you

to keep that mind. So then he removes the original bottles,

he replaces them with modeling clay or used bottles. He

carefully reseals the packaging so it appears unopened, and then

he returns the package for a full refund. The investigation,

dubbed Operation O de Fraud by the Cook County Sheriff's

Office Organized Retail Crime Unit, begins in March after Nordstrom

reported suspicious returns. The retailer will receive boxes. The boxes

look sealed, but when they unsealed, them modeling clay was.

Speaker 3: Inside, Like, wouldn't just common sense tell you to go

buy an off brand perfume from Walmart put that liquid

in it? You would think, like, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: Well, he pulled it off. For quite a while.

Speaker 2: Investigators will review financial records, internet at Internet activities, shipping data,

and other evidence. And on July twenty second, twenty twenty six,

they get a search warrant for his apartment and get this,

they recover seven hundred and fourteen fragrance bottles with an

estimated value of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, along

with resealed boxes ready for shipment. Package is already filled

with modeling clay, additional modeling clay, a heat gun, glue,

and other materials, So we.

Speaker 1: Got all the evidence.

Speaker 2: Shall also operated a YouTube channel dedicated to Fragrances where

he would display these collections, and he built quite the

following doing that, and authority say his scheme allowed Carter

to keep genuine fragrances while receiving refunds for the packages

he returned filled with freaking clay.

Speaker 1: So look, he got away with it for a while.

Speaker 3: Fun fact here, I actually collect miniature vintage perfume bottles.

I like them. I don't care if they have the

fragrance in them or not. It's about the bottles. But

I was on my what Not app I do love

me some whatnot and there were people that were selling,

you know, on their channel, They're selling these high and perfumes.

I don't understand. How will you buy a perfume you

haven't smelled before. I don't understand how you do that, because, like,

I'm very sensitive to smells.

Speaker 1: Are you a lot of people?

Speaker 3: Am I weird?

Speaker 1: Got to the stone. I do not buy perfume.

Speaker 3: I'm very you can.

Speaker 1: Go and they got testers.

Speaker 3: Man, no, but he's but if he's but if you're buying.

Speaker 2: Them the online, know what Kelly like? If you wear Drakar,

you know what you smells like. Oh?

Speaker 3: I thought people were just buying new perfumes like to

try popular.

Speaker 1: These are like obsession and stuff, So.

Speaker 3: They're getting a deal by buying I got it.

Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, it's just selling colone.

Speaker 3: Okay, I got it. I don't know. I just always

thought it was weird that people would make that much

money selling cologne on these channel if they haven't smelled

it before. Because people what does it smell like? And

he's like, oh, flowery, And I'm like, that's that that

gets you to buy a hundred dollars bottle of perfume

without Yeah?

Speaker 1: No, I mean people do their research.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Well either way, Hey, you had a good scam,

but your perfume?

Speaker 1: Do you wear.

Speaker 3: My natural mood?

Speaker 2: No?

Speaker 3: I do, actually, but I'm very sensitive to smell. So

you know, the what's the stuff that every girl was

wearing from Alta? The number like number sixty seven or whatever.

It's the one that every girl became big. I wear

that because it smells nice. But that doesn't help much,

does it. No girls will know what I'm talking about,

like their numbered and it's orange and it was like

a big scent, like everybody was going crazy over it

smells good. That's what I wear. Jim Now, jim Ware

is a cologne. Can we talk about your colone?

Speaker 1: Sure?

Speaker 3: Jim Were is a cologne that smells really, really good.

And I have a name for it. That's not its

real name, but it was dubbed by a lady at

the grocery store and he came talking to me one day.

He's like, Kelly, I wore my cologne. I sprayed it

before I went into the store. Do you remember this,

oh woman that was checking him out?

Speaker 1: He asked me what the name of it?

Speaker 3: She said, what's the name of that cologne?

Speaker 1: What is it?

Speaker 3: What are you actually?

Speaker 2: Well, the name of it is Savage, but it's by

deal War Okay, But at the time, I couldn't. I

never can remember. A lot of people asked me what

sin is that? Yeah, I'm on the spot, so I'm like,

I can't remember. And she said, she told.

Speaker 3: Him, well, it should be named panty.

Speaker 1: Draper liquid, paint liquid. Can y'all let me tell you.

I'm never at a law for words ever, And she

got me. I couldn't even I even have. I just

looked at her and I'm.

Speaker 3: Like, Coy's phrase it. Now, I'll go parad.

Speaker 2: They should call that Linke wood Pain. Looked me right

in the face when she said it, and I'm like.

Speaker 3: Dang, he liked she liked her some Jimathy.

Speaker 2: I didn't say nothing. I just I just looked at

her like I've never been told that. Damn all.

Speaker 1: Right, check it out, check it out. It's good stuff.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll sell it to you online. Just and it

feels like modeling clay. Yeah, all right, uh, let's do

some foolish felons because this one is going to take

us to Jones County jail. Uh and this is going

to be in Mississippi. So a job interview for a

corrections officer position at the Jones County Adult Detention Facility

took an unexpected turn earlier this month when the applicant

was arrested for an outstanding felon. He warn't Keishawn Moore, thirty,

had applied for a corrections officer job with the Jones

County Sheriff's Department and reported to the jail for an interview.

During that process, Captain Cynthia Terrell or Terrell conducted a

standard background check. That check revealed that Moore was wanted

in neighboring Lamar County on a felony credit card fraud warrant.

So I guess you know you gotta just do what

you gotta do, but wow, take yourself right onto the jails.

Speaker 1: Sorry, all right.

Speaker 3: Jones County Deputy Davy Keith was called to the detention

facility and placed more under arrest on the spot. Moore

was taken into the custody of the Jones County Sheriff's

Department and later transferred to the Lamar County Sheriff's Department

to face the outstanding charge. Officials with the Jones County

Sheriff's Department confirmed the sequence of events, but have not

released additional information about the underlying Lamar County warrant, any

statements more may have made during the interview, or whether

he had prior contact with either agency. No bond or

court appearance details have been made public at this time,

but this case serves as a stark reminder that applicants

for positions of public trust in law enforcement and then

corrections are subject to rigorous vetting, sometimes with immediate and

unexpected consequences. And we want to give our shout out

to listener Jessica Hartwell for sending us that story. And

that is your foolish felon of the day.

Speaker 1: You can't beat that. Definitely a foolish felon.

Speaker 2: Probably not a good idea to go apply for a

prison job when you have warrants.

Speaker 3: And look, he's dressed nice.

Speaker 2: I like his shoes, nice, looks like he was ready

to get the job right. Unfortunately they ran his name.

I mean, come on, man, what are you thinking? You

know you got warrants. There's nobody in the world that

has warrants at nothing. I love when I watch these

clips from BODYCM footage and the people walk up to

the car and they say, well, you know you got three?

Speaker 3: What?

Speaker 1: What did I do?

Speaker 3: What did I beat my wife?

Speaker 2: You?

Speaker 1: What you did? He met? What you got Warrens for?

Speaker 3: I was watching a TikTok one time. It was so funny.

But you know, cops know their areas, right, and so

they know their criminals, they know their people that are

frequent flyers in jail. And this cop goes and he

pulls this car over and the guy jumps out and

when he sees the cop, he takes off running and

the cop doesn't chase him, and you're like, what the hell?

And he's like, Eddie or another guy's name, Eddie. You

don't have Warrens, bro, you don't have any And he stops.

He turns on. He's like what I don't He's like, no, bro,

you don't have Warrens. He's like okay, he comes walking

back to the cop. That's good stuff.

Speaker 1: All right, Well, uh, let's go into overtime.

Speaker 3: I'm ready, let's do it.

Speaker 1: All right.

Speaker 2: We're going to start off in Ashburn, Virginia, and look,

if you're a Kansas City Chiefs fan, the offensive coordinator,

Eric Banemy, say a prayer for him. The fifty seven

year old wife of the offensive coordinator, was shot multiple

times this past Sunday night at the family's home in

Louden County, Virginia. Their twenty seven year old son has

been arrested and charged in connection with that shooting. Now

Deputies from Lyden County Sheriff's Office were reported to a

report of that shooting around seven thirty pm this past Sunday.

Upon arrival, they found me of the enemy suffering from

multiple gunshot wounds, including injuries to the chest and arm.

She was transported to the hospital with serious injuries and

was listed in stable condition as of Monday. Elijah Banimy,

who is twenty seven, was arrested at the scene. He

has been charged with malicious wounding, use of a firearm,

and the commission of a in discharge of a firearm

inside a dwelling. He is being held without bond at

the Louden County Adult Detention Center, and Sheriff Mike Chapman

said me at the Enemy, who was the one to

call nine one one following the shooting. So imagine having

to call nine one one and say, my son just

shot me. Eric Banemy, who has been with the Chiefs

training at training camp in Saint Joseph, Missouri, left camp

to be with his wife.

Speaker 1: The team issued his statement.

Speaker 2: Monday saying it was aware of the incident involving his

family and would not comment further out of respect for

their privacy, adding their thoughts and prayers with them. Chiefs

coach Andy Reid addressed the situation after practice on Monday,

saying his heart goes out to Eric B. Enemy and

the mea is stable, which is a plus. We all

love Eric and we hate seeing these things happen.

Speaker 1: Eric B.

Speaker 2: Enemy returned to the Chiefs this year's offensive coordinator, while

previously serving as the teams offensive coordinator from twenty eighteen

to twenty twenty two after spending time with the Washington Commanders,

and the family does maintain a home in Northern Virginia.

Speaker 1: Horrific situation. I remember him Eric the Enemy when he

played college football.

Speaker 3: Yeah, great, we do. He played for it, you know.

Speaker 1: I want to say it was Notre Dame or Michigan.

Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly which team it was, but I

remember he was very good.

Speaker 3: You know, domestic violent situations are always horrible, and it's

in cases like this though, where you know it's your

own child that has done this to you. And I

don't care that he's an adult. That mama, you can't

tell me, wasn't heartbroken. You know that her own child

would do this to her. And I'm so thankful that

she is alive and that she is doing well, and

again our hearts and thoughts and prayers, and I hope

that she does recover and well from this. I bet

you it's going to come out sooner or later that

there's been some mental health struggles with the song. I

would think, yeah, but it made me think about we

used to have a neighbor a long time ago and

everything turned out to be okay. So I just want

to preface with that. But the police had ended up

coming and surrounding the home, and the sun was acting up,

and something just stuck with me because they were calling

the sun to come out of the house. Obviously, all

the neighbors are looking and I will never forget the adult,

the dad of the neighbor when they were bringing him

out to the police, you know, walk walked to us,

walked us, hands up, hands up. He just the dad

was yelling, oh, please don't hurt him, Please don't hurt him.

But the dad was the one that had had to

call nine one one because of some mental health issues.

But hearing that dad yell please don't hurt him, Oh

please don't hurt him, the struggle there isn't lost on

me that you know. This has gotta be rough for

that family. Yeah, all right, let's go to New Jersey

and a New Jersey man is facing multiple charges after

a two year old boy in his care allegedly overdosed

on cocaine while the family vacationed at the Jersey sh

I know two years old man, come on. Alexander Moles,

thirty nine, was charged with endangering the welfare of a child,

possession of cocaine, possession of drug paraphernalia, and possession of

prescription legend drugs. The incident occurred while Moles was staying

at Did you.

Speaker 1: Say prescription legend drugs?

Speaker 3: Yeah, the when you're looking at like the schedule, like

schedule one, Schedule two, Schedule three, it'll say prescription legend.

Huh at on the top.

Speaker 1: Like legend, Like I don't understand.

Speaker 3: I think it's almost like.

Speaker 1: A legendary drug.

Speaker 3: No, I think it's more like Ledger, Like I can

kind of think of it that way, but I don't know.

I mean, I don't have the official on.

Speaker 1: That, but that I just referred to as that. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: Yeah, so like it's it's officially something that is prescribed

and to be used in a specific way, and obviously

he's not using it that way. But anyway, The incident

occurred while Moles was staying at the airbnb with a

woman and several children. Court documents state that Moles was

responsible for watching the children while the woman took a

shower as the group prepared to check out around eleven am.

When the woman returned, she noticed the toddler appeared sleepy.

Moules later drove the child toward a hospital after the

boy experienced difficulty breathing. While en route, He called the

woman and asked if it was okay for the child

to fall asleep. She told him it was not. En

dialed nine point one North Wallwood Fire Department responders located

moles vehicle stopped at an intersection EMS administered two doses

of narcan. The child responded and was transported to Cooper

University Hospital Cape Regional for further treatment. Preliminary blood tests

confirmed the presence of cocaine in the boys' system. Moles

later told investigators he believed the child had taken painkillers.

At the hospital, he requested a lawyer after being read

as Miranda rights. A subsequent search of the Airbnb authorized

by a judge, turned up a partial orange and white pill,

several tinfoil packets labeled a narcotic pain medication, a clear

plastic bag containing a white pottery substance, and several short

plastic straws. Moles was arrested and held at the County

Crewctional Facility. He was released with conditions following a detention

hearing on July twenty fourth. He's represented by attorney John Zirich.

I believe you would say that is The investigation remains ongoing.

Authorities have not publicly disclosed the exact relationship between Moles

and the women and the children. The toddler survived the incident.

But this one's weird. Why would the child be sleepy

after cocaine? I don't know.

Speaker 2: Maybe when you overdose on it, it has an opposite effect.

I would imagine, I mean, two year old a miracle.

This kid survived this baby. Yeah, I'm two years old.

So man, just never seems to amaze me. People that

are around drugs like that, even drugs that aren't cocaine, right, Like,

if you take medicine for something, get.

Speaker 1: It out of the reach of your kids.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that they were worried about it.

Speaker 2: But in this situation. Yeah, with cocaine, I mean that's

an illegal drug. But even your ones that aren't, even

you're every day drugs, man, don't even leave tilin' all

where a kid can get to it, right. Tragic, crazy

that this this kid was.

Speaker 3: So I was looking at this because I'm thinking about

someone that's high on cocaine, you know, and they're usually

it's an upper you know, they're usually rolling. But it

says that what happens when that heart rate skyrockets, the

blood pressure explodes, the brain becomes over you know, over stimulated,

and with the the body temperture can shoot up over

one hundred and four degrees or sweating, tremors, nause of, vomiting,

dilated pupils. You know all of that, so you know,

so when you ever day so on, it makes you yeah,

you go in respiratory distress is what's going to happen.

And so it's labored breathing and they're not getting enough oxygen.

Speaker 1: That's the second time I've been right.

Speaker 3: You've been so good twice today, guys, please put that

on the official.

Speaker 1: Jimmy might be the only two times.

Speaker 3: Jimmothy got it right. Oh, it looks like look at

his picture with that fireman mustache.

Speaker 1: They see it if they're watching on Patreon. All right,

let's go to uh courtroom chronic. We haven't done one

of those in a while.

Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell you about a you know, this

is Keyboard Warriors gone wild.

Speaker 1: Right here.

Speaker 2: A married couple who ran an e commerce blog saw

a huge payout after they were cyber stalked and harassed

by former eBay employees. Ana and David Steiner received get

ready for this forty eight point seven million dollars in

compensation after settling a lawsuit filed against eBay. The Steiners

said the lawsuit comes after they filed this lawsuit in

response to the company's widely publicized twenty nineteen cyber stalking

campaign designed to stop their reporting. So this couple founded

a blog and it was called e Commerce Bytes, and

it published a newsletter that eBay employees will they considered

it critical of the company. Well, you know what you

can do that you can be critical of eBay if

you want to. Well, the US Attorney's off for the

District of Massachusetts said that this basically created like a

shit storm in these people's life. The campaign including sending

anonymous and disturbing deliveries to the victim's home the people

who own this blog, including a book on surviving the

death of a spouse, a bloody pig mask, a fetal pig,

and a funeral leaf and a funeral wreath.

Speaker 1: And they also sent them live insects. All this coming

to your house. Can you imagine.

Speaker 2: The campaign then turned to online harassment when the Steiners

began receiving social media messages criticizing the newsletter's content and

threatening to visit the victims at home. The victims were

then surveilled at their home and in their community, but

recognized the surveillance and reported to police. Ultimately, seven employees

connected to EBA's security team were charged in connection with

the case, all who pleaded guilty to various charges. Five

of the defendants were given prison sentences. CNBC and CBS

reported that former eb EBA CEO Devin Wenig texted another

executive quote take her down, in an apparent reference to Aina.

We Nig was not charged with the crime, but eBay

as a company was and entered into what's done as

a deferred prosecution agreement, compelling it to pay a three

million dollar penalty, and as part of the settlement with

the Steiners, eBay will pay the couple forty six point

one five million dollars from the company itself, while we

Nig will have to individually pay them two million dollars.

Two other former executives also owe them a total of

five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And that's what you

call you messed with the bull and got the horns.

Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I'm there.

Speaker 1: That is life change of money right there.

Speaker 3: So and now they're discagreeing buck more money to do

better and to do even more I mean online.

Speaker 1: Yeah, good for them, Yeah, you know, good for them.

Speaker 3: I am so unimpressed right now to find out that

that's eBay doing that. Like, you know, when a lion

shouldn't acknowledge when a dog barks. Okay, ebe is huge

and I'm not calling this couple of dogs by any

chance of the you know, but obviously whatever they were

reporting on was striking a nerve which tells me people

only get mad about things that they feel that there

is some truth to That's a fact, right, even if

there's partial truth to it. I learned that, you know,

a long time ago, about myself, Like, why are you

getting mad about? It's because deep down there's a part

of you that feels like what they said may have

some legitimacy to it. And so you know, to send

things that are blanket or not blanket, covert statements that

you're gonna die. Give me a break, man, you're eBay,

you know your eBay?

Speaker 1: I you ever the CEO of the company sending take

them down?

Speaker 3: And what you think that you think that that a

pig of pig fetus is taking them down? What a

douche move? Yeah, So please, I guess he's not gonna

come after me and send me stuff. Send me a

live pig and I will love it and name it Rosa.

Speaker 1: If I can get fifty million, you can send me

a lot big blood on it. Whatever you want. Hell, yeah,

you tell me you get Look, I'm gonna come after you.

Speaker 3: I'm gonna knock on your door.

Speaker 1: And they were probably writing things like eBay's fees are

too high, you know, some people call it sebay. Yeah.

Speaker 3: Well, and I looked up while you were talking.

Speaker 2: Of that nature and you're gonna try to scare people. Bruh, Yeah, eBay,

you're gonna try to scare people. Right, I'm mnst send

you a book of how to deal with the spouse's

death That ain't funny. Pissed me off.

Speaker 3: Yeah, And I looked up a couple of their articles

just now while you were you were doing the story,

and some of them are like, you know, people are

making real money selling on Facebook marketplace. It's a good

side hustle. Like, it's not like they're out being just

like a negative website. They were just talking about issues

that people are experiencing. So yeah, good for them, Yeah,

good for them. All right, we are going to go

to Cape Coral, Florida, and this is going to be

another story kind of like what we talked about identifying

human remains, but human remains that were discovered by kayakers

in Cape Coral, Florida, in a canal have been identified

as those of a young woman who vanished more than

four decades ago. The Cape Coral Police Department announced Friday,

July twenty fourth that the remains belonged to rose Marie Gayheart,

who was twenty three years old when she was reported

missing by her parents in nineteen eighty five. At the

time of her disappearance, Gayheart was living and working in

the Cape Coral and North Fort Myers area. Kayakers found

the remains in a canal in northeast Cape Coral in

May of twenty four, and in May of twenty six,

the department's Violent Crimes Unit received confirmation of the identification

with the assistance of the Medical Examiner's office. For more

than forty years, rose Marie Gayheart's family has carried the

weight of not knowing what happened to her. Cape Coral

Police Chief Anthony Sizemore said in a statement, while this

identification brings long awaited answers, it also strengthens our resolve.

No matter how much time passes, even after four decades,

our investigations do not stop and our pursuit of justice

does not end. Authorities have reopened the case as an

active homicide investigation, and he said that we are committed

to following every lead. Gayheart was last seen working at

a Cape Coral restaurant then known as Big Howie's Hot Dogs,

and she was living in a trailer park in North

Fort Myers with her boyfriend and his mother at the

time that she disappeared. Her sister, identified in earlier interviews

as Travis, told the outlet in twenty seventeen that neighbors

reported frequent fighting at the trailer park and that she

believed her sister had been murdered. Travis also said her

sister's boyfriend's mother had written a letter to the family

claiming Gayheart was being sent back to New York by bus,

but Gayheart never arrived. The boyfriend's mother has since died,

and the investigation remains active.

Speaker 1: You know, when you sit back and thank I, thank

you so thankful for that.

Speaker 2: But when you set and you think about the biggest

sign tip discovery in the history of the world, probably

DNA is it? Honestly the things that have been able

to be accomplished in DNA are vast, but especially in

when it's crime related.

Speaker 1: You know, back in the day.

Speaker 2: They had to identify you from dental records if you

had them. That's the only way. That's the only way

they knew who this person was. Dental records once that body.

Speaker 1: Had decomposed and it was nothing but bones.

Speaker 2: Now, not only can you because even dental records weren't

a one hundred percent certainty. Now with the DNA, and

it's advanced to where there's touch DNA for me.

Speaker 1: In DNA, I mean, at one.

Speaker 2: Point you had to have the blood of the person

and compare it to the blood of the person.

Speaker 1: That's the only way you could do it. Now you can.

Speaker 2: You can go brothers, sisters, cousins and make a match

like this, miraculous gift to the world. Yep.

Speaker 3: And I would have to agree that there's something stick

and here. Why would you write a letter saying you

sent her back to New York by bus and then

she ends up in a canal not far from where

you live?

Speaker 1: No, yeah, oh yeah, something fishy going on there for.

Speaker 3: Sure, super fishy.

Speaker 2: All right, that's all we got for today. kJ Any

final thoughts.

Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all need to check out Jim's exposed because he

is covering Nolan Wells. You've been following that case, yeah,

pretty strongly. And then I'm following the Clancy case of

the children that were killed by their own mother. I

have not released anything on that. I'm just letting y'all

know that I'm on top of it. I know people

have asked, and so y'all can look forward to something

for me on that.

Speaker 1: There you go.

Speaker 2: It's a current, current crime related podcast coming out from

Exposed and Unspeakable for you to listen to. And my

final thought would be, we're only like four weeks from

kickoff LSU. Love me during LSU season. If they're winning,

that's right, I tell you.

Speaker 3: If they're not, he's in a bad mows.

Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna be in a great mate. If they're

winning the oh my gosh.

Speaker 3: We're gonna be like, hey, guys, there was no crime.

It's a great life's peace.

Speaker 2: All we're gonna talk about is LSU the whole time,

just kidding facts, all right, until next time. I'm Jim

Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings and we're your host of

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