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Speaker 1: On today's Way Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast, we jump back
fifteen years to the twenty eleven episode of our live
call in show. James Caldon and Pat McNeil talked with
callers about a thousand and one different possible directions ww
WE could go with through aout the following week, How
Doughabie could answer the big question of what they do
at SummerSlam to top money of the banks. John Cena
cm punk match, possible pay per view matches or triple
higainst Punk Edge's possible reinvolvement in Christian storyline Goldber coming
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dove into the McNeil mailbag for a look at the
history of tournaments in pro wrestling. So let's get to it.
This originally livestream down July twenty, twenty eleven. It's Today's
way Keller Prosing Podcast fifteen years ago. Flashback for Friday,
August seventh, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: You're listening, dude, p by tors live gast does this
pea by Torch has just been Editor James Budwell hosting
today on Wednesday, July twentieth, twenty eleventh, day by of course,
on Wednesday's Torch Calmas, Patty Neil, Pat How are you today?
Speaker 4: I'm doing fine, James, Hello you people.
Speaker 3: Hello, indeed and Pat Do you know the significance of
today's show?
Speaker 4: I'm guessing I don't.
Speaker 3: Okay. It is the first Pat me Neil live cast
of the post McMahon era. Now that is significant.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, yes, yeah, that's technically Privilelake is part
of the McMahon family.
Speaker 3: So so the the first helms the first Helmsley era
live cast of Patty.
Speaker 4: That might that might be well, we've already well that's true,
but there already was a Helmsley era. They did the
same storyline would have back in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's true as well. So I guess my whole
intro is just messed up. Thanks, Pat, appreciate it now.
Speaker 4: I'm an I can help.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of people on hold and not
too much not too busy of a news day today,
a lot of still just fought out from raw money
the bank to talk about. Uh. Pat, you did the
roundtable for towards VAP members with Dade Keller and Bruce
Mitchell on Sunday talking about pay per view. We haven't
heard you talk about raw though, and the big storyline
twist you alluded to, you know, which would be the
command is out and Trump h is in. What's your
take on that storyline development? Is that maybe where you
expected them to go? Is that a suitable direction? Do
you need to see more? What's your evaluation right now?
Speaker 4: That's not really what I expected them to go. That's
definitely after Sunday night. I mean, it's it seems like
every year around this sum you know, every year summertime,
vincac Man gets bored and writes himself out of you know,
and he either gets you know, he has scaffolding fall
on him, or he gets his lima blown up, or
you know, something ridiculous like that. So you'll excuse me
if I you know, you'll excuse me if I don't
think this is a permanent arrangement. I know that Vinci
Man is sixty five, and you know there's something to
the the you know, he's trying to teach Cripolates the
business so that he can one day take over. And yeah,
and Vincy Man, from from what we've heard, is not
as uh, he's not as single minded as he used
to be. He doesn't have the energy he used to
and and you know it's because he's sixty five, and
you know, people just aren't built to go forever. And
lord knows vincc Man was trying to do.
Speaker 3: That, right right different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then, yeah, Vince's vack. This will be back on
television eventually. But you know, I mean, I mean, I
understand this, this might be more significant because of Vince's
age that I don't think this is really a the
see change in w W A, And I was disappointed
that you know that they the focus of the film
was on this instead of, Hey, what's going on with
that WW Championship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've had a couple I guess one
and a half days. The thing about that, and I
just I didn't like the idea of going right to
a tournament and them not a now acknowledging the elf
in the room, which is that this is not the
legitimate title. I mean, they spent the entire TV time,
they spent about three two or two or three weeks,
you know, probably the last week they're really hitting home
on this. The importance of the title, the important and
the entire match on Sunday between Punk and Sina was
about the title. That was of utmost importance. The entire
match and build up was the title. And then they
move on and just out well, I guess, well the tournament,
you know, it just and then it seemed like the
matches were sort of I mean not that they weren't
thrown together, but the vibe I got was this isn't
for the real title. This is sort of a we
don't we don't know what to do with two hours
of TV right after the pay per views, so we're
just kind of come up with something that still the show.
It was, it was missing the the acknowledgment of what
the situation was. Uh, but Pat, what was your take
on the on the title? And I mean right now,
right now? The advertising for for the tournament, I'm sorry,
the advertising for next week's raw is miss ray the
finals of this make believe tournament? Does that happen? Do
they know? Avoided? Because mcmon is that? What's what do
you think? How do you think it will play out
next week?
Speaker 4: I would think that after you know, after following through
with this for for an entire two hour episode of
rob people would would get a little annoyed if they
if they just scraped the match.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: My actual expectation of what's gonna happen is we get
Raised Mysterio versus the Miz, you know, get a nice
lengthy match Rarey Maisterio wins and then Alberto dol Rio
comes out cash is an end, cashes the money in
the bank and and and beat up ray Masterio and
win the title. That that's my guess is to what
happens from here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I said happening. You know, I think that's
a reasonable scenario. I think that I can see that happening.
I mean, and an asport of this, Pat is does
see them Pulk? Do you think Pat does CM punk
kind of stay out of TV off TV for the
entire rest of the year for a couple of months.
For I mean, where do they go to SummerSlam and
have a match that is equal or in their case,
hopefully better than punk scene in terms of build up anticipation. Well,
what can they do for Summer Slam if they have
punk and if they don't have Punk?
Speaker 4: See you know, if if they had Punk, what you
know what what I would have wanted to do would
be to do CM Punk versus John seen around two,
which you know, even though Los Angeles is a decent
wrestling town, it's not going to have the same flavor
that it did in Chicago. It would probably be more
fifty to fifty with Sena fans than Punk fans, and
and and that would be okay if they you know,
they if they had set this up, I don't know,
we're having another another ww title comes into picture, or
maybe or maybe you do Sina versus Punk versus Alberta
del Rio, although you know, three lane match is not
the best way of sorting this out. But uh, I mean,
the you know, the title is the title because it's
sanctioned by w w A. So what Punk has know
in WV storyline is not the title. He just has
the velpity one, right. I know that doesn't make a
lot of I don't. I know that doesn't make sense
to a lot of people. I mean you also have to,
you know, if if Punk is not going to be
there then and if Funk is really going to be
off TV for months, and then what they did Sunday
was stupid and they shouldn't have done it. Yeah, but
if that's the case, you do you do del Rio
versus Sino, or you do del Rio versus scena versus
the stereo or or something along those lines.
Speaker 3: Right, because you rematch, you know, I mean, like you said,
it is sort of concluded, because rematch for the the
general title of ving champion or of the actual belt
that Plunk has. And you get into that mess and
you said to get in a the rio, and I mean,
did they bring Plunk in and do you have Punk,
Durio and Cina for the right you know, who's a
real champion and have a three way ladder match or
something like that.
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Speaker 4: Or the other thing you could do is is and
I know, you know, people won't be crazy about this
if you do CNN del Rio and then you have
a CM Punk go after criple.
Speaker 3: Eh, That's what I was thinking. Yeah, that was the
one where I'd say that would make the most sense.
If they're trying to equal or top Sinu Punk and
Money the bank would be triple h sets of the
match with with Punk to get the title back. And
I don't know necessarily it should be a title match
per se, but to reclaim possession of the ballot in
which you would give it to the Sina del Rio winner,
you know, that would that might be a way to
do it. And then if Punk, you know, we're to
win an access storyline then and then I don't know
what you did from there, but I mean it seems
like just a three way or del Rio involved in
a title match at this point. It's just not strong
enough to to go for money to make the Summer
Slam and have Suffer Slams feel better or you know,
seem like a bigger event than money to make. And
I mean would imagine, like you said that, it wouldn't
make sense to have Punk win that match on Sunday
unless he is going to be part of Summer Slam
in some capacity. And yeah, I like to I like
the I like the combination of Hunter, Punk and Seina
dol Rio. That's probably the best way to go. But
I don't know if that's where they're going. What do
you think?
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know either. Or they could have just
or they could have Punk just you know, just walk
in through the crowd while well, you know, right as
right as they're about to start Mysterio and and Mive
and just sit down then see hey everybody, you know,
just I mean skirted that way. There are there are
a few ways they could go with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's wrong.
Speaker 6: I think, but I.
Speaker 4: Think that, you know, I mean, what would Vincentpan do
in real life if he would did something that stupid, Well,
he's probably have an immediate tournament and try to you know,
and try to do what they did, which is, you know,
to get them Punk's name off of television. So there's
there's you know, there's something to that. But if you
wanted to, if you wanted to do a tournament and
you wanted to make money off of it, you would
just schedule the tournament for summer flame and do the
whole thing.
Speaker 3: There, right, Yeah, and crowd I think.
Speaker 4: They I think I think they realized that that wasn't
a good idea when they saw who they'd have to
put in the tournament though.
Speaker 3: And that's that's a bigger pictures thing that you touched on.
You just touched on. There is the depth. I mean,
you look at who they had on that match, and
you have Jack Swagger, who's done nothing. You've got, you know,
I was trying to mis about the same level. You know,
Raymond Sterio, who's sort of up and down, Archereuth, who
feels like last month's news. It means off Ziggler, you're
US champion, who isn't like a big deal. I thought,
think there's an opportunity on Moneys roll a Ziggler to
make him. You know, Roy stressed that he right now
is the only top male champion in the raw brand.
I think they really dropped the ball with Diggler with
with an opportunity there, and it just it shows a
lack of depth in the roster. When you when you
remove John Cena from an eight man w title tournament,
you know, it shows how little depth there is in
this roster. So I don't know. Next next week's all
is going to be interesting. I mean, and Wade and
Jason talking about this last night's live cast, is do
they go with wholesale changes the next week's Raw? Do they,
you know, to make it seem like there's something major
different with Mann out in Triple ah in Do they
just go with the same show and have Triple HS
be the authority figure and everything else feels the same, Pat,
what do you expect for changes or uh, perhaps a
different direction for the show or is that just sort of,
you know, not going to happen. It's gonna be the
same show, just a different authority figure next week?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what to expect, because you know,
they're making this up as they go along. I mean,
I'm you know, originally they had a different finish for
Sunday for Sundays Pay for You than what they ended
up with, which means that they what they did on
Raw was was obviously different than what they originally envisioned.
And you just keep going so on and so on
and so on. I mean, if they're if they're committing
to the Triple H direction, I would think they'd want
to make they'd want to make changes. I don't think
that they'll have wholesale changes ready for next week, but
if they want to phase them in over the next
few weeks, that would be great. I'd have no problem
with it. You know, what this company, what what WWE
sort of needs is is an aggressive I mean not
not a not a reboot, but something like they did
when they started the Attitude era. They you know, you
got to remember after Brett Hart left, and even a
little bit before Brett Hart left, they picked a few
guys that they you know, that they wanted to push.
They they picked the Rock, They they picked Kine, they
picked they picked the New Age Outlaws and you know,
and Triple H and Ken Shamrock. And they had those
guys win and win and win every week that they had.
They had the New Age Outlaws get the crap out
of the Road Warriors several times until people got the
point that they were the best tag team. They had
the Rock go through everybody. They had Caine beat up
Nick Foley and then beat up Nick Foley in a
different costume, and and beat up the Undertaker and set
his casking on fire until people figured out that Kan
was supposed to being made of enter. They need to
pick their three or four or five guys that they
want to do this with, and they need to push
them every week, and they have them win every week
and have them look strong every week until everybody gets
the point that these are the guys. Yeah, that's exactly
what I'm saying. It's not well, it's not working. You
look at the raw ratings, the raw ratings for this week,
we're three point two, which would which was up, but
that's still you know that that's still lower than as
you pointed out, that's lower than they were a year ago,
you know, for the same episode, and it's lower than
and it's lower than it was two years ago, and
it's lower than was three and you go, you go
all the way back to the past decade and it
just keep is trapping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what doing is not working? Yep, totally agree
with Pat. Totally agree. And it's it would be interesting,
like you mentioned, will these changes be rolled out? You
know over time we will be wholestal changes. I mean,
I don't know, and but I think when you hit
on Pat is the exact thing, which is that they
need to make some stars and go all the way
you know, it's the TNA thing where they go halfway
for a month and then oh okay, on the next guy,
and then that person drops off, and then you do
the exact same pattern, and nobody ever gets established says
this is our top star or this is a top star.
It's always it's the same repetitive cycle. And W has
a benefit of having John Cena and you know acts,
you know, Raymond Ceio a little bit below that and
Randy ort On SmackDown, he's not doing great, but he's okay.
But they had they had the benefit of John Cena,
who is the premier star associate the brand, and that's
something TEENA does not have. But yeah, I mean, Patty,
that's the that's the issue for both companies, especially in W.
Let's go ahead and let's shop to phone calls and
get some viewpoints on the topics were covered, and also
of course, uh, some other stuff going on in the
news with TNA. I have another impact on Thursday just
seems like it's another show. I couldn't even tell you
the lineup even the name. Now it's about five matches
of the next week's show. But it just seems like
TNA is just I don't know, uh, not buzzworthy right now,
but we'll take calls in TNA W as well, especially
with all off from Money in the Bank and raw
and I want to hear some perspectives from callers on that.
And let's go ahead and jump to our first phone
call and go to the three to one three area code.
Welcome to the show. Please say to your name and
where you're from.
Speaker 6: Hey guys, this is one from the truer.
Speaker 3: Hey, Wayne, what's unding mind tonight?
Speaker 6: Well, I just wanted to talk about about we're on
the Convinced Movement angle. It to me, it's just reaped
of lazy booking. And I say that because I mean,
look at it, like you said, already, in the tournament,
you had no sena. Not only in the tournament you
had no sena, but you had Alberto del Rio who
had just won on him the bank and now he's,
you know, competing for the world title. Yeah, you know,
it just seemed to me like this was something they
came with the night before or maye night of that day,
because look, Vince McMahon, for the most part of the year,
actually not until the Punk Angle, he wasn't even a
presence on Raw or SmackDown. We were led to believe
that the Raw GM was calling the shots for Raw
and Teddy Long was calling the shots for SmackDown. So me,
as a fan, why should I care if Vince McMahon
isn't going to be on television anymore or not a
character anymore, because you know, he wasn't even putting his
presence on the show anyway. So to me, it just
seems like they he did that to get out of
having the fire scene. And it was really clare to
me that, you know, they would rather fire Vince McMahon
than John Sema, and that left a bad taste in
my mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ty here, Jake, Oh.
Speaker 4: That doesn't didn't live a bad taste in my mouth,
because of course they would rather fire Vincent mannon tire
John Fanna, I mean John John Cenna is their guy,
the guy who sells the television shirt. Yeah, guy who
sells the t shirts, the guy who people show up
at the arena the boo and make fun of or
or if you're a little kid, to cheer, I mean, yeah,
and Vincent. You know, Viscmanthon's not gonna have another match.
Vincecacman's not gonna headline SummerSlam, so of course, I mean,
you know, I think that maybe they recognize that with
a mistake to say they we're going to fire Astina
the moment they did it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that situation that they added in there,
I think that was short sighted and maybe they thought
they had you know, it was the second the double
of a double taping, and if if they had that
live element for that second episode, I think they would
have sat back, seen how much juice there was behind
the punk seeing a program and they're not had it
not thought they need to go there. But because it
was done that the day of that first taping, maybe
in their mind and so what we've got to add
some more juice to this, and and they kind of
overkilled a little bit and then they had to back
out of it and try to find a way out.
To me, I mean, it's standard McMahon. I mean Patty
you mentioned at the beginning, you know, he either gets
bored or he gets concerned with business or that there's
always a post WrestleMania lull, and inevitably, almost every single
year McMahon reinterjects himself into TV. You know, you all
went through the last five or six, seven, eight, years,
and there's always a case of McMahon becoming part of
TV again after WrestleMania, and we thought perhaps that would
have happened this year, but you go in the ratings,
the ratings have dropped off stronger this year than in
past years. You know. It's kind of we talk about
path the idea eroding water level. It's also I think
not having the Rock, you have the bigger return for
the Rock, and he's not there anymore, and he's coming back,
you know, and now six or seven months from now,
and so there's a there's a sense of nothing that
happens now that is as important and you're bringing you know,
mc man in his mind, so is I gotta come
back and make it seem important again? And so I
think that's where we are. And I think that Pat,
I mean, I don't know that the May will become
a regular weekly character, but I really see him becoming
sort of that Chris Jericho character who gets fired and
then tries to find his way back on the show.
You know, he's he's outside the building and security tells
him he can't come back in. He you know, I
don't know, I mean, I don't know how far they
would extend this or how much they want to make
it part of the show. But I really see that
being a part of the show either semi regularly, maybe
not every week, but I think there will be an
element of him trying to get back into WW.
Speaker 4: What do you think that, Oh God, I hope that. Yeah.
I think they should put that off for for a while,
at least till after SummerSlam. And maybe it's nickmahon wants
to get you know, if they want to, if they
want to follow up and that's whore line, then they can.
But you know, I don't think that they saw this
as we're firing Vincick maam. I think they saw this
as well, we're bringing Triple back on the television yea,
because you know, whenever they want to bring back Vinctic maam,
they'll bring back minstic Man and they won't worry about
any of the logic involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like being blown up, having the stuff crash on him,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. He's he's died a
thousand deaths and he's still here as a character.
Speaker 6: Stuff.
Speaker 3: Wait fall from you another question in Connor.
Speaker 6: Yes, actually I did have a follow up and and
I'm not sended they had any intention on doing this
or if they even felt that way, but a lot
of people have been liking seeing Punk to Steve Austin,
you know, when he when he finally broke through after
King the Ring. You know, I think they missed the
they're they're missing the golden opportunity to have see him
Punk come back whenever he was going to come back,
and this man could have been the person that he
was rivaling, you know, uh whoever won this tournament or
be it del Rio won the title, or however it goes.
You know, you could have had a program where it
was you know, Vince McMahon's champion against seeing Punk and
seeing Punk you know, reading havoc on on McMahon or whatever.
So that's again, that's why to me, it just feels like,
you know, this angle came out of nowhere because they
begged themselves into a corner and they didn't logically take
about you know, pros versus the times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree with you on that way,
in the respect that I thought they might go to
the direction of McMahon having his.
Speaker 6: Champion and then and then.
Speaker 3: Punk being you know, the the rightful title holder and
then you set up something there. Pat, are you surprised
they went away from that? I mean, obviously they could
do some twist and bring it back to that, or
have Triple HP you don't have. Let's say let's say that,
like I said, Pat, let's say that either misser Ray
wins and del Rio Cash is in and Triple H
declayers and that's his champion. You could do that Triple
H has had this champion, and then Punk's a rightful champion.
You do something there? Is that a possibility or or Pat?
Do you think the better option would have been keeping
Man there have his own champion and then had that
champion a few with Punk when he whenever he comes back.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm I'm fine with having Triple A to do it,
you know, I mean, I mean it's the same that
they don't have a long term plan, and you know, frankly,
I can't see them putting all those threads back together
by the time Summer Flame rolls around, So you know,
so they should have a long they should have a
longer term plan than that. This should go past Summer Flame.
Speaker 3: You would hope. So, I mean, they've got to bridge
that gap. To WrestleMania. I mean, Rock's gonna be a
survivor series. You got to bridge the gap from Summer
stem the Survivors series and get that back on seeing
Under the Rock. How do they do that? I don't know,
And like I said, that's why it's frustrating kind of
trying to analyze where this is going, because you have
I mean, we had no idea because the man could
change his mind, and you know they could. I mean,
you could have something that happened next week on Raw
where a man comes on the show says he spoke
to the boy directors, he was reinstated, Triple Wig is out,
and then we're back to where we just work, you know,
and they wasted entire week. I mean that logically it
wouldn't be logical, but that it happened. It's just it's
like I said, it's sort of it's so weak to
week and you give a sense that they don't quite
have a full direction where they're going, and there is
a clear Summers plan main event right now, there's a
lot of different possibilities and unless Punk is involved, I
don't know that they have a strong enough match with
the current players to match or exceed money in the bank,
and that's you know, when they're banking on summer sending
to the number two most boy pay per view of
the year, that's a bit of a concern. So I
don't know. We'll see how that plays out next week.
I'm wrong, but there's a lot of different ways they
can go. Wayne takes you to the call. Appreciate it.
Let's go to our next caller from the four four
to three area code. Welcome to the show. I please
say your name and where you're from.
Speaker 8: Kevin from Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Hey, Kevin will tell you about today.
Speaker 9: Hey.
Speaker 8: Two questions one person. One is I read on I
think it was something at ww dot com was on
the website they would Edge and they interviewed them and
they asked them what they thought of Christian's He'll Turn
and he said he was behind him one hundred percent
and he supported him. And my question is you guys,
what do you think? Do you see that there's a
chance that Kristin and Edge could come back as a group,
not wrestling, but Edge could be somewhat of like a
manager like a Rictua was a triple a ish where
he was some type of like in his corner at
all times and they work together that way. If they
wanted to incorporate Edge and it's kind of elevate Christen
as a tandem where they would be a little bit
more entertaining and they could have more of confidence from
Christian's act with Edge associated with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good question, they could do that.
Speaker 4: I just think it's a bad idea. And the reason
I think it's a bad idea is because Edge is
hurt to the point where taking another bump could you know,
could cause serious damage to them. And I mean you've
seen them before, you know, if he's been around long enough.
You just can't have a manager who doesn't bump and
who can't take a bump because you know, you can't
get any I mean, you can't have the baby faces
hit him. I mean he just inter I mean he'll
just be interfering without consequence. You can't have a babyface
manager who doesn't bump because you can't get any any
heat on him either. It'll just be too risky for
Edge to be out there on the roundtable. We talked about,
you know the possibility of maybe Edge gets to be
the special referee when they do Randy Orton and Chrishan
again and I maybe he could pull that off. But yeah,
I don't see Edge coming back as a manager or
or coming back full time in any real capacity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see you. Only I can see that,
Pat is if it's a one time thing. And you know,
either I think Edge will be involved in SummerSlam and
either as Spectal re free or it could it could
be a one time management deal and then you know,
you could have Edge, you know, claiming to be as
Christian's manager. Then it's turns and helps support and win
and they get they get set some sort of angle
where that makes sense on TV these next three or
four weeks. But yeah, I don't see him full time managing.
Even the travel uh they mentioned that in the dot
com interview. Even when he travels, you know, he's doing
some movie roles and uh, doing some appearances and that
sort of thing. It hurts, you know, the pain's still
there from what what caused him retires. So I don't
see him. I don't just logistically, I don't see him
in full time managing. And for the reasons you said
that wouldn't worked out either. But I definitely see something
of the Summer Slam, maybe one time management thing or
special referee. I think that makes more sense. But I mean, pat,
does everyone want to do orton Christian part four or
it gets five? I become the TV match. I mean,
is there is there enough on this where that that's
a good direction for smacking the gover? Is that pretty
much their only way? So, I mean they had to
blow this thing off, and I guess if you're going
to Summer Sam would make sense. I mean that is
that enough of an intriguing match too? I mean SmackDown.
I mean you'll get smack Down. It doesn't always sell
pay per views, but it kind of helps become part
of the package of the pay per view. It's not
as strong enough match path you think to be SmackDown's
premier match for the four straight pay per view.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I I from what I've heard, that's
the direction they're going as of right now. You know,
it's I mean it's criacky because they don't have they
don't have a lot of big names on SmackDown, and uh,
you know, I mean you don't want to start something
at Summer you know, you don't want to launch a
new field at SummerSlam because you know, because They're not
going to just do a one month sield on anything
on SmackDown. They're gonna drag SmackDown out as long as possible.
So yeah, they're gonna need some sort of a hook
or something would would be a big enough hook, and
maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think you're right about day. Yeah. It obviously depends on
how they reincorporate in. If it's just sort of a hey,
it's gonna be there, then I don't know if it's
trying to look but if it's really presented as making
this match special to nothing, that can help. So I
guess we'll see all that if if it has expected
use incorporated how that plays out.
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Speaker 3: Kevin and Jeff fall from the question of coming.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had another question. This one is more about
some of the wrestlers that have been stepping away recently.
I know you got like like over the last couple
of years, Batista, Jeff Pardi and r D. They all
complained about they didn't want to work full time, booker,
t and things like that. So the question is is
Goldberg came in a couple of years ago, he got
like the deal that everybody wants where he going to
work at certain amount of dates, didn't you house shows?
How did he get that deal? And people who kind
of accomplished more in the business and wrestled longer and
play deputies can't get that deal. Is it just the marketability?
I mean he sold tickets or things like that. What
goes into the yeah.
Speaker 3: I believe refer back to the early nineties, Pat say,
early two thousands. I Pat, you want to take that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're on like two thousand and three here.
I think part of it was, you know, they they
thought they thought Goldberg was the last big name that
they hadn't done and they could, I could make some
serious money off of Goldberg. And part of it was,
you know, you might remember that The Rock was a
friend of Goldberg's and if Goldberg came in, the Rock
was going to do a pay per view match with him,
which is which is which they did do. And you know,
they they wanted to they wanted to do that because
they thought they they'd get a lot of money off
of that. But yeah, they you know, after a couple
of months, they just they just they just pretty much
hated the idea of, you know, of having Goldberg around.
And and it was it was obviously, you know, it
was obviously weren't going to make him their their number
one star. They've put the title on him that you know,
he wasn't he wasn't their.
Speaker 3: Long term answer, right, And I mean kind of there's
always that sort of that feeling that you know, w sabotage.
There's also Goldberg was a motivated. How do you weigh
out those two things in the end result, which was
Goldberg was you know, gone with little fan with a
little fan for a restumating you know, twenty in two
thousand and four.
Speaker 4: Yes he was sabotage and no he wasn't motivated and
you know he was, I mean he was never really
I mean you never really had to be motivated. He
came into WSW and pretty much right off the bat,
they they made a big star out of him. So
he didn't he didn't understand why he would have to
work hard or anything and why why should he.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything had been in it to him during his career. Yeah,
I think you expected no less in in WWE. Kevin
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to the show. Please say tr name and where you're.
Speaker 10: From, christin Georgia.
Speaker 3: He trests, what's on your mind?
Speaker 10: Well, actually it's the uh Daniel Briant question, being that
what we know from the tapings from last night, do
you think that his like run actually can be a
a version of what chrispin Wall got. I mean, you
know the showing training getting ready. You know, they can
tell us such a great story with this guy. I mean,
you know, his charisma is really in the ring, although
he does have like some mic skills, so you know,
we can actually amp him up to a certain level
and build. They got nine months to do what they
need to do, give or take. But do you think
they could actually tell that great story with him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And for the listeners who aren't aware what happened
in Smack ten taping District, trist are referring to the angle.
That's when he set up with Daniel Brian and his
money to thank victory.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 3: The pay per view on Sunday. Uh, Pat, I mean
to me, I'm always concerned about Brian win in this match,
that they're gonna do something like somebody takes the briefcase
from him, or uh, someone challenges him to a match
and that's how they get out of it. But I
mean that they've shut the groundwork to make Brian a
feature act for you know, the next six to seven months.
If you want to pan out, well, we'll stay behind him.
Well they kind of falter and then oh that's right.
A month, you know, a month before WrestleMania they decide
to kind of pick it up again. I mean, how
do you shoot this plane out for the next you know,
six seven months?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean they could do it. It's not that
they don't have don't have the skill to do it.
I mean, you know, maybe maybe what needs to happen
if somebody needs to go up to Vince McMann and
says this, Vinc you're never gonna get that Daniel Brian
guy over as a big star, at which point he'll
get pissed off enough that he that he tries to
do it. You know, I mean you would would uh
would eight months of Daniel Brian getting ready for a
big title shot at WrestleMania with that, you know, withou
and then treating Daniel Brian like a star. Would that
I mean, would that work? Yes, it would. I'm not
sure they're going to follow off on anything. They They
seem to have problems remembering what they're doing from from
week to week, and that that would concern me if
I was Daniel Brian. Another another possibility is, you know,
Daniel Brian's got a yeah, I mean an injury. You know,
you saw what happened to mister Kennedy or Ken Anderson.
You get injured at the wrong time. You know you
you've just lost your You just lost the potential WrestleMania
main events. I don't trust w W to let something
like this go for freight than nine months, but I
hope they do. I think Daniel Brian's talented enough and
he's he's enough of the talker that that that this could.
Speaker 3: Work that I want to get a bold prediction from you.
It will be the back down War Heavyweight Champion WrestleMania
who Brian would would be facing, assuming it all it
all holds a form, and that you know Brian is
a challenger, who who give me a both prediction who's
the championing challenges for.
Speaker 4: Randy Orton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not so bold, because that's that's who I
thought too. I imagine, I imagine.
Speaker 4: And maybe and maybe, just maybe Randy Orton will be
a heel by them.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's I think that's a I mean,
based on what they did on Sunday, it was a
little bit of you know, in the postmatch for Christian,
it was a little I mean, I thought they might
be going for double turn, even though Christian obviously heeled
to win that match, but the crowd was more amped
for Orton in the post match they were during the match.
It was a little bit of a different crowd. But
I felt like it was the painting scenes for a
potential heel turn and having to order be more of
a right rather than being more of an edgy baby face.
I thought it was leaning more toward we're gonna turn
him heel again. What do you what do you think that?
Speaker 4: Well, Well, the problem with that is, I mean, you know,
Randy Orton is somewhat edgy, you know, somewhat edgy baby
face and that and that's that's one thing. But what
really gets Randy Orton Over is the babyface is when
he acts like a psychopath, you know, like like Dexter
or a character in a in a in a character
in American Psycho or something like that. So that's that's
that's the thing is they want to you know, I mean,
if they want to get him over as a baby face,
they have to. They have to have him you know,
being you know, being uh, you know, being crazy, being
you know, beating up, beating up people, you know, losing
his comfort all the time. That's that's the sort of
thing that's gonna that's the sort of thing that that
wrestlings him kind of want to see. Yeah, remember how
Over he was a couple of years ago and all
he was doing was beating up McMahon's and he was
supposed to be the big heel and he was, briefly
before they screwed it up, the most popular guy.
Speaker 3: In the company, right because he was able to do
stuff that other characters couldn't do, you know, like you know,
taking her you know, join some of Stephanie just handcuffed
the ring rope. I mean, you know, not every character
can do that, and so it made him stand out,
like you said, Yeah, I mean I thought they're trying
to do what they were trying to go for last year,
which was that or Yeah, last year on Raw has
seen it be the the classic baby face that appeals
to the broader demographic and then have Orton be the
cool baby face who appeals to the male demographicy you know,
the male eighteen forty nine eighteen thirty four demographic, and
have those two different fan bases with a strong, likable
baby face to kind of get behind. And then they
kind of lost their way with Orton and the next
thing fell apart and it all just kind of crashed down.
But I thought they might be trying to go that
direction with Orton on SmackDown now to reinvigorate that brand
because it needs a little bit of life into it.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that will, but but I mean,
and the problem with that is, you know, your your
babyfaces can only be you know, can can only be strong.
Them look good if they have strong people to fight.
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Speaker 3: And that's that's probably the biggest problem on SmackDown is
the lack of depth. I mean it's a big problem
Raw too, but Roy has John Cena, SmackDown has Rainy
Ordon everybody else seemingly, you know, they're trying to Mark Henry.
They're trying to get Mark Henry going, as you know
for the eight hundreds time. I don't know that Mark
u Nivers, Rainey Orton is any match or a few
did anybody wants to see. But if they really keep
going with this March Henry programming could be at least
something for Orton to do after summer. Say I'm a
Christian to maybe lead it into the fall and have
something more intriguing on SmackDown. But maybe Cody Rhodes or
they rebuilt Wade Barrett or heck even Jenner Mahaal they
did something with him. Who knows. But yeah, I mean
there's issues there and they have to sort those things out. Chris,
appreciate your phone call. Calling a pet. Do you have
a fun fun?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just like you know
when when they do the Batman movies. You know they
had Batman going against the Joker and not say egghead,
you know, I mean, I mean, you're the stronger, the
stronger the heel, the better you can be at the videotape, right.
Speaker 3: That's that's right on. Yeah, Chris, thanks for the call.
Let's go to the seven o eight area code. Welcome
to show. We patred any where you're from?
Speaker 12: Boris from Chicago?
Speaker 3: Hey, Boris? What's talking about that?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I think he hit it pretty much on head Randy
Orton and I forgot about the McMahon and versus Orton situation,
which that's what created him. And I think that's why
it's so hard for him to get over right now,
is because he faced off against the top vic man,
you know what I'm saying, and it and it actually
made his character and when they wore him down as
a babyface and not what he is, nobody, nobody believes
in and that the night man in the bank, it
pretty much showed who he was, you know, the person
that everybody liked. But my question is, now we gotta
why am I gonna buy some SummerSlam?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You see what I'm saying. Ye, Why am I
gonna buy Somerslam?
Speaker 12: You got you you know, built this thing up with him?
Speaker 3: Funk.
Speaker 12: Okay, we do that now we got now we got
the big money. How do you get me to buy
a SummerSlam? And with the other thing?
Speaker 3: Okay, big push ya reel.
Speaker 12: Rally, miss Archie.
Speaker 6: How do we do it?
Speaker 8: And keep it going?
Speaker 12: With the Mahal guy v DVR, Cody, Dave Bryant, Andy.
Speaker 3: Big push and keep going?
Speaker 4: How do we do it?
Speaker 6: Tell them my questions?
Speaker 3: Thank you that you want to take that first.
Speaker 4: We we sort of talked about that earlier. You need
to you know, you can't pick twelve guys. You need
to pick you know, your your three or four or
five guys. And and I mean just just keep pushing him,
keep having him win, keep having him look strong, and
and have them and they have you know, you can't
do even Stephen. They've got to keep rolling through people
every week on their way to wherever they're going, and
and and you know, I'd say they're doing a pretty
good job with gender Mahal and that they're I mean,
you know, they're not trotting them out every week, but
when they do, you know, he's he's beating somebody and
he's looking strong doing it, and he doesn't you know,
doesn't really need doesn't really need to cheat. So you
know that they're you know, you know that eventually they're
gonna get him. When they get him up against the
Randy Orton or or the Undertaker or or Ezekiel Jackson,
you know that. I mean, he's he I mean, it's
gonna look like a strong contender.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's what I don't get about when someone
becomes a champion, especially on SmackDown. I think WAYE. Barritt
lost pretty much every match he had when he was
Interconnal champion on TV. I think he retained the Interconno title.
I think twice by DQ or count out. I don't
mean you want a single match on TV when he
was champion, Ezekiel Jackson, that put a belt on him.
He lost his first two TV matches. I mean it's like,
you build somebody up, you make him a strong challenge.
I mean, Ezekiel had won I think ten matches in
a row on TV. I think you put the belt
on and he had n't lose twice. You know, it's
just it's dumb. I just I don't I mean, I
know they want to make him look like a vulnerable champion,
I guess, but I mean it makes a belt don't
seem not credible. You know, if a guy just wins,
he wins the belt and he loses for two matches.
Obviously they're non title, but they weren't for the title.
But I just, you know, I just don't get that.
I mean, it said whole build them up and then
even him out, and build them up and even him out,
and nobody gets over and I just see that dumb
And that's that's that's like smacked down in the Nut
Show for the last five or six years, and that's
that similar tight booking pat I mean, what what what
Summer Slam? I mean, in certain respects that Money's banks
felt like WrestleMania, and certain respects, it didn't feel like
WrestleMania in the sense that I don't know if they
got the broad WrestleMania casual viewer audience to buy that
pay per view. And obviously we'll see when the by
ery comes in. I think they got pretty much anyone
who is interested in seeing punk from that mel demographic
to I don't say anyone, but you know, most people
were interested in that program probably bought that pay per view.
And we've got we've got a lot of response in
our feedback. We all a response it's like, you know,
I haven't ordered a non WrestleMania pay per view in
five years. I got a lot of that feed We
got a lot of that feedback on the Torch. So
I think they drew in that that audience that would
read the Torch, that was, you know, calling the live cast.
The by rate I think will be in will probably
indicate whether they got that casual viewer. But now it's
like you go to Summer Slam.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about this already, but that is a big
question that Morris, you know, mention is how do you
get somebody who ordered money in the bank to order SummerSlam,
or how do you get someone who maybe wasn't that
interested in the program on raw, maybe a casual viewer
who maybe found a little bit disenfranchised, and that's debatable,
But how do you get someone who maybe wasn't all
the way intrigued by that to order Summer Slam? And
I don't know that they have that answer right now
unless it is dam Punk, and I think the only
match they can do with Punk is Triple H John
Cena Part two. I don't know that I will get
anybody to buy SummerSlam McGain. I'm sorry to buy summers
and have some money the bank. So I think Boris
said the big question for the next three or three
weeks the TV is how do you get somebody into
buy Summer Slam? And I don't know they have any
answer right now.
Speaker 4: Well, you're asking two different questions. One is you know,
how do you get people to order Summer Slam? And
I think WWE's real answer would be, well, we've got
three more weeks to do that, which which is you know.
I don't like that answer, and obviously you don't. That's
that's sort of the way they think they're they're not.
You know, they weren't focusing on on that this week.
They were just they were just trying to to start something.
I'm not sure about what they started. But the second
question is the buy rate for money in the bank.
And here's the way the way I figure it. I
figure among the you know, among the let's call them
more serious SAMs, the people who are listening to the
live cast, people subscribe to the torch, you know, that
sort of thing. Yeah, I think among those people, you know,
the buy rate's going to be up because we've just
heard anecdotally from people who you know, were finally interested
enough to buy a pay for you after after you
know a few years of just ignoring the w W
secondary taper views, you know, and then you go into
the casual fans. Did this you know, did this build
up appeal to the casual fans? Well? Maybe not. But
the whole reason the paper you buy rates for down
is because the casual fans haven't been ordering pay per
views for a long time. Sure, so you're not really
losing anything in my opinion on that, in terms of
by rate. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a good point. Yeah, that's a very
good point. Pat as I think I think that maybe
it might be tried a good strategy, which is get
the the the more like I said, the more serious
viewer fan to order an off brand pay per view
and then turn around the next month the SummerSlam, you know,
traditionally bought by the casual audience, not as much as
in recent years that's dropped off along with the eroding
raw ratings, and try to appeal to them with something
that would also draw in that same audience that bought
money in the bank, that that would be more apt
to buy two straight paid for views even though they
are forty five dollars, and trying to get that casual
viewer so interested in the Summer Slam that they try
to sweep in both audiences, and like I said, Pat,
kind of raps get a two for one with that
more serious viewer buying money in the bank, and then
you get the more casual viewer plus that audience to
buy a SummerSlam, and that might be where they go
from the from here, where they execute it, That's says
the thing, and that's what it will make the next
couple of weeks pretty fun, is seeing how they execute
coming out of money in the bank going the Summer Slam.
Speaker 4: You know, I in their opinion, there's probably you know,
some casual fans who are going, you know, who are hearing, Oh,
Triple H came back and I missed the show. I
want to watch the next week and see what you've
went do and that maybe you know and maybe go
that way. Yeah, because I think.
Speaker 3: That there there nindset is that Trip H draws in
casual viewers. And because you know how long has been
on TV, he's part of the X. He's got that,
so that Sean Michael's rub that kind of is part
of him. So yeah, I think you said, I think
trimple as you're turning oh, you know, kind of the
casual viewer's ears per cup, and that must mean it's
a really big deal that he's back. Plus he's coming
off you know, the program if you're with the Undertaker
at WrestleMania, and that's still part of trip Wah as well.
So yeah, I think you're right about that.
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is evolved nine. I think we're up to number nine.
Speaker 3: Now.
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Finley and for the wins lead and evolved the main
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Speaker 3: I'm baffled by that. So it's called spring Break and
they're aired in July.
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Go Fight Live. Seem to think it's a live pay
per view, but I think they're wrong about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm gonna have to tell them that that
was taped a couple of months ago. Anyways, Kat, thanks
for that actually be a live of eent Center and
then makes fun of the pay.
Speaker 11: For view and.
Speaker 4: James the the the free show that we talked about
last week is up there now, so you can cut
that out.
Speaker 3: So the free show is now free, freely available? Is
that without uh out paying? Okay?
Speaker 12: Cool?
Speaker 3: Have you watched it yet? That is it? Is it
worth checking out?
Speaker 6: Or are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. Yeah, I don't think it's probably
not worth the time, but it is free, so it
might be. I don't know. Any event, Let's go to
our next phone call nine seven three area code. Welcome
the show, and please state your name of where you're
calling from nine three.
Speaker 9: You're on there down from New York.
Speaker 3: Hey, John, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Two quick questions? First question, Uh, now that they've put
CM punk, they've elevated them to this god like status.
I definitely think they're gonna They're just not gonna.
Speaker 6: Let that go.
Speaker 3: Can you see a first question?
Speaker 9: Can you see a potential scenario where true Full H
steps up to see them Punk being there's already some
heat in that relationship. They traditionally don't like each other.
And the last promo actually Triple H cut when he
was with CM punk in in a ring or near
a ring. He said, you know, Punk, I agree with
you about to not draking and not doing drug. That's
a good message, anybody said to him, But do you
have to look like you haven't seen a shower in
six months? So do you sl scenario where where Triple
H steps up to see them Punk and says you
want to pick on somebody, pick on me? And they
possibly set up a scenario for WrestleMania match between the
two or even sooner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was thinking for SummerSlam. Pat, do
you think they can stretch it out to WrestleMania as
a potential attraction match.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that they want to stretch it
out to Wrestlemaniam because last I checked, the plan was
to do another Triple H versus Undertaker match at WrestleMania.
Of course that's going to depend on how Undertaker is
feeling and probably some other factors. Yeah, I would I
would accept the poor Wrefflemania, assuming that Criple Hs, you know,
wants to ruffle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see it's either at Summer Slam or except
that it is kind of depending on whether you want
whether Triple H twins the wrestle I can see SummerSlam.
I mean, there's a lot of post quotas.
Speaker 6: It could be.
Speaker 3: It could be Survivor Series in New York to kind
of enhance that along with the Rock, you know, coming
back to confront Sena. It could be the Real Rumble.
It's sort of a nice bonus match to go with
the Rumble. I think it never when they're going to
get to that match. I think that match will happen
where in which pay per view? You know that that's
that's a that's up for debate. We might we might
find out on Monday's Raw because I think if they're
going to do that Summer Slam, obviously they need to
get right to that because they don't have a lot
of time. So that's a possibility. If it is, Summers
will probably find out this Monday. Uh Yeah, trying to
your second question.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and moving look going forward, looking out to WrestleMania.
I mean it's already on fire, but to poor little
Gasoline on it. What is ww's plans for stone Cold
going forward? Is he going to be continued with the
tough enough? Do you see a scenario where Stone Cold
gets a match at WrestleMania? And what is thinking the
significance of Punk wearing that stone Cold shirt the other night?
Do you see a scenario of a Punk stone Cold
match at WrestleMania? One guy being the anti drinking guys,
you know, Punk and then Stone Cold, you know, mister
beer himself. The clash of culture so to speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's that Greg Barks that talked about
in the special Life catch after the pay per view
is if Austin were to have one final match and
if Funck is still as hot as he is, it's
a possibility. But I mean that do you think it
would happen. Is it still everything that with Austin is
off the table because of his injury.
Speaker 4: It's I mean, w W A if Steve wanted to
wrestle a match, they would move heaven and earth to
make it happen. Austin has said he he feels that
at most he has one match less than him, and
you know he's not sure if and when he wants
to do that, and so the real question is, you know,
and I know seam Punk has told anybody that would
that that will listen to, he'd love to wrestle Steve Austin.
And you know he's actually a fan of Steve Austin
the work wise, So I mean, Steve Austin if they
do another season is tough enough. They are planning on
having Steve Austin be the host again, So I mean,
there's not a there's not a problem with that relationship.
It's up to it's up to Austin whether he'd want
to do it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like you said, I mean, Austin's
a fan of Punk, and I think if Punk is
still as hot, I mean, I'm gonna see depends on
where they go from here with Punk, and we're assuming
that Punk is still part of the company, you know,
five months from now when they would start, you know,
ratching up for WrestleMania. So I mean, I think if
Punk is as hot as he is, I think Austin
would view that as yeah, I'll come back and do
that match again. It all depends on It's hell uh,
you know, and that I think that's the biggest issue.
But I really think that if Austin could do that match,
I think he'd be in favor of doing that match
with Punk. Obviously, Punk was very much in a favor
of doing that match with Austin. So it's a possibility.
I mean, there's so many different possibilities right now. A
lot of it I think depends on punk status where
they go at this main angle they just created, and
we'll kind of see how that sorts out over you know,
the next five, six, seven months. So John, thanks for
the call. Let's go to our next caller from the
seven O three area code. Welcome to the show. Please
say your name it where you're from.
Speaker 13: Hey, y'all, it's Larry from Atlanta. A question about Hey, hey,
James and Patt. I have a question about CM Punk
and kind of how to handle him taking the belt away.
I'm kind of surprised that they just went flat out
with a you know, potentially stripping of stripping him of
the title, although they never really officially said that, and
they never crun a new champion, so you know, who
knows where they're going with it per se. But I mean,
do you do you think it's basically going to be
a deal where they try and just crown a new
champion and then have you know, punks still late claim
to the title at this point, or you know, go
ahead and just strip it without waiting for the traditional
thirty day you know, type of stipulation that they've always
done before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Jerry Lawler kind of slipped in something
I don't remember which match was. It was then win
the tournament matches, and he kind of slipped in. And
I don't know if he actually did flip on this,
and he didn't mean to say it, because they never,
like I said, they never really officially said he stripped.
But Lawler said something like something the lines of, you know,
seam fault. He didn't say the names, you know, couldn't
his name, but he says it along along the lines
of the former champion has been stripped or he's no
longer champion. There was something to that effect, but it
was never officially mentioned or drawn attention to. So I
think that's part of the convoluted picture of where they are. Pat,
real quick, you're you're well, Pat, We'll take your fault
on that in in the after show We're gonna last time.
Thanks everyone for listening. Pat, you and I would do
the after show coming up next and tune in again
everyone On Thursday. All right, Todly, we were off the
air on the live stream of Page. Your thoughts on
Larry's call and what they might do with the actual title.
Speaker 4: Well, we're probably actually on the air. Okay, the thirty
day rule. WWE hasn't actually cared about that for a
couple of decades, because you know, the Ultimate Warrior and
Hulk Hogan used used to routinely go more than thirty
days without defending the title. I don't think that's a
factor here. I like the thirty day rule and the
idea of it, and I'd be all, I'm safe for
them bringing it back. I think if Sampunk is going
to be at SummerSlam, he shows up on Raw this Monday,
and because they're, yeah, in some capacity, and if you know,
if they go ahead and crown the champion and do
whatever they're doing and there's no mention of CM Punk
and there's no sign of them Punk, then they're going
to leave it for for a little while. And you know,
and Punk is gonna take his time off because you know,
I and that's just my opinion. I think they're gonna
you know, yeah, I expect that they're gonna. Yeah, I
agree with you.
Speaker 3: If Punk's going to be part of Summer Slam, he's
gotta be on Monday's Raw, and and I really see,
I just I don't see another match they could do
that would equal or be stronger than Seena Pump orrust
as at Money in the Bank without without Punk. You know,
we talked about the Sina del Rio throw somebody else
or just that match straight up talk about you know,
if miss or ray or capture an quote unquote title,
no cash in and then that person faces Sina. I
don't see that. I mean Ray Sina, Miss Sina. I mean,
that's just that's not gonna work to equal or better
Money in the Bank. So I think I think they're
gonna keep Punk for Summer Slam, find a way to
do that match, and then maybe he goes away for
a while, and maybe that's how they get out of
out of Punk winning at at winning to make and
keeping the title with with the rio teas and the
cash in is have Punk drop the title in Summer Slam,
And I don't know that that seems like the logical
way to go if Punk is really leaving the company,
and the other option, you know, pat is I mean,
if they wanted to go the round. I was having
Punk kind of walk around the title and show up
at at independent shows or you know, this is kind
of you know, the far fetched thing. They could do
and film it, you know, and and and do the
grainy anheld film of Punk quote unquote at an independent
show with the title, they go that route, I don't
see it happening. I really I could see where Punk
comes at SummerSlam, he drops the title and they go
from there with the actual new champion. Well, there's so
many different.
Speaker 8: Ways could go, James.
Speaker 4: If they're gonna do that, that sort of indie thing
with with Punk going around with it, they probably could
start it tonight at the at the at the i
C t sail up in Michigana.
Speaker 3: Wrest line the jug Yeah, yeah, I mean that's.
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't get much more endie than that.
Speaker 3: I don't like the idea of I'm going to the US.
I'm not the UFC, it's the uh what what Bobby
Where Bobby Lashley is where his fight's going to be
next buts next Friday.
Speaker 4: Strike Force or whatever there or something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 3: Titan f C. There you go, and having Paul show
up there with the title. I think that's I think
that would be a nice way to extend this program.
And they can't even I mean, I don't know if
I don't know what kind of relationship w W and
Titan could have here, but I mean the name maybe
would be intriguing, uh to WD but have w air
footage of Paul. But then again to get into the
thing where they don't want to draw attention to him
at all, so that that's the issue they have to
get around, maybe Triple H would maybe Triple H would
introduce that. I mean, there's some many things they could
do and they could change their mind eight thousand times.
Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, if the football strike in they
could have you know, they could have Punk Shoup with
developed the Hall of Fame game where the Bears are playing.
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot ways to
go here. Yeah for sure. Any fall thoughts on that
topic before we wrap it.
Speaker 6: Up and go the after show, I'm not really all right?
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what's going and see what's in the mail bag of
this week?
Speaker 11: Okay, Well, well, first of all, before we start that
a question which has come up, uh, which has come
up a couple of times. Yes, we're killer. Did did
mail mean my Juggle Out Championship Wrestling T shirt finally
got here in the mail so that Pat, No, it's
it's not it's it's not on my size, obviously, but yeah,
and uh, I think my and my wife's not gonna
wear it, and I think she wants me to donate
it to good will or sometimes. But anyway, it's it's
it's a lot of gray shirt. I'm sure, I'm sure
I'll find somebody who's who's willing to wear it somewhere. Right,
Let's let's go on, Hawkins. Is that first team? Right? Kay?
Pet I read an interview with Kerry Saturn and said
there were eighteen w SEW guys who were planning the
league with the radicals. I had heard the Conan Ray
and Shane Douglas were also going to leave. Do you
have any idea who the other eleven would have been? Well,
here's the thing that happened. You know, people forget how
screwed up that was when it was happening. What happened
is going into that weekend, Vince Russo was still in
charge of w c W and because of the injuries
you know, which took place on that show, which I
think where let's see h Jeff Jarrett was injured and
and Brett Hart was injured, uh, you know, and and
they were both in in that that covered the top
two matches on the show. So the paper view had
to be redone and they had to come up with
a new championaire place Brett Hart. And the story goes that,
you know, you know, everybody from w W came in,
including research superiors, and Russom made the pitch for what
he wanted to do on the show, and after Russo.
Speaker 6: Left the room, they said, okay, with this guy's got
to go.
Speaker 11: And Kevin Pulldan was fu in charge. So I mean,
it's possible that all these people they were talking about
were people who didn't like Russo and were prepared to go.
And if you talk about those people, that's a long
list and probably include most of the Luta Doors who
were still around the company, and you know, some of
the other people or for it could have been people
who wanted to leave as Kevin Pulllan was in charge
and they were about to lose whatever strip they had
with the Russo. So in other words, I'm not In
other words, I'm not sure. I mean, I mean, there
are a lot of there weren't a lot of people
happy with being in WW at that time.
Speaker 3: Though, especially when the roster had about eight hundred people
on it, So you figure about eighteen guys that probably
wanted to leave, you know, no matter what the same.
Speaker 11: I figured that people didn't want to leave with the
one two are getting paid to sit at home, yes,
which included what you're yeah, and you're talking about the
guys that's a lot of people exactly. Yeah, in thank
the most of two thousand, trying to you know, after
they said the second half of two thousand, trying to
get rid of some of those people who were under
contract not doing anything.
Speaker 3: To literal or not little little or no success. Yeah,
most I get pre contracts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think eighteen is far fetched.
I mean, if you're going to try to look at individuals,
and like I said, Pat the Luchador roster, that's a
good place to start. I mean you can probably probably.
I think I don't think Perry is exaggerate when he
said eighteen guys wanted to leave now.
Speaker 11: Still under contract. I was like, thanks, still under contract
and he probably wanted to leave. So there's another one
right there. Yeah, yeah, anyone who was in the I
don't know. I mean i'd actually have to look through
the post of people who were employed then, and that's
I'm sure that's a lot of people, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Which doesn't make eighteen far fetch. I think that's probably
a pretty reasonable number.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 11: And and maybe Shava would have would have left too
with with his Uncleetti, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think showed interest in him at the time,
did they.
Speaker 11: I think, well, they also didn't show interest in Conan
and Shane Douglas, which I mean, especially Shane Douglas, which
he would have allowed. You know, he left, Shane Douglass left.
He quit, and and I think he was I think
they weren't interested in them, and he had the sort
of crawl back with his Taible twain his.
Speaker 3: Legs right right. That's the thing is all these people
wanted to leave, but not necessarily Noverdeon didn't necessarily would
have any interest in them at all.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there was that.
Speaker 3: That's the issue.
Speaker 11: I mean, they got who they wanted. Okay. Up next,
Aaron Bark from Cedar Hill, Missouri, says hellim Agan Patton
James two questions for you. I was curious what you
do think are the best and worst designs for a
championship belt? Well, maybe can I start with the worst one? Sure,
I'll give you a hand. It was carried around by
Jeff Hardy.
Speaker 3: And the Immortal belt.
Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, I think that. I think that's the worst.
You know, my favorite is still the the big gold
belt that was used as the w c W title
in the nineties. Yeah, not the not the not the
n w A belt, which is which is good for
different reasons. But I liked, Yeah, that was that was
the one I liked best.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, worst, I'd say the Spinner Belt and
the Immortal Belt just got it just too much, too
much best. Yeah, I'd say the classic, uh the double
ingle Wings WS title belt, that just as a classic
look to it. It felt and looked championship worthy. And
so I also had a you know, a soft spot
for the white Inner title belt with the white strap
there's h a classic look, just a nice upgrade. So
it was always a favorite that one.
Speaker 11: Yeah, all right. My other question is about WW Superstars.
What is the opening video to the show? Never teach
your superstars with actual appear on the show. There's this
w w's a way of telling us that the people
who appear on the show are actually not superstars and
don't matter. Thanks again for all the entertainment you've provide. Okay, yeah, well,
I think they want people to tune into the show,
so they show the the the WWE wrestlers that they
think people are our most interested in. However, those wrestlers
are usually taken by the writers of Ron SmackDown and
and the people who put together superstars are left with
them with whoever is not being used. That leak which
sort of you amp, which explains explains what happens now
Occasionally you get things like last week, Wade Barrett, who
was in the intro, was you know, was on Superstars.
That's very nice. I think maybe you get one a week.
And I think this week Squad and we didn't talk
about Evan Board is gonna be on Superstars and I'm
pretty sure he's in the interest somewhere that that's that it. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, they they they're aware that that is
the is the that of the C show. I think
NXP is now the V show.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think the idea and I don't think they
execute this well. Is a show. These are all these
are all the superstars you recognize, you know, these are
these are some of your favorites fro Ron SmackDown and
now all these people you're watching they are on the
same level because they are if they're on the show.
Though this is a nice intro video, then all these
people you're gonna see in matches are on the same level.
And I think that's what they're trying to indicate, is
that these people on the same level as your favorites
from the other shows. But the execution may vary and
usually does not. It's not it's not executed very well.
In that in that regard, But I think the idea
is to create the impression that these wrestlers are on
the same level as your favorite stars, and I don't
think it works out too well.
Speaker 11: You know what, I also have another possibility. You do
actually get to see the wrestlers that are in the intro.
It's just that they you get to see them when
they're showing the video package of what happened in the
main event on Raw. Yes, the Raw rebound, yes, yes,
so yeah, I mean so you didn' get to see
see John so you well, you didn get to see say,
John Cena coming out and giving his seat. You know,
it's just the same seats that they gave on Raw. Right,
all right, that's next that gardner that writes prior to
Sunday's Mats to Cempunk, what did you think was John
Cena tike.
Speaker 6: In ring performance?
Speaker 11: You can argue that a couple of ways. There was
a there was a few several years back where you
had to carry literally carry the great colleague to a
couple of defent matches and that was that was quite
an accomplishment. Or or I could say that, uh, you know,
the wrestling your twenty three match with Sena And and
Sean Michaels and the subsequent rematch in London on that
one episode of Raw that those were seen, those teak
and ring performances, and I would I would probably agree
with that that that's probably what I deal with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first thing that came to mind,
was the Shawn Michaels series and the match, the fifty
something in the match they had in London. I mean yeah,
I mean he had so many matches with Ryan Yorton
that I couldn't single out a single match he had.
I couldn't. There's just so many of them that none
of them stand out individually. Uh yeah, he had a
good Was it a TLC match or a ladder match
at Edge?
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I remember that. I want to say two
thousand and five, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Was that was that Summer Slam or maybe an off
ramp pay per view? I don't remember which I think
it was.
Speaker 11: I'm forgiven with Trew's the month after Summer Slam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 11: See these guys, I can remember what happened on you know,
I get so si mat.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, trying to think other not not much with
the miss in terms of entering Batista, not really them.
They tried that a couple of times, but it just
it didn't really work out.
Speaker 11: I mean they they had a series of okay matches.
Why don't we deal with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think the Sean Michael's stuff exceeds that.
This match obviously gonna blok me right up there.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, okay, let's see you have the next question.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, the final question we have at the Typeman
Neil Zone. This comes from Dave Portivo out of a
lovely London.
Speaker 6: We're just referring to that.
Speaker 3: He's got two questions, uh, Pat and Caldwell. He says,
what first question, do you enjoy one night tournaments?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 11: Pat?
Speaker 3: Do you enjoy one night tournaments?
Speaker 11: Depends on the situation. I mean, yeah, you can, you know,
I mean it depends in the situation, depends on who's
in the tournament.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: WrestleMania four not not the be one night tournament I've
ever seen it, probably the most Yeah, I mean they
didn't really conclude the tournament on Monday nights. But yeah,
I mean, I mean the King of the Ring. I
think it's something you can do like once a year,
as with the King of the Ring and you know,
with the King of a Ring, the King of the Ring.
I think it was smarter them to lose that to
a you know, to a three hour rock type of
thing instead of making a pay for you out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that. I don't think it had
any lasting drawing power anymore. I mean, let me rephrase it.
I don't think it had drawing power anymore.
Speaker 4: It just.
Speaker 3: It's not something you can only sell a paper unless
you have your top stars, and even that, you don't
know what matchups your top stars are going to be,
and that are important. You know, you might have a ray,
you might have a ray versus a scene of opening
around man, but that will you know, if you're looking
at two top stars, but it won't mean anything because
you're gonna have, you know, seven more matches that will
be of equal or greater important. So it's just it
cancels itself outs. I agree with you, Patt, it's better
as a TV deal. Do I enjoy one NYE tournaments?
I like one night tournaments. I like them. The execution
is a problem. I don't know the TA has ever
done one night tournament, at least in the.
Speaker 11: Well, you know, one night Yeah, you're right to probably
hear them done a lot of one night tournaments. They
do tournaments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't name a one night er. Well, they
did a Knockouts one over you know, Christmas a couple
of years.
Speaker 11: Ago, and I'm actually one of the few people who
like that show.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't even know if I saw that
show because I was out a ten. I don't know
if I ever went back and watching it. But uh, yeah,
I like the concept. I think the execution is is
suspect a lot of times, and you know, once on
the line, and I don't like the idea of vacating
the time. I also, I mean the other one and
then you have then you have a King of the
Ring where Seamus wins and he goes on on a
three month losing street. So that doesn't work out aso. Well, yeah,
execution is the biggest issue, yeah, I think so. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: H The second question from Dave Portivo, what is your
favorite tournament and which do you think is the best
executed one night tournament?
Speaker 11: The best executed is obviously the one night tournament in
Rio de Janeiro where Pat Patterson captured the Inner Continental
title back in nineteen eighty. Yes, that, of course would
be that, of course would be the best executive. Let's
see favorite accounts for a one night tournament that the
Crackett Cup back.
Speaker 6: In the mid eighties, and.
Speaker 11: They usually did it over over, yeah, over, They usually
did it two nights, you know, the day. Yeah, that's
the tasting tournament. I just thought that was a fun idea.
And you know, even though you knew there wasn't a
million dollars involved, it was one of those shows that
was you know, it was a celebration of it was
a celebration of taking wrestling and yeah, sometimes that's yeah,
sometimes that's all you need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 11: W c W.
Speaker 3: Did they have a one night tournament? Oh god, yes,
with a nitro era, thinking like late to early late nineties,
early two thousands, did they have a tournament?
Speaker 11: Oh they did, yeah, nineteen ninety nine, the Norman nineteenninety
ninety did Mayhem, which was their tournament's one night tournament
for the title, which gret Heart won.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was that Brenn over ben Wall, wasn't it.
Speaker 11: Yes, Okay, you know, I wasn't wasn't crazy about the
rest of the tournament versus than a while with a
really good match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one that if you're geting at an
individual match in a tournament, I think that's that's right
after you're the top. I was here. They've been some
decent King of the ring matches. I can't think of
any other top of my head that.
Speaker 11: Like, oh geez, let's see Brett Hart versus mister perfect
Preth Hart versus Van van Bigelow. Those those two.
Speaker 3: Come to mind, yeah, Heart, Yeah, and of.
Speaker 11: Course Saviio Vega versus Naval in nineteen.
Speaker 3: Ninety five, which I forget about that one. Yeah, that's
that's the best.
Speaker 11: It's a memorable moments. Yeah, Steve Laston beating Jake Roberts
in ninety six, and yeah to Rob van Dan versus
rock Lesnart even Oh that's the point the tournament final, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because the problem was ro out those King
of the rings was you had the mix of talent,
and you never really had a guy in his peak
because obviously they that first would be a separate match
or separate title match or a suffering grudge match, and
you get guys on the way up for the way down.
But you never really had a and you might have
a couple of those guys. We never really had all
the top stars in one single tournament, and they always
going to be one one year off with one guy
and one year one year or too early with another guy.
Never really had them all together for an epic tournament.
You had a flash here and then a flash there.
Speaker 11: Well yeah, I mean, and I know there have been
tournaments on Rawn SmackDown over the years to you know,
to crown number one contenders, and I'm I'm kind of
in favor of those, but you know, usually it's it's
hard to do in a two hour show where thirty
minutes of it's going to be commercials.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you end up. But what we had on Monday,
which was you know, uh, five five five minute matches
and then one ten minute match, and it's like where
did that come from? So yeah, that's the probably run
into you know, with a bunch of short matches that
you know about a star and a half if that,
and that's about it. So that is a prob. Yeah,
that is a problem with the two hour show. And
that was That was the last question from Dave Fortivo.
That's the last question in the mail bag. Anything else
in the tournament or any final thoughts before a wrap up?
Speaker 11: No, I mean it should be in.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 11: One of holse shows this weekend evolved on Tuesday night
is probably the the you know, it's the big internet
pay review deal, along with what's it about to come
up from j c W because they've been off given
out for a month trying to get a new building.
I think and uh and on Saturday it looks looks
to the hack of the show I had.
Speaker 3: That's a really strong show.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, you don't wanna, Yeah, I wanna. You might
want to get that DVD order.
Speaker 3: Ray, get the pre order in before the show happens,
I think there you yeah, yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Pat, we won't hear from you in a round table
until what's the August pay per view from tml Core Justice.
I'll thought you, I thought you might like to set
up there. So we've got that was a good old
fashioned stinging kurd angle match, and then, uh, it's gonna
be hardcore about a month.
Speaker 11: So what's that it's gonna be. Uh, it's gonna be
hardcore stinging kurd angle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because nothing that sounds hardcore like singing kurd angle.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I imagined a bit fro the thumbtacks. I think that
was the my my thought of why he didn't do
anything on Uh what was what was the July pay
per view victory?
Speaker 6: Uh? It was victory roa destination.
Speaker 3: Yes, I figured he didn't pull out the the weapons
and the thumbtack because he was saving it for August.
Speaker 11: That's yeah, Yeah, for the Big Green match with Brian Kendrick.
Speaker 3: I I guess that'll be it. Yeah, I guess that'll
be the match. I don't know. I don't know that
Bess Kendrick is gonna seem hardcore justice enough.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I haven't you know, so far in the
build up and the spoilers, I haven't seen anything that
would either suggest three hardcore match with any of the
people involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a bit peculiar. It seems like it's
only by name this year as opposed to last year
and I put the entire program behind it, you know,
I don't know, maybe a lot maybe some last second. Hey,
let's throw out a uh throwout, Oh, I don't know, uh,
ball stone anywhere, or let's throw the street fight here
we get no for no reason at all, and that
might be the pay pill.
Speaker 11: And they can have the reverse little renal.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's hardcore. That's definitely hard that's hardcore yep, hardcore
bad yep. And when he's got a poll, what can
we put on a pole?
Speaker 11: That's a great idea.
Speaker 3: Let's see how about uh, how about a contract and
a poll?
Speaker 11: You know, I don't know, you a briefcase, briefcase cases,
briefcases on polls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. So there you go. There's a
hardcore Justice pay per view, and let's hear the find
folks a team A have in store for the next
time Pat you get on the round table. I'm sure
it'll be all sorts of fun stuff to talk about
with the show that's not really hardcore called hardcore Justice.
Speaker 11: So well, you know, we can I mean, they have
a good pay per view. We can always hope that,
you know, somehow they turn another another one.
Speaker 3: Yep. Maybe maybe if they're not even paying attention, will
turn out to be a decent show. He works out.
Yeah all right, Pat, well, a good show. Thanks for
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