Cory Hughes and James Day - What Can We Say With Certainty?

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Speaker 1: Here and in five four three two, I'm back with

Corey Hughes. Corey, good morning, Good morning. Our topic today

is what is Certain? So I'm curious what Corey is

going to be putting out there. Before we start the topic,

I want to ask you a question. I don't think

we've I certainly don't think I've ever heard you really

talk about this, the CIA mafia plots that were evidently

secret and came out in the nineteen seventies during the

Church Commission and what have you, that evidently resulted in

the murders of Roselle and Jancana. What do you think

of that whole notion that the mafia and the CIA

were teaming up to kill Castro with these very elaborate plots.

Speaker 2: So what I've come to conclude after all these years

is that the plot to kill Castro was ridiculous. It

just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. The CIA

put Castro in charge right right, We ousted Batista, we

had guys up with him in the mountains in Cuba,

and we helped him take over. So that's not even

I don't even think that's even disputed. In most places,

the CIA created organizations to help foster this acceptance of Castro,

like the fair Play for Cuba Committee. Right, So, the

fair Play for Cuba Committee founded in April of nineteen

sixty when he was clearly on our side. We thought

that he was going to be a freedom fighter and

he would have a democratic country down in Cuba. And

you know, we helped get this, We helped spread freedom

and democracy. If it would have worked, it would have

been the first time in history ever that that actually worked.

But he gets into power, and what does he do.

He doesn't turn to communism until December of sixty one. Okay,

this is why I find the Fair Play for Cuba

Committee hilarious exercise because it was a pro Castor organization

because he was a freedom fighter and they wanted him

to be accepted by the American people, and he was

one of us. And so the Fair Play for Cuba

Committee was kind of a way for the CIA to

nudge the rest of the American government into get lifting

all the sanctions and all that stuff and blockades of

Cuba and.

Speaker 3: Welcome Castro into the fold.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: And so you have about a year and a half,

about eighteen months when the Fairplay for Cuba Committee is

a pro castro pro freedom organization, okay, founded by Richard

Gibson and Robert Tabor. They try to offload the ownership

to Vincent t Lee, which is hilarious because he didn't

get involved till after it had been around for a

year at least, and he was only involved in the

Tampa chapter, so they tried to dump responsibility on him.

I don't know how they picked him, must have pulled

his name out of a hat. But for eighteen months,

like the fair Play for Cuba Committee was pro castro

because he was pro freedom. And then when he switched

to communism, what should they have done? They should have

been like, screw him, he betrayed us, you know, get

rid of this guy. And Fair Plea for Cuba Committee

should have switched sides, meaning they should have become anti

castro at that point.

Speaker 3: But they didn't. They didn't at all. What do they do?

Speaker 2: They became a pro castro, pro communist organization, right, founded

by two white guys in America. Right, So the alarm

bells should be going off already in as far as

who's pulling the strings at the Fair Play for Cuba

Committee and so seeing the CIA entrenchment and bring in

his rise to power, and then once he's in power

and once he's a communist. I think what happened is

they're like, hey, this is a great opportunity for us

to do some co intel pro kind of stuff and

keep track of American communists. Anybody who joins this organization,

now we know as a communist and we can keep

tabs on them. And I think that's what fair Play

for Cuba Committee was after December of sixty one.

Speaker 3: Now, to bring that back.

Speaker 2: To the CIA mafia plots against Castro, I think that

you can look at the behavior of the Fair Play

for Cuba Committee organization and see the kind of thinking

that they had going on behind that. Why would they

continue to promote Castro as a communist to do co

intel pro stuff. But at the exact same time, I

think it shows that they were not serious about ousting Castro.

We needed that communist threat ninety miles off the coast,

the ever present communist dilemma right at our doorstep.

Speaker 3: I mean that.

Speaker 2: Acquired fifty sixty years of funding to fight communism. You know,

well technically until the end of the nineties, right was

what year did the Soviet Union fall?

Speaker 3: Like ninety two or something like that.

Speaker 2: So we had at least thirty to forty years of

we needed this communist threat off our coast. The whole

idea that communism was going to take over anything is stupid,

the whole They knew it was stupid, Like the entire

Cold War was stupid, and they knew it was stupid,

and it was just their way of building up this

internettional offensive.

Speaker 3: Mechanism.

Speaker 2: Right, So they knew that the Russians had no money,

everyone was broke, the country was broke, They couldn't compete

in the space race, and they had to fake all

kinds of films and stuff with them doing space stuff.

They basically there was like, what movie did I watch recently?

The Good Shepherd was at it a de Niro and

was a Matt Damon, and so Matt Damon, there's this one.

Speaker 3: Part where.

Speaker 2: Basically he says something along the lines of he's talking

to Robert de Niro, and man, I totally forgot the

point that I was making the connecting to this, But

that movie basically illustrated to me that the entire they

had knowledge. Oh there was that one scene, but they

had the Russian guy, the Russian spy and he's in

the room and he's like, I'm the guy. I'm the guy.

They think they have this, they think they have the

guy working with them. But he's like, no, he's an imposter.

I'm the real guy.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: And then he jumps out a window and he's like

it's all fake. He's like, oh, this is fake. He's

like the space race, the arms race, we don't have

any money, it's all fake. You're fighting a paper tiger. Right,

And then he jumps out the window.

Speaker 3: That was so true.

Speaker 2: And the thing is they knew it. They knew it

back then, and so why did they fake this whole

Cold War just for to gain money, to gain global entrenchment.

We have bases everywhere post World War Two. I mean,

it's just ridiculous. Right, So the whole thing was fake,

the entire and bringing us back to Castro. They knew

that he was a paper tiger. They knew that it

was never a communist threat, and they just used it

to exploit us as a people.

Speaker 1: So what about Rosselli and coming up with these plans

of exploding cigars and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: This sounds like propaganda. I mean, this sounds like straight propaganda.

You can't verify the origins of any of this stuff.

It sounds ridiculous. A lot of it has a humorous

twist when possible. You know, this is all straight from

the Doctrine of rumors, and the Doctrine regarding rumors is

one of the most important documents in the history of

the world. It's the playbook for how they disseminate rumors

and propaganda. Okay, And like when you go through all

the exploding cigar stuff, and then like was Marita lorenz

Is that her name?

Speaker 3: The Sturgis chick?

Speaker 2: She's full of shit, Like she just lied about everything,

Like there was no there was no caravan from Miami

to Dallas with Sturgis and the Diaz Lands brothers.

Speaker 3: That was fake.

Speaker 2: Everything she said was total bullshit. So when you come

to realize that we're getting a lot of the information

on the plots to kill Castro from her, it's like.

Speaker 3: What are you talking about? This is this is stupid.

Speaker 2: There's no way that they would get rid of the

communists threat off our coast. There's no way. Now, what

are we doing with Cuba today? We got blockades on

Cuba again. I mean, like we're destroying this country for

no fucking reason. The Communism is not a threat anymore, Like,

what's the deal. We don't have to be threatening people anymore.

We can just go in and make deals with people.

So I don't understand the whole I don't understand what's

going on with Cuba today. It's just really a mess

down there.

Speaker 1: The follow up, so, what was what's your assessment then

of the Cuban missile crisis as we know it?

Speaker 2: I'm assuming, well, the Russians wanted to have you know,

they wanted to have weapons in the Western hemisphere, and

so I don't blame them.

Speaker 1: But.

Speaker 2: That that went to show the relationship. That woul't highlight

the relationship between the Soviets and and the Cubans, and

I think that was a problem. They don't want Russia

to have a foothold here, but at the same time,

they needed Russia to have a foothold here, right, So

if they really cared about Castro, I mean, we took

out Iraq in a day. You tell me in sixty

years we can't take off. We can't take out Castro

on this dinky little island. Give me a break.

Speaker 3: The whole thing is stupid.

Speaker 2: We could do a Venezuela going there in ten minutes.

And you know what I mean, Like, not that I'm

for that, but we could. And so the whole thing

about Castro and the CIA plots ridiculous. This doesn't make

any sense to me whatsoever. The CIA knew that they

needed a mechanism by which to completely drain our money

out of our coffers, you know, and that was it fascinating.

Speaker 1: Well, let's move on to today's topic, then, Corey, where

do we start do? What's going on here? All right?

Speaker 2: So there's a handful of things in the Kennedy assassination

world that are still debated to this very day that

should not be debated. They have been settled, They're done.

Like and what I found is that most of the

stuff that I want to talk about today revolves around

are three mercenaries, Lauren Hall, William Seymour and Lawrence Howard.

Those guys are so goddamn important this whole thing. I

can't emphasize enough. They are in on this plot from

the very beginning. The earliest some of the earliest setup

of Ouswall goes back to Bolton Ford in sixty one,

where I put Lawrence Howard at Bolton Ford with Kerry Thornley.

So Lawrence Howard and William Seymore and Lauren Hall are

all super important, and we have a very good record

on their travels back and forth. And so the first

thing we're going to start with today is the Sylvie

Odio incidents. Now, Sylvia Odio, her parents were Cuban dissidents.

They were in a Cuban jail at the time of

the assassination and at the time that allegedly Oswald and

these guys meet up with her, but she herself had

been involved with the anti Castro movement before. That's how

they knew her. I think they knew her from Miami,

if I'm not mistaken. And so she was a contact

of Lauren Hall at this apartment complex. And so the

story is that Sylvia that Odio comes forward and that

she has Oswald show up at her place with two Cubans,

and the Cubans she identifies as Leopaldo Angelo and Leon Oswald.

And so many people still think that Oswald actually went

to Sylvia Odios is actually impossible if Oswald is in

Mexico City. Okay, so Oswald is in Mexico City on

the twenty seventh, but at the same time he's at

Sylvia Odio's on the twenty seventh. So Oswald was actually

still in New Orleans on the twenty sixth. So Oswald

did not go to Mexico City. When you understand the

backstory and who was traveling, where it becomes obvious Kerrie

Thornley went to Mexico City. Carrie Thornley went to Mexico

City three times. He went once on the way from

New Orleans to Whittier, California, in May. Then he went

from Whittier to Mexico City and then to New Orleans

again where he arrived in New Orleans September fourth. And

then we have obviously the Oswald Mexico City trip, which

if Oswald was to make that trip, he would have

had to have gotten on a bus no later than

the one point thirty bus that left on the twenty fourth,

but that's not.

Speaker 3: Possible at all.

Speaker 2: We still have evidence of Oswald being in New Orleans

on September twenty sixth. On September twenty sixth, we have

a document that's actually very deeply hidden in the Wiseberg files,

and there's only one other reference to it in the

Garrison files, but no one's ever commented on this document.

It's a document from an informant, an interview with the FBI.

They went and collected documents from the post office in

New Orleans on September twenty sixth that showed Oswald was

still there and he closed out his PO box and

left the forwarding address.

Speaker 3: Right, So what do we have.

Speaker 2: We have Carrie Thornley in Mexico City, where he probably

didn't take a bus. He probably got flown in by

David Maggiar, who is.

Speaker 3: The guy who got this.

Speaker 2: So three people got this got their visas on the

same day, September seventeenth. You had allegedly Oswald, you had

David Pierce Maggiar, and then you had allegedly William Gadday.

These three guys all got their Mexico City visas on

the same day to seventeenth. Right, So I believe that

Carrie Thornley was most likely flown into Mexico City by

David Pierce Maggiar William Godday. He ends up going onto

South America. But from what I can tell of gaud

Day that Goudeay was most certainly charged with keeping tabs

on Oswald. That's legit he's the one who's responsible for

getting him on television when he was handing out the

flyers in front of the trademark. And so when it

comes to the Silvia Odio thing, you have to acknowledge

that Oswald is not going to be in on his

own setup. So Oswald was most certainly not kicking it

with Lawrence Howard and Lauren Hall. So he most certainly

did not go to Silvia Odios. He would have no

reason to go to Silvia Odios. Kerry Thornley's in Mexico City.

And William Seymour is the guy kicking it with Lawrence

Howard and Lauren Hall. Therefore they were the ones who

went to Sylvia Odios. Now let me just have documents

here to show all this stuff. Let me go ahead

and share a screen.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Speaker 2: So this is an FBI document dated October second, nineteen

sixty four, Lee Harvey Oswald. This is about the Silvia

Odio incident. It is recalled that Sylvia Odio has advised

that on an evening in the latter part of September

nineteen sixty three, she was visited at her apartment in Dallas,

Texas by two Cubans or Mexicans accompanied by an American

whom she believed to be Lee Harvey Oswald. So she's lying.

She knows it's not Lee Harvey Oswald, because I'm not mistaken.

She had interactions with all these guys in the past.

So Lauren Eugene Hall, upon interview on September sixteenth, nineteen

sixty four, at Johnson Dale, California, stated he'd been in Dallas,

Texas in September nineteen sixty three in the company of

Lawrence Howard and William Seymour, and has contacted many Cubans

in the Dallas area, including a Cuban woman, a missus Odio,

who lived in Apartment A located on Magellan's Circle, Dallas,

in the same building with a Cuban friend of Hall

named Kiki Ferrer. During a second interview on September twentieth,

nineteen sixty four, Hall stated that during his visit in

Dallas in September sixty three, he was accompanied by Lawrence

Howard in a Cuban whom he knew as Wychito, and

was not accompanied at this time by William Seymour. He

also said that he recalled no contact with Odeo. Okay,

so the gig is up. He admitted that he was

there on September sixteenth. Why did he admit that because

he didn't understand the bigger picture implications. He didn't understand

at the time that Oswald was supposed to be in

Mexico City. He didn't understand the various reasons that he

should lie about this incident, and so he didn't and

he told the truth. He was at Sylvia Odios. But

Lawrence Howard and William Seymour. William Seymour obviously the shorter

white guy who was identified as Leon Oswald. Right, So

when you go back and you read all the statements

from Sylvia Odio about Oswald and then you realize it

was William Seymour, the whole thing seems to make a

lot of sense. So down here you have a little

bit more. Says Upon interview at Los Angeles, California, September

twenty at sixty four, Lawrence John Howard advised he had

accompanied Hall to Dallas, Texas in September sixty three with

a Cuban refugee named Celios Albas, who was also known

by the name Warrito. Howard recalled no contact with the

Cuban woman named Odio at an apartment in Magellan Circle.

That is obviously a lie. At the time, he didn't

leave anywhere with Celio's Albus when they left Los Angeles.

He definitely left with William Seymour, who was going under

the alias Techs when he was out at LA at

this time. So now we have Now this is an

interesting one. We have William Seymour's statement. William Seymour or Phoenix, Arizona,

during interview September eighteen sixty four, stated he and Lawrence

it says Lawrence Hall, but it's Lawrence Howard were in Dallas,

Texas October sixty three rather than September sixty three, and

Sylvia Odio was unknown to him. Review of Beach Welding

and Supplies Company in Miami Beach, Florida, on September twenty second,

sixty four confirmed William Seymour's employment with that company throughout

the period of September fifth to October tenth. So this

is great because we know that William Seymour worked for

Beach Welding, But now we can say that Beach Welding

is one hundred percent of Front because William Seymour was.

Speaker 3: More certainly not in Miami.

Speaker 2: He was definitely at at Sylvia Odios, which means that

all the statements about him working for Beach Welding in

Miami are bullshit, right, They're a total lie. On September

twenty fourth, sixty four, Celio Sergio Castro Alba, employed at

the South Florida Sugar Company Belglade, Florida, stated he had

traveled with Lauren Hall and Laurence Howard from California to

Dallas to Miami in September of nineteen sixty three, but

had not met any person at Dallas named Odio. That's

the whole story's bs. Sergio or Celio Alba was not

part of this whatsoever. Going down just a little bit.

Missus Odio was showing photographs of Lauren Hall taking Wichitak, Kansas,

December sixteen sixty one, Lawrence Howard and William Seymour taken

in March fifty nine at San Diego, California, and Celio

Albus in November sixty one upon Villium materials. She said

none of these individuals were identical with the three persons

that included the individual she believed was Oswald. Okay, so

basically the entire Silvia Odio. Things should be settled. We

have Lauren Hall admitted it. He admitted he was there

because the guy's a dummy and he wasn't really as

tight with the other two. So the other two guys,

William Seymour and Lawrence Howard, they kind of didn't really

like Lauren Hall was a He was a blabber mouth.

He used to run his mouth, he used to try

to be like a He was a braggart. He was

really arrogant, and he wasn't that smart, and he let

things slip, like this statement that they were at Silvia Odios.

So I think the Sylvia audio incident should be settled.

We have multip and not only that, there were newspaper

articles written that basically cover the material I just showed you.

There were a bunch of stuff in like Rampart magazine

that covered what I just showed you. So there was

a time in the nineteen seventies when everybody knew that

the Silvia Audio affair was Hall, Howard and Seymour. And

you still got people out there today who were pushing

that it was you know, Bernardo de Torres and a

bunch of other people like sup ridiculous. Okay, so that's

the first thing.

Speaker 1: Going off that let me give you a response here

that this is from Jeff Caufield's book on General Walker

in the Murder of President Kennedy, and I'm going to

quote here and we'll have you respond. In a report

dated September twenty sixth, nineteen sixty four, three days before

the Final War Commission was presented to President Johnson, the

FBI belated Lee told them about an interview they had

with Lauren Eugene Hall, who claimed he was in Dallas

in September nineteen sixty three with two men who fit

the description of the men who visited Odio's apartment. He

claimed one of his companions, will William Seymour, looked like

Oswald Prencies in reality, he did not. Hall told them

Oswald was not one of them. The Bakersfield, California Resident

Agency of the FBI located Hall in Kernville, California, and

Hall told them he was involved in anti castro activities

in Wallis soliciting funds. At the time, the HSCA was

not able to determine the circumstances leading up to the

FBI interview of Hall. Within a week of Hall's allegation.

The two other men, Lawrence Howard and William Seymour, whom

Hall alleged were with him, denied it. Hall retracted his

story about meeting Sylvia Odio in September. The damage had

been done. However, portions of the FBI's investigation, which was

inconclusive in supporting the warrants Commission contention that missus Odio

was mistaken or not sent to Commission Council Rankin until

November ninth, at a time when the final report had

already been completed. Nonetheless, the Commission, knowing Hall's story was

an admitted fabrication, concluded quote while the FBI had not

completed its investigation into this matter at the time the

report went to press, the Commission has concluded that Lee

Harvey Oswald was not at missus Odio's apartment in September

nineteen sixty three, and so concluding, the Commission committed another

blunder of historic magnitude.

Speaker 2: Uh, your response to that, So he's saying that Oswald

was at Odeos, That's what I get from that, because

he said that they said Oswald wasn't there and that

was a blunder. So I'm kind of feeling that's what

he's saying. There's no evidence that he was there at

all period. There's no evidence he ever hung out with

Lawrence Howard ever, period, there's no evidence that he had

any associates other than a couple in New Orleans and

only in passing. So I don't understand how anyone can

come to that conclusion, especially when you get somebody who

admits that they were there with the exact people who

should be who should be with, right, So this is

what this is what I don't get. It's like I'm

looking outside, the sky is blue, but people are arguing

over it. You know, it's like, what are you talking about?

So when you got a guy like Lauren, you see

this is nothing. You can't just take what they say.

You have to understand the relationships of play here.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 3: So, once you understand that he was kind of.

Speaker 2: Like the third wheel, he was like a fifth wheel

for the for Howard and Seymour, who were actually good friends,

they actually really liked each other. They didn't like Hall.

And so when you understand me, he's not exactly in

the loop on everything. Then he admits that they were there.

Then he takes it back four days later what can

that tell you. Obviously, in that four day period between interviews,

somebody talked to him and was like, Yo, this is

the deal. This is why he wasn't there, right, this

is what you have to say. So all the evidence

is to me, it's just overwhelming. And once I came

to understand really years ago that Hall, Howard and Seymour

were a trio who were doing all kinds of stuff

together all across the country for a couple of year period.

When you then go back to the Sylvia Odio story,

it's like, oh, duh, duh, Right, Because Lawrence Howard's a Mexican.

He's a Mexican American, and Lauren Hall used to say

he was a Cuban. He used to go by Lorenzo Pacio, right,

and then Leon Oswald. And there's another thing. Leon Oswald

is the same name that was given at the Perry

Russo party. Right, Perry Russo was introduced to Oswald as

Leon Oswald. But that was most certainly Carry Thornley, the

bearded beatnik.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: He drew the beard on him and said that's him.

So what does that mean? You got two different people,

Lawrence Howard. I'm sorry, William Seymour and Carrie Thornley both

using an alias of Leon Oswald, which what does that mean?

It means there's some there's a connection between those two men,

and there's some planning above that they were told to

use that name. Now you have Carry Thornley goes to

Jones Printing to get the flyers printed because Oswald didn't

have the flyers printed. Those were handed to Oswald and

said here to hand these out. So Carry Thornley, what

name did he use at Jones Printing? He didn't use

Leon Oswald? He used Leon Osborne. And why is that important?

Because Osborne was the name of a guy in Oswald's

unit at Santa Anna, mac Osborne. So a couple of

these names, so Osbourne and Hidell, which was really Hindel.

Speaker 1: Uh.

Speaker 2: These guys were people who Oswald knew at Santa Ana.

So but yeah, So once you come to understand Carrie

Thornley got the flyers printed, Oswald had nothing to do

with that, you start looking for Oswald and all these

different places and you come to realize Oswald didn't do

any of these things, Not a single thing that we

believe Oswald ever did. Did he actually ever do, including

work at the book depository, if you ask me. So

that opens the door to all the impersonations, all the

impersonations everywhere from you know, Los Angeles all the way

to Miami. Right ohe answered the question, I might have

gone off a little bit.

Speaker 1: Very good. Let's move on. What would be uh what

would be next?

Speaker 3: Okay?

Speaker 2: So next, and this is a this is gonna involve Hall,

Howard and Seymour again. This one, I'm gonna go ahead

and read the statement. This one, we're gonna talk about

the coke incident, the second floor incident with a coke

that never happened. Okay, and so let me share a screen. Okay,

so what we have here, and this is in a

couple different places, but I wanted to get the original

handwritten version because a person's because the type version could

have been altered. Right, So I just went directly to

the the handwritten statement of Officer Marian Baker. So the

story is right, the shots are fired, and within ninety seconds,

Officer Baker and Roy Trully they entered the book depository

and they confront Oswald in the second floor lunchroom while

he's drinking a coke. Story Okay, they went on the

news and told this story. It's been told for sixty years.

Baker himself perpetuated the myth that they stopped Oswald in

the second floor lunch room, and that is completely false.

None of that ever happened, and we're gonna read Baker's

original statement.

Speaker 3: To debunk that.

Speaker 2: So this is from Marion Baker, Patrolman Dall's Police Department, Friday,

November twenty second, sixty three. I was riding motorcycle escort

for the President of the United States approximately twelve thirty pm.

I was on Houston Street and the President's car had

made a left turn from Houston. I'm gonna skip over

that onto Elm Street, and just as I approached Elm.

Speaker 3: And Houston, I heard three shots. I think that's a

complete lie.

Speaker 2: He couldn't have heard where shots were coming from because

he wasn't even close enough to hear any shots. Heard

three shots. He realized these were rifle shots, and he

began to try to figure out where they came from.

Speaker 3: All right, next page.

Speaker 2: I decided the shots had come from the building on

the northwest corner of Elm and Hughest. This building is

used by the Board of Education for book storage. I

jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. And

I entered the door. I saw several people standing around.

I asked these people where the stairs were. A man

stepped forward and he said he was the building manager

and that he would show me where the stairs were.

He's talking about Roy truly. I followed the man to

the rear of the building. He said, let's take the elevator.

The elevator was hung several floors up, and so we

used the stairs instead.

Speaker 1: This is the important part.

Speaker 2: As we reached the third or fourth floor, I saw

a man walking away from the stairway. I called to

the man, and he turned around and came back towards me.

The manager said, I know that man, he works here.

I then turned the man loose and he went up

to and then we went up to the top floor.

The man I saw was a white man, approximately thirty

years old, five nine, one hundred and sixty five pounds,

dark hair, and wearing a light brown jacket. Okay, the

light brown jacket part is the most important because this

is the proof that it wasn't Oswald, Because why did

Oswald have to leave to go get his jacket if

he had a jacket, right it's retarded. This person was

clearly not Lee Harvey oswald A. Clearly this statement here,

the handwritten statement, the first thing that Baker put to paper.

He doesn't even mention the Coke story. He doesn't mention

the second floor, doesn't mention the lunch room, and everything

about this story is the same. It's the same substance

as the Coke story. Right, he followed the man to

the rear of the building, and he said he'd take

the elevator. The elevator was hung the several floors up,

and we used the stairs instead. Right, this is the

Coke story. As we reached the thirty fourth floor, what

did he did? He encounter someone on the second floor

and just not put it in his statement. No, that

never happened. The reason that they had to, the very

reason that they had to make up this story is

because what I believe happened, and this is where I

rewrote the entire timeline of what happened in the book depository,

is because when you realize that he was further back

on main Street, here's no way he could have heard

any shots. He probably just came in saw commotion. What

I believe happened is I believe he saw the shooter

at the daltex Emilio Santana who was underneath the fire escape.

He was not inside the building, he was under the

fire escape. Well, if you're gonna say he's under the

fire escape, there's a whole bunch of crowd of people

around there. How could they not bust them or beat

him up or do something to stop him because they

were in on it. The whole crowd in Daily Plaza

was in on it.

Speaker 3: And we'll get it. That was through Jack Ruby's rabbi

and all that stuff, and we're gonna get it.

Speaker 2: Well, we won't talk about that today, but all the

people in Daily Plasa knew what was going on, so

they covered for him. But he starts to run north

on Houston Street with the rifle. I believe Baker runs

after saw that because when you look at the video

the couch film, he doesn't go to the book depository,

you can tell his Directionette's running. He goes past the

book depository. He'll then run north on Houston Street. Arrest

this man, gret confiscate the rifle, walk him back to

the front of the book depository where he's captured, or

putting him into custody in Willis photo number ten. It's

clear that the officer taking a man dressed all in

black into custody in that picture. Now, this is where

this is already we're coming up on the We're probably

past the ninety second mark at all at this point.

And so another way that we can debunk the timeline

on when he entered the building is because we have

in the Robert Hughes film, we have William Seymour. William

Seymour is captured in the Robert Hughes film when he

gives a signal or gets a signal from Detective Trantham.

So what do we have to We have to go

back through the statements of Richard Randolph Carr. Richard Randolph

Carr sees that the back door flies open, three men

come out. Two of them get into a light colored

station wagon and pull off, and then we have one

man walks into Daley Plaza. Okay, those are the three

men who exited the back when William Seymour is captured

in the Robert Hughes film. The time stamp on that

is approximately twelve thirty two or at the latest twelve

thirty three. William Seymour will then re enter the book

depository via the front door. Okay, we'll take the elevator

up to the sixth floor. From the sixth floor, he

begins to make his descent. Right, here's the problem with

the ninety seconds. If this man was confronted within ninety seconds,

it would have been impossible for William Seymour to have

been captured in the Robert Hughes film, which he clearly is.

So you have minimum two or three minutes before that

film is captured. He walks back in the building, goes

to the sixth floor. Add another minute or two. He

does whatever he does on the sixth floor, and then

starts to descend the stairs. It is now at this

time that Baker and Truly encounter him between the third

and fourth floor. How else do we know that this

didn't happen ninety seconds after because we have the statements

of Robert McNeil. And Robert McNeil enters the book depository

to use the phone. He sees three men who are

exceedingly calm for the pandemonium going on around them, those

men being William Shelley, Billy Lovelady and Buell Fraser. From there,

he's directed to a phone. He goes to use the phone.

He uses, here's an interesting thing that I would really

like an answer to. He picks up the phone, and

he pushes the button to make the call. Right, he's

got to re member the old school phones have a

little light and his numerous lines. He said one of

the lines was already lit up when he was when

he went to make a phone call, which means that

somebody else was making a phone call at around twelve

thirty five from the book depository. I want to know

what that phone call was. Who was making calls from

the book depository at twelve thirty five pm. I don't

have a clue, but I'm fascinated to find out who

could have possibly been. So he gets the time stamp

on his telephone call to his New York News desk

that comes back at twelve thirty six, which means his

phone call was at twelve thirty six, So we can

assume he probably left the building no earlier than twelve

thirty seven. Okay, twelve thirty seven. He leaves the building,

and he said that there were no cops had entered

the building while he was there, and no cops entered

before him, and they probably didn't enter the building until

after he left, which means that no cops entered the

building till around twelve thirty seven. This I believe is

the actual case, because when you read the statements of

Baker and Truly, by the time they get back down

from the top of the building, cops are already flooding

into the book depository. Those two statements are completely incongruent,

which means that the statements of Baker and Truly could

not have happened ninety seconds after. We have multiple pieces

of evidence which debunked the idea happened ninety seconds after,

and we have the document from Baker that says clearly

this man was stopped on the stairwell between the third

and fourth floor with no mention of the coke story. Okay,

so that I think we can put to rest. We

can put to rest the idea that the coke story

ever happened. It was a fabrication to cover for the

fact that they made an arrest in Daily Plaza, And

they made somewhere around fifteen to twenty arrests of people

in Daly Plaza, and you dig into the.

Speaker 3: Who they arrested.

Speaker 2: They arrested Jack Todd, Angelo Thomas Caston, a bunch of

low life Dallas hoodlums, connected to Dear, connected to Jack Ruby.

Really it's side story stuff. But when I got into

my first couple of years of doing this, the names

popped up and I went with it. And there's some

interesting is that interesting stuff when you start to dig

into Angelo Thomas Caston and all these guys are allegedly

independent oil operators just like Brayden was, you know, it's

pretty interesting stuff. Then there's some's an interview at Angelo

Thomas Caston where they're talking the Dallas Police are talking

to him. They bring him in and they're questioning him,

and it turns out the FBI had previously interviewed Caston.

But when Dallas Police go to interview him, he's like,

I don't know what you're talking about. I never talked

to the FBI. So the FBI talked to somebody who

they thought was Angelo Thomas Caston, but Caston was like,

it wasn't me, So what's going on there? See there's

a thousand of these little weird things that happened on

the outskirts of the assassination that no one ever gets to,

Like the Angelo Thomas cast and then the Jack Todd stuff.

Those guys they were hoodlums connected to like Jack Ruby

and a bunch of other mobsters and stuff.

Speaker 1: Two questions, one on the coke story, but also just

about this oil operating thing. What does that Does that

tell you? Is that like a clue when you see

that as some kind of do you think they're really

oil operators? No?

Speaker 2: No, it's like that's like saying de Moorninshield was an

independent oil operator. Or that's like saying Demornshield was a geologist, right,

because that's where that's what it said on his thing

everywhere he went, or geologist, you know, geologists back then.

Speaker 3: I guess we're.

Speaker 2: Used in the oil business to determine whether or not

there was oil in a place.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: So there's a whole bunch of these things. When I

see independent oil operator, I see mafia or some kind

of corruption at that Dallas oil people level, you know.

But to be an independent oil operator, I think all

that meant was like it was like you paid some

money and you got a piece of an oil rig somewhere, right,

kind of like bitcoin cloud mining, right, someone else was

doing the work, but you're just paying a little bit

and getting something out of it. That's what I kind

of got from all the independent oil operator stuff. So

it's a good cover for a mobster.

Speaker 1: But by the way, by the way, you don't really

care much about dh Bird.

Speaker 2: Not really, I don't really care much about that whole

Texas oil people like. So I kind of concluded, like,

you got all kinds of heavy hitters in this and

with lots of money. The Dallas oil people, the Brown

Root Harriman people, all the people connected to the banking,

connected to Dulles. Right people are like, oh, all these

people were in on the assassination. Where where? Because I

can't find anywhere? Go ahead, and I dare you to

connect Lawrence Howard and these guys to any one of

these people. Well, that's a bad example, because you can

connect in the lesser logue and then lesterer log youn

connect to Hunt and whatnot. But for the most part,

you're never going to be able to draw a straight

line between any of these oil people or banking people

and a single shooter, not at all. So that what

that tells me is there was a separate contingent of

these oil people and the bankers and a whole bunch

of well, we'll just call them Illuminati people, okay, is

a whole contingent of people who were probably aware of

what went on and had some level of input to

the central body, which would have been Dallies and Angleton

and the connections of permandecks and so they might have

had input. But I don't put any of the oil

guys or the bankers in the chain of command of

the assassination whatsoever period. They're more like a perpendicular input system,

you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: How do you respond though, Okay? How do you respond

when someone says, all these guys, all these guys should

have talked, you know, and you have to understand probably well,

you can't speak generally. You have to take each individuals

as people. But these were guys who were good about

keeping their mouth shut.

Speaker 2: Yes, Now, why were they good at keeping their mouth shut?

Probably because they were afraid of getting killed. They're probably

afraid of getting killed. Well, here's another thing. You got

these guys like Hull, Howard and Seymour, more Howard and Seymour.

These guys were like, uh, these are diehard mercenary types,

you know. They truly believed that Kennedy was a communist

and he was going to destroy America and all this stuff.

It's kind of ironic because their motivation for wanting to

kill Kennedy is like the exact opposite of reality. You know,

Kennedy was the thing they were really afraid of. Kennedy

would have would have worked to prevent, which ultimately would

have been the rise of the State of Israel and

all this stuff connected to Israel ever since, right, And

those guys didn't have the benefit of historical context to

understand what was going on, you know what I mean,

Like if they had understood that killing Kennedy would have

led to the rise of Israel and how it took

over our country and is destroying the Middle East and

all that stuff, and you know, like these guys would

have been fully behind Kennedy to stop that from happening,

because the result is the opposite of what they wanted, right, Like,

completely and totally the socialization of America, the communization of

America took off after Kennedy, you know what I mean.

And so yeah, if those guys really understood the larger picture,

they would have been pro Kennedy and not against Kennedy.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get to the coke to my

coke story here for you. But I mean, Wasna where

they killed in your opinion because of what they knew

or that?

Speaker 3: I mean, that's a tough one.

Speaker 4: You know.

Speaker 2: You gotta think the mob has a ton going on,

and there's a lot of moving pieces and there's a

lot of there's a lot more going on than just Kennedy. Right,

And look, how many years was it that all these

guys got killed. It was like ten years later, twenty

way way later.

Speaker 3: Right, So the g and Conna was most likely killed. Well,

we know gian Conna was killed.

Speaker 2: It was inside job, right, his one of his better friends,

I forget his name, is most likely the guy who

pulled the trigger. There's a documentary on Giancanna's murder where

they talked to his his kids and stuff, and they're like, yeah,

we know what happened, we know who killed him, we

know why. He was kind of out of control and

it wasn't just Kennedy. I think gian Conna was a

little bit out of control and you know, he was

drinking his own kool aid. And the reality is that

Tonya Karta, you know, you got these guys who retire

from the mob, But they don't really retire. They kind

of go to these like ultra high level advisory positions

who really call the shots when things kind of go

off the rails. And I think Tonyakarta had Gi and

Kana killed, and so Roselli. I don't know enough about

the Roselli relationships that were going on at the time

to be able to say that he was killed because

of Kennedy, but it was all around the HSCA stuff.

When that popped up, right, that was when all these

people started getting killed. And trav traffic Coante got whacked too,

didn't he.

Speaker 1: I think traffic Kante actually survived because he didn't.

Speaker 3: He did seven.

Speaker 1: Now he could have been whack. But someone I've read

somewhere someone said, look who the last person is to

always kind of be alive, And you know that kind

of tells you who who survived at all. And I

think Marcello was the guy who lived outlived them. I

think he was ninety three and Trafacante was eighty seven.

Speaker 3: I think it's just so funny.

Speaker 2: I look at look at some of these people who

like had to worry and look over the shoulder the

rest of their life, and some people get killed like, honestly,

like David Ferry, I don't even to this day, I

don't have a goddamn clue what happened with Ferry.

Speaker 3: He could it could have been.

Speaker 2: He could have been killed, He could have been suicided,

He could have he could have killed himself. He could

have died in natural causes, because David Ferry was sick, sick,

sick when he when he ended up dying, right, So

did he actually kill him?

Speaker 1: The thing that?

Speaker 2: And then I look at like people like Jack Valenti

who got the ticket to Heaven. That guy got everything

he freaking wanted. He got to work for the White

House till sixty six, he takes over the MPAA, gets

a million dollar or salary in the nineteen seventies. I

mean the guy like that guy was rewarded. That guy

was rewarded.

Speaker 3: So how did they determine who got rewarded and who

got snubbed? You know that I don't know that question.

Speaker 1: I don't know. Have you ever have you seen the

death photos from Fairy's apartment? Perfect hair, very clean, he's

got his sheet of You know, do you think Fairy

could have been a double at some point? What do

you mean? Well, like Oswald, you're just not seeing the evidence.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a very distinct looking character. I mean,

i'd be really hard to pull off. But there is

a reference could be well obviously yeah, because it happened

at the Winterland. But so there's only one reference in

the Fairy file to he was seeing a doctor at

Loyola for treatment for that, and of course the doctor

was like the doctor's statement was like, oh, it had

nothing to do with the U tube planes, right, it

was clearly some kind of virus or something, which is ridiculous.

Fairy mentions and he doesn't say a name, but he

mentions there's another guy seeing his doctor for the same thing.

He had met another guy with the same problem, right,

and he never mentioned his name. So could somebody have

been impersonating But would you even need to get somebody

who has the same condition to impersonate him?

Speaker 3: No, because you had.

Speaker 2: Arcata do at all six foot of him, two hundred pound,

you know, with the with the red to pay. And

he pasted on some eyebrows, right, he didn't paint him on.

He pasted them on because they were fluffy and and

like they were big. Right, So yeah, it was very interesting.

Speaker 1: Well, you know his brother too, I being parmally essentially

a nuclear a rocket scientist basically. I mean, that's exactly

kind of what he was. And he had nu Mech

connections and the first nuclear sub he was part of.

You know. I got in touch with Parmey, one of

Parmeley's daughters, and she had a check with her siblings

and they declined. She was very congenial about it, but

she declined that they would be talking to me, that

they didn't know much, that they did not discuss David's life,

and they didn't know their uncle very well, she told me.

But the Parmeley ended up dying in Texas. I mean

I think he was, I forget where we're out Fort

Werth maybe, but just strange.

Speaker 3: Did he live a full life?

Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, complete opposite, completely opposite.

Speaker 2: So I wonder with situations like that, when you got

a guy David Ferry clearly working with CIA, probably all

the way back to forty seven, as per the witness

in Venice, Florida. Right, so he's probably tied up in

this whole scene. He's probably a YouTube test pilot. He's

got this long history with the CIA, but he's being blackmailed, right,

they have compromising stuff on him, if I'm not mistaken

the videos, but see the blackmail. If I'm putting this

together correctly, he had sex with this underage black girl.

Her name is in the Faery documents, and it was filmed,

and that was what I kind of got the impression

that that was what they were using to blackmail.

Speaker 3: But that came up way later. That didn't come up.

Speaker 2: Till sixty one or sixty two. So what was getting

him to do all the stuff prior to that? There

must have been something else. Just the fact that see

you go back. Have you ever watched the k Griggs

interview the Illuminati white Stuff?

Speaker 1: No?

Speaker 3: My god, Oh my god. I'm going to send this

to you as soon as we get done here.

Speaker 2: This is the most important video anyone could ever watch

when it comes to putting this historical era in context.

She was the wife of like a high up guy

in the Army intelligence and she tells all about the

Illuminati stuff, the brainwashing, the recruiting of gay guys because

they're easily to manipulate, and blackmail and all that stuff.

And so when I look at like David Ferry, was

it this they were blackmailing him? Over the fact that

he was gay because it was a crime in the

fifties and sixties, you know, you go to jail for

like ax against nature and stuff. And so I wonder

what kept him in that loop all the way, you know,

all the way back then. So it wasn't until later.

It wasn't until the late fifties, early sixties, maybe sixty

one that he started losing his hair and all that stuff.

Speaker 1: So it almost seems like he was like a pr

like he represent he was representing Eastern He was going

around as like, you know, would there be like a school,

you know, career day or something, and he'd be the

guy who'd show up as the pilot. And we have

there's a photo of that, for instance, you know, in

the newspaper clippings, and he's he's not exactly I mean,

he's not a great looking guy, but I mean he's

he's average.

Speaker 3: I mean, he's average out.

Speaker 1: But you know, compared to those arrests photos in those

early sixties, it's almost a different person, man. I mean,

And I'm wondering how much of the Eastern stuff was

cover for what he could do behind that.

Speaker 2: Screen, meaning like Eastern Airlines as a CIA contract, and

they were allowing him to go do CIA stuff while

he was allegedly on the payroll of Eastern AM.

Speaker 1: I looking see, I don't know.

Speaker 2: I don't know because I've read all the documents about

the investigation, all the Eastern Airlines investigation documents, Like that

thing was pretty damn thorough. I mean, why that was

super thorough. It was a thorough as a geinst It

was very intense. They had people sitting on his house

for months. That's where we get the David Ferry junior information, right,

he was in contact with the David Ferry junior when

I pulled David Fairry stuff. David Faerry Junior turns out

to be a lieutenant in the Marine Corps back in

sixty seven.

Speaker 3: That's all the information we have.

Speaker 2: Nothing else, Like, I can't find a single document on

this David Ferry Junior, Not in not in Ancestry, not

in fold three. None of the databases are getting the

David Ferry junior. But that was uncovered in the in

the in the Eastern Airlines investigation. Be a license plate

so that.

Speaker 1: There was a dependent right. He claimed a dependent named.

Speaker 3: Well when he was in forty nine, when he was

in Tampa. He was married with a kid.

Speaker 2: I think he was married with a kid in forty nine,

which would make sense because if he's seen at the

if he's seen at the Venice Airport in forty seven,

Tampa's only literally Tampa's about seventy miles north of that,

so I could see him spending that late nineteen forties.

Speaker 3: Era in Florida.

Speaker 2: But his tax return clearly shows he was married with

two dependents, meaning a wife and a kid.

Speaker 1: So it's very strange because he was I think the

address that the official address of his time down there

in Venice, Florida, you know, was the YMCA, and as

you know, well, as you know, but the YMCA typically

at that time being a haven.

Speaker 2: For morales charges, right, okay, right, But besides the YMCA,

he had he had a place on Zach Street in Tampa.

His address in Tampa was on Zach Street.

Speaker 1: Was that I thought that was the I thought that

was the YMCA.

Speaker 2: But well, I didn't know that he could live there

for like long periods of time. So right, Yeah, the

YMCA is another interesting thing because there's some definitely some

covert CIA stuff going on with that. Like Jack Valenti

sat on the board of the YMCA, the national YMCA,

and we know Jack Why.

Speaker 1: Jack Martin's known to have stayed at YMCAs. He talks

about that too. It's like a kind of like a

common thing.

Speaker 3: It's like what world is?

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I picture going to a YMCA, like I'm

poor and don't want to be homeless for the night,

so I go and I stay in this shitty little

place with a bunk smaller than an Oswald's room at

the boarding house. I just picture the floors are all

damp and nasty.

Speaker 1: And I thought you guys played basketball. That's what I

thought it was for.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I think once upon a time it was different though.

And see another thing.

Speaker 2: The other thing about Jack Valenti is he sat on

the board of at the same time YMCA and TWA

So what did that tell me? That told me he

could fly anywhere and stay wherever and not have a

record of it being a board member. I think that

could be pretty because board members could literally just walk

on a plane. Hey, I'm a board member, here's my thing,

and you just walk on a plane, right, So I

kind of feel like YMCA some of the airlines were

used as spy cover stuff that could leave like no record,

you know, just like Vincent CAULTHAGERHN Junior sat on the

board of the IMCA scuba program.

Speaker 3: How why how'd this come about?

Speaker 1: Yeah?

Speaker 3: It is so random.

Speaker 1: You know. What's interesting too is that we don't really

hear much about in any anyone that unless I'm wrong,

have you ever seen any kind of references to like

the boy Scouts or or yeah, like like that it'd

be something like Fairy would be perfect in and yet

when instead we get civil Air Patrol.

Speaker 2: Right, well, well, Fairiy's involvement with civil Air Patrol, I'm

convinced is because the Civil Air Patrol gave him access

to airplanes, access to airports. He could have a reason

why he's flying places because he's in the Civil Air Patrol.

When I believe that was like the a logistics aspect

of his child trafficking. Compare that to his meeting, Well,

he never actually met George Hyde, the Reverend George Hyde,

which is weird because.

Speaker 1: They were always trying to meet up or something if

you read the.

Speaker 2: Letter right right, they never actually met in person, and

but Faery mentioned him in his in his last will

and testament to be contacted. So what that tells me

is that these are And then when you dig into

George Hyde, all that Catholic church stuff was fake.

Speaker 3: It was all bs. It was all like the fake.

It was like the the ploma mill that Martin was running.

So what does that tell me?

Speaker 2: He's got access to a fucking pedophile network and he's

got access to airplanes. And when you go through the

David Ferry file, he was clearly having sex with these kids.

I mean, the files are pretty graphic. So that's what

I feel he was doing with Civil Air Patrol. It

was one hundred percent of child trafficking operation, which means

that David David Ferry was kind of like a pre

Epstein figure.

Speaker 1: Yeah, God, well, where else can we corroborate that in

terms of Legit just kind of coming down with certainty

that that was what was going on. I mean, is

there is there patterns of that happening elsewhere that you

know of what led you to the conclusion that that's

what it was going on, that this was for trafficking.

Speaker 3: Because it also it was all it all seemed fake.

Speaker 2: So once Faerry gets kicked out of the c AP

in like fifty what was it fifty eight or fifty

nine and then he and then he forms the flying

Falcon squadron, which was done with like forged charters, and

it was all fake. The churches were all fake. George

Hide's a fake reverend degree. I'm like, this is all

I'm like, this is all cover story, cover for what. Well,

he's flying kids around, what else could it be?

Speaker 1: You know?

Speaker 3: To me, it was about as common sense as it got.

Speaker 2: And so I'm very interested in that that network of

the Reverend Hide because that I feel like, if you

dig deep enough, that'll lead to other CIA connections elsewhere

that we'll be able to connect back to Ferry. So

but I'm convinced he was doing all that stuff.

Speaker 1: He was.

Speaker 2: An operator or for this network using the kids in

the Civil Air Patrol. But the funny thing is, like

the kids in the Civil Air Patrol, they all got interviewed. Well,

there was a ton that we don't know about prior

to the assassination era kids and we don't have any

statements or nothing, so we don't have any actual evidence

of this. A lot of the kids who were molested

by David Ferry never mentioned being molested by anyone else,

which is weird. But there's a lot of reasons why

that could be. But the whole thing just seemed that

everything was obviously fake about it, right from the from

the fake charters to the fake churches to the fake

reverend uh And to me that just screamed of child trafficking,

because that's what David Ferry was into.

Speaker 1: But I mean, why, what what was Why what would

the intelligence? What would be the point of it? What's

the I don't get it.

Speaker 3: I don't get I don't get it either.

Speaker 1: Flying kids around to where and for for like to

to like high elites, you know, for whatever reason.

Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think that for some reason that

seems to be to this very day an issue and

I don't know why.

Speaker 3: I don't know why. People want to fuck it doesn't

make any sense to me whatsoever.

Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know when when he got that, when

he went up to Stanley in Louisville with Martin to

get the ordination in Stanley's church, and he was eventually

excommunicated from that church, as you know, and it's in

the files the Bull, the Bull of excommunication from Stanley.

He lists Banister and a bunch of others who were

who who Ferry had probably by proxy managed to to

get them ordained by pro you know, on paper at least,

because they're listed in the excommunication. And I went through

these names on who was among because I didn't recognize them,

you know, they're not really you're you're common. I mean

have a banister of course, and Martins on their fairies

on there. But I reached out to at least one

to one son of the one of the names that's

on that list. Anyway, it comes back that they were

Eastern Airlines guys, that were at least two Eastern Airlines

guys as I recall. So it just made me wonder, like, dude,

I don't know, I don't know why, but was that again,

was that cover? Was that a way to help him

during this the FAA investigation man is just so intense

into Faery.

Speaker 2: Yeah, there's and there's a couple guys who were with

Eastern Airlines who lived with Ferry in the late fifties

and early sixties, like Jimmy Johnson who worked for Eastern Airlines.

He lived with Ferry for a while. And I know

Ferry had a second or second or a third roommate

who was from Eastern Airlines, so to who knows what

degree they were in. But at this point in time,

it's pretty obvious big corporations like this have some sort

of CIA connection and do shady shit.

Speaker 1: Well, I know you're not totally into the whole idea

of the Rockefellers, you know, kind of managing or overseeing

some of these guys, But you know the fact that

the Eastern Airlines Building Company ultimately was out of the

Rockefeller Center and Nelson effectively running his own intelligence operation

as the coordinator of the Office of Information or whatever

during the war.

Speaker 2: He was so Nelson Rockefeller ended up being in charge

of Latin America. And who worked for Nelson Rockefeller directly

at one point William god Day, William god Day in

New Orleans, who at this point in sixty three is

working for Joe Anitas. Right, I'm telling you Godday is

one of the most important key people in this whole story,

and he gets overlooked like crazy. I mean, that's the

guy who's behind so much of the setup. He's the

kind of operator who we're looking for. We're looking for

more operators of this type who are actual working for

the CIA and moving pieces around, and Gaday is like

top of the list for me. He's the guy who

directly got Oswald on television, probably at the behest of

George jo Nitas, who was in New Orleans that summer. Right, Oh,

I found one. I got one more document I want

to share reference to the Koch story.

Speaker 1: Good, let me just share this one real quick. You

want you want me to go first? Or do you

want to do you have it? Yeah?

Speaker 3: Let me go ahead and read this real quick. This

is a statement from Fritz. I think this.

Speaker 2: I think Fritz wrote this, and this was distributed to like,

if I'm not mistaken, I think this went to the

radio stations and stuff, right, okay?

Speaker 3: So JW.

Speaker 2: Fritz December twenty third, sixty three, page two, while we

were still searching the building, mister Roy truly, it's got

an address reported to us that one of his men

went missing, a Lee Harvey Oswald. Well that's a lie,

because no less than five or six people left that day.

So Oswald wasn't the only one on whose addresses And

he's got look at this twenty five to fifteen West

fifth Street. He has the address of Ruth Payne. Okay,

because that's where he was really living. He wasn't living

at the boarding houses. We also found this man had

been stopped by Officer Baker while coming down the stairs. Okay,

this is Fritz, this is the boss, and he's acknowledging

that he was stopped while coming down the stairs. Mister

Baker says that he stopped this man on the third

or fourth floor on the stairway, but mister truly identified

him as an employee and he was released. After seeing

this man was apparently running, Two of the detectives and

myself left the building and same to the office for

an identification check and other information and soon found that

he was the same man who had shot Officer Tippet.

Speaker 3: Okay, so here we have.

Speaker 2: Fritz confirming the story from Baker that he stopped them

between the third and fourth floors and that this man

who he says here was Oswald. He identifies him as Oswald. Right,

one of his men went missing, Elee Harvey Oswald, and

then he found So he's identifying this man as Lee

Harvey Oswald, but he doesn't mention the light brown jacket.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: So this man is clearly not Oswald. It's clearly William Seymour.

William Seymour. So the series of events as I see it,

the assassination goes down, the power gets turned back onto

the building by William Shelley. You got Sergei Arcocia comes

down from the roof to the sixth floor. He gets

in the elevator, comes down to the first floor. Do

you then have Laurence Howard Sergei Arcocia come out of

the elevator. Lauren Hall stays in the building for some

reason for three more minutes, don't know why.

Speaker 1: And then.

Speaker 2: The three of them exit into into daily Plaza. Two

of them leave out the back door Richard Rnoff Carci's

two of them, including a Latin, leaving the station wagon.

William Seymour walks into the railroad yards where he's captured

in the Robert Hughes film. He then walks back in

the book depository, goes up to the sixth floor, comes

down the stairs where he's wearing his light brown jacket,

and he gets stopped by Baker and truly Utimate Lee

twelve thirty nine. He's let go from these guys. He

continues down the stairs, leaves the building exactly two forty

gets in the Green Nash rambler driven by Lawrence Howard.

Lawrence Howard, how do we know that Lawrence Howard was

driving that Green Nash Rambler. Well, I will show you

right here this is how we know this. Let me

go ahead and share screen.

Speaker 3: Okay, So.

Speaker 2: This is the photograph on the left, taken of a

man who was detained, yelled in Spanish, and then he

was let go. This is in numerous parts of the story,

especially involving Roger Craig. It's clearly Lawrence Howard.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Speaker 2: The only problem I have with this whole story is

that I can't seem to fit it into any timeline.

When you look at the same as of Richard Randolph

car these guys come out of the back of the

book depository, they get right into the Green Nash Rambler,

they circle the block. Then a couple of minutes later

they'll be back to pick up William Seymour, who runs

down the side of the building. Then they had to

oak Cliff. I cannot fit this photograph on the left

into any timeline period, but it's clearly Lawrence Howard. So

I don't understand how this even I don't understand this

at all, makes no sense at all.

Speaker 3: But what does it do?

Speaker 2: It shows that Lawrence Howard was clearly the man who

was seized by police and let go, right, because that's

part of the story. Even Roger Craig perpetuates that story.

I don't know where he heard that story from, but

I can't fit into a timeline. But nonetheless that's Lawrence

Howard all right.

Speaker 1: So question was that Nash Rambler a Texas vehicle?

Speaker 2: It is said that it had a Texas plate. But

we know that they're doing license plate swaps because we

have the whole thing with Carl mathers Gray Plymouth that

will be seen the license plate for Carl Mathers' Plymouth

will be seen on a red Ford Falcon later owned

by Igor Waganov. So they're doing license plate swaps, right,

So we can't really trust. The only license plate that

I would like to say I can trust is the

one that went through the back of the parking lot

seen by Lee Bowers, that had a Georgia license plate.

Now why is that important to me that there was

a car that went through there with a Georgia license plate? Well,

because I placed dave Yarris as the shooter between the

pargola and the fence, the one edited out of the

Knicks film. I believe he shot I believe he missed.

I believe that shot ended up in the grass, and

that was the shot that was dug out of the

grass and never seen again. That I believe came from

Dave Yaris. Dave Yarris I put in cahoots with a

guy named David Leon Miller and Isadoor Max Miller. It's

a whole, big, long story one day, we'll get into that.

But David Leon Miller was said to have been one

of the shooters by a guy named Mary and Meharg.

But when you dig into David Leon Miller, guess what

turns out he didn't live in Dallas anymore. He had

moved a couple months previously. And where'd he go Atlanta, Georgia.

And he was definitely an associate of David Dave Yaris

and what's Dave Yarris's birth name, Dave Miller. Okay, so

we got Dave Yaris using the and see also during

that weekend of the assassination, you got two guys, David

Leon Miller and isadoora Max Miller who allegedly rented a

place from Bertha Cheek right next to the Carousel Club. Okay,

but that's not possible because those guys were in Georgia

the whole time. When you dig into those guys, they

never left Georgia, so somebody was using their names. And

then when you dig into like the book makers in Dallas,

I found this one article that said that Lenny Patrick,

Oh no, no, it said that Isadora Max Miller was

the top book maker in Dallas.

Speaker 3: Well that's not true.

Speaker 2: The top book maker in Dallas was handled through Ralph Paul,

and that was handled by Chicago. And who was in

Chicago Lenny Patrick, Right, And so there's just too many

coincidences that revolved around the David Leon Miller isador Max

Miller stuff in as far as the Dave Yaris and

Lenny Patrick stuff, because I put them clearly in Dealey

Plaza that day.

Speaker 1: It would the rodeo, not at all, not at all.

But what how would you know though, that he would

have been edited out of Nicks if how would how

do you know that?

Speaker 2: Well, because the original Knicks film didn't show the Pergola area.

They clipped it. They clipped it. It wasn't until the

last decade or so that the undercut version comes out

and it shows the whole thing, and it. So there's

something really strange. When you look at z the Pruter,

there are people like frozen in place, right the guy

in the apron when the limo goes by, he's talking

to a big, tall black guy. They never look at

the President's limo. They still are looking down the block

and they're like frozen in So. I don't know if

this is some sort of technique that can freeze things

in place on film when you edit it or something,

But I see the same thing in the Knicks film.

It looks like there's somebody with their back turned running

to the back, but they're frozen in time. So but

either way, I feel like I have a picture of

Dave Yarris in the DCA film. He's walking behind there,

big tall guy with a kind of a hunchback. So

but yeah, that's the connection to Georgia. And that's the

only reason I hope that the license plate to Georgia

is correct, because that would to me that kind of

implies the David Leon Miller connection, meaning Dave Yaris went

up to Atlanta, borrowed a car, and then drove to Dallas.

Speaker 3: That's kind of how I'm looking at that.

Speaker 2: Dave, Dave Yaris and Lenny Patrick will end up in

Chicago a week after the assassination.

Speaker 3: That's another thing. When you dig through the files on

these guys, they're not in the JFK files.

Speaker 1: Is in the MOB files.

Speaker 2: You'll find that they were tracking these all They had

dead phone taps, they had tracker. I mean, they knew

where all these guys were all the time. They lost

track a Lennie Patrick and Dave Yaris about a week

before the assassination, both the guys disappeared, they didn't know

where they were, and then both of them turned up

in Chicago a week after the assassination.

Speaker 3: Right, So that to me is another dead giveaway. And

it also goes to show.

Speaker 2: The hierarchy and the structure, right because like all the

top BOB bosses had to throw people in, Gi and

Kana Trafficante Marcelo, that was it.

Speaker 3: Those are the guys who all threw people in.

Speaker 1: You do support that notion.

Speaker 2: So Marcelo threw in his whole New Orleans crew Dave Ferry, Right,

and where the see here you have some some parallel

lines chain of command because you obviously have the chain

of command from perm Index to the CIA to Clay

Shaw to David Ferry. But then you have the mob bosses. Right,

you got Ben Gurion's relationship directly with Mayor Lansky, which

would then filter down to the three bob bosses, Giancanna, Trafficante.

And if you look into the history of Jack Valenti,

Jack Valenti's family worked under Trafficante in Tampa. So I'm

convinced Jack Valenti was sent by Traffacante. And when you

dig into some of the stuff about No Name key

and ZR rifle, you'll find that. So I've said this before,

but Otto Skorzeny, he made a statement that the shooter

on the knoll went by Max and z with the

two names he went by, then you have a trafficante.

Then you have a ZR rifle file where Trafficante introduces

a hit man named Max to Sturgis. Okay, Sturgis then

has Max come down to No Name key where he

meets a guy named Pierre, who I'm putting two and

two together on was qj Win Jean Pierre Lafitte, Right,

And in this they use alias's Rosanny and Rosanoff. These

are the two most important aliases in the entire assassination.

If anybody can figure out Rosane and Rosanoff who those

people were, it'll fill in some of the biggest blanks

connecting Jack Valenti to this whole plot. So I forget

your initial question, but yes, I totally believe it came

in from Mayra Lansky. It went to the three Mob bosses,

and they all had to contribute people, which would include Baker,

Robert Bernard Baker, Dave Yaris, and Lanny Patrick. And then

you got the Cleveland guys thrown in by New York,

which includes Leo Masseri and Danny Green.

Speaker 3: And then you got See.

Speaker 2: I don't know where Vincent Caldigerrown Junior would fit into

this because I don't know about his MOB connection. Well

I do know about his Texas Mob connections, but he

was more CIA naval intelligence than he was in MOB.

I can't really find a lot of MOB stuff except

his gun running. He was doing a lot of gun

running in the seventies, so I don't know if that

was connected to the MOB or CIA or But see,

it's hard to separate these organizations at this time. They're

the same fucking organization. You can't separate the Israelis, the CIA,

and the mafia in sixty three. They're bosom buddies, you know.

Speaker 1: Speaking of which I think it bears mentioned. You know

that it can't just be a coincidence that the rate,

the sitting Attorney General at the time, had spent so

much effort to take on basically these same guys with McClellan,

and we see that he wrote a book called The

Enemy Within RFK. So my point is was he was

RFK continuing his attack against against organized crime as a g.

Speaker 3: I mean after the assassination as as.

Speaker 1: Attorney general during the administration, was he as was he

as a gung ho as and JFK sat on that

McClellan committee as a senator. We've seen that hoffa interaction

with with with Kennedy, So you know, I mean that

it's it's not a smoking gun, but man, that's clearly

a battle going on between forces there.

Speaker 2: That which is which really took the mob by surprise

because Joe Kennedy went to g and Kanna and basically

they stole three ballot boxes for Kennedy. Nixon should have

won that election. There's a book about it. It's called

Ballot Box two h one or something like that. There's

a whole book written on this story. The Kennedy stole

the election. Kennedy never should have won. His father went

to Giancana g and Conna and his mob guys in Chicago.

They stole the ballot boxes and put Kennedy in office.

So you have to think Joe Kennedy probably said, hey,

help us out here and we'll leave you alone kind

of stuff, right, some kind of deal. But Joe Kennedy man,

he was going out and making deals for John Kennedy

that John Kennedy never wanted to agree to. He went

out and was cutting deals with some of these Shabbat

organizations and the Israelis and all these Jews in New York,

and then Kennedy was like, what the fuck you?

Speaker 3: What what right? But he had no choice. He had

to roll with it.

Speaker 2: Then he gets in power and he basically burned everybody, right,

all the people who put him in power, he burned financially,

and then Robert Kennedy goes after the mob. So everybody

got screwed by the Kennedy's. Everybody who put him in

office got screwed, which is hilarious. The irony is overwhelming.

You know the fact that he stole the ol then

he gets killed. Never should have been there in the

first place, Like it's a comedy of errors.

Speaker 1: Yeah no, I well, let me ask you this. Geraldine Reid,

a clerical supervisor at the book Depository. This is Jeff

Caufield again witnessed Oswald with the coke. Reid told the

Warren Commission that she had eaten lunch in the second

floor lunch room at twelve o'clock. She went outside early

to watch the president's motor cade. She was standing with

Roy truly when the shots rang out. She went back

into the building to a large office in front of

and connected to the second floor lunch room. She saw

Oswald enter the office from the rear door, and estimated

two minutes after the rifle shots and just after Oswald's

encounter with Officer Baker. In her testimony to the Warren Commission,

Reid told him that she remarked to Oswald, quote, oh,

the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him.

Oswald mumbled something and kept walking. He was very calm.

She stated, he had gotten a coke and was holding

it in his hands, and I guess the reason and

impressed me seeing him in there. I thought it was

a little strange that one of the warehouse boys would

be up in the office at the time, not that

he had done anything wrong.

Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me let me pause real quick. She

just called him a warehouse boy, which is weird because

the warehouse was still over at the dal Techs. It

was still across the street. Guys like Ed Shields worked

in the warehouse section, So why would she call him

a warehouse guy? Was he not normally inside the book depository.

That would be interesting to find out.

Speaker 3: Okay, But so the top, go ahead.

Speaker 1: We're at the floors of a certain amount of floors.

Was it five and six TSBD? Were those considered? Wasn't

that considered like the warehouse quote unquote.

Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I know that the warehouse was.

They called it the warehouse across the street. Like guys

who worked across the street, they said work at the warehouse.

So she might have been referring it to to that.

But here's the thing. We have another person, Carolyn Walters,

who she made a couple of different statements. She first

stated that she saw Oswald eating his lunch in the

second floor a lunch room, and he was drinking a coke.

But she said this happened to twelve fifteen. This happened

way earlier. Later she will change her statements to say

that it happened to twelve twenty five. Right, So we

have some obviously here we have conflicting information. Now, what

I would say is that if she saw Oswald and

he was drinking a coke, that could not have happened

after the assassination. And if it was after the assassination,

it would have had to have been ten minutes after

the assassination as he's leaving the building. I don't see how,

because here's the deal. So Oswald is the way I see.

It's William Seymour in the building. He's guarding the elevators.

That's and I believe that because Carolin Walter says she

sees him on the first floor the two times she

gives her twelve fifteen and twelve twenty five. Though, does

that tell me he's downstairs while the assassination's about to happen.

That tells me he's guarding the elevators, because the elevators

the power has been killed, right powers off to the elevator,

So he's down there doing something on that first floor

ensuring everything's okay by twelve thirty three. Well, let me

rephrase that by twelve thirty one with I'd say within

thirty seconds of the assassination, you have Vicky Adams comes

down the stairs. She sees Bill Shelley, Bill Lovelady by

the power box. Clear to me, William Shelley turned the

power back onto the building. This is approximately twelve thirty

and thirty seconds twelve thirty one tops. Where's Oswald? We

don't see him at this point. She rushes out the

back door. After she goes out the back door, Lawrence

Howard and Arcata come down in the elevator. They go

rushing out the back door. The two of them leave

in the station wagon. William Seymour goes into Daily Plaza

where he's captured in the Hughes film. He comes back

in and then you have Lauren Hall leave out the

back door, seen by Velma and two or three other witnesses.

This is where he ditches his thirty hot six rifle

that was traced back to Richard Hathcock. It's found by

the Long Crew the next day, allegedly. I don't know

if that if I believe that story or not, but

that's it exactly twelve thirty three. So I don't know

how she could have possibly seen Oswald within a minute

or two drinking a coke If your guarding the elevators

because the assassination's happening, are you worried about a coke?

Speaker 1: No?

Speaker 2: Now, do I believe that Carolyn Walter just could have

seen Oswald or William Seymour in the lunch room drinking

a coke earlier? One hundred percent twelve fifteen, twelve ten, definitely, So, just.

Speaker 1: To reiterate, well, to me, the whole the Book Depository

is like almost the biggest distraction because of what was

going on all around it. It it only needed to

be accomplished to pin everything on on this phantom called Oswald.

I don't think they expected to actually pull off an

assassination from them there, right, I mean, why wouldn't you

just do it before he makes the turn anyway? You know?

So all that had to have been a coordinated thing

to pin it down on the patsy. That's it wasn't

to actually kill somebody.

Speaker 2: To me, what do you think, I don't know that

any of the shots from the Book Depository were meant

to kill anybody I believe. I don't even know that

Lawrence Howard fired out that window. No one can really

say for sure that fire shots were fired outside that window.

People saw the rifle poking out, But I don't believe

John Brennan or any of those people who said that he.

Speaker 3: Fired shots from there.

Speaker 1: Uh.

Speaker 2: Plus, you got the tree in the way and all

that stuff. I believe the shots that came from Lauren

Hall on the other side of the building were the

shots that hit John Connolly because the angles on that

one were really more vertical. But to me, the most

important shooters were Santana at the Daltechs, who delivered at

minimum minimum three shots to Kennedy, besides the ones that

hit the curb and inside the limousine and all that,

and the shooters at the grassy Knoll.

Speaker 3: So I think those are the main the main shots.

Speaker 1: What what, by the way, Millie is Santana? How do

you conclude that this was this individual? Was that man? Right? So?

Speaker 2: Okay, so this is this is why. So we know

that him and Arcotcha were on the way to Dallas

from the Rochermy incident. They're clearly on the way to

Texas to kill the president. Definitely involved in David Ferry circles.

Uh and they were definitely working for the CIA. Okay,

both of.

Speaker 3: Them are confirmed working for the CIA. So around.

Speaker 2: Twelve, I don't know, twelve fifty ish something like that,

you get a bolo out over the radio. So at

this time I'm looking for I pretty much pluged in

all my shooters except for the shooter on the roof

of the Book Depository, which was confirmed by Dallas Police Department.

They said there was a rifle was left up there,

a Mauser was left up there, so we know there

was a shooter there, and I knew there was a

shooter at the dal Text. So I'm left with two

people and two positions.

Speaker 3: This was where I was.

Speaker 2: I had two shooting positions left, one on the roof,

one at the Daltek's underneath the fire escape. And then

I remembered that the bolo went out where they're looking

for a guy approximately thirties, black hair, and he's carrying

a guy I think they said it was like a

Winchester rifle or something like that. Where could that description

possibly have come from? And then I realized that if

someone saw somebody like that in Daily Plaza, they would

call it in and there would be a ten to

fifteen minute delay before that information made it to the radio.

So who fits that description of a man about thirties

with black hair. I think they have a height about

five ten or five eleven something like that, which is correct,

and he was last seeing in the area of Elman, Houston.

That to me, it's vague, but it's got enough connecting.

It's got enough connections there where the police would not

discard it. Right, a police investigation who was doing a

legitimate investigation would not discard that. They would take that

information and they would try to link it to a shooter. Fortunately,

we have a shooter that matches that description. That description

is matched by Emi Santana. Plus we know that Arcaca

and Santana made their way to Dallas, but Arcaca left

to go to Houston, and he didn't take Santana with him.

He took the two boys with him and possibly Vincent

called the grown junior. So he goes to Dallas with Santana,

but he leaves without him. This to me corresponded with

the willis Tenfhoto the guy who got arrested wearing all

in black. The bolo went out all that stuff the

bolo went out delayed. The information was probably called out

about the same time someone saw him getting down and

running north on Houston. They made their way to a

phone they call it. In ten to fifteen minute delay,

that information goes out and is often connected to the

Tippitt shooting. People try to say that the tip of

shooting description was the guy who was thirty with black hair,

But no, that's wrong. It had to do with the

witness in Daly Plaza. That's how I put Santana. There

is it enough to gain beyond all reasonable doubt?

Speaker 1: No?

Speaker 3: Is it enough for probable cause one hundred percent?

Speaker 1: So what is the closest event that you can can

say and you connect that you what's the closest event

akin to what happened in Dealey Plaza in all of

your study?

Speaker 3: That that that oh, you know the SMA, Yes, the

Sermac assassination.

Speaker 1: But okay, go ahead. I mean you don't have to

tell us. I think the audience probably knows what you're

talking about. But does that could that does that that

strike you more as like an RFK type event, that

the way Cirmac was shot than then Kennedy, than than

than John.

Speaker 2: Possibly if you're meaning that two shooters. The shooter who

gets caught is not the shooter who did the shooting. Actually, yeah,

I can see that. But to me, I just kind

of lump all these together because they're the same, you know,

uh Loan Patsy, loan gunman Patsy, all connected to the mob,

you know, But you gotta think, uh sermac was purely

a mob operation that didn't have anything to do with intelligence.

That was before intelligence, which tells you that the format

for this assassination was on before the CIA ever came

ever came around. The mob had been doing this for

who knows how long, you know. And I'm sure that

there were other assassinations they did that they pulled off

like this.

Speaker 1: Well, I'm thinking of a few like the Folk Bernadotte

and other massade assassinations that transpired. Particularly you remember Spielberg's Munich.

The whole thing is about hunting down perpetrators to the

you know, to the seventy two Olympics, right, you know.

And there's the book by Ronan Bergmann Rise and Killed

First about all the there's like a whole school of

assassins that that that's out there, that that that this

is what they do, So the template has to have

existed somewhere a format that the playbook is out there. Right, Yeah,

there's too much going on for Deally Plaza to be

a one off event. Yeah, okay, I just want to

be I just kind of want to make that clear

that this wasn't so the coornation and the way the

vanishing act that that we that it's seen. I mean,

it's just it's anyway, what else do we have? Corey?

Speaker 2: All Right, So one last thing, and this is kind

of I wasn't going to include this, but I figured

I'd go ahead and do it anyway because people still

don't understand this one.

Speaker 3: But JD. Tippett, when you go over his timeline tip,

it allegedly allegedly.

Speaker 2: Goes into like a store and takes somebody into custody

at like twelve twenty two or something ridiculous like that,

and then he lets him go, which is weird. Like

as a police officer, if you got and you do

something and you're like, hey, I'll be out at this store,

and then a couple of minutes later you call someone

in custody, and then a couple minutes later you say

they're out of custody, and then you just go about

your business. You're gonna have someone come to you and

ask what the hell's going on?

Speaker 1: What are you doing?

Speaker 2: Right, there's gonna be some kind of follow up on

what your activity is. But that old story seems to

be completely bunk, because it is pretty clear to me

that tipp It is clearly standing right here on Houston

Street at the time of the assassination, right here on

the left. I've pulled every single possible picture of tipp

It and that's exact that's him. He wore a uniform

that has this little like thing on the collar, a

little like little square thing on the collar, and then

he has no patch, and that's him. And so the

whole story about most people try to dig up where

tip It was all day in Austin's barbie.

Speaker 1: And all that.

Speaker 2: I don't even bother with all that stuff. We know

that he was connected to the assassination plot through David Ferry,

who he will then meet after this happens.

Speaker 3: What does he do.

Speaker 2: He walks back behind the book depository, he gets in

his car, and then he confronts David Ferry, who's still

in the parking lot. Probably around twelve thirty two to

twelve thirty three. He says, I said move that car

because he knows the car David Ferry is driving is

Carl Mather's gray Plymouth Velma. Then says they leave and

they go around another building and they meet back there.

The only other building that could have been was have

been into Daltext and then from there him and David

Ferry split up, and Tippett will go to the Glocos

station where he will wait and eventually we all know

what happens then and he gets shot by Carry Thornley

and David Ferry. But this should put an end to

all of the speculation on where tip it was and

if he was a shooter or any of that stuff.

Speaker 1: Do you get pushed back when you show this to folks?

Speaker 2: Not usually on the Tippet stuff. Not usually on the

Tipet stuff. Yeah, because it's pretty obvious that's him, I mean,

unless there's another guy who looks identical to tip At

working for the Dallas Police who wears the same uniform. Sorry, No,

That's why I guess I get so pissed off Sometimes

Skill I'll be like, well, people will be like, well,

you can't say with certainty that that's that guy. I'll

be like, oh, really, so this is complete coincidence, a

guy who looks just like him, maybe slightly different, in

the same place, same time, same everything, But it's not him.

Speaker 3: Bullshit.

Speaker 2: Okay, If it walks like a duck and a quacks

like a duck, odds are it's a duck. So if

you find a picture of somebody who's not supposed to

be somewhere and they are, then obviously then they're out

of place, and that should be a hint that you're

on the right track.

Speaker 1: And so would you mind showing that photo again? Yeah? Sure.

You said earlier in our in our discussion today that

those who populated Dealey Plaza knew what was going on.

Are you saying these dozens of folks here, these ladies

and all that they knew what was going on?

Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. One hundred percent.

Speaker 2: And my con well, first off, I'm not the only

I'm not the first person who's come to this conclusion.

Ryan Dawson has done more defensive work on the what

he calls the costume people, although he's never talked about

it publicly except you've talked about it with me. But

you have all these people here in costumes. Look at

this little Look at the family next to tippet. You

got a kid wearing like a gray long vest with

like black stripes on it. You have a dad who's

wearing a hat that looks like a Bobby's hat from

like a police in the UK. And then you have

a woman here who's got a you can tell she

has a cape around her neck, right, you can see

it right here. And then she's a little girl here

who's wearing some sort of fully black something black robe

or cape or something, and she's hugging the bomb. This

is a family of four and they're all wearing costumes. Why,

I don't know. Here you have one, two and one

right here, three three rabbis all wearing Purim ceremonial robes. Okay,

you can see the purple robe this is right. Here

is a patch on the shoulder, a big tall hat

with gold inlay, and a big open white white collar. Okay,

this is Purim ceremony stuff. Remember the recent attacks on Iran,

they started on Purim. Why did they started them out?

Why did they start the attacks against Iran on Purim?

Because on Purim you're allowed to commit a ritual sacrifice.

Speaker 1: Okay.

Speaker 2: Purim and Yam Kapor are the two times that Jews

are allowed to commit a ritual sacrifice. Even though the

temple has been destroyed. And this is one of the

darkest secrets of Judaism. They still commit ritual sacrifice. There's

two times a year that they can do it. And

on Purim they're allowed to kill an adult male Catholic. Okay,

And it's also the Jewish Halloween Catholic. Yes, and so

that is that's it.

Speaker 3: And look at it.

Speaker 2: Look at the turquoise color. You see this turquoise color.

Go look at any pictures of a Purum celebration. You'll

find this turquoise color everywhere. You got one, two, three.

Someone's standing here with the turquoise someone right here, just

turqoise all over this. All these people know what the

fuck's happening in daily Plaza.

Speaker 3: They're all in on this.

Speaker 2: This is a big symbolic Purim ceremony. Now why is

it symbolic because this is November. Purim is in like March.

Speaker 3: Right.

Speaker 2: If they do this, they maintain the religiosity and they

and it's their way of not pissing off God because

they think that you can get around God, and it's

not going to piss them off. I mean, that's that's

how these people think, So that's why they do this.

I'm convinced that you will find these people at every

assassination period, all the assassinations, you'll find Jews and these

pureum outfits, including Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King. I've dug

through these pictures, can't find them. I know they're there somewhere,

So so that's something we should put to bed. He

was most certainly on Houston Street at the time of

the assassination. All his location before that are kind of irrelevant.

Speaker 1: Wow.

Speaker 3: Very disturbing, Yes, yes, very disturbing.

Speaker 2: But you see, nobody should be shocked or surprised anymore

because of what's going on in Palestine and what's going

on in Iran, and when you look at the attitude.

I mean, there was a report came out two days

ago that Israeli IDF murdered children by slitting their throats

and then throwing them in a mass grave. These are fucking, vile,

disgusting pieces of human filth. And then then then then

this leads to this always leads to the Hitler conversation

because this guy Hitler knew.

Speaker 3: About all this stuff.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 3: This is not intrinsic to Zionists.

Speaker 2: This is Jewish, this is Jewish lore. Okay, So people

always try to put a label on it, which you can't.

Speaker 1: Do You think the idef then was in dey Plaza?

Speaker 3: Yes?

Speaker 1: Yes, because of yes the folks here or is there another? No?

Speaker 3: So here? He right?

Speaker 2: But here's where Here's what I'll do. Here's what I'll

say about that. Lee Bauer's the tower man. He said

that he saw men in uniforms that he initially thought

were police but realized they weren't. There's also a picture

after the assassination behind the grassy knoll and in the

distance you see a group of men standing there, but

you really got to zoom in on it to see

what's going on. It's a group of rabbis and a

bunch of men in what look like military uniforms with

the flat hat that looks like a police hat, you know,

the police New York hat that's like flat on top,

like they're all wearing that hat. That's what I believe

that Lee Bauer saw, and I can't think of any

other organization that would be wearing uniforms like that that

weren't police in Daley Plaza, And why would they wear

the uniforms because they have to gloat.

Speaker 3: They have to gloat.

Speaker 1: So one of the things that we would probably need

to maybe put on your certainty list at some point

is Jack Ruby's obvious knowledge, if not complicity, if not

scheming himself on what was going on. Corey.

Speaker 2: Well, once you understand the relationship between him and his

brother Samuel, and that Samuel was impersonating him the whole weekend,

and that Jack had dipped to Galveston to take black

men back to the Galveston Port to get on his boat,

You're like, oh my god, he was in on everything.

You're not gonna help. You're not gonna help people who

were involved escape to their getaways if you weren't involved.

Of course he was a and who Okay, So here's

another thing with Dave Yaris. We know Dave Yarris was

in Dallas because he was checked into the cabana in

the night before. Is Murray Miller. So when you dig

into the Miami Teamsters Union, it was run by a

guy named Murray Miller. Guess what, there is no Murray

Miller Murray Miller is Dave Yaris using an alias. Okay,

that alias was checked in the night before at the

cabana end. And who was at the caban in that night?

Speaker 3: Jack Ruby?

Speaker 2: Jack Ruby went there to meet with everybody, right, Braden Yarris,

a bunch of other guys, uh, Lawrence and Edward Meyer,

and we're there, you know. I mean it was a

who's who are mobsters at the cabana And the cabana

was owned by Hoffa's crew, you know, so that's what

New Jersey mob. So Tony pro and those guys.

Speaker 1: There was that woman that gene.

Speaker 4: Ace a sEH yeah a phone call to Yeah, so

Ferry makes that phone call the jean Ace's apartment.

Speaker 2: Jean Ace is the girlfriend of Meyer and the building

was owned by another mob guy.

Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, it's a weird twisted tale.

Speaker 2: But like I try to emphasize to these people, I

try to emphasize, all these people knew each other man

like the mafia, the CIA guys, like the FBI guys,

like they all knew each other. This is not this

is these are bosom buddies.

Speaker 1: Right. So, and you did you ever see the Brad

Pitt baseball movie Moneyball, Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3: It's great.

Speaker 1: It's a great movie. And you know, he sends Jonah Hill,

He's like, you want to experience, you got to go

and fire these guys, and Jonah Hill has to learn

how to do that right. You're uncomfortable doing that. But

when it comes down to David Justice, who was the

superstar and the a's at that time, what does Brad

Pitt say. He says, I'll do it. He's got to

go and do that that particular firing, and that to

me says when Ruby had to go and shoot Oswald,

I'll do it. Why because I'm guy who has to

do it, Because I'm the one who's been around this

whole thing from the beginning. I gotta do it right.

I gotta take the floor. That's what I'm thinking. Man.

Speaker 2: Well, see, I don't think so on that. I don't

think so as far as that goes. I think what

happened there was that Oswald was supposed to die in

the Texas Theater.

Speaker 3: So there's a lot of.

Speaker 2: There's a lot of shenanigans when you go through and

read what Happened in the Texas Theater. One thing I

can tell you with certainty that did happen. They say

that Oswald pulled the gun. I don't buy that for

a second. Oswald didn't have a gun, He didn't own

a gun. We have no evidence Oswald ever ordered or

owned a gun. That gun ended up on the floor. Okay,

So they say Oswald even witnesses that. We had a witness,

George Applin, who was in the theater, said that Oswald

he saw Oswald with the.

Speaker 3: Gun in his hand. But I don't buy that. I

buy that it was they were fighting over it. Okay.

Speaker 2: I believe the gun was pulled out. Oswald probably grabbed

it and got his hand caught in the in the mechanism,

and that's why it didn't fire.

Speaker 3: From there.

Speaker 2: The gun will end up on the floor. There's only

one police statement. I got it somewhere. The gun ended

up on the floor somehow, Okay. So I believe Oswald

was supposed.

Speaker 1: To be he grabbed it because he was like fighting

to not get he was fighting.

Speaker 3: Tonight right right right.

Speaker 2: And then because they were they scuffled over it and

they punched him in the face a bunch of times.

Speaker 3: So there was a commotion.

Speaker 2: But that gun will end up on the floor right,

that that gun will end up on the floor, which

was probably not supposed to happen. But I'm convinced he

was supposed to die in that theater. If he died

in that theater, this whole thing would been wrapped up

with a bow on it. And it didn't perfect.

Speaker 1: No, I agree with that.

Speaker 2: Once he gets arrested and taken out at Ruby makes

a phone call to who Gruber Ruber and who's Gruber?

Speaker 3: Al Gruber?

Speaker 2: Al Gruber is the right hand man to Mickey Cohen,

who's in jail, but who was in Los Angeles at

the time yit, Zach Schmir and monockam began are in

Los Angeles.

Speaker 3: This is confirmed.

Speaker 1: Okay, so they're in LA when on eleven twenty two.

Speaker 2: They're in LA three weeks before the assassination. This is

the closest I can put them there. But what happened

three weeks before the assassination? Al Kruber leaves Los Angeles,

goes to Dallas and meets with Jack Ruby. When he's

asked about it, he's like, Oh, I just hadn't seen

Jack in twenty years. I figured i'd drop in on him. Yeah, bullshit.

The Israelis sent Gruber to meet with Jack Ruby to

iron out these details. That's why they sent him in person.

That's why he didn't talk on a phone. Then after

the assassination, Ruby calls Gruber. He calls Gruber, He's like,

holy shit, man, Oswald didn't die in the theater. That's

when he gets the order to kill Oswald. I'm convinced

that one hundred percent. He's told, well, you got to

clean up the mess Jack. Why would they pick Jack well,

because Jack was confirmed to have been diagnosed with cancer

already at this point he was dying.

Speaker 3: I saw one statement. It was an interview with a

friend of his.

Speaker 2: I forget which file it was in, but they said

that Jack had been diagnosed with cancer when he was

still living in Chicago, which would have been like forty seven,

forty eight. But then we have a document from Monk

Zelden who said that he had a report showing that

Jack Ruby had cancer in sixty three before the assassination.

So all the people who are like, oh, the CIA

got him with the super cancer, I'm like, shut.

Speaker 3: The fuck up. Oh my god, shut up with your

dumb shit.

Speaker 2: Okay, multiple people knew he had cancer for a long

time before the assassination. I think that's why he got picked,

because they kind of thought that he was not he

was a goner anyway, right, And I think that's kind

of and when you're in the mob, you don't say no,

You just do what you're told. Now, bring us back

to the basement of the police department where he shot.

When we shoots Oswald, we have witnesses who put Jack

Ruby in that building as early as nine o'clock in

the morning in the elevator. Okay, So did Jack Ruby leave,

get the money order and then go back, No, of

course not. Who got the money orders had to have

been his brother, had no show, had to have been

his brother, And he probably just slipped him to some

cop as he was walking past. The cop give him

to Jack Ruby. And you know, like that's how you know,

that's how Like the alleged transfer tickets for the bus

that showed up in Oswald's property, Oswald never had those

transfer tickets, He was never on that bus. They slipped

that into his property. And I think that's the exact

same thing that happened with.

Speaker 3: The stuff with Jack Ruby.

Speaker 1: So so Sam went and got the Western and went

to Western Union and and he slipped it, like literally

slipped it into his brother's jacket.

Speaker 2: No, because Jack's already inside. Jack's already inside, So Sam

had to have given it to one of the cops.

Sam then right, okay, yep, yeah, so that's kind of

how I wrapped that up.

Speaker 1: Gruber, I'll say, you know Gruber again, Folks was in

the same synagogue as the owner of clean Towel, the

van at Elman Houston. The owner of that van was

a trustee at Temple Bethel. Temple Bethel was the synagogue

to the ours, I mean, and major Hollywood people were

part of this. Uh, the Warner brothers were part of that,

so you know, and and Silverman, Hillel Silverman, who was

the rabbi as you know, was at that trial to

the point where you know, you're wondering was he handling

Ruby during that time? Was he kind of keeping tabs

on Ruby at that time?

Speaker 3: And this was these rabbis I think play an important

role in this network.

Speaker 1: So let's let's just mention here. You know, coming from

a Christian, you know kind of maybe understanding and you think, well,

isn't a rabbi just just a just a priest? And

in Judaism, no. I mean, these are people with families,

These are people who have businesses, their priests are you know,

they should be obviously a celiment. They don't have kids,

They're committed, dedicated to their vocation. That is not the

case with Right. So let's be clear about that team

were Rosenbaum was a rabbi.

Speaker 2: So Tibo Rosebulm is funny. Tibo Rosenbaum put on a

Nazi uniform with swastikas and everything and was walked into

the concentration camp I don't remember which one, and he

was allowed to pick his people out of the camp

to leave fascinating stuff. Huh yeah, yeah, strange bedfellows.

Speaker 1: So are those your those the topics you wanted to mention?

Speaker 2: Then yes, I'm pretty sure I got see. I got

like at least a half a dozen more things that

I think are definitive, but I can see how people

say they aren't definitive.

Speaker 3: So I just left it with what I got today.

Speaker 1: Corey, Thanks a love for being on And what do you?

What do we what can we expect from you? Coming

out anytime soon? Oh?

Speaker 2: So a Warning from History Volume one is out on

Amazon sold. I've sold the chunk so far, I'm pretty

stoked about. I was trying to get both of them

done for the same release, but after talking to people,

I was advised to separate the release dates just to

give people time so don't have to spend all that

money at once and buy two books at once or whatever.

So I'm about halfway through the volume two. I am

trying to get most of it finished by the end

of the I'm trying to get it finished by the

end of the month because I need to go to

Florida for a week in the beginning of May, so

I'm trying to get it done before I go to Florida.

But that will be out once that's out. Like it's amazing,

Like I'm really I'm impressed with what I'm done because

like when you just read it, when you read the

first one, you can get a good idea of everything,

and I have all the accurate quotes and references, but

when you see the documents for yourself, it's something totally different.

It just changes things. And when you can put the

right photographs in the right places to highlight things. Man,

like I was reading Overvlume one yesterday. I got a

test print and it's really good. I'm really excited. I

think it's one of the best Kennedy books that's ever

been put out their combination. Only the thing I'm worried

about is that it's it's going to be seven hundred

and fifty plus pages between the two books, and I

just don't want to overwhelm people.

Speaker 3: But it's just kind of how I kind of how

I roll.

Speaker 1: You know, So, in does Volume two mention Clay Shaw much?

Speaker 3: Not really, that's all in the volume one. That's all

in Volume one.

Speaker 2: I talk about him during the I don't even I

don't even have a chapter on him because I just

incorporated him into the Kerry Thornley chapter because of the relationships,

because of the Kerry Thornley party or the I'm sorry,

the Perry Russa party. He's a guy who, like, honestly,

we don't know nearly enough right, people have been wrote,

people written books about him. There's just I don't see

how there's even enough information to write books on the guy,

you know.

Speaker 1: So, yeah, but you you're you're pretty certain that the

just a Shaw was suposedly in dealing with his San

Francisco colleagues in the in the trade Authority.

Speaker 2: Uh yeah, what's that guy's name Jamon Roe Sullivan, Jamion

Rose Sullivan. Okay, there's no information on that guy. We

need to figure out who to hell that guy is.

This is zero like nothing. Well, my guys have looked.

There's nothing like we got to figure out because he

gave him an alibi and I know he was in Dallas.

Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I think Sullivan is not as important as

the other guy. Uh. Sullivan may have been the uh

the guy who you know, the face of the of

the of that authority over there in in Barkadero or whatever.

But it was Adolf Schumann. Is that ring a bell?

Adolf Schumann was the guy. I think we really need

to look into over there. No, I don't know about this, Okay.

Adolf Schumann is known. It's in the Senate, it's in

it's in it in the Library of Congress. Has communication

with Yehuda.

Speaker 2: Siah see a big shot, big shot in Israel, big

big shot, big billionaire, funded everything, funded the massage and

bet the Demona nuclear reactor.

Speaker 3: I mean, the guy is an all around scumbag.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And Adolf Schumann was the former chairman of the

San Francisco and California World Trade authority and he was

a dressmaker Corey for Lily and Corporation.

Speaker 3: Why what's about all these dressmakers garment?

Speaker 2: So I have an uncle. I have an uncle who

I haven't talked to in like a long time. I

have an uncle I haven't talked to in at least

ten fifteen years, who was my dad's brother. And he

went he went into the military in the fifties. He

went into the Korean He was in the Korean War.

He he has two sons who were both Navy seals.

And when he got out of the military in the sixties,

he started working for a a silk importer, exporter and

garment manufacturer. And it always hit me as weird, like,

my uncle doesn't he never went to college. The fuck

does he know about fucking silk? And all of a

sudden he's a big shot in a silk company.

Speaker 3: I'm like, this is weird, you know.

Speaker 2: So whenever I see people popping up in this in

the garment industry, it seems like it's a good cover

for international trade because you get your you source your

materials from over other countries. Yeah, the whole garment thing

with a cruder and there's a bunch of other ones.

You know, even George Senator was working with the the

but when he was he was in New York. He

was working for a garment manufacturers pops up all over

the place, you know, Mixey, scratch your head.

Speaker 1: I'm Gary Karus to know what company is a pruter

worked for in New York in the garment industry? Uh,

look up, folks. The Garment Jungle, which was sort of

like what on the Waterfront was on the waterfront was

where the dock worker unionization. The Garment Jungle was nineteen

fifty seven. It just explores how organized crime was in

that industry. And let's face it, you know that's that

was all over the linen supply and garment and mo yeah, everything.

And by the way it mentions it was based on

a Reader's Digest article from nineteen fifty five, this Garment

Jungle movie, and it says that basically, the Jewish owners

of these garment industries hired Italian gangsters to do their muscle.

And man, I don't think that just stopped with that industry. No, definitely,

not very broadly about what we've been talking about. The

coal lessons of groups, how that's all one man? So

I hope you enjoyed today's episode. Corey, thanks for being

with me, Hey, thanks for having me