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I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder

and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird

that people are going to have to talk about how

weird it is. Welcome back to Forbid Knowledge News. I'm

your host Chris Matthew. Today my guest is Corey Hughes.

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Knowledgenews at gmail dot com. Today, I want to welcome

back to the show Corey Hughes. He is an author, researcher,

host of Bloody History, and co host of Day zero podcast. Corey,

welcome back.

Speaker 2: How you doing good? Thank you for having me. It's

been a bit, yes, it has.

Speaker 1: It's great to have you back. You have two new

recent books, Lee Harvey Oswalden Black and White and Your

second Edition, first volume of A Warning from History. In

my perspective, you offer some of the most in depth

research surrounding the assassination of JFK, with new revelations that

not many are none at all have found some of

this information. So today we're going to share some of

the latest JFK revelations covered in your new books. Before

we do, remind the audience just a bit about yourself

and let them know how they can find more.

Speaker 2: Sure, my name's Corey Hughes. I'm an ex cop and

ex crime scene investigator, and when I got out of

law enforcement, I made the decision to become a Kennedy

researcher and that's what I've been doing for about the

last eight years. July will be eight years that I've

been doing Kennedy almost full time. And at this point,

let me see, I got what will soon be three

books out on the assassination. A Warning from History came

out in October twenty twenty three, about two and a

half years ago. It's done very well. I've probably sold

somewhere in the neighborhood of two thousand copies, give or take.

And it was time to update the book, and so

I did, and so What we have here is a

Warning from History Volume one, which is I think increased

the size. It's an eight and a half by eleven

sized book. And what I've done is I've included all

of the various documents and pictures and all the things

that people really I thought needed to see to accompany

the text itself. And it ended up being a two

volume set because it was so big. It's ended up

it's going to be around seven hundred and fifty pages

total between the two books, and that's just you can't

put out a book that big these days. Amazon won't

let you, so it had to be two volumes. And

I'm really proud of it. I think this is going

to be once it's all, once it's both parts are out,

I think it's going to be the best Kennedy volumes

that have ever been published.

Speaker 1: Well right on, since we last both we discussed the

book Lee Harvey Oswalden Black and White. What primarily does

the first edition of this new book cover?

Speaker 2: It covers the first six chapters of the original Warning

from History, which basically is all of the relevant people.

Right I took the sixth chapters cover Oswaldkerry Thornley, David Ferry,

all the New Orleans crew, the mercenaries, and Jack Valenti,

who's one of the most important people in the entire

assassination story, and that's what falls into this first volume.

It's actually pretty long. It's around three hundred and fifty

something pages long, and all of the supporting documents and

photographs that I felt needed to be in there to

kind of emphasize the point. They're all there. And that's

something that most of the Kennedy books don't do. They

don't include photographs. A couple do, but I've never been

I've never actually seen a book that was constructed in

the manner that I put this together. Some people try

to take the documents and they'll put him in a book,

and the book will be like an eight and a

half by like six book. You know, it's not big

enough to really see what's going on in the document,

and so I wanted the documents to basically as close

to full size as you could get, and that's why

I went with this eight and a half by eleven format.

And honestly, the feedback I've been getting on it is

absolutely stellar. And thank you once again to Johnny Larson

for the cover designs.

Speaker 1: With each new edition, you also include a little bit

of new information and tweaks that you have found along

the way. So maybe we should do a basic refresher

for everyone about some of the information that you include

in the book. You have come up with a lot

of updates for the original information that my audience probably

hasn't heard yet. So let's go through the chapters without

giving away too much because we want them to go

and buy the book. Starting with Lee Harvey Oswald, what

is primarily focused on surrounding him?

Speaker 2: So, Lee Harvey Oswald is certainly the patsy of the story.

So the thing is that Oswald, I believe was part

of a lifelong naval intelligence project to get a spy

into the Soviet Union, which eventually was taken over by

the CIA. At some point he goes over there and

he comes back. But when he comes back, he brings

Marina with him, right, his wife with the glassy eyes. Right.

So this is a I noticed when I looked at

pictures of Trump's wife and Marina Oswald, they both have this.

They have a dead eye stare. You know, I don't

know what this from, but it's the same exactly. It's

the same rights the Russian mtra it's one hundred percent,

you just nailed it, Okay, So but he brings back Marina,

and Marina is clearly a spy, okay, like the her

uncle was like one of the big shots in the

Russian Army and the KGB and so the odds. And

also there was a previous defector named Robert Webster who

was ended up being naval intelligence and sent over there. Well,

it turns out she knew Robert Webster. Also, she was

put in the same apartment building as him and formed

some sort of a relationship with him. And then she

he gets with Oswald, who's another false defector, right, So

she's clearly a Russian honeypot, and she ends up coming

back to the States with Oswald. And I feel that

that kind of sealed his fate. You know, what are

you doing bringing this Russian spy back with you, right,

because it's obvious to me, at least when he got back,

despite the fact his little documentation of this, they are

not going to let a Russian spy just wander around.

I have no doubts that they kept ultra high tabs

on her from the day she got back the day

she got here to America, and so I think that's

kind of the reason that they ended up using him

and setting him up because they were pissed that he

brought a spy back with him, right, So that's kind

of my There's not really much evidence for that other

than when you understand the totality of circumstances, that just

seems like the most logical thing, and so he ends

up being set up. But the setup of Oswald really

is strange because it goes back to like two years

before he ever came back from the Soviet Union. One

of the first incidents we have where they're clearly setting

Oswald up happened in February of nineteen sixty one where

a man goes to the Bolton Ford in New Orleans

tries to get a price quote for a bunch of

jeeps and stuff to send a Cuba and he gives

the name Lee Oswald. Okay, so Lee Oswald is provably

still in the Soviet Union at this time. So why

would they do that. Why would they start to use

Oswald's name when it's provable that he's in the Soviet Union.

Nobody has an answer to that question. Okay, it might

have been sloppy work. Who the hell knows, But there's

about half a dozen incidents where Oswald is encountered and

in one case even arrested at a time when he's

provably still in the Soviet Union. Okay, So there were

a couple of people using his name. Carrie Thornley was

the one who was primarily using his name down in

New Orleans. And so once Oswald gets back in June

of nineteen sixty two, he's bounced back and forth between

Fort Worth and New Orleans, and it appears as though

they are starting to set up a second plot to

get Oswald into Cuba. Okay, So it appears as though

the maintaining of his communist bona fetus and all his

communist talk was meant to perpetuate a second plot to

get him into Cuba that never happened. The assassination ends

up happening, and it seems as though he was repurposed

from being this spy in communist countries to being the

passy for the assassination. Okay, they did a really poor job, well,

I guess for the time. For the sixties, they did

a great job at setting Oswald up. But in hindsight,

when you come to understand what they did to set

Oswald up. How they sent people like William Seymour and

Carrie Thornley to a bunch of different places to go

act like a communist and talk about Russia, talk about

your Russian wife. It was clear that they were setting

up Oswald to take the fall for something long before

there ever could have been an assassination plot. But the

actual plot for the assassination I believe came about sometime

in the late sixty two early sixty three, because by

March of nineteen sixty three, we have the ordering of

the rifle right, and the handgun that are allegedly used

to kill the president and to kill Officer JD. Tippett.

When you dig into the stories of these weapons, it

becomes very clear he had nothing to do with ordering

this rifle or this handgun. Both the rifle and the

handgun ended up being imported to the country by a

CIA contractor, Adams Consolidated run by a guy named Samuel Cummings. Right,

it was all CIA. The Carkana rifle came in in

a batch of seventy and his story is at Oswald

ordered the rifle from Klein's Sporting goods, but the client's

paperwork is all a mess according to the According to Cleins,

the rifle was ordered the first week of March, but

the money order that was used to pay for it

was deposited in their bank in mid February. So according

to Kleins, they received and deposited the money order weeks

before or was ever sin right, So we have some

major problems with the documentation of that. We have all

kinds of problems with the size of the rifle compared

to what was ordered. There was a three or four

inch differential between what was received and what was allegedly ordered.

So there's a lot of problems. And then it turns

out the clients is actually a CIA cut out and

employed a bunch of CIA agents after the assassination happened.

So Oswald had nothing to do with ordering the rifle

and any of that stuff. But he did make a

very good patsy, and the impersonations of Oswald were necessary

in order to perpetuate this myth of him being a

communist and stuff. And I believe this impersonation happened up

to and including his employment at the book depository, where

I can't put Oswald ever in that building.

Speaker 1: The story behind Lee Harvey Oswald gets so wild. You

include a lot of it in the book Lee Harvey

Oswald and Black and White. His family has long running

intelligence ties. This is actually a theme that comes up

in many of these operations. Some of the highest level

players involved come from multi generational intelligence families where their

parents were involved and their grandparents were involved, and they

may not even have a clear picture of what they're

involved with.

Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I've concluded about Oswald. You see, back

in the day, everybody went into the military. Okay, in

like the twenties and thirties and especially the forties, every

male of fighting age joined the military. I'd say like

ninety percent. It was just what you did, you know,

it was just kind of a way to get you

off the ground and get you started. Yeah, World War One,

Robert Oswald and his brother, Harvey Francis Oswald were in

the army. Robert was a sergeant. But there's not really

any information on that. I've tried pulling up military records

and it's just too far back. I mean, it's almost

one hundred years ago and they don't turn up in

the standard databases. Most of the standard databases don't really

pick up anything pre like nineteen forty ish. You know,

any documents for before nineteen forty very hard to come by.

But it appears as though not only Robert and his

brother were involved in the military. But the more I

dug into Marguerite Oswald and her family, it appears, I

would say with absolute certainty that her sister, Lilian Morett,

was involved in intelligence one hundred percent in the nineteen fifties.

She and this never came up in the Warran Commission.

She was never questioned about this. This information didn't come

out until I found it about I don't know, less

than a year ago. But Lilian Morett was flying back

and forth between New Orleans, Florida, and Cuba, and also

making trips to Montreal, which doesn't make any sense because

you're not supposed to be flying to Cuba in the

mid nineteen fifties. It's not one of those places people

actually went. But she did, and there's no reason for it.

She was a housewife literally allegedly had no career. It

was just a housewife. But yet we have documents showing

that she was flying, especially in fifty five and fifty

six when Oswald right before he joins the Marines. I

have documentation that her and her daughter, Marilyn Morett, flew

to an Air Force base, Kinley Air Force Base, which

is in Bermuda in fifty six. This is highly unusual.

There's no reason that they should have been flying to

air Force bases. Nobody in that family was in the

Air Force. There's no reason for it whatsoever. But yet

they went there and they stayed there for about six

days before flying back to New York and then back

to New Orleans. So we have this stack of documents

showing that the family was involved in crazy doing things

that are inexplicable unless you're in intelligence, right, and then

you have then when you go over the testimony of

Lillian Morett at the Warrant Commission, this woman couldn't remember anything,

She couldn't remember where his sister worked certain times. She

basically took Lee Harvey Oswald and raised him in his

earliest years and then before he was put into the

Bethlehem Orphanage. And the problem with this is that she

says she was watching him because Marguerite had no money

and she was poor, and she was out trying to,

you know, just get by and make a living and

all this stuff. She couldn't remember where her sister worked.

But the problem is that, in her own words, she

admitted in one page of a book that she wrote

in the mid nineteen sixties that she worked at the

naval base in Algiers, Louisiana. Okay, So when you look

at the timing of all this stuff, when she worked

at the naval base, it becomes brutally obvious that Marguerite

Oswald had joined what was called the Navy Waves program.

So in World War Two, all the men go off

to war, and the domestic positions here in the States

needed to be filled, and they couldn't just recruit everybody

into the Navy again right to refill those they had

to open it up to civilians, and they created a

ton of civilian jobs for women, in particular, to fill

the jobs of the men who went off to war.

And so this program doesn't get much attention, but once

you dig through the history of Marguerite Oswald, it becomes

very clear that she was part of this program. And

this program went from around May of forty two until

forty four. And it's funny because it's not until around

April of nineteen forty four that Marguerite Oswald kind of reappears.

So between forty one and forty four, you can't say

what Nobody on planet Earth can tell me what she

was doing. She's lied about her schedule, her sister lied

about what she was doing. And why would her sister

lie about her being in the Navy. You think her

sister didn't know she had joined the Navy, was working

at a Navy base, and that's why she was watching

Oswald and she had to lie about that. Well, obviously

it showed me that they were trying to hide the

fact that Marguerite Oswald was involved in naval intelligence. And

I think that's ultimately what comes down to because when

she testified at the Warrant Commission, she acknowledged that she

was a phone operator for the Navy. In order to

be a phone operator, you had to have the highest

level security clearance because you're connecting guys on the phone

lines like generals and stuff, and those guys have the

highest security clearance and you could overhear every conversation. So

they had to ensure every phone operator had the highest

security clearance. So what does that mean. It means Marguerite

Oswald had the highest level Navy security clearance all the

way back in nineteen forty two, forty three, and forty

four period. Differ from her own words, this is the

only logical deduction that can be had. Then, when you

start to get into the conflict in the with Lee

Harvey Oswald, you'll find that from like forty two all

the way to fifty six, Oswald's in two places at once.

You start to come across the Harvey and Lee stuff,

where basically I concluded their brothers. Okay, this is another

brother that was had by Marguerite Oswald. And you got

to think in nineteen forty if you had a child

at a wedlock, you're a whore, okay. And so they

would go to great lengths to hide illegitimate children back then.

And then I feel like once naval intelligence got onto

the notion that she had another child, then they went

and they ran with it and turned it into intelligence operation,

which to me becomes clear once you get into like

Oswald's schooling post like forty six doesn't make any sense

whatsoever he is. And when he went to Russia he

wrote out like a biography of himself, you know, And

that biography that he wrote out totally contradicts the official

story on where he was, when he was, when he

went to school, where he went to school, the whole

nine yards. So there's so much contradiction in Oswald's life

it becomes brutally obvious that there were two people who

were being raised under the name Lee Harvey Oswald, and

that is what is covered in Lee Harvey Oswald and

Black and White Volume one. Now, as soon as I

finish up this morning for History volume two, which will

be done in the next couple of weeks, I'm going

to get back onto my Oswald studies because I'm really

fascinated by Oswald's time in the Marine Corps, where this

duplicate Oswald's scheme is continued. So you'll find when you

go through Oswald's military record that he's in two places

at once again throughout his entire military career, and the

times that he's not. It's obvious there are big gaps

in the record where we have the records of one

of the Oswald's, but the other one we don't know

some of the things that he was, some of the

places that he was, because we have witnesses who put

him in Memphis, Tennessee, at the Aviation Mechanic school, like

where his brother went. But that's not on the official story,

and the official story says he never went there and

that he was a radar operator. But I've gone through

all the documents and statements of all the people who

knew him, I cannot put him behind a radar station ever,

not once. Most of the time Oswald was in trouble,

he was on administrative duty. He was seen more often

than not working the mess or on guard duty, or

dumping garbage cans, you know, because he was always in trouble.

And so when you really dig through Oswald's marine career,

it becomes obvious once again, there's two Oswald's in two

different places, who knew two totally different groups of friends,

stated at two different sets of marine bases. And they

went to great lengths to cover this stuff up, great

lengths to the point where I even believe that they

even murdered a murdered two brothers to cover this up.

So when Oswald, the really Oswald, was about six years old,

he had a surgery on his ear. He had to

have his he had to have a he had surgery

on his ear, and that affected his hearing and we

have multiple documents from his school years showing that he

had been tested for hearing and that he had a

heart he was hard of hearing in his left ear.

And so when you start to dig into, like when

you start to dig into this is off topic for

a minute, but when you start to dig into, like

the autopsy stuff, Oswald doesn't have a scar behind his

ear where he should right and Oswald shot himself in

the left arm, that scar isn't there either. So all

the person who was we said, we were told was

Lee Harvey Oswald when he was autopsied doesn't have most

of the indicating marks that we can say for sure

that Lee Oswald had growing up. But when Oswald had

that surgery on his ear, it was clear that it

became a big problem for him, which we don't really

learn about until his school records in New York that

they did a lot of emphasis on his heart of hearing.

So if you're hard of hearing, how are you going

to get into the Marines. They're not going to let

you in the Marines at all. Right, So how did

this guy who was hard of hearing in the left

ear get into the Marines in the first place? And

how is it that once he's in the Marines, they

note the scar behind his ear, but they don't indicate

he had any difficulty hearing. So you have a lot

of like almost like he wasn't qualified to be in there,

but they forced it anyway, you know what I mean,

which is kind of interesting.

Speaker 1: Well, you have a chapter on David Ferry. He is

my favorite eyebrows in the whole Conspiracy. Most people will

know him from that or the Kevin Kostner movie. Talk

a little bit about some of what you focus on

surrounding this character.

Speaker 2: So Ferry was the shooter behind the picket fence at

the corner of the picket fence in Dealey Plaza November

twenty second. My book goes into excruciating detail on explaining

everything regarding that, So his story is completely debunked when

you go through everything. So allegedly he was in court

with Carlos Marcelo November twenty second, and then he drove

to Houston, went ice skating, then went to Galveston, allegedly

went goose hunting, and then made his way back to

New Orleans where Monday afternoon he is basically arrested by

Jim Garrison so this alibi story that he put forth

about going to ice skating in Houston never happened. It

was an elaborate alibi story. And that story becomes very

easily debunked once you start to get into the very

fine details of witnesses to where David Furry actually was

when the assassination was going on and the subsequent days.

So his entire story is debunked because he went to

a place in Hammon, Louisiana, Southeastern College where he hit

out with an associated his name Thomas Compton. And now,

according to Thomas Compton, Ferry didn't show up until Sunday

and he left on Monday. But thanks to Thomas Compton's roommate,

a guy named Frank J. Chilona, who one of my

associates has recently been in contact with to verify the story,

Frank Schelona said that basically Faerry showed up and was

in ham and Louisiana all weekend, from Friday night all

the way till Monday, and that's exactly what happened. So

David Ferry shoots the president from the grassy Knoll and

then he will end up making his way over to

the tip of shooting where he's involved with the tip

of shooting with Kerry Thornley, and from there he will

flee and he will end up in Hammond, Louisiana that

Friday night. Now he is not supposed to be in Hammond,

He's supposed to be in Houston. He's supposed to have

gone ice skating, and we have this big, long story

about how he went ice skating on Saturday, and it

was all kinds of witnesses. Well, it turns out that

was an alibi story. The person who actually went to

the ice skating rink was not David Ferry. It was

an associated his who was pretending to be David Ferry

to provide him an alibi. And that alibi completely crumbles

when you go through the statements of people who saw

where David Ferry actually was that weekend. So David Ferry

shoots Kennedy from the Knowle Fleece to Hammond, Louisiana, hangs

out there all weekend while other people are laying out

an alibi story for him. So that was one of

the first things I actually tackled when I got into

the Kennedy research, because it's the biggest, most important part

of the story, and a lot of people just ignore it.

Speaker 1: Other important aspect that I have never heard anyone else

talk about that you have a chapter about, is the

mercenaries tell us a story behind this?

Speaker 2: Yeah? So there are you keep hearing when you when

people talk about Kennedy, they talk about anti Castro Cubans,

and they talk about these mercenaries who are all hanging

out in New Orleans, and these guys who were down

at No name key, who were kind of like you know,

CIA contractors, but they were disaffected by the CIA once

the Bay of Pigs happened, and so a lot of

these guys end up in New Orleans. And three of

these guys in particular, Lawrence Howard, Lauren Hall, and William Seymour.

I do my chapter with the Mercenaries on these three

guys are probably three of the most important names in

the entire assassination. They were heavily involved in not only

the setup of Oswald going back years uh, but they

were most certainly in Daly Plaza. And two out of

those three were shooters in the book Depository. And so

these names, once you really start to dig into these

names heavily, you'll come to find that they are definitely

responsible for much of the setup of Oswald. So when

you dig into the story of Oswald after his return

from the Soviet Union, what you find is that he

is alleged to have done a whole bunch of things.

He's alleged to have gone to the shooting range where

he shot at other people's targets. You know, He's alleged

to have gone to the carousel club. He's alleged to

have done fifty different things. Right. Well, when you really

start to understand the characters involved and what happened with Oswald,

you come to realize he didn't do any of those

things that we were told, none including work at the

book depository. So when you dig into the individual stories,

you'll find that Oswald, there's two separate patterns that will emerge. One,

you'll have Oswald who's a real arrogant, cocky guy, who's

dirty with dirty fingernails, and he's constantly seen with a

pregnant woman, sometimes a pregnant woman with a baby in

the backseat of her car. That's one pattern that you'll

see constantly. You'll see it at furniture mart, You'll see

it in Alice, Texas, at the radio station Alice, Texas

at the diner. We got about a half a dozen

incidents where you'll see Oswald allegedly with his wife, but

he's driving a car, and Oswald never drove a car,

So you have that is one pattern. Another pattern is

you'll see Oswald all over the place with a large

husky Latin male who has a pock marked face or

moles on his face, that you'll see at the Sports

drone rifle range, that you'll see at the Carousel Club,

that you'll see at the Havana Bar in New Orleans.

So you have these two distinct patterns. The Oswald scene

with the husky Latin everywhere is William Seymour and the

husky Latin is Lawrence Howard. He's a name that has

been popped up in the Kennedy world for decades. No

one's ever really focused on him, though very important person

Jim Garrison had first identified him as the Latin male

who went to Bolton Ford allegedly with Oswald in February

of nineteen sixty one, and then he is seen in

the in Dealey Plaza on November twenty second, sixty three.

So what are we looking at. We're looking at two

and a half years that this husky Latin male Lawrence

Howard is involved in a setup of something involving Lee

Harvey Oswald. Right, And so those are the two patterns

you'll find. And then you'll find that the two men

who were impersonating Oswald were Kerry Thornley and William Seymour.

And once you understand that, and you understand the two

patterns of Oswald sightings, all of them should really fall

into place. And then that's when you come to realize,

oh my god, Oswald had nothing to do with nothing,

like nothing at all. And so that's another thing I'm

really heavy on in my thesis is that Oswald was

never told anything. He was kept at arm's length. Everything

he did in New Orleans with fair Play for Cuba

Committee were assignments he was given, and he was told

to hand these flyers out. Everything he was doing was

under the direction of basically Carrie Thornley and carry Thornley's handlers,

who I linked to a guy named Buddy Simcoe. And

Buddy Simco's handler was a guy named Lieutenant Ballantine. Who

all these guys were with Oswald in the Marines, and

I believe that they they played a major role in

the perpetuation of the Oswald legend and setting him up

for the assassination.

Speaker 1: And you mentioned Carrie Thornley, who he's also in one

of the chapters in the book. What is he primarily

responsible for? You said, it's for the planning of the

setup of Oswald.

Speaker 2: Right, So carry Thornley knew Oswald going back to March

of nineteen fifty nine. They were both stationed together in

Santa Ana, California, at the helicopter base out there, And

so it gets Oswald's time at Santa Anna gets complicated,

not because of what he's doing, but because what people

around him are doing and who is around him. And

so I'm convinced that Carrie Thornley was given the assignment

recruit it into the CIA before he joined the Marines.

But while he's in the Marines, he's probably working with

Naval Intelligence or CIA, because they're kind of one organization

at this point. But after Kerry Thornley a station with

Oswald in California, he is then only for about a month,

maybe a month and a half. Then he is sent

to at Sugi, Japan, and he's placed in the unit

that Oswald was in when Oswald was in at Sugi,

Japan before he went to California. So what happens once

Kerry Thornley gets out to at Sugi, Japan. Well, he

starts to use an alias of Rick Thornley for some reason,

and he starts to take pictures and ask a lot

of questions about Lee Harvey Oswald while he's over there.

And this is all in early nineteen sixty. This is

from like i'd say, June through like I don't know,

September in nineteen sixty. Then he comes back from Atzugi,

Japan in October of nineteen sixty. He lies about when

he first heard about Oswald's defection. He says he doesn't

find out until he's on his way back to the States,

which is a lie because he obviously knew something was

going on because he was trying to find out information

about Oswald once he got over there. Right. So he

gets back and according to him, he goes to Whittier, California,

where his parents are, and he stays there for I

don't know, like six or eight months. But that's a

lie because I have the first that bolton Ford incident

happened in February of sixty one. Which is literally about

a week and a half after Oswald after carry Thornley

allegedly gets back from the Marines. So it's just too

close of an incident for it not to have been

carry Thornley, right, That's why he lied abaut thing in Whittier, California.

And so basically from that time period in February of

sixty one, where it's way too soon for there to

have been an assassination plot, way too soon, he's impersonating

Oswald at a bunch of different places, you know, even

gets arrested and gives Oswald's name. Why is he doing this?

Nobody knows. But the only logical explanation is that they

were continuing to create this Oswald legend so he could

try to defect a Cuba. That's the only thing that

I can even think of. Nothing else makes any sense.

They were not planning on killing Kennedy two years before

he actually got killed, you know, So it's a very

interesting thing. Why were they doing this? And so you

end up with about a half a dozen or more

incidents where Oswald is doing something in the States when

he's actually still in the Soviet Union, and so carry

Thornley's role You know, it's funny because there's a time

when Oswald comes back and he's living in the Dallas

Fort Worth area, and around end of April in sixty three,

all of a sudden, for no reason, there's no explanation,

he up and me moves back to New Orleans. Okay.

Then at the end of September, again, for no reason,

he just up and moves back to Fort Worth. We

have no explanation on why he moved period. You know. Well,

I think the official story that he was trying to

look for work and he couldn't find work in Fort Worth.

Give me a break. Dallas Worth Worth is way bigger

than New Orleans. Okay, he definitely could have found a job,

So it's albs. The weird thing is that Carrie Thornley

left New Orleans and went to Whittier, California, the same

time that Oswald shows up back in New Orleans. Then

when Oswald leaves New Orleans, Carry Thornley shows back up

in New Orleans. I'm talking within a couple days or

a week. Right. Another odd thing this exact same time period,

Robert Oswald is moved from his company. He works for

the Acme Brick Company, which definitely has intelligence connections. He's

moved from Fort Worth to Arkansas, and guess what, he

ends up moving back to Fort Worth the exact same

time that Lee Harvey Oswald does. So you got this

weird three or four month period where people are moving around.

A lot of the setup of Oswald was done during

this time period, and so this is a big mystery

to everybody. Still, why was Oswald moved? Why did Kerrie

Thornley move at the exact same time. Why did Robert

Oswald get move the exact same time. This three or

four month period is a point of major fascination for me.

But something was going on, right. We have more Oswald

sightings and places he shouldn't be. Then we get weird

things like Oswald gets signed into the In July, he'll

go to Mobile, Alabama, and he'll talk to the Jesuit

College there about what it's like living in the Soviet Union. However,

two days before he gives that speech, we have a

document showing he was signed into the Atomic Energy Museum

up in Knoxville, Tennessee. Okay, the entire establishment denies that

this ever happened, but it's obvious that it did. We

have his handwriting. Literally, Like, we have one hundred documents,

let's say Lee Harvey Oswald, most of them aren't his handwriting.

This one is clearly his handwriting. So we have Oswald

going up to the Atomic Museum in Knoxville two days

before he goes and talks to the Jesuit College, and

yet everyone lies about it, tries to cover it up. Marina,

all these people, the Lilian Morett, John Marshall Morett who

was also went to Mobile. All of them say, yeah,

we were in New Orleans and we just drove up

to Mobile. No no, no, no, no no. He ended

up at the Atomic Energy Museum and people are trying

to lie and cover it up. Why. I have no idea.

A researcher years ago named Jennifer Lake put out an

article called Atomic Agent Oswald, where she speculated that Oswald

was actually part of his duties were atomic in nature.

It had something to do with checking anthy's atomic The

Atomic Energy Museum was part of his work that he

was supposed to be doing that shouldn't have gotten out,

but did so. Oswald. When you dig into like the

various Oswald sightings, you'll find that he was doing things

that don't match the person we know is Oswald, don't

match what he should have been doing as a professional

career because he was really a bum, right, And so

there's a ton of indicators that he had a job,

that he was working for the government doing something of importance.

But the story we're told old is he's just a

loser and a bum and a dissident and all this stuff.

So I feel really bad for Oswald because he never

got a fair shake. Either of them, Harvey or Lee,

never had a choice in what they were doing. Their

entire lives were dictated to them. And then you know,

Oswald gets shot by Jack Ruby at the age of

twenty four. You know, it's a shame.

Speaker 1: So far, you've done a great job finding this information

in these old documents, but it seems that there's a

lot of information that's become more difficult to get a

hold of in recent years, some things being deleted from

the internet. Have you found it more difficult to find

some of these old documents in recent years.

Speaker 2: Yes, but not directly. What I've noticed is that in

going back through just very recently the past couple of weeks,

I went through some old Rampart magazine stuff from the

seventies and some old newspaper articles and this and that,

and so what I've learned is that things that were

accepted as fact, you know, thirty forty fifty years ago,

are now back open for debate, which to me is

just ridiculous. So I'll give you an example. I explained

that there's an incident at a woman's apartment named Sylvia Odio.

Allegedly Oswald shows up there with two Cubans and they

talk about raising money for Cuba. And then this is

a whole big controversy over whether it was Oswald who

actually went to Sylvia Odios. Well, it wasn't Oswald. It

was William Seymour, Lauren Hall, and Lawrence Howard. They were

there and they were setting Oswald up. This was part

of the setup of Oswald. There were newspaper articles, and

they were magazine articles written about the audio incident that

basically was like yeah, because Lauren Hall admitted to the

FBI that it was them at Sylvia Odios and he

was there, William Seymour and Lawrence Howard. He admitted it.

There were newspaper articles written about his confession, There were

a magazine articles written about his confession. But yet today,

for some reason, in twenty twenty six, you got stupid

JFK research idiots out there, who's still in debate? Who

was at odios Like it's still up for debate in

twenty twenty six when it was settled fifty years ago,

you know what I mean. So that pisses me off

a lot. There's a lot of things that were accepted

as truth and reality that we just knew, but now

it's back to being up for debate. It just goes

to show you how stupid the JFK research community really is.

They're so easily led around by the nose. All of

them think we're going to get some new documents, you know,

And this is another thing I freaking hate the gimme

the documents people. Okay, here's the thing. We're never getting

documents that are of any value at all. Okay, they've

given us a million pages of documents since twenty seventeen.

None of them are any good. They're junk. Okay, they're

garbage data. Now, if you're just interested in the backdrop

of the sixties and what was going on, they're great.

It'll fill in all kinds of gaps on what was

going on in the nineteen sixties, nothing to do with

the assassination at all, like zero, you know. So, But

there's people out there who are like, oh, we need

the documents in order to solve this thing. And my

response to them is a big fuck you. Okay, that's

such bullshit. We don't need any more documents. And these

people who are like begging for the documents, they couldn't

even tell you what documents we need. I literally, in

my head I could name off at least a dozen

documents right now that I am dying to have that

I know I'll never have, right, But these document people

are there, they couldn't even tell you that. They're just like, oh,

we're supposed to have them all, so give it to us, right.

We can't solve it till we get all the documents.

These people are idiots. So I have a major beef

with the JFK research world because they're the dumbest people

that I've ever come across in my life. Like you'd

think that there would be at least a handful of

like high IQ individuals who are working on this thing. No,

uh huh, not at all. It's a bunch of idiots.

I'm not even fucking playing. I know all of them.

They're dumb. They're all dummies. It's really pathetic.

Speaker 1: One of the most important testimonies that you cover in

the book is from Roe share Me. And this is

something that again many researchers won't even bring to the

forefront and cover, which it seems ridiculous not to. This

seems to be a huge puzzle piece in this whole thing.

For those that aren't familiar, tell us a little bit

about this, sure.

Speaker 2: So Roe share Me is like she works for like

the Mob. Basically, she's basically a kind of prostitute drug mule,

just kind of one of these, you know, hangarounds with

the Mob. And so she is. She's on a trip

on the twentieth, two days before the assassination. She's on

a trip from Miami to Dallas, and she's with two

guys who the names given were Osampto and I forget

the other alias, but it turns out it was two

guys Sergey Rcaca Smith and Emilio Santana. This is pretty

much settled in the Kennedy world. So she's a real

pain in the ass and she's all strung out on

heroin and she's just a real you know, she's a

real witch. And so they end up ditching her at

a club called the Silver Slipper down outside of New Orleans,

and she ends up getting hit by a car and

she ends up getting taken to the hospital. So she's

taken to the hospital, she starts telling people she's all

strung out and they can't really handle her, and so

she starts telling people that they're gonna kill Kennedy. They're

gonna kill Kennedy. Everyone's like not believing her, and they

end up transferring her to the psych ward at the

Jackson Hospital in Jackson, Louisiana. And so they transfer her

to that and they have a police lieutenant, Lieutenant Francis

Frooge of the State Police. He rides in the ambulance

while she's transferred. While she's in the ambulance, she tells

him the whole story about how she's with these guys.

She got kicked out of the bar, and that these

guys they had to go pick up some heroin and

do a whole bunch of other stuff and meet this

guy coming in on a boat, and that the two

guys she was with were on on their way to

Dallas to kill Kennedy. Okay, For many years there was

some like obfuscation over whether or not she really said that,

But when you go through the documents, turns out, yes,

she actually did really say that, and everyone knew that

she said that. We have half a dozen people after

the factor like said, confirmed that she said that they

were going to kill a president, So of course they

don't believe her. She's in the in the in the

mental ward. And then of course Kennedy gets killed and

everyone freaks out. Francis Frooge freaks out. He's like, oh

my god, and he goes back to Jackson and basically

he tries to get the story from her. She's still

not really that lucid. But over the next couple of

days they determine who everybody was, who the sailor came

in with the heroin, and they're not really able to

do much, but they tried to find the heroin guy

and all this stuff, and that's what we got. There's

a lot of documents from the Roe shearing me stuff

that are missing because in the body of those documents,

Francis Fruge acknowledges that he identified everyone involved, but there's

not a single page in any of the documents that

has the true identifications. So you kind of had to

figure that one out for yourself. The amount of cover up,

even in the Jim Garrison files is unbelievable. I'll be

going through the Jim Garrison files and it'll reference another

file that he has and You're like, this file doesn't exist,

where is it? You know they ended up Jim Garrison,

I think by the end, by the end of his

way after the clay Shaw trial, but he could continue

the investigation for like ten years. I think he pretty

much knew exactly what happened, who the players were, all

that stuff. A lot of his conclusions are that you

find in the documents never made it into like the

JFK film or any of that stuff, which is really

a shame. But back to the road Share Me story.

The reason it's so important is because you can identify

two of the shooters through that story, Sergei Arcaca and

Emelia Santana. So and those were the last two positions

that I filled in the gaps on in Daily Plaza

on who shot from where and when. So that's why

that story is so important.

Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on where we're at

as it relates to the operations that we're all stepping

stones to achieve this global domination by this parasitic ruling class.

You were on to the fact that Israel was at

the top of this power pyramid for a very long time,

and there's been some profound revelations that have gotten people

looking in this same direction recently. How do you feel

about where we're at, the revelations and what is unfolding

right now on a world stage with Israel and Iran

and all that shit.

Speaker 2: So I despise what's going on today with Israel. I

despise the fact that we're at a war with Iran

on behalf of Israel. But simultaneously, the mask is off

now you know, now that we are in this war,

we are they're uncovering the true atrocities that Israel has

been committing for decades. It is Israel's not a real country.

It's a shell country. It's like a shell company. If

you could have a country that's a shell company, that's

what Israel is. It was created so they could do

all the illegal stuff that they couldn't do in America

or anywhere else. And that's exactly what's going on today.

So before even just a year or two ago, i'd

say Israel killed Kennedy, people will look at me like

my hair's on fire. But now, because of what's going

on in the Middle East, people are much more open

to accepting and understanding that. Then once you really get

into the details of the relationships between the Israelis back

in the forties, right before there was even an Israel

Monoch and Begging and yets ek Shamir and Rabin and

Ben Gurion, once you understand that these guys were like

bosom buddies with the mafia in the United States going

back to like forty five, forty six, and that Kennedy

was killed in sixty three, and that the Mob and

Israel were involved in the stealing of the nuclear material

out of New Mech in Apollo, Pennsylvania, the Nuclear Materials

and Equipment Corporation. It's like, oh my god, these guys

by the time, by the time the Kennedy was killed,

the Mob had been working with the Israelis for almost

twenty years, eighteen years at that point, you know. So

it's really it's been a bittersweet because I hate to

see Americans die for a war for Israel, but At

the same time, this war has allowed everyone to peek

behind the curtain of what's really goes on in Israel.

And I think that's great and it's priceless.

Speaker 1: Do you think the structure of the mob that's portrayed

in cinema and by the mainstream is backwards in a

sense that Israel is giving orders to the Italians. The

Italians are just they're working for them.

Speaker 2: Well, from what I've come to understand, the Italians ran

the local mafias, like you know, Marcelo's in New Orleans,

traffic contes in Tampa. They might have had their outcroppings

in other places, but those guys were local mafia. The

larger scale international syndicate was controlled by the Jews one

hundred percent and in particular Mayorlansky. And then when you

follow the history of Mayer Lansky, you realize he was

a big shot in New York. He's the one who

established the commission, but didn't put himself on the commission.

You know, he was definitely involved in the creation of Permandex,

the Masad front company that oversaw the assassination, and didn't

give himself a seat on Permandex. He's the guy who

led from behind, you know what I mean. He always

made it seem like he was just the mob's accountant,

but no, he ran the show and all of his people.

He had him and Law was like his associate who

ran Chicago. Like everyone thinks Gian Conna ran Chicago, but

g and Conna answered to Hymen Larner. Hymen Larner answered

to Mayor Lansky. So Mayor Lansky was the boss of

all bosses of the mafia for like forty years, and

then in the seventies when we finally go after him,

he goes on the run and they won't let him

into Israel, but Israel gave him a travel visa so

he could continue to run from the government.

Speaker 1: Would you say that the Demona nuclear issue was the

primary factor that pushed Israel to do the assassination.

Speaker 2: Well, it's a cascading issue, and I'll explain that by

saying D'mona was the catalyst. But ultimately it was more

than that. It was Kennedy was going to cut aid

to Israel. That was what it was about. When you

go through what's called the Battle of Letters, which is

the exchange of letters that happened between Ben Gurion and

Kennedy in April and May of nineteen sixty three, then

continued by Levi Eshkahl. What you'll find is that the

nuclear problem was the biggest concern for Kennedy in the

world period. That was his number one concern with everything.

He wanted the Russians to get rid of nukes. And

then if he's trying to negotiate with Khrushchev to get

rid of the nukes, but then you got this pissant

little country developing them behind everyone's back. That kind of

like throws a wrench into the works, right, So it

became a huge deal. Going back to nineteen sixty before

Kennedy was even in office, there are documents showing that

they were keeping very detailed records on the Israelis, what

they were doing about Demona, any kind of communications about Demona.

So by the time Kennedy takes office in early sixty one,

he's already got stacks of papers showing all the history

of the Demona nuclear reactor going back to like fifty eight.

They didn't have much before that. But he basically threatened

and Urian to the point where Ben Gurion stepped down.

And this is in May of nineteen sixty three. By

maya sixty three, the assassination plot was well underway for

at least three or four months, possibly longer. And so

I think that Ben Gurion stepped down number one because

he was forced to, but also because he didn't want

to be associated with the upcoming assassination a nation that

he knew was happening. Right, So, yes, Demona was the catalyst,

But really it was about funding. It was about cutting

funding to Israel, because if you cut funding to Israel,

guess what, They're dead. They're done. They can't survive without

our money.

Speaker 1: Do you think, depending on the outcome of this current conflict,

that Israel may ultimately lose some of its power over

the planet.

Speaker 2: I think it already has, that's already begun. There has

to be no Israel and that land has to be

given back to the Palestinians. Period. I will not be

happy until that's the outcome. One state solution, a Palestinian state.

So is that gonna happen? You know? I hate to

say it, but Iran is our only chance, is our

only hope for doing something like that. Right, So, we

still don't even have proof of life of Netan Yahoo

or any of these guys. So you got to remember,

go back like a month and we got reports, Net

and Yahoo got hit, Bengavir got hit, all the top

guys we got worded, they got hit. And then they

started coming out with these Ai videos of these guys

doing stuff right, yeah, yeah, right, like with extra fingers

and stuff, and so like, nobody has any idea. We've

never been in a fog of war this dnse Ever,

in the history of warfare, we've never had our government

outright lying to us. You know what. The government still

says that we've only lost thirteen to fifteen servicemen in

this war, Iran says. Iran says, we've lost like six

hundred and fifty. So how to fuck to that? Well,

this is a huge divide. Where's the news. Have the

families been notified? Like, we don't have a clue what's

going on. But the Israelis are like fucking cockerroaches, Like

it seems like you can step on all of them

and they'll just keep coming back. And the problem is

even once let's say Israel gets destroyed, then the problem

will shift to people who support Israel around the world

will become the problem. You know, it'll become a diaspora

for Israel, and it'll become a very big problem for everyone.

Speaker 1: So what is next for you and your research? Are

you gonna continue with the JFK research?

Speaker 2: Oh, I've got years booked ahead of me already, man,

So I will finish up volume two of A Warning

from History within the next i'd say ten days. Once

that is done and published and everything's good, I can

go back to my work on Oswald, and I plan

on having another book out this year by October, the

Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White Volume two. So

as it stands, that is going to be a four

book set. All the research for the first two books

is done, and so I really I'm anxious to get

volume two finished because that will leave me Oswald in

the Soviet Union and Oswald from June sixty two till

the end, which, in my opinion, should be when it

comes to Oswald, the most important stuff. So, honestly, what

year is it? Twenty twenty six? I am probably booked

full on my research for at least two more years

to twenty twenty eight or twenty twenty nine, because I

have to actually do the research from scratch when I

get to the Soviet Union, and I figure that will

take me about six months to absorb everything and then

six months to write the book. So figure a year

on volume three and a year on volume Foh, the

volume four might be even worse. That might even be

a two year book because there's so much that goes

on between June sixty two and the end, and we

have a lot of Oswald's chronology already set. But I

have a feeling a lot of is wrong. So I

think that, to me, is going to be the most

important book I write Oswald from sixty two to the end,

because that will debunk any concerns people have, or any

last comments, or any last problems with Oswald in the assassination.

I hope to solve every last little detail when I

go through that last eighteen months of his life. So

that's what I got going on. And then I lest

to get to Martin Luther King one of these years.

Maybe by twenty thirty, I can get to Martin Luther King.

Speaker 1: Well, all right on, man, you also have day zero

bloody history. Let the audience know how they can get

a hold of you and find all your content.

Speaker 2: Yeah, Corey Hughes dot org is the best place to go.

But like my podcast is Corey Hugh's Bloody History, and

it's been doing really good. This month in particular, is

doing really good. So and then I do Day Zero

on Sundays and then I do Beyond the Cube on

Thursdays with X Cube and Okay, So I was doing

the Morals and Dogma on the Freemasons podcast because I

was I had to get to the bottom of it,

and unfortunately I got to the bottom of it in

like five episode, five episodes. It's the Jews, Okay, it

is the Freemasons is a Jewish recruitment mechanism, and it's

all about Kabala and Jewish mysticism one hundred percent. And

so I gave up on that because I'm just disgusted

by that whole thing. I don't want nothing to do

with it. But there's four or five episodes that are

pretty decent, you know, going through the Morals and Dogma book,

But that whole Freemason thing pisses me off to no end.

Those people are like, I don't know, weak minded, weak willed,

whatever they got to go along with the flow. I

don't know. But I'm very much interested in completing this

work on Lee Harvey Oswald in the next couple of years.

That's my number one priority.

Speaker 1: Excellent Corey, Thank you so much and until next time, everyone,

have an excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow. See

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