Another Conversation with Chuck Ochelli
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Speaker 1: Just real quick, because I want to bring Cory up
because he's here. I think that that mentality is something
that you is shared by you know, a lot of
people in the community, certainly among them, mister Corey Hughes.
Speaker 2: How you doing, man, Good good morning.
Speaker 1: Did you catch any of the love fests that we
had on Weezy Show yesterday? No, Billy Ray Valentine dropped
in and we ended up going like an extra hour
and a half as a result of it.
Speaker 2: Why do I know that name? Who the hells Billy
Ray Valentine? You know that name, of course I do,
but I don't know why.
Speaker 3: You might know it from a movie called Trading Places.
Speaker 2: Actually, Trading Places is one of the great classic movies
of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Billy Ray hosts The Infinite Fringe and he's been
around forever. I He's been on Union of the on
one of a bunch of times.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Charlie knows him really well. Charlie's done a number of
his nine to eleven events. Yeah, yeah, he's a Billy.
Speaker 3: Billy Ray, New York is a New York based uh uh,
you know podcaster who works with a couple of different networks,
has his own little thing going. Uh he's very plain smoken,
but but deeply thought out about most issues. But definitely
an alternative thinker kind of guy. Uh. I've been a
guest on his show. We've been on panels together for
various reasons over the years. And uh no, he's he's
a different sort of guy. But he speaks on a
street level kind of like I do, but a different
street Uh, you know what I'm saying. And uh uh
so I I have a lot of respect for Billy actually,
and uh you know, as a broadcaster, which is rare,
I can count and count them on about I don't
know less than one hand.
Speaker 1: You know, still owes me one dollar. He still owes
me one dollar.
Speaker 3: See, you make the one dollar bets like guy Steve.
You make one dollar bets like I do. And you
remember who oes you don't you? Okay, okay, good, Well it's.
Speaker 1: A one dollar bet with Billy Ray Valentine.
Speaker 3: Get that one, yes, sir, yeah, which again is hilarious
because since you know that the again, the movie Trading
Place is Corey, which is one of the greatest movies
of all time. And I'm proud to say I sat
in the theater and watched that when it was out
in the first run. And uh, that was in the
days when you could sit watch the movie and if
you stayed in the theater you could watch it again.
I don't know if you can still do that.
Speaker 2: You know, my dad would.
Speaker 3: I was like years old.
Speaker 2: When I was growing up, my dad used to without fail,
every time we'd go to a movie. We'd be walking
out and he'd be like, come here real quick, and
he would grab me and we would jump into another
movie and why the other one for free? So I
know what you're saying.
Speaker 3: For sure, Yeah, a lot of us did that, But
that was when I sat through twice, just saying trading
way about the time that was. That was Eddie Murphy's
character there. But uh, anyway, it's just uh. But but
as a broadcaster, he's a he's a different sort of guy,
and uh, and I appreciate him. You and I also
showed up on the Saturday night Anarchy shows need, which
was pretty funny because that was not planned. So you know, anyhow, Corey,
I'm there, goes Corey off screen for a second.
Speaker 2: I'm here. I don't know day day, I got nothing,
I got nothing. I'm waiting for my roommate to get back.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, no, I'm very, very very bottom of the
jar right now. Thankfully, one of the show producers raised
their hand and said, I'll stick a little care package
in the mid for your buddy. So within the week
I'll be back on track. But I do I do foresee,
uh yeah, a lean couple of days in my future.
Speaker 2: I'm in Colorado. There's like no excuse for that here.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in fucking California. There's no excuse for it.
But they made it legal, so everything sucks. That's the right.
They made it legal.
Speaker 3: Listen, and now we're just when you were just buying
the dirty dime bag, it wasn't that big a deal, okay,
But now that you got to go to the dispensary
and you know, give up your first born to get
a decent amount of something decent, I mean, you know,
on top of the fact that they corporatized it. Don't
get me started, Corey. We got other things to discuss,
right And you know, you and I interacted on Twitter
real quick, and that was weird. Over the weekend, what
was it, no, this week sometime, not the weekend exactly.
It started sometime this week somebody asked me a question
about James Files is what happened? And James Files is
one of these guys who I think is a pretender
because he is you know, I'm going to let you know,
if they ever let me out of here, will they
let him out of there? And he still hasn't, let
you know, claims to be one of the assassins himself,
you know of JFK, et cetera. And I don't buy
a story. And but anyway, so I was as.
Speaker 2: I have an associated who claims that he can put
James Files in Chicago on the twenty second, so which
I totally believe.
Speaker 3: I believe your associate because I've done the same thing.
So I know he was in Chicago, and he did
not make the trip at the time he said he
made the trip. He did make a trip to Mesquite,
Texas at a certain point, but it was not on
the weekend where the twenty seven OCCURK.
Speaker 2: The biggest problem I have with besides the fact that
he's completely full of shit, I have some there's some
problems surrounding that angle of the story that I don't
really agree with. So he was allegedly the driver for Nicoletti, right,
and so we only have one person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we only backup shooter.
Speaker 2: Right, right, So we only have one person who puts
Nicoletti in Dallas, and that is Chauncey Holt. So Chauncey Hallt,
according to Charncy Halt, they came in. They came in
from Pete Lickovoli's ranch down in Arizona, and they drove
in and he drove in with Nicoletti, Leo Musseri, who
is most certainly the old tramp, and somebody else. He
never mentions Danny Green. Here's the thing. I completely believe
that Chauncey Holt was in Daily Plaza hundred percent. You
know why because in that stupid interview he gives a
deathbed confession interview where he says he was a tramp
when he wasn't. He made a statement that he was
in Dealy Plaza, and that's everybody was getting arrested, including
somebody who was dressed all in black like a ninja.
And that, to me was all the proof I needed,
because I have pictures. I have a picture of somebody
in Daily Plaza dressed all in black like a ninja,
a couple of them actually, and so that to me
confirmed that Chauncey Holt was definitely there, but he said
he drove in with Nicoletty. And for the Nicoletti problem
is that Nicoletti murdered a guy named Foreman about a
week before the assassination. The FBI was looking for him.
He was on the lamb, and so to be on
the lamb and then show up in Daily Plaza could
be very contradictory, you know. So I just don't see
Nicoletti ever having gone there. I don't know why Chauncey
Holt would have said it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so yeah, Chauncey Holt, Yeah, no, listen, Chauncey Halt,
I would not believe him if I was you.
Speaker 3: But but you go ahead if you like. There's a
whole lot of problems with his story, including, you know,
the contradiction with with the arrest and quite frankly, a
comparison of that photo if you take a look at
Chauncey Holt contemporaneous with the time period, he's not that
tramp either. Okay, but yeah, you know, right, so you know,
come on, all right, anyway, look, if you want to
believe Chauncey Holt, find but Nicoletti. Yeah, you got a
big problem there. You can't place him there. We know
he was in Chicago. The FBI was tracking him down.
You're right about that murder situation. They were after him
for more than that, but that murder in particular is
one of the things they were interested in him for.
Nicoletti is a player, He's definitely a killer, but he
is not a guy who is going to be shooting
at long range. See, this is the problem. You're gonna
put somebody who kills somebody up close with a pistol, okay,
and hones that skill is not suddenly going to become
a marksman at a distance. It's not something great, Okay.
And also, as you said, we can prove where Nicoletti
was if we go out of our way. I bet
you I could get a court of law to accept
my evidence on it. So you know he was in
Chicago or in the Chicago Land area, let's say at
the time when President Kennedy was shot. So anybody who
puts Nicolettey in Deely Plaza is really is really talking
out of their ass. First of all, a big stretch.
Also to try and put you know, who was the
other guy the guy that keeps saying is the Godfather
of Los Angeles, which officially didn't even actually exist at
the time. You know Roselli, right, they want to put
him there. Uh you got I know where Roselli was,
and if you track things down, there's more than one
group of people who knew where Roselli was, including his
own associates and the FBI. He was tracking him. So
you know, you don't want to believe the FBI. Fine,
I believe the Italian businessman who knew where he was
because they sent them there. Anyways, you know, thing is
I was answering about files. Mister Sutton really that you know,
was incarcerated for a long time, told a lot of
wild stories and told more stories than just he was
a backup shooter who happened to be the guy who
scored the head shot allegedly, which forensically does not match.
We already have an analysis which shows us, you know,
at a minimum, a shot from the front and possibly
too from the rear that hit Kennedy without even counting
the strikes on Connolly. So you know it, give me
a break. So I was just answering that question on
Twitter because somebody said, hey, It's been a long time
since I heard of anything from you, and I know
you're a researcher, So what do you think of James Files?
People often run to me about something that they discover new.
What do you think of this? You know? But files
claims have been around since the late eighties, and quite
frankly got attention in the mid nineties. You know, when
Bob Vernon, who was a music promoter, took interest in
the situation and wanted to produce a home video. Believe
it or not, he was going to screen it actually,
you know, in movie theaters, but then it became a
home video, and then it flopped his home video, and
then another guy bought the whole franchise, if you will.
There's a whole history to that as well. So believe me,
I've been up and down on this story, and ultimately,
all I'm going to tell you is that James Smiles
is full of crap. So that's the end of the
story as far as I'm con and it's on a
lot of levels. And you know you want to treat
us on it, fine, you know, but have me come
somewhere and I'll give you a two hour presentation explaining
point by point wise full of crap if you want,
because that's what it would take anyways. But that's what
I was answering, actually, Corey. And then you jumped on
and you said what about this? Or you showed me
a picture of who he's saying is David Ferry. Now
I say, it's who you say, because I haven't proven
one way or the other in my mind, and I'm
being honest, whit you man, That's the way I handle things,
you know. I would say, Look, I love a lot
of the work that you've done. I know it's legitimate
because I've been across the same paths, but I don't
necessarily know all of it is exactly where it's at
because I haven't explored it all yet. But so you
claim me David Ferry, and I was kind of like
a little confused, like, what does that have to do
with the fact that James Files is full of crap?
You know?
Speaker 2: Well, well, the David story the bunks is the day
once you put David Ferry back there and there is
a second shooter behind the fence. But once you put
David Ferry back there, it debunks the whole James File
story like completely, and totally everything he says about being like,
why the hell they're gonna make a driver a shooter.
It's the the whole thing is so stupid. I don't
even really address it almost.
Speaker 3: Ever, right, But that's the thing is you're going to
be forced to deal with that and did the limo
driver shoot him? And you know, et cetera, et cetera,
because people are still discovering these things and it becomes
the revelation to them. You know, they're still discovering the
thing that I had to pay fits the bucks to
a bill out there in Arizona to get a videotape
of in what wasn't in nineteen eighty eight. You know
what I'm saying, You know, give me a break. It's hard.
And with the Internet, these things keep getting recycled.
Speaker 2: Corey.
Speaker 3: Now what you're doing is actually new work, So you know,
I'm more interested in that as opposed to the old garbage.
Speaker 2: That was one of the things I really shocked me.
So I started this July twenty eighteen. I've been on
it ever since full time. And so when I started,
within the first year, I started to discover things and
I was like, nah, I couldn't have just discovered that
because people have been working on this for sixty years,
and what are the odds that I figured out something new? Slim? None, Right,
so I would after it took me really two plus
years to really start be to realize these people are
fucking idiots and they've never solved the goddamn thing ever
in sixty fucking years, right, And so I'm like, holy shit.
Once I realized David Ferry lied about his alibi story,
it was like and all the pieces around David Ferry
started to fall into place. That's when I started to
grow this great disdain for the JFK research world because
I was participating in these forums and the Education Forum
and all these different places and just getting like shit on,
Like I've never been shipped on in my fucking life.
It's truly unbelievable. And so yeah, that's when I realized, Hey,
there's a ton of meat on this bone. There's a
ton of meat on this bone.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Just notice I'm not trying to take a dumb
on you about it, you know.
Speaker 2: What, right, right? And I appreciate that because I got
a lot of people who do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're dealing with somebody who's been at in
a long time, and I'll tell you there are rare
individuals who have gone into unique directions, and quite frankly,
the general community is not friendly because you know what
there it's waking up with the ugly girl again. You know,
like you get too drunk, the beer goggles are on.
You thought you took a model home and you did not,
And when you wake up with it, you either you know,
tell your friends, I still took a model home, or
you go, I was so drunk, got recognize and you know,
you can imagine more scenarios. That's where you want to go.
Speaker 1: But just by the way, by the way, quick, quick sidebar.
If you don't have many of those stories, it's because
you're the ugly girl in somebody else's story. That's right.
That's how.
Speaker 3: You've never you've never had a regrettable white knight stand
because all yours were great. Guess what you were?
Speaker 2: So this week I did a show, well I forget who.
I did a show with oh my buddy James Day,
who's an up and coming researcher and he's really on
point also, but I did a show with him this
week on things that are still debated, that really were
put to bed like decades ago, but for some reason
people still choose to debate them, like the Silver audio incident.
Do you know who was at the Silvia audio incident?
Do you know who was involved with that? Because it
was most certainly not Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 3: Well you know there there is the difficulty, right, is
that you have you have you have some interesting stuff
there and this has been discussed actually since the seventies. Uh,
the audio incident, believe it or not. But no, I'm
interested to hear what you have to say. And quite right,
you know what. You just the idea that I wish
you had done on my Corey. Uh really, I wish
you had done this with me.
Speaker 2: But please, I'll do a show with you anytime.
Speaker 3: So okay, let's schedule that. Let's schedule that seriously, but please,
I'd like to do I'm sorry, I'd like to that
idea that you did with James with James there, James Day,
his name is, yes, James A. I want I want
to duplicate. I want to rip you off, James telling
you now, I want to do the same show that
you did with Corey. Okay, because this is the kind
of thing I love to do. So please go go ahead.
I'm sorry continue all right.
Speaker 2: So, well, I'm sharing a screen, but Steve has to
like let it come up. When he gets back, he
can bring it up. But the Sylvia Odio incident, So
Sylvia Odio for the audience for people who don't know,
Sylvia Odio was contacted by a bunch of these mercenaries
in Dallas. Her parents were anti Castro Cubans. I think
they were still in jail at this time in sixty three,
and so they're approached by Lauren.
Speaker 3: Hall Corey please Corey. One thing though, could you provide
the background to the listener about her uncle if you
don't mind, because that's very very important. And the fact
is that this plays into the very famous event where
Oswald gets you know, arrested for the scuffle in the
street when he's handing out the fair play for Cuba,
you know, crap, and Carlos berry Gear engages an incident
with him publicly when he goes to court. Some very
interesting people are at the at the hearing where he
pleads guilty except small fine, and that leads to him.
Speaker 1: Oh we lost him.
Speaker 3: Oh oh.
Speaker 1: It's been weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Sylvia Odio's uncle he is also connected in
this like anti Castro Cuban circles down in New Orleans.
And so Sylvia Odio is the daughter of these two exiles,
and she crossed paths with a bunch of these mercenaries.
And so I'll wait for Chuck to get back before
I continue on. But this has been one of those
things that has been debated since the nineteen sixties, and
it's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous to me because we know
who exactly who was at Sylvia Odios. The story goes
that Oswald shows up with two Cubans and they ask her,
Sylvia Odio, to raise money for the anti Castro Cuban movement.
Let me tell you something else, the anti Castro Cuban movement.
None of these damn people, none of these mercenaries, none
of them gave a shit about Cuba. Okay, Cuba was
nothing more than a rallying cry and uh and something
for them to raise money off of, right. But they
ended up most of these guys ended up just pocketing
this money. Most of them didn't send any money to
any of these Cuban organizations at all. Chuck, are you
back with us? Do we have I don't know. Mm hm,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was trying to ask you though, if you could.
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if but the
uncle h the uncle to.
Speaker 2: Us, Yeah, Well I just touched on that he was
involved in the anti Casher movement and he crossed paths
with a bunch of these guys. So that was about
it in regards to the people who was great. I
never looked at you. I never looked into who his
associates were, because who his associates were would probably ice this.
But ultimately Lauren Hall confessed that it was Lauren Hall,
Lawrence Howard, and William Seymour who went to Soviet Odio.
As we have the document right here. Lauren Eugene Hall,
upon interview on September sixteenth, sixty four at Johnson Johnsondale, California,
stated he'd been in Dallas, Texas in September sixty three
in the company of Lawrence Howard and William Seymour, and
has contacted many Cubans in the Dallas area, including a
Cuban woman, a missus Odio, who lived in Apartment A
located on Magellan's Circle in the same building as a
Cuban friend named Kiki Ferrer. During a second interview on
September twentieth, Hall stated that during his visit in Dallas
in September sixty three, he was ac companied by Lawrence
Howard and a Cuban who he knewhim as Wahido, and
was not accompanied by William Seymour. Okay, so the cat's
out of the bag. On September sixteenth, Lauren Hall admitted
that it was him, Lawrence Howard, and William Seymour who
went to Sylvia Odios because the dummy didn't realize he
wasn't supposed to say anything. He was obviously then briefed
between then and the twentieth, and on the twentieth he
changed his story and he's like, I don't know what you're
talking about. Okay, So the cats out of the bag.
Not only do we have this document, I found no
less than three newspaper articles that were written that found
this exact same information. Okay, but you got people out
today who claim that it was like Bernardo de Torrez
and a bunch of other people, who is just makes
no sense whatsoever. So this is like one of those
things people still debate. They shouldn't debate because it's been answered.
It was answered on September sixteenth, nineteen sixty four. So
for sixty years people have been, you know, kicking the
can around on the Soviet audio incident. And why is
it so important? Because this shows that William Seymour was
impersonating Oswald period. He was introduced as Leon Oswald, which
I think is funny because at the Perry Russo party
you have Carrie Thornley is being introduced as Leon Oswald.
So leon Oswald was an alias that was being utilized
by two men, Kerry Thornley and William Seymour. But these
guys here are so so vitally important to the story.
I mean, stop sharing here and I'll show you one
reason why. Lawrence Howard is a big, fat, husky Latin guy, dark, complexted,
he's got a rough skin, he's got moles on his face,
often described as having a pockmark face. And there was
a man in Dealey Plaza who who was stopped, detained
and then let go because he spoke Spanish and he
didn't speak English, so they let him go. Seconds later,
He'll be seen in a green Nash Rambler by Roger Craig,
and then in the Green Nash Rambler, we'll pick up
a man who runs down the hill from the side
of the Book Depository and they'll head to Oak Cliff.
And so Steve, can you a share screen?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: So that man who was stopped in Dealey Plaza was
Lawrence Howard. He yelled in Spanish, he was seized by
police and let go, and then within a minute or
two he is then seen in the Green Nash Rambler
by Roger Craig. So this is why this is so important.
The audio incident is so important because it goes to
show how deeply entrenched hal Howard and Seymour were in
the book Depository and the greater plot. And if you
ask me, Oswald never stepped foot in that book Depository building.
It was a cover story. I actually have a press
interview with Wade, and Wade says and during the initial
interview of Oswald he denied ever being in the building
that day, which is to me priceless because I found
that long after I determined that Oswald never stepped foot
in that building, and that it was William Seymour who
was impersonating Oswald that entire time. So but yeah, this
is Lawrence Howard. The one thing about this incident with
Lawrence Howard is that I can't fit it into a
timeline because we have the shooting happen. We have within
three minutes, we have everybody rushing out the back door,
two men leaving a green in a light colored station wagon,
and then you have William Seymour walks into the railroad
yards and the Roger in the Robert Hughes film. So
I can't place this in the timeline anywhere, but we
seem to have the picture of it. I don't know
if the picture was staged or whatnot, because you had
to have somebody stop the man and then take a
picture of him. And I can't fit any of that
into the timeline. If you got guys rushing out the
back of the building and leaving in the green Nash
rambler and then circling the block. So Lawrence Howard, here
you go. He's the man who was stopped and seized
by police, if that actually ever happened. So I actually
do have another picture. Let me see if I can
dig it up real quick of what I believe Isilliam
Seymour in the railroad yards. So the series of events
that occurred leading up to that picture is the shots
are fired, the power gets turned back onto the building,
the elevators now functional. The shooters on the sixth floor
come down to the first floor, rush out the back door.
William Seymour will then rush into the railroad yards where
he's captured in the Robert Hughes film. The Robert Hughes
film is like just the most unbelievable film ever. It's
got so much good stuff in it, it's crazy. But
here's another picture. This, to me, I'm convinced, is William
Seymour in the in the railroad yards. And that's the
detective Trantham and he's standing next to two Hasidic Jews
who are further back in the distance. I don't know
why they're there, but you got William Seymour here. You
see he's wearing a light brown jacket. Now this completely
coincides with the statements of Baker, and truly, well not
truly truly went with the real story. But Baker, when
he fills out his statement, he says he stops a
man up on between the third and fourth floor and
he's wearing a light brown jacket. Well, there's your light
brown jacket. There's a man with a receiving hairline. This
is the man that was identified by Truly in the building,
identified as an employee, and then let go. This photograph
also debunks the coke story because this photo is taken
at approximately twelve thirty two PM. The coke story couldn't
have happened because William Seymour goes rushing out the back
of the building with the other shooters and he is
then captured here. He then returns to the book depository,
goes up to the six to four, comes down, and
then he stopped by Baker and Truly, And so therefore
the whole coke story is a lie. This picture proves
it's a lie. The timing doesn't allow for that coke
story to ever have happened. There's a bunch of statements
of people inside the book depository that don't make any
sense whatsoever because the timing doesn't fit the reality. So
but I got a couple more interesting pictures here. Let
me see on the tramps.
Speaker 1: I love picture time with Corey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun and it is this is this is uh,
this is the tall tramp. This is the tall tramp.
Is Danny Green Danny Green at the time was the
head of the Longshoreman Union in Cleveland. And it's funny
when you study the Danny Green's backstory. Uh, he was
a sniper trainer in the Marines. Most people don't know
that he went into the Marines became a sniper trainer
within like a year, within his first year, he became
a sniper trainer. So he must have been really good.
But he was there in Dealey Plaza. I can't say
for certain he was a shooter, But why would you
bring a sniper trainer to Dally Plaza if he's not
going to be a shooter? See, and this is the
dead giveaway, like, uh, he's got a very unique curl
right in front of his head. That's it right there.
I even took these two pictures and lined them up
like over each other in photoshop. They were perfect match
Danny Green, And that makes perfect sense to me because
then you got the old tramp.
Speaker 3: M h okay, you know what the problem is with
the tramp? Yeah, you know what the problem is with
the tramps though, is that, according to the police that
that I spoke to firsthand, that were involved in the
chain of arrests, that happened. You know, these guys were
not in a good position to do anything at the time,
you know, not in one of them. So you know,
the fact that they are such a huge focus Corey,
Quite honestly, it seems to me to be like one
of those things that was put there to mislead us
for a very long time, because none of these guys,
no matter how you identify them, quite frankly, is directly
involved in what went down. So you know, we were
led to believe that for many years. But ultimately, I mean,
I'm not trying to you know, again not pissing on
what you're showing anybody. I don't say that. I have
points of you know, debate about a bunch of things
that you're saying, But what I am saying is that, ultimately,
would you agree though, that they're not the players in
this incident? Now they may have been sent there for
a reason, merely to have this parade at arrest, you know,
to be the thing that people would see. Uh what
is your opinion on that that they're literally placed there
as a false lead?
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because these guys were genuinely trying
to escape, and so we have to address the fact
that there were two sets of tramps arrested. You have
the you know, the Gedney and those three guys who
they said were the tramps in the nineties who Fred
Litwin likes to run with and say was proof that
they were the tramps. Total bullshit on that.
Speaker 3: The original the guys you mean, the guys who showed
up on TV on a Current Affair or whatever that show.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, we're talking about those guys. Yes, okay,
So those guys were arrested. So this is where the
story gets really intertangled because those guys were arrested at
exactly twelve thirty five. They were jacked out of a
railcar with a sliding side door, okay, and they were
pulled out and there.
Speaker 3: Was like a fifty shots a box car.
Speaker 2: So there's like fifty cops there who pull them out,
and those guys get arrested, and then we have the
full my book, I outlined the entire story about them
going back and getting in you know, alleged getting cut loose,
but then they spend six days in jail. Doesn't make
any sense, but those guys are pretty much.
Speaker 3: What's yes in my unreleased archives, in my unreleased archives.
That's what I'm talking about, my unreleased archives. I interviewed
thirty of those guys you're talking about, the police officers,
So that's what I'm talking about. The stuff that nobody
wanted to hear from me, by the way, for years,
about that arrest and about the fact that we have,
you know, multiple arrests going on. So yeah, please continue,
because yeah, those guys were there, they showed on TV,
were there, Thank you, and we're arrested, but they're not
the only ones arrested. Please continue.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: So the next set of tramps the radio, it doesn't
go out to one fifty six pm. One fifty six
pm is when Lee Bowers sees three guys jumping at
the ninth box car of a moving train. This is
a different train that was there an hour and a
half before, and so Lee Bawers stops the train, calls
the police. They send out only two or three guys,
and they pulled these three tramps out of It was
a I don't remember if it had grain or coal
in it, but it was a considered a coal car
where it didn't have a sliding door. You had to
climb up the ladder out of the top and go
over the top. These three tramps were pulled out of there.
They then get shuffled out the back door of the
Sheriff's office. For some reason there walked to the Sheriff's
office and shuffled right out the back door. And so
the reason that's so.
Speaker 3: Important, okay, The reason why there's confusion here, though, is
that the Dallas Police are a separate agency from Bill
Decker's Sheriff's Department. And people need to keep that in
mind because you know, yes, the police department has one
set of stories and the Sheriff's department has another. Okay,
And anybody who lives anywhere where you have both agencies,
you know that this is the kind of thing that
goes on. So I examined both of them just like
you did. Apparently, so I'm glad we're going here. But
also a little bit of background, just real fast. When
you talked about the radio transmissions, officially, there are two
channels for the Dallas Police Department, Okay, but that's not
the communication. Even though there were sheriffs people on the
DPD broadcasts, they have a different channel for themselves, number one.
Number two. There is yet another unofficial channel because all
the traffic that was going on on the police channels
that day because of the incident, okay, and also just
any time that there's too much traffic on those channels
or these guys need to surreptitiously make a quick contact,
the cops had their own other alt frequency to go to,
so it is a little difficult to suss out. We
have the Dictvelt recordings obviously of the two main channels
that people have studied and gone over for years and
argued about, but there are actually four to five channels
that you need to investigate. Not you, Corey, but if
you want to know what was going on on the
radio traffic that day, there's four to five broadcasts at
a minimum that you need to know about in order
to track this stuff down. So don't get discouraged if
you hear Corey brings something up and it's not necessarily
on the Dicta Belt recording. Okay, go ahead, please.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So those the original three tramps with Gedney and
those guys, they the last we see of them is
right around two o'clock. Allegedly they're cut loose because they
have Oswald and custody. But then when they interview those guys,
they said they were in jail for like six days,
So there's some sort of breakdown disconnect there that I
haven't figured out. But to me, the most important of
those tramps is the short tramp, the one that James
Earl Ray identified as the real Raoul, which I completely
one hundred agree with. The short The short tramp I
identified as a guy named Vincent calt Gerone junior who's
never been mentioned in the history of all Kennedy research,
not one time time, which is fascinating to me because
he plays such an intimate role in this case. Not
only was he the brother in law of Jack Valenti
for about twelve years, he married Jack Valenti's sister, had
two kids, but also he is the first cousin of
the manager of the Winterland at the time that David
Ferry went to allegedly went to the ice skating rink, right,
So the ice skating rink was what solved this entire
thing for me. The ice skating rink. Everyone ignored the
Winterland story. Everyone ignored that place was owned by Lyndon Johnson.
That's the most important detail I think that that could
possibly come out. It was owned by the Johnson family, enterprise.
Mary Boots Roberts and her husband, Ronnie Roberts were professional
ice skaters going back to the nineteen forties, and if
you know anything about ice skating in the nineteen forties
and fifties, what you'll come to find is that they
were co opted by the CIA for smuggling. Same thing
with Disney on ice. All these all these just like
the carnivals, right that Larry Crafford's connected to. All these
traveling organizations were all co opted by CIA for whatever
purposes they had. And so when you get into the
winter land and you start to dig into like Mary Boots.
Speaker 3: This also goes into yeah, sorry, I just wanted to
give you a little side note though for the listener especially.
There was a bunch of rodeos that were also involved
as well. That we're doing smuggling on the domestic front.
That literally people don't believe this, but there was smuggling
with the rodeos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as well tied to the yeah.
Speaker 3: Rodeos, the circuses the believe it or not, Yes, the
CIA utilized them to smuggle people drugs, money. I'm just
it's a foundered sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Like I found an article I thought This was kind
of funny, like around this time. It might have been
a couple of years after this stuff, maybe mid sixties,
late sixties, but there the son of an executive who
worked for Humble Oil, who was only eighteen years old,
who had only been an ice skater for six weeks,
got a contract with Disney on ice And I saw that,
and I'm like, wait a minute. This guy been ice
skating for six weeks, his dad works for Humble Oil,
and he just got a contract to be a professional
ice skater. Give me a break. And then I kind
of realized that they kind of need people to manage
their smuggling operations. So I'm sure they picked up people
who weren't exactly skaters to do the illegal stuff. But
that I always thought whole smuggling thing was always fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's very fascinating. In case this a little
side note here again the whole reason why I'm familiar
with the smuggling with the rodeos. Guess what My grandfather,
Victor o'celli, this is an interesting story, was trampled to
death by a horse and guess what he was working
for at the time. So there you go. Wow, my
father's father was a was a rodeo clown. Sometimes he
was a tough guy, and you needed to be a
tough guy as a rodeo clown.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: He was generally known just as sort of a tough
guy in Jersey City, New Jersey. But anyway, uh, if
you dig into it, yeah, believe it or not, the
rodeos had all kinds of uh, shady and black and
gray market business as well as animal.
Speaker 1: Ccilians in there. They're definitely shady.
Speaker 3: Well, there you go. It comes with yeah. And he
was an immigrant, so you know, this was just an
and known matter of fact, a funny thing. They would
call him hop along grease ball sometimes. Picture this an
Italian walking around in Jersey City, New Jersey with a
cowboy hat on. Uh, there you go. That was my grandfather.
No kidding, Okay, you don't.
Speaker 1: Have any Mexicans. There weren't any Mexicans in Jersey City,
so they had to get something vaguely brownish. And they're like, oh,
we'll go with the we'll go with the Sicilian over there.
It's the closest that we got, will make will make
him the clown, and it makes sense. It's still you know, yeah, yeah,
I get it.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: And so one more, one more picture I wanted to
share puts this is a This is a clip from
the Robert Hughes film. So the Robert Hughes film, like
I said, is incredible. This there's JD. Tippett standing right
on Houston Street at exactly twelve thirty, which basically completely
debunks the fake radio traffic that he called out at
the store with take it in, that person into custody
and all that. And so most people when they dig
into Tippet, they start they go through his motions the
whole day, They go back to Austin's barbecue, they do
all that. So I don't care about none of that stuff.
Once I realized he was right here. His entire timeline
before this meant nothing. And so him, uh, this completely
is corroborated by the statements of Velma that we listened
to last time, where he meets with David Ferry back
behind the book depository and the railroadyards before he heads
over to the Gloco station. So yeah, this is another one.
H Well, here's a here's the thing. This picture, it's
not like the original. This is well, this is the original.
It's untampered. When you go and you look at any
other pictures of the Robert Hughes film, you will not
see this. This one picture I found buried in a
stack of pictures from the prayer Man website. Of all places,
the place is actually good for galleries, but the alter
the most people just see the altered version, which you
can't see any of this. It's all blacked out. Tippet's
face is covered up. I mean, it's a whole lot.
They went to a lot of trouble to tamper with
a lot of the photos. So but yeah, so I
find that the research world frustrating, just because they like
to debate shit that shouldn't be debated to stuff that's
been pretty much settled, but they don't like to accept
that it's settled. I don't know why. It's a very
interesting space to exist in.
Speaker 3: And this is why I have my own scan of
the Hughes. Yeah, I have my own scan of the
Hughes film. Oh there you go, all right, at least
Corey's straight now. If the rest of us get there,
it'll all be good. But that's why you got to
obtain your own, uh, you know, scans of these things.
You gotta you gotta go as close as you can
to the original copies of everything, because if you don't, uh,
you will encounter lots of you know, mishaps with important
key pieces of data that you will be able to
glean from the originals as best you can. So uh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: So another thing, another person. The one person who is
most overlooked in this entire assassination is Kerry Thornley. Like
no one ever talks about Kerry Thornley, and I don't
even understand how that's even possible. So carry Thornley, Kerry Thornley,
and Oswald where buddy is going back to Well, they
weren't really buddies, but they knew each other in the
Marines for about a five week period at Santa Anna
at the helicopter base. And so the funny are you.
Speaker 3: Familiar with are you familiar with Adam? Are you familiar
with Adam?
Speaker 2: Go rightly, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't like a lot
of his stuff. He's a he's a he's a Kerry
Thornley apologist and tries to deny Thornley was involved in
any of the stuff, which is just ridiculous. Of course,
that Thornley is the most person in the whole story.
Speaker 3: Well, he's got a lot of interesting information on Thornley.
That that's the only reason why I point him out,
because he did take a lot of time to show
us a lot of the other background of Thornley. That's
the only reason why I pointed him out. Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also cherry picks a lot of his data.
Like so when you go through Wiseberg's Assassination Industry book,
there is a great section on it when he goes
and talks to Doug Jones, because I guess Garrison didn't
even go talk to Doug Jones or he dismissed what
Doug Jones had to say at Jones printing. So this
is about the flyer for the audience, the fair play
for CUBAA Committee flyer that Oswald never had printed. So basically,
Kerry Thornley was the man who was picked out by
jug Jones as having got the flyers printed. He picked
out out of one hundred photographs, he picked out four
pictures of Kerry Thornley. One of them even had a
big beard, and so it was slam dunk like Kerry
Thornley got the flyers printed. But Adam go rightly. What
he did he was he went through all the different
statements surrounding that, which is about fifty pages of documents,
and in one statement, on one page, somebody who worked
at Doug Jones told him the guy who picked up
the flyers was short and stocky, okay, And so he
just cherry picked that one piece of data and ran
with it. And so you can't do that, okay, when
you're when you're doing a law enforcement type investigation, you
got you gotta understand witnesses are going to give you. You
can interview fifty people about one incident, You're gonna get
fifty different descriptions of the guy, and you got to
kind of wade through that and figure out how to
go about identifying your suspect. Right. But it's it's very common.
We even have that a lot of places in Kennedy.
People will provide various statements, various descriptions of a suspect.
But then when you go through it, you're like, oh,
that guy's completely wrong. I couldn't have been that right.
And so I don't like when people cherry picked like
one fact, when like the overwhelming body of evidence says
something else. And that's exactly what he did, and he
just he's constantly in defense of Kerry Thornley. And when
you come to understand that Kerry Thornley, God, what a
duplicitous piece of garbage that guy was. When you understand
his history, like carry Thornley was a was a nerd,
he was a ass kisser, teacher's pet, straight a student
who won like science Fair, science Fair competitions. And I'm
convinced he was recruited by the CIA at the when
he won the Voice of Democracy contest in nineteen fifty six.
All right, So then Kerry Thornley lies about to the
Warrant Commission, and he lies about when he was in
the Marines. He said he didn't join the Marines soill
September of fifty eight. That's complete bullshit. I have his
complete military history and it goes back to September of
fifty six and his first two years. He wasn't just
in the reserves. He went through all of his basic training.
He went through artillery training.
Speaker 3: Okay, But this is my basic problem with Thornley anyway,
is that he got to recognize that throughout any of
his statements, he's a liar, you know, And that's the
problem with him altogether, is that he was clearly in
proximity to these events. He was clearly in proximity to
a bunch of characters that are important. But he's so
full of shit that it's like, you know, and again, look,
he's also a guy who kind of started at a religion,
you know, for people who are not familiar. I mean,
you know, a weird sort of be the Discordian Society
or whatever the hell they called it. Uh, and it
still exists in this day. Weirdo kind of out there,
you know, alternative religion, you know, like scientology but broke ass,
I mean, you know, a bit weird, all right, just
saying and Steve is not saying anything about scientology. This
is o Chelly's problem. Okay. Anyways, just just for the record.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to kick herround scientology, we
could do that for the rest of the show. That'd
be easy. No, I know, I'm trying to What I'm
trying to do is not constantly step on the moment
on my life the way that this is going. Man,
it's yea.
Speaker 2: Harry Thornley. So here's the thing. Like starting with the
Perry Russa party, if you want to re you have
to reverse engineer a lot of things from a single
moment and then work backwards. And that's the kind of
what I did with Kerry Thornley. Because you have Perry
Russa when he goes and he testifies and does he
does multiple interviews and testimony at clay Shaw trial. He
says that the guy who was living that David Ferry,
his roommate, was a bearded beatnik. And there's only one
bearded beatnick in this whole damn story, Kerry Thornley. And
there he is with the rose in his mouth, and
all right, so he's.
Speaker 3: Also dirty, right, Corey, he's also dirty. Right, He's got
these weird mannerisms. And this is something that's common among
all the witnesses. Right, So the guy's dirty, he's got
a beard, he's a beatnick, he's all these things that
the you know, historical Lee Harvey Oswald would never be correct. Okay,
Lee Harvey Oswald keeps his hair well cropped. Yes, he's
got a receiving hair. But he's clearly a young, thin,
gaunt guy who is not growing a beard, who doesn't
even let his facial hair appear, even though he was,
you know, extremely cheap and probably kept a razor from
the time he was thirteen, you know, to keep sharp, right,
because he was frugal. This guy would never have allowed
a beard to show up on his face. The historical
Lee Harvey Oswald. So this dude Leon that they're describing
in this meeting, who's dirty, got a beard, a beat
nick all this stuff is absolutely inconsistent with historical Lee
Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, right. And the funny thing is that dirty
description helped me pick out where Carry Thornley was all
over the place, because you got Carrie Thornley impersonating Oswald
in Dallas between September of sixty three. In the end,
I got Furniture Mart when he goes to furniture Mart
with Marina, and then you can connect. We have witnesses
who put Carry Thornley and Marina together in New Orleans. Actually,
we have a neighbor of Oswald who said that they
saw Carrie Thornley over at the house with Marina and
Oswald so often that they weren't sure who the husband was.
There's other witnesses who saw Kerry Thornley walking to the
Schwegman's grocery store with Marina, Right, So what does this
tell me? This tells me all the places where Oswald
is seen where he's dirty and scene with a woman
who's pregnant, who as a child with her. Also like
in all this is great because this will lead right
to the Clinton voter registration incident, which was definitely not Oswald. Okay,
nobody seems to understand the Clinton voter registration incident. The
Clinton voter registration incident. So what you have is they're
trying to the whole point of that is they're trying
to get into Jackson Hospital, and I can't figure this
out for the life of me. The timing of this
is very suspect because what you have is a guy
trying to get a job at the Jackson Mental Hospital. Okay,
we'll return to Jackson in here in a minute with
my speculation. But then what he does first is this
person who shows up in Clinton will first go to
McGee's barber shop and get a haircut. McGee will later
tell the FBI this guy didn't need a haircut. Where
the guy comes in, sits down, gets a haircut, starts
asking him how he can get a job up at
the Jackson Mental hospital, and he goes, oh, well, you
need to go talk to Reeves Morgan. Reeves Morgan is
our local representative. If anybody can get you a recommendation,
he can.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: Another incident, this man in a gray beat up old
Plymouth with with a woman who's pregnant, who has a
child in the back seat. They then go to Reeves
Morgan's house and Reeves Morgan's like, who the hell are you,
and he tells him the whole story. Hey, I want
to get a job at Jackson, Can you give me
a recommendation?
Speaker 3: And he goes.
Speaker 2: Reeves Morgan tells him, well, really, it's in my best
interest to give the recommendation to somebody who is one
of my constituents. And if you're not a constituent, I
need you to become a constituent and go register to vote.
That's why the whole Clinton voter registration incident happened in
the first place. And once you understand the relationship between
Kerry Thornley and Marina, how they're setting Oswald up together,
this fell right in line with everything else I was studying,
including the fact that he had dirty fingernails and was
a beat nick. You also get this description in the Alice,
Texas stuff. After Oswald allegedly went to Mexico City, which
he never went. It was Kerry Thornley who went to
Mexico City. When he leaves, he leaves in a car.
He never took any of those buses. He was driven
to the border and then he's picked up by a
woman and then drives the car away from there. The
woman he's seen with is pregnant and has a kid
in the backseat. Okay, so, and then they go to Alice, Texas.
They go to the radio station where he tries to
get a job at the radio station, and like they're like,
this guy was gross. He had stubble, he had dirty fingernails,
all the stuff, right, And so yeah, Carrie Thornley was
playing a major role in setting up Oswald this entire time.
And then one thing that I saw was that Oswald
allegedly took typing lessons when he was in Dallas in
the last couple of months. But the person described had
very dirty fingernails all the time, so it clearly wasn't Oswald.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: We see this time and time again. We see it
all over the place where Oswald is described as having stubble,
or he was at a bad attitude, or he had
dirty fingernails. Never Oswald in any of those situations. And so,
but Carry Thornley is left out of everything. He wasn't
mentioned in the JFK film, he's never mentioned in any documentary.
He's not mentioned in anything. And so when you come
to realize that when Carrie Thornley left Santa Ana, California,
they sent him to Atsugi, Japan, into Oswald's old unit
and what was MACS one. And so once he gets there,
the FBI talked to a guy named Ronald Schwinghammer who
was a marine out there. Ronald Schwinghammer said he met
a recruit named Rick Thornley. So Carry Thornley's using an alias,
and this guy was asking all kinds of questions about
Oswald and other people who knew Oswald. So he's sent
to Atsugi to basically, in my opinion, learn to become Oswald.
He's out there and he's talking to his friends, he's
getting information about him. He sent to the same unit,
he's doing all the same stuff. And then it is
in around October of nineteen sixty. October of nineteen sixty
that he gets out and he goes to Whittier, California.
Then the first incident we have approaching the setup of
Oswald goes to Bolton Ford, where Carrie Thornley puts himself
in New Orleans February of sixty one. But I don't
believe him at all. I think he got out of
the Marines, went to visit his parents in Willier, California,
and then got shipped immediately to New Orleans. Because if
you're going to go to bolton Ford, but Lawrence Howard
and set up this fake thing with Oswald to get
quotes for jeeps for Cuba, You're not doing that overnight.
You're gonna have to get into the into the place
you're at, You're gonna have to meet the people. You're
not have to prep and all that stuff. So when
he says he got there in February of sixty one,
I think he's lying. But the connections to Kerry Thornley
are so.
Speaker 3: Okay and everywhere. Yeah, the incident at Ford, by the way,
you know, occurs while Oswald's in Russia, right or exactly? Yeah,
go ahead. I just want to so we have history.
Speaker 2: And also that's not the only time that we have
some incidents with Oswald while he's already in Russia. I
believe Carry Thornley gets arrested and give Oswald's name. Uh,
there's a there's an incident where Carrie Thornley or somebody
who gave the name Oswald and another person were up
at the lake front. They were in a car. They
get stopped by the cops and they get arrested for loitering.
That was most certainly Carry Thornley. Also, no, I do
can't see anybody else pretending to be Oswald, and that
incident is documents on all there is hearsay about the
cops who remember that incident. So there was a lot
of laziness that went on with this setup, particularly on
Kerry Thornley's part. But one thing I realized, particularly with
the Jones printing stuff, if Kerry Thornley is out there
getting the flyers printed, that means he was given a
lot of leeway. He was given room to set this
thing up right. He wasn't given explicit instructions. He had
some wiggle room that he could plan these things, that
he could go to Alice, Texas and impersonate Oswald, that
he could go to different places and say he's Oswald
and talk about communism and all this stuff. Right, there's
so many incidents where Oswald and a pregnant woman with
a kid in a backseat who always sat in the
car because she didn't speak English, they go and talk
to people, Like when he goes and tries to get
a room in Baton Rouge, he approaches this woman who's
also named McGee and she says basically yeah. He's like, yeah,
you got a place where I can store my guns?
I got a lot of guns right now, I like
communism And he starts talking about Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So they were dropping these little hints everywhere, to the
point where when I realized that Kerry Thornley himself was
given as much leeway to create the backstory, to fabricate
this these impersonations, it really made me realize that there
wasn't a lot of top down input really there was
it in the setup that the setup was kind of
left to these guys, you know, to their own their
own ways of doing things, which I found very shocking.
I would think this would have some ironclad top guys
dictating exactly what would have to go down, but that
doesn't seem to be the case, right, But yeah, Erry
Thornley one of the most important people in the whole thing,
shooter of JD. Tippett, along with David Ferry. But you
know that never seems to get discussed. The tip of shooting.
I find very fascinating the thing about tip of shooting.
I still don't know why why they had to have
Tipic get shot. It was definitely set up that way.
It was definitely planned that way. And I don't know
if it was just to force people to give a
shit about Kennedy getting killed, because most of those cops
really didn't. They didn't give a shit. They didn't like
Kennedy in the first place. They had to do their jobs,
but still they didn't really they were not Kennedy supporters
at all. So then you can get into some of
the like weird freemason stuff.
Speaker 3: You want to answer that why? Yeah, to answer that
why question, Corey, I wonder what your thought is on.
You know, it became convenient to have a cop killed,
and this guy was, you know, definitely angering a lot
of the local husbands, you know, going and visiting their
wives during the day. Tip It was quite a bit
according to what I could understand from locals at the time.
So you know, is it maybe just a matter of
convenience to throw some chaos into the situation where the
DPD would be very interested to track down a cop
killer on any given day, and it just so happened
he'd be a convenient guy to get rid of because
he was pissing off a lot of men around town.
So you'd have a huge list of suspects you did
a real investigation with tip of dying. Is that of possibility.
Speaker 2: So that's a possibility. I could see that. I kind
of thought it was like if they had to kill
a cop to get the other cops interested in nailing
this Guy's kind of like, that's kind of an ongoing theory,
which I really don't seem to have any issues with.
It makes sense. And also maybe it was just closing
a loose end. Maybe he had more knowledge about the
assassination than they felt comfortable with. I'm very curious is
to know what he was supposed to do with the Gloco,
because you know, you got that bus station right there.
I'm convinced he was supposed to intercept somebody getting off
the bus. That was the bus Oswald allegedly got on,
but nobody ever got on that bus. So that thing
is the whole bus situation is confusing with me, because
you got the cops get on the bus and they
start searching it. Then the bus continues on and goes
to it eventually where tip it is. But none of
that really a lot of sense to me, because Oswald
never got on that damn bus. If you ask me,
Oswald the whole morning was sitting at Ruth Payne's house
until he caught a bus to the Texas Theater. So
I don't understand why they came. They went to very
They went very in depth with that whole bus and
cab story, which tells me that there was just some
overplanning that went on. I think it was kind of unnecessary.
But there's not a single personal planet Earth who can
tell me number one, how Oswald got to the book
depository that day, and number two how he left the
book depository that day. None of the stories that was
supposed to cover how he got there or left make
any sense at all. Buel Fraser is a complete liar.
Fraser said, the guy who showed up that morning was
wearing a gray more or less flannel wool type coat.
Oswald doesn't know a coat like that, so what are
you talking about? And if Oswald had a coat, why
do you have to go home to get a coat? Like,
none of the stories surrounding how Oswald got there or
left make any sense at all, and I don't think
we'll ever really know so, but Buell Fraser's still alive,
you know, I don't know why that guy seems to
have like battered wife syndrome or something he keeps covering
for the government. They were obviously setting him up as
a second Patsy. So when Oswald goes to the rifle
range the sports drome, right, technically it was not it
was not Oswald, It was William Seymour and Lawrence Howard.
And we know it was those two because once again
we have Oswald being seen with a large looking, dark
complexed Latin guy. You know, it's always the same story.
So I don't understand why. I don't understand why people
haven't been able to debunk these things, like Oswald couldn't
have done any of the things that not a single thing, like,
not one thing Oswald said they say he did, did
he have to actually do?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 2: Was all these impersonations. But the sports Drome, I think
is pretty cool. One read through the Warren Commission testimony
of Garland Slack and Malcolm Couch and you're like, what
are you talking about? This is in Oswald, right, So
Oswald had rifles handed over the fence to him. He
wasn't there alone. He shot at Garland Slacks targets. Then
you got a guy some people say like, oh, it
was definitely Oswald, and they tried to put him there
with a guy named Michael Bentley Murph, who was another tall,
six foot guy who was there shooting that day who
was interviewed, but it wasn't. That guy was just a bystander.
But yeah, you can tell they went to great lengths
to create this, this backstory, this legend, this myth of
Oswald the dissident and the guy who owned rifles and
all this stuff. And I can't even put a rifle
or a gun in Oswald's hand ever, like not once.
So yeahs th wild, It is wild. I like that. Personally,
I'm more fascinated with the Oswald stuff, like I'm anxious
to finish. I'm about halfway through the second volume of
my second edition of A Warning from History that should
be out I'm actually I have to finish it this week.
It'll be out within like two weeks. But I'm so
dying to get back to my study of Oswald, because
the study of Oswald's life is the most fascinating shit
I've ever come across in the history of the world.
There was unquestionably to Oswald's and I believe they were
brothers undocumented and it's a long, crazy story. When you
go back into the when you study Marguerite Oswald, that
girl and that woman is a lying hoe. Okay, she
is a lying hoe. She got around with every guy
she could, cheated on everybody she was with. She cheated
on ed Pick, her first husband, with a guy named VJ. Knoblaw,
and then I can't find any information on him. He
was a used car dealer. And then after that she
gets with Robert Oswald. She gets with Robert Oswald while
she's still married to ed Pick, so she's cheated on
him multiple times at this point. And so yeah, I'm
convinced that I'm convinced there's another brother in this picture.
When you go through all the documents surrounding the timing
of what Marguerite Oswald was doing between thirty nine and
forty one two ish. We have major gaps, but we
also have some weird, crazy inconsistencies. But ultimately, what I
think happened is I think that Lee Oswald is born
the person who went to jail in November twenty second.
That's not Lee Oswald, not even remotely close. Here, I
have a picture. I have a picture of the real
Lee Oswald. I have a couple of them that I'll
actually bring up. Okay, so let me share some of these.
First off, we'll share. I'll share this one first. This
is Lee Harvey Oswald when he was in the Marines.
This photo was taken on December twenty fourth, I believe,
of nineteen fifty six. That's not the guy who got
arrested on November twenty second. This photograph was actually classified
top secret until like the HSCA. If I'm not mistaken,
why would that be, Well, because it's not Oswald, it's
clearly not Oswald. And so here I got another one.
This is Lee Oswald photographed in at Suji, Japan. This
photograph he's actually I might have a better copy of this. Also,
he's actually holding a rifle. Two of the pictures I'll
show you is Oswald holding a rifle, which you would
think if they want to show that Oswald could handle
a rifle, they would share these pictures with the public
of Oswald holding a rifle. But did they do that,
Absolutely not, because they knew it wasn't Oswald. Let me
see if I have that better picture. No, I can't
find it, but I got this other picture here. This
is one of my favorites. This is the most obvious.
It's not Oswald. This photograph was taken in sometime in
nineteen God it, we don't need fifty nine. Possibly you see,
Robert Oswald took this graph and he changed the date
of it three times. Why he did that, I don't know,
but I believe this picture was taken in nineteen fifty nine,
sometime around probably late maybe December fifty eighth January fifty nine.
But Robert Oswald will eventually change this till September of
fifty nine. Why he does that, I don't know, but
that man as sure as hell and not the guy
got arrested on November twenty second. And so when I
first got into studying these two Oswald theory into all
of John Armstrong's work, I took a kind of with
like a grain of sand or salt or whatever that's
saying is. And I'm like, eh, we'll see. But then
when you actually go into the record, it's like, oh
my god, it's it's unbelievable to me. The most damning
and obvious indications that there were two Oswald goes into
like when they move into one oh one San Saba
in Benbrook. So in Benbrook they're not supposed.
Speaker 3: To have moved in. Well, then who's in the whole movie?
Speaker 2: That's a wow, great question, great question. Yeah, that is
the Oswald that we know is Oswald. So when you
read John Armstrong's John Armstrong went and met with John
Pick who is Oswald's half brother, and he was very
cagy with giving him answers, and so he asked him
a couple questions. He because he asked them about pictures
that were shown of Oswald when he testified at the
Warrant Commission and looking at the pictures like the picture
from the Bronx Zoo. Okay, the Bronx Zoo picture of
Oswald is he looked at that picture and he said
in his testimony, Sir, I cannot identify this person as
my brother. Lee Harvey Oswald. But you know who could
identify that picture, which I thought was weird, Milton Curian.
Milton Curian, who met with this Oswald, was able to
identify him thirty years later to John Armstrong in two seconds.
He's like, Yeah, that's the kid I met and was.
But Oswald's own brother couldn't identify that picture. But that
picture was taken by Robert Oswald.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And in fairness to John Pick, John Pick has
been threatened a lot. John Pick has been uh harassed
to such a degree that I would not be surprised
if he's cagy with everybody. Uh and you know, nice guy,
uh not somebody that that I want to disturb personally
unless I have to, you know, uh that that sort
of thing. And uh No, he's been threatened though, by
very serious threats over his uh his truthful answers over
the years. So Pitt is a very obvious why in
my opinion, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the weird thing is that like Oswald, Robert
Oswald was clearly in on this scheme because he took
the photo of the Bronx zoo. And when you really
go through his testimony, you'll find all kinds of inconsistencies,
and he said things he shouldn't have said about when
he visited his brother in New Orleans and where and
all this stuff. And like you can see even Dulles
running cover for Robert Oswald because he's asking him. So
this is one of the greatest things. Like when you
go through Robert Oswald's testimony, he testifies that in January
of nineteen fifty four, he goes to New Orleans to
visit his brother and his mother and he stayed, he
stayed at their apartment. As Jenner or whoever the lawyer was,
is about to ask about that address, Dulles cuts him
off and asks for a five minute recess. And why
is this important? This is important because during this January
to May, Okay, from January to May of nineteen fifty four,
I challenge anyone on planet Earth to tell me where
Lee Harvey Oswald was living, because nobody can. And then
when you get into some answers on where Oswald was living,
it comes back to one twenty six Exchange Place, which
was told to John Armstrong by Myra drus LaRue, who
had known Harvey Oswald. Remember, people think I'm Strong is
crazy because he talks about Harvey and Lee. Well, guess what,
when you go through the documents, you'll find that this
person we're talking about introduced themselves as Harvey dozens of
times to people, including post June sixty two, including post
June sixty two. So we got two people here. One
of them identifies himself as Harvey his whole, his whole life.
And so this is true in the January of May
nineteen fifty four era when Harvey and his caretaker mother,
who I believe is amminth Voyta, the first cousin of
Marguerite Oswald. This is this era. This is when this
is the only address we can come up with between
January and May of fifty four is one twenty six
Exchange Place, because that's when they leave from New York
because the cops were after, you know, Oswald for ditching school,
which is not really that. That's the whole complicated story.
Secondary he wasn't ditching school. We have a perfect attendance
record for Oswald. How was he a truant?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So, but once they get down to New Orleans January
to May fifty four, we can't say where they were
living except from the testimony of Myra Darus LaRue who
puts him at one twenty six Exchange Place because she
drove him home. But guess what, they're not so suposed
to have moved into one twenty six Exchange Place until
fuck like a year later, like June of fifty five. Right,
so I pulled apart the ownership of one twenty six
Exchange Place. It was owned by Loving Enterprises. Loving Enterprises
happened to have an office in a CIA building downtown,
which was crazy where all the embassies were so really
wild stuff there. But when you get into like the
like I'm to me, like, it's impossible once you understand
the problems with the timeline, particularly between i'd say between
forty six and fifty six when he goes to the Marines.
It is NonStop contradiction in the addresses. And I think
I did a good job of figuring out where and
when they were at what times, because around October of
nineteen fifty four October fifty four, Oswald and his mother
are supposed to be living at Myrtle Evans Place, right,
They're supposed to be living over at Myrtle Evans Place.
But we start getting letters from margarite o'sbalt to John
Pick in October of fifty four, which indicates that Oswald
and his mother had moved into one twenty six ex
Change Place by October. But that contradicts the official story,
which says they didn't live there until June of fifty five. Right.
And so the the great thing about this October of
fifty four times timeline that we're talking about is that
once you get over, once you get over to Stripling
Junior High and you start looking at like the statements
made by the vice principal Frank good Lady and Franchetta Schubert,
Oswald is one hundred percent clearly put at Stripling Junior
High in Fort Worth for a six week period around
October to December of nineteen fifty four. And that completely
is that totally contradicts the whole notion that he's over
at Boregard. But he is at Boreguard, because we have
pictures of him at Bouregard, right. So what they did
was they had one Oswald going with his name Lee Oswald.
Then they swapped him out for the fall semester of
fifty four. It's crazy the idea that they thought they
could get away with this and so sloppy. What It
tells me is this is experimentation. They're experimenting with this,
you know, Cold War era trade craft at this kind
of low level. But the best part for me was
after this October fifty four period, you get into like
January of fifty five, then we start to have witnesses
who put Lee Harvey Oswald at Monig Junior High in
Fort Worth. And the reason that I believe that he
was there at fort Worth, we have a guy named
Tommy Brown who tells John Armstrong that he knew Oswald
at Monig. And this is the best part of this
whole story. He says that he lived on Davenport and
he explains it was ten or eleven houses down Davenport
from the cross street I believe of Exeter. And you're like,
wait a minute, what And when you go look at
a map, that map to that house that Dommy Brown
said Oswald lived at is the house on Davenport that
Robert Oswald will buy. But guess what, Robert Oswald will
not buy that house for another two years. So we
got Oswald at the Davenport addressed two years before Robert
Oswald ever bought the damn thing. This is the stuff
that gets me out of bed in the morning. Holy shit,
what were they doing? What were they doing? What spy
tradecraft kind of stuff were they doing? Where they're putting
Oswald in a house that his brother will eventually buy
two years later doesn't make any sense at all. Whenever
I read stuff that doesn't make any sense, I'm like,
this is Cia.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Let me ask you a question about exploring Oswald's
childhood though, And again I'm objectively asking these things because
it's rather confusing. You know, how do you put into
context though, the fact that you know, you mentioned Margarite
as a you know, a ho and kind of a
wild child a little bit because she was. She's dropping
off for kids to all sorts of different places, splitting
them up them together. There is a shuffle going on
here that I don't think, you know, people understand is
happening when you're trying to follow Oswald's timeline. He's in
orphanages for brief periods of time where she drops them off.
He's you know, in different places, staying with his with
her cousins, staying with different people, just moving in with
like family friend in quotes, you know, and he's all
over the place. This kid I'm just saying. And by
the way, his brother's same thing. Sometimes they're together, sometimes
they're not. I mean, so it becomes a confusing labyrinth.
How would you sort of bottle that for people to explain?
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure, and that's the best part. And I consider
this to be something that I've concluded that no one
else has ever concluded, which I don't understand why between
the time period that Oswald was born and April of
nineteen forty four, we cannot say any kind of certainty what,
what or where Marguerite Oswald, where she was or what
she was doing at all. So the first time Oswald
gets dropped off is in forty one.
Speaker 3: I want to say, ze here, one hundred percent through
what you're saying, I cannot find where Marguerite Oswald is
during that time period. I don't know a researcher that ken.
Speaker 2: Please, I'll tell you where she was, thank you, I'll
tell you exactly where she was. So basically what happened
is and we have to fast forward to Marguerite Oswald. Well,
the fake Marguerite Oswald put out a book called A
Mother in History she wrote with Gene Stafford that talks
about oh woe is me. My life was so hard,
you know, and all this stuff. It's really it's a
hilarious book. It's really short. It takes about two days
to read. There's one page in it where she says,
and I don't think she gives a year, but it
had to have been forty two. She says that she
was working as a phone operator at the navy base
in Algiers, Louisiana. And that's the only reference you'll ever
see to Marguerite Oswald having anything to do with the navy.
So then when you start to dig into Marguerite Oswald,
the timing of when she dropped off Oswald with Lillian Morrett,
who's definitely a spook. Lillian Morrett's a spook. We'll come
back to her. But Oswald's in her custody and he's
with her for just under a year, about ten months,
and then he goes to the Besth Orphanage and he's
in the best Ham Orphanage about a year. And then
he's back and forth between the orphanage and Lilian and
Morett's house, and then by April of forty four, all
the everyone's out of there, including the brothers. So but
Marguerite Oswald's a horrible human being. She tried to give
her kids to the orphanage permanently, like I have the letter,
and then it was rejected and she's like, fuck you guys,
I want you to get my kids. So between forty
one and forty four, I believe she couldn't she could
not take her kids because she joined the Navy. Well,
she joined the Navy Waves program. So when all the
people went off to war in forty two, they knew
this was coming. So starting in forty one, they started
organizing the Navy Waves Program, which is the Women in
the Navy program. And so by forty two, I think
she had moved to New York. The addresses she gives,
she gives two addresses in particular that are unverifiable, twenty
one thirty six Broadway and two two seven Atlantic Avenue.
I grew up in Brooklyn, Okay, the split second I
heard those addresses, I'm like, Oh, that's New York. Duh right.
And so when I finally did the research on this
and I dug into like the Navy Waves program and
the addresses that she gave. Those addresses twenty one thirty
six Broadway and two seven Atlanta Avenue are nine and
seventeen miles from the Navy Waves Training program in the Bronx. Okay,
so I'm convinced the twenty one to thirty six Broadway
is the Hotel Belvedere and she only stayed there for
three weeks before moving into two two seven Atlantic Avenue.
What does that tell me? She gets up to New York,
she registers with the Waves program. This is all covered up,
and we know that Lillian Morrett lied about her being
in the Navy. So Lillian Morett is watching Oswald. She
has to know why she's watching Oswald in nineteen forty
one and forty two. She has to know that her
sister joined the Navy. But then when she's asked about
it at the Warren Commission, she lied, said she oh,
she thinks she was working for some retailer. Okay, no, no, no, no,
no no. So Lillian Morett is watching Oswald and lying
to the Warren Commission about what Marguerite was doing at
this time. It's not. And then also what happens at
this time? She marries Edwin Ekdahl, Right, she gets with
Edwin Ekdahl, And where's he live? He lives up in Nyack,
New York, Nyack, New York, was like eleven miles from
the Waves training facility. Okay, so all the stuff that
happens in her life all revolves around New York. But
she's allegedly living in New Orleans, right, she's lied. This
whole thing was covered up. The fact she joined the
Navy Waves program was covered up. What else is there?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, just again, when you're this out, it's
difficult because she is so full of crap so many times. Uh,
she was a grifter, Let's be honest. She was a grifter.
She was somebody who had no you know, she was
a drifter and a grifter constantly.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: She was, you know, bedding down with different guys. She
didn't officially have addresses sometimes because she was staying with
different dudes. Man, this is what was going on. So
you know, you don't get mail at your book ups house. Okay,
just saying, uh, so she had no address temporarily here
and there. She's giving addresses where she's not living all
the time for different things. So you know, that's why
it's so hard to track her down. You know. But
when you get this proximity, like you're talking about what
you're saying makes a lot of sense finally, but frankly,
you know, you got to remember she is she's a liar,
she's a con artist. She's trying to dump her kids
off in different places. We didn't have to drop them
off at a firehouse thing, okay, quite at that point
in time. So she's literally trying to give them to
orphanages and saying, I can't take care of him. I
don't want to take care of them, and I think
this is all important. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: And the thing that's messed up is she had money.
She cries like she's broke, but no, when Robert Osbald died,
she said that she got five thousand dollars in life insurance,
but Myrtle Evans said that she got ten thousand. So
if you got five or ten thousand dollars from life
insurance back in nineteen thirty nine, you are a baller, okay.
Not only that, she had like twenty dollars a month
coming in from ed Pick for alimony, and then she
had multiple income properties, okay multiple the house on Alvar
Street she ended up renting out till for like four
more years. Right then she had the house in San saba,
she ended up renting out. She ends up buying houses
that don't turn up in the record at all that
she rented out. So she has all this money coming
in or does she? Right? So how is she how
is she claiming that when she has all this loot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if you can turn this up, because
it's my opinion that somebody else actually fronts her the
money to buy properties and then she just you know,
handles the collection of the rent uh and also is
supposed to handle you know, the property management. Now I
can't find who that person is that fronted her that money,
but it seems to me as though again and and
her her son will later on turn up with money
that I can't explain. By the way, Uh, he's funding
all sorts of things, and I can't figure out where
Oswald's money's coming from. And I'm thinking maybe it's the
same source. Uh, you know what I mean, because look,
here's a young guy and he's uh.
Speaker 2: The way I see it, Yeah, go ahead, this is
like the way I see it. This is an Office
of Naval Intelligence dual identity program that they're managing. So
how I kind of see it is I think when
you go when you put in for a police job
or a military job, and asked all kinds of questions.
You can't lie because if you lie, you're done forever,
You're out. So I think what happened is after she
has her two kids, one of them is hidden because
she was born illegitimate. Oh and I think the father
of the other child is Harvey Francis Oswald, Robert's brother,
because Robert, Harvey Francis, was the only person who stayed
in touch with her, and then he eventually cuts her off.
You see, when Robert dies, she tried to have him
buried the same day, and she didn't notify his family.
They freaked out. They were like, you gotta be shitting me.
So they confront her that day and they're like, fuck you.
And so she ends up having him buried the next day.
He wasn't buried in the Oswald portion of the cemetery,
which there is one. He was buried in the clavery
part of the cemetery, and that pissed them off too,
and they're just like, fuck this woman, we want nothing
to do with her. The only person who stayed in
touch was Harvey Francis, and Harvey Francis is the one
who signed off on Oswald's birth certificates, right, the certificates
of live birth, because we don't have birth certificates for Oswald.
We have two different certificates of live birth that were
signed five days or six days after Oswald was born.
So what I think happened is I think Harvey Oswald
knocked up Marguerite again. She had a second child, probably
you know, less than a year after Oswald was born.
At this point in time, you can't go around. You
can't have you can't have an illegitimate kid in nineteen forty.
You just can't. You'd be labeled like a scarlet a
on your chest, you know what I mean. So to
go to great lengths to hide that you have a child,
I don't think we would be out of the question.
And who did she bring in to do this with
her cousin, Ammanth Voittia. Ammanth Voittier and her were very
close growing up. And I believe that Ammanth is the
woman who we now know is Marguerite Oswald. And the
reason I say that is because when I dug into
Ammanth Voittia, a couple things jumped out at me. First
of all, Marguerite Oswald's a nurse. Where the hell did
oz hell did Marguerite Oswald want to be a nurse? Where?
Nowhere there's I can't find one single reference to Oswald,
missus Oswald taking any nursing courses or anything at all period.
All of a sudden, one day, she's just a nurse, Okay,
and we can say she's a nurse as far back
as God went with San Saba was in forty seven
forty for nineteen forty seven, we can say that this
woman who is Marguerite Oswald claims to be Marguerite Oswald
was a nurse in nineteen forty seven, because we have
the neighbors at the San Saba address who had to
drive her to another house to get her nurse's uniform. Okay,
But in forty seven forty eight we can say with
certainty Marguerite Oswald was working at retail. Okay.
Speaker 3: So when I dig into it, turns out, yeah, no,
here's the thing that I concluded about her, and maybe
you'll disagree, But at certain points in time, she claims
to have skill sets she doesn't have. She gets, you know,
an outfit and then claims she can do something she
claims to have training in various things in order to
get herself into certain jobs, to get herself into positions
so that she can do things, even suing some of
her employees for settlements or attempting to or threatening to
and actually extorting people for settlements at places where she
had no business working in the first damn place, Left
and right. This occurred with her again, I say, she's,
you know, a grifter. So it's possible that she got
a hold of a nurse's uniform and just decided she's
a damn nurse. Because you're right, there's no certificy, there's
no certification, she has no CNA training even nothing. She's
not even nurse's aid on the record as far as
I can tell. I mean, you know, correct, correct, correct,
Go ahead, you're correct.
Speaker 2: So, however, the alternative perspective on this is, if this
is Amminth Vyta her cousin, who I believe it is.
Ammanth was a nurse and guess what Ammenth completely disappears
off the face of planet Earth in nineteen fifty six,
and why is this important to me? Like her when
you look at her historical record on like any of
the ancestry or anal sites everything about woman. Well, first off,
she has registered at the same address in thirteen twelve
Saint Anne in New Orleans. She's registered at that address
for fifty years. Fifty years, okay, from the time she's
born all the way until nineteen fifty six. And so
that's crazy to me that they would do that. Nobody
lives at one place for fifty years, I'm sorry, nobody,
especially back then. You can look at how often these
people change houses, go through and going through the census records.
But I find that.
Speaker 3: And also, you can't put it past Yeah, you can't
put it past Marguerite Oswald to also simply have picked
up part of her cousin's identity and ran with it.
We all know about identity theft. She could have just
picked up her cousin's certificate and done a little doctoring
on the paperwork and then therefore said she's a nurse,
which means we have no official record of it, but
she might have presented it. Something like that could be
sitting in an employment file somewhere if somebody can dig
it the hell up, because she I've had no sitles,
like saying she had a bunch of jobs where she
had no skills, no business doing them right.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I would agree with that if it wasn't
for the photographic record, which basically Marguerite Oswald. And when
you look at her picture next to Edwin Ekdahl, she's
about five to seven. The Marguerite Oswald we know is
shorter than Marina five foot one. That's the biggest that's
the biggest thing for me, right there. So let me see.
I got some pictures here. Let me see if I
can find one the historical But.
Speaker 3: The history Marguerite Oswald is this five foot one, chunky uh,
you know, sort of weirdly speaking like she's way older
than she is, you know, using big words at all.
That that's her.
Speaker 2: But Marguerite Oswald, the real Marguerite, real Marguerite was born
what nineteen oh six, nineteen oh seven, ammanth Voittier was
born in eighteen ninety six. She's about ten years older
than her. So and another thing, another reason I'm so
convinced of this is because amminth Voitier's personal record disappears
in fifty six. Is a very important year because fifty
six to me is the year that they actually did
a swap a roo with Marguerite, and this imposter Marguerite
in fifty six is when the real Margerite is supposed
to disappear. In my opinion, what we have Oswald screwed
up Oswald, the real Oswald. When he stops in Hawaii,
he sends a postcard to thirty thirty eight, like fifth
Avenue in Fort Worth. That address was not supposed to
be known. That address is only mentioned twice by Oswald
and nobody else. And we're not supposed to know that
Marguerite is living there because she has an actual address
somewhere else on like Bristol Street. And so all right,
let me, I'm gonna share some of these pictures here,
all right. So this is the real Marguerite Oswald going
back to thirty five, thirty seven, forty two, fifty seven,
and this picture in nineteen sixty is a pure anomaly.
I don't know how this picture even exists at all,
like at all, it should not exist at all. This
is Marguerite Oswald at Paul's shoe store. She's thin, and
this is fifty seven. She's thin, and she's taller than
the other women. She's about five foot seven inches tall,
just shorter than the guys who are roughly six foot.
This is the false Marguerite. This is not the same woman.
I mean, let's just hop back to these pictures here.
It's not even close. Their resemblance isn't even close. This
one's much older, she's short and fat, and so John
Armstrong actually this picture here on the left that says
nineteen sixty, actually that nineteen sixty date is wrong. But
John Armstrong went and talked to Marguerite Oswald's neighbor from
the San Saba address, and the official story is they
don't move into San Saba until after they leave the
Willing Street address, and they're only supposed to be at
San Saba for about three months leading up to the
start of school over the summer of nineteen forty What
year was it, that would have been forty eight, nineteen
forty eight. Okay, that's the official story. However, when John
Armstrong went and talked to Georgia Bell, who was the
neighbor of Marguerite Oswald, she swears this woman is her
on the left. She swears that's her and she looked
exactly like her in nineteen forty seven, and that this
woman was a nurse and that she lived there from
around May through Thanksgiving and they moved out the day
after Thanksgiving. That is completely contrary to the stories about
Marguerite Oswald moving into Yeah, like, this is it right here?
I mean, it's two different women. This ain't the same
person at all. The woman on the left has a
mole under her right eye and always wore glasses. Marguerite
Oswald never did. This is clearly a naval intelligence operation.
This isn't just two people who have the same name.
Who are you know doing whatever? Once you get into
like Oswald when he allegedly worked on the docks, that's
where you really start to realize that these guys knew
each other. This whole thing is a big This is
a big plot. Like they all knew each other, they
were all in on this. Two completely different women here,
I mean, look at their teeth. Their teeth are mangled
compared to the real Marguerite Oswald, who had beautiful, perfect teeth. So,
but most Kennedy researchers just this, They just completely ignore
and discount all of that stuff because John Armstrong didn't
do the best job of presenting his data. He just didn't.
There were so many things that he missed that would
have like locked it in. But and then he asked me,
how does this come about? Okay, this is how it
come ups about. They're interviewing Marguerite Oswald. They come to
find out she has an illegitimate son who's less than
a year old, and the light bulb goes on for
these Naval intelligence people. And then she said she was
a phone operator. Well, guess a what. A phone operator
in the Navy had to have the highest level security
clearance because they're connecting high level people on the phones
and they can overhear every conversation. So everybody, every woman
who was a phone operator in the Navy or the
Navy Waves program had the highest level security clearance. What
does that tell us? Marguerite Oswald, by her own admission,
had the highest level security clearance. There you go. So
I believe this all came about during this forty one
to forty four time period where we can't lock down
where Marguerite Oswald is. I think that's when all this
stuff with Naval intelligence popped up, and it probably all
came up in her initial interviews. Because the identity transfer
stuff is very real. It's still done to this very day,
I follow a guy on substack who was a CIA
agent doing identity transfer stuff. You know, identity transfer is
just another name for body double and what is that?
That's tradecraft, right, So that's where I think all this started.
I think all this started around forty one forty two
with Marguerite Oswald joining the Navy Waves program, and then
by forty seven it's in full swing with the Sansava address.
That's kind of how I put this together. I mean,
there's a ton more when you go through New York.
The contradictions are overwhelming. When you go through his time
in New Orleans from forty fifty four to fifty six,
it's disgustingly obvious that it was there's two of them.
And then what I'm working on now, my next book,
which will be out by October, is Lee Harvey Oswald
and Black and White, Volume two that covers Oswald's time
in the Marines. And when you go through Oswald's time
in the Marines, it becomes blatantly obvious that the Marines
were in on this dual Oswald scheme, completely and totally
in on it, and I think they screwed up a
couple times and accidentally put him in the same place
at the same time, which would then result in Oswald
shooting himself in his elbow to get out of going
on boat duty and a whole bunch of other things. So, yeah,
Oswald and the Marines, fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he shot himself in the leg. Actually
did he shoot himself in the leg because he got
gig gab.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said
that because we have three different stories. We have the
the truth is he shot himself in the elbow right here,
but we also have a witness who said he shot
himself in the wrist and that Oswald was see him
with the bandage rist. And we also have another person
who said that he thought he shot himself in the leg.
And then when they removed the bullet, they actually did
full body X rays of Oswald. They found a weird
mass next to the femur, but I think they determined
that that was just an X ray anomaly. But no,
I'm glad you mentioned that because the story is weird,
and you when you hear it from different people, it changes.
Speaker 3: So well, here's the forget about what you hear from people. Well,
here's the thing. Forget about what you hear from people.
The historical Oswald is given a proper forensic examination upon
his death. Uh, and guess what in the photographs, I
can see that this kid was shot in the leg.
So the historical Oswald was shot in the leg. My friend,
I don't know who was shot in the elbow, but
the concerned was shot in the leg, because.
Speaker 2: Right, But I have to have them to medical records.
I got the medical records that show that they were
I have the medical records show and they removed the
slug from his elbow, which is odd because he doesn't
have autopsy.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. There's no evidence on that body
that he was shot in the elbow, right, he was
shot in the leg, the historical Oswald, That's what I'm
trying to tell you. Well, where you could reverse engineer that.
Speaker 2: Well, there's literally no I don't know when I'm just
saying it. Yeah, right, right between the witnesses who were
with Oswald when he shot himself and the medical evidence
in the Marines, it's clear that that incident, in particular,
he shot himself in the elbow. I don't know when
he could have possibly been shot in the leg. That
hasn't come up other than this discrepancy here. That hasn't
come up anywhere else that I've seen. But again, another thing,
another thing is the again his.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, the historical Oswald's photographs of his autopsy. Though
as far as I'm concerned, I see no evidence of
a shot in the elbow.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: And that's so we've got a problem here right there, yes, rightep.
Speaker 2: But also he doesn't have the scar from the from
the mastoid ectomy in February forty six, he had a
mastoidectomy scar, because he has he had a mastoidectomy. This
becomes really important because when you get into like his
school records up in New York, they addressed the fact
that Oswald was hard of hearing in the left ear
because of that surgery, and they even tested him and
they were even considering sending him over to PS forty four,
which was a school for the hearing impaired. So that
tells me that the real Oswald had some major hearing
problems because of that mastoid ectomy. But that's never addressed
anywhere else ever, in any other record except for the
school records in fifty four or fifty that would have
been fifty three. Actually, so it's to me it's pretty
apparent that the scar and there's no there's no mastoidectomy
scar on Oswald's autopsy either, he didn't have one. So
to me, the autopsy evidence just it hammers in the
fact that there were two Oswalds. The person who knew
about this, I can say with certainty was Fred Corth.
Fred Corth who was involved with the army and the
he was secretary of the Navy at one point. He's
most certainly in on this. He he was the lawyer
for Edwin Ekdahl when Ekdahl got divorced from Marguerite Oswald,
and he knew everything about the Oswald family. Okay, fast forward,
actually not even too long, just a couple of years
to nineteen forty seven, and you'll find that Fred Corth
was friends with a woman named Mary McCarthy. Mary McCarthy
was the owner of the house at on Thomas Place,
the Thomas Place address that Marguerite Oswald was living at
the time of the assassination. Well, she was also living
there in fifty four fifty five when Oswald was going
to stripling, and there was another time that she's alleged.
Oh and then she was connected there in forty seven
because that's the house she had to go to to
get her nurse's uniform. What we have here is Fred
korth dealing with the woman who we can say is
definitely the real Marguerite Oswald and dealing with the woman
who is the false Marguerite Oswald at this at the
Thomas Place address. So we have Fred corth In on
this thing one hundred percent, and he was a heavy
hitter in the in the government. So I this is
the one thing that I really drives me crazy. I
want to know more, is people asking for documents. These
are the documents I want. I want the Naval Intelligence
documents that govern what happened with Marguerite Oswald from forty
one onward. And not only that, we have a cover sheet.
The FBI was communicating with somebody and they were asking
about documents, and then they reference a document that's held
by the Office of Naval Intelligence. It's a nine hundred
and eighty six page file on Marguerite Oswald and it's
dated nineteen sixty and I have the cover sheet.
Speaker 3: Well, the only two is the only yeah, the only
two agencies that are at the absolute apex of resistance
and non compliance when it comes to doc documentation being
requested or as follows, the NSA is in the lead,
and THENI is second just barely to the NSSA in
resistance for compliance, even when we've won court cases, even
when we're trying to get them to comply with the
JFK Records Act, the on I will fire their own
people for cooperating with us, you know, as researchers direct
people that have actually, you know, pride loose these documents.
And I've been involved with that that we've prided these
things loose from them before. But then I and the
NSA absolutely ridiculous. People think it's the CIA. They've been
easy compared to them. Corey, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so there's also evidence when you go through
the when you go and you actually look through the
documents that refer to Oswald as Harvey Lee Oswald as
late as nineteen seventy eight. I got documents as late
as nineteen seventy eight where they're calling them Harvey Lee,
and they're calling them Harvey Lee because they all knew
there were two of them. They're really Oswald, I believe
lived years and years after the assassination. The man we
know was killed was the man who introduced himself. Everywhere
is Harvey Oswald. And so, but you have documents. When
you go through the military stuff, you will find Marine
G two, you will find the Defense Intelligence Agency. There's
a half a dozen other of these intelligence agencies that
have documents about Harvey Le Oswald, right that we never
hear about ever. Every people always talk about CIA, and
that's it, right, it's more than way more than that
everybody knew, especially through going through his time in the
Marine Corps. This is all in my book. Actually, the
Marine Corp stuff isn't, but all the early life stuff
is in my book THEE Harvey Oswald and Black and White,
which before we get out of here, if I can
get if you can shoot me a mailing address, I'll
send you my books once I get more of them.
Speaker 1: Men.
Speaker 2: But yeah, to me, the fascinating the two Oswald stuff
is far more fascinating than the assassination itself, and I
feel it leads to so much more. Other areas of
history are undetermined at this point, but yeah, the two
Oswald stuff, man, I love it. I could do that.
I got three more books planned on that because I'm
doing the Marines, and then I'm doing Oswald in Russia,
which I'm starting to get an inkling that there was
some shenanigans going on in Russia. And then of course
sixty two to the end is going to be a
freaking opus. It's going to be so big this because
nobody understands what happened with Oswald from sixty two to
the end, and none of the story we're told is true.
So I planned on getting to that once I finish
up all this stuff, but definitely get me an address
and I'll shoot you over some.
Speaker 3: So yeah, please, and look, you know, do you have
an opinion on I don't know if you're aware of this,
the meeting between John Judge and May Brussel and this
individual who claimed to be the surviving Lee Harvey Oswald
many years ago, because I know you're talking about that guy. Yeah, okay,
do you have an opinion on that? Because I have
a mixed opinion on it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that guy uh introduced himself as
Donald arrestus Norton, which is weird because there's a Donald
Arrestus Norton down in New Orleans dealing with David Ferry.
So that's fucking weird. But when you dig into, like
John Armstrong did a decent job of digging into that
Donald Norton person, and that name that he came back
with came back to a real person who was much younger,
who couldn't have been the same person born in sixty six.
I think. So, I mean, this is this is identity
transfer stuff, but that person. The backstory on that is
May Brussels got a bunch of money anonymously donated, and
then this guy approaches her like after some convention into
parking lot and he goes, hey, you know who I am?
And she goes, well, you look like Lee Harvey Oswald.
And then so they will then go off and meet
with this person. And I guess this person recited a
bunch of stuff that Oswald had said word for word
and all this stuff, and then he never admitted to
being He never admitted to being Oswald directly, but I
think it was pretty pretty clear to May Brussels that
it probably was the original Oswald. And now I've talked
to a couple of people. Jim who used to work
with John Armstrong, I've talked to him. He doesn't buy
that story at all. He thinks it was just the
CIA fucking with her and sending somebody aga who looked
like that. But I actually did a facial record. Let
me see if I can find it here. I did
a facial recognition on that guy and one of the
pictures of Oswald. Oh, here it is, And I came
back with like an eighty percent match.
Speaker 3: This is I know, Yeah, I know, it's really close. Yeah,
I don't hold too much to it is really close
when you used it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that came back an eighty percent match to
the guy to the photograph taken by you know, and
to have like a thirty year difference in age, I
thought was pretty shocking. But I don't know, man, I
don't know. Eighty percent match. The hairline on the guy
on the left seems a little off to me because
losing his hair.
Speaker 3: So yeah, see what what's weird about this is I
think it's possible you're looking at uh, one of Oswald's
illegitimate kids, believe it or not, because parentage is mixed
up in the Lee Harvey Oswald universe quite a bit.
Let's say, like, I don't believe all of Lee Harvey
Oswald's the historical lee Harvey Oswald's children are actually his either, uh,
and there's a whole whole thing about that you might
be I think one of them might be his brother's
kid instead of his. Uh, just saying, you know, that's
a possibility, especially when people are living with people and uh,
you know, comforting one another. Uh, you know, stuff like that.
I'm just saying. And Uh, there's a whole weird sort
of shuffle here where you're you're having a hard time
tracking down people's identity, lineage, everything. It's a bitch. So
I just want to say, I really appreciate a lot
of the work that you've done here, even with the
fact that I've had a few interruptions and been taking
off the show now and then you know, Steve's putting
up with it. I'm coming back and coming back. But
really good to hear all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this this dual Oswald stuff to be is
the most fascinating because I think that this this pulls
back the curtain on ways and means that people don't
talk about, you know, like everyone knows that the spies
do body doubles, but I don't think they really understand
it at all. And I don't think we understand it.
And I think that when you go through this early
Oswald stuff, this is pre CIA. It's clearly naval intelligence,
and it seems like they were doing a lot of experimentation.
Like I believe the entire dual Oswald scheme was nothing
more than a pre Cold warplot initiated by O and
I to get a spy into the Soviet Union that
was eventually turned over to CIA. That's to me how
this appears. But then you get into some weird things,
like when you get into like what the CIA is
doing with russ another group, Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well there's another group outside of the CIA and the
OSS that people forget about. They called themselves the Pond.
You might know about that, and that was one of
those in Betweens, okay, And that organization, along with a
couple of others, were running operations that we have still
not been able to access. And during the post World
War two time, and even during World War two, you
have several organizations that people are just simply not looking
at that were in Betweens, that were, you know, operating.
It wasn't just OSS becomes CIA. People misunderstand that, Cordy, right,
So I think that's part of the problem. And I
think you have a POND operation here is what you have,
if anything, because that's the type of stuff they did.
It wasn't you know, the CIA and the OSS did
things in a more organized way. Uh, you know, and
the CIA had greater resources once they decided to make
it a central clearing house. But there were several different
organizations literally buying for competing with each other to become
the pre eminent spook organization during the Cold War, and
I think people don't know that at all that history,
and they all had different operations. So what are your
thoughts on the POND maybe being involved here.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's not an angle I've ever actually gone down,
but it makes sense. There were a lot of organizations
competing to be the civilian intelligence organization, So yeah, it's
clearly possible. And then that would fall outside the realm
of any documents we're ever gonna find, right unless it
was being tracked by another agency. So yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: You'll have to get that's the only way it is
being tracked with other agencies exactly.
Speaker 1: You'll have to get internal RAND Corporation memoranda on the
existence of it or something like that, like whatever civilian based,
you know, public private partnership organization that was doing both
you know, corporate and civilian espionage along with yah grand
scale federal operations. It's Yeah.
Speaker 2: Another thing I really like to figure out is when
you look at like the different Oswald addresses and where
they were and when they were, especially if you're dealing
with dual Oswalts, is that there has to be some
kind of like covert real estate network at play here.
There has to be there's.
Speaker 1: Your Scientology over lay, Chuck. Scientology is one of the
most notorious real estate scams of the last one hundred years.
Speaker 2: That's when they have more real estate holdings than like
anybody on planet Earth. Right, yeah, right, And so this
is the kind of thing I would see CIA tapping
for safe houses to put people up when they need to.
Like if Fred Korth got Marguerite Oswald, the false Marguerite
into the Thomas Place address, and it was through a
friend of his, and then she leaves there, and then
she moves back in and it's under a different owner.
That tells me that there's some sort of weird stuff
going on on the back end that was probably part
of this real estate network. And I just saw recently
that the CIA spends like a billion and a half
dollars a year on real estate. So that's that I
think would be pretty fascinating if I could link any
one of the addresses that the Oswald ever lived at
to some sort of real estate network, that would blow
me away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. It's very hard to track down,
and that's the amount of money you know they spent.
But trust me, there's plenty of undocumented, controllable pieces of
property in their arsenal, let's say, when it comes to
these safe houses in different locations, not just domestically, but
all over the place, you know. So it's yeah, it's
quite a thing to unpack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is. It's like I feel like this,
if we really understood the depths of which the intelligence
Agency controlled things, it would be like when you're like
in the in the horror movie in a dark room
and you turn the lights on and you're just like
surrounded by monsters. Right, Like, that's I feel like CIA
world we're living in. You know, everything is connected to
the CIA in one way, shape or form, and it
seems like that was their intent from the start, to
gain control over everything and then ultimately, you know, be
involved in the killing of the president to shape the
world that they wanted.
Speaker 1: Well, and fast forward to twenty twenty six and all
of their little n q TEL funded social media platforms
and surveillance tech companies are flat out saying, oh, hey,
we're the government.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys noticed or not, but
we're the government. Did you look at that Palanteer manifesto, Corey,
Did you guys look at that on day zero?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: But I know what you're talking about. These guys give
me the PBG.
Speaker 1: They're fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and Palenteer and Palenteer is the tip of
the goddamn Iceberg. Oh, contracts, the contractors becoming you know,
the pre eminent organizations. And then simply like you said, now,
you might as well just say, well, they are the government.
Speaker 1: Uh well, that's what the that's what they're saying that
the Yeah, but you know, uh, Altman is talking about
world I d. Palanteer just got a three hundred million
dollar contract to navigate the US food supply. In fact,
I mean, you know, we we'll get into Larry Ellison
and the second Eric Schmidt. People like that but chuck
your your tip of the Iceberg thing. I don't know, dude,
there aren't too many other companies that are embedded within
twenty seven separate government agencies, which is significant. Yeah, I
would think, and it's always I would just doot that.
Speaker 3: Hold on, man, No, no, no, I would dispute that
because what you don't know what?
Speaker 1: Okay, there's more than.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are many. Actually this look, this is larger
than a lot of people recognize because of the pack. Look,
it's like black Rock where they own a little piece
of everything. Okay, there are so many show companies within
show companies.
Speaker 1: Dude, I get it, I get it, but as.
Speaker 3: An individual to really know that because there's so many.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this or or not,
but there was. Uh and go to free thought project
dot com. But yeah, uh.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Former executive for Palentiner publicly stated that Palenteer, which he
refers to as a terrorist organization, has effectively be embedded
itself in the US government. Had to merging the American empire,
zionis military infrastructure, Savanian's capitalism, and techno fascist ideology into
a single architecture of control. And that's yeah, they want
to be part and parcel of that grid infrastructure. I'm
unfortunately they're it, but yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think that we don't have it. We're kind
of fucked as far as that shit goes. And so
the only thing I can tell people is to stop
paying your taxes. You don't have to pay for your
own enslavement.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 2: And now that like most of the justice departments, like,
fuck those people. I haven't paid taxes in ten years.
They can fucking blow me. I'm never paying them. I'd
rather go to jail.
Speaker 3: Well, we and I have a few more.
Speaker 2: Well, they're so incompetent they us. And then one thing
I found is that when you don't pay your taxes,
the first thing they do is they drag you to
civil court, like civil court if I did something wrong,
charge me, motherfucker? What is a civil court?
Speaker 3: Bullshit? Right? Fu? Yeah, So that because it's Miltary Corey,
it's exactly fuck them where they breathe. Okay.
Speaker 2: That makes me feel disconnected from my country though, I
feel like the country is moving around me and not
as me being a part of it, and I don't
like but oh well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's fair. But we've been reporting on this show.
We've been reporting on the Ford Snitch for about two years,
and uh, the the Ford Snitch is now getting ready
to be rolled out.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: Above and beyond what the recent legislation regarding, uh, the
remote kill switches. Have you heard about this, Corey.
Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah, come on, they're trying.
Speaker 5: To turn us into Imagine there was an emergency outside
the truck, an accident, something terrible on the ranch with
a chainsaw, and I jump in this truck. But the
truck it won't shift into drive. Why because the cameras
and sensors inside this cab won't let it shift because
it detects my eyes or big There's a lot of emotion,
there's some panic, and it doesn't feel that I'm fit
to drive. Now that's not science fiction. That is happening
because Ford just filed the patents. Ford actually has a
series of patents down at the US Patent and Trade
Office that deal with the sensors and cameras inside the
cab of their truck. And if the sensors in that
truck determine that you're not fit to drive, that truck
will not actually shift.
Speaker 1: From park to drive.
Speaker 5: Now, they already have a system called Telemattox, and that's
where they can actually pull up cameras in real time
inside the cab of their fleet vehicles. Now they actually
mark at this to insurance companies because the truth is
this is really about who owns the data and who
owns the liability. Now, your name might actually be on
the title of this truck, and you may have paid
for it, but you don't own it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: Ford didn't file just one patent. They filed a stack
of them, all within months of each other. Are you
sitting down Get this? This Ford technology pattern doesn't just
watch you. This one puts you in jail. Ford filed
a patent serial number zero one zero four four sixty
nine where this system takes your biometric data, your face,
your iris, and your fingerprint and it runs it through
a criminal database in real time while you're sitting in
your own truck. Think about what that means. You wake
up one morning, you walk out to your driveway.
Speaker 1: This is why we've been calling it the Ford snitch
for two years.
Speaker 5: This is why you climb into a vehicle with your
name on the title, on property with your name on
the deed and before you go anywhere, before you've done
a single thing wrong, your truck is already running your
face through a law enforcement database. Ford's own patent language
describes this as potentially useful for police. They wrote that
Ford wrote that into the patent application.
Speaker 2: Why does Ford give a fuck?
Speaker 1: Because okay, because Ford filed the patents for Ford, somebody
in the company saw the riding on the wall in
terms of surveillance technology and stuff like that, and went, Okay,
we're going to file That means they get to license
the technology to all of the other automobile manufacturers, and
they're going to rake in all of the profits from that. Uh,
and they're then going to be able to develop more
and broader surveillance capabilities for all of the what are
sure to be the only way that people get around
in cities, in their fifteen minute cities, which is the
you know, electric buses and shit like that.
Speaker 2: But see all this shiit is so stupid. I don't
see any of it coming to fruition. Like whenever we
get shit that's introduced to us that's so egregious, it
usually gets fucked up.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be pushback. There was pushback initially too, and
what I mean, there's gonna be pushback, but there's only
so much pushback that people will do in the event
of oh, well, it's just the only way that you
can do this now. So in the midst of pushback,
there's going to be a removal of other options and
a continuation of the in shitifying of all of the
other existing you know, digital tools and stuff like that
that people have had forced into their lives as the
only way that you can pay for things, the only
way that you could do you know. So it's a process.
I was talking with Melissa Dykes from True Stream Media,
like it's a There was a phase with the Internet
and digital technology when it first started to roll out
late eighties, early nineties up until about twenty ten, where
it was the building trust phase, and in the last
fifteen years up until twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five,
that was the Okay, now it's a mandatory part of
your lives and we're making it shitty on purpose. It's
that phase. And then this is the start of the hey,
you're all fucking slaves phase of technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck these people fucking to death. Don't pay your
taxes and get some guns.
Speaker 1: Right, I do for years. One of the fucking most
recurring things we've said on the show is fucking grow food,
make bullets. It started out as grow food, buy bullets.
But I live in California, so it's fucking ah damn man,
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My first book was about three hundred and seventy five pages.
This first volume is about the same length, and it's
got all the documents and all that good stuff in there.
Pictures proves the case. Uh, the second volume will be out.
I'm hoping to finish it this week. It should be
out early early May. But that tells the entire story
of what happened in Dailey Plaza that day. So definitely
pick up the book.
Speaker 3: I care.
Speaker 1: Anything else you got? What do you think Corey about?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Did you see Sean Strickland comment to that schmuck Aiden
Ross about the UFC at the White House?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: Let me let me grab that real quick, because I,
you know, overall agree with what he had to say
about it, and it's you know, plastic classic Strickland interview
style format in the delivery. Uh, where.
Speaker 3: Let's go guy anyway.
Speaker 1: He was basically like, Yo, dude, it okay, he goes
It would be cool if I was going there to
fight for a UFC audience at the White House. But
I don't want to go fight for the fucking Epstein list.
Speaker 3: Fuck that.
Speaker 1: I aint got what he said. He was like, those
are the only people who are gonna be there. I'm
gonna do a fucking hang out with the Epstein list.
Speaker 3: Fuck that.
Speaker 1: No, it's like, all right, dude, that's all right.
Speaker 2: Hey, uh, that's gonna be my next book. Who Fucked
Oswald's Home Mom? That's gonna be the next one. I work.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: Nice, That's funny.
Speaker 1: Oswald's Horror Mother. What a biography? Historically accurate biography by
Corey Hughes. Uh oh shit, well, I gotta play this
real quick. This is fucking uh.
Speaker 3: This is funny.
Speaker 2: Some people just vote for him because they like him.
You know, some people worship that guy, you know, they're
worshiping what.
Speaker 3: He's a god. I don't think Trump is Christ Like.
Speaker 2: I think it'd be funny if Christ was Trump Like.
Speaker 6: I could feed a lot of people with this fish.
It's a big fish, it's a beautiful fish.
Speaker 3: It's a bronzino.
Speaker 6: That's the fish. It's a very expensive fish. You've probably
never heard of it. They hung me on the cross,
these nasty people.
Speaker 3: Look up. I believe it. They hung me on the cross.
I'm not gonna say it was the Jews, but they
were there. They were definitely there, those Jews. I remember
them being there.
Speaker 6: They hung me on the cross, and the fake news
didn't tell you. It was a Capital t I would
never be hung on a lower ky. That's extremely disrespectful.
It was a Capital team. After that was r u MP.
It was the opening of my Car's building in Bethabaham.
Speaker 3: They really.
Speaker 1: Drew done.
Speaker 2: So what's up with your Nashville show?
Speaker 1: Well, Uh, Teresa has been on tour and then like
only home for a couple of days. Is just trying
to catch up on farm tours and shit. So I
haven't had a chance to talk to her. We're supposed
to talk this week. She's done with all of her
shows and I'll have final dates this week, hoping for
either middle of September or like first week into October
after Labor Day weekend when people won't have as many
commitments and shit like that. So that that's.
Speaker 2: What's you're estimated. What's your month you're estimating?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, September or first weekend of October.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, well you got well I got fish
and then I got fucking Iron Maiden in San Antonio
at the end of September.
Speaker 1: Right right, Well, yeah, yeah, So it wouldn't be it
wouldn't be Labor Day weekend, it wouldn't be Labor Day weekend.
And if it's nine to eleven weekend.
Speaker 2: If it's in October, that's a new pay month. So
I could probably do it.
Speaker 1: It'd be it'd be first week into October before the
weather starts to turn there in Tennessee. For sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely get a plane ticket. I might have
to crash on your hotel floor or something, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody will give you fluor space. I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be great.
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: We can work that out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, and yeah, looking forward to that, trying
to to make sure that we've got like a couple
of different because Tony Rderburn was kind enough to sponsor
the event last year and get Sam out there, and
so hoping to get a little bit more of that.
Speaker 2: And also in October. Also in October at the four
I'm in l a U. Slayer is doing, I go
Cannibal Corpse.
Speaker 1: I know, I it's like, but dude, I.
Speaker 2: I want to see Cannibal Corpse. Be I've never seen
Cannibal Corpse. I'm dying to see them. Every time they
come here, some ship sucks up and I just can't go.
So I have to. My life is not going to
be complete till I see Cannibal Corpse. I mean, it's
a great show with a knife awesome, come on, let's
do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's a it's a it's a phenomenal fucking show.
It is well worth. Uh And if it's like a
bucket of show for you, yeah, dude, you go pay
whatever you know to do it once. But yeah, dude,
I saw that. I was like, ah, man, one of
my favorite fucking comics is like in my town taping
a Netflix special, and I was like sucking it up,
like fuck it, whatever, dude, I'll pa and sold out.
God damn it. Like what yeah, like immediately sold out
to you a motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see if I appreciate your having me on? Man,
I got run all right, brother, we'll do this again
some time. Thanks man, I appreciate it, certainly.
Speaker 1: Corey Hugh's everybody take care really good to see as
always Corey Hughes. Ladies and gentlemen, go to Corey Hughes
dot org and make sure that you're checking out Bloody
History and everything else that Corey puts out. The man
does phenomenal work. Yeah, let's see a good. Contrary popular belief,
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and you should do that. Let's see BEFO war we
get out of here. Anything else. There's a bunch of
stuff we didn't talk about, we'll talk about. We'll get
to it tomorrow with Ryan, or at least most of it.