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Speaker 1: I know the truth.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's about psychology, true crime, supernatural stuff, the occasional

paranormal or philosophical rant.

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conditioning the people's minds to accept it our solution to

the world's problems. One of the things that I learned

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within something they call the rules.

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Speaker 1: Do I have your attention now?

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Speaker 6: Well? Ruby Cuba a Matthew keep some guessing like some

kind of polygon prevents them from asking the most important question, why.

Speaker 2: Why was Kennedy killed? Who benefited? Who has the power

to cover it up? Yeah?

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express enough to them.

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Speaker 6: The public has lost total confidence in any form of government.

Speaker 2: All that Annily on the twenty second November nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 6: It's yet I'm just ahead of the current.

Speaker 1: The current cur This is your nautical lantern on the

dangerous seas of darkness. Let's push off from the placid

shore of the status quo and explore what's beyond the horizon.

I am your host, BT, and this is Truth and Shadow,

your podcast of the supernatural. The official story is often

the simple one alone gunman, a mail order rifle, a

six floor window, three shots that changed history forever. But

history has a peculiar way of resisting simplicity, especially when

blood stains the pages. Lee Harvey Oswald remains one of

America's most haunting specters, not merely because he was accused

of assassinating President John F. Kennedy, but because his life

feels less like a straightforward biography and more like a

fractured psychological dossier assembled from Cold War paranoia, ideological confusion,

and unanswered questions. It was a former marine effector to

the Soviet Union, Marxist sympathizer, drifter husband, alleged killer, murder

victim himself. Oswald was a man whose identity seemed to

shift like smoke depending on who was observing him, and

perhaps that is where the true shadow begins, not simply

in whether Oswald acted alone, but in what kind of

man becomes the axes upon which an entire era's trust collapses.

This is where true crime intersects with myth. Oswald was

not just a suspect. He became an archetype, the disillusioned outsider,

maybe the politically charged misfit, or the man whose personal

instability collided with the machinery of global power. Whatever it was.

History unfolds at the height of the Cold War, when

America's fear of communism, espionage, and internal subversion was reaching

a fever pitch. In such an environment, Oswald was either

the perfect loan scapegoat or the perfect operative or forces

far larger than himself. And maybe the forbidden question is

could Oswald be the assassin? Or was he simply another

pawn in the deep architecture of deception. The unsettling reality

is that Oswald's life is filled with contradictions that continue

to invite scrutiny. His Soviet defection should have marked him permanently,

yet he returns to America with surprising ease. His public

Procastro activism was conspicuous, almost theatrical. His movements in the

months before Dallas remain a labyrinth of intelligence whispers anti

Castro tensions and fragmented testimonies. Then before he could fully

speak for himself, Jack Ruby silenced him on Life television.

He was a nightclub owner with alleged ties, stepping directly

into history's bloodstream. That moment transformed a murder investigation into

an American ghost story. For true crime, Oswald offers more

than a case file. He offers the autonomy of uncertainty.

He is a study in fractured identity, possible manipulation, and

the terrifying possibility modern history may pivot not simply on facts,

but on narratives constructed quickly enough to stabilize a shaken nation.

And perhaps that is why Oswald endures in the cultural imagination,

Because beyond the rifle, beyond Deley Plaza, beyond conspiracy or coincidence,

lies something darker, the fear that truth itself may have

been one of the casualties in Dallas. Lee Harvey Oswald

was either a lone gunman or the face placed upon

forces we still struggle to comprehend in the shadows of

November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. The question is not

merely who fired the shots. The question is whether we

were ever meant to know there are a few moments

in American history that leave more impact in shock waves

than the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and sixty years later,

the dust of that story hasn't settled. Every time you

think the story is finally understood, another detail bends the light,

another witness contradicts the story, and another document slips out

of a classified vault with just enough truth that makes

the whole thing wobble. Most people will look at this

mess and shrug. It's too complicated, there's too much debate,

just let it go. But some minds aren't wired to

look away. Some people decide to follow the discrepancies all

the way down, no matter how long it takes or

how tangled the path becomes. They map the angles, test

the geometry, dissect the testimony, and track the clues everyone

else seems to miss. Today, that kind of investigator joins us.

He spent years doing the work most people would rather

pretend doesn't need doing, pulling apart one of the most

controversial cases in modern history, and rebuilding it from the evidence.

For Corey Hughes. Welcome to Truth and shout At podcast.

Speaker 2: Thank you for having me before we.

Speaker 1: Get started, and please feel free to leave any kind

of websites links and then go ahead and tell us

about yourself and what you've been doing.

Speaker 7: Sure, the best place for all my stuff is Corey

Hughes dot Org. And so I have been a full

time Kennedy researcher since July twenty eighteen. It is still,

after all these years, the one thing that gets me

out of bed every morning, and it's the last thing

I think about every night before.

Speaker 2: I fall asleep.

Speaker 7: There is so much more to the story than anybody

has ever been told. And there's even more when you

dig into the life of Lee Harvey Oswald, which is

absolutely not what we have been told. So I spend

my time mostly these days working on my new book,

which will be my third book, Lee Harvey Oswald in

Black and White, Volume two. It'll be the second of

a minimum four book series on the life of Oswald.

Because Oswald's life is pretty readily broken up into segments.

You have Oswald's life until he joins the Marines in

October fifty six, Then you have his time in the Marines,

then you have his time in the Soviet Union, and

then you have from June sixty two the end. Those

are the basic four segments of Oswald's life. So yeah,

and the next one will be out.

Speaker 2: I've already started.

Speaker 7: I'm about fifty pages into it, so it should be

out early next year, January or February.

Speaker 1: Fantastic. What was it about Lee Harvey Oswald that was

your triggering or your focus? What was it in that story?

Speaker 7: So it's it's kind of funny because when you really

come to understand the Kennedy assassination and the major players,

you come to find the Oswald's nowhere to be found.

Oswald is a man who the story tells us he

was actively involved with these criminals down in New Orleans

and hanging out with a bunch of people he shouldn't

have been, and I found none of that.

Speaker 2: Is true at all.

Speaker 7: And so Oswald as a character in a story, being

the I guess he's the antagonist of the story. It's

kind of hilarious because the more I came to learn

about the Kennedy assassination, the more I I didn't know

nothing about Oswald because he's not involved in anything right,

And so despite the fact he's the main character in

the story, the vast majority of things you know about

Oswald are false and we're planted aspects of what's called

a legend. A legend is a false background that spies

usually use to take on new endeavors.

Speaker 2: Right, And so.

Speaker 7: The thing about Lee Harvey Oswald is that once you

realize that all this hulla balloo over Oswald and he

really had nothing to do with nothing is you start

to look into Oswald and you're like, well, what is

Oswald's story? And then when you start to look into

the life of Lee Harvey Oswald, you come to find

the most absolutely and genuinely unbelievable set of circumstances that

follows him his entire life, from the time he's two

years old all the way until you know, until the end.

And so in particular, what you'll find is that the

historical record of Oswald, when you actually put together all

the pieces on it, instead of laying out a single

timeline where of Oswald's life, what you end up with

are two parallel timelines, because Oswald is continually in two

places at once, really from nineteen forty one all the

way through throughout the Marines. And I haven't gotten to

my Soviet studies yet, but there's some indication that there's

some major shenanigans going on in the Soviet Union involving

to Oswald's also, and so ultimately, many many years ago,

a man named John Armstrong wrote a book called Harvey

and Lee, which is about Oswald, and he basically exposed

the fact that Oswald was probably part of some naval

intelligence operation going back to the time he was a child.

And when you dig into the life of his relatives,

you find they're all spooks. Right, you'll never find any

documents that say there're spooks, but their behavior and there

being in multiple places at once and all this, there's

a whole lot of more factors. But you come to

understand Oswald's whole family was involved in some form of intelligence,

and I believe that's how he got involved. And so

that is where the story for me and Oswald kind

of begins. And so from there it becomes a very

complicated tale of spycraft and you know, CIA wizardry. But

ultimately it is a crazy story and Oswald had nothing

to do with the assassination, and his life story will

lead you to a whole world and underworld of intelligence

and weird things that really are beyond explanation.

Speaker 1: Yeah, there seems to be something that's kind of niggling

at my head right now is I've done a little

bit of looking at the mk Ultra project and some

of the stuff that happened before that, and I wonder

if if his parents were spooks, where his family at

least some people and his family were, what are the

odds that this, you know, Lee RV was raised to

basically be a product of that endeavor, if you.

Speaker 7: Will, right, So, one of the conclusions I've made is

that there are intelligence families. Ruth Payne, who's involved in

the assassination, she gave a place for Oswald and his

wife to live. Her whole family is a bunch of spooks,

you know. Her dad was basically a CIA cut out,

you know. And when you dig into all the relevant people,

they're all CIA connected, you know. And so Oswald his life,

it appears as though he was dragged along willing participant

in an intelligence operation to get a spy into the

Soviet Union before there was a CIA, is kind of

how I look at it. And so he was definitely

dragged along through that his whole life. He seemed he

seems like an unwilling participant in life itself.

Speaker 2: And so when he gets into the Marines.

Speaker 7: This pattern of Oswald being in two places at once

continues the whole time he's in the Marines. I can

put Oswald in like actually in fifty seven and fifty eight,

I can put him in three places at once, with

witnesses on every.

Speaker 2: Side, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7: So, but Oswald was definitely seemingly on well, he was

a willing participant in this long term intelligence scheme. But

when you really come to get a grip on his

personality and his character, it was begrudgingly, you know what

I mean. I feel like Oswald never felt that he

was a free person to do just what he wanted

to do. And if you follow his life, it appears

that that's the case. Everything he did, even just working

the different jobs that he had in Texas and in

New Orleans, you know, when he got back from the

Soviet Union, appear to be like front jobs, or they

were either front jobs where he was off doing other things,

or they were jobs that were just keeping him busy,

because you don't really if you have a guy who's

going to be set up to be a patsy in

an assassination, are you going to have him out there

actively running operations. I don't think so. I think you're

going to have him on hold, and I think that's

Oswald's life post. When he gets back from the Soviet Union,

he's forced to get these BS jobs. Then he goes

on unemployment. So I'm kind of torn over whether they

were just keeping him in a holding pattern until the assassination,

because the setup started at minimum March of sixty three,

probably sooner. But I'm kind of torn over whether he

was out doing other intelligence activities or if they were

just having him sit around and do nothing and waiting

for the assassination, because that's what they had him do

in Russia. He goes to Russia, and he's not some

superspy over there. He just went over there and did nothing.

Literally he got a job at a factory and went

home every day, and they listened to him doing nothing.

And I think that's a big part of why they

sent false defectors to the Soviet Union in the first place,

because if they send a dozen guys over there, that's

at least a dozen teams that these Russians are going

to have to set up to monitor these people to

make sure they're not spies. Right, so they get all

these Russians spin in their gears for a bunch of

guys who were doing nothing. I think that was kind

of how the how the system worked of false affection,

because they none of those guys went there and didn't

the act of spying stuff. There were a bunch of

operations with the intent of doing that, Like AE Balcony

was one that went from fifty nine to sixty two,

the same years at Oswald was in the Soviet Union,

but that was more of recruiting students to recruit other people. Right,

we don't have any indication that that ever worked. And

actually we know that some of the people who were

sent over on the Ay Balcony program got disappeared once

they got to Dsoviet Union, and they actually said in

the eight e Balcony documents they were only actually able

to extract one person they had sent over there under

that program. So how many of our guys got scooped.

Speaker 2: Up by the Russians? You know what I mean?

Speaker 7: Oswald gets there and the guy is really he's just

he talks a good game, and he talks about communism,

and he talks about all this stuff. But they can

tell right from the jump this doesn't feel right. And

in the new Russian document that was released that we

got from this from the Russians recently, in there it

makes it has a sentence in there that describes that

when Oswald got to town, he didn't make any attempts

to explore the country, to engage in any cultural activities,

He didn't try to check it out in any way,

shape or form. He gets there and instantly goes to

the embassy to try to do a false defection. And

so they were it was obvious to them what he was,

you know, And so they so now when we get

like the Russian documents from them about really it's only

three hundred pages on Oswald and what he was doing

and stuff, but none of it's about what he was doing.

It's really all about the interactions between the Soviets and

US around the Kennedy assassination, with maybe twenty thirty pages

on Oswald thrown in there. But they were they knew

right from the jump what he was, you know, I mean,

And then after the assassination happens, they knew also that

it was a setup of Oswald because he had sent

a couple letters to the Soviet embassy in Washington d

c from Texas, and so they get these letters and

so they haven't established of course, they analyze these letters

right for all kinds of stuff, right, speech patterns and whatever,

and so they already had like three letters I think

from Oswald. Then they get another letter on the ninth

of November, allegedly from Oswald where he's talking about it's

totally different shift in tone and he's talking. He's talking

to them like their friends. He's talking to the Soviet

embassy in this letter like their buddy buddy. And he

even says at one time in the letter, you know,

I had to get out of Mexico because if I

was going to stay any longer, I would have had

to use my real name. Well, Lee Harvey Oswald is

there his real name, right, So there is no fake

Russian name that they were alluding to in that letter.

So the letter was a provocation, and so the Russians

called that out immediately. They knew was a fake. They

knew it was a provocation, and they knew that it

was a part of the setup of Oswald. And so

the Russians knew it was a conspiracy from the jump right,

just based on the information they.

Speaker 2: Had on Oswald alone. And so that's the.

Speaker 7: Most fascinating new revelations that we have in the Kennedy

case coming from this Russian document, which is, in my opinion,

more of an olive branch from the modern Russian government

to our government saying, hey, we don't have to repeat

the mistakes of yesterday. When you read through the contents,

he's talking about Kennedy wanting to like bridge the gap

between the Soviet Union and US and all this stuff

that Kennedy was trying to do. And so when you

really read this new Russian document, it's really a hey,

let's all get along and there's no reason for us

to repeat the mistakes of yesterday. Sorry, my dog's are alling.

Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay.

Speaker 1: Were these letters? I mean, you know, Corey, the bad

thing is sometimes we have to speculate on so much stuff.

But if we look at those letters that you're talking about,

do we know if they were written by Lee Harvey

Oswald or they weren't.

Speaker 7: So I need to go back and pull the original

letters that were sent before November ninth. There should be

three of them. My suspicion is that they were not

written by Oswald, or if they were it was simply

dictated to him.

Speaker 2: The fourth letter on November ninth.

Speaker 7: Which had it actually has Lee Harvey Oswald's apparent real

signature on it, but the rest of the letter is typed,

whereas the rest of the letters were all handwritten. So

I can give you fifty different ways you can get

someone's signature at the bottom of a page, you know,

and then have them fill in whatever else they're going

to write in there. So that's what I believe happened

with that letter, his signatures on it, which is either

a forgery or a good forgery or did they had

his name on the bottom of a piece of paper

and they filled in the rest so.

Speaker 1: Right, they just typed the letter up on top of them.

Speaker 6: Right.

Speaker 7: But the thing that's important about this whole thing is

that the Russians made very clear they knew that letter

was a provocation, and in saying that, they knew the

modern day research community would be all over this. And

that to me was the Russians being like, look, we

know it was a conspiracy period, right, And the Russians,

I have a feeling know everything, Like they might not

know the details on the ground, but I'm telling you, like,

if you don't think Putin knows exactly what happened on

nine to eleven, you know what I mean, Like, I

think it's their job when something like this happens, they

got to get to the bottom of it because they

need to know so they understand the greater geopolitical implications, right,

And so I have no doubts the Russians know everything

that happens about everything.

Speaker 2: So yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 1: So if Lake we're looking at Lee Harvey Oswald, where

was he brought up and raised?

Speaker 7: Well, he was born in New Orleans October eighteenth, nineteen

thirty nine. And so this is where we start to

run into problems with Oswald's life because we have a

well documented history going up till April or forty four,

with him being in New Orleans. By April of forty four,

he is then moved to Dallas, Texas, where he lives

at an address on Victor Street. The issue is that when

we get into some Oswald's own handwritten documents, we have

some major contradictions in where he says he was in

his own handwriting and where we know he was as

per the actual record, you know. And so the first

indication that there's a split in the record is in

he writes that he was in fort Worth from forty

one all the way to fifty six. That is absolutely

blatantly false. So why did he write that on his

history because it probably is true. But the thing that

most people will always have a hard time dealing with

is that there were genuinely two Lee Harvey Oswald, who

were both brothers, who are part of this intelligence operation

going back to at least nineteen forty one. So when

you try to explain this to people, they instantly tune out.

They're like, oh, whatever, you're crazy. Well, there is a

very common intelligence tactic called identity transfer. An identity transfer

is where you have an identity donor who then willingly

donates his identity to a spy, and then that spy

uses that identity as a cover. Right, that's called that's

a legend, And that's exactly I believe what they did

with Oswald going back to the time he was a child.

Otherwise we wouldn't have the sheer amount of contradictions that

we have in the record. And I can I mean

as probably I can think off the top of my head,

probably twenty right off the top of my head, just

in his early life alone on where he's supposed to

be living and where he's actually living.

Speaker 2: You know. So let me just just.

Speaker 1: Pull on that thread for a second. There with the

legend the two Lee Lee Harvey Oswald's the what's one

doing while the other one's doing? I mean, who is

the real Lee Harvey and which one is? Like the legend,

I mean.

Speaker 7: One thing that was determined by a researcher named John

Armstrong who was like the progenitor of the Harvey and

Lee theory, and honestly, after studying his work in depth

and writing a book on it, and I can tell you

it's not just theory, it's absolute reality. So we have

at times, I'll give you a great example, Okay, I

have in my book at least six times that Oswald

in his early life went by introduced himself as two

people who knew him as this knew him as the

name Harvey Oswald. Okay, this starts to appear really in

nineteen fifty one. We have this name Harvey Oswald on

a consolidated census record from Texas, so we have a

legal document shows the name Harvey Oswald, not Lee Harvey Oswald.

Then we get into like the nineteen fifty four to

nineteen fifty six era, So Oswald will go to New

York and as a whole slew of contradictions there. Okay,

when he's in New York, he sees a therapist named

Milton Currian. He will introduce himself to Milton Curian as

Harvey Oswald. So when when Milton Curien is interviewed, he

keeps referring to him as Harvey Oswald. Fast forward to

January nineteen fifty before Lee Harvey Oswald, the real Lee

Harvey Oswald. I can't find where he's living between January

and May of nineteen fifty four, but I can tell

you that during this time, at Borgard Junior High School

in New Orleans, there is a boy attending the what

is it, It would be the eighth grade, and he

meets a teacher there named Myra Darus LaRue who they

kind of become friends. He's hanging out after school at

the library all the time, and she was like teaching

girls physical education and sports. So she kind of met

him after school because he was always hanging out because

he never wanted to go home, And so he introduced

himself to Myra Darus LaRue as Harvey Oswald. She always

knew him as Harvey. Okay, so we have I have

in my book six different incidents where he either introduces

himself as Harvey, or writes his name in a phone

book as Harvey, or is known to people just in

general by Harvey. This behavior, actually, this pattern of use

of the name Harvey Oswald will actually reappear once he

gets back from the Soviet Union. Okay, so let me

just cut to the chase. The really Harvey Oswald is

photographed on his passport September tenth, nineteen fifty nine, in

Los Angeles. Okay, the really Harvey Oswald, and I have

a picture, actually, I'll I can bring up and show

you the differences. So this is the last time we

ever see the really Harvey Oswald. The person who went

to the Soviet Union and came back, who was involved

in everything with Kennedy is the boy who introduced himself

as Harvey Oswald to Milton Currion and to Myra Darus

LaRue and half a dozen other people who knew this

person as Harvey. So when you first hear this concept

that there's two Lee Harvey Oswald's, you're like, this is insane.

You're crazy. Even I to this day still feel crazy

talking about it at times because it's so outside the box.

But when you actually go through the records, it's it's

it's it's indisputable. This period of nineteen fifty four and

nineteen fifty six, in my opinion, is some of the

most crucial evidence for this to Oswald scheme, because we

don't have an address for Lee Harvey oswalduntil May of

fifty four. He will move into fourteen fifty four Saint

Mary in New Orleans in late May. We have multiple

people testify this to the Warrant Commission, Okay, that he

moved in there in late May. Yet we have somebody

going by Harvey Oswald attending Boregard the whole first semester

of that fifty four school year, right, and so we

don't see the real Lee Harvey Oswald until May of

nineteen fifty four, when he moves into that Saint Mary address.

Then we have some major contradictions in the record because

they're supposed to be living at fourteen fifty four Saint

Mary until June of nineteen fifty five. Okay, this sounds

like I'm nitpicking on addresses, but it's so important because

during this time of basically May fifty four until June

and fifty five, that's when Oswald's supposed to be at

fourteen fifty four Saint Mary. However, we have letters from

Marguerite Oswald to her other son, John Pick, who lives

up in New York starting in October of fifty four

at an address one twenty six Exchange Place. Okay, the

thing that's important about this is that Oswald and his

mother aren't supposed to live at one twenty six Exchange

Place until June of fifty five. But Myra Darus LaRue,

who knew Oswald at Boreguard in January through about that

first semester. As she knew Harvey Oswald, she drove him

home to one twenty six Exchange Place sometime around March

of nineteen fifty four, which is well over a year

and a couple months before they're ever supposed to have

ever lived there. And we have people testifying on both

ends of this. We have the testimony of Mayra Darus LaRue.

We have the testimony of Lillian Morrett, who is Oswald's aunt,

who's clearly in on this scheme and covering for her

sister and so it really gets out of control. And

then I actually traced when Oswald's supposed to be at

Boregard Junior High until June of fifty five. I was

at she able to put him at two different schools

in Fort Worth in late fifty four and the whole

first semester of fifty five, while we have full school

records of him being in New Orleans that whole time, right,

I've got at least a half a dozen witnesses who

put him in Fort Worth for that late fifty four

through mid fifty five school year. And the funny thing

is about this is that the house that he's living

at during this time while he's in Fort Worth is

an address seventy three to thirteen Davenport. Okay, this doesn't

appear anywhere in the record anywhere. You'll never find this

in any Kennedy record except the work of John Armstrong. Well,

it turns out that Robert Oswald will end up moving

into that house, and it's known that Robert Oswald lived there,

it's in all the records, but that doesn't happen for

two more years. So here we have Lee Harvey Oswald

living at an address on Davenport in Fort Worth, where

his brother will move into two years later.

Speaker 2: This is crazy. This is insane.

Speaker 7: Why is Oswald that inn address we already know about

two years before we're supposed to know about it, right,

this is It sounds like I'm nitpicking little stuff, but

this little stuff is like you pull these threads and

the whole story of Oswald's life comes crumbling to the ground.

So yeah, this is what gets me out of bed

every day. Like, this to me is so exciting because

it's it's uncharted territory. And when I got into Kennedy,

I was like, there's no uncharted territory left.

Speaker 2: Oh my god. There is so much uncharted territory. So much.

Speaker 1: The information is like really important to kind of have

written down, but I just want to draw the picture here.

So were you saying, basically, at the same time in

Fort Worth, we have a Harvey Oswald and one in

New Orleans.

Speaker 7: You have the really Oswald in New Orleans in the

January to June nineteen fifty five school year, which is

the crazy thing. You have Harvey Oswald going to school

for that first January semester, right, he leaves, and then

the really Harvey Oswald comes and takes his place at

that school. So the school records are one continuous school

record from January fifty four all the way to June

fifty five, which completely conflicts with all of the witness

testimony of yeah, at least two people who put him

in Fort Worth. You have the vice principle of Stripling

Junior High, who had Oswald's records and turned him over

to the FBI. He provided a statement to John Armstrong,

I mean a vice principle providing records to the FBI

telling a Kennedy researcher. That's about as greater a reference

as you can possibly get. So we know with absolute

certainty Oswald was at Stripling for at least six weeks

in that fifty four to fifty five school year. And

then after that six week period, that's when we start

to have the witnesses like Randall Reeves and Tommy Brown

and a couple other guys who knew Oswald at what

was called Monig Junior High.

Speaker 2: And I actually have the picture.

Speaker 7: They're like, yeah, this is Oswald in the photograph of

the school right at the school, you know, the nineteen

fifty five graduating class. I've got that picture, and there's

a guy in it who looks like Oswald. I'm like,

what is going on here?

Speaker 5: Right?

Speaker 7: So the evidence of Oswald being in two places at once,

especially in this January to June fifty five, to me,

is irrefutable. And the funny thing is it never changes, right,

The irrefutability of Oswald being in two places at once

does never change. After that at fifty five to fifty

six is when things get really serious, because the whole

entire time that when you look at the official record

of Oswald's life and where he lived, it's all the

real Lee, Harvey Oswald, and his mother. They're real addresses

that whole time. However, that changes in fifty six. In

fifty six the addresses of the official record become the

address of Harvey and his mother. Fifty four to fifty

five school year, where you have Harvey there in the

January semester, and he leaves over summer break, and then

after summer break Lee comes in and takes his place.

So they're close enough in looks to where I can

see how over a summer break a kid would appear

to grow five six inches, you know what I mean.

I think that's how they pulled it off. I think

that is the only time they could have pulled off

in that manner.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make sense, you wouldn't It wouldn't be

like a winner Ray. It would have to be something

like a summer vacation, right exactly. Time difference is months.

That way, there's growth obviously, you know, you talk to

people they've shoot up six inches a foot in the summer.

Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's possible, right, And I think that's how

they got away with it that year because that is

the only time they switched them out at the same school.

Speaker 1: And so I'm going to assume that the switching out

was done by spooks basically, is basically what I'm understanding.

Speaker 7: So I'm still trying to figure out the relationship between

how the spooks handled Marguerite and Lee. It's it's kind

of tough to figure out. Obviously, they had some kind

of handler going on somewhere, Okay, had to. And so

fellow researcher Diana Thomas discovered that every address attributed to

Mark and Lee, very in very close proximity, was either

an orphanage or a lunatic asylum, and both of THEO

and there were Lutheran and so and Margerite and her

son were allegedly Lutheran, but they never went to church,

so I don't know what that's about. So the top

two pictures are of the real Lee Harvey Oswald. The

photograph on the top left, that's Lee Oswald, photographed September tenth,

nineteen fifty nine, when he got his passport. The picture

on the right was also taken in nineteen fifty nine,

taken by his brother, and that photograph actually appears in

Robert Oswald's book Lee, which came out in nineteen sixty seven.

Those two people are obviously the same person. If he

asked me, look at the two pictures at the bottom.

This is the person that we know is Lee Harvey Oswald.

That is not even close to the same person. The

big differences are in the chin. If you look at

the top pictures, the really Oswald had a very kind

of pointed chin that came to like a very narrow

kind of point, whereas the Oswald who got arrested he

had a very wide chin. I mean, it's obvious here

in these pictures, you know. So usually these pictures are

the icing on the cake for most people. But it's

a very twisted tail. But once you come to understand

that our intelligence communities do covert operations and they have

something called identity transfer, which is exactly what we're talking about,

then the whole story really falls into place. And if

you think about it, this is way before this started

back in my opinion, forty one. A whole lot of

stuff happened in forty one, particularly with Marguerite Oswald, and

so forty one is way before there was a CIA

or even in OSS. Well, technically the OSS started in

forty two.

Speaker 2: Forty one.

Speaker 7: You have the Office of the Coordinator of Information, which

is the first ever civilian intelligence that America ever had,

so they're not involved with this. So who the hell

is running covert ops prior to that. There's only one group.

It's Naval intelligence, and I are the big guns in

covert ops prior to the CIA. So this to me

is a Naval intelligence pre Cold War plot to get

a spy into the Soviet Union period. At some point

in time it had to get handed over to the

CIA because they took over all Central Central Intelligence, they

took over all base, any intelligence operations that were going

on that were of like this kind of nature, they

obviously took over and so that to me makes it

pretty clear Oswald was naval intelligence, because what do they say,

once O and I always O, and I right, And

so I have no doubts that he was operating under

the auspices of naval intelligence. And then once he gets

back from the Soviet Union, the CIA is actively setting

him up. So something happens there. He was turned on.

Why was he turned on? And I don't know, maybe

because he brought a Russian spy back with him, you

know that to me seems like, Hey, the Russians weren't stupid.

They knew, they knew that he was a spy. So

when you read the Russians explanation on why they let

them leave, it doesn't make any sense because they don't

let Russian citizens leave period. And the excuse for letting

her leave was that she didn't have she didn't have

any intelligence knowledge.

Speaker 2: So why not let her leave?

Speaker 7: I'm like, well, nobody in the damn country had intelligence knowledge,

so why not let all of them leave?

Speaker 2: Right? So there their explanation is stupid.

Speaker 7: I believe they knew he was a spook, and so

they sent a spook back with him, because her whole,

her whole backstory. Just the very little bit that I've

started to dig into, it kind of contradicts, and her

name changes, and so it's like all kinds.

Speaker 2: Of weird stuff.

Speaker 7: And honestly, when I look at some of the pictures

of her, they don't look like some of the other

pictures of her.

Speaker 2: So I don't know what the hell's going on with Marina.

Speaker 7: But when she gets back to the States, she is

one clearly involved with a guy named Carrie Thornley who

was actively setting Oswald up. She actively took place, it

participated in the setup of Oswald. So there's a point

where Oswald is back from He goes to Mexico City allegedly,

but he never really went. And so after leaving there,

there's a whole bunch of sightings of Oswald in Alice, Texas,

and he tries to get a job at a radio station.

And when he goes in and talks to them that

he had a beat up old car and a woman.

Speaker 2: With a baby in the back seat. We're out in

the car.

Speaker 7: He's like, yeah, my wife doesn't speak English, so I

just let her sit out there. That was Carrie Thornley

setting Oswald up. It was never Oswald. Oswald never went

to Mexico City. I improved Oswald never went to Mexico City.

Oswald was still in New Orleans on September twenty sixth

of sixty three, when he's supposed to be in Mexico City, Right,

so I can prove he's not where.

Speaker 2: They say he is.

Speaker 7: And so another problem that I have, explaining Kennedy to

people is that the early life Oswald stuff the impersonation

of Oswald. I believe it was two brothers who were

part of a naval intelligence operation. That is completely different

from the Oswald impersonations that begin in nineteen sixty one.

Because in nineteen sixty one, Oswald is impersonated for the

very first time at Bolton Ford in New Orleans, and

he goes there with a husky Latin with a pockmark face,

a guy I identified as a guy named Lawrence Howard.

And so this person who went and gave the name

of Oswald, he actually gave the name Lee Oswald on

a written price quote sheet. This is in February of

This is in January of sixty one. Oswald doesn't get

back from the Soviet Union until June of sixty two. Right,

so we have someone here impersonating Oswald. But this has

nothing to do at all with the dual Oswald scheme,

which I say, I believe was in place until he

defects at a Soviet Union. So we have the termination

of one operation in fifty nine, and then once he's

over there in the Soviet Union, they start to set

him up. So they start setting him up. Well, see,

I don't know that there was no plot to kill

the president back then, so they couldn't have been setting

him up to kill the president in sixty one. So

what the hell were they doing dropping his name? What

were they setting him up to do? Why were they

using the name in sixty one, long before there ever

could have been an assassination plot that I don't have

an answer to, and I would very much like one.

I think I have some feeling towards it because one

of the guys whom Oswald went through the Marines with,

well for at least three months in Santa Ana, California,

was a guy named Kerry Thornley. Carrie Thornley, I've determined,

was a guy who got recruited by the CIA back

in high school, and then he goes into the Marines

between his junior and senior year, and then when he

gets to the he's interviewed at the Warrent Commission, he

lies about his entire marine background. And so this guy

basically goes to New Orleans after he gets out of

the Marines and starts hanging out with David Ferry and

Clay Shaw and the whole crew in New Orleans involved

in the assassination. And then Oswald gets back June of

sixty two. But according to Kerry Thornley, he didn't know

Oswald was back and he never saw Oswald, which totally

is contradicted by numerous statements of people who knew the

two of them, who saw them together at the Bourbon

House and a couple other places. Right, So Carrie Thornley

a big liar, definitely see a definitely paired with the

CIA guys in New Orleans virtually immediately after getting out

of the Marines. And so Carrie Thornley is the guy

who's in Mexico City. Carry Thornley is hanging out with Marina,

sitting Oswald up in different places. There's a whole bunch

of sightings of Oswald with a pregnant woman, with another

with another child, doing different things right at furniture martin Dallas.

There's a there's an incident, and there's a whole is

about half a dozen of these incidents where Oswald is

seen with his pregnant wife. Well, at times when I

can tell you with certainly Oswald is no one known,

I don't know where to hell. Oswald is definitely not

Oswald's right, So he's getting impersonated by Carrie Thornley, And

so Carry Thornley ends up being one of the major

players in the assassination itself and the killing of JD.

Speaker 2: Tippett and ultimately the cover up afterwards.

Speaker 7: So I forget where I was going with that, but

Carry Thornley definitely one of the most ignored people in

the entire Kennedy story, and it's important because he he was,

I believe, paired with Oswald, or at least he was

sent to Oswald's old duty roster assignments in at Sugi,

and so wherever Oswald went, Carrie Thornley was sent just

behind him, you know what I mean, like the same classes,

but almost like he wanted they wanted him to know

what Oswald was studying and doing, and like I feel

like they told him to become Oswald basically because he

ends up impersonating Oswald all kinds of places post June

of sixty two, besides the early stuff at Bolton Ford, Right,

But it's really important because he knew Oswald all the

way back then, and it goes to show at the

intelligence guys had their eyes on Oswald long before the

official story ever tells us that anyone ever caught win

to him, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: Yeah, So one of the things that just is weird,

and this is kind of bugging a little bit, not

a bad way, but what was the these impersonations? Why

was they tran and in impersonacy? Harvey was here Mexico

City or he was over here over there.

Speaker 7: I believe there were a lot of these incidents involved

him saying things that could be used against Oswald later.

Like a good example is in October of sixty three,

at a time when Oswald is living in Fort Worth,

allegedly Lee Harvey Oswald in quotes and his Russian speaking

wife and their child go to meet with a woman

named McGee in Baton Rouge and they go look at

a room that she was renting out, and so they

go down and they it's definitely not Oswald. Okay, it's

definitely carry Thornley and Marina setting Oswald up. He goes

to this place and he starts asking her, Hey, I

got a gun collection. Is this place safe? I need

to store my guns? Hey, I hear Kennedy's coming to town, right, Oh,

do you know what communism is?

Speaker 2: I'm a Marxist?

Speaker 7: Right, Like, just basically telling this lady all this stuff

that she never even asked and she and said that

to the FBI. He said all this stuff and I

never even asked him about none of it, you know

what I mean. So that was a pattern of things

that they did before the assassination. You got one hundred

plus people coming forward saying, hey, I dealt with this

guy before the assassination, and he talked about guns and communism,

and he says stuff that made himself stick out, you

know what I mean. And so whenever you start reading

these you're like, this ain't Oswald. They're setting him up.

And so but that setup went on for like, the

setup of Oswald went on for two and a half years,

which is crazy because I can't put the origin of

the plot pre sixty three, the earliest I can really

put the plot is like March of sixty three, because

that's when they ordered the rifle in his name. He

never ordered the rifle. The rifle was ordered with a

fake money order. So the whole story we have about

how we got the rifle is total BS. We don't

really know. I mean, I've been able to track the

rifle into the States in a group. It came in

a box of seventy rifles, seventy carcanos, and three of

them made their way to New Orleans, one d David Ferry,

one to Emelio Santana, and then Oswald allegedly got one

of these that he ordered through the mail, which is

the whole story is BS.

Speaker 1: So okay, So the goal was basically to.

Speaker 2: Set him up in various ways as a Marxist, right.

Speaker 1: But so geopolitically, I mean, this is the Cold War,

so okay, Okay, So we're talking about Cold War era

communists against Americans or whatever.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 7: The fact that if you were a communist, you were

kind of like, you know, like persana no garrata to

most people.

Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Because there's a lot of posters

and stuff like turn in your communist neighbors, Right, you know,

and so okay, so the aim here was to kind

of say, this dude is a gun nut, Like this

doesn't sound familiar at all, right, Like this is not

this doesn't sound like it happened a couple of months ago,

you know, at another place, maybe in Utah. Yeah, so

I'm just saying, but not saying. And so it's it's

right when you're like, hey, these things are kind of

this way. The right conclusion is this doesn't make sense,

and that should be That should be a red flag

for anybody who's looking at that, be like, I don't

go everywhere and just like start telling people crap about myself,

you know, right, nobody's business. And it doesn't seem like

you know, Harvey Oswald would have been you know, even

as a kid. There's none of these none of these

stories of him being a kid being like oh yeah

I'm this that and the other thing. I want to

do this or want to do that. There's none of

those stories. So it's not it doesn't make sense. It

doesn't follow.

Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, real quick, I want to show you. I

found the other picture that I wanted to show you.

This is the picture of the two different Marguerite Oswald's.

Speaker 2: So the woman on.

Speaker 7: The left is absolutely, without question, verifiably Marguerite Oswald, who

was the mother of Lee Harvey Oswald. She was about

five foot seven, she was thin. She always worked in retail, okay,

never worked in nursing, doesn't have any background in nursing,

never had any training in nursing. The woman on the right, however,

was identified as far back as nineteen forty seven as

having been Marguerite Oswald, who didn't have a car, didn't drive,

and worked as a nurse, whereas the other Marguerite worked

at retail, had a car.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 7: So this becomes brutally obvious when we get to an

address one oh one San Saba in Benbrook, Texas. So

the whole story falls apart there because both of these

women lived at that house at two different times, and

this was brought to the awareness of John Armstrong. But

that's clearly not the same woman. The woman on the

right is the woman who the world knows is Marguerite Oswald.

That's the woman who's in all the pictures, all the

interviews at the funeral. That's the woman who showed up

and was like my son, Lee's innocent, right, That's her.

Every single damn photograph of Mark Great Oswald up until

nineteen sixty is the woman on the left. This is

clearly not the same woman, right. But the great thing is,

I believe I know who the woman on the right

actually is. I believe I know her actual name. I

believe I know her actual backstory, or some of it

at least, And I believe that these two women are

actually first cousins.

Speaker 2: So that I'm still exploring. I will have to.

Speaker 7: There's not much information when you get into this kind

of stuff. I mean, honestly, I need to go to

New Orleans and I need to pull physical records, whatever

they may be, of the woman who I believe went

by the name Marguerite Oswald, who I believe her real

name is aminthe Voytier, who is the first cousin of Marguerite.

Speaker 2: Oswald, the real Marguerite Oswald.

Speaker 7: So just by looking at those pictures of Marguerite and Late,

it's clear, I mean, those pictures are not the same

people on either one to either account, not Marguerite nor Late.

And so yeah, that's what my whole next series of

books is all about.

Speaker 1: Like you said, it just doesn't make any sense that

we got we got to set this dude up because

he brought back a Russian spy. I mean, even that

idea sounds like a fart in the wind, you know

what I mean, It's that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2: And so.

Speaker 1: Do we know if the real Harvey Oswald, the one

we arrested, the one in the rest pictures, was he

in California? Is this the same Harvey Oswald that was

in California that worked with the laundry truck whatever.

Speaker 2: Okay, so.

Speaker 7: Obviously the official story is only there's only onely Harvey Oswald, right,

so you have to kind of try to differentiate. You

have to go through all the records and make your

two different timelines and all that stuff.

Speaker 2: And so.

Speaker 7: Post fifty nine we don't see the really Harvey Oswald ever.

Speaker 2: Again, if you.

Speaker 7: Ask me, it's Harvey Oswald the entire time, all through

the assassination stuff. The really Harvey Oswald is in the wind,

probably under a different name. And John Armstrong actually did

a ton of work on that and he identified somebody

who he believes was the really Harvey Oswald years later.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so we understand that he was in California for

a period of time in the Marine Corps. Okay, all right, okay,

and then this laundry ticket, Oh.

Speaker 2: The laundry ticket.

Speaker 7: Okay, okay, so I think you're mixing up some stories here,

So I got to straight here though. So the laundry ticket,

the laundry ticket is relevant because the laundry ticket, and

this is separate from James's work on that laundry. This

is a different laundry. So at the tip oft shooting,

they find a jacket. Inside the jacket was a tag,

a laundry tag. Forever allegedly, nobody could figure out where

this tag came from. Well, Jim Garrison determined that that

tag came from the laundry at El Toro Marine Base

in which is basically Los Angeles. Okay, this is amazing

because this basically the suspect who killed JD. Tippett was

an Oswald impersonator, someone who looked like Oswald but wasn't. Okay,

I'm going to cut to the chase. It was Carrie Thornley, Okay,

the guy who I've been talking about who' been setting

Oswald up this whole time. Right, And so the reason

it's so important that tag is because that tag the

only other person in the whole damn story. Besides Oswald,

who was at El Toro is Carrie Thornley, right, And

so the tag inexplicably links Carry Thornley to the tip

of shooting. That's why that tag is so important, all right.

So and that brings us back to Carry Thornley, the

most overlooked person in the whole damn assassination. Now, Carry

Thornley didn't have anything to do with Daily Plaza. He

was not in Daily Plaza.

Speaker 2: He was.

Speaker 7: He was his job was setting up Oswald. And then

he's involved shooting JD. Tippett, which is the cop that

got killed right after Kennedy got killed.

Speaker 2: Right, So.

Speaker 7: That will lead us to the Texas Theater where once

again two Oswald's are arrested out of the Texas Theater,

which is wild Oswald, as we all know, or goes in.

I'm not going to tell the whole story of the

Texas Theater, but he's in there to meet with somebody.

He's in there, he meets with a pregnant woman. We

no one's ever identified the pregnant woman. I have a

couple of suspects, but still no go there. But he's

obviously there to meet a handler. He probably doesn't even

know that the President's been killed because he gets in

there about one between one o two and one oh seven, right,

so he was, by my calculations, he was in Fort

Worth all morning.

Speaker 2: He didn't work at the book depository. He's in Fort

Worth all morning.

Speaker 7: He catches a cab driven by a guy named Trevy

Delano bo Click, who drops him off at the Texas Theater.

He enters between one o two and one oh seven.

This is seen by Butch Burrows, who's one of the

guys inside the theater who works there, And so Oswald

isn't alleged to have gotten to the theater until one

thirty six pm. Allegedly he leaves a tip of shooting,

and he goes and stops at Hardy Shoe Store, and

then he walks into the Texas Theater and he's followed

in by Johnny Brewer, the guy from Hardy Shoe Store.

Speaker 2: And that's how that story goes.

Speaker 7: So we after Oswald is pulled out of the front

of the theater, Okay, about five minutes later, we have

multiple witnesses to a guy who looked just like Lee

Harvey Oswald who's arrested in the balcony of the theater

and he's taken out the back door. Butch Burrows, who

was the candy guy there, sold Oswald popcorn at one

fifteen PM. Okay, the tip of shooting, according to the

official story, happened at one sixteen PM. So according to

the official story, he couldn't have been anywhere near the

tip of shooting because he was buying popcorn right But no,

he was actually the tip of shooting actually heard at

one six and he was actually in the theater right

around that time also, so clearly it's the second person.

It was Carrie Thornley. But we have the word of

Butch Burrows, who sees this guy get arrested and taken

out the back. Then we have Bernard Hare, who runs

Bernie's hobby House, which is right next to the Texas Theater.

He sees all the commotion out front. He's like, what's

going on? He hears commotion out back. He goes out

back and he sees what he believes is Lee Harvey

Oswald being arrested and putting it put in a cop

car in the back alley of the Texas Theater. Okay,

so we have Oswald again two places at once arrested

twice out of the Texas Theater. We then Oswald in

custody at this point, but we five minutes later we

have another sighting of Oswald over at mac pate's garage,

where he's seen wearing a white T shirt just like

he was wearing at the tip of shooting, inside a

red Ford Thunderbird, which is actually owned by a guy

named Igor Vaganov, who's a low level mob CIA kind

of spook. And so yeah, so to me, this series

of events is pretty wild. Oswald goes in, he meets

with his handler, he buys popcorn, watches the movie, gets arrested.

This whole time, Kerry Thornley's out there at the Tippet shooting.

He's taking care of Tippet. He runs to a house

on a on off of Jefferson, he guys, does a

whole bunch of stuff, makes his way to the Texas Theater,

goes in around one thirty six ish. So now we

got two Oswald's in the building. No, it's wild, but

that's exactly what all the evidence and witness statements say. So,

but this is none of this note and you'll never

hear any of this in like an official story. Right,

You'll never hear the government tell you any of this

stuff because they can't ever admit Oswald was being impersonated.

Why would Oswald be Okay, if Oswald's being impersonated, that's

an intelligence fingerprint, period, no matter what.

Speaker 2: So they can't ever admit that.

Speaker 7: But they have major problems because the story with Oswald,

He's supposed to be in Mexico City on the twenty

sixth of September, and hear for a couple of days.

But then we have the incident with Silvia Odio at

Sylvia Odio's house, which was the September twenty seventh, the

day after Oswald's supposed to be there. So so three

guys show up at Silvia Odio's house. She says, it's

two Cubans and a guy who introduces himself as Leon Oswald, okay,

and they try to get her to write a bunch

of letters to people to raise money for the Cuban cause,

and then they leave. She swears it was Lee Harvey Oswald, right, Okay,

wasn't Oswald Okay? It was a guy named William Seymour.

William Seymour was another person impersonating Oswald. There were two

main There were two primary impersonators of Oswald, Kerry Thornley

and William Seymour. And when you look at pictures of

these guys, you're like, damn, it's not exact. The face

is a little different, but the hairline, the general height

to build and like when it gets into CII identity transfer,

you come to understand, even in their own writings about it,

that the person doesn't have to look identical. They just

have to be in a position where their not appearance

is not going to be scrutinized. Right, Like if you

have the two people, if you have the real guy

and the impersonator next to each other, people could see

the differences. But when they're not next to each other,

people overlook most of the stuff because they're just casual observers.

So they missed the detail. And that's how they got

away with all the setting up of Oswald before the assassination.

All those people who came out after the assassination, it

was like I was with Oswald and he talked about communism.

I saw Oswald and he talked about guns. I saw

Oswald and they talked about Soviet Union. Right, That's how

they got away with it because the person didn't have

to be identical, They just had to be similar enough

to when not scrutinized and seen later on television on

a grainy black and white TV, they're gonna be like.

Speaker 2: That's the guy I was with when it wasn't you

know what I mean?

Speaker 1: So, yeah, nobody thinks about how we'll have the receipts

in the future of all these events, right.

Speaker 7: But you just nailed it because not a single one

of these geniuses in the sixties ever could envision something

like the Internet. Do you think do you think James

Angleton could have envisioned that I could ever look up

his entire life story on my computer from home?

Speaker 1: Never?

Speaker 2: The concept is like, what are you talking about? They

would never, ever.

Speaker 7: So they did a lot of stuff that in hindsight

they never thought they get caught. But because of the

glory of technology, we could figure it all out.

Speaker 2: I see.

Speaker 7: I understand once upon a time we couldn't figure it

Kennedy assassination out. But I'm sorry. Once we got into

the digital age and like the late twenty teens, like

once we got by into twenty dude, by twenty twenty,

you got everything you fucking need to solve this thing.

Speaker 2: Period.

Speaker 1: It's because it was you know, as a kid growing

up in the eighties through the nineties, this didn't sit

right with me. Man, there was something wrong with it.

It just you know, if it smells like fish usually

is right, right.

Speaker 7: So the one thing that really when I started my research,

I really didn't think I was gonna figure anything out.

I figured out I'm like, it's been sixty years. Some

genius out there would have solved everything. And then I

started to figure some things out, and I'm like, did

I really figure that out?

Speaker 2: There's no way.

Speaker 7: I'm like, nad, There's no way that I could be

the first person to figure this thing out, Like particularly

with David Ferry, because the old story about David Faery

is that David Faery was this guy, real creepy, weirdo

involved a Civilar patrol and a bunch of weird stuff

down in New Orleans. Definitely mob and CIA connected work

for Carlos Marcelo. His official story and the official story,

and what all Kennedy researchers still believed to this fucking

day is that he was in New Orleans on the

day of the assassination where he was seen in court,

seen at the offices of g Ray Gill, then seeing

at a party for Carlos Marcelo. It's like, dude, all

your damn alibi witnesses are mobsters, Okay, what are you

doing here?

Speaker 4: Right?

Speaker 7: And a corrupt FBI agent named Regis Kennedy. Those are

all your alibi witnesses, okay. And so one once I

realized David Ferry was in Dallas and he was, we

have mult So we have ed Hoffman, and we have Velma,

and we have a couple of people who saw shooters

by the knoll and in the area behind the book depository,

and the person who they who they saw, no one's

ever identified. Well, dude, it's obviously it's obviously David Ferry.

When you get into who David Ferry was, and when

you debunk his alibi about he has a whole alibi

story about going to this Winterland ice skating rink and

a whole bunch of stuff. I debunked that whole alibi

top to bottom. And once you debunked that alibi, it's like,

whoa David Ferry was in Dallas where he was one

of the shooters. So once I realized that, I realized

that just nobody else in the whole world who has

put that conclusion out publicly yet, and so I did.

And it's like once I realized that, once I realized that, yes,

there is more to be discovered, that there is people

haven't figured out anything, really, I was like, that's when

I had made the decision to do this full time.

And I've been doing it full time ever since because

there's so much more, Like the Oh my god, the

amount that was undiscovered compared to what we already knew

is on the ratio is unbelievable.

Speaker 2: There's so much more, Like I have discovered whole new

realms of.

Speaker 7: Research to dive into, you know what I mean, because

everyone sticks with the same old story. It's the CIA

killed Kennedy over Vietnam. Shut up with your propaganda. Okay, No,

Israel killed Kennedy because he was going to end them

as a country period. He saw them as the disgusting,

revolting country that they are today, and he was going

to cut off funding and he was going to make

sure there was no Israel. And that's why they killed him.

It was an existential threat to them. And when you

come to understand the Israelis relationships with the CIA, and

then the CIA's relationship with the Mob, and then the

Mob's relationship with the Israelis. The Mob in the Israelis

were so goddamn tight Monockem began. The father of all

terrorism in the world was Mickey Cohen's personal rabbi in

Los Angeles in nineteen four forty nine.

Speaker 2: Oh my god.

Speaker 7: Like then you come to understand David Ben Gurion had

a personal relationship with Meyer Lanski, who ran the whole mob. Right,

and there you go. You got Sonboorne Institute. For twenty years,

they stole our military surplus post World War Two, shipped

it all to Israel. You have the burglaries of multiple

bunkers we had like post World War two, all of

our surplus went around the country to all these different

armories in every state. They had a campaign for twenty

years of breaking into these armories and stealing all those

weapons and shipping them to Israel. Right, this is this

is some of the most fundamental stuff in understanding the

motivation behind killing Kennedy. And this was that gets overlooked

by everybody. People, all the Kennedy researchers know about the

Homa bunker burglary done by David Ferry and his guys,

but they don't connect it to enter Armco in Virginia

and the fact that inter Armco sent everything to Israel,

not the Anticastro Cubans. Right, so everyone thinks that all

the stuff that was going on and all these burglaries

they were doing was to help the anti cast Cubans.

It's the biggest red herring in all of Kennedy.

Speaker 1: The Vietnam thing is the biggest red hair.

Speaker 7: Oh my god, the whole Vietnam thing is retarded. Kennedy

had no intention of pulling out. You don't spend six

billion dollars in nineteen sixty three on airplanes and helicopters

if you're not going to war. Sorry, that's the equivalent

of sixty billion today.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was prepped. It was already prepped

to do the thing.

Speaker 7: And even the CIA in there in the ZR Rifle files,

they reference Kennedy's executive order, the troop reallocation, and they

even acknowledged themselves that that was not a withdrawal, that

was a that was meant to put pressure on DM

to allow the CIA to get involved in their war

and it didn't work, and so they killed DM.

Speaker 2: Right, and so that's what that whole thing was about. Right.

So real history is never the surface level. It's always

what's underneath, you know.

Speaker 1: Yep, you always look for you always look for the

real Follow the money, That's what I tell people. Follow

the money, dude.

Speaker 2: You know that.

Speaker 7: I used to think it was all about the money,

but I think that's shifted in the modern era. I

think I don't think anything Israel is doing it all

today has to do with money. I think it's got

to do with power and land and influence, absolute power.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 7: So that's why it's scary, because if it was just

money they were after, that's one thing. But when your

motivations lie beyond money, man, that's when it gets scary.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Once again, go ahead and tell people where they

can find you at and the things that you're working on,

because I do believe you give presentations from time to time.

Speaker 7: Yeah, so all my work as a core us dot

org has got links to all my stuff. Really, if

you're interested in World War two, I do a substack

on World War two bloodyhistory dot substack dot com. Otherwise, listen,

listen to my podcast and buy my books. A Warning

from History is my book, my first book, and it

I identify all the shooters and their relationship to the

larger apparatus. So that's what I recommend everyone pick up

if they're interested in actually understanding the case.

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