The Virginia Roberts Deposition That Helped Expose Epstein And Maxwell (Part 9)
In her sworn deposition from 2016 (unsealed in 2020), Virginia Giuffre detailed how Ghislaine Maxwell recruited, groomed, and trafficked her into Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking operation starting when she was 16. She testified that Maxwell approached her at Mar-a-Lago in 2000 under the pretense of offering her work as a masseuse for a wealthy benefactor. That “job” quickly evolved into sexual abuse. According to Giuffre, Maxwell took an active role in teaching her how to sexually service Epstein, including hands-on “training” sessions involving Maxwell herself. She stated that Maxwell instructed her to recruit other underage girls and was fully aware — and involved — in the trafficking scheme. Maxwell not only facilitated the abuse, Giuffre claimed, but also participated in it, organizing flights, outfits, and sex schedules for Epstein and his associates.
Giuffre’s deposition also included accusations that she was trafficked to powerful men at Maxwell’s direction. She named Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, Jean-Luc Brunel, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell, and Glenn Dubin among the men she was forced to have sex with — often in Epstein’s residences or on his private jet, the “Lolita Express.” Giuffre detailed incidents of sexual abuse at Epstein’s private island (Little St. James), in Maxwell’s London townhouse, and at Epstein’s New York and Palm Beach homes. She described Maxwell’s role as operational: coordinating travel, preparing the girls, dictating what to wear (often schoolgirl outfits), and ensuring silence through emotional manipulation and threats. Giuffre testified that Maxwell told her to be “grateful” and warned her that speaking out would have consequences — including death. Throughout the deposition, Giuffre emphasized that she was a minor being trafficked across state and international lines, and that Maxwell was not only aware but orchestrating every detail. Her statements were corroborated years later by other victims and led to Maxwell’s 2021 conviction on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges.
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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're going to continue on with the
Virginia Roberts deposition by picking up where we left off. Menager, Okay,
did you observe Glenn Maxwell forcing any of those four
girls to have sexual contact with her? Edward's form mischaracterizes testimony.
You can answer, Virginia, you wouldn't want to piss us off.
You wouldn't want to piss me and Jeffrey off. I mean,
that's one way of saying it, other than Menager, did
she say I don't want you would not want to
piss me off? Virginia? Piss me off is probably my
word using piss, but it was along those lines. I
don't remember the exact word that she used. Menager. And
do you remember a specific occasion on which he said
that to you? Virginia? I remember very early on, Menager,
where were you Virginia? I believe it was during my
what I call the training period with Jeffrey and Golaane. Menager, okay,
and where were you Virginia? For a specific and like
I said, it happened a lot, but for one specific
I remember being out on the balcony in the house
at Elbrio, sitting outside with her. This is when I
thought that I didn't know that I worked for Jeffrey.
Immediately I thought I worked for A Glaine because she
was the one who brought me in and she was
the one offering the majority of the training to me.
So yeah, I was on the balcony outside. I believe
the Yellow Room Menager. She said that you would not
want to piss me off because I know powerful people,
or words to that effect, Virginia, words to that effect, yes, Manager.
And did she say that what would happen if you
did piss her off? Because she knows powerful people, Virginia.
That statement alone was enough to let me know I
was scared, and I didn't want to I didn't want
to push any further into that question. I seemed like
I would obey manager. Up until that point in your life,
had you ever met any powerful people? Brad Edwards objects
to this and objects to form, Virginia. I do believe
that I've been put in very dangerous situations, being a
runaway and having a lot of bad things happened to me.
Understanding the word powerful people and things that could happen
I've put two and two together and knew what she meant. Manager. Okay,
so you had met powerful people before the day that
Glen Maxwell said this to you. Is that your testimony,
Virginia nowhere near as powerful as Jeffrey and Glaine, nowhere near.
But people did scare me? Yes, okay. And you had
met those people at what age, Virginia. I don't know
what age I was. I'm sorry, I was young. I
was before I met Jeffrey and Golaine. Manager. Is there
a girl who you personally observed to have sexual contact
with Gleann Maxwell when she he was under the age
of eighteen, Virginia. It's very hard to tell how many
girls were under the age of eighteen. My instruction from
them was the younger, the better, Menager, And again them
who told you that Virginia them, both of them. They
both Glaine did the majority of my training in the beginning.
Jeffrey also insinuated and told me lots of things as well. Menager. Okay,
so you don't know the age of any of the
other females that you saw have sexual contact with Glene Maxwell.
Edwards objects to this and says, form Menager, is that true?
Edwards again objects to the form of the question mischaracterized
her testimony. She wasn't finished with her answer. Manager, I
wasn't finished with my question when you objected, and at
the end of my question, I said, is that true?
She can now restate it without you suggesting to her
the answer. Edwards, I have no idea what the question
is to even object to at this point. Do you
know the question? Virginia? Do I know any underage girls
that Glaine slept with? Menager? Can you please read back
the question record read as requested Edward's hold on. She
wasn't finished with her question. She told me so, that's
not the finished question, Menager. You interrupted it. I finished
my question, she just read it to her. Menager, can
you please answer the question? Edwards once again? Then I
object to that question as a mischaracterization of her testimony,
and she wasn't finished with her answer. Virginia, it's impossible
for me to know the ages of all the girls
that were sent to Jeffrey and Glaine. That is my answer, Menager.
I did not ask you about the girls who were
sent to Jeffrey and Golaine. I ask you about any
girl that you personally saw have sexual contact with Glene Maxwell.
Do you understand that question, Virginia? Do I know the
ages of all of them? Menager? Do you know the
age of any girl that you saw have sexual contact
with Glene Maxwell? Virginia, Well, for instance, I mean redacted
was I think a year older than me. That's one
way of putting it. Redacted. I think was like a
few years older than me. Redacted again, a few years
older than me. I mean, those are the girls that
I can actually name. Without not knowing the other girls' names,
there's no way for me to identify what age they
actually were. Menager, Okay, describe for me any other girl
other than the ones you've named who you say you
saw have sexual contact with Glaine with your own two eyes, Virginia,
there's so many. I don't know where you want me
to start. I find it impossible to answer that question
with the amount of girls that I have witnessed and
without being able to give you specific names, I don't
think I'm able to answer that question. Meninger. Okay, I
asked you to describe them so you could give me
a height, a hair color, anything that comes to mind. Virginia.
There were blondes. There were brunettes, there were redheads. They
were all beautiful girls. I would say the ages ranged
between fifteen and twenty one. Menager? And why do you
believe the ages ranged from fifteen to twenty one? Virginia.
Some of them looked really young some of them. I
wouldn't say twenty one looks old or anything like that.
But it's hard to gauge another person's age without really
asking them. But some of them looked younger than me,
and some of them looked older than me. Menager, And
in what physical locations did you see Glene Maxwell have
sexual contact with any girl? Virginia one hundred percent the USVII? Menager?
Where Virginia Jeffrey's Island. Menager? Where Virginia in cabanas? Do
you know what I mean by cabanas? Menager? I do,
thank you, Virginia in cabanas in Jeffrey's room. Manager, describe
Jeffrey's room on USVI for me, Virginia. So I can
use this as an idea, like if this is the island?
Can I do that? Manager? I'm asking you to describe
the inside of the room, Virginia. Oh, the inside of
a room I thought you met located Menager. Uh huh, Virginia, Okay,
large stony. He had a king sized bed with posts
on it. There was a large door, I think it's
called a door where you put your clothes. There was
an adjacent bathroom with a more stony look, giant tub. Manager.
What color was the paint on the wall, Virginia, it
was stone, Menager. What color was the bed spread Virginia white? Manager.
What color were the sheets Virginia white? Menager? And you
saw Glenn Maxwell have sexual contact with an unknown, unnamed
female in that room? Correct? Virginia absolutely, Menager? All right,
when were you there that you saw this happen, Virginia.
This happened on so many occasions. The island was a
place where orgies were a constant thing that took place.
And again, it's impossible to know how many. Like I said,
it was just Jeffrey's room. It was outside, and you
know it was Menager interrupts here, when you were outside,
did you see Glen Maxwell have sexual contact with a female? Virginia.
When you say sexual contact, does that mean fornicating or
down to taking explicit photos or what can you define
what you mean by sexual contact? Menager? Sure, it generally
in my mind, means placing either mouth or intimate parts
or hands on the breast, buttocks, or a pubic area
of another person for sexual gratification. Virginia. Sure, manager, did
you see Glene Maxwell have sexual contact with a woman
outside on the US virgin Islands? Virginia. I would say
a female. I wouldn't define them as a woman. A
woman is someone who is older. But yes, outside by
the pool, down by the beach, there's these They're little.
I wouldn't call it a hut, like little tiny wooden
rooms that only could fit a bed in it. Menager.
I'm talking about outside, Virginia. That's outside, Manager. So let's
start with by the pool, Virginia. Yes, Manager, is that
a different occasion than the hut Virginia. I'm talking about
many occasions, Menager. Okay, Virginia. Over time, Manager, let's just
talk about the ones that you saw happen outside outdoors Virginia. Okay, Manager,
Do you recall any such specific occasion or is it
just a big blur in your mind? No? I mean
one occasion stands out. Models were I think there were
models were flown in. There were orgies held outside by
the pool. That's one occasion. All right, let's stick with
that occasion. Virginia. Okay, Manager. What sexual contact did you
observe Glenn Maxwell have with a female by the pool
at an orgy on the US virgin Islands, Virginia. Well,
there was quite a few girls, and it was excuse
me if I'm saying this in an explicit way, but
I don't know how else to say it. So if
you don't understand, please let me know. Go on girl action.
So there was a lot of what's the word for it, licking,
licking vaginas breasts Menager? Okay, which Virginia fingers being used?
She was involved in that. I remember specifically. I had
to go down to you know what that means by
go down, Menager, it's your testimony. You go ahead, Virginia.
I had to go down on the lane. Jeffrey was
there as well, Menager. And this is were you still
buy the pool. Virginia were still by the pool with
lots of girls, Menager. Can you name any of those
girls that were there, Virginia. They didn't even speak English,
but this was Menager. Can you describe them physically? Virginia
a beautiful tall, some were blonde, some were Sandy Brown.
They had a foreign tongue, Menager. What language were they speaking, Virginia.
I'm not too sure. It could have been Russian, it
could have been Czechoslovakian, it could have been I think
it's between those two, to be honest, it could have
been something else. But I mean, I don't speak any
other language other than English, so I really don't know, Menager.
All right, any other time you saw Glen Maxwell have
sexual contact with another female outdoors in the US virgin
Islands other than this models with the unknown language? Virginia
answers are we talking about besides with me as well? Manager,
I don't know if you participated. I'm asking if you
observed her have sexual contact with another female Virginia, another
female other than myself. Manager, you can answer it however
you want, Virginia. Well, and the list keeps going on.
Glenn and Jeffrey and redacted participated in. I guess what
you would call a foursome in the living room in
the main house. Manager, Okay, I was asking about outdoors. Sorry, Virginia.
Oh well, I don't know if you'd consider this outdoors,
But on the beach where those it's basically an outdoor setting.
It's like a little wooden house. It's not a house.
Only a bed could fit in there. And it's right
on the beach. It's open. Menager. Uh huh, Virginia, would
you consider that outdoors? Manager? I have never been there,
so I don't know whether it's outdoors or not. Virginia.
I would consider it outdoors. And she's interrupted by Menager.
How old were you at the time, Virginia. I don't know, Menager. Okay, Virginia,
I have no idea. Again, Golaine myself another girl in
this blue outdoor. I don't know what you want to
call it, cabana that a house, just a bed could
fit in Menager. How many times did you visit the island, Virginia.
I wouldn't be able to say lots of times. Manager.
More than five, Virginia, definitely more than five. Manager, more
than ten, Virginia more than ten. Menager more than twenty
Virginia I would say more than twenty. Menager more than
fifty Virginia. I don't think more than fifty. But she's
interrupted again by manager. Did then, Virginia interrupts Menager. I
don't have an exact number. I mean, if I think
if you look at the flight logs. You know that helps,
but then they're not fully complete. We only have flight
logs to one plane. And then there's a time I
was flown commercially into the island. Manager, uh huh, Virginia.
So it's really hard for me to gauge a number. Manager. Okay,
do you have any photographs of yourself on the island Virginia?
I know I used to, but they would be left
in that apartment. Manager. What other locations did you participate
in sexual contact with Glenn Maxwell other than the island Virginia?
Everywhere New York, Palm Beach manager where in New York, Virginia,
the mansion Jeffrey's mansion manager okay, anywhere else in New York, Virginia.
Not at her townhouse. Manager anywhere else in New York, Virginia.
No manager in Palm Beach, Virginia. At the house in
Palm Beach, manager anywhere else in Palm Beach, Virginia. No
menager in New Mexico, Virginia, the house in New Mexico.
Manager anywhere else in New Mexico, Virginia. No manager. What
other countries? Virginia, France, England. We also, I mean if
we're going to talk about other countries, we've got to
talk about international travel space or plane space or whatever
you want to call it, because it happened all the
time on the plains. Menager, Okay, Virginia, going from different
country to country. Manager, where in France did you have
sexual contact with Glenn Maxwell? Virginia. There's a couple places
in France that we used to go. Manager. When you
say you used to go, how many times did you
go to France, Virginia responds, I think I've been to
France three times. Menager, All right, how old were you
when you went to France, Virginia. I don't know. Manager.
Did you have a passport when you went to France, Virginia,
I would have to have, yes, Manager, you did have
a pass when you went to France, Virginia, Yes, Manager.
And you went to France three times, you believe, Virginia. Yes. Manager.
And when you were in France those three times, how
many times of those three times did you have sexual
contact with Glenn Maxwell? Virginia every time? Manager? And in
what locations in France did you have sexual contact with
Glenn Maxwell? The first time that I remember, we stayed
at a really fancy hotel. Manager in what city, Virginia, Paris?
Manager okay, And it was within the view of Champs Elise, Virginia.
And then manager says, did you have your own room
or a separate room, Virginia. We all stayed in the
same room, but that room had adjoining rooms to it,
so you know, one hotel room, but with different rooms
in it. Manager okay, and anywhere else. On that one
trip that you went, she brought in a redheaded French girl.
She walked up to her in Paris, and you know,
in your presence, Manager asked, Virginia. In my presence Menager,
uh huh, Virginia. And she walked up to this French
girl to show me how easy it was for her
to procure girls. I wasn't very good at it, and
you know it was part of my training was to
bring in other girls. So she walked up to her.
Within five minutes, she had her number, and that girl
came over later that night to the hotel and serve
as Jeffrey. I didn't see Glaine with her. I just
know she told me what happened, and that Jeffrey told
me what happened manager, So you were not there Virginia,
I didn't see it. Manager, Okay, when did you have
sexual contact with Glene Maxwell? Brad Edwards once again objects
to this before Virginia answers. I believe it's hard for
me to remember. I remember going to quite a few
different countries on that trip. I don't know if it
was I don't know if we did it in Paris
or not. To be honest, we did it in other places.
But I've been to Paris three times or not Paris?
Sorry France. Manager, Okay, all right, when did you first
tell your parents that you would be traveling with Jeffrey Epstein? Virginia.
I'm not too sure when I actually told them. Manager.
How long after you were working with Jeffrey Epstein did
you travel with them? Virginia? Well, I know that my
first trip was to New York. I would say anywhere
between six weeks. I would say after six weeks. Manager,
you were you had known Jeffrey Epstein for six weeks
before you started traveling with them, Virginia, I believe, Manager.
Am I understanding that correct? Virginia? I believe so. I
mean that's an approximate answer, Manager. And did you just
go to New York and come back, or did you
go somewhere else, Virginia. I think I just went to
New York because I can't remember if we went somewhere else. Manager. Okay,
and did you tell your parents you were going to
New York, Virginia? Yes? Manager, And do you recall any
part of your conversation with your parents about going to
New York, Virginia. I didn't get into details about what
I was having to do with Glenn and Jeffrey. I
didn't tell them that, but I told them I was
going to New York. Manager, you don't recall telling them
anything else about it, Virginia, I don't know. I mean,
I might have called them from New York and told
them it was cold and you know, just simple stuff.
But I can't really recall what I spoke to them about. Manager,
as I understand it. The food is here, So I'm
going to suggest this is a good time for us
to now take a break. Mister Edwards, sounds good, Manager, alright, Videographer,
we're off the record at twelve forty two. Sounds like
the perfect time for us to take a break, too.
So that's what we're going to do. And we're gonna
stop here and in the next episode on the topic,
we'll pick up where we left off. All of the
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