Mega Edition: A Look Back At The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial (Part 1) (7/14/26)

This episode takes a flashback look at some of the biggest moments from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, revisiting the testimony, courtroom exchanges, and key developments that stood out as the case unfolded. Rather than retelling the entire trial from beginning to end, the episode returns to selected highlights that captured the weight of the proceedings and helped shape the public’s understanding of Maxwell’s role in Jeffrey Epstein’s operation.

From powerful witness testimony to pivotal moments involving the prosecution and defense, these clips offer a snapshot of one of the most closely watched trials connected to the Epstein scandal. The episode is a look back at the moments that defined the courtroom drama, exposed important details, and ultimately contributed to Maxwell’s conviction.


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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to the Epstein Chronicles. Yesterday

mark day one of the Galaine Maxwell trial, and I

have to tell you I was caught a bit off guard.

I wasn't expecting Larry big Dog Vasasky to be put

on the stand right away like that. I figured there

would be some opening statements from both sides and then

we'd get into the meat and the potatoes, a little

bit of the meat on the bone in the coming days.

But they got right to it yesterday. And Larry Vassasky

is a major cock within the Epstein realm. He was

Epstein's pilot. He was flying all of these people all

over the world, and obviously, according to him, he'll tell

you that he didn't know who was on all of

those flights, especially the domestic ones. But you have to

think that the government believes that he has something to

add if they're calling him as their first witness. And

it also makes me wonder if he cuts some kind

of deal with the government. Now, again, there's zero evidence

that Larry Vasosky was ever going to be indicted or

anything like that, but it's pretty interesting that he's working

with the government here. I mean, we're talking about a

guy that Jeffrey Epstein gave a plot of land to

right over there in his own ranch down in Stanley.

And when I went down there to New Mexico, it

is almost hard to explain just how vast this property

is and just how desolate this property is. Jeffrey Epstein

set up a nice little home away from home down

there at Zoro Ranch, and the things he was doing

down there were very secretive, right, It wasn't something that

was well publicized. There was a reason he chose that

spot in New Mexico. I mean, obviously one of the

reasons is the age of consent there, but there were

other reasons why Jeffrey Epstein chose New Mexico. And the

fact that he was able to get away with the

things he was able to get away with in New

Mexico is just mind boggling to me. But the point is,

you don't give somebody a big fat chunk of land

in a place that you're hoping to keep relatively private

or at the very least under a shroud of secrecy,

a piece of land there if you don't trust them.

So my question is what enticed him to offer up

information for the government. Now Again, I don't have any

lead saying that he had a profit agreement or he

was in any jeopardy of being indicted. But I just

find it interesting that he is talking with the government now,

and not only just talking with the government obviously, but

taking the stand as a government witness. Usually that kind

of thing doesn't just happen organically, right. The government is uh,

you know, they find ways to get people to do

what they want them to do. Especially if you have

something that might be criminal hanging over your head, they

will definitely leverage that, they'll use it in their favor,

and they'll get you moving in a direction that they

want you to move in. So the Larry Vosasky on

the stand, it's definitely very interesting. But as I ruminated

on it last night and I let it marinate, I

had some more questions, right, like did he get a

profer agreement, Is he working with the government because he

doesn't want to be charged himself, or did they just

turn him as a witness. So it's going to be

very interesting to see all of the details, right, all

of the specifics as we move forward, And with something

like this a trial, a case with just so much information,

it's going to be very fluid. Things are going to

happen quickly, and things are going to happen on a

daily basis. Every single time that you have this jury

impaneled and the trial going on, you're going to have,

you know, significant things coming out of those sessions. So

getting right off to a jump with Larry Vassoski as

a witness number one, it just tells me that there's

going to be some more surprises coming down the old

shoot here. And I'm very curious to see who else

the government offers up as witnesses. And on the flip

side of that, I'm wondering who the defense is going

to pony up as a witness. Besides, they're paid for specialists.

Are they going to have anyone show up and you know,

Polish Glane Maxwell's reputation. Is anyone going to step into

that box and say, hey, look, Glan Maxwell's a good person.

She didn't do this and I think that she's innocent. Now,

I haven't heard that they're gonna have anybody up there

to do that, but you would think, right if you're

the defense, one thing you want to do is try

to establish that your client has, you know, as a

person of character is somebody who this is below and

somebody who would never engage in behavior like this. And

if your client is somebody like that, it stands to

reason that you'd be able to find a few people

that are willing to, you know, go on the record

and testify that she's a good person or that she's

somebody of upstanding character. So I'm interested to see what

sort of trick the Maxwell team pulls out of their

hat when it comes to establishing her as a credible

person or somebody who should be believed, because you know

that the prosecution is they're coming hard. Obviously, if Vasaski's

the first witness, you gotta think that there's gonna be

a litany of people trotting up to that box that

have damning statements about Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and

the way they were conducting themselves. And who better situated

than the guy that was flying them all around the world. Now,

last night I updated and I uploaded an episode about

the other pilot that was brought up at this trial.

David Rodgers, you might want to check that out as well.

But with Larry Vassoski taking the stand here, it's pretty

significant for those of us who have been following the

case especially. I was talking with some of my colleagues

who follow the case yesterday and it was pretty much

an animous consensus that, you know, this is probably going

to lead us to even more explosive witnesses hitting that stant.

So I'm very interested to see where things go today,

and I'm interested to see what sort of strategy the

defense is going to use when it comes to cross

examining Larry Vassoski. We can definitely expect more of ASASKI

today and you know, we'll see what comes of it.

But I think it's very very interesting that he was

the first witness, and I think it's going to be

interesting to see how it all breaks down from here.

So today, what we're going to do is we're going

to take a look at some of the headlines from

overnight and yeah, take a look at what's going on.

We have a headline over here from Slate and this

is an article that was published by Seth Stevenson. On

the headline, Glenn Maxwell's trial opens with her lawyer diving

straight into the muck and he goes into what's going

on like outside of the courthouse and all of that

jazz from the article. Outside the Thurgood Marshall Federal Courthouse

in Lower Manhattan this morning, the media throng assembled to

cover day one of the Glene Maxwell trial. Print reporters,

newsletter writers, podcasters, and television crews coalesced into the strangely

glamorous frenzy that seems to accompany the launch of every

high profile criminal proceeding. Now. The reason I bring this

headline up is I talk a lot about how it's

Carnival Barker City right now, and you're definitely seeing it

out in front of the courthouse. There are people of

all stripes showing up and making their voices heard, and

you know, you have a lot of misinformed people as well.

But one thing is very apparent to me, and it

is that there is a lot of anger on both

sides of the political fence, and it's not very often

that you see that. Now. Of course, there are the

yahoos that are using this as a political cudgel to

beat their political opponents over the head. And I'd be

very cautious of any of these pundits that are talking

about this case from either side of the conversation. I'd

be very cautious about what sort of rhetoric they're spinning

towards you, because this is much bigger than that. This

is so much bigger than Republican and Democrat, This is

so much bigger than left and right. You have to

understand that this was people at all levers of power

from both parties who were enabling this and facilitating this

for decades. To try and pin it on one party

or the other is a great disservice to those who

were actually abused by this scumbag. So while the circus

like atmosphere is to be expected, I think that it

is one of the most gross ways to go about

things when you're using this as a political cudgel. Now,

of course there's a political angle to it, right, Definitely.

A lot of the people involved had ties to politicians

or were politicians themselves. But it's very apparent when someone's

trying to harness this as a political weapon, and I

would just caution you to be very very aware of that.

He goes on to say, I've seen it before. It

always starts this way in mystery and frision, and it

always ends in the squalor. That's the reality of crime,

no matter the trial when it comes to a high

profile one, it's always going to have a cast of characters, right,

So I just it's one of those things where I

just I witness and I observe and shake my head.

You know, you have like like he says here, When

Michael Jackson's trial for child sexual abuse charges was getting underway,

the media revved up to cover the bizarre tale of

an eccentric global superstar, and then the trial began and

we met a dim, lonely drunk who liked to show

porno maags to little boys. So I guess what he's

trying to say here in this article is the perception

of what a trial is going to be and then

the reality of it are usually two very very different things,

and I think we'll see a lot of that in

this case as well. There are a lot of misinformed

people when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case, the

Glaine Maxwell trial and all of the players on the stage,

and hopefully when we're done here on the podcast, we

can try and clear a little bit of that up.

And my suggestion would be to all of you out

there who are new to this case, who have just

found the Glenn Maxwell trial or have just gotten interested

in this. I would suggest that you go on to

social media and you seek out some of the survivors

from this case and follow them on social media and

listen to them in their own words. That way, there's

no background noise, there's no middleman. And one thing that

these survivors did that was pretty much groundbreaking was they

skipped the legacy media and they went directly to social media,

to independent content creators and independent journalists to get the

story out. And once there was such a swell from

all of you people out there who have been following

this case, they were forced to act right. And it's

been pretty crazy to watch it all unfold because it

has been time and time again where not only were

these girls women victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and allegedly Maxwell,

but by our very own justice system, by the people

who were put in place to make sure that the

most vulnerable amongst us are protected. Those very people failed

these girls. And you heard it yesterday in the trial,

and it's something I've been punching home for a long time. Here.

They chose girls from broken homes, girls who come from

low income families, girls who don't have as many prospects

on the horizon, and they specifically search these kinds of

girls out, And that just makes it even more draconian

to me. As if it's not hard enough being broke,

being poor, coming from a broken home, now you have

this multi hundred million dollar predator and his co associate,

his underboss bringing you in to groom you and molest you.

And it's absolutely horrendous to think about. And the fact

that they preyed on the most vulnerable amongst us, it

just makes me so mad. I really dislike bullies, and

I really like people who punched down. I really dislike

people who punched down. And Jeffrey Epstein was all of that,

and Gleanne Maxwell, she went right along with it. She

was right there making decisions with them and helping him

facilitate all of this, according to multiple multiple survivors. He

goes on to say that he suspects that the trial

of Glenn Maxwell, who stands accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein

sexually abuse minors, will follow a similar similar arc to

those other trials, meaning you know, the whole entire circus atmosphere,

et cetera, et cetera. He says the media has REVVD

itself up to cover the story of a stylish, jet

setting socialite who broke fantastically bad. But over the coming

long courtroom days, chances are will hear less about how

she graduated from Oxford, speaks several languages and can pilot helicopters,

and more about how she allegedly took teenage girls on

Florida shopping mall excursions as a means of prepping them

form a less station. Yeah. Well, anyone who's showing up

here thinking that Glaine Maxwell is just some you know,

shrinking violet socialite, well you're in for a rude awakening,

because that is not the case. Glaine Maxwell is not that. Okay,

she knew exactly what she was getting into. Well educated lady,

comes from money, comes from power, and to think that

she was just along for the ride is absolutely ridiculous.

And you know, again, when we talk about the overall

atmosphere around this trial, oh there's going to be some wildness,

there's no doubt about it, and there's going to be

a ton of carnival barkers and a ton of disinformation agents.

But one thing that is going to be constant. One

thing that you can guarantee is the profile that's going

to be painted of Glenn Maxwell is going to be

less than flattering by the prosecution. And not only that,

but those assertions, well, they're going to be backed up

by evidence and the statements from the survivors themselves. So

it's going to be a very very interesting few weeks

to see which way Maxwell's team goes with all of this.

Now we already know that they're strat so far has

been to come out and blame the girls basically right

saying that you know, Maxwell was a just someone who

was around for Epstein's run. She didn't have anything to

do with it. And you know the girls are liars.

They're really above the age of consent. So you know

how it goes. This is the typical defense when you

see a case like this. You know, they try and

impune the reputation of the accusers. They try and set

them up as if they're money hungry or they're prostitutes

or whatever it may be. But it's the age that

they've been doing this forever. It's like when you're in

the NFL and you fire your coach and you think

it's a good idea to bring in Wade Wilson again, Bro,

why are you bringing in the same guy with the

same playbook? And that's what the Maxwell team is doing here.

And I've been pretty steadfast in my opinion that it's

not going to work out. You're not gonna paint Maxwell's escapegoat.

She's not a stand in for Epstein's crimes, none of that.

And I really hope that the prosecution punches at home now. Again,

not very confident in the prosecution in America. The prosecutors

in America. When they're going after high profile people. Oh sure,

when the federal authorities are going after you or me,

it's a home run for them, right slam dunk City.

But when they're going after their own friends, the other

members of so called elite society, terry usually turns out

a little bit different, doesn't it. But hopefully there's enough

interest and enough anger around this case that they can't

pull any of those nonsensical moves that they usually like

to pull. So I hope that the prosecution continues to

beat home the fact that Glen Maxwell was not a

passenger on this ship. She wasn't just somebody who was

stowing away. She was in fact piloting the ship. Sometimes

she was in the navigation room. She knew how the

engine worked, and she certainly most certainly knew what was

going on, and for her to set it up as

if she had no idea what was going on, you

know that she was just completely taken off guard by

what happened. Here is just an absolute ridiculous leap that

they're asking people to take, and I honestly doubt anyone's

going to be willing to take that leap. So there

you have it, folks for the morning. Now, trial's getting

ready or is back underway as we speak. It's six

am here in Las Vegas as this episode about to

be dropped, so we got a whole day ahead of us.

We're gonna keep an eye on things. I'm pretty much

locked into the studio watching the the live streams happen

with the updates, live updates, not phone or you know,

digital or anything like that. But there's a lot of

live threads on like Twitter from Inner City Press. Adam

Klasfeld has a real good live feed that he's been doing,

so I'll be following those all day and preparing to

come back tonight and do a wrap up show and

talk about what occurred. Throughout the day and the trial

and what if any surprises or curveballs or thrown our way.

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All right, everybody, I'll be back later on. Hope you

all have a great day. What's up everyone, and welcome

back to the Epstein Chronicles. Day four of the Gallaine

Maxwell trial is about to get underway, and I expect

another day of the defense trying to demean the credibility

of witnesses brought to the stand by the prosecution. They

have revealed their hand. They have shown us the way

that they're going to go about this, and it is

pretty much par for the course of what I expected.

When you look at Gallaine Maxwell's legal team throughout this

whole entire ordeal and how this strategy started to unfold,

it was very obvious that they were going to go

after a the memories of the accusers and B try

and demean their credibility. Leading up to this trial, all

of the motions and all of the different proceedings that

went on, we cataloged them here on the podcast and

talked about them as they were happening. So what I'm

going to do is I'm going to repost some of

those considering there are a ton of new listeners lately,

and I'm guessing that most of you are not familiar

with the whole catalog of my work, so I feel

like it's relevant to go back and take a look

at how we got here. So what I'm going to

do is later today, I'm going to post a few

episodes of the proceedings leading up to the actual trial,

some of the bail requests, some of the other complaints

that Maxwell had, and you'll start to see how the

strategy was coming into view. They were setting the groundwork

for it, basically, And last night, after I got done

recording the Evening Update, I went back and listened to

a few of those episodes, and it was apparent then

right that they were going to set up this strategy

to move forward this way, But it wasn't as glaring

as it is now that we have some hindsight to

look back with it on, because there is no way

that Glene Maxwell and her attorneys think that they're going

to be able to win this as far as on

evidence based court work, right. They know that the evidence

is piled against them. That's just a fact. All you

have to do is look at the circumstantial evidence that

we have seen so far. Now we've already had the

one accuser on the stand telling her story about the

abuse that she suffered at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein,

and unfortunately we're going to hear more of that. And

for a lot of people, it's shocking. A lot of

people really have no idea the scope of what went

on here. And I have received so many emails in

the last couple of days about this case. People were

so unaware and leading up to this, I called people

who weren't aware of this case the unsullied, meaning that

you had not been corroded with this disgustingness yet. But

once you get a little look at what Epstein was

up to, and you look at all of the different

levels of power that were being pulled by all the

different players on the stage, it's hard not to dive

headfirst into this story. And become addicted because there was

a great wrong done here, folks, a great wrong to

a great number of people. And the girls that have

come forward, the survivors who have come forward to steal

the narrative from the legacy media and bring it directly

to you, the people, they're just the tip of the iceberg,

because what happened here is so heinous and so overwhelmingly

disgusting that I have no idea how it hasn't been

the biggest story in the news for three years, and

I truly mean that it has all of the elements

of the things that want to make you vomit. And finally,

starting on Monday, we got to the trial portion of it,

and it's being bared for everybody to see an open court.

You know, it's one thing when you read an article

about what happened to these girls. It's one thing when

you know you hear a reporter or me talk about it.

It's a whole different story to hear it from their

mouths themselves, to hear it from the survivors themselves. And

that's why I have one of my biggest things throughout

this whole investigation for the last two and a half years,

that I've been doing here is so listen directly to

what the survivors have to say and not to any

of the other noise. I don't need a reporter to

tell me what happened. If the survivor is going to

tell me her story, right, I prefer to go directly

to the source and not play a game of telephone

if possible. And the survivors what they did was they

pulled an end around on the legacy media because the

legacy media was complicit in protecting Jeffrey Epstein. Now that

doesn't mean every reporter, right when I say the legacy media,

I'm talking about the big shots. So they pulled the

old end around, and that's how we got where we

are basically, if I'm being real, because if not, if

they waited for the legacy media to bring their story

to the people, to you, we would have been here forever.

And now that we're at the trial portion of it,

it's really disturbing to hear the actual situation that these

girls were in the stories right from their lips in

open court. It's heartbreaking and I don't know how anyone

can read the testimony or hear about what happened to

them and not just be mortified first and then absolutely

pissed off afterwards. There is no scenario where a guy

like Jeffrey Epstein and his partner in crime, Glene Maxwell,

should be able to conduct this sort of behavior for decades.

And it's it's crazy to me that this story hasn't

been the number one story for the past few years. Now,

obviously it's starting to make that turn. Right, you have

people coming out of the woodwork who are interested in

this story now, and I say, that's a good thing.

I have zero problem going over ground. We all already

covered to try and you know, catch people up, because

at the end of the day, that's the whole point, right,

get as many people aware of what's going on as

possible so that we can work together to force our

politicians or those in power to change things and to

hold people accountable because we know they're not going to

do it on their own right. They're gonna need a

little nudge from us. And until something becomes this heinous

and this in their face, they usually don't make a move.

But once in a while they're embarrassed meeting the federal

government's embarrassed so much by they're inaction they're forced to

take action. And we saw it with R. Kelly. How

long did it take to bring him to heal? Wasn't

there accusations of him urinating on some little girl back

in the day that just got swept under the rug? Right,

got a lot of power, a lot of money, you

can make that happen. How long was Keith Rainiery able

to run around with his Nexium cult and brand women?

But once this stuff gets out there, and once the population,

the people you hear about it, it becomes a whole

different ballgame, and then all of a sudden, the authorities,

well now they want to act. And frankly, I'm pretty

tired of it. I've seen the pattern now for three years.

It's the same story inside of a story, and it's

just happens over and over and over again on repeat

until recently, anyway, saw R. Kelly go to prison, perfect,

Keith Rainiery prison perfect. Now just waiting on Glen Maxwell

to get her taste as well. And like R. Kelly,

like Keith Rayniery, she's getting a trial. She's going to

be able to sit in front of a jury of

her peers, and that's something that her victims alleged victims.

They didn't have that ability right. They didn't get to

choose if they wanted to be abused by Epstein and Maxwell.

They didn't get to plead their case before they were abused.

But Maxwell, she's getting her trial, she's getting treated as

fairly as any other prisoner. To dispel the myths and

the rumors about her unfair treatment in jail, that's a

bunch of bs. People like her always in solitary confinement.

It's called the shoe. They put them in special housing.

That way they're not abused and beat up by the

other inmates. And that's when you're not famous and you're

a pedophile. When you're rich and famous and you've touched children,

forget it, you have a green light put on you

right away. And her legal team throughout this whole entire

fiasco has been very adamant that her being in solitary

confinement has been akin to some sort of brutal punishment

that you would have only found in the Middle Ages,

when in reality it's nothing like that. But you see,

that was her strategy the whole way through folks loopholes

and technicalities. Loopholes and technicalities, and when you have the

kind of money that Glene Maxwell has, it's easy to

litigate people into oblivion. So we saw that throughout the

years as well, just the specter of their power keeping

people in line. But yesterday the testimony of Jane was

backed up by Matt. And my assessment of that is

if I was on the jury, which I am not,

and obviously I can't project because I don't know what

the jury is thinking, but if I was on the jury,

I personally would take Matt's account very seriously. He has

nothing to gain by backing up Jane's account here. There's

nothing on the table for him. In fact, he's doing

this at great risk of his own, you know, a

well being for those of you who are not aware.

You know, the remnants of Jeffrey Epstein's criminal enterprise nowhere

near as powerful as when Epstein was alive and kicking

and they were getting up protected from on high. But

these are still very powerful people with a lot of money,

and a lot of people are not willing to speak

out against them. So Matt coming forward yesterday on the

stand and speaking out against Glane in defense of what

Jane said and corroborating what she said, I think it's

going to go a long way with the jury. I

think it's going to be a relatively big deal, and

I think that the jury is looking at this case

and obviously looking at all of the facts, and when

you do, it's rather obvious that Maxwell and Epstein were

certainly up to no good. And the more of these

witnesses that we see come up on the stand, and

the more of them that go into the details of

what occurred, the more heinous it's going to become, and

the more difficult it's going to become for Team Maxwell

to spin their way out of it. And remember that

was only the first testimony of the first witness. There

are three more accusers that are gonna get on that stand,

and I'm sure there's going to be some other surprises

for us that we don't know about. So after day three,

I mean, look, Maxwell's lawyer, Meninger, was very shrewd yesterday

and her line of questioning was very targeted. They stayed

on the path that they have laid out for themselves

and they didn't deviate, and she asked some pretty brutal

questions that were cringe worthy in my opinion. Now, I

get it, it's her job, right, She's a lawyer. She

has to, you know, try and defend her client. But

it made me feel dirty listening to it. I can't

even imagine being a lawyer and defending people like this.

I get it. Look, everybody deserves a lawyer in the

United States of America, no matter how scummy you are. Right,

that's just the way it goes. Because once we start

taking rules away for some, that means the rules for

all of us. It could be in jeopardy. So everybody

deserves a lawyer, right now, That's about as far as

it goes for me. Once you get that lawyer, then great,

then you know everything is as it should be. And

I hope your fate is sealed after that. And usually

when you have a heinous crime, it doesn't matter how

good the lawyer is, as long as the evidence holds up.

And I think that's what we're looking at here, folks.

I think that when all is said and done, we're

going to see the evidence hold up, we're going to

see the testimony hold up, and we're going to see

the real, disgusting, true face of Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey

Epstein completely revealed. You know, it's crazy to me to

think that there's people out there that still are in

the mentality that this is a money grab. This isn't

your typical he said, She said case, there is no

gray area here for me anyway. And again, I might

be cynical. I've spent a lot of time digging into

this story, and I'm not a journalist, right, I'm regular

guy like most of you out there. I just happened

to have a bigger mouth. But when I started digging

into this story and looking at all of the evidence

and all of the facts, it was just almost impossible

for me to believe that this did not occur, that

these girls were not abused. And the mindset that it's

all about money, that it's all about money all the time,

is just gross to me. What if this was your sister,

or your mom, or your aunt or someone you loved,

would you say, oh, it's all just about the money.

Then we got to remember that these are real people,

not just names on a page or somebody being called

out in the media. These are real people who have

real emotions and feelings, who have suffered greatly at the

hands of Jeffrey Epstein and his criminal enterprise. And for

them to come back and read live this all again

on the stand and going through all of this again,

it's a big deal, and it just shines a light

on their courage once again. I've never seen a group

of more courageous people. And that's not hyperbole. The abuse

that these ladies have to suffer, you know, is just

out of control. And I don't mean just at the

hands of Epstein and Maxwell, the complete assaults on their

character for years and years and years at least until recently.

And how many times do you hear oh prostitute, this

prostitute that breaking news. Children can't be prostitutes. Okay, they

can't consent, so how can a child be a prostitute?

But now in open court, these accusers, they have their

chance to look Alane Maxwell in the eye and say

to her what you did to me ruin my life,

and I'm here to make sure you get a little

taste of justice. And obviously it's not what we all want.

It's not far enough, right, it's not far enough. Anyone

who sits here and says that up just getting Maxwell

that's enough, Well, they don't know what they're talking about. Now,

it's a step in the right direction. I'm not going

to sit here and downplay the fact that Maxwell's sitting

in a jail cell or Jean Luke Brunell is sitting

in a jail cell in France. It's a big deal.

When I first started covering this case, none of these

people were suffering any of the consequences. They all had

their positions of power that were all still running around

running companies, and now most of the key participants that's

not the case. But it still does not go far enough.

I don't want to rock the boat, folks, I want

to destroy this MF. Enough is enough with people like this.

The way that they abuse the most vulnerable in society

is just on another level wrong. It's not bad enough

that these people ruin lives on a regular basis with

their decision making, but now they have to give cover

to their buddies who are running trafficking rings as well.

And frankly, for myself, and I only speak for myself,

I have had a belly full of all of it,

a belly full of all the lying, all the bsing,

and certainly I've had enough of people like Epstein and

Maxwell being able to just do whatever they want and

granted carte blanche when they do it. I've never been

somebody who called for vigilante justice. Not my thing. I'm

somebody who wants the criminal system reformed. I want violent,

I mean nonviolent offenders to have a real chance at rehabilitation.

And I honestly agree with Maxwell about how screwed up

the jails are. But that said, I don't have empathy

for her because now that she's in that position, she

has to deal with it. Where were you when Khalif

Browder was in Rikers Island? Where were you when insert

poor person's name here was suffering at the hands of

the state. So typical for a rich person like Maxwell

until it's her issue, right till she's the one walking

in the shoes it Does you really think that she

ever thought about prison reform while she's eating her caviat

and running around with Epstein grooming children. I'm sure that's

what she was thinking about criminal reform. But that's another

one of her lines, another one of her things that

she's been pumping while she's been in jail, when in reality,

we all know the score, we all know the scoop,

the absolute assault that we have seen on the survivors

by Maxwell and her people. We saw just continued and

picked up in the courtroom. Now today we're going to

be starting off the proceedings with the witness from interlock In,

the executive us vs In or whatever his name was,

So they'll finish off with him as the first witness,

and then we'll move on to the rest of the

witness list. I'm not really too sure who else they're

going to call today. I was looking around earlier last

night and this morning, and I couldn't find a list

of witnesses. So we'll have to play it by ear

But in the studio, I'm ready to go. I got

the computer locked in, I got the TV monitor on

the wall connected to the other computer to watch the

h the actual proceedings as they're happening, as far as

the transcript's coming out from Inner City Press and Adam

Klasfeld and a few others. Make sure you're following all

of these people on Twitter if you're looking to catch

this stuff as it's happening. Now. I get it, a

lot of people don't like Twitter. I am a lot

of people not a big fan. I don't really comment

too much on there, you know. I I'm on here

on the podcast with you folks like for an hour

and a half a day. What more can I possibly

say on Twitter in one hundred and forty characters? Right, So,

if you're into twittering or tweeting or whatever the hell

you kids call it these days, I definitely suggest following

Adam Klassfeld and Inner City Press. Kate Bricklett from The

Daily Beast has done fantastic work here, Yeah, and there

are several other outlets where you can get some good

quality as it's happening news out of that courtroom. So tonight,

like usual, for the evening roundup, we'll go through all

of the witnesses again, We'll go through all of the testimony,

and I'll break it down and give you my opinion

on what occurred. Because it's a long windy road, isn't it, folks.

And if we weren't getting these transcripts out by people

like the guys over at Inner City Press or Adam Klassfeld,

we have to rely on a recap basically from the media,

And I for one am glad that we do not

have to rely on that, that we have actual people

in there just giving it to us as it's coming out.

And that's the way I prefer it, right, I prefer

raw data, and in this instance, raw testimony. I don't

need anybody to spice it up for me and make

it digestible. So that's what we'll be doing tonight. And

like I said, I'm gonna upload a few episodes about

how we got here, some of the proceedings that have

taken place obviously in the past, some of the other

courtroom procedures, and obviously I'll be uploading some more context

episodes as well. I have a catalog of over like

sixteen hundred episodes, so as things pop up in this trial,

I'm gonna try and add those episodes as we go

along to add more context to the conversation. So we'll see, folks,

and I'm here for it. We'll definitely keep our eye

on what's going on today all day like usual. And

this is going to be the process for the next

five weeks or so. Now, remember the first week of January,

I'll actually be in New York covering this case for

the verdict. Now, I plan on staying in New York.

I don't know however long it takes to get the verdict,

hopefully no longer than a couple of weeks. It's freezing

in New York this time of year, but I'll be

there for the verdict and my plan is to actually

be in the courtroom on those days. So what I

will do those days that I'm in New York, I

will take my own notes, and when the proceedings end

and I get back to my hotel room, we'll get

right into it and I'll give you my breakdown on

what I saw in the court, what I felt from

the witness statements, because you can only get so much

from reading it right. It's a different ballgame when you're

actually there and you see facial expressions and stuff like that.

So I'm looking forward to actually being on the ground

to bring you, folks, the story right from the fully courthouse.

So with that said, we're gonna wrap it up for

this morning. We're about fourteen minutes from the trial starting,

so I'll let everybody get their last cup of coffee

in and then slide on over to Twitter so that

they can follow it live or head into work and

wait for later on and me to break it all down.

Either way, folks, I really appreciate you all joining me,

all of the new listeners that have found their way

to this podcast. Thank you for riding with me. I

appreciate it, and hopefully you know we all have our

seat belts buckled because this is gonna be one bumpy

ass ride, folks, but guess what we're here for it.

So I hope all of you have a great morning,

and I will be back later on tonight, right around

the same time as usual to get the recap from

the day's proceedings. If you'd like to contact me, you

can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com.

That's b O B B y C A p U

C C I at ProtonMail dot com. You can also

find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore cap Ucci. You

can also find the links that we discussed, which are

none in this episode, but you can usually find those

in the description box. All right, everybody, Like I said,

I'll be back later on. I hope that all of

you have a great day. What's up everyone, and welcome

back to the Epstein Chronicles. So we are entering day

five of the Gallaine Maxwell trial, and today we can expect,

at least at the start for Juanna Lessi to take

the stand and receive a bit of a cross examination

from Glaine Maxwell's lawyers. Yesterday, the trial wrapped up about

thirteen minutes early because the defense didn't want to dive

in with only thirteen minutes left, so they chose to

begin their cross today instead. So that's how the trial

should open up today. Lessie back on the stand and

Glenn Maxwell's lawyers hammering away, trying to punch the holes

in his story. Now, I would guess that they're going

to lock onto the fact that Juanna Lessi clipped sixty

three hundred bucks from Jeffrey Epstein to try and hammer

home the fact to the jury that this man is unreliable,

he's a thief, and he shouldn't be trusted. And that

is definitely the kind of strategy you would expect, right

because the testimony he's giving certainly does not look good

for their client. So if they can muck that up

a little bit and maybe throw a little bit of

doubt on his character and attempt to impune who he is,

then it will make it a lot easier for them

to have the jury believing that the testimony he gave

was bs. So that's going to be the battle today

with the first witness, and I'm very interested to see

how it all shakes out because, as we've seen in

the last few days since the trial has started, at

the very least, Team Maxwell has been going scorched earth,

and I would expect them to do the same here

with Juana Lessi. But the testimony he gave yesterday, you know,

it really corroborates a lot of things we've heard in

the past. We've heard about the double sided dildos, the

cleaning up that he had to do, We've heard that

story before. We've also heard, I mean a huge amount

of stories from Virginia about the same kind of deal,

the two sided dildo, the massages being brought to the

massage room, and what it does, it adds more meat

to the bone, right, more context, and it corroborates a

lot of those things that we had heard being reported

in the news. Now, those of us who have followed

the case, we know that all of this stuff is

what really happened, right, But when it comes out here

in a courtroom setting, well, there's no disputing it anymore.

And for Virginia moving forward, this can only bode well

for her. In my opinion. It just shows that she's

been truthful throughout this whole entire thing, that her recollection

of what occurred is bang on and for with her

civil case starting January fourth, with the Joe exotic of

the Windsor family, Prince Andrew, this is definitely some wind

in the sails in my opinion, because Alessi was there

for all of it, and him recounting these things during

this testimony, it just strengthens what we already have heard

from Virginia. So I thought that that was a pretty

interesting situation to unfold from yesterday's testimony as well. Now

on the flip side of that, like I said yesterday,

I don't look at Wuana Lessie as a good guy

in this either. In fact, I don't really believe that

there are too many good people at all when it

comes to Jeffrey Epstein, and that goes for the people

who are investigating him as well. Unfortunately. But Wuanna Lessi,

he had a chance to stop this. How many times

could he have went to the authorities. How many times

have he could have, you know, maybe helped one of

these girls, but he didn't. So I'm certainly not going

to sit here and act like Juanna Lessie is, you know,

some hero in this story who came riding in on

his horse in his white shining armor to help get

some justice, because I have a sneaking suspicion that he

didn't do it of his own volition, pretty sure that

he was probably pressured by the authorities. Now again, I

don't have any evidence of that directly, right, And I can't,

you know, point you to an article and say, hey, look,

here's exactly where it is. But it would make sense,

and especially considering that Alessi was somebody who basically admits

that they were a co conspirator by picking these girls up.

And so what you mean to tell me, mister Alessi,

is that you would pick these girls up, you would

bring them back to the house, they'd do the massage

air quotes, you'd go in there, clean it up, find

dildo's and stuff, and you didn't have any idea what

was going on? Talk about not having any kind of

like the stand on with that argument, right, How could you?

What did you think was going on? So Wanna Lessi

is not somebody who I look at in this story

and say, ah, yeah, this is one of the few

people who are good guys here, one of the few

people who really cared. Because it doesn't seem like that's

the case. Now. With that said, I'm glad that he's

testifying at least better late than never, right, But they're

going to attempt to really cut him off at the

legs today. They're going to go after his his theft

of that sixty three hundred dollars. They're going to ask him,

I'm sure, some of the same questions that I just asked,

why were you taking part in this? If you thought

that this was wrong? All of that stuff, And they're

gonna look to really break him down and shatter whatever

credibility he has. Now, are they going to be able

to do that? I don't really know, but I don't

think so when it comes to these kinds of allegations.

If it was just mister Alessie making these allegations, I

could definitely see how Maxwell's legal team would be able

to just cut that off at the pass. But it's

not that. Alessie is just one of many witnesses that

is being brought forward to paint the picture of the

situation going on within Epstein's circle and how Glaiinne Maxwell

was a huge part of that. In fact, in the

testimony yesterday, he said that Glaine Maxwell came in and

she became quote unquote the lady of the house, so

she was making all of the decisions. Nobody was making

those decisions for her. And it goes to show you

again that Maxwell was in a leadership role. She was

the one making these decision about what occurred in this house.

She was the one setting up all of these different

air quotes, massages, and according to the survivors, she was

also the one participating in the abuse sometimes. So while

we're dealing with a whole host of disgusting human beings,

and that's pretty much everybody we're going to hear about

in the Jeffrey Epstein trial, I mean the Glenn Maxwell trial.

Pretty much everything where everybody we hear about is going

to be a scumbag. And the idea is going to

be to try and figure out which one of these

scumbags is really telling the truth. So that's going to

be the task for the jury and for the prosecutors

and the defense to hammer out. But so far, we

haven't seen anything from Maxwell as far as evidence. And

I don't mean in this trial, right, we have a

long way to go. I'm talking about leading up to this,

there was no big push about her innocence, or anybody

coming forward saying well, hey, look, Gleanne Maxwell, this is

real out of character for her, she would never do this. Instead,

we had girl after girl come forward and talk about

how Maxwell was integral in their abuse. We have person

after person come forward and talk about how Gleanne Maxwell

was just a scummy human being, how she talked about minorities,

how she talked about poor people, how she looked at

people who weren't part of her social circles as less then.

And you could see it in her behavior, the way

that she treated these girls as if they were chattel,

as if they were playthings, as if they weren't human

beings with hopes, dreams, and aspirations. That's the true face

of Glenne Maxwell. That's the face that's been exposed to

to me for the past two and a half years.

And I can't even imagine how long the survivors have

been seeing that ugly mug in their face, I mean,

in their mind's eye. Because what happened here, folks, is

one of the biggest miscarriages of justice perhaps ever. And

all of these people, all of these scummy individuals surrounding

the lane, Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, people like this, a

Lessie character, Chef Adam Lang, all of these people that

were around and then have the audacity to talk about,

oh well, I didn't see anything. It's just it's just

crazy to me. So now when you get them finally

on the stand, someone like Alessie, and you have them

under oath, it's nice to see what they have to say,

because under normal circumstances, I don't really trust what any

of these people say. How can you. The whole entire

enterprise of Jeffrey Epstein's was absolutely draconian, and all of

these people who took part, all of these people who

facilitated it in some way, they all need to go

to prison. Maxwell, however, she had a leadership role. She

was in a position where she was giving orders to

other people so that this whole entire thing could keep

moving forward. That's what's been alleged. So when you look

at the levels of scumbaggery, Juanna Lessi's certainly on the chart, right,

but not as scummy as Glene Maxwell, not in my

opinion anyway. So I'm very interested to see what else

is coming today as far as testimony from Alessi. Now

they're going to attempt to have him go back on

what he said yesterday. They're gonna try and trip them up,

and you have to expect that the Glen Maxwell strategy

will hold here and it'll be all guns blazing, a

visceration and try and nuke them from the sky kind

of shit, because remember, like I've said, since she's been arrested,

it's never going to be about the information in the courtroom, right.

That was never their goal. Their goal was to always

beat this on a game of loopholes and technicalities, and

when that ended, it became scorched earth, burn the whole

entire world down. If we have to to get Glane

Maxwell off, and that's what they're gonna do. The question

is are people going to be receptive to it, meaning

the jurors, And if the previous few human trafficking cases

that involved big time people have set a precedent, then

this strategy is not going to work. This strategy is

going to fall on its face. So we'll see a

little bit more today which way they're going, But it's

gonna be very interesting how it all unfolds and what

other witnesses are brought up to the stand today. Again,

I looked around to try and find some of the

other witnesses. I wasn't able to find out who else

will be testifying today, So obviously tonight when we do

our evening roundup, will have all of that. But also

I wanted to touch on how Glene Maxwell yesterday and

throughout the proceedings, I guess has been sketching the court

artist as the court artist has been sketching her. How

creepy is that? Imagine being this court artist and you're

sitting there, You're getting your sketch on, and as you're

doing it, Glenn Maxwell staring at you, doing a sketch

of you. The hell is wrong with this lady? Pay

attention to the trial. No more scribbling. You don't need

to draw any stick figures. Okay, pay attention to what's

going on here at the trial, Miss Maxwell? Who the

hell sits there and sketches the sketch artist. I thought

that was a pretty interesting little tidbit from one of

the headlines I was reading today, and it made me

pause for a second. You would think you have more

important things to worry about. If you're Glen Maxwell at

this point, you're looking at eighty years of prison you're

being called the human trafficker, child abuser, Jeffrey Epstein's co conspirator,

and you're worried about drawing a sketch of the sketch artist.

I would think that you'd be locked into the case.

I know I would be. I wouldn't want to miss

a damn thing, never mind draw and sketches of people.

So the sketch artist. She went on to say that

she has had this happen to her before, and she

said that it was during one of these previous trials

that she had somebody sketching her while she was doing

the sketching the parvest trial. And then her comment was,

I guess I look more interesting since the lockouts and

since COVID, which I thought was a pretty funny statement

by her. So I guess it's not something that has

never happened to her before. But I would think that

somebody like Maxwell, who is basically fighting for their lives

would have bigger fish to fry, if you will. One

other thing I wanted to touch on before we wrap

up this morning is the fact that Glenn Maxwell's supposed husband,

Scott Borgerson, hasn't been seen anywhere near this trial, so

once again, it leads us back to the original question,

were they even married? What was going on with Scott

Borgerson and Glaane Maxwell. Obviously there was some sort of

romantic connection there according to reports, but were they really married,

why were their finances tied up the way they were,

and what did Scott Borgerson gain from any of this?

It's been a question that I've been wondering for the

past few days. And also if he was going to

end up making an appearance at this trial at all,

and it certainly doesn't seem like like he's going to.

And there's also been reports that he has moved on

from Kallaianne Maxwell. So that whole entire, sordid affair between

Maxwell and Borgerson, which was an absolute abomination from day one,

considering Borgerson left his wife and two kids for Gallainne Maxwell.

Imagine that Thanksgiving conversation on the rebound on the boomerang, So, Mom,

we were over at Dad's hanging out with Gallan Maxwell

choke on five pieces of turkey. I mean, really, what

sort of maniac leaves his wife for Gallen Maxwell? First

of all, Second of all, have you ever seen a

bigger shit show than this whole entire ordeal. Oh, it's

her husband. Her family doesn't know anything about it, but

all of a sudden, it's her husband. Huh. So I

would love to be a roach in the rushes and

to hear that whole entire origin story how that all

came about. And again, I'm interested to see if this

dude shows up at all to this trial, but it's

kind of looking like he's not going to and more

than likely that whole entire relationship of theirs was some

kind of sham. I can't really put my finger on

it yet what was going going on. I don't have

enough information about the whole entire deal, but there's always

been something goofy about the Borgerson and Glainne Maxwell relationship.

I'm gonna post a couple of episodes later on. One of

them will be about Scott Borgerson and Gallainne Maxwell, and

uh yeah, it's just one of those things, one of

those questions that I've had for the last few days,

wondering if this guy was gonna show up to this

trial at all, because leading up to this, during the

proceedings for Bell, Scott Borgerson was, you know, big time involved.

So I'm wondering what stopped that, and obviously that's probably

one of those loose ends that we'll never get to

tie up. But one of those questions that certainly is

at the forefront of my mind. Not that it's a

huge deal right as far as the specifics of the case,

but just one of those unanswered loose and that I

keep wondering about. So we'll have to see if he

shows up, we'll see what occurs. We got a long

way to go in this trial, folks, a long way

to go, and today, obviously day five, Friday, we'll get

our wrap up episode in as soon as the proceedings end.

We'll do the evening update, and then on Saturday and

Sunday you can expect just some context episodes. I'll upload

some more stuff to kind of give you an idea

of the overall picture of what we're dealing with here,

and a few more episodes about whoever we might hear

about today in the testimony. Like I said, I have

like sixteen hundred episodes that I've been that I've put

out over the last three years. So there's pretty much

nobody in this case that they're going to touch on

that I haven't done a deep dive into so as

the names pop up, I'll add those episodes for a

little more context for those of you who have just

found the case or are looking for more information and

more than just a scratch of the surface. So that's

what you can be on the lookout for this weekend,

and then obviously Monday, right back at it. So that's

gonna wrap it up this morning, folks. We are about, oh,

I don't know, twenty four minutes away from the trial starting,

so that should give you folks some time to listen

to the episode and then prepare yourselves for the trial.

All right, everybody, if you'd like to contact me, you

can do that at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com.

That's Bobby cap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You

can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore cap

you Cci. All right, everybody. I will be back later

on after the proceedings wrap up today with the evening update.

Hope that all of you have a great day.