Mega Edition: A Look Back At The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial (Part 2) (7/14/26)

This episode takes a flashback look at some of the biggest moments from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, revisiting the testimony, courtroom exchanges, and key developments that stood out as the case unfolded. Rather than retelling the entire trial from beginning to end, the episode returns to selected highlights that captured the weight of the proceedings and helped shape the public’s understanding of Maxwell’s role in Jeffrey Epstein’s operation.

From powerful witness testimony to pivotal moments involving the prosecution and defense, these clips offer a snapshot of one of the most closely watched trials connected to the Epstein scandal. The episode is a look back at the moments that defined the courtroom drama, exposed important details, and ultimately contributed to Maxwell’s conviction.


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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

Hope that everybody had a great weekend out there, got

yourselves nice and recharged and prepared for the week to come. Now,

last week, we heard some pretty explosive testimony from Juana Lessi,

Jeffrey Epstein's at ex butler slash housekeeper. We also heard

testimony from a couple of the police officers who were

involved in the first raid of Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach

house in two thousand and five. We heard from one

of the accusers, one of the survivors themselves, and we

also heard from several other people. Now this next week,

I expect it to be more of the same. I

would hope though, that the prosecution swings a very big

hammer in this upcoming week, because I have to be

honest with you, folks, I am not too confident in

the prosecution. I am not too confident in the federal government.

And the more the case moves forward, and the more

we see the pattern of the defense just absolutely hammering

every witness that's brought up by the prosecution, I would

hope that the prosecution has a few big swings of

their own coming up because I didn't see much of that.

In week one, I saw, you know, some pretty devastating

testimony being given by Jane and the specialists as far

as the police officers who were involved in the first

rad they offered some nice context. But I've never been

a fan of Juana Lessi's and I think that he

is a pretty weak witness. Now, he does establish that

these girls, or at least some of these girls were

at the property, were there with Maxwell. He did establish

some of that stuff right and build a bit of

a foundation, but it was also broad to light that

he stole money from Epstein, tried to steal a gun

from Epstein, all kinds of other things that you know,

the defense is going to latch onto. Now, with that said,

no witness is perfect, right, You're not going to have

a perfect witness who comes up there and gives the

perfect testimony, and a lot of times when someone does,

that's a bit concerning too, right, because you're wondering, is

this stage did they fake this? Did they come up

with this as part of some sort of scam or plot?

So I just think that the defense is using a

scorched earth policy right now, and I can't really blame them. Honestly,

they don't really have any other way to go. But

I still find it to be gross and disgusting. Now,

not so much when they're hamming bring people like a Lessie,

by the way, want a Lessi's fair game up on

that stand, and he should get absolutely hammered by both sides.

And that goes for every single one of these witnesses.

I think that when you have a survivor up there, however,

perhaps the absolute destruction of their character is not the

right way to go. And again, this is just somebody

who is observing this right. I'm not a lawyer. I

you know, I took a criminal justice one oh one

in college and decided very quickly that that wasn't the

pathway for me. So again, I'm certainly not a lawyer.

I'm not a journalist. I just curate this news and

comment on it. But you know, you would think that

the defense is going to continue on this path, and

it's going to be up to the prosecution to bite

down on their mouthpiece and really come out swinging, because

they're going to have to push the ball here. They're

going to have to really set the tone. And I

hope that as we move forward and into this week,

they're going to bring some more witnesses up to the

stand that are going to do just that because they're

building the foundation. I could see the way the prosecution's going, right.

We can all see how they're building these blocks to

continue their argument to frame it as Maxwell not only

was Epstein's buddy, but that she also had a leadership

role here and took part in abusing these girls. So

I could see what they're doing. I can see how

they're trying to build this case, but I don't think

that they're going hard enough. Like I've said a million

times before, this should be a Rico case. There's not

even a doubt about it in my mind. And that

was just reaffirmed to me over the weekend when I

was talking to one of my friends from high school

who is a lawyer, and him and I were having

a pretty detailed conversation about Rico in general and talking

about this case specifically, and he said the same thing

that he has just it blows him away that this

is not a Rico case. It has all of the

hallmarks everything you look for. And if he was a prosecutor,

he said that he would have for sure pursued this

as a RICO case. But for some reason, I'll leave

that up to you all to decide. Everybody has their

own opinion as to why. But for some reason they

decided that RICO wasn't necessary here. It was necessary for r. Kelly,

it was necessary for Keith Rainiery and Alison Mack, but

it's not necessary for Jeffrey Epstein, Gallaine Maxwell and their

criminal enterprise. So I'll let everybody else, you know, figure

out why, or you know, come up with their own

inclusions as to why. But for me, it's rather obvious,

right they're making sure that all of this dirty laundry

does not get aired. This is as dirty of the

laundry as they want out there. They understand very very

very much so that it looks so bad for the

federal government what went on here. It looks so bad

for the United States government how they conducted themselves here,

that if the doors were really blown off of this thing,

and it was really investigated with a financial angle, that

it would be impossible for them to keep the lid

on it, and it would really expose the whole entire

financial system as the joke that it is, as the

scam that it is, and really, honestly, it is rigged

against all of us. Now, I know a lot of

you out there sitting there saying, what are you talking about.

I have a great credit, I've never had any issues

with the bank. I don't mean your local branch, Okay,

I don't mean on a one on one basis. I'm

talking about the big picture. Who do you think is

funding all of these jerk off politicians? Who do you

think is making the needle move? Certainly not me or you.

You think your one hundred dollars donation, your thousand dollars

donation to your favorite politician really means anything in the

long term, doesn't These people in the financial sector, all

of Jeffrey Epstein's buddies like Jess Staley and Leon Black

and the rest of the people at JP Morgan and

Deutsche Bank, all of these people that were facilitating Epstein's

money moves. All of these people who are facilitating the

money moves of ola garks and scumbag criminals around the world,

they do it with impunity, folks. There's never any backlash

for them. You know how the boomerang's supposed to come

back around and you catch them. It doesn't because they

have a bunch of money, because they have a bunch

of friends, and instead of them being held liable as

far as criminal, they end up just paying huge, gigantic

fines and moving on with their lives and continuing to

do what they do. So when we're looking at this trial, right,

I'm not one of the people that's going to sit

here and say, ah, this is horrible. This is because

it's a good thing at the very least to have

Maxwell on trial, right, I'm not going to downplay that.

But the fact of the matter is it does not

go far enough. And that's not me just saying it, right.

That is what the survivors themselves are saying. That's what

people who have been following the case from the jumper saying.

And if you want real justice and you want to

really bring people to heal, people to be held responsible

for their behavior with Jeffrey Epstein, the one pathway towards

doing that, to make sure everybody involved is caught up

is through the financial back door. But they won't do it,

and they've already said this has nothing to do with

the finances of Jeffrey Epstein. Meanwhile, Darren Endyke and Richard Kahn,

who are in charge of the estate. Mind you, had

their fingerprints over the whole entire operation. So I get

it when people look at this case, they look at

the overall picture and say it's a joke, because really,

there's never been any justice administered here. And now you

look at this Galaine Maxwell trial, not as much transparency

as there should be. No call in number unless you're

one of the few people that are in that room

in the courtroom, you really don't know the actual scoop

unless you're getting it served to you. And I don't

like that. I don't like having to rely on other

people to tell me what's going on. I am not

a fan of it, and it's one of the main

reasons I started looking into this case in the first place.

I'm tired of being lied to point blank, period, and

I know most of you out there feel the same way. Now,

that doesn't mean people are always going to get it right,

doesn't mean I'm always going to get it right. But

the outright lying to people is absolute bullshit and it

has to end. So people are tired of it. Right.

People don't want to be BSD anymore. People want the

real story, and unfortunately the real story is still not

being told here, the full story to its maximum capacity.

And you have all of these people who have all

of a sudden got a huge interest in this case.

Well you know what that really means is they feel

like they can make some money on this case. So

now everybody is an expert. Everybody's an expert, and everybody

has all of these ideas and all of these great, great,

great theories about what occurred. And meanwhile, in reality, they

had their chance. The federal government had their chance not

only when Epstein was hemmed up the second time, but

throughout this whole entire or deal with Maxwell. They could

have fired off so many more indictments and had so

many more people wrapped up in this. Now, can you

imagine how explosive this trial would be if there was

a financial aspect to it and we had people like Wexner,

Leon Black, Glenn Dubin and the rest of them taking

the stand. Now, that, my friends, would be the sort

of justice I'm interested in. Right, all of these people

who have been engaging in these crimes, facilitating Epstein's crimes,

helping Maxwell out for all of these years to get

brought before a judge and a jury of their peers. Now,

obviously that's about as much fantasy land as Game of

Thrones in our current environment. But that would be the

ultimate goal, right if we were really going to get justice,

full justice, that's what it would be. But they're not

interested in that unfortunately, So we're going to get what

we get here. And all I can hope is that

Maxwell ends up going to prison, And unless the prosecution

picks up some steam here and starts going harder in

the paint, I'm questioning if that's even going to happen

at this point. Now. I've always been of the mind

that there is a mountain of evidence here, Mount Everest High,

and that you would have to be legitimately either one

of the worst prosecutors of all time or throwing the

case on purpose to not get a conviction here. And

I'll tell you it's starting to look like one or

the other, because I'm not very confident in Maureen Calemy.

I've said that from Jump Street. I don't really care

for her as a prosecutor. I don't know her as

a person, so I can't, you know, make a you know,

a statement one way or the other about her personal

character or anything like that. But I will tell you this,

I am not confident in her as an attorney or

a prosecutor. And the fact that she's also prosecuting Nicholas

TARTAGLIONI is a head scratcher to me. Now, Alison Moe,

for the most part, has done a pretty good job.

She has been a pretty solid prosecutor throughout this whole

entire thing. But even with her and Pomerants, I'm not

super confident in the prosecution. I've told you, folks from

day one, how I feel about the SDN WHY, and

how I feel about the way that they have conducted

themselves in the past ten years or so. Certainly not

something that inspires confidence. It's not the same SDN why

that put the mafia out of business, certainly not. In fact,

I would even go out on a lemon and say

that they're more interested in going after their political opponents

than they are in going after Jeffrey Epstein or his friends,

considering how long this occurred right under their noses in

the middle of Manhattan. So they can talk about how

they're interested in this and how the SDNY is, you know,

on the case, and this that the other thing. But

I don't have confidence in the SDNY, and obviously, folks,

like everything else we talk about here, we're talking about

my opinion, and for me, it's just when you look

at the overall picture, the way that things have went

with the SDNY, with some of their investigations as of late,

and the way that they deploy their resources, I don't

know how anyone can have confidence in them. So it's

going to be very interesting to see how the prosecution

molds their strategy moving forward. And obviously a lot of

it's going to come down to and rely on the

testimony from the survivors themselves, because they're going to have

the most impactful testimony, right their testimony is going to

weigh the most as far as the court is concerned.

At least in my opinion, I would think that if

I was sitting on the jury, the most impactful statements

to me would be from the actual people who were

abused or molested or whatever it may be. Now, again,

I've never sat on a jury for something like this,

so it might be completely different. But I have a

hard time believing that if the prosecution frames it all

correctly and gets the right information out there, that Maxwell

can get off here. Now, her defense team is working

overtime to set it up as Maxwell is not only

being given a bad shake as far as her trial

and stuff, but her living conditions. And recently a little

while ago, again they're talking about how she's not getting

enough food, enough, this, enough that, and filing briefs with

the court to that tune. And they're going to continue

to do that. They're going to continue to pester, they're

going to continue to poke, they're going to continue to prod.

And what they're trying to do is set up the

appearance that Maxwell has gone a bad shake the whole

entire time here, she hasn't been treated fairly and that

if she wasn't a rich socialite, that she would have

been treated differently. And to that, I say, have you

ever heard the story of Khalif Browder. I posted a

two part article about Khalif Browder and what he went

through at Riker's Island, And when you look at that

side by side to what Glene Maxwell is saying that

she's going through the punishment she's being dealt, it's laughable

at best. And it's Oh, I've always found it gross

that Maxwell would try and put herself into a category

as somebody who's oppressed. She's never been oppressed in her

whole life. In fact, I would even argue that she's

been the oppressor her whole life. And now that she's

getting a little taste of prison, of jail like the

rest of us would if we were in her position,

she doesn't like it. And now all of a sudden

it's time for jail, it's time for things to change. Well,

guess what, Glenn Maxwell, Things are going to change, hopefully

in our jail system at some point, but you're not

going to be the catalyst for that. Your complaints and

your nonsense isn't going to be what moves the needle,

all right, So enjoy the blowney sandwiches. Now. Today, I

would expect that we see more from the witness that

was on the stand last on Friday. He was only

on the stand for a little while, so I would

guess that he's going to come back on and speak

a little bit more about the first raid of Epstein's place,

and you know, the sex toys, the massage table and

all of that jazz. But beyond that, I'm not sure

who the witnesses are going to be today. I'm not

haven't seen any witness list. I've looked, and I've looked

in the mornings for all of the day so far

and haven't been able to see that. So I'm guessing

they're just holding it real close to their vests and

we won't know until the witnesses are brought up in

front of the judge and the jury. So that's where

we're at this morning, folks, as the trials just getting

underway right now, about ten minutes ago. Obviously, I'll be

around all day doing the same thing that I did

last week. I'll go through and try and curate as

much of the notes as I can from the day's

proceedings and I'll put them into a digestible form for

us for later on tonight, and we'll take a look

at what went on throughout the day. Hopefully we'll be

able to get some more details out of that courtroom.

And I think that's the most important part, right what

goes on in the courtroom. Now, Obviously we can only

get what we can get. There's not a full transcript

coming out, not full transparency, and there's certainly not a

call in line like there should be. So we're kind

of at the mercy of those who were in the

courtroom firing off these reports, and for the most part,

a lot of these folks are doing a really good job.

So I'll continue to do that, curate them from several

different sources. If you want to follow along live on Twitter,

Inner City Press is a good source, so is Adam Klassfeld.

And uh yeah, so if you're looking to follow along live,

you could do that. If not, obviously, I'll have it

all ready to go later on tonight, curated and put

into a digestible form so that we can see what

occurred and you folks can get on with your day.

All right, everybody, that's gonna wrap it up for this morning,

and obviously we'll see what happens. But I'm looking at

the same schedule as usual, few context episodes and then

tonight we'll do our wrap up. All right, folks, that's

gonna do it. If you'd like to contact me, you

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Underscore cap Ucci. All Right, everybody, I'll be back later

on and I hope that all of you have a

great day. What's up everyone, and welcome back to the

Epstein Chronicles. Day seven of the Gallaine Maxwell trial just

wrapped up a little while ago and witnessed Carolyn who

went into a incredibly disturbing account of what happened to

her at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein. She took

the brunt of the questioning today. She was on the

stand for most of the day and there were some

pretty testing moments during the exchanges. As usual, Gallaine Maxwell's

legal team have kept up their full full court press

and looked to destroy the credibility of each and every

witness that gets on the stand. Now, obviously we're going

to get to all of that, but there was also

a pretty shocking revelation that came at the end of

the day to day, and that was the prosecution saying

that they're going to be prepared to wrap their case

up by this week. Now, remember this is supposed to

be a five to six week trial according to the

court and the prosecutors. Now all of a sudden, all

of a sudden, today we're looking at it only being

two weeks. As far as the prosecution goes, you would

think that they'd have more up their sleeve. And it

just goes right to the point that I've been trying

to make forever, to be honest with you, that I

have no confidence that the federal government of the United

States has any interest in really bringing people who were

involved in this to justice. They're throwing a little red

meat here, right, folks, you know, in the interest of appearances,

will pursue this a little bit. But in reality, if

they really wanted to go after these people, if they

really wanted to make sure that this all stuck, then

this would have been a rico case. But now they're

using this smaller scope the ten year period, and it

certainly looks like the prosecution, at least from where I'm sitting,

is not doing that great of a job. Now. The

witness testimony has been pretty damning, There's no doubt about it.

When you listen to these girls recount what occurred to

the occurred to them at the hands of Maxwell and

Epstein and their cohorts, it's distressing as hell. But there

is so much more here that the prosecutions just leaving

in the toolbox. And again it goes back to the

original strategy. Why is it that only these four girls

are being brought up as witnesses. We know that this

is the same exact thing that occurred the first time around.

When they impaneled the Grand Jerry down in Palm Beach,

they only brought one girl up to testify in front

of the grand jury. And what did they do? They

destroyed her credibility because she talked to some boys on

MySpace at the time, and she drank and smoked some weeds,

So all of a sudden, her testimony is not credible.

And now fast forward to twenty twenty one, and we

see the same thing happening. Now where's all the outrage?

You know? You see all of these people who want

to march and go crazy and act the fool whenever

they can move the political football. But for something like this,

you would think that people would be up in arms.

So where is all of the solidarity with Jeffrey Epstein's survivors?

I would like to see that same kind of energy

put out there. But one thing I have learned in

the past, oh, I don't know, two and a half

three years of covering this case and investigating this case,

is that nobody, perhaps ever, when it comes to stuff

like this, has been forgotten more than these girls. It

has been an absolute travesty from start to finish. And now,

just when you think that there's a chance for some

of this stuff to come to light, just when you

think there's a chance that the doors might get blown

off of this thing, prosecution talks about resting their case.

So that caught me really off guard, honestly, and I

don't know what to think about it. So we'll have

to see a little bit more what comes out in

the overnight hours and into the morning about their strategy here.

But I don't understand how they can even begin to

think about resting their case. So we'll have to see

what their strategy is. But as usual, I am not

very confident at all, especially considering all of the circumstances

surrounding all of it. I told you folks from Jump

Street that I'm not confident in Maureen Comy. Why is

Maureen Comy who is also prosecuting Nicholas TARTAGLIONI Why is

she in charge of this case as well? So there's

just a lot of things that never made sense to me.

They still don't make sense to me, and I unfortunately

I figured and knew that even after this trial there

would still be way too many questions and not enough

answers because this trial and the scope of this trial

was never large enough. Now, I honestly don't know if

or when we'll ever see any justice at this point, folks.

And that's just the truth of the matter as far

as I can see it. It's a bit discouraging to

hear that the prosecution is ready to close their case now.

Maybe they think they've done enough to get a conviction already.

And like I said, the testimony was pretty damning. But

with all of the evidence that's available, all of the

stuff that's been out there, all of the stuff that

we have heard from these survivors about Maxwell and her behavior,

you would think that they'd really try and ram the

point home. You would think that they would bring a

parade of girls to come out and testify, even if

their testimony doesn't have to do with the actual charges.

Wouldn't that be showing that this is the kind of

person Maxwell is, kind of like character witnesses saw with

Harvey Weinstein in a few instances. So it's very disheartening

to think that the prosecution is going to be done here.

But I guess we'll have to wait and see right,

we'll have to see what comes of this, and we'll

have to see what the next couple of days bring,

at the very least, because I'm hearing that they're talking

about being done on Thursday, resting their case on Thursday,

so one can only imagine what is on deck for tomorrow.

Before we get to that, however, why don't we discuss

what went down today inside of that courtroom and take

a look at some of the proceedings that were underway

in day seven of the Glenn Maxwell trial. So the

trial kicks off pretty much the same way as the

other six day has the other the other six days have,

with the prosecutors and the defense arguing before the jury

even comes in. This time over Jane, the witness who

testified previously and what she told her boyfriend and when

she told him it. Judge Nathan decides that if the

prosecution wants to call him to testify, then they'll have

to call him after lunch. After that there was another

sealed sidebar and then the jury comes out to get started,

So they never ended up bringing this other witness that

they were talking about bringing out to talk today to

put under oath and give their statement. So nothing came

of that anyway. Maureen Comy handling things right now as

far as the first portion of the case today, and

they continue on with the FBI agent from yesterday and

and evidence is once again provided. The agent was asked

directly to identify the people in the pictures, and the

agent identifies the people in the pictures as Jeffrey Epstein

and Glenn Maxwell. These photos are relevant because they were

found on CDs from the twenty nineteen raid of Epstein's

and they weren't protected by the NPA from two thousand

and five, by the way. And some of these CDs

were found in that safe that you know, we've talked

about several times from the raid at Epstein's house when

he was arrested the second time around. They found a

bunch of stuff in that safe, diamonds, they found money,

fake Saudi Arabian passport, all sorts of things. And Epstein

was known to have some cash on hand so he

can make, you know, payoffs to his cohorts or for

his air quotes, massages, stuff like that. But these CDs

were found in twenty nineteen and the photos that were

put into evidence were showing Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell in

these photos. Next, the evidence that's put into the court

is sealed and prosecution they give the jurors instructions on

where to find that in their binders the sealed file portion,

so pictures are shown of Epstein and Maxwell hugging and

then otherwise close poses the ones that aren't sealed, and

after a short cross examination, the defense was done. So

that wrapped it up for the FBI agent who finished

off yesterday and started off today. It was about some

of the evidence that was procured in the first of

the second raid of Epstein in twenty nineteen. So this

was an FBI agent who was involved in that, who

was involved in handling the evidence, and this was somebody

who was putting the pieces together to show the connections

obviously between Maxwell and Epstein. Now, the next witness that

they call up onto the stand is Stephen Flatley, an

instructor from Quantico, which is the headquarters of the FBI,

and he's in charge of one of their digital departments

reconstructing hard drives and stuff like that. Comy goes on

to ask Flatley about one of the hard drives that

was registered to g Max and then referred to an

email address from Mindstring, MindSpring excuse me, that was Maxwell's

Comy goes on to ask about an email that discussed John,

which is interesting because remember Glenn Maxwell used to call

Juan Juana Lessi John, And when you look at the

things that she was talking about in this email, it

was obvious that she was talking about Juanna Lessi considering

what his duties were as far as being Epstein's butler

slash housekeeper. So again shows the ties right, shows the connections.

She goes on to talk about several things that John

did poorly in this email, including a pool deck being

dirty and there being no pens. She also went on

to complain about massage creams that were left in disarray

in Epstein's bathroom. So we know that Wuanna Lessi has

already testified about the bathroom, the sex toys, the massage oils,

and that stuff. So now we see an email from

Glene Maxwell herself from the gmax account talking about this

very thing, basically corroborating Whatjuanna Lessi said previously. So this

gentleman from Quantico went through the whole entire spiel about

you know, the computers, blah blah blah blah blah and

then we're back to sealing items. So now Exhibit number

four eighteen is offered up, but it's offered up under seal,

and that's pretty much it for the prosecution as far

as with this witness. The instructor from Quantico, now Laura

Mettinger for the defense, begins her cross by asking several

questions about computer files and if he, the FBI agent,

can say for sure if anything was changed or not

during copying, and he admits that he can't. Right, he

didn't have possession of this computer all the time. He

doesn't know what happened to it at all the time.

So what they're trying to do here is established that

there could have been somebody who could have messed with

some files. Not a very strong defense, not a very

strong strategy in my opinion, but that certainly looks to

be what they're trying is set up. They were also

talking about locations and if they could determine where Maxwell

was with the emails, but with it being emails from

a desktop computer, it would make geolocation a moot point,

so there wasn't anything that they could gleam from that.

And with that, that's it for this witness as well,

Menager releases this witness and the early morning of the

proceedings is wrapped up. Now, like I said, the majority

of this was Carolyn, who is testifying under her first name,

and somebody who was allegedly abused by Maxwell and Depstein.

So Carolyn next up on the stand and the prosecution

starts out asking some questions about her background, such as

how long she went to school for and she responds

that she dropped out school was done for her in

seventh grade. She also goes on to discuss how her

mother was an alcoholic. Now, remember, these are exactly the

kind of situations that Maxwell and Epstein thrived upon that

they were always looking for. They were looking for somebody

from a broken home or in a situation where they

needed financial help or other help. And they can swoop

in and offer that help, but only if you played

their game right, only if you came back to the

house for the massages, and only if you brought other girls,

and nothing was given for free. And we know that

it was their complete and utter m o. How many

of these girls were from disadvantaged backgrounds, How many of

them came from parents who had drug addiction or parents

who had money problems working two jobs. And the sad

reality is, folks, those are the people that are always

prayed upon. They're the most vulnerable amongst us, and that

is exactly where Jeffrey Epstein and Gallainne Maxwell liked to

focus their attention. When she was asked how old she

was when she was first introduced to Epstein, she replied

that she was fourteen and that someone named Sean introduced them. Originally,

she says, she told Sean she was seventeen, but he

found out her real age at her birthday party. Now

think about that, she tells his duty seventeen, then at

the birthday party finds out she's fourteen. I mean, really, bro,

you're still hanging out with her? Really? She goes on

to tell the court that it was this relationship with

Sean that led to her meeting Virginia Roberts. According to Carolyn,

she was introduced to Epstein to give him massages so

she could make some money. Now, there was a whole

thing where Gallainne Maxwell's legal team was throwing Virginia's name

around in this and we're going to get to that

a little a little bit further down here. But it

was quite transparent what they were trying to do. They

were trying to set it up as if Virginia Roberts

was a human trafficker and not Gallaine Maxwell, when in

reality it was Gallainne Maxwell, according to all these reports

at the top of the food chain here giving the

orders for this to occur, normalizing all of this, grooming

all of them. She goes on to say, you know,

she was had no education, She's from a broken home.

She was in need of cash, and that's why she

went to give Epstein thoseges. Right, three hundred bucks is

a lot of money when you have nothing, and to

be able to get it multiple times a week. Carolyn

goes on to tell the court about meeting Golaine for

the first time and how she couldn't pronounce Maxwell's name,

so she just called her by her last name. She

said that Maxwell had shoulder length black hair and an accent.

Carolyn said that Maxwell took off her clothes and Carolyn

left on her bra and underwear, she says. Carolyn then

tells the court that after forty five minutes of giving

Epstein a massage, he turned over he Epstein and him

and Virginia started to have sex. So we know from

Virginia's depositions, and we know from Virginia's reports that it

several different accounts of it being a group type of

thing where Epstein was sexually abusing her in a group

environment and using that to normalize the process for the

other victims. It was just an absolutely draconian method that

this man had, and he used these young girls to

bring other young girls into his web. And what he

would try and do is give himself a bit of

a buffer zone. Right. Oh well, I wasn't paying them

for sex, I you know, I was paying them to

come over and give me a massage. And then he'd

have several layers between himself and the actual payment, just

like a criminal mob boss. So again I ask you,

how is it that Rico is not being used here?

Prosecution then asked Carolyn Carolyn about payment and how much

he would receive, and she said she received three hundred dollars.

She wasn't sure how much Virginia was given. She also

stated that Maxwell asked her for her phone number. So

after this first time, obviously Jeffrey Epstein was pleased and

wanted to have Carolyn come back for more air quotes, massages,

and unfortunately that's exactly what happened. Carolyn, when asked about

how many times she went to Epstein's, says that she

went more than one hundred times, at least two or

three times a week, from the time she was fourteen

until she was eighteen. She tells the court when asked

why she went to Epstein's, that three hundred dollars was

a lot of money to a young girl. This is

something that we have discussed a lot, and again, it

is one of the easiest ways for these people with

gigantic amounts of financial resources a huge influence to groom

these girls who come from nothing, and it's a process

that is very, very, very effective. Unfortunately. She recounts how

when Maxwell would call, she would ask Carolyn if she'd

be able to see them if they flew in. They

also asked her about traveling and if she could go

overseas with them. She says she told them that her

mother would never allow it. When she was asked if

Maxwell newer age, Carolyn responds, she did know. So let's

frame that Maxwell's calling this fourteen year old girl to

try and get her to go overseas on trips. For

what possible reason could you want to bring this fourteen

year old girl on your trips with you overseas. It

is debased and absolutely disgusting. The assistant US Attorney Pomerance continues,

Did Maxwell touch you? She asks? To this, Carolyn responds

with yes. When asked where on the body she was touched,

she says her breasts. She says that Maxwell told her

she had a great body for Epstein and his friends.

And his friends huh, very interesting. Again, how is it

that the prosecution is even talking about resting this case.

None of Jeffrey Epstein's friends are gonna get caught up here,

nobody else? What about the co conspirators? Sarah Sarah Vickers,

Sarah Kelln Vickers is gonna is gonna skate here. It's gross,

It's really gross, and it just again shows you that

the justice system is completely broken, folks. It doesn't matter

who's in office, it doesn't matter which tribe is in

office and telling you, you know, whatever sweet lies they

feel like handing out. The fact of the matter is,

nothing ever changes, and the most vulnerable amongst us, meaning

all of us, basically compared to these people, continue to

get absolutely squashed. Also, if it was just a massage,

why would Maxwell even comment on her by body type? Right?

Why would it matter what her body type is if

she's getting a massage, It shouldn't matter one way or

the other. If she's big, small, anything in between, as

long as she can give a good massage. Right. But again,

this is a fourteen year old girl who was obviously

not brought over there for massages. She also details how

Epstein would ask her questions about her upbringing, again trying

to set those claws in right now, this was a

big one by prosecution in my opinion. They asked Carolyn

about payment and if Maxwell ever paid her. Carolyn stated

that Maxwell handed her three one hundred dollars bills, So

that establishes that Maxwell was paying her for these quote

unquote massages, and it also shows culpability, right, shows that

she was a conspirator, a co conspirator. She knew that

these girls were being abused, according to their accounts, and

not only did she stand by and do nothing partake

in some cases, but she was also the one paying

the girls the money in some accounts. So again it

establishes big time that Glen Maxwell was a pivotal player

in this whole entire thing. Carolyn continued to talk about

Epstein and how he sent her gifts like concert tickets, lingerie,

probably Victoria's Secret, and a massage for Dummies book. Now

we heard about the Massage for Dummies book at least

a copy of it before from one of the previous raids,

So this must have been a book that they were

sending out all the time to try and get these

little girls hip to how to give a proper massage. Again,

it creeps me out, even saying that these people have

all the money in the world. Why in the hell

would these clowns be trying to get massages from these

young little girls if it wasn't for the purposes of

assaulting them. No other excuse, no other reason is logical

or makes sense. You don't bring a fourteen year old

girl over with no massage therapy experience to work the

kinks out. Carolyn was also asked by the prosecution if

she ever brought other friends to Epstein's form massages, and

she says she brought three Amanda el who was a

year older than her, and then Tatum and Julie, who

were younger. She says she made six hundred and the

others made three hundred. So that was another stick of

Epstein's in Maxwell's and that's why some people call it

a sexual Ponzi scheme, right, a sexual assault Ponzi scheme.

He would get these one girl involved in his abuse

and then he would set her out by giving her

money to bring other girls in. And at the same time,

the process was normalized because the original girl who was

groomed and brought into the circle is telling these other girls, how, oh,

this is just normal. You want to make a few

hundred bucks, you just got to give them a massage.

So these other girls come in and they think this

is normal behavior, and you see how it all works, right,

and it's disgusting. And in Palm Beach, we're talking dozens

and dozens and dozens of allegations like this. In what

was probably a preemptive move considering the prosecution knew that

the defense was going to try and punch holes in Carolyn.

They uh talk about her drug addiction and what she

spent the money on, and she said she spent her

money on drugs. She also talks about giving birth and

when asked if she went back to Epstein, she says

she did and even went while she was pregnant. So again,

it just show it shows you the absolute hooks that

these people put in to these young girls. And we're

not talking about, you know, any gray area here. Okay,

this was a fourteen year old girl when she first

came into Epstein's sphere. There's no excuse for it, there's

no defense for it. The prosecution also asked her about

jail time she did over pawning a video game console,

and she says she did time, but then she went

to drug treatment and therapy and she is currently on

medication to help her with her drug addictions. One of

those drugs is methadone, so obviously she had an opiate

opiate addiction, and this is very common, folks, for people

who suffer this kind of trauma. You're trying to run

from it, trying to hide from it, trying to get

away from yourself. So what's the easiest way to do that, right, drugs.

So you'll see a lot of these girls who have

unfortunately been caught up with Maxwell and Epstein and people

like them, turned to drugs. And it's just a whole

bad scene that follows it asking about the Xbox issue

and the father of her child, Sean she says that

she has not been in touch with him since her arrest.

She has also asked if she works or has ever

worked for an escort service, to which she answers. Sometimes,

when asked what Maxwell did to her, she tells the

court she took pictures of her naked and of course

the other stuff with Epstein, and the prosecution presses the

issue and asks who decided who you would sue, to

which the defense objects. Judge Nathan sustains their objection, So

again setting it up because they know the prosecute, I mean,

the defense is gonna come hard after her character, so

they wanted it to get it out there in open

court that she A had a drug problem, B did time,

and see worked as an escort after all of this occurred.

But that really doesn't matter in the long run, does it?

Or in the big picture? The trauma that she suffered

at fourteen years old obviously led her down this road.

So how can you begin to assail her and assault

her for her life choices and for the things that

have happened after she was abused by Jeffrey Epstein and

allegedly Maxwell. It is ridiculous. Now, of course, it's the

place of the defense to try and do that. But

I really hope that the Jerry's paying attention to what's

going on here. So that's the end of it for

the prosecution with Carolyn, and they hand her over to

the defense for the cross examine, I mean for the yeah,

the defense for cross exam. The defense asks if Sean

was a friend of Virginia Roberts' boyfriend Tony, and if

they smoke pot and drank booze together. Carolyn answered that

they didn't drink booze, so obviously Sean Antonia were friends

and they smoked pot, just like I don't know everybody

you know at this point. I mean, really, who doesn't

smoke pot? And to act like smoking pot or drinking

booze or anything like that makes you not credible when

it comes to something like being assaulted is just banana's

land for me. I can't wrap my head around anything

like that. And if I was ever on a jerry

and somebody tried to infer that, I would definitely be

thinking that they don't have much else to go on, right,

I'm gonna need some evidence. She was asked if it

was Virginia who told her that she could make three

hundred dollars, and she answered, no. What Pagliuca is doing

here is he's trying to attempt to set the tone

that Virginia was the trafficker, not Maxwell. And he asked

if Maxwell was there when she was approached about making

five hundred dollars, and Carolyn says, no, Maxwell was not there,

it was just her in Virginia. Again, Maxwell states a

name in court that they shouldn't, this time using Carolyn's

last name. So it's become a pattern now, right almost

to the point where you have to ask yourself, are

they attempting to dox these witnesses because they shouldn't be

mentioning their names. Okay, they shouldn't be mentioning last names.

If these girls are testifying anonymously, then that's the way

it should be kept. But the scumbaggery that's being shown

here by Maxwell's lawyers, it's you get what you pay for.

Right when you're paying for this kind of money, these

guys are going and ladies are going to push the envelope,

and that's exactly what they're doing. So after all of

that nonsense, and Glenn Mack expells lawyers once again, acting

the full Judge Nathan calls for a lunch break. After

they're done with the lunch break, the cross examination begins

in Earnest, and the defense begins by asking her about

the FBI notes from her twenty seventeen interview. Now, it's

interesting because the two thousand the interviews that you have

with the FBI, those aren't, you know, the word of law, right,

they're not. The FBI isn't taking those notes word for word.

Those are notes. So I don't think that the defense

bringing that up is going to help them in the

long run here. I think it's kind of a moot

point and kind of a spinning of their wheels tactic. Now,

I know, I said I'm not confident really in the

federal government, but I haven't seen much from Glenn Maxwell

as far as evidence proving that she's innocent here either.

So it is going to be very interesting, the defense says.

The FBI notes say that the woman had an unknown accent,

and to this, Carolyn disagrees. She says that she told

them that the woman had an accent. Pagliuca continues that

she knew what a British accent was, but she said unknown,

And once again he was implying that she's a liar.

Asking about the second time that she went to Epstein's house,

he says, so, for the second visit, you sat in

the kitchen and spoke with the chef. Now, I'm guessing

the timeframe lines up here and that that chef was

Adam Perry Lang. So it definitely looks like that is

the case as far as the timelines are concerned. But

that wasn't mentioned in court or anything like that. Carolyn

responds that she isn't sure if that was her second

visit or if it was some time after that, And

at this point, the defense calls for the court to

show the witness what she said in two thousand and seven.

So again back to the FBI notes, which would signal

to me that they don't have much else to go

on here, right. So it's one of those interesting situations

where I'm certainly not confident in what we have seen

as far as the prosecution's performance. But at the same time,

I haven't seen a defense here that would get Maxwell off,

at least in my opinion. Carolyn tells the defense that

the FBI didn't ask her about Maxwell. Pagliuca presses by

asking her if she is saying, the FBI put a

gag on what she could say, and she responds again

that she wasn't asked about Maxwell. And to this, the

defense responds by stating that she told the FBI about

Sarah Kellen Vickers or just Sarah and the Incubus tickets

from Epstein, and then Carolyn said that she responds yes

to this, So he is asking her about the whole

entire gag here on what she could or couldn't say,

and she says that there was no gag and that

when they pressed about the email with Maxwell about Sarah

Kelln Vickers, that it was factual that she did get

these Incubis tickets from Epstein. So again it's more gifts, right,

and what the defense is trying to do here is

point out that it was Sarah Kelln Vickers and that

it was Jeffrey Epstein. It was everybody but Glenn Maxwell.

That's what the defense is trying to point out right here.

The defense also probes Carolyn about her move from Florida

to Georgia, and they asked her about the lawsuits that

she filed. Carolyn cuts them off and asks what they

have to do about what those have to do with

her moving to Georgia. Again, it's one of those things

where if you're a witness on the stand, you have

to get frustrated right when you're getting peppered by the

defense here like this, So she is being absolutely hammered.

He's talking about why she moved from Georgia to Florida,

and he is basically saying that it was because she

had to go get clean, and she says that the

reason she was leaving is to escape from the trauma.

So right after this again, Maxwell calls for another break,

the afternoon break at this point, coming back from the

return and now Maureen call me asks how long the

defense expects this cross examination to go on for and

there's no response to the question. So the defense starts

right in again and they questioned Carolyn, and this time

asking her if she ever remembered using drugs when she

was thirteen. Carolyn says that if you consider pot a drug,

then yes. So again you see it, folks, And it's

the story right of the defense. Their job is to

try and continue to destroy the credibility, and it seems

to me anyway that all they have to go on

as far as credibility issues to destroy is the fact

that this girl might have smoked some pot, or she

might have hung out with some boys or something like that.

It's ridiculous. The defense then tries to leave the witness,

stating that she went to Georgia to get clean, but

Carolyn says that that wasn't the reason. She said as

she went there to escape her past trauma. And the

witness was asked if she was doing cocaine when she

was at Epstein's house and she responded no to that.

The defense then refers to previous lawsuits and reads, did

you have sexual intercourse with mister Epstein? Defense reads the

answer no. Carolyn speaks up during this and replies that

she wasn't a willing participant. So they were reading from

those the documents, right, the three zero two's that the

FBI provided, and the defense reads it, did you have

sexual intercourse with mister Epstein and then the answer that

Carolyn provided no. Now in the middle of this, she

stops the defense attorney and she says that she wasn't

a willing participant. That's why she said she didn't have

sexual intercourse with Epstein, because she didn't. She was raped

by him, so it was an intercourse, she goes on

to say that Maxwell, that Glene Maxwell fondled me and

broke my soul. And at this point the defense moves

to get the comments struck from the record, and Judge Nathan,

after advising the witness to follow the rules, orders the

jury to disregard that comment. She is had enough, right

and you could tell by at least just by the

notes that we had coming out, because remember, folks, this

is just an accumulation of different courtroom tweets and notes

that are coming out as the trial's going on. But

you could tell that she had had enough during this

cross examination. And there were several times here where she

went off off of the playbook and said stuff like

that Glaine Maxwell fondled me and broke my soul. Can

you imagine what this girl went through in her life. Again,

the defense is probing about money received from the compensation

fund and Carolyn again goes off of the script and

she says that no amount of money can heal her.

And as she's saying this, she's cut off by the defense,

who once again moved to strike the witness comment from

the record, and once again Judge Nathan agrees. She orders

the jury to disregard the comment, and she again instructs

the witness to follow the rules. Carolyn's crying now, and

the defense asks if she claimed to have seen a

picture of Maxwell pregnant, and she responds she did nude

and pregnant, and she goes to continue her response, but

the defense cuts her off at this point, stating that

they have no further questions. With a few minutes left,

Marine Comy asks if Caroline Carolyn is here to get money,

and she responds, no, she is here because what Maxwell

did is wrong. Again, the defense objects, the state ends

it they have no further questions for the witness, but

Pagliuca is not finished yet. He asked her about the

money she received in two thousand and nine, but the

money was gone by twenty twelve, and this was four

hundred and forty six thousand dollars. He asked her what

happened to it? She says she doesn't know, she has

kids to take care of. The defense with their ham

handed approach, continues, you can't recall how you spent four

hundred and forty six thousand dollars. You lost all of it.

No further questions, and with that the folks day number

seven comes to a close in the Gallain Maxwell trial.

They're sure is a lot to unpack today, And I'm

sure as the day goes on and we get more

information about the prosecution resting their case as soon as

this week, then maybe we'll have more clarity. But as

of right now, I don't even know what to say

about the prosecution preparing to rest its case now. As

far as the testimony given today, I thought that it

was pretty powerful testimony. It certainly sets the foundational blocks

we've been talking about, and it continues to connect the dots.

So we'll see what tomorrow morning brings. But one thing

I can tell you is it's going to be interesting.

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