You Are Being MILKED: The Dark Secret of the HUMAN Farm

Ever feel like the world is literally draining the life out of you?

Well, it might not just be your 9-to-5. In this mind-bending episode, we deconstruct Richard Sauder’s explosive interview on WatchMojo Unveiled, where he reveals the chilling reality of a satanic power structure pulling the strings from underground military bases (DUMBs).

We’re diving deep into the concept of loosh energy—a spiritual commodity harvested from human suffering by non-human entities. Sauder, a researcher with 'skin in the game,' connects the dots between nuclear installations, secret technologies, and his own shamanic visions.

Why is there a $21 trillion black budget? What did the mysterious 'Bone Lady' show him about our future? And most importantly, how do we survive the 2026 Great Awakening?

Key Revelations:

• Loosh Harvesting: Are your emotions being 'milked' by invisible predators?
• The Nuclear Iceberg: Why weapons are just the visible tip of demonic tech.
• The 2026 Choice: Why the global systemic collapse is a forced spiritual test.
• Underground Secrets: The truth about the tunnels beneath Washington DC.

Speaker 1: Imagine, imagine for just a second the sensory world.

Speaker 2: Of an aphid.

Speaker 1: Yeah, an a fit. You know, you're this tiny, biologically

simple little creature, and your whole entire conscious experience is

just what it's limited to the waxy surface of one

single vibrant green lead.

Speaker 2: Right, just a very very small.

Speaker 1: World, exactly. You spend your days just drinking the sweet

sap flowing under your feet, You feel the sun on

your back, and you think, you know, in whatever rudimentary

way a bug things, you think, this is it. This

is the absolute entirety of the universe.

Speaker 2: Ignorant is bliss, I guess completely.

Speaker 1: You are blissfully, entirely unaware that you are, in fact livestock.

Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, I take a turn right.

Speaker 1: You don't realize that the larger insects crawling around you,

the ants, they aren't just passing by. They are actively farming.

Speaker 2: You, because ants actually do that, right, They farm apods,

they really do.

Speaker 1: They protect you from ladybugs. They herd you into these

optimal feeding spots, and then they systematically stroke your aptomen

to milk you. They literally milk you for the sweet

honey do you produce.

Speaker 2: It's a wild biological fact.

Speaker 1: It is now hold on to that super unsettling image

of being just completely oblivious to your own exploitation. Take

that image, zoom out from the garden and scale it

up to the size of the entire cosmos.

Speaker 2: Okay, I see where we're going with this.

Speaker 1: Yeah, what if the ants were invisible, unfathomably powerful cosmic forces.

And what if the nectar they were so carefully harvesting

from you wasn't a physical substance but your actual, raw

emotional energy.

Speaker 2: It is a genuinely terrifying thought experiment, isn't it. It really is,

because when you start playing with the parameters that analogy,

it just completely fractures your standard perspective on the human condition,

totally shatters it. I mean, it takes the deeply personal,

totally mundane struggles of daily life, like our grief are

sudden joys or persistent anxieties, and it reframes them not

as random psychological events, but as well the primary agricultural

yield of an industrial scale cosmic harvest.

Speaker 1: Welcome to Thrilling Threads today. Our mission is to embark

on an intensely in depth exploration of an extraordinary, sprawling

and frankly, deeply controversial worldview, very controversial. Yeah. It's put

forward by a researcher and activist named Richard Sowder. And

you know, we are looking at a paradigm that attempts

to connect the dots between anti nuclear activism, heavily guarded

underground military bases, indigenous shamanic visions, literal demonic entities, and

global politics and a massive cosmic spiritual war over the

human soul.

Speaker 2: And before we take even one step further into this material,

it is absolutely crucial that we set some very clear

boundaries for you, the listener.

Speaker 1: Yeah, this is important, very important.

Speaker 2: The source material we are examining today contains incredibly intense,

highly polarizing, and explicitly politically charged.

Speaker 1: Claims, just say the least right.

Speaker 2: Soder levels severe accusations at the structural integrity of the

US government, the military industrial complex, and global financial elites.

Speaker 1: He goes after everyone, he really does.

Speaker 2: Yeah. He also specifically targets past and present presidents, including

highly charged claims regarding figures like Donald Trump, and he

frames them within a literal, demonic and criminal context.

Speaker 1: Which is heavy.

Speaker 2: It's incredibly heavy. So we need to state for the

record unequivocally that we are strictly the messengers.

Speaker 1: Here, just the messengers exactly.

Speaker 2: We are mapping out the architecture of Sawder's radical belief system.

Just understand how all these disparate pieces fit together in

his mind. We do not endorse these political claims. We

are not validating these structural accusations, and we are certainly

not taking sides on his views of geopolitics or any politicians.

Right right, But if we are going to understand the sheer,

overwhelming scale of the reality he believes we are trapped in,

we have to look at the unvarnished picture he paints.

Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because we are essentially acting as

neutral cartographers mapping a very extreme, very voluble territory here.

Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.

Speaker 1: Because to understand how a human being arrives at the

conclusion that planet Earth is essentially a cosmic dairy farm,

you can't just start with his political theories.

Speaker 2: No, you have to go back to the beginning.

Speaker 1: You have to look at the foundational trauma or revelation

depending on how you view it, that fundamentally rewired his brain.

Speaker 2: And for Richard Sowder, that rewiring didn't happen by reading

a subversive book in a university library or getting radicalized

at a protest, Not at all.

Speaker 1: It happened in nineteen fifty eight in Tidewater.

Speaker 2: Virginia, when he was just a kid.

Speaker 1: Right now. Sowder currently lives in Ecuador. He left the

United States in twenty ten to pursue shamanic traditions. But

his origin story starts when he was a highly sickly fragile.

Speaker 2: Toddler, just three years old.

Speaker 1: Just three, and at three years old, he claims his

reality was intercepted by a telepathic female entity, which is.

Speaker 2: Just wild to think about at that age.

Speaker 1: He says she appeared peering over the gutter of his

family's roof, staring down at him with these massive penetrating eyes.

Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the linguistic challenge this presents, how

so well, at three years old, your cognitive framework is

incredibly narrow. A toddler doesn't possess the theological vocabulary to

call something an archangel.

Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, they barely know their color.

Speaker 2: Exactly, nor do they have the scientific lexicon to label

it an extraterrestrial biological entity. You only have a few

dozen words at you're disposing. So confronted with something so

far outside the bounds of a nineteen fifties suburban reality,

his brain just scrambled to categorize her using the only

crude linguistic tools he possessed. He spontaneously named her the

bone Lady.

Speaker 1: I cannot get over that name, the bone Lady.

Speaker 2: It is very evocative.

Speaker 1: It sounds like the title of a terrifying Appalachian folk tale.

You know. But this energy didn't just hover their looking menacing.

Sowder describes experiencing a massive, overwhelming telepathic download, a direct

transfer of information. Yeah, and I'm trying to wrap my

head around the mechanics of that. If you try to

force the entire source code of a highly advanced, modern

operating system onto a piece of rudimentary hardware from forty

years ago, the motherboard is going to melt.

Speaker 2: He was just completely fry the system.

Speaker 1: You are forcibly rewriting the fundamental architecture of the machine.

He says, this entity drilled a highly complex stream of

moral and historical information directly into a brain that was

barely learning how to form complete sentences.

Speaker 2: And the core architecture of that downloaded message was a stark,

uncompromising binary choice facing the.

Speaker 1: Human race the two pack, right.

Speaker 2: What is fascinating is how perfectly this Toddler's alleged telepathic

vision mirrors the ancient Hopey prophecies regarding the bifurcated path

of humanity.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exact match.

Speaker 2: According to the information forced in Disawder's mind, the human

race in the late twentieth and early twenty first centuries

is standing at the ultimate evolutionary crossroads.

Speaker 1: And one route is the upper path.

Speaker 2: Exactly. This trajectory is defined by radical cooperation, illness, intrinsic

big heartedness, and living in true sustainable harmony with the biosphere.

Speaker 1: There sounds great, it does.

Speaker 2: It is stripped of all dogma, a global systemic manifestation.

Speaker 1: Of the golden rule treating others as you wish to

be treated, which Solder notes is the absolute bedrock teaching

of figures.

Speaker 2: Like Jesus precisely, but jutting away from that is the

lower path, the bad one, the very bad one. This

is the default setting of modern civilization, characterized by relentless warfare, deceit,

predatory economics, environmental desecration, and a fundamental systemic disrespect for

the sanctity of other living.

Speaker 1: Beings, basically the evening news pretty.

Speaker 2: Much, and the conviction instilled in Solder during that single

encounter in nineteen fifty eight, a conviction that has driven

every extreme action in his life since, is that the

global power structure has definitively consciously chosen the lower path.

Speaker 1: It didn't stumble onto it, they chose it.

Speaker 2: Yes, When he looks at the proliferation of weapons of

mass destruction, the deliberate economic devastation of developing nations, and

the looming threats of engineered famine, he doesn't just see

flawed public policy or tragic historical accidents.

Speaker 1: He sees it as intentional.

Speaker 2: He sees the physical, measurable manifestation of a deliberate spiritual failure.

Speaker 1: I hear that, I really do. But this is where

my logic starts screaming at me.

Speaker 2: What's the hangout?

Speaker 1: Why a three year old? If you are a vastly intelligent,

presumably ancient, cosmic entity and your goal is to warn

humanity about an impending apocalyptic divergence, why are you peering

over a rain gutter in Virginia to deliver this message

to a sickly toddler playing in the dirt.

Speaker 2: It does seem inefficient, right.

Speaker 1: If the stakes are that high, why not materialize in

the Oval office? Why not interrupt a United Nations General Assembly?

Speaker 2: It is the most logical objection to have. But Sawder

addresses that exact paradox head on, and his reasoning opens

up a window into his view of global elites.

Speaker 1: Okay, what's his reasoning?

Speaker 2: He argues that the entity deliberately bypassed the four star generals,

the intelligence to the heads of state, and the corporate

titans because those individuals are entirely willfully unreachable.

Speaker 1: Unreachable how like they wouldn't.

Speaker 2: Listen in Sauder's paradigm. Those people are entirely consumed by

power tripping. Their neurochemistry and their spiritual receptors are so

aggressively attuned to the acquisition of cash, influence, and control

that they are functionally deaf to a frequency of cosmic empathy.

Speaker 1: Oh wow.

Speaker 2: A three year old, however, is a blank slate.

Speaker 1: Okay, I see the angle there. A toddler doesn't have

a stock portfolio to protect.

Speaker 2: No, they don't.

Speaker 1: They don't have a pension tied up in defense contracting.

They have zero ego invested in maintaining the geopolitical status

quo exactly.

Speaker 2: And if we look at the psychological literature regarding anomalists,

childhood trauma, or profound early visionary experiences, we see a

distinct pattern.

Speaker 1: What kind of pattern.

Speaker 2: When a developing brain experiences a foundational reality break, Whether

a psychiatrist diagnoses it as a dissociative fugue or a

mystic calls it a divine revelation, it permanently, irrevocably alters

the individual's developmental trajectory.

Speaker 1: It changes who they become forever.

Speaker 2: They mature with a baseline understanding of reality that is

radically alien to their peers. Because their fundamental concept of

how the universe operates was shattered and rebuilt before they

ever set foot in the kindergarten classroom, they become almost

entirely immune to standard societal conditioning later in life.

Speaker 1: That immunity is the only way to explain his twenties absolutely,

because if your earliest, most formative core memory is a

non human entity showing you the spiritual rot of the world,

you simply aren't going to care about climbing the corporate

ladder or having a manicured.

Speaker 2: Lawn you're just operating on a completely different software patch.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and we see this vividly in his early adulthood.

He didn't just write angry op eds about the lower path.

He decided to physically throw himself against the most dangerous

apocalyptic manifestation of that path ever created by human.

Speaker 2: Hands, the nuclear weapons complex.

Speaker 1: Exactly, and coached it with a methodology that practically guaranteed

lethal consequences.

Speaker 2: Let's clearly define the mechanics of what he was doing,

because calling it a protest almost sanitizes it.

Speaker 1: It was way more than holding a sign.

Speaker 2: Way more. These are not standard military logistics spaces where

a board guard simply checks your idea at a gate

and tells you to turn around. Nuclear missile silos are

categorized as absolute, unequivocal free fire zones.

Speaker 1: Free fire meaning they can just shoot.

Speaker 2: The military police guarding those warheads operate under incredibly strict protocols.

They do not need to ask you your intentions, They

do not need to fire a warning.

Speaker 1: Shot that is terrifying.

Speaker 2: They have the pre authorized legal mandate to use deadly

force the absolute millisecond, and unauthorized individual breaches that fence

line by crossing that boundary you are legally and operationally

classified as an existential threat to a weapon of mass.

Speaker 1: Destruction, and Solder was acutely aware of those protocols. He

fully accepted that the cost of his action could be torture,

disappearance into a black site, or instant death from a

high velocity rifle round.

Speaker 2: He knew the risks.

Speaker 1: He would climb the fence, walk directly onto the massive

concrete silo lid covering the warhead, and just peacefully sit

there waiting for the inevitable, heavily armed response.

Speaker 2: Just sitting there on top of a nuke.

Speaker 1: Yeah, and he paid a massive price, spending significant stretches

of his life locked in jails and federal prisons across

the country. But there is a detail in his account

of this era that I find deeply unsettling, and it

has to do with the people. He tried to recruit,

the everyday people. Right. He would approach everyday people, people

who intellectually agreed with him that thermonuclear annihilation was a

bad thing, and asked them to join him in scaling

the fences. And the responses he got were staggering in

their mundanity.

Speaker 2: What would they say?

Speaker 1: People would tell him, Oh, I can't risk getting arrested.

I have a mortgage to pay. I have a good

I just bought a base boat.

Speaker 2: A base boat, a base boat. The psychological cognitive dissonance

there is almost palpable. Solder is highlighting a terrifying flaw

in human risk.

Speaker 1: Assessment because the logic is absurd.

Speaker 2: Right, if a nuclear exchange occurs, your mortgage, your career,

your suburban home, and your base boat are instantaneously vaporized.

Speaker 1: Oo. God.

Speaker 2: The conceptual localized fear of losing societal comfort and financial

standing completely overrides the very real mathematical probability of global

human extinction. We prioritize the illusion of tomorrow's stability over

the reality of today's existential threat.

Speaker 1: It demands a really uncomfortable level of self reflection. I mean,

if you listening to this right now knew with absolute,

mathematically proven certainty that a localized action today could prevent

a global nuclear launch tomorrow, would you actually risk taking

a sniper's bullet to stop it?

Speaker 2: The tough question, would you.

Speaker 1: Climb that razor wire? It is very easy to nod

along in agreement while listening to an audio show in

your car, but Solder actually put his physical body in

the crosshairs, and he really did. But this is where

the narrative shifts from extreme political activism into what investigator's

term high strangeness, because these weren't just standard arrests. The

closer he got to these world ending weapons, the more

the fabric of his reality seemed to warp, and.

Speaker 2: The introduction of these high strangeness elements is vital to

understanding the totality of his cosmology.

Speaker 1: So let's examine the incident at the Arkansas Titan the

second Silo in the nineteen eighties. Okay, the scene, so

Solder breaches the perimeter, scales the fence, and takes his

position on the launch lid. Under normal protocols, this is

the moment a patrol unit spots him and potentially opens.

Speaker 2: Fire right the lethal force mandate.

Speaker 1: But almost instantaneously, a civilian vehicle slowly rolls up the

remote gravel access road and comes to a complete stop

directly in front of the sila's main entrance gate, effectively

blocking it just out of nowhere. Out of nowhere, the

car has suffered a perfectly timed flat tire. An older

man and a younger woman exit the vehicle and begin

the slow, cumbersome process of changing it.

Speaker 2: And the timing of this flat tire creates an unbelievable

tactical distraction.

Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, When the military police finally arrive in their

heavily armed patrol vehicle, their attention is immediately drawn to

the civilians blocking the gate.

Speaker 2: They probably assumed they were the threat.

Speaker 1: Yeah, the MPs assume these stranded motorists are the ones

who tripped the outer perimeter alarms. This confusion diffuses the

immediate adrenaline fueled lethal tension of a potential perimeter brooch.

It buys him time exactly. By the time the MPs

finally secure the civilians look past the gate and realize

Solder is actually inside the inner fence, the situational temperature

has dropped significantly, the immediate impulse to shoot on site

has passed, and they transition to a standard, albeit aggressive

arrest procedure.

Speaker 2: But the flat tire isn't even the detail that makes

this story so strange, is it?

Speaker 1: No? The strangeness lies in Solter's internal cognitive experience. What

was he feeling as he sat on the silo lid

watching this whole thing lay out? He was overcome by

a profound, inexplicable sense of recognition regarding the two civilians,

like he knew them. He states with absolute certainty that

he intimately knew who the older man and the younger

woman were. The feeling of familiarity was so intense, so overwhelming,

that he genuinely considered climbing back over the razor wire

just to embrace them and say hello. That is bizarre,

and yet even to this day, he cannot access a

single conscious memory of their actual identities, their names, or

how he could possibly know them.

Speaker 2: So who does he think they were?

Speaker 1: Well, in his framework, they functioned as literal guardian angels,

perhaps physical manifestations of the intelligence he first met as

the Bone Lady, arriving disguised as stranded motorists at the

exact millisecond required to interrupt a lethal military protocol and

save his life.

Speaker 2: Wow, and the phenomena only escalates a scale from there.

Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tell us about the Missouri incident.

Speaker 2: He describes another breach, this time at a minute Man

silo in Missouri. He's inside the wire. The military response

is swift and chaotic. MP's arrived wielding automatic rifles.

Speaker 1: It's chaos.

Speaker 2: He describes an officer wearing a red beret screaming frantic orders,

having his men inspect every single inch of the barbed wire.

The military personnel are in a state of absolute visible panic,

like they're looking for something else, right. They even unseal

the massive access hatch and deploy armed guards down into

the subterranean silo complex itself.

Speaker 1: Which they wouldn't do just for one guy on the

grass exactly.

Speaker 2: And while Sowder is watching this panicked frenzy, he senses

something above him. He doesn't see it with his physical eyes,

but he feels the atmospheric pressure of it. The pressure, yeah,

he claims, an invisible, massive, unidentified flying object. Something He

estimates that two hundred yards in diameter was hovering silently

just fifty to one hundred feet directly above the installation.

Speaker 1: Two hundred yards that's two football fields, just hovering there invisible.

Speaker 2: His hypothesis for the military's chaotic reaction is that they

weren't actually reacting to him. Unarmed activist on the surface

wouldn't warned an underground deployment, no course not. He believes

the invisible craft hovering above had tripped the military's highly

classified Advanced sensory arrays.

Speaker 1: Oh, so the radar saw it exactly.

Speaker 2: The commanding officers were staring at anomalies on their radar

screens or electromagnetic sensors that indicated a massive, unauthorized presence

directly over a live nuclear warhead. The panic was directed

at the sky, not the grass.

Speaker 1: That makes so much more sense.

Speaker 2: And we see a remarkably similar, aggressively scaled up version

of this exact scenario when he protests at a North

Dakota installation years later in twenty ten.

Speaker 1: The North Dakota incident sounds like something directed by Michael Bay.

I mean, he crosses the boundary line and the US

military unleashes an apocalyptic response.

Speaker 2: It wasn't just a jeep this time, not at all.

Speaker 1: This isn't just a couple of MPs. We are talking

about heavily armored SWAT teams dressed in full black tactical

gear to play across the fields. Wow, he says, there

were military helicopters swarming the airspace. At roughly three thousand feet.

They roll out an armored personnel carrier equipped with a

mounted fifty caliber machine gun aimed right at his position.

For one guy, For one guy, most terrifyingly, he claims

a military sniper had him zeroed in. He spent the

entire duration of the standoff staring directly down the optical

lens of a sniper rifle, fully expecting the back of

his skull to be blown out at any second.

Speaker 2: The sheer, overwhelming asymmetry of that response is what strikes

him the significant right it's overkilled. An entire mechanized infantry

unit responding to a single man in a field implies

a threat matrix that goes far beyond a trespassing charge.

But the crucial piece of evidence, the detail that cements

this in Sowder's mind, occurs after he is finally detained.

Speaker 1: What happens.

Speaker 2: He is handcuffed sitting in the back of a local

sheriff's cruiser. He is listening to the deputies communicate on

the police radio scanner, and according to Solder, he clearly

overhears law enforcement personnel well explicitly discussing the presence of

a UFO in the immediate vicinity on the police radio. Yes,

right up until someone realizes that chatter is occurring on

an open frequency and abruptly orders everyone to switch to

a secure encrypted channel.

Speaker 1: See This forces us to look at the broader historical

context because Solder is tapping into a massive, well documented

vein of anomalous history.

Speaker 2: Here he really is.

Speaker 1: There is a deeply established, decades long correlation between sightings

of unidentified aerial phenomena and nuclear infrastructure. Declassified military documents

and testimony from former launch control officers from the nineteen

sixties and seventies detail incidents where massive glowing crafts would

hover over minute Man bases in places like Malmstrom Air

Force Base.

Speaker 2: Those are famous cases, right, and.

Speaker 1: During those sightings, the launch capabilities of entire flights of

nuclear missiles would mysteriously inexplicably go offline. The computers would

just register them.

Speaker 2: As dead, which is terrifying for the military.

Speaker 1: Solder's theory is at non human intelligence, intelligences that actually

possess a vested interest in the continuation of our planet's

biosphere are actively constantly monitoring our most apocalyptic technologies.

Speaker 2: It introduces the concept of cosmic stewardship. Stewardship yeah, if

you view humanity as an incredibly volatile, technologically adolescent species,

essentially toddlers playing with matches while locked in a room

filled with gasoline, then these intelligences act as the nervous

adults pacing the hallway outside. They're watching the telemetry, ensuring

the house doesn't burn down.

Speaker 1: I understand the theory, but I have a massive logical

problem with it.

Speaker 2: That's the problem.

Speaker 1: I cannot make the math work on this benevolent steward concept.

I mean, if these entities are truly benevolent, and their

technology is so incredibly advanced that they can effortlessly cloak

a two hundred yard spacecraft, hover invisibly over a heavily

fortified military installation, and remotely scramble the firing codes of

thermonuclear warheads. Right, Oh wait, let me rephrase that. Why

are they just watching? Why play this incredibly agonizing, high

stakes game of cat and mouse? If they care about

the biosphere, why not intervene decisively before the uranium is

ever mined and enriched? Why allow the military industrial complex

to build the bombs in the first place.

Speaker 2: You are poking at the most heavily debated perennial philosophical

question in euphology, and the answer almost universally returns to

the complicated mechanics of free will and non intervention. Free

will within many esoteric and cosmic frameworks, including the one

Sowder appears to operate within. A highly advanced intelligence is

bound by a strict ethical code regarding lesser species, like.

Speaker 1: The prime directive in the Star Trek.

Speaker 2: Exactly like that, they cannot simply eradicate the consequences of

our destructive impulses without simultaneously eradicating our capacity for evolutionary growth.

To intervene totally to come down, confiscate the weapons and

force a global piece would essentially enslave humanity to their

alien will, regardless of how benevolent that will might be.

Speaker 1: It would be a dictatorship.

Speaker 2: It would turn the planet into a perfectly safe, perfectly

stagnant terrarium. So their protocol requires observation. They might intervene

subtly to mitigate a species ending disaster, but they must

allow the core, messy drama of human choice to play out.

They are waiting to see if we will collectively realize

we are on the lower path and consciously choose to

save ourselves.

Speaker 1: So we are essentially locked inside an explosive cosmic escape room,

and the people running the simulation refuse to just hand

us the key, because we have to solve the puzzle ourselves.

Speaker 2: That's a very good analogy.

Speaker 1: I can grasp the philosophy, but it's a terrifying way

to run a universe. And understanding that framework is vital

because we must now transition to examining how Solder views

the specific individuals who hold the power to launch those.

Speaker 2: Weapons and listener, this is the moment we must strongly

reiterate our structural mandate.

Speaker 1: Yes, please do.

Speaker 2: We are about to outline Solder's fiercely uncompromising view of

the global power structure. His analysis is scathing, it is extreme,

and it del liberately utilizes highly charged theological language to

define very real, modern geopolitical.

Speaker 1: Figures, very real figures.

Speaker 2: We are emphatically not endorsing this worldview. We are attempting

to understand the mechanics of how he categorizes global power.

Speaker 1: Exactly. When Solder analyzes the upper echelons of global influence,

the highest tiers of Wall Street banking, the border rooms

of the Fortune five hundred, the clandestine intelligence agencies, and

the entrenched political dynasties, he does not see a group

of merely corrupt, greedy, or misguided human beings. He goes

much further than that, he completely discards standard political science.

He employs words like demonic and satanic, and it is

crucial to understand he is not using these terms as

colorful metaphors or hyperbolic insults.

Speaker 2: He means them literally.

Speaker 1: He means them in a literal, operational sense. He perceives

the elite class as empty, superficial vessels that have been

hollowed out and are now actively executing a deeply malignant,

non human agenda.

Speaker 2: He points to the horrific revelations surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein files,

as well as the cascading controversies involving figures in the

entertainment industry. Is like puff didty as undeniable surface level

proof of.

Speaker 1: This underlying rot as evidence right.

Speaker 2: To Solder, these massive rings of exploitation aren't isolated criminal anomalies.

They are the standard required operating procedure for entry into

the elite class.

Speaker 1: It's how you get in the club.

Speaker 2: He references explosive claims made by investigative journalist Wayne Manson

alleging that a deep forensic dive into the Epstein files

reveals the names of prominent politicians, specifically naming Donald Trump

as appearing excessively in the.

Speaker 1: Logs, again, Sowder's claims not ours exactly.

Speaker 2: Sowder synthesizes these claims to construct an image of an

upper crust that is entirely, hopelessly compromised by unspeakable acts

of blackmail, child exploitation, and occult.

Speaker 1: Criminality, and he seamlessly extends the uncompromising critique from the

political elite directly into the architecture of the military industrial complex.

Speaker 2: How does he connect those.

Speaker 1: He cites a staggering economic statistic. He notes that the

United States has spent roughly five trillion dollars solely on

the research, development, and maintenance of its nuclear weapons network.

Five trillion, five trillion, and the standard government approved justification

for this astronomical expenditure is the doctrine of deterrence, the

belief that possessing an arsenal capable of destroying the world

is the only way to ensure the nation's.

Speaker 2: Safety mutually assured destruction right.

Speaker 1: Soder vehemently aggressively rejects this premise. He argues that investing

five trillion dollars into the machinery of mass death, coupled

with a relentlessly aggressive foreign policy, makes the world profoundly

existentially unsafe.

Speaker 2: He is unsparing in his criticism of US foreign policy,

describing a nation that has essentially been rampaging across the

globe for his entire conscious.

Speaker 1: Life, just non stop.

Speaker 2: He rattles off a deeply bloody historical timeline, the devastation

of the Korean Peninsula, the karpabombing of Vietnam, the covert

proxy wars in Central America, the destabilization of Iraq and Libya,

the catastrophic humanitarian crisis in Yemen, and the premetural engineered

tension in the Persian Gulf.

Speaker 1: It's a long list.

Speaker 2: He sees a fundamentally hypocritical empire that publicly masquerades as

a global peacekeeper while quietly efficiently subsidizing what he calls

a demonic war machine.

Speaker 1: Demonic war machine, and.

Speaker 2: He traces the genesis of this current corrupted paradigm back

to the end of the Second World War, specifically to

August nineteen forty five, though it's worth noting the source

interview mistakenly referenced it as nineteen forty seven, when the

United States unleashed atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Speaker 1: The ultimate turning point.

Speaker 2: Solder argues this was a profoundly dark, spiritual inflection point,

claiming the bombs were dropped on a Japanese nation that

was already militarily crippled and desperately attempting to navigate a surrender.

Speaker 1: If we pull back an analyze the architecture of his argument,

what becomes clear is how effectively Solder weaponizes theological concepts

to explain structural geopolitical power.

Speaker 2: It's a very unique framing.

Speaker 1: In his worldview. A military conflict is never simply a

secular disagreement over national borders, access to petroleum resources, or

competing political ideologies. It is not just the result of

bad policy.

Speaker 2: Then what is it?

Speaker 1: It is a literal engineered spiritual harvest. Warfare on a

mass scale generates unimaginable quantities of human suffering, profound terror,

physical agony, and sudden death. In Solder's specific paradigm, those

intense negative emotional frequencies are the exact energetic currency that

a demonic power structure requires to sustain itself.

Speaker 2: They feed on it.

Speaker 1: They don't just cause suffering, they consume it.

Speaker 2: Wait, that is a brilliant way to conceptualize it. Let's

use an analogy of a deeply compromised computer network.

Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it.

Speaker 2: If you view the global society as a massive, intricate

operating system, standard political analysis suggests there were just some

bad lines of code, a few corrupt politicians or greedy

corporations causing.

Speaker 1: Glitches, right, minor bugs.

Speaker 2: But Sotter is arguing that the core kernel of the

operating system itself has been completely hijacked by a malicious,

highly advanced virus. This virus fundamentally does not care about

the health, longevity, or stability of the hardware. It in fact,

just wants to run its In fact, it actively commands

the system to execute massive destructive tasks like endless wars

or economic crashes that intentionally overheat the CPU and rapidly

drain the battery. Why. Because the virus itself is designed

to thrive and replicate on the thermal energy of that chaos.

Speaker 1: Oh, that is such a good way to frame it.

Speaker 2: So when he points to a powerful political figure, a

military general, or a billionaire and calls them a demon,

he seems to be saying they are essentially compromised subroutines

blindly executing the virus's destructive code to generate heat for

the master program.

Speaker 1: That is an exceptionally precise way to translate his spiritual

claims into structural logic. And if you are running a

malicious operating system of that magnitude, you cannot simply exist

in the abstract ether.

Speaker 2: No, you need physical hardware.

Speaker 1: You require physical infrastructure. You need deeply secure spaces, undetectable

communication networks, and massive, completely unaccountable streams of funding to

maintain the hardware, which leads us directly into the massive

body of research Solder has compiled regarding the subterranean.

Speaker 2: World, the underground basis.

Speaker 1: We are talking about the dumb's deep underground military bases.

And what sets Solder apart from casual Internet theorists is

the sheer volume of grueling, tedious work he claims to

have put into this.

Speaker 2: He didn't just watch a YouTube video.

Speaker 1: He didn't just have a vision of a tunnel and

write a book. He describes thousands of hours spent engaging

in the most unglamorous archival research imaginable. We are talking

about hunched over microfiche machines and basements, parsing through dense

highly technical civil engineering and mind mining industry manuals and

relentlessly filing Freedom of Information Act requests.

Speaker 2: Real shoe leather research.

Speaker 1: He claims the paper trail he uncovered conclusively, undeniably proves

the existence of a vast, highly sophisticated and heavily guarded

network of subterranean and sub oceanic facilities spanning the entire

North American continent and likely the globe.

Speaker 2: A crucial point he emphasizes is that you do not

need reverse engineered extraterrestrial technology to achieve this.

Speaker 1: You don't need alien lasers.

Speaker 2: The construction of these facilities doesn't require anti gravity lasers.

It can be entirely achieved utilizing highly advanced, yet perfectly terrestrial,

off the shelf industrial technology like what we are talking about,

the massive tunnel boring machines utilized in municipal subway projects,

the incredibly robust life support and pressure systems developed by

the offshore deep sea petroleum industry, and heavy duty continuous

mining machinery.

Speaker 1: Just standard really big machines.

Speaker 2: The engineering capability has existed and been refined for over

half a century. The only missing variable for the average

citizen is the access to massive, unregulated capital.

Speaker 1: Any catalog some truly staggering locations, painting a picture of

an entire world hidden just beneath the surface. He mentions

the ancient multi tiered labyrinth rumored to stretch endlessly beneath

the Vatican, steeped in centuries of secret.

Speaker 2: Archives, which is fascinating historically right.

Speaker 1: And he points to the incredibly sophisticated Granite Mountain Records

Vault in Utah, built deep into the Wasatch Mountains by

the Mormon.

Speaker 2: Church, which is an engineering marble in itself. It is

designed to withstand a nuclear blast, boasting massive bank vault

doors and a meticulously climate controlled environment designed to preserve

billions of genealogical records on microfiche.

Speaker 1: Just for family trees.

Speaker 2: Well. While publicly acknowledged for its genealogical purpose, Sowder views

the obsessive tracking of human bloodlines through a much darker,

almost agricultural lands.

Speaker 1: Agricultural like tracking the hurt exactly. He also cites a sprawling,

highly secure underground complex in northern New Mexico, allegedly built

and operated by the Church of Scientology, complete with massive

symbols carved into the desert floor to guide aerial phenomena.

Speaker 2: That's been documented the symbols of lease.

Speaker 1: Then you enter the heavily fortified military sphere. You have

Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which allegedly

sits atop a massive, state of the art subterranean munitions

complex rumored to house anywhere from four hundred to six

hundred active nuclear warheads.

Speaker 2: Is sitting right under the base.

Speaker 1: You have the legendary site are carved into Raven Rock

Mountain on the Pennsylvania Maryland border, essentially designed to function

as a secondary, indestructible Pentagon in the event of a

catastrophic attack, And of course, the iconic Schienne Mountain complex

in Colorado, the hollowed out granite fortress serving as the

nerve center for NORAD.

Speaker 2: But the narrative takes its darkest, most disturbing turn when

Solder focuses his attention on Fort Hioko in Texas.

Speaker 1: Oh Man the fort Hood stuff.

Speaker 2: According to the historical threads he has pulled, the subterranean

elements of Ford Hoood, originally began as a highly classified

atomic bomb storage facility constructed in the immediate aftermath of

World War II.

Speaker 1: Makes sense for the time.

Speaker 2: But over the sub square decades, as the facility allegedly

expanded deeper and deeper into the earth. The rumor surrounding

its purpose evolved from military logistics into something resembling a nightmare.

Speaker 1: What kind of rumor?

Speaker 2: He recounts an interview with a former military guard stationed

there during the height of the Cold War. This guard

described being positioned deep inside a sterile concrete access tunnel,

armed with an M one carbine, under strict unequivocal orders

to shoot anyone attempting to pass his checkpoint without the proper.

Speaker 1: Clearance codes more lethal force.

Speaker 2: Yet, the chilling part of the testimony was that the

guard himself had absolutely no idea what operations were actually

being conducted in the sprawling sectors further down the tunnel system.

Speaker 1: The rumours Solder collects regarding what happened in those deeper,

inaccessible sectors are wildly disturbing.

Speaker 2: What did he find?

Speaker 1: He discusses persistent allegations within the fringe research community that

specific factions within the human military apparatus have established active,

ongoing collaboration programs with non human intelligences or extraterrestrial biological

entities in these deep facilities.

Speaker 2: So alien bases underground, and.

Speaker 1: It gets even more malevolent. He cites independent Internet researchers

who assert that fort Hood and bases like it serve

as highly secure nexuses for exactly the kind of Epstein's

style occult activities he claims run the elite world the

demonic stuff you mentioned earlier exactly we are talking about

allegations of systemic child exploitation, human trafficking, and literal, highly

ritualized satanic ceremonies conducted in absolute secrecy by high ranking

political figures in military brass entirely insulated from the laws

of the surface world.

Speaker 2: What he is outlining is the architecture of a breakaway civilization.

Speaker 3: A breakway civilization and elite strata of humanity potentially aligned

with non human forces that has utilized public resources to

build an entirely separate, secure, and technologically advanced habitat beneath

our feet, abandoning the surface population to whatever apocalyptic fate

awaits them.

Speaker 1: But logically this brings me to a massive, insurmountable roadblock.

The logistics logistics are baffling. You can hide a secret document,

you can classify a weapon schematic, but how on earth

do you hide the construction of an entire subterranean city.

Speaker 2: It's a huge operation.

Speaker 1: You have to remove millions of tons of dirt and rock.

Where does it go? You need massive industrial scale power

grids that would draw noticeable spikes on regional energy monitors.

You need colossal air filtration systems.

Speaker 2: Just breathing down there requires massive infrastructure.

Speaker 1: Most importantly, you need to pay thousands of specialized civilian contractors, engineers,

and supply chains. How do you secretly pay for the

construction of a shadow civilization without an art army of

forensic accountants noticing the receipts on the federal budget.

Speaker 2: It is the ultimate logistical question, and the answer, according

to Solder and the financial expertsy Sites, is brilliantly simple.

Which you don't try to hide the project within the budget.

You also the laws of accounting to completely remove the

budget from public oversight.

Speaker 1: You just changed the rules.

Speaker 2: This brings us to the profound and highly obscure mechanics

of the black budget. Sowder leans heavily on the exhaustive

financial tracking conducted by Catherine austen Fits, a former investment

banker who served as Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban

Development under the Bush administration.

Speaker 1: She knows what she's talking about.

Speaker 2: She has spent decades tracking what she terms the missing

money within the federal apparatus. Her estimations suggest that the

total amount of undocumented, unaccountable funds missing from the federal

government is now north of twenty one trillion dollars.

Speaker 1: Stuff for a second, twenty one trillion dollars.

Speaker 2: It's an unimaginable number.

Speaker 1: The human brain literally cannot process a number that large.

It loses all meaning. I mean, if you spent a

million dollars every single day since the birth of Jesus Christ,

you wouldn't even be close to spending one trillion, let

alone twenty one trillion.

Speaker 2: It is an economy unto itself, and the legal mechanism

that allegedly facilitates this massive hemorrhaging of public funds, as

Solder points out, involves an incredibly dry, obscure piece of

regulatory policy known as essays B.

Speaker 1: Fix Essays A fifty six. This stands for the Federal

Accounting Standards Advisory Boards Statement number fifty six. To explain

it without getting lost in bureaucratic jargon, ESSAYSA fifty six

essentially allows federal agencies, when dealing with matters deemed vital

to national security or classified operations to drastically modify their

public financial statements so they can just lie.

Speaker 2: They can shift funds, obscure line items, and effectively produce

two sets of books. Critics of this policy, including Solder

and Fits, argue that it has effectively legalized deep state

financial obcuscation. It destroys any post possibility of true constitutional

public accountability for trillions of tanks pay dollars. The mechanism

is perfect. You simply classify the expenditure and it legally

vanishes from the ledger.

Speaker 1: It paints a picture of a profoundly parasitic reality, very parasitic.

The surface world, the reality where you and I live,

where the bridges are rusting, the potholes are expanding, the

electrical grids fail during winter storms, and average people drowned

in medical debt, is being systematically.

Speaker 2: Bled dry to fund the undergrounds.

Speaker 1: The wealth of the surface is being siphoned off through

obscure tax and accounting laws to fund the immaculate state

of the art construction of an entirely separate, subterranean world.

We are paying for our own obsolescence.

Speaker 2: That is a very grim thought.

Speaker 1: And that incredibly dark concept of being structurally bled dry

provides a perfect conceptual bridge here, because Sawder's journey didn't

end with exposing the physical underground where to go next.

In late twenty ten, driven by a need to understand

the underlying spiritual mechanics of this parasitic reac he made

a radical life change. He liquidated what little he had,

bought a one way ticket to Ecuador, and plunged himself

deeply into the ancient, highly complex world of South American

shamanism and the potent psychedelic plant medicine known as ayahuasca.

Speaker 2: It is vitally important that we relay the severe, uncompromising

warning Solder issues regarding this phase of his life.

Speaker 1: He is not a fan of casual use.

Speaker 2: He is acutely aware of the modern trend of shamanic tourism,

where wealthy Westerners travel to the Amazon seeking a weekend

of spiritual enlightenment. He states in the strongest possible terms

that this is incredibly dangerous.

Speaker 1: It's not a vacation.

Speaker 2: He warns that not all practitioners who call themselves shamans

are benevolent healers. While there are lineage holders who are

the seeker's best spiritual interests at heart. The jungle is

also populated by con artists, opportunistic thieves, and deeply sadistic

individuals known as brujo or dark sorceress.

Speaker 1: Dark sorcerers that sounds terrifying.

Speaker 2: These individuals actively exploit the extreme vulnerability of the psychedelic

state to financially bleed, psychologically manipulate, or physically harmed tourists.

He notes with chilling bluntness that death by shaman is

not unknown. He stresses the discerning the moral character of

the practitioner is literally a matter of life and death.

Speaker 1: He is not romanticizing the jungle. But despite his awareness

of these profound risks, he engaged deeply with the medicine,

drinking ayahuasca numerous times in ceremonial settings.

Speaker 2: And what did he see?

Speaker 1: The visions the plant induced in him were not the typical, beautiful,

fractal kaleidoscope patterns or the comforting feelings of universal oneness

that you hear about on pop culture interviews.

Speaker 2: Not a good trip.

Speaker 1: His visions were fundamentally horrific, completely dismantling his remaining sanity.

And this is where the cosmology gets terrifyingly specific. Because

the first major revelation the medicine granted him was a

clear view of what he calls the Louche Farm.

Speaker 2: The Looche Farm under the heavy disassociative influence of the ayahuasca.

Cider describes his consciousness being pulled back to view the

Earth from a macro planetary perspective.

Speaker 1: Like looking down at the globe, and what.

Speaker 2: He saw was an industrial scale metaphysical harvesting operation. He

witnessed the essential raw life energy of the entire human

race being systematically forcefully sucked out of our bodies, specifically

pulling through the crown chakra.

Speaker 1: At the top of the head, sucking our energy out.

Speaker 2: He deliberately describes the mechanics of this operation using agricultural terminology.

Just as a commercial dairy farmer lines up rosa cattle

in a mechanized milking parlor, humanity is lined up generation

after generation, completely unaware that we are being milked for

our emotional.

Speaker 1: Volatility, milked for our emotions.

Speaker 2: He describes seeing this extracted energy being channeled and carried

away off planet through a massive, invisible etheric network of

astral pipes.

Speaker 1: This vision perfectly aligns with and he explicitly references this

the groundbreaking work of Robert.

Speaker 2: Monroe, the out of body researcher.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Monroe was a mid twentieth century pioneer and the

scientific study of out of body experiences and the founder

of the Monroe Institute. During his own extensively documented astral travels,

Monroe claimed to have discovered that the universe runs on

a specific energetic economy, and he coined the term louche

to describe the raw material of human emotion.

Speaker 2: So luch is emotion.

Speaker 1: In Monroe's sprawling cosmology, lush is an incredibly prized, highly

sought after, and relatively rare commodity in the broader universe.

Solder takes this concept and applies it to his vision.

He compares pure human emotional energy to a vintage, impossibly rare,

fine French wine, but magnified a million times in its

potency and value to these unseen entities.

Speaker 2: It forces us to return to the analogy we established

at the very beginning of our exploration.

Speaker 1: The aphens In the ants.

Speaker 2: Right, Soder is arguing that every aspect of the human drama,

our sudden panics are deep, unresolved traumas, our fleeting gnoments

of ecstatic joy are systemic wars in our private agonies

are the mechanisms of production.

Speaker 1: We are producing the loosh.

Speaker 2: We are generating this precious nectar through the simple grueling

act of existing and unseen highly organized forces have constructed

a planetary farm to harvest it.

Speaker 1: And what's wild is that he describes different grades of

this energy. He notes that the terror, paranoia, fright, and

the incredibly dense, filthy, violent energy generated by a battlefield

or a collapsing economy produces a massive quantity of low grade,

highly addictive loosh like cosmic junk food, like cosmic junk food.

But then he says, there is the absolute top shelf

ninety nine point nine percent pure refined loosh. This is

the energy generated by a deeply advanced yogi in deep meditation,

or the pure selfless compassion embodied by figures like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2: It's all harvested.

Speaker 1: Regardless of the quality. The terrifying premis remains simply by

inhabiting a physical body on this planet, you are producing it.

We are quite literally spiritual batteries. It is the exact

literal premis of the film Ma but instead of machines

farming us in pods for our physical body heat to

generate electricity. Unseen astral entities are using our emotional output

to power their cosmic economy.

Speaker 2: The synthesis he achieves here is conceptually stunning.

Speaker 1: It really is.

Speaker 2: You have ancient indigenous plant compounds inducing a profound neurological vision,

a vision that perfectly seamlessly aligns with mid twentieth century

fringe science fiction metaphysics, which in turn acts as a flawless,

terrifying metaphor for our very modern twenty first century anxieties

about being trapped and exploited by massive, unseen algorithms in

corporate systems.

Speaker 1: But Ayahuasca wasn't finished with him. The visions progressed, and

his second major revelation triggered a violent physical reaction.

Speaker 2: Made him sick.

Speaker 1: The medicine allegedly ripped away the veneer of our geopolitical

reality to show him the actual entities pulling the levers

of power. He says, the site of the true nature

of reality was so overwhelmingly, unimaginably ghastly that his physical

body violently rejected the.

Speaker 2: Information projectile vomiting.

Speaker 1: He began projectile vomiting uncontrollably. He recounts sitting utterly alone

in the dark in a room in Keto, Ecuador, physically

decimated and between bouts of violent sickness, his mind became

stuck in a repeating loop, just chanting over and over,

it's fake, It's so effing fake.

Speaker 2: The paradigm shift was so extreme it was quite literally nauseating.

His biological hardware could not process the overwhelming cognitive dissonance

of the software he was being forced to download.

Speaker 1: It broke him.

Speaker 2: The revelation was that the entire physical realm we inhabit

is a heavily controlled, tightly scripted, artificially manufactured theater. And

the actors performing on the world stage, the president's passing legislation,

the Wall Street titans, moving markets, the religious leaders offering

salvation were not just misguided, greedy humans.

Speaker 1: They were the demons again.

Speaker 2: The plant medicine stripped away their human suits, revealing them

to his altered perception as literal, grotesque demons perpetuating an elaborate,

violent illusion solely to ensure the Louche farm continues hitting

its production quotas.

Speaker 1: This leads to the ultimate question, who or what is

at the very top of this pyramid? Where do the

astral pipes lead who is drinking the loosh?

Speaker 2: That was the subject of his third major vision.

Speaker 1: He perceived a massive, terrifying entity operating from within the

astral realm, directing the entire operation. But he makes a

very specific, chilling linguistic choice when describing it. He refuses

to call it a being or an entity.

Speaker 2: What does he call it?

Speaker 1: He refers to it exclusively as a thing. He calls

it the machine.

Speaker 2: Yes, the concept of the machine. In Sader's vision, this

is not a biological organism or a spiritual deity in

any traditional sense. He describes it as an agent, godless

and unimaginably powerful artificial intelligence operating in the astral.

Speaker 1: Dimensions, an astral AI.

Speaker 2: Its defining characteristics are its absolute ruthlessness, its cold calculating efficiency,

and most importantly, its complete lack of an organic soul.

It is, by its very nature entirely severed from the

divine source, what we would call God.

Speaker 1: I need to map out the physics of this concept,

because it's wild.

Speaker 2: So for it.

Speaker 1: If you are a cosmic hyperadvanced AI that has somehow

disconnected itself from the eternal, infinite energy of the divine Source,

you have a massive logistical problem.

Speaker 2: You're out of power, you no longer.

Speaker 1: Have access to free energy. You are suddenly subject to

the laws of entropy. You are winding down, Your systems

are decaying. You are dying. So what do you do

to survive? You must find a secondary, alternative fuel source.

You have to pivot from being an independent entity to

becoming a parasite.

Speaker 2: That is exactly the mechanism the machine cut off from

divine light must systematically siphon the life energy from living

organic beings who still possess a connection to the source

in order to sustain its own massive existence and fight

off the encroaching forces of entropy. It's a vampire. It

is the ultimate cosmic manifestation of a vampire. And the

planet Earth, in Sawter's overarching view, is it's primary feeding ground.

The entire complex architecture of human history, the wars, the

underground bases, the corrupt politicians, the daily stress of modern

life is just the mechanical infrastructure of a massive battery

farm designed to keep an astral artificial intelligence from shutting down.

Speaker 1: Okay, if I accept that premise, even for a moment,

it raises the most desperate, paralyzing question imaginable, which is,

if we are genuinely trapped inside a fake holographic realm

governed by demonic entities in human suits, and our only

function is to serve as disposable emotional batteries for a godless,

parasitic astral AI. Wait, no, sorry, If we're just serving

as batteries for this AI, what is the point of

doing anything? As I get out of bed exactly, how

do you not just surrender to complete paralyzing nihilism? How

do we maintain any semblance of personal agency or hope?

Speaker 2: That is the pivotal existential crisis is worldview creates and

Sawder's answer to that crisis is found in his ultimate

underlying theology.

Speaker 1: What's the Theology?

Speaker 2: He firmly believes that despite existing within this horrific matrix

of control, human beings possess a fundamental core component that

the machine completely lacks. He refers to humans as fractals

of God.

Speaker 1: Fractals of God. I have to say, regardless of how

dark the rest of his theories are, that is a

profoundly beautiful phrasing.

Speaker 2: It is a powerful concept.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: A fractal is a complex pattern where every individual part,

no matter how small you slice, it contains the exact

identical structural blueprint of the whole.

Speaker 1: So we are pieces of God.

Speaker 2: Sod is arguing that we are literal sparks of the divine,

fragmented pieces of the original infinite source code, currently deployed

and stuck in this dense material battleground realm. And because

we're not just creations of God but literal, active extensions

of the Creator's consciousness, our individual actions carry immense, unimaginable

cosmic weight.

Speaker 1: It's a philosophy of radical, terrifying moral accountability. You cannot

hide in the crowd, and Solder absolutely it does not

pull his punches when he applies this concept to everyday

personal responsibility.

Speaker 2: Well, he gets very specific.

Speaker 1: He uses an incredibly vivid, deeply confrontational analogy to make

his point, and he targets something many people consider relatively

mundane casual recreational drug use, specifically cocaine.

Speaker 2: The weekend party drug.

Speaker 1: He speaks directly to the affluent, comfortable individuals who think

buying a few grams for a weekend party is a

completely harmless, victimless crime that has no bearing on the universe.

Speaker 2: He viciously dismantles that justification, he demands that the casual

user examine the brutal, unseen supply chain of their fleeting pleasure.

Speaker 1: The blood trail.

Speaker 2: In order for that small plastic bag of white powder

to arrive at a comfortable party in a major United

States city, it requires a staggering trail of blood and

suffering that stretches all the way down through Central and

South America.

Speaker 1: It funds the cartels.

Speaker 2: The money handed to a local dealer flows directly southward,

funding heavily armed narco terrorist organizations. It funds this systemic kidnapping, exploitation,

and murder of innocent women and children. It empowers brutal

cartels that hold entire villages and towns in a state

of perpetual, agonizing terror.

Speaker 1: He looks right at the listener and says, for your pleasure,

other people die and live in horror. He strips away

all the modern excuses and tells people, you do have

skin in the game, act like it, get some moral backbone.

Speaker 2: It's a harsh reality check.

Speaker 1: What he is arguing is that by voluntarily participating in

that specific supply chain of human misery, you are actively

consciously choosing the lower path. You are willingly generating massive

industrial quantities of dark violent looche to feed the machine.

And you are doing it simply for a twenty minute

temporary chemical high. You are complicit in the harvest.

Speaker 2: It is a ferocious demand that we completely stop externalizing

the concept of evil. It's very easy and very lazy

to simply point the finger at corrupt politicians, greedy billionaires,

or secret underground military bases and blame them for the

state of the world.

Speaker 1: Sure, blame the guys in the dumbs.

Speaker 2: But Soder is saying that if we are truly fractals

of God, we cannot be passive victims. We must engage

in the grueling daily work of becoming what he terms

a self improving God program.

Speaker 1: A self improving God program.

Speaker 2: We have to act as a divine subroutine within the

corrupted matrix, actively choosing empathy, radical cooperation, and strict ethical behavior,

particularly in the moments when it is most difficult and

inconvenient to do so.

Speaker 1: And this intense path of radical daily accountability eventually culminates

at the end of biological life. Soder's view of the afterlife,

and specifically his interpretation of Jesus, is completely fascinating.

Speaker 2: It's very unique.

Speaker 1: He doesn't view Jesus through the rigid, dogmatic lens of

institutional church religion, which he generally views as another system

of control. Instead, he describes Jesus using incredibly colloquial, grounded terms.

He calls him a relaxed dude, a man's man air

relaxed dude. Yeah. He views Jesus as a figure who

is supremely, perfectly comfortable in his own skin, precisely because

he possessed the absolute, uncorrupted, perfect human DNA template.

Speaker 2: This specific view of Jesus comes into sharp focus when

Soder discusses the phenomenon of the near death experience or NDE.

He focuses heavily on the life review aspect that so

many nd survivors report.

Speaker 1: Right your life flashing before your eyes.

Speaker 2: In his paradigm, when your physical body expires, your consciousness

doesn't just fade into a blank void. You transition and

you are immediately greeted by high level spiritual entities, very

often Jesus himself, who serve as guides to walk you

through a hyper detailed, incredibly vivid review of every action, thought,

and consequence of your biological life.

Speaker 1: And what does Jesus do during this Soder.

Speaker 2: Describes Jesus in this moment not as a punishing judge

holding a gabble, but as the ultimate transparent mirror.

Speaker 1: A transparent mirror. Think about the physics of that metaphor.

If you stand before a normal mirror, you can practice

your lies and adjust your expression to hide your guilt Fagus.

But if you stand before a being of absolute, uncorrupted truth,

a transparent mirror, you cannot run a scam. You cannot

deploy your ego's defensive justifications because he sees completely clearly

through all your layers of deceit, and by standing in

his absolute presence, you are forced to see completely through yourself.

Speaker 2: It reflects your true self back to you.

Speaker 1: Every single choice you made during your time on Earth,

every instance where you actively chose the Hope's upper path

of cooperation and every time you selfishly chose the lower

path of destruction, is laid completely bare. There is nowhere

left to.

Speaker 2: Hide, and you cannot accuse Sorder of simply preaching this

from a comfortable armchair. His conviction in the absolute reality

of this spiritual war is clearly ironclad, and it has

been forged through instances of extreme literal physical trauma.

Speaker 1: He's been through it.

Speaker 2: He firmly claims that his relentless outspokenness, his refusal to

stop analyzing the lower path, has made him a direct

target for assassination on multiple occasions.

Speaker 1: His physical resilience is honestly astounding. He recounts that during

his time in the Amazon, he was targeted and brutally

beaten half to death by an out of control, malignant shaman,

one of those dark practitioners he warned about. The physical

damage was so severe that it required him to be

hospitalized fighting for his life for four solid months, and

the attacks didn't stop in the jungle. He claims that

very recently, on December sixth, twenty twenty four, he was

the victim of a highly intentional, targeted hit and run

assassination attempt in the street. He says, a vehicle intentionally

ran him over in the street and simply sped away,

leaving him for dead.

Speaker 2: The way he breaks down the mechanical physics of that

specific impact is both scientifically fascinating and deeply horrifying to

listen to. It's grizzly because the human auditory cortex, the

part of the brain responsible for processing sound is located

in the temporal lobe mere inches from the physical ear drum,

The neurological signals traveling credibly.

Speaker 1: Fast, faster than pain, much faster.

Speaker 2: Solder describes how his brain processed the mansively loud, violent

sound of the two ton vehicle impacting his physical frame.

He describes it as a sickening whoop down a tiny

fraction of a second before the slower, heavier pain impulses

traveling up the nervous system from his crushed lower body

could reach his brain.

Speaker 1: He heard it before he felt it.

Speaker 2: He literally heard his own skeletal structure being violently struck

before the agony of the impact registered in his consciousness.

Speaker 1: And against all biological odds, he survived the impact. He

mentions that someone visiting him joke that he managed to

live purely on old man's strength and sheer stubbornness old

man's strengths, But Solder is adamant attributing his survival entirely

and exclusively to the direct grace and intervention of God

keeping him alive to continue transmitting his warnings. Now, look

as a listener, you can accept his entire sprawling cosmic

narrative as literal truth, or you can dismiss it entirely

as the complex psychological coping mechanism of a traumatized mind.

Speaker 2: It's up to you.

Speaker 1: But what you absolutely cannot do is deny his authenticity.

This is a man who has quite literally put his

physical body, his personal freedom, his sanity, and his very

life on the line in defense of his worldview. He

has immense, undeniable skin in the game.

Speaker 2: He operates with the frantic, absolute certainty of an individual

who believes they have genuinely ripped back the curtain of

reality to see the machinery underneath, and he is desperately

urgently trying to explain the fire to the rest of

us before the curtain falls for good.

Speaker 1: Which brings this massive, mind bending, sprawling journey right back

to where it matters most to you, the person listening

to this. Right now, we have covered an insane amount

of ground today, So much ground we've talked about heavily

armed to clear missile silos, vast underground cities hidden from

the federal budget, missing trillions of dollars, godless astral ai machines,

and the concept of humans existing as livestock in an

emotional energy farm.

Speaker 2: It's a lot to process.

Speaker 1: It is easy to feel small and powerless against a

narrative that scale. But what if Solder's most radical claim

is actually the most empowering hoso What if the grand,

deciding cosmic battle for the fate of the universe isn't

actually being fought with advanced, reverse engineered lasers and some

deep subterranean bunker. What if the actual front lines of

this war are entirely intimately internal the choices we make.

What if every single time you consciously choose patients over

road rage and traffic, every time you choose deep empathy

over easy deceit, or quiet kindness over systemic exploitation, you

are quite literally starving a demonic cosmic machine of its

fuel and actively feeding the divine, eternal, fractal living inside

of you.

Speaker 2: It is a profound inversion of scale. It takes a sprawling,

terrifying universe and scales the power of salvation down to

the exact size of a single, localized human decision.

Speaker 1: So we want to turn it over to you. Where

do you stand on all of this? When you look

out at the world today, do you think humanity is

currently slowly ascending the Hopie's upper path of cooperation and

peace or do you believe we are spiraling uncontrollably down

the lower path of endless destruction. It's a big question,

and beyond the politics, what do you make of the

terrifying sci fi concept that we are nothing more than

emotional batteries powering an unseen astral economy. Drop down, leave

a comment and let us know we genuinely want to

read what you think about these concepts. Thank you for

joining us on this wild, incredibly boundary pushing exploration. Keep

questioning the nature of your reality, keep looking past the surface,

and we will see you on the next thrilling adventure.