Pharmaceutical Companies Fighting Marijuana Rescheduling? Here's Why
DOJ just filed a brief telling the D.C. Circuit to deny the anti-rescheduling stay motion — and the argument is brutal: the drug-testing lobby and cannabinoid pharma challengers are not protecting public health, they are protecting “pocketbook interests.”
This week on Cannabis Legalization News, Tom and Miggy break down the DOJ’s new marijuana rescheduling brief, the live DEA hearing where the government is now arguing FOR Schedule III, Illinois’ new SB 3222 cannabis and hemp law, and the latest legalization battles across Arizona, Pennsylvania, and beyond.
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1 SPEAKER_00: What up, everybody?
It is another episode of Cannabis Legalization News, the
number one podcast for cannabis law, policy, business, and
wherever you get your podcasts, which is catch-all you always
throw in there.
What a word salad to start this day off.
Uh, happy 250, America, and happy birthday to you, Jimmy,
who never watches, my younger brother.
Um, okay, we have 10 stories.
One I just did a deep dive on, and uh people are checking it
out.
They didn't like my AI, like it wasn't me as AI, but then I have
this DJI thing that tracks you on a gimbal.
And they were like, oh, it's too much, too much camera movement.
So check out that uh that new one that I did about the DOJ.
Uh they are our top story.
I mean, we live in such a parallel universe now that the
Department of Justice is defending marijuana legalization
uh to a certain extent, at least Schedule 3 marijuana.
Uh that's where we're gonna lead off.
And then we have nine more stories.
And if you want to get these stories emailed to you, and then
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It'll take you to a form, fill it out, and we will start
sending you some emails.
So let's get into Canada's legalization news.
That is July 5th, 2026.
What are my delicious memos?
SPEAKER_01: Hey, those things are really good.
Uh, I left mine somewhere.
I'm sad.
No, that's how you can tell it's a good vape pen.
You forget it.
Well, no, I was gonna take one with me on my flight back.
Uh uh uh because I had the delicious coffee one, and uh uh
I was gonna take that risk, right?
We had first again.
Wow, dude, we opened a store, it's been a week since uh uh we
had the last show going live, and there was so much still to
uh uh digest and put out where, like uh, you know, you asked me
uh while we were trying to do some little footage for later
and stuff.
Uh, what was I most surprised about?
And it really the quality of the weed and the price where we're
able to sell it at.
Like, that was because Illinois didn't start off like at a
regular man's price point, you know, like and I didn't know I
don't know about the quality because I never smoked at that
time.
There, that was me.
The first time I came up was for the store.
So uh uh yeah, I think that was the most impressive part.
Plus, you know, uh uh you mentioned birthdays, dude.
We also have uh uh uh a birthday for uh one of our butt tenders,
Justin.
SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Justin with a day off, but he'll be uh
serving people across the street from the courthouse tomorrow.
I have a ticket right here because Pekin is so they have
such ability to enforce their traffic laws that if you're
texting with your phone in your hand, they will give you a
ticket.
So we have a short coming up on that, you know, courthouse pot
shop.
But uh the main story, check out that video that I did on it.
It's the real deep dive where I it was good encrypted.
Yeah, did you like the because like no, it was around it was it
was yeah, and so everyone's just like everyone's just moving, and
like I'm not even I'm just sitting down, and so like I'll
turn it off.
But like when we were fucking with the gimbal, um we would
turn it off and like it would just like stroke out.
So hopefully I don't need to turn that on next time, and I'll
just do it and use it as my holder, but still I think good
views.
Uh, they they tried to say that you couldn't, you know, have it
uh get monetized, and we appealed and we won.
But uh, this had to do with nothing about the plant and
everything about the law, which is bizarre when you think about
where we are in cannabis legalization in 2026.
Like hemp is being put back in the closet, and then cannabis is
being like kind of paraded out as the new uh even the federal
government will defend it as being legal.
Uh, and so like they they had this wonderful brief that the
Department of Justice uh wrote against uh Sam and the NADSA, I
believe.
I think that's the National Association of the Drug and
Alcohol Screening, or maybe the National Drug and Alcohol
Screening Association.
So, like, you know, yeah, their profits from you peeing in a cup
is not why we have the Controlled Substances Act.
We have the Controlled Substances Act to regulate
dangerous drugs, and um the the Attorney General has the right
to ensure that we are okay with our uh treaty obligations, which
is hilarious that for the past 65 years, so for 100% of the
DEA's and the CSA's you know tenure uh uh with this drug
treaty uh that we have from 1961, schedule one was fine, but
now schedule three is fine according to them, and they're
gonna defend it and they're gonna say we're gonna have the
we have the right to do it, uh, which is great.
You know, you're reading this and you're like, man, the United
States government is uh advocating for like more legal
weed in a court filing.
SPEAKER_01: What a time to be alive.
Well, and I thought when I was watching your video with with
the spasm, uh uh that's what gave me great insight, dude.
Was uh uh you're pointing out that the government is saying,
like, we made this rule initially for the betterment of
everybody overall.
It wasn't to like private prisons, right?
This has just been a a continuous, like a domino of
profiteering off of a bad law.
SPEAKER_00: It's similar to what happened in the hemp industry.
And so, yes, I shouldn't be comparing the drug testing
industry to the hemp industry, but it's essentially the same
thing.
There's a regulatory moat that's paraded out and uh business
interests that you know cling to that moat.
And provided that moat doesn't change, that the law doesn't
change, you have a pretty stable, predictable cash flow.
Um, now, like I I don't like that for the drug testing
industry or for like the hemp industry that's going to just
say, like, well, we get to sell all this stuff online without
any restrictions, and oh, marijuana's still schedule one.
But now that it's getting into schedule three, marijuana is uh
great, and that hemp's going back to being rope.
Great.
Like, we're going to see policy changes for cannabis users over
the next decade, similar to how they now have gun rights.
In the future, they should have even more rights, and eventually
truckers will be able to use it.
They oversee their Tesla bot that's doing the driving.
SPEAKER_01: Shit.
But this is this is the path to legalization, right?
This is like, you know, I as I like I always say, you know, I
as I was championing when I had hair, I didn't know what that
what I was asking for or how to get there, you know, like like
like these are nickel night be nice if Congress decided to like
give healthcare and legalization, but yeah, you
know, this rule process, and and and it's just crazy to to it is
the upside down right now, where you know we are the worst
people, I guess.
As it's weird that we celebrate the 250th, but like you know, as
I think about our store and the uh the significance of that
town, like it's a historic town of early Americana, right?
Of all the right and wrong that we have to acknowledge, and like
they're embracing us, man.
Like they asked us to be a part of it, like to run a business,
and you know, uh, it's fucking progress.
But um, and again, thinking about what you were saying, how
the DOJ uh is arguing for like you know, uh the law wasn't
intended to create jobs.
SPEAKER_00: Well, not those jobs, the law wasn't intended to
create like uh a regulatory cash flow for the drug testing
industry, and then there's another one, like MMJ is one of
the other plaintiffs that's trying to sue to stop it.
They don't have any patented drugs, they don't have any
FDA-approved drugs.
Um, they just have like a novel drug uh application that's
pending, and so like it that may or may not get granted.
And so, like these people are saying, like, hey, I now have to
compete with state licensed marijuana medical marijuana
companies.
Well, what drug are you selling?
Well, I'm not selling any drug, I I have my my application in to
sell it.
SPEAKER_01: Okay, the uh MJ MJ MJ holdings, you're talking
about the ones that always have like the fire press release,
always bitching about like the law.
SPEAKER_00: Maybe, but it was like uh the MMJ party in that
filing.
Oh it's one of the plaintiffs to stop uh the states and by the
federal government, I mean the state, to uh enact their their
uh April 23rd scheduling order, which you know uh they're
listing them on the stock market, uh they're the medical
companies, Georgia's moving forward.
I think you're gonna see more liberalization, maybe Safe
Banking Act passes, but maybe it doesn't need to, and then you
have schedule three, and then hopefully Congress does
something, but like they might not because they haven't done it
for yet.
So if they haven't done it yet, why would they do it next?
But again, the the DEA is protecting fucking scheduling
three, right?
SPEAKER_01: Like it's just what the rescheduling hearing is it's
defending how this new like legalization essentially,
because this is the path to it, you know.
Next will be descheduling, no shit.
That's what we all want.
But like you're gonna have this uh something that has existed
with with the past hundred years under this like stigma and these
uh uh you know just misunderstandings of the actual
like what the plant does.
It's like the law itself.
When everybody I see people in the chat talking about like, oh,
I just ordered from an online dispensary.
I'm sorry, bro.
You did not.
I mean, because there's no transportation, there's no state
doing any of these, like well, New Mexico.
I stand I they do deliveries, but like I haven't seen any
other states that have this like crossing state line type
scenario, except for him.
And you're buying now, probably someone's stock that they're
trying to get rid of, right?
Like baseball's already had issues when it was like good,
supposedly, right?
Now you're trying to get rid of like, oh shit, November's coming
up four months, you know.
SPEAKER_00: Well, the online dispensaries you can buy online
at our dispensary and pay with your bank card, but you have to
come pick it up at our dispensary, right?
It's but like the those types of payment solutions will continue
to ease.
The the interesting thing about schedule three, as it's not an
FDA-approved drug, is you're gonna have this federal
compliance, non-compliance, and so you still won't be able to do
like we won't be able to put it in order from a grower in come
Humboldt County to stock our shelves, right?
Like that goes outside the bounds of the statute, and then
also you can't put a schedule three drug into interstate
commerce unless it's been FDA approved and cannabis hasn't,
and it's not gonna be.
SPEAKER_01: Well, and isn't the the hemp game now gonna be
shifting to the CMS shit, right?
SPEAKER_00: Like this it's gonna be go back to CBD.
And so, like, remember when like they had the CBD boop, yeah,
bomb.
And so, like, that's that's what gave birth to Delta 8, because
the they had the oversupply of the CBD.
You might see the same thing.
CBD Slack might get taken up because of the CMS, but I don't
know how successful, I don't know how much CBD they're gonna
move because of the CMS.
Still, the the the more important story on this one,
though, and this unfortunately comes from like uh firsthand um
witnesses uh because they have not released the transcripts and
they have not like live streamed this at all.
However, uh the government's first witness, FDA scientist Dr.
Chiapperino, totally butchered that, and that's what you get.
You don't open it up, so we can't understand how these
people pronounce their names.
Then they walked through the 2023 eight-factor analysis,
testify the cannabis is fewer overdose deaths and competitors
and withdrawal symptoms similar to tobacco, which I find to be
um inaccurate.
Uh, anyway, and then they explained why they tried to drop
the old five-part Camove test down to its two-part, and they
had a whole hour on that.
Uh, and the DEA objections that his witnesses were speculative
or outside that FDA's witness TUI authorization.
So, yeah, the DEA is just as supportive as the DOJ uh as to
their Schedule III marijuana, which is quite welcoming.
So are we done now until we wait for the uh decision?
No, it there's gonna be more hearings on it, and so like all
the evidentiary hearings will wrap up in 10 days, and around
July 15th, they may wrap up a little earlier, they may wrap up
a little later, and then they uh will as expeditiously as
possible write up their findings, present them to the
DEA administrator, who then should, as expeditiously as
possible, uh you know, authorize a final rule rescheduling
marijuana and sending it out to the publication in the federal
register.
SPEAKER_01: Nice, nice.
SPEAKER_00: I mean, in meanwhile, states are shaping
up, like you know, and I think people are gonna get mad at us,
but uh and actually we probably should talk about that in about
after the following minute because uh we have to probably
like you know understand that they also testified that weed is
safer than alcohol and opioids.
Oh, yes, yeah, that was pretty sweet.
That's pretty dope.
And uh ALJ Julius is gonna be the one that's there.
Um, seeing whether the two part or the five-part fight is
correct.
But uh again, that Camus aspect has to do with uh the DHS's
findings, and that science is binding on DEA.
Where is my pen?
It's time for another delicious memo.
It is 20 past the hour.
Well, one thing I'm really stoked about is I actually was
able to have enough time to do a video this week, which I hadn't
had in weeks.
But now that the store is open, I don't have to like I was
painting a sign today.
That's what I was doing before I got here, I was painting a sign.
But um, I'll have more time to do uh more videos, and what are
the bits that we'll be able to do on that has to do with the
business collateral base and the the uh uh consulting services
that we can help provide to your dispensary.
SPEAKER_01: Look at me putting some uh applause.
I'm excited to do this.
Store's amazing.
I think I think you're gonna do well.
Uh, you know, this is just part of the PAP and what we have to
work with right now.
Uh yeah, it's not fair.
But with that being said, Pretzard has uh you know signed
the uh bans that still intoxicating hemp to miners,
bolsters equity and oversight in the cannabis.
So, I mean, it doesn't really ban sales though, right?
SPEAKER_00: In Illinois overall, it doesn't, it doesn't, and so
it's in line with the feds, and so it bans underage sales right
now.
So now all the hempsters do have to card you, and you have to be
21.
But then after November 12th, uh it changes the definition of
hemp to be what the federal definition of hemp is going to
be.
And then you'd have to buy intoxicating cannabinoids from
licensed vendors.
SPEAKER_01: You know, I want to feel bad for these folks, but
it's just again, you've been selling it as Aza and like TAC
full spectrum, wink, wink, nod, nod.
You know, that's it's bad enough.
We got to do it already with our regulators as it is, let alone
you know again.
Make your bag as I always said, but that bag was closing, that
was inevitable because there's one plant, and so if you're
making it for consumption purposes, people think it'll
want rules, you know.
Like it's an agriculture product, right?
It's not it's not a vitamin, it's it's uh it's more corn and
tomatoes, right?
And then, of course, the the fun time.
SPEAKER_00: That's that's what it was supposed to be.
It was supposed to be an agricultural commodity, not a
finished good product that you consume.
So, uh, next like how many people are just you know, you
saw that corn and soybeans where we're at.
Nobody just goes into the farms, like you know, the the our uh
agricultural commodity farms and just pulls out some corn and
starts eating it, or soybean.
No, it's inputs, it's it's something that then becomes a
finished good, uh after time, but you know, agricultural
commodities.
SPEAKER_01: Well, we're gonna be talking about like the the the
hemp still busts that are happening.
I mean, uh my point being is the rules so far, the farm bill
hasn't made it safe and and good for all.
I mean, it it it might have helped some really smart people
who push the edge, but then if you didn't say, if you didn't,
if you didn't uh you know uh plan, uh this is what you're
getting.
But uh yeah, because the FDA approved cannabis, right?
This is a this is a opinion piece.
Why schedule three means operators must prepare for
pharmaceutical grade MMJ.
Now, I think you know, people are scared by words, like no,
you know, psychoactive, but and again, pharmaceutical grade, you
know, it's still an agriculture product, it's still gonna be
grown in dirt, and you know, it's gonna be the cleanliness of
the process, right?
SPEAKER_00: An advertisement, but this is an advertisement for
um her business, and so like yeah, it's uh well I just think
it was just like it popped to my feed of like it's coming, right?
SPEAKER_01: Like nothing, nothing to delay the the the
trying to like uh they already got CMS, they don't they don't
care about your your Friday night, and this is why this
these rules are so important, you know.
SPEAKER_00: Every state had a buy-by medical, it's but it's
hilarious that like look at the bring that bring that report
back up and look at they're selling thca while they're
selling her consulting services to create more of a uh medical
regulated you know area of what schedule three is gonna be.
You got that back up, and so then scroll down and then see
like it's like you know, here's this person who's gonna say that
they think it's going to be more like uh a pharmacy and less like
you know, going to buy regular, keep scrolling down.
I want you to see that national holistic you know healing
center, that's great, but there it is, and that's what this is
really about.
Uh quarter bound 99.
Um, uh you know, they really care about you, they do, they
care about whether or not you are getting good policy.
No, they don't.
They they're selling you hemp, calling it the THCA.
So they're selling you weed, calling it hemp, and somebody
else is probably the sponsoring content to explain how you need
to get ready for a hyper-regulated future schedule
three world where bud tenders are actually pharmacy techs.
Uh, it's not that there's any big difference between the two.
Uh, so that's the you know, GDP compliance.
That's probably a GDP compliance.
How much can we sell a GDP compliance product for?
That's really the thing that you should try to operationalize and
then sell it to 15,000 dispensaries and approximately
that many producer-processor licenses nationwide.
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, the thing about compliance, dude,
because you know, this is the industry I work in, it's it's
not cheap, and and you just gotta be willing to like like
unfortunately in some states, auditors aren't like trying to
help encourage the business.
I believe that's part of the the ID FR's like statement, right?
Aren't they supposed to like help the actual industry?
SPEAKER_00: Well, Missouri definitely does, but um, but
right there's you can't create a regulatory scheme designed to
fail.
That that's just too cruel and arbitrary and capricious.
SPEAKER_01: But this is I would think like you would want
success in all your markets, right?
Like what what what who wins in in like stimming the the the
industry, right?
Or styming, I was gonna say stimulating.
I'm just saying we're slowing it down though, right?
Like who who who who wins?
Nobody, you know, besides the the people that we were arguing
about before who uh don't need uh you know of importance, the
the PP people, uh prisons, you know.
Uh uh, there's so many organizations that have
benefited from prohibition from ignorance that uh you know,
we're getting there, and it needs to be identified as
medicine and rescheduled.
SPEAKER_00: Well go ahead.
The the the edibles and the other things, perhaps, but
there's a way that a an FDA approves a drug, and the novelty
on these cannabinoids just isn't there.
Uh, and so I I think it's not going to be as pharma, big
pharma style as people think.
I think it's going to I think it's gonna be regulated, I think
it's gonna like you know, purity and testing.
So the the flower that we have in Illinois, where that stuff
had to pass, like you know, and it's very highly controlled.
That's what I think the future is.
SPEAKER_01: More than you know, we have a patent on this, you're
not gonna get 100 stuff that's I mean, when are we gonna get so
like you know, here's the Justice Department release from
April places FDA approved marijuana products, but where
are these FDA-approved marijuana?
You know, like when is FDA gonna come through?
What's it how many months have you been past the the deadline?
SPEAKER_00: The FDA has to that that's a different deadline.
That deadline was from the November bill where we're
supposed to get a list of cannabinoids and their
understanding of what a container is and where you can
get like intoxication from it.
We haven't gotten anywhere close to that.
Okay, and then there's how you approve an FDA approved drug.
Um, that is uh somewhat of a novelty to the cannabis
industry, uh, and the people that have done it have.
Done it successfully, as far as I'm aware.
SPEAKER_01: Like what what what's successful for you?
SPEAKER_00: Is it just the writing of getting an FDA
approval for a drug?
So, like epidilex is that actual plant derived C D right?
Um, marinol that I know isn't that's not from the plant.
That's that is a synthetic THC.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: But well, I mean again, we've we've discussed how
like the bio is a new kind of like under their governance,
right?
SPEAKER_00: Like they have to create new rules for this plant
for the flower, where organic it's it's two different laws,
and so like there's a controlled substance act, and that's how we
are trying to legalize it, and then there's the food, drug, and
cosmetics act, and that's how you uh approve drugs to be able
to place them into the food supply or into interstate
commerce.
But like that, what I mean is like so, like this is medicine,
right?
This is right, but I think the best way forward for that being
recognized by that other law is amendment, like the the thing
that they have set up where the FDA we could always revisit the
FDA and what a drug is.
I mean, that that law is technically older than the other
law, that's also like pretty arcane, the Controlled
Substances Act.
So that's from like 54 years ago.
The Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act is like from like a hundred
years ago and then like revised in their 30s, I want to say.
So it's still like older than the 70s.
Um, we don't pass drugs like that really anymore.
Like we didn't we didn't have the ability to like simulate
tens of thousands of drugs like we did for the COVID vaccine and
whatnot.
So if we want to update the FDA and like fix the marijuana issue
for interstate commerce, all for it.
SPEAKER_01: Well, my my my my question really being is so like
how do we get to the point where like K hemp they bypassed all
these rules, they were able to be in gas stations, right?
And like there needs to be new rules that for legit like an
aspirin, but like for a plant-based flour, that like how
do we get to the point where because it's gonna be new that
FDA government typically dietary supplements, like is that what
it would be like considered uh no, because you have the the
controlled substances act that says it's a scheduled drug,
right?
SPEAKER_00: And there's this many penalties, and so like this
really is something for Congress to fix.
Uh, but then would it be a controlled drug, like a you
know, schedule three?
Is it ketamine?
No, it's still not really ketamine, but uh it's more it's
more similar to like you know, if you had um an herbal
supplement, it's usually like a root or or some type of plant,
right?
That's powdered or maybe extracted.
I mean, that's what kratom is.
And kratom became that 07 where they took the active ingredient
that was in the plant and said very same.
Um, that's what you have with cannabis.
You have a natural plant that has particular elements that are
in there, and then you know, how do you regulate it?
Would you regulate it like an herbal supplement?
Probably not, because it's psychoactive.
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, isn't there like levels to
dysregulation too?
Because you got the plant itself, but then you got the
possibility of like if I squeeze it really, really hard and I had
super heat strength, I could like make rosin, right?
Like, and then, or if I was chemically inclined, I could
drop into a machine after it was all grounded up and then get
some sort of extract.
So, like, aren't those post regulation as well?
Like, that's easier to there's none of that though.
SPEAKER_00: There's no there's no rules on it.
There's rules on it at a state level, but there's really no
rules at a federal level.
This is one of the reasons why, like, you can see what the
limits of Congress's and the the um administrative powers are, so
that you know you can really see the interplay of like Article I
and Article II of our constitution in in the federal
uh cannabis policies.
There's there's no rules there, but then the states have a lot
of the rules, and so who's going to try to make the rules at the
federal level?
Well, right now it seems like it's gonna be the administration
through the rulemaking process of DEA.
But at any time, Congress could be like, you know what, we let's
do our job here, and we're going to move this to here, we're
gonna redo how the FDA does its drugs, but I just don't think
they have the appetite or the ability right now.
I mean, it's July 4th.
Every single one of them was walking in a parade yesterday,
every single person running for Congress.
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, for that to happen though, you would
need somebody with like deep, deep, deep pockets.
Uh uh, hey soros.
But like you would need someone around the country, yeah.
Right, right.
But like, like, like as I'm saying, that that makes that
phone call and be like, hey, today we're just gonna talk
about the you know, working on the the path to legalization.
Like, let's let's get a rule for the GMP certification.
It's like, hey, look at corn and just make it like that or
whatever.
SPEAKER_00: But like no one, I think too much benefit.
You need a lobby.
I think like getting getting it to schedule three so that you
don't have tax liability out the ass.
All right, so you get it to schedule three, the tax
liability drops off.
You get hemp out of the way so that it becomes extremely
regulated.
Hemp becomes like prescription drug style regulated, where you
have full spectrum CBD or something like that, but that
might need to be a statutorily defined, not a um, you know, I
mean, you said maybe chance.
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like I I just consider it all cannabis,
like that's I think where people get confused as well, thinking
some people are pushing limits and packing in the mail, right?
Or they did, and and now it's been accepted, but but you know,
other people who don't even want to go through any testing to
like prove that they're doing the right thing, uh, are still
gonna do it, you know.
And then and I think it's kind of like how you said about the
corn.
It's like I was thinking, like, I don't see any like none of my
friends moonshine or whatever.
I don't know anybody that fucking you know, craft beer.
I just go to a store and buy it or coffees.
I mean, I actually knew one guy who roasts his own beans, but
like that's a thing that's an option, that's esoteric, yeah.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, you know, like brews his own beer or
or roasts his own coffee or like distills his own moonshine, that
esoteric thing, and then like why would you do it?
Because it's gonna take time and equipment, uh, and and you're
probably gonna suck at it, or you can go buy a bottle, or
let's buy some eighth, you know.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be consistent.
I mean, again, when I sold weed, it was Mexican brickweed, so it
was I don't really have the integrity of going like, I'm not
gonna sell bad weed.
It's just I am fortunate enough that we don't sell bad weed.
Like, I was everything I smoked at the shop, was was it was
delicious.
In the meantime, though, Arizona though was trying to uh Arizona
anti-marijuana campaign drops effort to put legalization roll
back on the ballot.
So uh again, they're fighting every you know, they're every
once in a while.
Uh, who's the other state, Rhode Island?
SPEAKER_00: That uh sample state was Massachusetts, yeah.
But there's easiest states to become a ballot initiative, and
a ballot initiative is a wonderful press release
opportunity.
Uh, it's therefore you get on the ballot and then you send
multiple press releases, and then you take your donor money,
you say, Thank you.
We are gonna stop this terrible, terrible thing called marijuana
that's dangerous and brain damaging, brought to you by a
pea in the cup, pee in the cup, your at-home weed testing
solution.
Um and and that's that's kind of like the the problem.
And right, so right now you have this, and that's like our lead
story was with the Department of Justice defending against Sam
and NADSA, like the uh the pea in the cup people, saying, like,
this was never like your slush fund, this was never designed to
be uh guaranteed profit cash flows for you.
Uh this was designed for regulating uh public health.
And and so then it's just it'll be very, very interesting to see
that play out.
But if that lobby goes away and a new lobby comes to town that
is no longer being onerously taxed, and it's schedule three
and it's cannabis regulated, safe, clean, healthy.
Okay, fine.
We can't, we won't, we won't put the word healthy on there, but
safe, clean, and regulated, we will.
Uh and and then if they have like clear definitions, like
this is full spectrum done, you know, that that's what goes into
CMS.
Everything else they they would consider marijuana.
Now it's the only and so like at Congress they could fix that,
but I don't know if DEA could make up the term full spectrum
CBD or full spectrum hemp and and schedule it or or or or
create it out of whole cloth like that.
SPEAKER_01: I just wish the perception was this is one
plant, and then like you know, the the the hemp debate is just
like that is low TAC, uh not grown for its cabinoid purposes,
but meant for industrial strictly, you know.
But that that's it, and that would be great because that
would save the planet opposed to like the bullshit we got now.
Uh, you know, it's it's not good.
Well, and again, as these rules shape, we have this uh this news
story about a raid, it just ruined my life, Phoenix Man
Seuss after MCSO raid claims constitutional rights are
violated.
So, you know, this these hemp rules and and even the present
legalization is not helping anybody, like like we need
federal, uh you know, flat, even, straightforward, and
people are gonna bitch again, just like uh uh that the ad,
right?
Because there's big words being used, but compliance is the the
key, right?
Like, like compliance is just you have the best intent for
your consumer, right?
You're gonna have recalls, you're gonna, you're gonna uh uh
there'll be recourse for things, not so much for him, you know.
I'm looking at you, base folks, right?
Like they legit sold shitty shit, like uh, but that's kind
of the drop shipping thing, even like the Chris Four pointy
blazer was like, he commits, he's like, I'm a drop shipper,
whatever, right?
SPEAKER_00: Like, right in the end, even like we are drop
shippers as a store, we're not a drop shippers, like drop
shipping implies that like you don't even you don't even have a
warehouse, you just have an online checkout form to a
certain extent.
Like, we have a location, we're a brick and mortar.
You can if you buy online, you still have to pick up in store,
right?
SPEAKER_01: Right, we can't ship it.
SPEAKER_00: Nothing's getting mailed to you, bro.
Nothing getting mailed to you, bro.
Was my second choice for the dispensary's name.
SPEAKER_01: But we don't agree with this.
This is why we we need real rules, so we can like send it to
you, or you or we can take your credit card, which right now we
can only take your bank card, right?
Not not the credit card.
Uh, but like this is what we got.
You and I in Pekin, Illinois, you know, drop to you how much
to renovate and be in accordance with how many cameras?
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 32.
But I mean, that's that we'll we'll get more people to come
out.
Uh, you know, it takes time to build that uh audience.
It was strange today that a lot of um people that came through
were from out of state, which was weird.
Well, make it the next station.
I think right now is a travel, and so right now is travel
because it's the end of the July 4th holiday, so a lot of people
were going north or south or east or west.
And as a result, we had you know some people in from out of
state.
I'm like, good news, limits doubled.
Ask your butt tender through that.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01: Well, again, just being across in the courthouse,
too.
I love people watching out front, like uh, just sitting at
the the little lobby area.
Um, it's a neat spot, man.
I I dig it.
Uh next story coming out of normal is uh a study on cannabis
inhalation associated with long-term pain relief, opioid
sparing effects in patients with treatments, resistance, and
lower back.
You know, it's a it's medicine.
SPEAKER_00: Well, yes, but it's not up to you approved medicine.
And so when you have medicine versus when you have herbal
supplements, you're not really allowed to make any claims about
an herbal supplement.
But medicines very often have, you know, camus, which is
commonly accepted medical use, uh not necessarily for its
efficaciousness, but typically because it works.
And so they they don't have a way to make marijuana medicine
really under the law, even with the schedule three shit.
Sure.
Like, you know, now it's just it's a schedule three drug, but
it's not FDA approved, so you still can't put it into the uh
interstate commerce.
They've they've still created this uh conflict of federal law
policy, which would be great if Congress would do its job and
just create like a medical marijuana rubric that it has the
interplay for all of these.
SPEAKER_01: What is the issue for not fitting under Cambu?
I mean, like I was thinking at first it's because it fits so
many elements, but thinking in regular commercials, uh you
know, I'm sure there's like specific, like like Botox, you
know, it has many purposes.
SPEAKER_00: So, like, how do you label use?
And so, but then if it's already approved for something else, off
label use can happen a certain way.
Maybe I should just become an FDA like regulatory lawyer.
I bet that's probably pretty lucrative, more lucrative than
selling weed.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, does it have to be proven that it works like
for one thing?
SPEAKER_00: It's already been proven for lacoma has to be FDA
approved, and the FDA approval process is a particular regime.
But even under what's the uh the program from the 70s that uh uh
LV Musk was part of that uh oh that that got shut down in the
early 90s, but that was another congressional act and the
innovative novel drug therapy or something like you know, that
experimental plan, yeah.
They shut it down uh in '91.
And so they can make laws more restrictive.
Can they make them better?
That's that's the one thing, you know.
Can we make our tax laws better and easier so they aren't like
ridiculous?
And then can we make our uh our drug laws better?
SPEAKER_01: Well, again, there's federal patients, so doesn't
that go for anything?
Doesn't that account for uh the status?
But uh anyways, hey uh Pennsylvania Democratic Senators
put pressure on GOP to allow a vote on legalizing marijuana.
Those guys are just behind the mark, dude.
I thought Pennsylvania was way better.
SPEAKER_00: Nope, they are a swing state.
Uh swing states is where legislative cannabis
legalization goes to die.
It's true.
Like all the swing states that have legislative legalization um
measures.
For example, uh, you have Pennsylvania, you have
Wisconsin.
Uh those two in in particular are swing states.
And and so the Republicans, it's them this time.
Sorry, uh Democrats who, you know, like may not want to
legalize it, uh, are the ones that are usually obstructing it.
And then they can never agree on how to do it.
SPEAKER_01: That's it's so funny though.
Like, like maybe we should do a campaign about how cannabis is
the most American thing out there, right?
Like we just did a 250, but the cannabis industry in America
specifically, right?
There are no being in state markets, there are no like uh
out of country products, right?
It's grown locally, uh uh local workers, you know, uh local
transports.
Uh I imagine like your packaging on the probably a lot of guys
people about China, but the the the main complainers are
American.
SPEAKER_00: So like well, except for curly, but you know,
whatever.
SPEAKER_01: Is that the Russian oily girls?
Maybe that's not the one we have in our store, are they?
SPEAKER_00: No, we have none of their products.
Okay, so we can talk shit.
Not that there's anything wrong with their products.
No, that's all you got.
SPEAKER_01: A uh marijuana companies seek to defend Trump's
rescheduling move by intervening in opponent's lawsuit.
unknown: Yep.
SPEAKER_01: So is that what you're talking about from the
beginning, right?
SPEAKER_00: Where this actually might be the exact same lawsuit.
Uh I didn't dig into I didn't have the capacity uh to dig into
this story uh with the week that I've had, but maybe next week
I'll dig into it.
But uh, if that is the same lawsuit now, the like one of the
reasons, and we talked about this, you know, when it happened
uh a few months ago, I said, watch these people, and by these
people, I mean these medical marijuana companies are going to
fill out this form because then I think they would have standing
to prevent anybody from trying to enjoin.
And so the the the normal, uh not normal, the the SAM and the
NDSA uh, you know, a petition to enjoin the Schedule Three, I
could see that that means that's the only thing it could be.
And so I'm assuming that it has to be the same lawsuit.
Sure.
So and then you get them in there, and so they also oppose
the injunctive relief being sought by SAM and NADSA.
Uh they want to continue the laws because now we've been
uplisted as well, and so we've been uplisted.
So, like, you know, you're gonna clearly harm us as opposed to I
might get a drug approved, somebody in our roles might
decide to not do drug testing if this happens.
SPEAKER_01: You smoke a lot of weed in law school, don't you?
SPEAKER_00: I did smoke a lot of weed in law school.
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying the way the rules work, it's fucking
so asinight of me, but you know, and I think like once so, like I
think rescheduling is the first step to re-legalization, right?
This is the the path to like the deschedulement, and and and when
we get to that point of like uh real legalization, we won't have
stories like this where the Coast Guard recovers bell of
marijuana from Gulf waters, right?
We're not recovering bells and whiskey, you know, off the gulf.
SPEAKER_00: Is that going in or out?
I mean, that's the thing where with because like the cannabis
in America is much better like than the cannabis worldwide in
Canada uh and like other countries, Canada and maybe like
you know, uh Colombia would be like, Oh, I don't think so.
But you think Florida's kind of like that, they're shipping top
five.
You think Florida's hustling out?
I think that's what it is, you know.
Like they come in with their square grouper full of cocaine,
and our square grouper is full of you know, OG Kush.
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like they didn't say the quality, they
didn't say the bell was worth 10 bajillion dollars, so I don't
know what you know, right?
Because they overpriced the cost of working.
SPEAKER_00: Well, now like the cops really have the ability to
to have a spot price.
Whereas so if the cops ever try to like say, ah, you were doing
all this much, this much in marijuana, and you'd be like,
Your honor, no, like that that that is just completely
speculation.
Uh, here's the spot price of this this fungible agricultural
commodity.
In this area, it would go for this much, they've overstated it
by five times.
How much more can you believe of them if they are going if
they're willing to lie five times about the value of what
was at stake?
What else would they uh exaggerate or um embellish upon?
SPEAKER_01: Dude, we are a long way from the high time stock
market.
They used to come out once a month.
You know, like to actually know like what and those prices are
pretty good.
I ain't gonna lie, like they're pretty like that was most
people's negotiating rate, right?
Like, yeah, uh but not anymore.
Now you can walk in a store, look at the menu in the back
wall, uh that's right across the street from a courthouse or a
certain county, and we're not even the problem on the block.
SPEAKER_00: The bar behind us.
SPEAKER_01: That's a lovely people.
That was a lovely bar.
Very rough crowd, but like it, you know, the the city.
Of course, I when I was there, dude, you know, the the fact
that like God focused all his hate on just that area for the
heat.
So damn, you know, coming from Seattle in humid.
And we solved issues too.
Like, like that's the thing about like legalization that we
have now.
Uh you know, being the brick and mortar, you know, you you're
going through these aches and pains.
You know, this is real time.
Tom's coming at you, not from somebody who who read about it,
but as someone who's doing it.
That's kind of the hard thing, too, right?
Like, you know, you're living your story.
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, most most lawyers um are operators,
and most of them also don't have like a following.
Uh, but uh some do, and then they they do very well.
Uh and so sometimes when I'm up at night, I'm like, well, I
could have just been hustling on the law.
Probably probably would have been easier to make the money,
and there might have been more of it.
But this is pretty cool, like you know, when it comes down to
um having the ability to see the the business running and then
understanding your clients from a better perspective.
But uh we got that sign painted, so it's gonna go back up.
I I did that before I came over.
So like uh we'll we'll soon have the the rear signage, and then
once all the signage is up, we'll do a post on the channel
uh of the of the shop.
SPEAKER_01: I can't wait, dude.
I can't wait.
SPEAKER_00: Is it we have so much but we really don't show
the the the because because like YouTube hates like they're
probably gonna 18 plus this one, they shouldn't.
This is complete education, it's a freaking master's course.
It is an educational aspect, but still, um yeah, they they might
they might 18 plus it, but then uh if we put up like pictures of
the shop, uh they probably totally then because like you
showed people where to buy the stuff, yeah.
But then if we had a bar and we took pictures of our bar and put
it up, would you give a shit?
SPEAKER_01: That's the hard part about this this uh plant.
It's always about someone else's opinion, too, right?
About the law, the shadow banning, the well, you know, it
hemp blew up so fast just because it's legal it wasn't in
that, it wasn't in that trap, yeah.
SPEAKER_00: And so, like they they were able to blow up that
fast.
And hopefully, as our trap gets like walked back, we at least
get per uh parity with like the alcohol industry.
Yeah, I mean that's that's the only thing that's gonna happen,
even though we're gambling.
I want parity with gambling, those people run shit because
like they can say basically say whatever, they have online ads,
they're just driving people to bankruptcy, and we are gladly
allowing it.
SPEAKER_01: Nah, but you know, you can't really associate or
because can't cannabis is safer than all that, you know.
So, but hey, canvas safer than uh fireworks.
I hope everybody had a great fourth.
I hope everybody had a great fourth, yeah.
Yeah, did you blow anything off?
Uh maybe no, we went downtown to uh uh top of a building to to uh
see fireworks, but we're disappointed because our plan
didn't go as well, but it was still a lovely day.
Uh you know, right now we're getting a reprieve from the
weather, uh, so it's nice.
So 70 degrees, perfect.
Yeah, that's perfect.
Not 90, feeling like 105.
SPEAKER_00: Let's see what we got out here in 85.
So it's like 10 degrees cooler.
Uh we're still I can stay there.
The the AC is much better, uh, and it's much more comfortable
in the dispensary.
The lectern comes tomorrow for additional signage.
I mean, like, people are like, why does your dispensary have a
lectern?
Well, it needs one, and and we we have this large space, and so
um, I think next we'll be uh building out the educational
area, and then we could do um recipes for cookies with uh you
know full spectrum hash oil because like we sell RSO.
So instead of like doing the magic butter machine, no, buy a
gram of RSO and then we'll uh do some math with it, uh, put that
on special.
Let's see, with the other like how to roll a joint.
Like maybe like if somebody's like really good at rolling
joints, we could have that person come in and like give us
a clinic, and then we would record it and put it on these
here YouTube, and then watch it get 18 plus.
It's like, why?
It's educational.
The whole video was called how to do this.
It wasn't like we put, I mean, the the dispensary's so large
and shit.
We get like Ben and Cam there, which they would never do, and
and then we could like have my dis I built a secret room in my
dispensary because like if any dispensary you can build a
secret room on, it's one that's 12,000 square feet.
SPEAKER_01: Dude, I think it's a beast.
Yeah, no, it's a pleasure.
Can't wait to share the journey more with more people, you know.
SPEAKER_00: Like right.
You're doing it.
Right.
Yeah.
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