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Speaker 1: Tenth, two thousand and seven. We're going to talk about

what's going on at the New World Airport with Bill's able.

He's with me on the other end of the line.

But before we get to Bill, a couple of things.

One with regard to yesterday's show with Dave from nine

to eleven blimp dot Net. I completely blew that completely

blue doing a pre record with him, and very unprofessional.

My fault. He's graciously seated to come on Tuesday, will

knock out the grass. You know, we'll postpone that and

we'll get to Dave. He's got some stuff that you

need to hear. And like I said, you know that

was my fault. Also, some of you have asked questions

about the hawk whose photo is on my line three

sixty five page. Just to let you know, that is

a magnificent female red shoulder hawk that perches on a

limb just outside the window of my wife's office. It's

in northeast Tampa. It's adjacent to a number of parks

that chain up to the county line and to where

we live in Pascoe County. And it's an extraordinarily large

female And if maybe i'll put a close up of

it later on when you can take a look and

it's just just what a creature. Okay, so that's a

deal on the Hawk. That is not my busy key.

Now getting to our guests. Bill's Abel from the Great

State of Colorado, which gets stranger by the minute. Thanks

for coming back to the grasenail. Bill, Oh, thank you

for having me on. All right, well, I appreciate you

coming on. I want to set up also that that

much of what we'll talk about is embodied in a DVD.

The information was collated by Bill Bixler. I guess the

presentation was that also of Bill Bixler.

Speaker 2: He gave it to Bill.

Speaker 1: It's Bob Bixler, isn't it Bob? Yeah, yeah, I'll get

too many das to little time. Bob Dixler gave it

to Bill. Bill has made a DVD of it. We're

going to refer to a twenty two minute clip later

in the show we're going to do. It was half

of eleven minutes where a construction worker talks about what

went on at the DA or the NWA, depending on

what you want to call it, in the construction phase.

And also, Bill, you were someone who well by virtue

of living in Colorado and close to where the airport is,

has watched all that's gone on prior to, during, and

after the construction of the New World Airport.

Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it was pretty intimately involved because like everyone else,

I didn't think we needed the airport and I didn't

want to spend the money.

Speaker 1: Well, was there anything wrong with Stapleton?

Speaker 2: Was it was it being outgrown or there was a

lot of rumors and political essays, But you know, I

read the FA reports and even the City of Denver

engineers report. The only thing they said was that if

they wanted to expand Stapleton to handle additional airline carriers.

Speaker 1: Or flights, they would have to.

Speaker 2: Do so by expanding out onto the Arsenal. And they

didn't like the idea at the time because there was

still chemical contamination out there and they would have to

have a massive cleanup and EPA study done. The fact

is that's been done already and now there's shopping malls

out there on the arsenal. Their excuses were pretty flimsy anyways,

as far as the thing like the cost benefit, Stapleton

was really handling everything buying from a financial point of view.

I mean, the airport was paid off. The expansive work

that they had done in nineteen eighty two was almost

paid for. They'd almost paid off all that work. And

the FBA, City of Denver and the Airline Pilots Association

had admitted publicly when they started the rumors about building

DI eight that the flights coming into Denver were actually

going down, and they've been steadily going down since that time.

Speaker 1: Well, you know, when they want to do something, there

is always the reason and the real reason.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and that seems like it's another.

Speaker 1: Case of that. As far as now, did they have

to did they raise bonds amongst the people to finance that?

Speaker 2: Yes. In fact, the majority of the expenses for the

airport were handled through bonds. The federal government only gave

them six hundred and sixty five million dollars in what's

called through the Airport Improvement Program or AIP, which has

been an effect since the early sixties. They had to

generate the rest through revenues, and that is where they

got themselves into trouble. They weren't quite honest with the

public about the rating of the bonds. The rating of

the whole project basically lay in Fisher's Associates the company

that issued the bonds and audited the City of Denver.

Really they recommended that the City of Denver put these

bonds into Stapleton and not try to build a new

airport or what they saw it is too risky of adventure.

Speaker 1: Also, I've said there's a couple of times, and I'll

stay to once more for the context of the show.

Speaker 2: That pilopeed.

Speaker 1: My friend who flies for a major airline, went into

the d i A and a couple of things happened.

One of them, as I said, would you take a

look at the murals and tell me what you think?

Speaker 2: He did.

Speaker 1: He thought it was kind of weird. But he also

said to me and he goes, you know what I

can't understand. They build more runways out there, and that

place is so little used, which means that Stapleton was adequate. Also,

and as I as I had said to him at

that time and have recitated since then, and that is

it's not for now, it's for what's to come. Yeah,

so he must have, you know, he does admit that

it's kind of strange the place would expand when it's

you know, when you know.

Speaker 2: You can't up two planes together at there yeah, Well,

what they did was the air The airport is actually

smaller than the original design. The original design actually called

for six concourses. They only have three. And the originally

started out with the hundred and twenty five gates, and

now that by the time the airport was done, they

downgraded in ninety four. Now they do have six runways

out there, but they can only use five. And people

always ask me, well, what's the six one for, and

I said, I don't know. They covered it up with dirt.

And if you go to Google and do a downward

looking photograph on DIA, you can see this runway under

the dirt. You can see the outline of it. And

they've admitted it. I've got the news articles from the

mid nineties where they admitted, well, gee, we built this

new ten thousand foot long runway and those dummies just

poured the concrete in the wrong place, so we're just

going to bury up with dirt. That's not even an

Internet conspiracy theory. They admitted that publicly that they did it.

Speaker 1: Also, I believe that the construction worker whom will hear later,

and this goes back to when Stu Webb before he

lost his mind or whatever happened to him, said that

there were two they covered up? Is that correct?

Speaker 2: Well, the second one I can't see, so they might

cover it up better. There was always those rumors there

was two of them, but they only admitted to one.

And I've been looking at the aerial maps that the

city of Denver took ada, and I can only see

the one, So there could be a second one out there.

If there is, they did a better job of covering

it up than the one.

Speaker 1: When was construction begun?

Speaker 2: What year nineteen eighty nine in September.

Speaker 1: And they roughly how long did it take before it

became functional.

Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety five? I believe it was October of nineteen

ninety five because I remember they had a big brew

haw and it was kind of like a you know,

a big party. Oh here it is, Yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 1: It was in February twenty eighth. Yeah.

Speaker 2: The originally the airport was supposed to have been done

in February of nineteen ninety three, and because of cost

over runs and construction delays, there was tons of that

stuff going on. I mean, it was just incredible. If

you go out there in the street and you talk

to anybody it's a civil engineer or aeronautical engineer and

just bring up DIA and say, well, you know, what

do you think about the construction of that place. There's

an old marine term that they have for it. Basically,

it's a cluster, you know what. That's what engineers will

tell you. The way they put that airport in. You

just don't run a construction project that way. It was

just it was a mishmash of prime contractors, subcontractors, people

being pulled off projects, you know, a third of the

way through the completion, contractors of being told, okay, your

section's done. When prime contractors usually follow a project all

the way through completion, they might subcontract out small parts

of it. But they had prime contractors out there that

would build say, oh three four hundred feet of the

runway and then they'd say, okay, that's it, you're out

of here. Thanks, here's your check. And it was just bizarre.

I mean everybody, I mean, whether you wanted the airport

or not. Engineers, everyone was just shaking their heads, going

why are you doing this this way? It just didn't

make any sense.

Speaker 1: Now you have two dailies. I think that served you.

The Denver Post in the Rocky Mountain Times News. Yeah,

Rocky Mountain News.

Speaker 2: Yeah, we call it the Denver Compost and the Rocky

Mountains Neozes.

Speaker 1: Well, right then that probably will answer my next question

with the negative, and that is, did either of those

papers do any kind of oversight, expose's, any kind of

analysis of what.

Speaker 2: Was going on with the airport? Yeah? They I was

surprised they actually did. But they didn't deal with the

issues that I would have liked to have seen done.

They deal mostly with just the bond issue. They didn't

really deal with where a lot of the money came from,

because I found out through the bond holding company and

I pulled the documents from that total, they only raised

three point zero four billion dollars in bonds, but yet

according to an audit by the FAA and the General

Accounting Office, they spent close to five point eight billion dollars.

Where did the rest of the money come from through

all the bonds from God? Yeah, well they this, you know,

the media here in Denver. They dealt with just the

bond issue. They dealt, you know, with the scandal about

our former mayor, Federical Penia starting the whole DIA thing.

In the mid eighties. By the way, Federical Penia wife,

her family's is invested in quite a few different companies,

including Hansel and Phelps and others, and it was her

family's companies that they're invested in that got many of

the prime contracts, which probably should have been a conflict

of interest because he publicly admitted that, you know, she

basically went to bat with the county commissioners and the

city Improvement Office that Denver had for construction improvement projects,

that she basically went to bat for her family's companies

to get the contracts, and that should have been a

no no with her being married to the mayor. But

people kind of glossed that over after a while. But

I always got I always got the sinking feeling that

all of this crap about, you know, Federical opinion, how

he got the airport started and his wife being involved

in the contracts, that was just smoking mirrors. They definitely

were hiding something else. They were hiding I think where

a lot of the money came from. I think they

were hiding what they were actually building out there as well.

I mean, I'd never seen a civil contract except for

a classified military fulfill go in under such secrecy and

demanding that people keep their mouths shutting it. And you

can talk to airline pilots and they'll tell you. You know,

you can badmouth an an airport anywhere in the country

and people say, yeah, that's right, this is a really

bad airport. But DA pilots will tell you they got

to speak off the record. They don't dare publicly see

anything about DA. It's I call it the first politically

correct airport in the country.

Speaker 1: All right, you know, you're just jogging my memory. Does

any airline call that it's home.

Speaker 2: Hub United Airlines?

Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I'm starting to think back that some

woman was popping off about the place. Ah, she said,

remember something about that? Okay, and yeah, she started running

her mouth And I guess you gotta whist the way

that doesn't stop familiar to you, doesn't. Uh.

Speaker 2: There's actually quite a number of people that either lost

their job or were told they needed to move on

after their public comments about DA. There was a talk

show host here in Denver. He was not real big

on AM radio. I can't remember his name now. He

was just a small timer and he was ripping the

more esoteric aspects India the possible underground construction, you know,

just the strangeness of the way the airport went in,

and basically he found himself packing his bag and leaving Denver.

Now there were bigger talk show hosts that were taking

on DIA, like oh, Peter Boyle of k how he

took on DEA. But once again, he just dealt with

the financial issues and things like that. He didn't get

into the underground construction where that came into being, and

what brought the media's attention to that was it. I

don't know if you've ever heard the name Phil Schneider.

Well before he died, he actually came to Denver and

told people said, listen, you guys have no idea what

you know we did out there. He says, this is

not just an air just to meet the city of

Denver look good with the rest of the country. And

he went into the whole spiel about the underground construction,

and believe it or not, the media tooking serious, and

of course they would, because the guy actually does have

it well did he did now, But he did have

professional credentials for that type of construction. He supervises that

kind of work around the world.

Speaker 1: Some of the information which Niner and what goes on

can get wild, and I'm you know the way I'm

going to deal with that right now.

Speaker 2: Right I understand the weirder site of his allegations.

Speaker 1: Yeah, but again you got to wonder because of the

way he met his demise, could he it's usually indicative

of he said something you shouldn't if that's that's obviously accurate.

Real quick about in the land issues though, was you

said that there was some kind of turning over of

the property on which the airport would be built. It

changed a couple of hands, like.

Speaker 2: Yeah, the believe it or not. The one group that

was involved and you've probably heard on this on TV

and read books about it, but their name was never

connected to da MDC Holdings had actually paid a company

to go in and buy the land in Denver outside

of Denver for the airport. Now, this holding company that

MDC Holdings hired actually went to Adams County Embartered to

get the land because at the time it was just

farmland and you have to go through all kinds of

conversion processes. That land has to be annexed, all kinds

of political stuff. By the time this front company for

MDC Holdings got done and they had transferred the land

to other people. Once researchers got done with it, they

found out that these guides had changed the land three

hundred times. It had gone through that many different holding

in real estate companies. Yeah, over what time span, About

the span of three and a half years, three and

a half four years. Because they actually started buying that

land a lot earlier than they said. This project was

in the works as far back as nineteen eighty five.

There's no way that suddenly in nineteen eighty eight they

decided to build the airport and start breaking ground in

eighty nine. Sorry, Now, they were doing this clear back

in the mid eighties because my uncle and his dad

owned a lot of that land and they were selling

this land off as early as eighty four. And you know,

at that time, farming in Colorado was going downhill. A

lot of farmers were just giving up and yeah, my

road has sold a lot of land out there to

these guys. They didn't care. They just wanted to get

rid of it. You know, they were all getting out

of farming anyways. Yeah, by the time the project, by

the time they got done with landholdings had changed hands

three hundred times, and people were just flabbergasted. Why would

you turn land over that much before you start building

on it?

Speaker 1: All right, So it's pretty clear that there was for

knowledge and that the people who bought that probably were

the ones who were to sit on it and make

sure that it didn't go out of the chain until.

Speaker 2: The time when they were ready to break around.

Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. The two other things. One, what do

you know about the widely I guess renowned baggage snap.

Speaker 2: O oh, that was a big thing of mind. I

watched that for years. BAE Systems is actually a British

defense contractor. You have to be a little digging to

find that out. When they first came about with the

plans to build DIA, their idea was to have an

automated baggage system run by computers that would read the

tag on your lug each and decide which concourse it

needed to go to. Well, they kind of had a

small problem these little carts that they had set on

a pivot and when they were going around turns, they

liked dump the bags off the carts into the basically

the mechanical works underneath. Well, I've got pictures of the

baggage system. This is the biggest snaff food they ever built.

They have a bar that looks like like a machete,

almost welded to the bottom of these carts, and when

the bags would fall out, these little bars would cut

bags in half. That's the problem that they had when

they first installed the experimental system back during the major

concourse construction. They actually had BA actually had a baggage

system installed and running, and they never could get this

thing to run right. It would dump bags out and

it just all kinds of snaff foods. The system would

just quit for no reason at all. It would lose power.

They never could figure out why it was losing power

all the time. I mean, everything out there was a mess,

But the baggage system I think got the front of

the media attention when the fact is they should have

been paying attention to the actual construction itself. Interesting enough,

I found out from bae's website that they actually installed

that same baggage system at Heathrow Airport in nineteen eighty

eight had no problems at all, the very same thing.

It's on the United States where things don't work right, yeah,

or at DiiA.

Speaker 1: But I guess the thing that's most provocative is the

cavernis underground that I guess people early on guests might

be underground parking. They just couldn't understand it for what

it finally became. What is to deal with the underground?

What do we know if anybody knows what it has become?

Speaker 2: Well, I do know from the pictures that I've seen

that Bob Bixler's showing me and others. I don't have

any pictures of this myself. I should ask these people

to give me copies for my website. The tunnel area,

they have a tramway. It's a train that will take

you from the parking garage to all the concourses and

out to the terminal. These are trains that are all

about fifty one hundred feet underground. Now the tunnel where

the trains set are actually a lot wider than they

need to be, even if you account for a service tunnel.

You know, to drive a vehicle and to fix the trains. People,

lots of people, more than I can even remember, have

told me coming in on those trains. Because when you

get off the airplane, you have to get on the

train to go to the main concourse area to get

you know a rent a car or to go out

to your car at the parking garage. They've all noticed

the same strange things down there. If you look off

to the side, will the train is passing through the

underground area, there are tunnels that go off on either

side of the train and just disappear in the distance.

And of course, you know, they always think, well, those

are service tunnels. They must handle sewage and electrical and

all that. But professional people, men and women who actually

design this type of equipment is said that those tunnels

are too big. It just it doesn't make any sense

that you would dig a hole in the ground off

of main tunnels that large service tunnels yet for engineers

and technicians to walk through. But these tunnels, many, many people,

I mean more than I can count, it said, have

said you could drive a truck through these site tunnels. Well,

that's what I want to ask you too.

Speaker 1: These tunnels do not have monorail or dimensional rail beds, right,

they're just flatten the tunnels.

Speaker 2: They're flat, and they're concrete floor tunnels.

Speaker 1: And they're not illuminated as well. They may be affixed

with lights, but.

Speaker 2: They're not illuminated.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: Well, they do some of them are dark and they

can only see a little ways down them, and others

are illuminated. There's one that is illuminated for oh, probably

one hundred yards or something, and people are just like,

what do you use something like this for? This is

this is a waste of space and money. And I

agree if there's no use for.

Speaker 1: Them, I wonder if they have ave the opening abandoned

hope all you win her through these tunnels? Did they

say how many there are? I mean, is this? Are

there like twenty of them? Are there twelve?

Speaker 2: You know? Well, the one lady that I talked to

that came into Denver said that she counted a tunnel

about every fifty feet, and she said the trend was

going so fast she had to just look, you know,

down them real quick. But she said there from the

terminal at the United Terminal all the way in the

Concourse A, which is where she got off. That was

Concourse A. She said she that there had to be

two dozen or more. Tunnels.

Speaker 1: Now, Bob Dixler, who provided the information from which you

made a DVD, and you know, I'm just thinking about it.

We want to talk Bill about maybe it's possible to

put up the construction workers mini lecture on YouTube. Yeah,

and that might be a good idea because when we

go into this people are going to be at a

little disadvantage not having seen the graphic which apparently drew

on a whiteboard or something like that, if I remember correctly.

And as he goes through his presentation, and again it's

about twenty two minutes, I believe it's the last twenty

two minutes of the DVD that you did make, and

of the first eleven minutes we will not only hear

but talk about because it's interesting what his viewpoints were.

And I tell you one more thing and then we

will go to the audio. But are the underground levels

that nobody has ever seen that are not open to

the public, that they are known to be there?

Speaker 2: Well, I can prove. If you'd ask me this question

six years ago, I would have said, I can't prove it,

but I've heard the rumors. But in two thousand and two, FEMA,

the Federal Emergency Management Agency, was interviewed. The local director

was interviewed by Channel nine News and said that the

entire FEMA operation at the Denver Federal Lakewood Center was

moving to their new underground facility at d IA not

admitted it publicly in what today's Lakewood. Lakewood is in

Jefferson County. He is on the west side of Denver.

Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, well look before we go any

further too, why don't you tell the folks what your

website is? You also, I think have linked I have

the murals up on my site. Do you have the

murals active on your site?

Speaker 2: I have the first sixth active on the first page.

Speaker 1: Okay, I've got nine and they came also from Bill.

Why don't you give the I guess the people the website. Also,

we want to let you know, and we do think

Bob Bixler for making the information available. Now, Bob actually

got down here, didn't he. Okay, And folks understand something,

This was never meant to be a commercial product, So

I mean, we're not apologizing for Bob, but he just

meant to get some footage down and to discuss certain things.

But also, if you would like to take a look

at this, what we've done in the past is we

just asked you to compensate a build for the expenses,

and you've been real good about doing that. With a

little over at the top I mean, which is not

bad because it's just time to so lay on this Bill.

What the website is where they can find the links

to the murals, the Jefferson maps, and any other information

that you want to win part right now?

Speaker 2: Okay? The website is www dot Phantom Chasers dot net,

forward slash d ia dot html.

Speaker 1: Okay, you can also he this site off my site

and again, like I said, both places you'll find the murals.

We're going to discuss that totality tomorrow. We're just going

to deal with some of the other I guess we'll

warm from a construction standpoint and the physical plant of

what is going on out there. This is the grass.

You know, it's twenty seven minutes after the hour. We

are now going to go.

Speaker 2: To an eleven minute audio.

Speaker 1: The construction worker is the individual who's speaking about what

he saw and he diagrams it. Sorry that you're at

a disadvantage right now to try to conceptualize it. Perhaps

we can do as we just talked about, maybe get

it up on YouTube. Also before we go there, real quick, Bill,

the guy that seems to be question but he's not

seeing he's questioning him. Do you know whether that person

was taking the role of a devil's advocate or as

an interviewer or a facilitator, or was he trying to

be convinced of what was going on out there?

Speaker 2: Do you know when I talked to the guy the

cameraman who recorded this, the guy, this guy in Denver

who was a carpet cleaner, he recorded all of these

stuff for all this stuff for Bob. Because Bob's done

other things. This particular guy was asked to come in

and oversee it because he's like a paranormal UFO researcher,

and Bob really didn't want to ask the questions himself.

He just wanted to stand in the background and just

to analyze what was going on. Bob was actually at

this thing and just to see, you know, what this

guy had to say. So this guy was just kind

of brought in at the last minute and said, you know,

ask this guy about what he did out there and

what's going on. So it didn't seem to me like,

you know, that he was doing a professional interview. They

were just trying to feel this construction worker out by

bringing in this research.

Speaker 1: Where was the venue that this took place.

Speaker 2: They did this at a restaurant. They have a place

that they used to it's a wild Oats now it

used to be just like a regular Denny Seis refront

and they were in the back they doing.

Speaker 1: This, all right. And some of those Dennies have like

kind of got quasi meeting rooms, I guess, And that's yeah,

that's why they were doing.

Speaker 2: This, Yeah, real informal. They weren't trying to do anything

professional at all.

Speaker 1: Also, I want to let folks know, y'all, not to

be titillating, but you sent me a strict phote about

six inches wide only three inches in height, and this

was your photo you took.

Speaker 2: Are you talking about the air ducts? Yeah, yes, yeah,

I took that photo myself.

Speaker 1: All right, folks. I don't know how well it would

stand up to any kind of magnification, but there are

two just two gigantic structures that are what the air changes.

And I I mean when you take a look at this,

and you took it from what the margin the margin

road to outside of the airport.

Speaker 2: Now they have a road that goes by the front

of it. When I took the photo, I couldn't get

any closer because they had a security guy walking around,

and they had no trespassing signs. Otherwise I would have

gotten closer and got a better photo.

Speaker 1: Now the two of them are onto a photo left

and photo right. What's in the middle. Can you assume

that's the construction of Denver Airport?

Speaker 2: No, that is hostly north of the airport. That's about

two miles north.

Speaker 1: And what in the world is that? Then?

Speaker 2: Well, nobody seems to know whoever built the place tried

to claim that it was a United Power experimental generating

station for electricity. And when I took an United Power

engineer out there, he took one look at the facility

and got on his cell phone to the Public Utilities

Commission and said, hey, there's a facility here with our

name on it. It's not ours. Who is this place? And

about two weeks after he filed a complaint with the

City of Denver, all of a sudden they changed the

name to Excel. I also took somebody from the City

of Brighton out there, and they looked at it too,

and they said, listen, this has nothing to do with us,

because the original sign said United Power Experimental Generating Station,

City of Brighton District. And I mean both the city

of Brighton United Power absolutely said this has nothing to

do with us. Who is this? You know who put

this up.

Speaker 1: So, as I'm looking at this with the air handlers

to the extreme left and right of the photo, those

structures one looks like kind of like a high rise,

and then it seems like an accordion type of a

structure that goes beyond it. What's the proximity to the

air handlers that you saying that's north of the air handlers.

Speaker 2: Well, they're they're kind of been a semi circle. Sheape.

It's hard to tell from that photo, but you have

one air exchanger looking south, you have one looking north,

and then there's one looking east, and they're kind of

in a semi circle. They're not it's not like a

perfect U shape if you look at them, they're all

a little bit offset to make up a like a circle.

And behind them is a building. Uh, it's hard to

even say it's a building. There's no doors or windows.

It's just a huge welded metal structure. And all of

this stuff goes straight down into the ground. There's no

white foundation or place you can walk in or anything.

These things go straight down into the ground.

Speaker 1: Uh. The air handlers that deal with the Lincoln tunnels

far large. You can you can make them out. They're antiquated.

I mean they look they just look old. Uh, and

there's quite a few stories high and you can't pick

them out. However, those Lincoln Tunnel air handlers compared to

these babies, look like they're probably a third the size.

And so by what we see above the surface, can

we only imagine what it might service below the surface.

Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1: Let's go to the construction worker talking about his experience

at Denver Airport New World Airport, and then we'll come

back and talk to what we've heard.

Speaker 2: Any of you want to send it an.

Speaker 1: Instant message, you know, it's a MSN messenger Visi Goth.

Well also if you want to send an email, that's

Visi Goth at hotmail dot com. If something comes up

while this is being aired by all means, send something

through and we'll deal with it when we come back.

This is a construction worker who was at the site

and saw things that he considered somewhat strange. We're going

to change the audio source and we'll be back talking

with you in about twelve minutes.

Speaker 3: Ay, diagram of the Debra International Airport, just a rough.

Speaker 4: Drive that I drew when I was working out there.

What you have here is the east gate entrance and

to the terminal area.

Speaker 3: Of the new DIA, and then there's the runways, the

main runways of course in the air.

Speaker 4: And then it c.

Speaker 3: Approximately two and a half to three miles away from

the the large.

Speaker 4: Teflon Dome terminal, the other terminal.

Speaker 3: Or a set of tunnels underground tunnels approximately sixteen feet

by twelve feet. There's square tunnels. They were supposedly to

be used for sewer and water. But the tunnels are

square and there's no water stop or anything like that

that would carry that would be used in a tunnel

to carry water.

Speaker 4: These tunnels were broken down into sections.

Speaker 3: How many approximately five to six sections per tunnel, coming

from the main terminals to these set of five buildings

that are built constructed underground.

Speaker 5: Okay, l let me ask you something here. We're talking

about tunnels, two tunnels.

Speaker 2: The length is.

Speaker 5: About two and a half to three miles that correct, yes,

it is. How deep into the ground are these tunnels

you would you say, I.

Speaker 3: Would say approximately twenty five to thirty feet down.

Speaker 5: And Okay, once you are in the tunnel, how wide,

how high? How much space do you have in there?

Speaker 6: How big are they?

Speaker 3: The tunnels themselves are twelve foot tall by sixteen feet wide,

and they're just a rectangular formed tunnel and they're all

the same size.

Speaker 5: Okay, what what usage would people get to these tunnels,

especially at an airport?

Speaker 3: The only we used to use them the walkthrough in

the and we used to put for cliffs and other

machinery down there to transport tools.

Speaker 4: And such things. You can you feed the truck in there?

Speaker 3: Oh, bus in there if you wanted to, you could.

You could fit a small special made bus. We made

jokes while we were building these things out here, the

build set of buildings that I worked on in which

the tunnels tied to, about.

Speaker 4: How they could go from.

Speaker 3: Tunnel to tunnel with little boat or little bus loads

of people all.

Speaker 4: The way around the whole area.

Speaker 5: Okay, well, no tell us about those five buildings you

have that outlined.

Speaker 3: The five buildings we have all have intersecting tunnels that

go between them and then tie into the main terminal areas.

Speaker 5: Okay, was the purpose for these buildings in your opinion

or these people you know, decided to build something underground.

Speaker 1: And how deep are they?

Speaker 3: First of all, they range anywhere from sixty feet deep

to one hundred and twenty feet deep, these five buildings.

Speaker 5: Due is this some kind of a storage facility or.

Speaker 3: We were told it was for sewer and for water

waste out in the east area, these buildings, but they

weren't construction or constructed in that order in that matter,

to carry such a to.

Speaker 4: Carry water they have.

Speaker 3: And whenever, whenever you construct the concrete buildings underground to

hold water, you use water stop and teflon coated rebar

and a lot of other type materials instead. Instead we

had no water stop, no teflon.

Speaker 1: Time.

Speaker 5: Let's hold on a second, you know, Okay, let's let's

continue here. You were saying that they they told you

these were for the water.

Speaker 3: For water and soup, for sewer and sanitary waste and

treatment out in here is what they said these buildings

were all for. And they said that the tunnels that

were coming over from the main.

Speaker 4: Terminals were going to be carrying the water and.

Speaker 3: The sewer waste from the terminals out to these small buildings.

Speaker 5: Okay, now this is a very important question here.

Speaker 2: I don't know if you.

Speaker 1: Want to tell us what.

Speaker 5: Construction company was in charge of this project of the

building of the tunnels or the work being done in

the tunnels and in these buildings on the ground.

Speaker 3: These these tunnels were split up between different companies. Not

one company got more than one section of this tunnel.

Speaker 5: Why do you think that that.

Speaker 1: Is all right?

Speaker 3: My reason is because they would start to get an

overall picture of what they were really constructing across here.

On most jobs this size, once a company is set

up into and sets up one section of tunnel, then

they're already in progress of going all the way across.

So it's easier for them to go ahead and continue

with the contract all the way through and to bring

in another company on each section. And it's very very

peculiar that they would be split up in that many

sections with that many different type of companies.

Speaker 5: So these were, saying, your opinion, doing on purpose. So

the companies that people are working there would not know

what what's going on.

Speaker 2: We'd know what was going on through here.

Speaker 3: Nobody would get it to be able to get an

overall picture of what was happening. The company that did

all of these buildings out here didn't get any of

these tonnel contracts.

Speaker 5: Okay, another question, besides what you call us already, what

do you make out of all of.

Speaker 3: These This looks to me like, in my opinion, it

could be used for transporting people from the airports terminals

out to these small buildings and distributing people from these

small buildings with.

Speaker 5: What purpose though?

Speaker 2: For the New World order?

Speaker 4: What do you mean and disruptors?

Speaker 3: What do you mean, well that do not want to

to come.

Speaker 4: To the wishes of.

Speaker 3: The New World order, For people who rebel against the government,

for people who have been called up on sedition and

conspiracy charges for being in malitious and such people who

have been labeled as freedom fighters and patriots where they

could take and they could split them up with their

families or without their families into different sections in the

different buildings holding temporary holding.

Speaker 4: They could maneuver.

Speaker 3: Them through another process of tunnels to these two hidden

runways which are east of these buildings.

Speaker 5: Let me see, let me see if I understand what

you're saying. Do you think that this construction on the

ground was built to hold people there?

Speaker 3: Yes, I believe it was built to hold people here.

And also do your sorting sorting of people determined by

how radical they are. The more radical would get one

of buildings, the less radical would be in another.

Speaker 5: Could we call these some kind of prettysome.

Speaker 3: I would call it an underground concentration camp and distribution

center for radicals, is what I would call it.

Speaker 4: And it's really highly peculiar. This was done.

Speaker 3: All this was done three to three and a half

years ago, was finished and buried.

Speaker 1: How long ago was these don't you said?

Speaker 2: Three to three and.

Speaker 3: A half years ago? These buildings and these rue ways

were done.

Speaker 4: And so this.

Speaker 5: Project begun way before THEA begun.

Speaker 3: This started up up at the very very beginning of

the IA, and this was all completed at the very

beginning of the IA.

Speaker 1: Okay, what about those tunnels for roads or.

Speaker 5: Whatever you have to the left of the.

Speaker 3: Five buildings, the tunnels, the tunnels to the left or

to the left, These are runways out here.

Speaker 4: These are long runways, these runways here.

Speaker 5: So those are on the surface.

Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, No, they're on the surface, but their own ways. Yeah,

they've been backfilled.

Speaker 3: What do you mean they have dirt a four inch

dirt cap over the top of all of these two

long runways.

Speaker 4: When we were working on these buildings.

Speaker 3: We saw them covering up these runways out here, and

we asked questions what was going on with these runways

and they said they poured them in the wrong place.

Speaker 2: Huh, But how.

Speaker 4: Can you miss runways by two miles?

Speaker 3: Oh my opinion, I think the large amounts of people

would be coming in on these runways takes control. Once

the money system fails, which you're starting to see around

the world everywhere, the last place to fall will be

the United States. That's the last place that they'll have

to take people.

Speaker 2: They have too many.

Speaker 3: Radicals here with guns, patriots, freedom fighters and such.

Speaker 4: They will bring them in to the center point, which

the center point of.

Speaker 3: The United States can go to Europe can go to

the Middle East. Okay, here that they can bring them in,

shovel them over to the distribution center, shove them over

to the other two runways, and send them off to

whatever concentration camp for permanent keeping. Alaska, Montana.

Speaker 5: Do you think that there is more construction on their

ground the New Denver International Airport.

Speaker 3: There's an area to the south of this which is

also approximately two and a half to three miles away

from the main runway. India to Efron Dome terminals where

there was a lot of activity going on that were

always driving up so much dust and dirt out here,

we couldn't see exactly what each other was doing at

much At much time, we couldn't see much more than

one hundred yards ahead of.

Speaker 4: Us because of the dirt and the dust out there.

Speaker 3: But that we've been working out here for a long time,

I'd say two years with heavy amounts of dirt up

on the bank. That means they were deep down into

the ground doing workout there. Now this area is covered completely,

there's nothing to be shown out there. It's been restored

to its natural look, just like this area out and

here was well, what do.

Speaker 5: You have on the surface where those five buildings are dirt?

Speaker 4: What's there?

Speaker 2: Dirt?

Speaker 4: Right now? There's just dirt.

Speaker 3: And now it's started, it's got grass, and say it

started to grow back up on all of this area

out here. They put it enough top soil on top

of everything to where you cannot see it from the area.

Speaker 5: Can we say that some kind of secret task force

that belongs to the government is behind all of this planning,

construction and the secret.

Speaker 4: Buildings. I believe that this is FEMA.

Speaker 3: What's FEMA, Federal Emergency Military Aid Management Agency, Federal Emergency Management.

Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. We had just listened to in a

eleven minute clip from a construction worker who's working on

the New World Airport or Denver International Airport, and one

thing that struck me and cleaning up on this if

you can, he seemed to indicate beside the actual airport

that there was something like a side project in proximity

adjacent part of perhaps the airport construction. And then he

speaks about another site that seems to be removed but

within a visual line of site from where he was working.

Can you address whether or not we had two other

things going on besides the airport being built.

Speaker 2: Yeah, this was publicly admitted to a certain extent. The

Denver International Airport Commission that they actually called it the

New World Airport Commission talked about various subprojects related to

DA and they had related in quotes. This came out

in the paper in ninety three. One project had to

do with quote, underground cooling towers and buildings that were built,

but unfortunately the construction company built them in the wrong place,

so we just had to cover up with dirt and

let it go at that. I've actually got the news

article on that where they actually admitted that to the paper.

They call it a related construction project. They don't say

it was, you know, part of DIA's you know whatever.

They just say it was related. That was the one

he talks about that it seems to me from his

map that he drew and from what I've seen in

the DIA aerial maps, that seems to be on the

northwest side of the airport. You can actually see where

they covered these buildings up because there's a huge mound

on the north side of the airport by the north

security gate. They will not talk about that now. The

other project he talked about was south the DA and

that's actually off the DIA property. I've actually been to

that site. That site is a building, oh probably about

the size of the average ranch style house. That is

some type of communications huh. I actually managed to sneak

up to the building when the door was opened. Quest

operates at our local phone company here. When I looked inside,

it looks like a telephone switching center, but it's just

it's got all kinds of computer equipment. They've got switching

centers there. However, they have tunnels going south and north

that are above ground. You can actually see them. They

come off of the buildings, they're covered with dirt. They

go for about one hundred feet and then they dip

down into the ground. Now I wasn't able to get

completely inside the building that it's a government and communications

phone company building. I would have been doing time with

Bubba if i'd actually try to get inside the building.

But I got close enough that I could look in

the open door that they had left open, and that

has got to be connected to underground because I could

see in both directions and you could see the walkways

actually slope downwork into the ground out in between the

rows of equipment.

Speaker 1: Has there ever been any talk about runways being unusually long?

Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah. That was a big That was a

big issue with everybody because by the time DIA was built,

the construction started, the Concorde was pretty much finished. I mean,

they had had so many of them crashed. They had

basically the French just grounded the concord at that point,

So everybody's like, why do you need these extra long runways?

The seven forty seven can use a runway half the length.

City of Denver never explained it. They just told the

media that they wanted to be prepared for quote, future

expansions and newer aircraft.

Speaker 1: Were the covered up runways runways of the exceptional length

beyond what a commercial airliner needs?

Speaker 2: Do you know? Those would be the two runways he

talked about. Now, I only saw one in the overhead

maps from the city of Denver as well as on Pole,

so there could have easily been two. But I saw one,

and it did appear to be about two thousand feet

longer than the runways next to it from what I

saw on the map, so it wasn't exceptionally long runways.

Speaker 1: I exchanged the e ims rather during the construction workers

little conference there, and the person is retired Air Force,

and I asked, our military airstrips considerably longer than those

needed for commercial airliners.

Speaker 2: It says yes.

Speaker 1: Part of my job was to aid in the transportation

of VIPs to and from smaller strips. However, it does

depend on the mission and how discrete the operation must appear.

We can get into some of the the speculation or

the conjecture about what function this airport will serve. But

I'd just like to ask this.

Speaker 2: I mean.

Speaker 1: Than what may happen and then not too distant.

Speaker 2: Future, which might mean.

Speaker 1: Of World War three and possibly United States are absorbing

either internally or being logged in some nukes. You know,

what I see is that when we finally have to

give up the United States, one of the ways it

will be made more expeditious is to render decent uninhabitable

the old mystery Babylon religion center for the new one.

That new one I've I just see and that's all

I can say as being a Denver, and for an

airport to serve a global type of situation which might

be much more busy than any single airport would be

in these days. Yeah, do you want to do you

want to speak to that? Because I mean, obviously I've

said this before, it looks like it's headed that way.

But I you know, other than the government continually moving

parts of certain agencies and such out to Colorado.

Speaker 2: I don't really have anything to go on. So they'll,

you know, speak to it as you will. Okay. You know,

people of us have looked at this going clear back

to the seventies and have said, you know, the new

World Order is going to have to have some kind

of regional center or some center of political power, economic

military might. In recent years this has been proven that

Denver will be that center, not just because of d IA,

but nuke Ingridge also admitted it's been quite a number

of years ago. This is during the Clint administration that

Nuke ingridg admitted that Denver was the backup government for

the United States Government of Washington d C got taken out.

He admitted on TV and in the Congressional Record on

c SPAN that everything is set up in Denver for

facilities for a federal Congress, a federal alphabet soup agencies

like FBI, CIA, and President and said that the military

command and control will be transferred to the Denver regional

area in the case of a nuclear attack that would

take out worshon in d C. So it's been publicly

admitted that we would become the de facto federal government,

the new Worshion in d C if the old DC

got taken out.

Speaker 1: I don't know why they would necessarily use that place

unless there was going to be something other flanking to

be a distribution center, if you will, in an adjaded sense,

in Ellis Island for those who are going to go

off to the varied detention camps as civil attorneys and

such that. I don't know. It doesn't really matter, you

know who knows. But we can talk more about this

tomorrow when we also hear what else the construction worker

has to say. It's another eleven minutes. One other thing,

we all know that Colorado, as the Rocky Mountain state,

has a history of being a very very heavily mind

state for copper, I assume, in silver and gold. So

it did lend itself to underground passageways. We all pretty

much assume, and I think accurately so that much has

gone on beneath us without our knowing it. Oh, has

anybody ever seen boring machines out there or has there

been any kind of talk about something going on below

the surface. As it is also connected to the Denver Airport,

thinking like they do in DC, have an underground way

they can get out to Mount Weather and such.

Speaker 2: In West Virginia. Right, there are actually three people, and

that does include this construction worker, but there are three

people that have alleged that there is an underground there.

One of them is the telephone technician that gave me

the information on the advanced phone call warning of the

Columbine shooting. He actually helped install the fiber optics and

he saw tunnel boring machines and these were all I mean,

these were pretty good sized machines. He said they were

about biggest semi trucks in the tunnels. And he said,

there is a tunnel that goes from downtown Denver all

the way out to Dia and it is a two

lane passenger highway. And he was out there during the

construction of the tunnel going from downtown Denver to Dia

and he saw the actual tunnel boarding machines sitting in

a side tunnel and they were changing tracks or something

on it. They were changing something on it. Another one

is a lady that lives south of Dia and she

could hear rumbling under the ground at night. It never

happened during the day. And she was big into all

this conspiracy stuff. And she had asked some people associated

with Denver and they said, oh, yes, that's the underground

construction associated with the tramways and the trains and such like, Yeah,

we're using machines to dig the tunnels. So they kind

of loosely admitted it, but only in association with the

publicly known aspects of DIA. However, there is a third

individual I met in film school and he worked at

Buckle Ayer in the National Guard. He was a civilian contractor.

His job was to maintain those globes out.

Speaker 6: There that pick up all the class by data off

the satellites, and he also handled the underground construction out

there related to fiber optics and other lines.

Speaker 2: And he said that they at the time, the National

Guard and the Air Force were working together, actually dug

a tunnel going from Buckleyer National Guard which is directly

south of DIA about six miles, and that tunnel connected

the DIA. He actually admitted this publically. There's like twenty

of us in the room when he admitted it and

said that basically that DA has a multiple purposes. He said,

it is a civilian airport, but in the time of emergencies,

it can be easily converted to military use in case

of nuclear, chemical or biological attack. Yeah.

Speaker 1: You know a Stewart Air Force Base along the Hudson

River in Newburgh, New York. It was a strange, in fact,

it still remains a strange airport in the sense of

that sometimes it's commercial. It's always military, but sometimes it's commercial,

sometimes it's not. It's got this kind of you know,

dual purpose, which is strange to see for an airport.

Usually you're either military or you're commercial. Yeah, and my

buddy's pulling in there a couple of times as well.

So when I think about the use of the runways

out at New World Airport, I don't think it's a

stretch to say that there's a capability to go along

with that. Also, and none of us really know how

extensive tunneling takes place. Obviously it would not be a

good idea in Florida, but I mean through a mountainous

terrain and such, I think it's probably an easier way

of going. Also, we know that there have been articles

in the Times about Russia building underground facilities, and the

question was if the Cold War is over, why are

we doing this? So I mean something obviously is going on.

Boring machines are not a fiction. You can see what

they look like. Also, even Orwell mentioned this as a

projection in nineteen eighty four. I also want to tell

you as we wrap this part of the part one

up of the two part series on a New World,

airport that Dwight de Bright sent me, I guess a

Google a shot of the New World Airport and he said,

there's another interesting configuration which could be coincidence, and that

would be one that's out like, so that's now in

your email both for you to take a look at again,

you know, is it a coincidence?

Speaker 2: Who knows?

Speaker 1: We've all seen also the configuration I guess of the

facility that's military down in San Diego. That, yeah, it

does look like it's a swastika, you know, so who knows? Also,

I got an EMO from the Air Force person says

Frankfurt Airport, Germany is doing purpose depending upon necessity exactly

the reason. I also bring up Stewart, by the way,

and we said this on the show with regard to

nine to eleven, that whatever flew down the Hudson River,

which probably were replacements for eleven and one seventy five,

if Stuart had to know, had to know something was

up because it is not commercial airspace. They do not

fly down the Hudson. Private aviation does. Commercial doesn't. So

when Stewart saw that first one and then the second one,

they knew something was definitely up.

Speaker 2: Now we get into that.

Speaker 1: A whole bit about do we know whether or not

this was a trail blah blah blah, but nothing's ever

been said. Actually, not much has been said about Stewart

and what they saw first thing as far as the

plane's going, but just say off course strangely, so at

any rate, Okay, what we'll do is, Bill, we'll come

back tomorrow and we'll talk more about the second half

of this guy's presentation, the construction worker who worked on

Denver Airport, and then we'll also talk about the murals

and just how strange they are. Okay, all right, so

we shall see you tomorrow, same time, same BAT channel. Okay, alright,

bye bye,