Before True Detective There Was Hosanna Church with Walter and Todd of the Bosley Channel and Killafornia

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Speaker 1: Okay, three two one, and welcome back to the Walter

Bosley Channel for another fascinating episode of California with our

guest William Ramsey.

Speaker 2: How are you, William to great, thanks for having me back.

Speaker 3: Great to be with you, always good to see it.

Speaker 1: And Todd his horses here.

Speaker 4: Hello, Bozsley Verse, glad to be here. I'm very excited

about this show tonight, and we're doing a deep dive

into one of the main cases that was a major

influence on the first season of True Detective. And you

know how Walter, I love True Detective season one, season one, especially.

Speaker 1: In fact, that is the only True Detective as far

as we're concerned.

Speaker 3: That's right.

Speaker 1: I'll tell you what season four made two and three

look better.

Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. So let's jump into this. Yeh yeah,

let's do it. William, you want to start us off again,

give us some background about Hosannah Church or maybe the

background about where this all takes place.

Speaker 2: Great question. I have a set of I have a

set of slides here I can chare with you guys.

Let me see if I can bring them up. Because

I do have a map, it'll show you where it

took place. What the church looks like it was called

Hosannah Church, thus the name of this whole scandal. And

it took place in a place called Poncha Tula. And

if you see that, I think on the screen you

should see about two slides there, Yes, sir, So the

above is the church and beyond that it's Poncha Tula,

which you see is about I think it's about twenty

miles northwest ish of downtown New Orleans, so you kind

of see it in the center of the map there.

I think it's about forty five minutes east of that dunary.

Speaker 4: So it's a it's a small little place. It says

here that the population is about seven thousand, four hundred

and fifty four.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's apparently a very religious place, Christian, a

lot of churches, a lot of different types of denominations.

And this was an odd case that took place there

in two thousand and five. And somebody asked what the

asked the guy who wrote True Detective, he probably knows,

Nick Pizolato. They asked him what the inspiration was, and

he said, look this up. Look up church sex scandal, Ponchitula,

And this was it. And this is kind of like

this very dark. This is like for people who are listening,

just like the alert alert, this is really dark stuff.

Satanic ritual abuse inside a church of involving kids. So

this is a really horrible stuff. And that's what kind

of is the secret of or what's going on with

True Detective. Yea, it is interesting. There's a really good

article here that I brought up. It's from Daily Mail.

It's from twenty fourteen, right after the True Detective was dropped,

I think in twenty fourteen, and the title here is

says babies in black dresses abused while laying in a pentagram,

drinking cat's blood and satanic writings on church walls. The

twisty confessions of the pedophile pastor from Louisiana who's just

inspired True Detective. And his name was Louis Lamonica Jr.

He was actually the son of the original pastor, so

his dad started this thriving church I forgot, which I

think it's a Protestant Doant denomination, and then his son

took over and things went.

Speaker 4: South from there when did so? From what I understand,

this church basically secretly converted to Satanism.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like externally, it looked like a church out there,

but they were secretly involved in some kind of Satanism.

That also they still kind of functioned as a church.

I guess the father had a very thriving church and

then it narrowed down and people are like, something weird's

going on. And he kept a fifteen member. So that's

like another story about this. It was a network. A

police officer, there were other people. There were women and

men involved.

Speaker 4: So you say about fifteen and so are we to

is that like the administrative staff.

Speaker 2: I think that's according to what I understood what I read,

that was all that was left at the church in total,

I was like fifteen total members and they left the

conta correct. There's a really good twenty minute video on

vice that you can check out that I highly recommend

that has a lot of first person stories and it

shows the people who prosecuted the crime. It shows the

FBI was involved and the police. And one of the

strangest things is that Lewis Lamonica it's something burdened his

conscience because he just walked into the police office there

in Ponchatoula and confessed. So they had this long confession

which is not public. It's very hard to come by.

You have to like request it from the cops. But

it's in part on this vice thing, and it's super

dark the stuff he confessed to, and it led onto

it like a third three month investigation, and they had

a whole like trailer of data that they got and

they convicted all these people. The two main people are

Lewis Lamonica Junior and this other guy whose name escapes

to me. Now he's probably on this thing. It's Dustin Bernard.

They have life sentences.

Speaker 4: I see, I see. So what do we know about

Luis Lamonica Junior's past? Did was he a member of

the Church of Satan or how did this guy become

a Satanist?

Speaker 2: That's a really good question, and it's not really answered

at least in what I read through. I read through

all the appellate documents, appellant case files and anything I

could get my hands on, but it just seems like

he went south at some point and he was really

the ring leader and there's just massive abuse, like he

was abusing his own kids, and then he had two

boys who also said something. They made a statement to police,

which they later retracted. But there it was like a

lot of abuse going on between people, so it wasn't

just one way. It was some kind of like really

weird family unit, but there was enough they tried to

retract the thing. The name of the video you can

watch is The Real True Detective on Vice. I highly

recommend it has one seven million views.

Speaker 4: I'll check that out.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty good documentary. I think that's the

one I've watched. And that was where I first learned

about the punch Atula connection, and it just made me

more convinced that Season two started out to be based

on something real that they didn't want pursued.

Speaker 2: So it's interesting. It tells the story. It's really interesting

because they have the lead detective on there and at

the very end of the twenty minute documentaries like we

just saw one piece of the saw, one piece of

the puzzle. We don't even know what else is going on,

and it shows how complex it was, Like there was trafficking,

there were kids coming and going, there were videotapes, there

were video confessions. So you see all those thematic elements

that are involved in True Detective were involved in this real.

Speaker 3: Case, right right.

Speaker 2: If you remember, like the key element of True detective

is discovering Tuttle's videotape. Right, that's what sets things off

in the garage when he's in front of the pedophile

swirl symbol. Right, So I have like those those those

screenshots in this, but I don't know how far you

want to go into this.

Speaker 4: Yeah, let's keep going.

Speaker 2: They say the fear up to twenty five children could

have fallen victim. He confessed falsely because he was supposedly

under the spell of a charismatic woman to denounce as

a false prophet. So they had like false prophet women,

and they had nicknames for everybody.

Speaker 4: What were the nicknames.

Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember offhand, it's in this article. But

the mastermind trade to Bernard was the mastermind, and then

there's the lady. So Robin is the lady there on

the right. Oh, we the mastermind. He used his one

year old daughter in a sick ritual account was killed

and its blood was spilled on the child.

Speaker 4: So I guess that might be the reference to the

the cat being now to the door purd outside and

now to the door that gets talked about in episode one.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, this week, writer, I'm

reading from this article. This week, writer Nick Pisolotto hinted

that this case was his inspiration for HBO's massive Hittory Detective,

in which detectives Marty Hart and Rust Cole played by

Harrison and McConaughey and cover a ring of ritualistic Satanic

murders committed under cover of a powerful evangelical establishment in

South Louisiana. Oh wow, so the first time males online

seeing the full shocking confession that fired the starting pistol

of this notorious scandal. La Bonica walked into my office,

sat down just as you're talking to me now, listening

to him here where all Christian kind of floored me.

You're talking about a man he professed to be a preacher,

a pastor, and a church leader, abusing children and worshiping Satan.

So like you literally said that.

Speaker 4: So this isn't this isn't like a Church of Satan

type of deal. This is like theistic Satanism.

Speaker 2: They had spells and weird things. They don't It happens

all the time in these occult crimes that you and

I have studied. Dodd. Yes, the investigators don't ask specifically

what books they have, like what exact book are you reading?

Who inspired you? Where are you getting these riotings offense

at somebody else? But the investigators don't ask those specific questions.

Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think they just simply don't know.

They don't know any better. They don't know how to

handle occult ritual crimes. You know, in South Africa they

have a special unit that just handles occult crimes.

Speaker 2: And tried to talk to that guy who was the

head of the unit. By the way, he was non

and good at health when I tried to reach out

to him. Yeah, I forgot his name. He had a

total sound because they have a massive black magic accult

crime problem there. Yeah, a lot of it comes from

African stuff, so it's a different variant, but it's real,

like it's anyway.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in America we would benefit from having

special departments that specialize in a cult ritual crime.

Speaker 3: I agree.

Speaker 2: They used to have one in San Francisco. Actually they

had a woman who like was paid by the government

to investigate a colt crimes. It just went out of fashion.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that book of cult cop right.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. Yeah, she's written about in other books.

I have one. I think she's in this book called

Colts that Kill by Larry kahannor she's mentioned in it

because like that she's in she knows all this stuff.

She I think she's passed away, but she was involved

in you know.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: It's interesting because in this case, the Hosanna case, the

Richard Off she testified here and he was also in

the West Memphis three crime.

Speaker 4: Uh really yeah?

Speaker 3: Oh wow.

Speaker 4: Yeah, So there's fifteen people involved in I want to

say this set this this chapter here, could there be

more than fifteen if it's if it's a larger network.

Speaker 2: That's what that's what the impression was made to me.

One is a cop, one is a teacher. These are

just four of the pictures, and there's kids involved. There's

the two kids of Lewis Lamonica Junior.

Speaker 4: I can kind of see, like with my periphial vision

that lady is she wearing glasses?

Speaker 2: The one on the bottom right is wearing glasses.

Speaker 3: That's correct?

Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet yeah, she looks like a peeo.

Speaker 2: According to this, she called the sheriff to spill the

beans on the colt just two days before Monica made

his confession, So there must have been It makes me

think or deduced that there was some kind of discord

within the group and people were going to start to talk.

That's what I'm thinking. They described a dark room where

all the windows were covered in black, like black paper

to keep it dark. There was a pentagram in the

middle of the floor, and he said in a book

of spells and temptations on this occasion. He claimed there

were five others present, Austin trey Bernard thirty six, the

Moonica's wife Robin forty five, church member Paul Fontineau twenty one,

sheriff's deputy Chrys Labot twenty four, and Patricia Trish Pearce

in fifty six. All but Labat later pleaded guilty to

charges ranging from aggravated rape to sexual battery to obstruction

of justice. Lebot was charged with child pornography, but subsequently

the charges were later dismissed. Lamonica stated they would start

off like a church service, but it was Satanic music.

There were candles burning, dark red candle holders, and the

dedication of baby into Satan with his pentagram. She was

put in the middle in a black dress. He described

chanting around the child, Trey Bernard's daughter, barely one year

old at the time before killing a cat, draining its

blood and each drinking it. He claimed that they did

not make the child drink because she was too young,

and instead took off her dress and sprinkled the blood

over or super dark.

Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean, that is horrifying.

Speaker 2: Yeah, these meetings, according to La Monica, took place every

two to three months. On other occasions, certain girls will

be picked and have sexual relationship with The guys would

line up one way, one they would come and they

would have sex with that girl, and the same if

there was a woman, they would have almost sexual relationship

in oral sex, acting like one was a man and

one was a woman. He claimed there were feces laid around,

there was urine. He claimed that during these satanic rituals,

he become like a distorted This is like a common

tale of these like distorted faces, and I've heard the

same thing from like Coult survivors and mk ultural survivors. Yeah,

he would become distorted by the devil and that demons

would change him into an animal, a snake, of fox, wolf, spiders.

If that's intense. Yeah, and then this is the whole

Marti Gras theme that's in true Detective like the all

of the costumes and stuff. His words are reminiscent of

the notion of career de Marti Grass, central to two

Detectives version of Satanism and the Occult, and explained by

Cole as a very rural sense of Marti gras. You

know the men on horses, animal men asks and such

in the show, the Cajun cultures twisted and the Killer

Satanic ritual opposing as victims with the antlers in the

Ozanna church case. This translated into talk of animal mask

hoods and gowns. These are all classic motifs, like the

satanic motives of animals.

Speaker 4: And the bodily waste laying around that. That's kind of

like uh, pazuzu algaret, isn't it?

Speaker 2: Sure is? Each member of this group, this pedophile ring,

had a nickname, he claimed. Trish Pearson was bluey black

after the colors on the spell books she carried. So

they had spellblow books, Like what are you doing? What spells?

Speaker 4: So are they are they writing? I think are they

writing their own spells?

Speaker 2: I don't know, It's not clear to me. Yeah, here's

there's a picture of the thing crime scene that says

I went here four k you let us down. Somebody

spray painted that.

Speaker 3: Apparently.

Speaker 2: He called his wife Robin the lady because she was

an organizer and made sored stuff goes right. Trey was

the mastermind. La Monica himself was chief. So there's your nicknames, yeah.

Lamonica stated. The secret ceremonies had started in nineteen ninety

nine and carried onto two thousand and three, when he

and his wife separating and moved out of the church building.

Bernard's wife, Nicole, left Bernard and took their daughter with

her to Ohio. Two days before Lamonica walked into Major

Carpenter's office, Nicole had telephoned Tangipaho Parish Sheriff Daniel Edwards,

the man initially tasked with investing the crimes they did

take place in his jurisdiction, with similar allegations. The news

quickly broke in this small, deeply religious stretch of Louisiana.

The church had a strong legacy in the area. The

Monica's father, Lewis Lamonica Senior, founded it and was a

respected much love pastor. The church had thrived for more

than twenty years. Lamonica's claimed that the church had converted

to Satanism in two thousand was profoundly indescribably shocking. The

building that one spin, the heart of a community, became

a dark void at its center became a crime scene.

Sheriff Edwards announced that there could be as many as

twenty five victims. When Bernard shared a notebook which he

wrote of the abuse, Brown took the writing. He described

his stomach churning to Labot was left warning why nothing

came of it. Bernard later referred to he saw himself

as one of the group he referred to as a

perverted musketeer one for all and all for one. One

by one, church members named by Lomonica were rounded up

and interrogated. With each interview, the claims became more shocking.

Beast reality was added to the already sickening mix, as

Bernard and later Lamonica's own sons claims that he had

sex with the family's pet poodle, oh Ostin Tree. Bernard's interrogation,

also seen on mail online, shows how deep the pull

of religion is to this community. Bernard himself was passed

a pastor who paused the police interview to pray, Father,

I come to you in the mighty name of the

Lord Jesus Christ. Wow, I invite your spirit into this

place made over a truth. I pray for Tray. Bernard

had already confessed to abusing his own daughter since she

was two months old. Wow. There are echoes of the

Hansanic cash throughout True Detective. One of the real life

accused was Paul Fontino, a child victim in the TV

shows Mary Fontinau. So they used the same name. Yeah, yeah,

their echo. Let's see, Austin Bernard was a key protagonist

in the real case. Austin Ferrar is a fleeting character

in the fictition of one. So they use same names. Yeah, Pisolado.

Speaker 4: Well hey, Another interesting thing is one thing I pointed

out in our last True Detective episode is there's actually

in New Orleans a sort of I don't know whether

I should call him Satanists or just punks, but a

group of teenagers called Skate and that's Satanic kids against

the establishment essentially, and they committed a double homicide either

the during Mardi Gral or the day after Money Gral

or something. And the leader of this group was Philip Ledoux.

So I I do think that there he was researching

real life crimes in Louisiana and taking elements.

Speaker 2: I think you're that's the LaDou Is Reggie Ledoux, right,

that's the guy mask. Yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense. Yeah,

by the time the case reached I'm gonna take courthouse

Louisian in the summer of two thousand and eight, two

competing narratives that emerged. Either of them gave credence to

Satanic Colder that that's the story that's stuck public. There's

a lot of credence to sal I don't know what

they're talking about talking about here. To the prosecutor district

Attorney Don Wall, we'll see later in these slides, the

case had nothing to do with the occult. Yeah, they

just didn't look at it as an occult crime. They

just looked at it as a sex crime. They pulled

a landing or whatever. Any reference to that was simply subterfuge,

an attempt by Lamonica to wrig her out of his

own guilt. But this is what the causative factors are.

They're into Satanism and that allows them to do anything,

like they might have been involved in crimes and other

stuff to finance stuff. Right, he was pedophilia brutal and

sustained in grim the Monica's sons, now eighteen and twenty

of given graphic accounts of long term abuse at the

hands of their father. The Monica was engaged in a

sexual relationship with both kids. It looks like they also

described occasions in which they were subjected to various abuses

as they were passed between their father, Bernard, Paul Fontino,

and Paul Fontino. At times they had claimed their mother

and Trish Pearson were present. And there's Reggie Ledoux right

there at the bottom. I don't know if you can

see that, but.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well I know I can't actually see it,

but I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2: There's a lawnmower man, spaghetti man. Oh yeah, client of

the victim of a Christian cult led by a preacher

named Lois Mowbray than fifty four. He alleged that this

false prophet had taken over and driven all but a

small number of the worshippers from Hosannah Church and this

became her cult, cleansed, debomin out demons. This is what

the defense attorney said. They were all convicted and then

they're on appeal. The convictions were affirmed for Bernard and

Lamonica Senior I think I mentioned there in jail for

the rest of their.

Speaker 4: Lives, rest of their lives no parole, right.

Speaker 2: I don't know, but i'd have to look.

Speaker 4: Yeah, Walder, what do you think about this?

Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting that you know, I had

forgotten it. It's been a couple of years since I

watched the documentary on this stuff and them using some

of the real names.

Speaker 3: It uh.

Speaker 1: Like we've said before, and like we've said with Dana,

I think that gosh, darn it, Nick what's his name?

Speaker 2: Pis Alato.

Speaker 1: I think Pizzolato was inspired and motivated to uncover something,

and as I said before, he got away with something

in the first season that because it was so good

and so popular that it first got past people that

it wouldn't have got past otherwise, and they they let

it go on. And I'm even more can that season

two he was going to do he had started to

do a similar thing because that first episode, and I

and I think after we finished the first season with Dana,

I think we should discuss that first episode of season

two because there was hecaita symbolism and other things just

jumping out as I was watching that first episode, and

then even stuff that I looked up. If you recall,

just to take a little side junt for a moment,

if you recall Rachel mcadam's father ran a hippie commune

and the something began with a P. Well, when I

looked that up, it's named after an ancient city, and

that ancient city venerated the goddess hecata And so I

was right that there was Hecatae symbolism jumping out. And

I think they were told after that pilot episode. Oh

hell no, no, no no, because, like I said a

couple of weeks ago, remember that second season was being

promoted out of Pitsilado's mouth. He said that season two

was about the occult secrets associated with the US Interstate

highway system and transportation, a cult. He didn't say underworld

as in gangster and mob, which is the BS, and

ended up being no, he set a cult. And I

think because of what we're talking about today that first season,

I think this might be why we really haven't seen anything,

not his fault, why we haven't seen anything substantial from

him since then.

Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, it's mistaken. Epstein met with Jimmy

Savile in Louisiana. Was that that was in the Epstein files.

Speaker 2: There was supposedly a meeting that involved Weinstein too, who's

part of the Epstein.

Speaker 4: Network right now, I I can't help but wonder if

this church although I understand that Epstein was probably an atheist. Uh,

I can't help but wonder if this network had some

connection to Epstein.

Speaker 2: The timing is there, Yeah, I mean it's right. I

have to confirm that there was some type of meeting

there that involved save. Yeah, because that's really it. There.

There's a trade show that happened, which is which let

me see if I can bring this up.

Speaker 1: Yeah, the the Epstein connection could very well be the

reason that you know, it alarmed people and he was

shut down just starting me a second season.

Speaker 2: This is This is an intake from the FBI. It

says trade show that was really awful in New Orleans.

Glenn Dubin and Leon Black were president, and Jimmy Saville

was the entertainment for the night. I wonder if that

can be confirmed that he was at some trade show.

Blank described it as pretty disgusting. When that's why I

was disgusting. She explained that it was discussing she was

a room full of perverted men. Leutry detective.

Speaker 4: What year was this?

Speaker 2: Well it was an intake thing from twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4: Oh okay, but uh, I don't know what year was

the Trades show though, That's.

Speaker 2: What I'm asking, right, Yeah, so I don't know. It

has to be confirmed, yeah, I mean you have to

maybe Ai knows. I have to ask. I haven't gone

that proud, right I. Actually there's a really dark element

of like the Epstein Files that involves cannibalism and stuff

that was written in twenty twenty and people are like,

is this real or not? And they mentions facts that

were validated through further research. So even before the Epstein

Files came out, this thing was written and it was

called Notes from a Dead Man or something like that,

and people were like, is this real or not? And

then the Epstein Files come out and people were like,

was Epstein in Switzerland twenty fourteen? And AI's like, yeah,

he made he made a plane flight reservations over twenty

fourteen at that exact same time, which validated a story

from five years ago.

Speaker 4: Interesting. Interesting. Now we've seen networks like this before, especially

in America. You know, there's the allegations that go with

the the mc martin preschool case. There's the the Finders,

there's all that stuff going on with Michael Aquino. Could

could all those little tiny sex or chapters be connected

into one larger network on?

Speaker 2: They're all the overlap, that's the whole thing. Yeah, is

these things overlap with gaycy, with what is it the

Odyssey Club or Norman I think was his name. They're

like moving around and traveling, and then a Kenos tied

to Midwest and then to San Francisco as well, and

then there's like allegations of everything that went down in

the Atlanta child murders is associated with the process.

Speaker 4: Right right, So I wonder, I wonder if we dig

far enough, if any of these members had any sort

of connection with the Process church, Like was louis Lamonica Junior?

Was he in Louisiana the whole time? Or did he

spend any time abroad? Perhaps in college?

Speaker 2: You know, these are good questions because it seems like

the cop like it's really crazy because there's an obstruction

of justice cause of action or charge that I mentioned earlier,

and it pertains to a cop who they didn't know

was involved in the network. And he was obstructing justice

because he was part of the Satanic network in the

freaking police department, and they busted him. I just mentioned

his name earlier. I mean, so it's like they were

they were part of a network.

Speaker 4: No one safe, and that's that's kind of the feeling

you get, is like no one safe, like that they

have defiled the house of God one. And then the

person you're supposed to be able to turn to to

keep you safe, to uphold law and order is a Satanist.

So I mean, talk about a destroyer in public confidence,

at least in that small town.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's bad, and it's the theme of this

even this major Carpenter said the same as true the

case lived through. He said, there's good and evil. I

guess sometimes evil does overcome. I like to think that

God sorts things out. It's up to the people involved

to see if they can make him better. And that's

kind of the end. How season episode six of True

Detective ends where they're outside the hospital and Rust and

Cole says, it's the same old story. It's the battle of.

Speaker 3: Or something.

Speaker 4: Yeah, light and dark, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2: And there's a lot of like articles there's published articles

about this whole case that went all over the world

in two thousand and five because it's so dark. Yeah,

and you can just see this like ritual rape could

have made it to Calgary. Poncha Tula.

Speaker 4: It's the kind of stuff, William that makes you sick

to your stomach.

Speaker 2: Yeah, No, this is just what came forward too. Yeah,

Like there's like all these other things like.

Speaker 4: Has has you know, it's been some years since that

they've got gotten arrested. Have any of the now adult

victims come forward anyone with any memories? I know than

the ones that were only months old probably don't remember anything,

but uh, they were probably like two years old and older,

you know.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: In that documentary that was filmed, the guy who was

the district attorney said he invited who he thought was

victims in to give confessions or tell their story, and

they said none of them talked, and then he saw

one of them crying, So like I think he was

trying to insinuate or kind of show that like they

didn't talk, but they felt like they went through something,

you know. Right, Oh my god, there's just there's just

eight adults took part. There's really dark stuff like from

the videotape of the admissible of this child. Yeah, so

like this is at the appeal at trial, the state

played in March sixteenth, two thousand and five, videotaped statement

of ab this young girl. Aby's indicated she was five

years old, but discussed events that allegedly occurred when she

was one year old. She claimed she had shown her

mother some very very tricky, bad games. She claimed Miss

Trisch was a witch and Aby had written her on

her broom. How do you know this at five? Yeah,

she claimed, mister Al, mister Kruz, Papa Jake. Now these

are people who aren't like the named people charged. There's

no probody named Cruz. So like that makes me Papa Jake.

Like where are these other nicknames? Mister Al, mister Kruse,

Papa Jake, Uncle Paul, Daddy, Pastor Lewis and mL and

sl had stuck needles in her She indicated that needles

had been placed in her eyes. She indicated that her

daddy also put needles in her toes. She claimed her

bottom had bled from the needles. She claimed a needle, fork,

and knife were placed in her She claimed ghosts had

come out when she played puzzles. She can indicated that

Uncle Paul and Papa Jake had made her drink something

yucky that came from their wienies. Her father claimed that

Papa Jake, Paul Chris, I mean, I just don't blank

blank blank. She claimed that daddy mister Chris had videotaped

her talking when she did not have clothes on. She

claimed mL were ten years old, so she's with other kids.

Mister Chris was eleven, Uncle Paul was twelve, Papa Jake

was two. Asked what she could remember events that occurred

when she was young, she's they told everyone. She indicated

they told everyone, and so that was an issue of

whether her whether her statement was admissible.

Speaker 3: I think yeah.

Speaker 2: And even the Cult Education Network, it's still on their website.

They have all these articles on this case still, so

you could just see these. I mean, if you can

see there's like twenty articles. And then this is the

this is the film that I'm mentioning that Walter saw.

It's called The Real True Detective and it's covered by

Gianna to Pony, I don't think Vice News is doing.

Speaker 4: Real well, No, they're not. I think they're on the

verge of closing down.

Speaker 2: They had a run and this guy Don Wall was

the lead prosecutor. So do you have like legitimate guys

who like talked about it. So it was the most

disturbing thing. I'm doing this because I can't show the

video for YouTube, right, No, I got you. Yeah, the

most disturbing thing I've ever heard. Here's Captain Stuart Murphy.

Most disturbing in the history of the state. The last guy,

Tim Tom Tedder. He said in May two thousand and

five from the FBI, the Monica Walker.

Speaker 1: We're down to under a minute. Let's jump over to

the other link.

Speaker 4: Okay, to.

Speaker 2: My knowledge, his confession is not available anywhere. There are

pieces of it in the the original complaint and then

in the appeal, but he he wrote two hundred pages.

So I mean it's got to be super interesting. Yeah. So,

but there are pieces of it that are shown during

this video from WECE and so I've taken screenshots of it.

And it's like La Monica walk around and chance and temptations,

and then after it was over with, you'd be standing

in the middle. It was like our little dress outfit

was taken off. There was an animal killed, if I

remember right, it was a cat killed, blood drained and

everybody and the way it was held, and it was

in the youth room. All windows had black cover on

them like back paper to keep it dark. Pentagram in

the middle that was made by Trey Bernard, Trey Bernard

and Trish. There was a book of spells and temptations

would start off with like a church service, but it

was Satanic music. There was candles burning, dark red candles

sprinkled dedication, dedication and it was not like the whole

threw it all over. It was like a dedication on

to Satan and the bloods. Yeah, the blood was she

was to close off when the blood was thrown on her.

And then he literally says, some of them because of demons,

and I'm including myself and all this could be having

sex with somebody. Now, I don't know if you want

to talk like I had warn like hair, but I

didn't wear fox hair. Sometimes it would be like a

snake like a fox. Detective, Let me try to understand

what you're telling me. Here are you saying to me

like you would change La Monica literally literally, you see

you are welcoming demonic spirits. My distort, my face would distort.

These are testimonies that people would say of other people.

So he said they saw Epstein's face distort.

Speaker 4: Huh, now you have, by any chance, is there an

Alistair Crowley connection to them?

Speaker 2: I didn't see one. There's one in True Detective because

the guy mentions Crowley if you remember Yn mower Man.

He's like, oh yeah, over Crowley, Yeah yeah, But I

couldn't find one. This guy looks pretty normal, like if

you saw him walking down the street. Austin Bernard just

looks like your average guy.

Speaker 4: Nine and remind the audience Austin Bernard was the guy

running the show or was it Louis Lamonica.

Speaker 2: It was Louise Lomonica. But Bernard is this guy who

was known as the mastermind. Okay, that's the mastermind right there, Bernard.

I did touch my daughter blank and I have in

proper contact with her about one year old. I begin

having shaking hands and changing her diaper, fearing what I'm

capable of. And then the boys of lo Monica did

these drawings that aren't public. They're in the documentary tree,

but like they're not good, but you can tell this

kind of costume type stuff it's happening.

Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's almost paganistic with the animals.

Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, there's like weird stuff, like there's people

naked carrying crosses in there.

Speaker 4: Yeah. It kind of reminds me of Egyptology in a way,

because you know, the gods had animal heads.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really weird. There's La Monica's booking picture. Yeah,

this is the evidence storage that they have still there.

Somebody's over by Ponchatoula. See if it's still there, the

das maintaining it. Can you imagine going through that. Yeah,

and this is the girl to Bony. She's saying that

some of these like they kept some of the wall scribbles,

but like there were statements on the walls that you

could only see in black light, so they would turn

on the black light then the writing would become perceptible.

Speaker 4: Now, if I'm correct about this, let let me know.

Or if I'm wrong about this, let me know. They

they bulldozed the parking lot because and they blacked out

the windows because they didn't let people like uh, everyday

citizens coming into the church.

Speaker 2: They there was a dig that took place behind the

church looking for evidence. I didn't find any evidence, but

I don't know if they're if the Satanic cult was

involved in like blocking something out. I'm not aware of that.

Speaker 4: Oh okay.

Speaker 2: The testimonies of the lah Monica's sons the councilors, were

used as evidence, but the children would not testify against

their father in court. They later retracted their testimonies and

denied the beasts had taken place. And then at the end,

this is the officer who was there, McMurphy, and he's like,

we just saw a small piece of the puzzle, Like

he didn't think they caught him all. He didn't think that. Yeah,

And it's the same theme that happens at the end

of True Detective if you remember, yeah, was it eight episodes?

I forgot Yeah, so episode eight, thank you. He goes like,

I don't think we got them all. Resting Cole said

something like that, I we got hours.

Speaker 4: Yeah, right, you know it. I think it's really hard

for the average person to even conceive this, right because

it's it's it's like something out of a horror film

or a nightmare, you know.

Speaker 2: But how normal look at how normal they look. They

just fit into the community. They look like residents of

Ponchaula or whatever.

Speaker 4: They're not wearing all black. They don't have a bunch

of piercings. They look like everyday average people.

Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy just looks like your average tech.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I don't know what he did for a little.

Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm wondering if any of these guys

had ceremonial magic in their backgrounds when they were teens

or anything like that. It's not uncommon for males who

are into magic to go into the clergy.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: I mean we've seen repeatedly that these churches have all

been infiltrated, the Catholic Church. We've talked about that with

the the Sister Margaret and Paul murder from nineteen eighty

and the pedophile scandals surrounding the Catholic Church. I mean,

these groups have penetrated everything, probably all the way up

to intelligence. Walter, do you think, with your intelligence background,

do you think it's possible that Satanists or I should

say theistic Satanists have infiltrated the government or at least

the intelligence community.

Speaker 1: Well, if you're publicly aware of Michael Akino right answer privately.

Speaker 3: As hell, yes, Yeah.

Speaker 1: You know, I do want to make people paranoid, but

you really need to be careful with with who you

talk to about certain things. You need to be aware

that when you do talk publicly about these things that

there are people listening. You need to tread carefully around

people whom you know do ceremonial magic. I've known a

couple of people who do ceremonial magic that you know,

as far as I knew. Oh, it's just you know,

the white magic. It's the nicest that and the other stuff.

And then inevitably down the road you find out that

they went into the dark stuff, and you know they

can be You find out that they are what's the

malignant narcissist, and they can be very vindictive. Now, some

people say, well, if you don't believe in this stuff,

it doesn't work, it won't affect you. Maybe so, but

you know this, they're out there, and if they're out

there in society, yes, just like being drawn to the clergy,

being drawn to church type of positions. Yeah, the intelligence

world absolutely draws them.

Speaker 2: George Bush Senior guys total satanists, man, Yeah, total heavy

duty Satanist. But I think it's interesting just the corollary

between the Hosanna and then what happens in true Detective

it's not. I think it's under emphasized in True Detective.

If I had to quibble or criticism is that they

didn't make the connection between this guy and the videotape

as clear as possible, and some of the names of

the victims too, because sometimes if you don't aren't like

the first viewing, you forget that Tuttle is the guy

who has the videotape of the abuse.

Speaker 3: But so this is.

Speaker 2: Total with the with the neon b the neon cross,

which I think is perfect.

Speaker 1: Now, maybe maybe maybe Pitsilato was trying to dramatically emphasize

that sometimes it's not always so clear. Yeah, you would

like it. Sometimes it's the stuff surrounding with somebody. Look people.

Because of TV and movies, people have come to believe

that circumstantial evidence doesn't count, that it's no good, and

that's the opposite is true. Circumstances matter, and many people

have been rightfully, rightfully not in all cases, as we know,

but and that usually involves somebody lying. But circumstantial evidence

has rightfully seen people convicted, you know, in many, many cases.

So I think maybe puts a lotta was showing how circumstances,

you know, we can draw the conclusion. There's enough there

is what I'm trying to say. When you watch the

story to you get the gist, you get the idea

he had that tape.

Speaker 2: Right, This is the guy with the tape. Is the

Christian evangela evangelical or whatever. It's an interesting kind of

drawing shot where they're drawing back and Tuttle comes in

and close the doors on them, you know, right.

Speaker 4: The question is how many Tuttles are out there?

Speaker 3: Right?

Speaker 2: I did the show on Rex on Youwerman. It's Hureman's

uncle or whatever. He was a Protestant minister, Protestant church

pastor who had a civil case like within the last

two or three years about s lra It's and I'll

do a show with you on that. What's up?

Speaker 4: Oh? And it was his father was a aerospace engineer.

Speaker 2: That's right. So his father's brother was literally sued and

it went to court and I think there was a settlement,

and there was the court case involved a network of pastors.

And during the time of the abuse is taking place,

women are being found dead in cars in northern New York.

It's unbelievable. It's around Albany and stuff like that like

where the state capital is. Yeah, and then as you

guys know, this is kind of like the famous sequence

where Rust Cole shows the videotape in front of the

pedophile symbol to heart and there's all the costumes and

stuff like that. This has become a meme, you know,

that smoking a cigarette or whatever in front of the corcosa.

Speaker 1: I think pitts Alato's use of the carcosa and yellow

king theme is, among other things, a nod to Peter

Lavenda's work, and specifically when Peter Lavenda talks about that

there's something really old and dark, particularly in New England

and Appalachia, an old tradition connected to old traditions, and

this is what these people are doing, in my opinion,

is an ancient tradition. It can possibly involve cattle mutilations,

as some are searchers that investigators that proposed, and that

it's something going on much more prevalently than we realize

in the halls of power, which is why these people

feel like they can do this with impunity, because for

the most part they can, you know, like the show

and like we've said and what Right has said for

everyone that we learn about and they catch. You know,

there's ten or one hundred more, right.

Speaker 4: That's right. As far as the cattle mutilations, I have

a personal hypothesis, and of course I am most likely

wrong on this, but it was back in I want

to say seventy four, a prison inmate whose name slips

my mind wrote a ufologist talking about he knows what

was going on with the cattle mutilations and a group

called the Sons of Satan. We're performing these cattle mutilations.

And of course they date the communications took place in

sixty seven, seventy three, and again in seventy five. And interestingly,

the Sons of Satan was the group Stephen Craig heard

was in, although it was the biker gang. It's not

unreasonable to believe, if there is any truth to it,

that perhaps one thing grew out of the other. Considering

that Stephen Craig hurts chapter of the Sons of Satan,

none of the members owned by motorcycles. So it's kind

of hard to be a motorcycle gang when you don't

have any motorcycles to ride, right, I mean, yeah, so,

so I kind of just like just the spitballing a hypothesis.

I think it's quite possible that it was the Sons

of Satan be wrong.

Speaker 2: Whenever they mentioned cattle mutilations, I always think about the

quote from the Book of the Law, Crowley's Book of

the Law. Yeah, is like blood of the moon, or

in that blood of a bowl, you know next. Yeah,

I always think of that for their rituals. Here's a

Pizolado with his appearance. I think episode five, episode six.

Maybe you guys.

Speaker 4: Right, was he the bartender, right?

Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the bartender at the at the bar

right right, has a interesting background.

Speaker 1: Pardon at the nudi bar, at the nudy bar. Yeah,

and they only go there once, if I'm not mistaken.

And that's the scene he's in.

Speaker 4: That's the rough part about being blind, Walter.

Speaker 2: I can't see the nudy bar in the end.

Speaker 1: You're not missing anything, Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 2: It's I don't think I think strip bars are demeaning

to men. They're not demeaning to women. The women have

all the power in the nudy bar.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 1: I I got a call one night some years back,

and my son was around twenty one twenty two phone rings.

I answer, it's my son. I have music in the background.

He goes, hey, Dad, guess where I'm not like, I

couldn't imagine you're out with your friends. He goes, yeah,

we're at the Noodi Bar. I'm like, oh, is that

your first time? He goes yeah, he paused, and then

he said, it's kind of stupid, isn't it. I'm like, Bengo,

you learned early.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: No, it's the meaning. It's the meaning to men. Yeah.

One of the interesting things. One of the little data

points is just kind of a follow on. We can

go farther into the Hosana church handle, but this is

just him drinking a beer. This means that anything he

says can never be admissible because he's drunk, right, That's

the whole thing. And these are the key elements, Like

he's actually is being investigated because the two black guys

think he's the purp because they see him at the

scene of the crime. So he's the true detective though.

That's the that's kind of the interesting twist. Yeah, one

of the interesting elements. I don't know if you guys

discussed this. Did you guys discuss Thomas Laggotti the whole

Thomas Leggotty.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, conspiracy against the race. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

we we've been We've talked about it.

Speaker 2: Okay, it's just that there's similarities between him. Well, it's

kind of the occult connection because Logotti was in a

band and work with some high level of Crowley people

like you asked me earlier about Curly. Yeah, he was

in a band called Current ninety three, and so you

can look that up. Ninety three is Curley's number, you know, Yeah,

and you can look it up. And so there is

this kind of like, uh, anti natalist, occult influence on

the thinking of Pizzolado. Yeah, and they're like, you know,

they're accusing him of plagiarism. I don't think he plagiarize them.

I think he he he used some of the just

this very bleak, stark, nihilistic worldview that really starts off

episode one.

Speaker 4: Right, I mean, the character in the book isn't I know,

it's it's not fiction, right, So that person is not

the only person with a bleak worldview. So it's kind

of a ridiculous thing that I think he paid her patriot,

you know, stole from somebody else.

Speaker 2: Right, I had another set of slides. I mean, we

could go through that if you want. I think I

sent that over to you. Let's see if I can

find it. Okay, But there's I mean, there's so much

you can to talk about on this one. It's pretty incredible.

It's just yeah, it's just a very well written for

its time too. Nobody was really talking about any of this.

Speaker 4: One day there's going to be books written on the

first season of True Detective.

Speaker 2: I'm surprised there isn't yet.

Speaker 4: Oh, I bet you one day that. I bet they're coming.

I bet someone out there is, Like you know, researching

this stuff, as we all know, can take years. Yeah,

and once you dive down one rabbit hole, that leads

to a whole other rabbit hole, especially with like the

pedophile network stuff. Right where does it end? It doesn't

really ever end, doesn't end.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, just like you said, I think there's a network

out there. There's just like a network of these people

that know each other, know the symbols, much like the

Epstein network. They just know each other, you know.

Speaker 3: Right, I think one of the.

Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, people right about dark

true crime all the time as such. But after seven

years of Empire the Wheel research in three books, I

had to take a break from it, you know, just

just because you know, just get away from that stuff

because it was it was just you know, the murder

of children in the first book that I talked about,

and just all the other things. And I think this

stuff can be so disturbing that at some point maybe

some people out there that would write a book just

kind of put it down and walk away from the idea.

Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, that's probably that's probably true.

Speaker 2: It's rough, rough stuff.

Speaker 4: I have to take breaks.

Speaker 2: So here's uh, here's Lamonica with his attorney, whose last

name is Teal th h I. Oh wow, yeah, I

don't know, Michael Teal, I don't know. It's weird, really strange.

There's a lot of articles like these are new pictures,

different pictures. It is a network. These are some of

the old stuff. M Tim Norman, retired property developer who

lives next to the church, said Lamonica and his flock

wadge and intimidation campaign to try to force him to

move out. He said their behaviors, such as making Indian

whooping noises in his garden, became increasingly odd. They wanted

to baptize their children in my creek. I said, you

can't do that. There's gators in there.

Speaker 4: Interesting, that's that's very again, that's also very paganistic.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a bone to pick as a scholar

and researcher and both of you guys, I think we'll

understand the logic of this when I hear, you know,

we talk about Satanic, satanic, Satanic, satanic, pagan, pagan pagan.

I like to be to be more specific because in

the details you're going to be able to identify the

particular devil that's being venerated. And by identifying the particular

devil in the details, as an investigator, it helps you

kind of investigate the case better, you know what I mean. Sure,

Satanic is kind of a catch all that unfortunately glosses

over what could be good threads. Yeah, and I see

in this I'm my mind is, oh boy, what the

heck tradition or traditions where they really you know something,

something tells me that voodoo might have been in the

mix too. I mean, it's Louisiana, you know, Santa Ria

po mambe remember bastardizations of it? Right or are That's

the thing, because there is a voodoo tradition that is

not an evil thing that they don't go around doing

evil things. I mean, you know, evangelistic Christians would be crap.

Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's just like it's just like any

other religion. You know, like there's good voodoo practitioners and

then there's the boat cool, which is like a bad

voodoo practitioner. Yeah, and you've got your bad ministers and

your your your crappy ministers. Right, you're you know, like

we've just heard about like the pastor's malet, you know,

abusing kids from William So, I mean, it's just like

anything else.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 2: This this is an interesting article that made it to

This story made it to the New York Times May

twenty fifth, two thousand and five. And it's interesting because

they did some good research on the dad. He's like

the church finally closed its doors after a ferocious following

out between the pastor's son and successor. The congregation, once

near one thousand, had dwindled to ten or fifteen troubled souls.

Louis Lamonica deputy chef, sexual abuse, perhaps two dozen children,

and mutilations of cats. What happened is clear, he told

congregate Sunday, the prophecy of witchcraft problems have been revealed.

When the leadership of that church kept the enemy out,

everything was fine. But when the leadership of that church

let the enemy in, things began to change. The authorities

who first got a whiff of trouble six weeks ago

when a woman Nicole Bernard, that's Bernard's wife. Bernard was

the mastermind, called the sheriff's office from Ohio to say

she had fled the town to save her child from

sexual abuse. And still trying to piece together what happened.

This is what the finders was like this next paragraph.

Nine people have been arrested. So they arrested nine people.

It's not just one. A dozen computers have been seized,

at least some of which the police believe contained child pornography,

as well as dozens of videotapes, hundreds of computer discs

in eight large boxes of documents and photographs. So they

had like a huge network they were using computer and stuff.

Like who has hundreds of computer discs?

Speaker 3: Right?

Speaker 2: Somebody making movies or something.

Speaker 4: Now this is a question for both Walter and William

now considering it was once a Christian church with tax

e zip status that kind of covertly switched over to Satanism.

Would there be any financial ramifications from like the I

R S as part of those charges.

Speaker 2: My understanding is that the church is still in use.

It's just under different proprietorship, Like there's a new pastor there.

Oh okay, like it's called like a Christian Center or

something like that.

Speaker 1: If it's still basically if the paperwork is still on

file and they're still filing what they need to file,

they could change it to the Gospel of Bozo the

Clown and they see the file once or whatever it is.

Speaker 3: Yeah, they would you know, be tax exempt and such.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so the irony is, you know, at

least they probably weren't paying taxes, you know. Yeah, I'm

not saying at least like that's a good thing. Yeah,

at minimum they were you know, not paying taxes and

whatever money was going through there, you know, were there

was there any discussion of that of maybe money being

laundered on behalf of.

Speaker 2: It didn't come across like anything I read, I didn't

see that. Like it's like they don't they don't see

the whole network. What is everybody doing in this whole group?

How are they making money, how are they getting income?

How are they paying like the least for the church,

right or the mortgage church?

Speaker 1: What what's the number on missing children in that area?

Speaker 2: That good question. What other crimes have taken place in

the last five or ten years around there?

Speaker 1: You know they could have been money on children.

Speaker 4: What year was Katrina?

Speaker 3: Oh, that's a really good question.

Speaker 4: Oh five, so that was uh.

Speaker 2: Four, it's right around this time.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Interesting? How much evidence for that would be washed away in.

Speaker 2: That twenty five August twenty ninth, two thousand and five. Interesting,

So this is may so not that pretty close right

after this, Yeah, I'm one of the interesting.

Speaker 1: Any connections to the mega churches?

Speaker 2: I didn't see it. But what's interesting is that this guy,

Christopher Labat twenty four was a deputy sheriff of Tangy

Pohoa parish, so the same parish as a member in there.

So there's somebody who's either infiltrated or as a member

of the Satanic cult in the in the police force.

It's being investigated.

Speaker 4: What denomination of Christian entity was this?

Speaker 2: Again, Protestant in general?

Speaker 4: I don't know this Protestant. Isn't there like some sort

of cancel that's like over all the Protestant churches.

Speaker 3: It depends, it depends what.

Speaker 2: It depends what.

Speaker 1: The Methodists have their own, the Baptists have their own,

and when you get into what's called non denominational, it

becomes even more vague.

Speaker 4: I see.

Speaker 1: And uh Now the Evangelicals, those that are would be

officially labeled evangelical. I think they have an authority over them, right, yeah,

it just like like William said, it depends on Hey, hey.

Speaker 4: Walter, So based on the evidence that has been presented here,

what what entity do you think they were venerating.

Speaker 1: Well, I've looked to see if they were a dark

kalie Ma. Yeah, angle, I'm still looking. That's why I'm looking,

because you know, the the and and the KLi mothing

was mostly I misspoke, that was mostly the cattle mutilations.

As we know, cows are sacred in Hinduism. In an

official colleague veneration in worship that is forbidden. But there

is the left hand dark path.

Speaker 5: Like and to get booty is and there is the

the dark path where they do the opposite things. So

a rogue groups, say kali Ma worshipers, would do the opposite, right,

would slaughter cows and stuff. Now, I would have to

look closer to be able to you know, try to

answer that with inaccuracy, but.

Speaker 1: That it's in there. It'll be in there.

Speaker 3: Yeah.

Speaker 4: So that's interesting because you know, with those cattle mutilations,

there was the cows were drained of blood.

Speaker 1: Yes, which makes that interesting. But in this one, as

William pointed out, they were killing cats. And I don't

know if maybe, and I'm just drawing this out of

the air, Okay, maybe there's some dark Egyptian magic that

sacrifice cats. Cats were holy and venerated to the Egyptians, right,

so that would you know, to them, sacrificing that holy

animal would be you know, kind of like the sacrificial

virgins right in uh in some cultures where they throw

them in the volcano or whatever. They are the virgins,

they're venerated, so you know, you're offering the great offering

to the gods. So I don't know if anyone's ever

thought of, you know, the Egyptian possibility.

Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's really interesting because that that that's the

vibe you get with like the animal mask too, is

like I was saying, like because the Eah god has

a different animal head.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And and Egyptian magic is called heckett h

e k A t, which is you know, you spelled

hecatay add an e on there. So there is a

general connection to hecata there. But it's the type of

connection that makes all the paranoiacts say, you see, see

she's an evil, dark entity, demon, this, that and the other,

and they don't know what they're doing about.

Speaker 4: Did you guys note that one of the main scholars

of the early Druid culture is a guy named Hecateus.

Speaker 2: No, wow, I'm not surprised though.

Speaker 4: It's just a really unfortunate name, you know, it's one

of those Greek names.

Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting that you mentioned Katrina, because here's what

this picture says, reborn because in the church was decimated

by Hurricane Katrina and Christian and the Christian Life Church

was erected.

Speaker 3: So wow, it's already gone.

Speaker 4: This is the new so they built, they had to

build a new church.

Speaker 2: It sounds like a rebuilding or something to.

Speaker 1: Kind of rebless desecrated Brown.

Speaker 4: You would definitely have to rebless the church. And I mean,

let's not forget like with these churches. Don't forget what

Father Malachi Martin said about the enthronement of the Enemy

or throw men of the Prince and the Centadel of

the Enemy. The Luciferian ritual that happened in the Vatican

as well as in a Catholic church in either uh

South or North Carolina. Interesting, Yeah, that was if you

read in the Shadow of the Vatican that believe they

at least the South Carolina part of it was confirmed

via the church's records.

Speaker 2: Interesting. This says the entity named the Yellow King, a

reference to Love Claraff's Cuthulhu.

Speaker 3: Mit.

Speaker 2: Those character Hastuur the real life Abuse Cult claimed their

rituals were legally deemed satanic in nature. Apart from the

several characters in the series were directly inspired by the

ones involved in the Asana Church scandal, including pastor Billy

Lee Tuttle and the Louisiana Governor Ed Tuttle. Oh that's right,

So Ed Tuttle was his brother? Is he played by somebody?

I don't remember.

Speaker 4: I don't remember either.

Speaker 2: They Yeah, yeah, but that's you know, there's like a

Landry family in Louisiana. Have you ever heard of them?

They like run the state. They're all politicians, and they've

like their kids become governors and stuff like that that

I have that the references too.

Speaker 4: Like this got huge political dynasty.

Speaker 2: Sounds like a bush dynasty or something like that.

Speaker 6: Right, I was trying to see if anything would top

a you know, quick look at Egyptian traditions.

Speaker 3: I like not finding.

Speaker 4: Anything yet, maybe like like a Google search of like

what culture's sacrificed cats? Could you know? I know that

there's animal sacrifice in Greece, so I mean that might

turn up something because they used to sacrifice dogs the

heck ate.

Speaker 1: Well, guys, we got about three minutes.

Speaker 4: Let's uh okay, Hey, William, where can we find you?

Speaker 2: William Ramsey investigates podcasts. I've got five books available on Amazon,

and you can see my five documentaries on my Patreon page.

Speaker 4: Yeah that's awesome, man, Hey, thank you so much for

coming on. Uh, this was an awesome show and awesome information,

well really dark information, uh that I'm sure most of

the public, which is the they did you know, to

turn a blind eye to. But you really you can't.

You can't turn a blind eye to this stuff or

you may fall prey to it.

Speaker 1: Hey, real quick to try and begin to answer your question.

I did look that up. And yes it's an Egyptian tradition,

the worship and veneration of best stetts should be sacrificed.

Speaker 4: Interesting and we'll start Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1: So for sure another great discussion involving True Detective Season

one's that's right, never never stop to get it.

Speaker 2: There's more to that story. There is a book to

be written on Hosanna, just Hosannah itself, just for a memorialization,

because there's enough information in there and it's like inspired.

Like in the peer political world or alternate media, everybody

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Speaker 1: Well, it strikes a chord.

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Speaker 4: And on social media, all of us are on carrier

pigeon UH. And then they just updated it, so now

you get to keep the pigeon once you get the message.

Speaker 1: What's carrier pigeon, I'm clearly not.

Speaker 4: On social media for the Amish. By the Amish, you

write a little note, you attach it to the pigeon's leg,

and now that they've been giving the pigeons cocaine, they

go three or four times faster than they love and

you get to eat them. That's food. There you go.

Speaker 1: You know, yeah, there's some joke about pigeons. Oh rats

with wings, that's what they're.

Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, you're not allowed to feed them in Florence, William,

have a great rest of your evening, my friend.

Speaker 2: Thanks for having me about. Thanks for definitely Yeah, all

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