The MKULTRA Hearings with Mind Control Expert Dr. Eric Karlstrom.
The MKULTRA Hearings with Mind Control Expert Dr. Eric Karlstrom.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we're live. Hi. This William Ramsey. Welcome to William
Ramsey Investigates On today's show. I have a very special guest,
returning guest. This will be our eighth episode. His name
is doctor Eric Carlstrom. It's k A R L S
t R O M. If you listen to my show
for a while, his voice will be familiar. We've covered
some great topics in the past on his psychotronics and gangstalking,
also the Targeted Individual program MACY conferences MP Ultra, doctors, scientists, spies,
and politicians. One of my favorite episodes we did together
is one titled Reinterpretation of Post World War Two American
History in light of MK black Ops. I was from
twenty twenty two. We also did Timeline to BT System
and mass Shooting is the Monarch Project and program to
kill those We've done those about three or four years ago.
It's hard to believe, but he's MK Ultra hearings through
Congress and I thought he would be the perfect guest
to talk about him. He's done a lot of research.
He has multiple websites. Probably the one that's most important
and salient to this discussion is gang stalkingmindcontrol, cults dot com.
But he has other ones about nine to eleven mind control.
He's still posting, and he is a professor emeritus, so
he's a retired professor. But I'm going to play I'm
going to play this intro from Luna Representative Luna, who
cheered this mk ULTR also is involved in the GfK
files some of those releases. But I think this will
be a great intro. So here it goes.
Speaker 2: This hearing is about the crimes committed by the Central
Intelligence Agency against the American citizens and the decades of
secrecy used to conceal them. The American people deserve a
complete and truthful record, The victims and their families deserve acknowledgment,
and this Congress has a constitutional obligation to ensure that
full de classification is not delayed at any longer. Project
MKULTRO was not a policy failure or an overzealous program
that got out of hand. It was a deliberate, systematic,
governmental operation that subjected American citizens, prisoners, hospital patients, veterans,
ordinary people to LSD, electroshock hypnosis, sensory deprivation, psychological torture
without their knowledge or consent. This went on for twenty
years on American soil, funded by American tax payer dollars
and authorized by the very top of US intelligence apparatus.
And this program when it did end, the men who
ran it did not cooperate with investigators. They did not
come forward. They committed another crime. They destroyed evidence. The
documents this task force has reviewed are unambiguous. In January
nineteen seventy three, the Director of the CIA, Richard Holmes,
prepared to leave office. He personally ordered the destruction of
m kulture records. The CIA official document in writing states,
over my stated objectives, the mkultro files were destroyed by
the order of DCI mister Helms shortly before his departure
from office. A separate internal account confirms that Helms telephoned
doctor Gottlieb directly and instructed him to destroy quote all
files pertaining to drug research and associated activities. Gottlieb completed
or compiled four people, spent an entire day tearing burning
down one hundred and fifty two files. Then Gottlieb had
his personal papers destroyed by his secretary before he retired.
The head of the CIA owned Records Center protested the
destruction in writing, but he was overruled. That is obstruction
of justice, that is criminal destruction of federal records, and
neither individuals were ever charged with a crime for it.
Helms received a two thousand dollars fine for lying to
Congress about an unrelated manner and collected his government pension
until he died. Gottlieb retired in rural Virginia and wrote poetry.
No one went to prison. No victim was ever formally
compensated by the government for the harm that they caused.
By nineteen seventy five, the Church Committee and the Rockefeller
Commission had already established, through sworn testimony and the surviving
nineteen sixty three Inspector General port that mkultra existed and
that the CIA had to run a program of human
experimentation on unwitting Americans. The scope in detail of what
we know today is largely because of an accident. In
nineteen seventy seven, an archivists, diligently complying with a Foyer request,
discovered seven boxes of MKTRA financial records that had been
misfiled and escaped the bonfire. Those seven boxes included the
names of institutions, the name of sub projects, the researchers
who who participated the specific operation that the CIA had funded,
and without them, the vast majority of m KULTRA would
only be a rumor, just as Helms and Gottlieb intended.
Those seven boxes revealed the MKULTRA comprised at least one
hundred and forty nine subprojects, operated across more than eighty institutions,
and involved one hundred and eighty five non government researchers.
They revealed that the CI covertly contributed three hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars to a hospital research wing which
was approved directly by DCI Allen Dolis, which Richard Helm's concurrence,
so the agency could use unwitting patients as experimental subjects
in what their own documents called a hospital safe house.
The cio owns Inspector General said in nineteen sixty three,
his Classify report concluded that the program had exceeded the
agency's legal chapter and covert testing on unwitting subjects placed
the rights and interests of US citizens in jeopardy. The
program rent for a decade that we know of, and
they ignored their own watchdog. Let me be clear what
I believe that we are dealing with here, administering drugs
to people without their knowledge or consent, subjecting humans to
psychological torture, and using prisoners and hospital patients as non
consenting research subjects. These are crimes against humanity. The Central
Intelligence Agency committed them, and then the director of the
CIA was ordered or was ordering, the destruction of evidence.
Speaker 1: All right, So that was her statement, not the full statement.
But doctor Eric Carlstrom, welcome to the show. And are
these crimes are the mk ultra crimes against humanity? What
do you think?
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me on again, William. It's always
very interesting to kind of share our viewpoints and our information.
I'm a retired geography professor who retired and after a
thirty year university teaching career in twenty eleven. And at
that point I was fairly young for a retired guy,
sixty two, and I just started researching things that I
thought were extremely important, and so I do not claim
expertise as a psychologist. However, I did write an extended
series is Crestone Baca, Colorado, my hometown, the Vatican city
of the New World Order, bose of the New World Religion.
I started writing this series in twenty eleven. I'm still
completing it now, all these years later, fifteen years later,
and part six of this one one investigation led to another.
So I've got about fifteen books worth of parts to
this and then about three hundred appendices, and that's all
on my nine to one one nWo dot com website
under New World Religion question mark and as I as
I came, yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: That's that's it right there.
Speaker 3: As I came, I was really going fast in those
days twenty eleven. I had lots of energy. I was
really curious. I was finding answers. I was using the Internet,
which has which I think was quite a bit more
reliable even fifteen years ago before Cass Sunstein got into
all his cognitive infiltration ops. But anyway, so there's a
lot of information available on the internet. A lot of
my work was just cutting and pasting as fast as
I could to understand as much as I could, And
before I ever wrote an official book, I went on
to the next topic. And so my chapter or part
six is mind control History and Applications, which I spent
the whole year of twenty twelve writing mind Control History
and Applications. I read about fifty books, which I've got
here in my library in Colorado, and basically did a
literature review, which is what academics do when they're starting
a project. And there's been a lot of work done
to pick up on where doctor were Representative Luna left off.
The yes CIA director Helms got wind that there was
going to be an investigation of covert CIA activity in
the seventies, and in nineteen seventy three he ordered the
destruction of ten boxes, not seven as she said, of
documents that were highly redacted.
Speaker 4: That but there were.
Speaker 3: Ten boxes found in the Financial Records Department, and so
a foyer request by a state department employee named John
Marx allowed him to recover those ten boxes. He got
a team of very smart people individuals to go through
these fifteen thousand pages of redacted documents, highly redacted, and
they were able to identify, as representative Luna said, one
hundred and forty nine mk Ultra subprojects that ran between
nineteen fifty three when the program started and about nineteen
seventy three, and they were able to identify, you know,
major psychologists at major universities such as doctor Ewan Cameron
and doctor jolly On West et cetera, who were contracting
with the CIA, and they were able to figure out
I think some eighty five major institutions, major universities, major
military basis, all involved with these very very top secret programs.
It was more secret even well, it was as secret
as the Manhattan Project. It was the Manhattan Project of
the mind. They were spending a billion dollars a year
on this how to control behavior, how to control the mind,
using every possible avenue that they could find, from electroshock
therapy to LSD to all manner of drugs, every drug
they could think of, to hypnotism, to radio frequencies, electromagnetic frequencies,
and after nineteen sixty they realized, hey this you know,
the way to go is electromagnetic frequencies.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: By this time they did recovered radio hypnotic intra cerebral
control I see UH and electronic dissolution of memory EATAM, which,
according to Lincoln Lawrence, who's a pseudonym for a professor
who wrote a book called Were We Controlled the investigation
of the JFK assassination? He says RhI C and EEDOM,
electronic dissolution and memory were in fact used during the
JFK assassination operation.
Speaker 1: So well we start to interrupt, but he actually argues
that Oswald had something installed in his brain.
Speaker 3: So absolutely, yes, implants this was. This was again you know,
going back to the okay, one hundred and forty nine
subproject saw b Cells of Texas Christian University had put
together a request to the CIA which was funded, and
this became MK Ultra subproject or excuse me, one nineteen,
and in that astonishing let me just mention this one
in particular because I think it has everything to do
with the modern targeted individual program which we've talked about.
This is Subproject one nineteen. The admitted goal was quote
interpretive survey of work being done in psycho physiological research
and instrumentation. The five goals of the project were bioelectric
sensors Okay, that's implants sources of significant electrical potential and
methods of pickup. So they're streaming signals, intelligence or radio
frequencies or electromagnetic frequencies back and forth between an individual
and another other individuals who were working a computer called
an auto correlator, which had been invented by doctor Norbert
Weener several years prior in nineteen fifty five. Okay, so
number two you or the b The next goal was
recording amplification electronic tape and other multi channel recording. Okay,
so they want to they want to be able to
download and record the EEGs or electro encephalogram that give
brain waves that are given off from the subject's head
and c analysis autocorrelators. That's the machine that doctor Norbert
Wiener discovered in nineteen fifty five at MIT, world class
mathematician uh spectrum analyzers. Spectral analysis allowed him to interpret
these wavy lines of brain waves for the first time.
And the coordination with automated data automatic data processing equipment. Okay,
so this is a nineteen fifty nine uh DE standardization
of data for correlation and biochemical, physiological and behavioral indices
and e. This is the This is the sentence that
Stick sticks with.
Speaker 4: May always when.
Speaker 3: Techniques of activation of the human organism by remote electronic means,
in other words, mind control at a distance. Again, they
had already got radio hypnotic interest and rebral control, combining
the electromagnetic frequency interpretation with hypnotism, and they.
Speaker 1: Had already they had this. Not sorry to interrupt, doctor,
but they had this back and they were talking about
in the fifties and sixties, and Wiener is a very
important people. Just to kind of expand on what you're saying,
he wrote God and Gallum a comment on certain points
where cybernetics and pinges on religion and also cybernetics or
control and communication in the animal and the machine. So
like incredible stuff. So he was working on all this
kind of MK Eltra stuff.
Speaker 3: Very important figure, like you say he was, he was
a Jewish prodigy. I think he got his PhD, you know,
at the age of nineteen or something like that at
MIT and went on to make contributions in this field.
The book you just quoted is nineteen forty eight on cybernetics,
major major contribution, which became the main subject of the
Macy Conferences, which ended just as the CIA's MK Ultra
program began in nineteen fifty three. A whole series of
secret conferences from nineteen forty two to nineteen fifty three,
the Macy Conferences, bringing together the top scientists in the world,
especially England and the United States.
Speaker 1: And we covered that in an earlier show. We covered
the Macy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we covered the Macy conferences. But yeah, Wiener wrote
in nineteen fifty the something about the use of human beings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his other one is the human use of human beings.
And there you go fifty.
Speaker 3: Like wow, yes, yeah, so you know this. The goal
was already understood by these these mad scientists back in
the forties and fifties of controlling human behavior and creating
through remote electronic means bio robot slaves or cybernetic slaves.
Speaker 4: And this is not a pretty topic.
Speaker 3: This is this is like when you when you look
at the torture and the trauma that were imposed on
people to break the break down their minds. Uh in
these mk ultra experiments which which used you know, tens
of thousands or more unwitting human test subjects. This is
this is torture and the worst kind of torture. Doctor
Ewan Cameron at the Allen Memorial Institute at McGill University
in Canada was head or president of the American psycho
Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the World Psychiatric Association,
and he would good friends with Sir General Doctor John
rollings Reese, who had started the Tavis doc Clinic out
of the British Psychological Warfare Unit right after World War One,
so he was from Scotland. He was a friend of
John rollings Reese. This goal of controlling the human mind
scientifically certainly goes back to World War One with the
Tavistock Clinic, and then it gets picked up with the
Macy's Conference and the mk ultra again top top, top, top,
top secret. And so what we saw in the nineteen
seventy seven Church hearings Senate hearings was some exposure of this,
the first exposure at the congressional level. But one of
the witnesses at the recent hearings, who I think you've interviewed,
Tom O'Neil, who wrote the book Chaos Charles manson the
CIA and the Secret History of the sixties. He makes
the case that the CIA lied to Congress when they said, oh,
these experiments were a failure, and number one, they were
a failure. Number two they stopped right, they were not
a failure, and they didn't stop.
Speaker 1: They're a blazing success, guys. They were a blazing success.
The mk ultra or whatever you want to call it,
the human behavioral control were incredible. The what they achieved
the human mind barely can comprehend.
Speaker 3: And it's frightening. Of course, the spinoffs and an mk
ULTR will use as an umbrella term for great many
top secret mind control projects. There was Operation Chatter by
the Navy in nineteen forty seven. There was Project Bluebird
in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1: They were Naomi, Naomi.
Speaker 3: MICK, Naomi MK search, MK often stargate. A whole series
of these things which have turned into black projects, that
is to say, they are they are denied and classified,
and only you know, certain individuals with the need to
know get to know about these things. And I think
the Targeted Individual Program is quite obviously the continuation of
these these these programs we have, you know, we know
we have guantanam Obey and Abu Grabe torture detention centers.
Speaker 1: Find control techniques, right, So like sensory deprivation isolation, the
whole thing that you and Karon was.
Speaker 3: Doing exactly, And and I would say the t I
program of the Target Individual program is basically get MO
Open Air GITTMO. In other words, we can do this
electronically and remotely. Now we can let the people walk around,
but we can still control their lives with these exotic
called non lethal weapons.
Speaker 4: Doctor.
Speaker 1: But during the Epstein investigation that's taking place in New
Mexico for people who don't know there, with New Mexico,
the legislature, the state legislature set aside two million dollars
to investigate when on a Zora ranch, and one of
the women involved in this investigation said that she was
targeted by non lethal weaponry to the extent where she
got some kind of something went wrong with her nervous
system and she's leaving the country. I'll try to find
that while you're talking. Sorry, so this is this is
present day events, this is twenty twenty six. This literally
happened within the last month. I'll try to bring that up.
Sorry interrupt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fine, Yeah, I mean she would be a
targeted individual, but I have to you know, I'm afraid
to have to break it to her. Is not going
to do any good to leave the country because this
is a global problem, global program, the program, her protocol
will follow her wherever she goes. I've proven that I'm
a targeted individual myself. I started these I started writing
this article in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I realized I
was a targeted individual and began, you know, struggling to
survive because this program is designed to take you out,
to neutralize you, to eliminate you, to deplatform you, to
deperson you, to you know, soft kill. These are soft
kill weapons, and they involve all kinds of advanced weapons
that people are just beginning to learn about, things like
voice to skull, synthetic calypathy, remote neural monitoring, brain the
computer interface, brain to brain interface, high of mind. All
of this comes out of MK Ultra and the and
the suite of top secret project that we associate with
MK ULTRA. So I would say very much when we've
only just we're only scratching the very very surface of
this of this issue with these one and a half
hour hearings so far, one and a half hours.
Speaker 1: It's nothing. It's nothing. Yeah, No, you're absolutely right. I
think it's important because she's bringing it into the public
much like the JFK hearings. At least they're using Congress
to bring awareness and bringing other experts. I would say
O'Neil and Kinzer, who wrote Poisoner in Chief about Godlieb,
are both just people there are accessible. You can buy
their books and figure stuff out. But it's a vast
knowledge and bringing up normer Wiener is really important because
you see these academics who are super intelligent writing about
this stuff, not in obvious ways. They don't go, I'm
writing this about in chay Elt, but they're writing really
sophisticated academic papers about mind control. Whether it's Esterbrooks or
Wiener or Ericson or all these other guys. They're super smart.
But here's that article I was mentioning to you. I
don't know if you're aware of this, but there it is.
It's a reporter who investigated Jeffrey Epstein's fleeing the US
after alleged directed at energy weapons attack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: And this this all fits in with what we call
the Havana syndrome. In twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, a
whole number of Canadian American diplomats in Cuba, Havana, Cuba
were incapacitated with these directed energy weapons. I have I
have got on my Gangstocking mind control Cults dot com website.
Speaker 4: Lecture by a.
Speaker 3: Guy named doctor James Canton, who is advisor to top
military people and governments, and and he's speaking in front
of special operations groups and he's discussing with other experts
like doctor James Giordano, who considers himself a quote neuroweaponologist,
discussing the Havena syndrome symptoms and saying, yeah, this is
this has proven technology, this is a proof of concept operation.
And then he's very coy about suggest testing who actually
carried it out. He said, there just has to be
a there's only a few candidates. I myself think it
was the US government or Israel would be the logical too,
But these individuals have been quote unquote and this is
doctor Canton's words taken out of the game. He said,
I want him taken out of the game. I don't
want him to be able to get back in.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: That's these non lethal weapons quote unquote, they can they
can kill you. They can be very lethal. But these
non lethal weapons are used in war and in peace
to take out selected individuals who you know, the power
structure wants to take out, basically the military intelligence industrial
complex and people who perhaps are mislabeled terrorists in the
terrorist screening database of the departments wherever.
Speaker 1: They want to miss label and it's like what they
do on social media. Basically they'll just put black dot
or a flag that the user will never see. The
government will do that, and then your aunts on, you're
good to go. They can target you with whatever harassment, character, assassination.
I mean, the vast resources are incredible, and so I
think one of the modern things is like this girl
who's Rodriguez or whatever her name is. She's one of
the people like, hey, we don't want people asking questions
about human trafficking, sacrifice, cannibalism and stuff like that. So
they're willing to put this app literally, you put this
app on people like her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone who is inconvenient, you know. Going back to
the Havana syndrome again twenty sixteen twenty seventeen timeframe, these
individuals who worked with for the government were incapacitated. They've had,
you know, problems, mental problems since they're not dead, but
they they can't work, and I think some of the
Americans have gotten some recompense, but there's never been an admission.
Speaker 4: Of who did it.
Speaker 3: However, another term that has been thrown out for the
Havana syndrome is anomalous health incidents or AHI to me,
that has the CIA's fingerprints on it. You know, both
syndrome and anomalous healths. And it suggests that you know,
we don't know what this is, you know, and we
damn well do know what it is if you if
you studied this. This is the non lethal weaponry that
the military has been has been using ever since the
eighties with their quote unquote Revolution in Military Affairs RMA.
Speaker 4: We've we've had a revolution.
Speaker 3: In the military. Now we're more into unconventional warfare, asymmetrical warfare,
information warfare, cyber warfare, and the new newest of all
is the sixth warfare domain, called cognitive warfare or also
known as mind war or neocortical warfare. This is something
that NATO right now is pioneering, but it is used
in all of our military branches, in addition to the
other five major domains, which are land, sea, air space,
and cyberspace. So now you've got six warfare domains. Cognitive
war fare is war against the mind. And in fact,
this is something that Winston Churchill predicted during World War Two.
He said, all future wars will be fought, you know,
in the mind. And so I think this helps explain
the enormous amount of research that has gone into this
and yet this has been kept secret from us, So
the spinoffs from the MK ultra are just absolutely enormous.
But before I get into some of those spinoffs, let
me just recommend what I think is needed for meaningful
MK ulture hearings. I think they would have to be public.
They that would probably last one to five years. They'd
have to be conducted by independent academic agencies and paid
for by Congress. They would have to include testimonies of
at least fifty human non consensual human test subjects the victims.
They would have to include testimonies from fifty psychiatrists involved
and as well as independent psychologists psychiatrists and fifty military
and intelligence people involved, and fifty independent military intel people,
ten funding agencies involved, twenty institutions involved, representatives of ten
and ten military and ten intelligence agencies involved. In other words,
let's get serious about this if we're going to expose
this how the taxpayer money has been paid to run
psychological operations and social engineering, trauma based mind control projects
against the American people, like the Manson murders, like the
jfk assassination, like the rfk assass nation, like.
Speaker 1: MLK, Yeah, timpt On Ford. While at George Wallace, They're
all there's all suspect things going on and up to
the present. Tyler Robinson. Actually the guy well I don't
forgot his name, but the guy supposedly tried to shoot
uh Trump at the White House. Like there's been these
other assassins, this most recent guy was hyper sketchy, and
Trump seemed to know that it was happening. In my opinion,
I forgot his name, but he was somehow made it
onto like the White House grounds or whatever, like really strange.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, these are all CIA operations or or they
are contracted out to you know, private intelligence agencies that
are you know, cutouts of the CIA. May be headed
by x CIA guys or maybe you know, with help
from their partners in Masad and their partners in mi
I six and other intelligence agencies.
Speaker 4: Nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know the combination of Israel and the
British and American intelligence agencies working to create these social
chaos through these staged events. You know, we can trace
it all now with with with this information. And Tom
O'Neil did a good job with his book Chaos because
he he showed that this one MK ultra spychiatrist if
you will, from UCLA. Doctor Lewis Jollyon West was the
handler and the psychiatrist for Charles Manson, who was just
a you know, loser in the prison system who was
put under mind control and given mind control techniques so
that and so he could form a cult and then
get his cult followers to go assassinate strangers, which in
turn helped the MH Chaos CIA program that discredited the
hippie movement in the eyes of the American public in
nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 4: This was the goal.
Speaker 3: So this rogue operation, it was a CIA operation. And
how do we know that, Well, it was the CIS
psychiatrist who handled not only Charles Manson before and after,
but also Sir Hanserhn, the patsy in the rfk assass
nation and also Jack Ruby, the assassin of Lee Harvey
Oswald in the jfk assass nation nineteen sixty three. Also
Timothy McVeigh in nineteen ninety five Oklahoma City bombing. So
there's a standard operating procedure here. You have your patsy's,
you know, including of course Osama bin Laden and Lee
Harvey Oswald, et cetera. Then you have your professional killers
who are of course Special Operations people. And then you
have your moles in the government to help facilitate this.
This is what doctor Webster tarply said in his book
about nine to eleven Synthetic Terror made in the USA said,
this is how these state sponsored synthetic false flag terror
operations operate. Going back to Kennedy and and and up
to nine to eleven and many others. You have again,
you have your your moles in the government at Cheney
and Bush, et cetera. And people in the Pentagon who
were you know, signed off on this nine to eleven
for instance. And then you have your patsies in this
case uh Osama bin Laden, carefully groomed former CIA operative himself.
And then you have your spent, your your your professional killers,
the Special Operation forces. So that that that is the
template for all of these operations which create fear and
chaos in the body politics and in the American public.
Speaker 1: And that's that goes back to the theme of O'Neill,
who's at this hearing talking about chaos, And it goes
back to you. Actually even in include the Symbionese Liberation Army,
there's all jolly and West is involved there about Hurst too,
so he testified at trial and she was subjected to
the same thing. All these other people were sensory deprivation,
repetitive codes, behavioral modification, incredible stuff. They took this rich
kid and turned her into a revolutionary guys. So if
you think like, oh, this is impossible, Patty Hurst is
a perfect example. She was like literally like a waspy
lead you know, of the Hurst family. And next thing
you know, she had some revolutionary name robbing a bank.
They can do it, they can do They did it.
The first the person whose name I couldn't remember, sorry, Eric,
was this guy Cole Thomas Allen. Thomas Allen who tried
to supposedly shoot Trump April twenty fifth. It's just not
that long ago. I think this guy had all the
telltale signs of something strange. Because also there was like
a mentalist at this performance. It wasn't at the White House,
it was the Correspondence Center. So I apologize anyway, Sorry
to start an end up.
Speaker 4: No very good.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're bringing it right up to the present.
This is how it's done.
Speaker 4: This is how.
Speaker 3: Intelligence agencies working on behalf of the super rich, you know,
the bankers, the illuminati, if you will. You know the
Marothschilds and and the Rockefellers, etc. In the bushes who
are all these very high satanic Illuminati families who have
enormous control over central banking operations in the world. This
is how they get the nations of the world to
behave in the way that they script. And it you know,
the intelligence agencies along with the military are involved in
all of these. It has to be such because it
wouldn't wouldn't It wouldn't happen otherwise because we do have
you know, the biggest military and probably we've got seventeen
major intelligence agencies. CIA is just probably the top one,
but there's many, each.
Speaker 1: So complex that they don't even know certain things. Within
the intelligence community. It's like a byzantine wilderness, just the
National Security Intelligence, which is why they had to get
a director over it who got fired or she quit
or whatever. Tulsi Gavern, Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that was very very telling. She's the
director of National Intelligence, which she was until she quit,
and then supposedly, well she would be the boss over
all of the intelligence agencies, but under her watch. Apparently
the story, the script is that she wanted to release
the JFK files and the MK Ultra files, and the
CIA came in and said, nope, we're going to take those.
Speaker 4: So they pulled rank.
Speaker 3: They said, okay, you're the boss of us, but we're
going to take these and we're not going to let
you expose them. Well, if they ever do release these files,
along with the millions of other classified national security files
classified under national.
Speaker 4: Security, we will see the nature.
Speaker 3: Of the crimes that have been committed by our military
and intelligence agencies against the people of America and the
people of the world. There are lots of victims in
these crimes, and I'm sure that they justify it, you know,
to themselves, as we have to control public perception and
these events and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But they're going to they always use the excuse of
the Communists. We're doing it too. Yeah, we got to
do it because they had this whole thing where they
poisoned this priest and Hungary and all these people were
coming back from the Korean War and saying strange things,
so we got to we gotta ramp this up as well. Right,
It's all that's why the man cheering candidate, that's where
that kind of concept comes from, is from the beginnings
of the Cold War, and these Cold warriors who were
World War two guys all kind of coming together to
kind of start the brain war a fair as Alan
Tolis said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Alan Dellis also said, we need human guinea pigs,
and of course they went ahead and found those guinea pigs,
none of whom have been recompensed. In Canada, the nine
of the victims of doctor Ewan Cameron at McGill University
settle out of court with the Canadian government and the
CIA and got about six hundred thousand dollars each. That's
the only restitution that any of the tens of thousands,
perhaps hundreds of thousands of victims of these crimes against
humanity have gotten. So the criminals, and you just have
to call.
Speaker 4: It what it is.
Speaker 3: These psychiatrists, these intelligence these military people are doing crimes
against humanity. These criminals have not been identified. Well, they've
been identified, we can identify them, we've been identifying them,
but they have not been called to account. They've not
been punished. But on your previous point about you know,
the Cardinal Menzizi and in Russia, exce Helms, CIA director
Richard Helms, who followed Alan Dallas said, we were always
five years ahead of the Soviets in mind control. So basically,
I think, what has I mean, That's all they do
is lie to us, So they use this as an excuse.
Speaker 4: So we got to keep up with.
Speaker 3: The Chinese and the Russians because they're doing all this
terrible mind control stuff. But in fact Helms admitted that
we were always five years we being the United States government,
always five years ahead of the enemy. And yeah, of course,
our war against communism all purpose enemy strategy changed to
war against terror and terrorism based on the Global War
on Terror documents and agreements that were made between Israel
and the United States in nineteen seventy eight and nineteen
eighty five. So gradually, then the war on Terror becomes
a multipurpose. We can now identify anybody we don't like
as a terrorist nation or a terrorist group, or a
tterist individual. We can strip them of all their civil
liberties and essentially create a two tiered justice system, which
we have in this country. Because that that woman who
complained in Zora Ranch, she has been stripped of her
innate civil liberties that are guaranteed to her by the Constitution.
So this is entirely extra legal, extra constitutional. The FBI
is totally in on a Department of Homeland Security, the
Department of War, the cops, Citizens oriented policing, They're all
in on this. There's a two tier justice system. And
if you get your name on the terrorist watch list
or any of the blacklists in secret, you don't get
to confront your accusers, you don't get to know even
They will strip you of your civil liberties and put
you through this kind of unconsensual abuse testing using many
of the mk ultra techniques that they have used over
the decades. Now they apply them to anybody anywhere in
the world. As George Bush said after nine to eleven,
the battlefield is now everywhere. The terrorists are hiding amongst us.
You know who are they? Well, we'll tell you.
Speaker 1: For people who don't think that this is plausible or
possible what they found out. There's still litigation ongoing about
McGill and you and Cameron, and during that they've slowly
over the years the decades that this litigation and the
victims have come forward. Actually talked to the daughter of
one of the victims of you and Cameron, and what
they found out is that they were doing testing at
Miguilso in the public's mind, they're like, oh, they're just
testing them and letting them go. That's not the case.
They were doing something else. You and Cameron was doing
mind control experimentation with drugs and electroshock therapy, to the
extent that some of the nurses there thought the person
had died, Like they literally thought they died, Like that's
how intense the ECL was. But what you and Cameron
was doing was studying these people over years in real
world situations with their husbands, their kids, and then they
would come back in for more testing. So people may
think like, oh, he's just doing like tests with a
message board and keeping data. They were following them in
real word to see the effects of their treatments on
them in their family life. That's so important to understand
is that these people inside these academic institutions or hospitals
were treating these people like guinea pigs in the real world.
I can't I think their name. I can't remember the
woman's last name right now, but.
Speaker 3: Linda McDonald is one such who was regressed back. She
was twenty six year old woman who came in with
mild postpartum depression to shee the top psychiatrist in the
world at McGill University. And she was through through sleep
deprivation and then extensive drugging and extensive electroshock therapy and
every imaginable abuse. She was regressed to vegetable state where
she did not know how to go to the bathroom,
She did not recognize her husband or her children. She
was released from you and Cameron's hospital to her family
without knowing what sex was, or who her children were,
or how to go to the bathroom. In other words,
the vegetable state. So his goal, and this again President
of the World Psychiatric Association, was to quote unquote deep
pattern the mind. In other words, Tabla Rosa erased the
mind and then reprogram it through what he called psychic driving.
So deep patterning would be all the abuse uses, all
the electroshock therapy, you know, seventy eight days of drug
induced sleep. I think she was subjected to that as
well as all these other horrors, and then and then
reprogramming would be accomplished through one of his assistants, Rosenfeld
or something like that. A Jewish engineer rigged up a
football helmet with tapes in it, saying, you know, your
mother hates you, You're terrible, you can't do anything, you know,
it just just just completely break the personality down and
so that then they could reprogram the individual. That's the
goal in all of this, to make a mindless bio robot, slave,
ementsary and candidate assassin who who can be triggered, you know,
through codes, cues and triggers, like a computer to commit
a crime and then triggered to forget committing the crime.
Anesia barriers between the subalter personalities which are installed, et cetera.
But yeah, I had a book here called In the
Sleep Room, His story of the CIA brainwashing experiments in Canada,
by Ann Collins, and it talks about Mick, you and
Cameron this this Head of the World Psychiatric Association. Bluebird
is another book by Colin A.
Speaker 4: Ross.
Speaker 1: I've had Colin on I need to reach out to
him again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is an excellent book CIA doctors.
Speaker 1: I think is how it got retitled that was originally
Bluebird and now it exactly it's another book. I can
write another book. I can recommend his father's son ci
A by Harvey want doctor Harvey Weinstein, not that Harvey Weinstein.
But another one, his dad was a victim. And the
victim that I mentioned earlier, her name was Nixon, but
her mom was a Molson. She was, if you know,
kind of beer Molson. When I was growing up, Molson
beer from Canada was like a coveted brand. But this
woman became a victim of you and Cameron, and I
think she said that they were they were They were
targeted women from wealthy backgrounds and trying to turn them
into step for wives. So this whole fictional idea of
a step for wife, these mad scientists, these evil people
were doing that to women to see if they would
be more pliable, like turning them into a kind of
I mean, so the idea of making them a compliance,
subservient sex slave is like a male fantasy. They were
literally doing that. I don't know how extreme it was
for Nixon, but I have to go back and reference her work,
but she said something like that was happening to her mom,
and her mom had to go through very serious self
help and training to regain her capacities, just like these
other victims of you and Cameron. A real monster. And
when you say, Eric about this world psychiatric association, you
and Cameron was at the top, Like, this is one
of the leading figures in psychiatry. This isn't some kind
of guy who got his degrees from some male in university, Like,
this is the top person doing these horrible experience. They
use cerrari on people, if you know what that is.
It's like a neuro toxic drug. Like it's very extreme
where you can't even move. So it's just like incredible stuff. Wow. Yeah,
So this I think this MK ultra hearring is really
important because it's bringing these topics up, and you and
I could talk about.
Speaker 3: It, et cetera, absolutely, and we could, you know, as
far as that cons we can.
Speaker 4: We can keep.
Speaker 3: Talking about it because it is the key to I
think what the World Economic Forum and and the tech
bros of Silicon Valley have in mind for us. I
think ultimately, you know, what they have in mind for
us is this cybernetic enslavement for the masses, the ones
that are not genocided first, and then of course they
want their life extension, immortality, digital immortality. So the spinoffs
from MK ultra are just enormous. Can I rattle off
a few here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Keep going, Yeah, I've got ninety minutes we're at the
forty five minute mark and hopefully get great take ka
questions and stuff in a minute.
Speaker 3: This is why it's so important. Okay, I've got a
few listed here. First of all, the again the creation
of multiple personality or dissociative identity disorder by psychiatrists deliberately
to create mentoring Kennedy assassins, Patsy's now Milton Klein in
nineteen fifty seven, he's a PhD doctor with MK Ultra
said I can make a Patsy in three months. It
takes six months to make an assassin.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: They have the technology through hypnotism to do it back
then in nineteen fifty seven. So yeah, they've been playing
with us for a long time. They make sex slaves, couriers, superspies,
super soldiers, and they're using trauma trauma based mind control torture.
By the way, this trauma based mind control is basically
satanic ritual abuse and satanic ritual murder.
Speaker 4: And so this is.
Speaker 3: These are the techniques they've been used using to program
like a computer, merging man and machine of the human
mind with computers and these again, these MK mind control
Patsy's and assassins We now have demonstrated, through O'Neil's work
and many others, that these have been used in state
sponsored covert UH murders and intelligence ops like the jfk
rfk mlk assass nations, the Manson murders, Oklahoma City bombing,
et cetera. So now we know this is not the Russians,
this is coming from our own intelligence agencies. And the
fact that doctor Lewis Joyon West was the handler of
the psych psychiatrist programmer for these UH patsies and murderers proves.
Speaker 4: That this is part of the cover up. Okay.
Speaker 3: Another major aspect of this mkulture produced the most profound
advances in the art of torture in centuries. I think
you mentioned this Alfred McCoy. Doctor Alfred McCoy has written
about this century deprivation and self harm.
Speaker 1: I've had him on the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good for you.
Speaker 3: Psychological torture is what they're using against all of this
to some extent, but the TIS especially, and they wrote
their Kubark Enhanced Interrogation Manual Torture Manual in nineteen sixty three,
updated in nineteen eighty five based on MK ultra experiments.
This is what's been used at get MO, Guantanamo Bay,
Abu Grab and countless safe houses or torture houses and
secret in public extraordinary rendition centers around the world. So
the Saint pretty this is the CIA torturing people to deaths.
Speaker 4: That's just.
Speaker 3: And there's a great many programs that have used this.
And we know the two Air Force psychiatrists I can't
remember their names, but they were paid ninety million dollars
by the CIA to work with the CIA at Guantanamo
Bay to apply learned helplessness techniques to the poor you know,
Saudi goat herders, who had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: Right, they were all innocent. They were framed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all framed, and they're just picked up off
the street by the CIA, flown to Guantanamo Bay and
used again as human guinea pigs.
Speaker 1: It sorry, but I did a show about that with
the author Kit Claren Burke, so people can check that
out in my archive. Sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And what they're using, these particular psychiatrists who made ninety
million dollars in two years each, they're they're applying the
learned helplessness psychiatric techniques pioneered by doctor Martin Seligman. Back
in nineteen sixty seven, Seligman was testing the effects of
you know, electronic zapping, et cetera on dogs and rats,
and he found that, you know, the rats will go
over here and if you zapp it, and then he'll
try to go a new way and use zapp it,
and then they'll try to go to.
Speaker 4: New way and zapp it.
Speaker 3: Eventually the rat just says OK, he just gives up,
and you.
Speaker 1: Know, and just Seligman became a favorite like psychiatrists and
psychologist for people in d C. Like, you can't write
this stuff.
Speaker 3: University of Pennsylvania. I think he's still alive. And he's
still alive, he's been active.
Speaker 4: He's another Jew. So many of.
Speaker 3: These guys are Jews. Julian West, City of Gottlieb, Martin Seligman.
So there has been.
Speaker 1: Off She Orn all these guys. I think off She's
Jewish Orn. Martin Orn is the name.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't forget too big LSD guy.
Speaker 1: And I involved in her, like he's there's pictures of
Jolly and West sing, Margaret Singer, mark Ton Orn all
together with Flee Bailey. You you can't even write this stuff.
It's so incredible that these guys are involved in the
Patty Hurst situation in SLA Sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, you know I'm old enough to remember
this stuff. I think I'm a little older than you, William,
and I was sixty eight, so yeah, I was born
forty nine. So these things that were happening in sixty eight,
like the assassination of RFK and MLK and all these,
you know, all these incredible trauma based mind control operations
against the American people by our intelligence services affected me deeply.
I was freshman in college at that time, and so
that's when I learned not to trust what the government says,
you know. But going on with these spin offs torture again,
which has now applied to people all around the world.
It is part of the program. Also the development of
these non lethal weapons, electronic electromagnetic frequencies, voice to skull,
synthetic telepathy, remote neural monitoring, brain a computer interface brain
to brain interface, mind reading, mind changing, remotely inducing emotions, thoughts,
subliminal suggestions. All this is spinoff. These are spin offs
of mk Archer research trauma movie.
Speaker 1: Just to play off of what you just said. One
of the interesting things about Helms, He's supposedly burned up
all the MKLT documentaries. I don't believe that's just some
kind of like public relations thing for me. They probably
destroyed him because they learned everything, they didn't need them anymore.
But Helms's kind of advance off of Dolas was this
technology you talked about. He was interested in voice to
skull electromagnetic influence. So like he wasn't some guy who
was like, oh, I'm not going to continue with this.
He was literally kind of like the next step after
Doulas was Helms. So heavily this stuff, Yeah, very much,
very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was a perfect kind of skull and bones kind
of creature, you know, deny everything, claim everything, admit nothing,
you know, this kind of approach to life. And of
course spying spooked him there. Okay, so trauma based mind
control of the masses is applied. I think these are
you know, this is coming out of Tavistock and mk Ultra,
the JFK rfk assassination nine to eleven, COVID, the global
warming fraud, the War on terror fraud. These are all
mind control for the masses. So right from the very
beginning there was two two major directions to which Alan
Dallis mentions and the Tavistock Institute mentions before that, and
that is mind changing for the individual the target, and
then for the group using the same basic techniques trauma
based mind control.
Speaker 4: Of the masses.
Speaker 3: So this is all coming out of the MK Ultra
thing too. So it's not just against individuals or groups.
It can be the whole population can be targeted. Also,
we have NATO's Operation Gladio terror events of the sixties,
seventies and eighties all through Europe, the Phoenix Program during
the Vietnam War use a lot of these techniques against
the Vietnamese civilians and killed them through torture and murder.
The TI program of today, the Targeted Individual Program, which
includes twenty four to seven electronic tracking and tracing regular
psychological and directed energy weapons attacks. It combines this is
a little leesoteric, but I'll throw it out and we
can maybe get to it this time or another time.
I believe, having studied this and experienced it, that the
TI program, the Targeted Individual program, combines subprojects eighty five,
which would be doctor Ewan Cameron's patterning and psychic driving
to torture TIS into being changed from an adversary quote
unquote to an asset quote unquote being reprogrammed to be compliant.
I believe it combines also mk Ultra Subproject one nineteen,
which we talked about already, Solby Cells, Texas Christian University,
remote activation of the human subject electronically from nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 4: I think it.
Speaker 3: Also includes mk Ultra Subproject ninety four remote control of humans, hypnosis,
electrical stimulation of the brain, radio hypnotic intra cerebral control,
and eat them electronic dissolution of memory. I think it
includes Seligman's learned helplessness and Stanleymilgrim's obedience to Authority experiments
of nineteen sixty seven at Yale. Another jew By the way,
so all of these things.
Speaker 1: Sard interrupt. Were you able to confirm that Milgrim's experiments
were funded by mk Ultra.
Speaker 4: Well, i'd have to.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever really been confirmed. It's
been suspected that it was a conduit, and I don't
know if it was ever ever confirmed.
Speaker 4: Ye, that's a good question.
Speaker 3: I know it was in Yale nineteen sixty seven, and
he was Jewish. I know that the experimental results, which
is the two thirds of the subject population are going
to be willing to shock a stranger to death based
on the orders of an authority.
Speaker 1: Figure.
Speaker 3: I know that sixty six percent to ninety percent of
people will do that in obedience to authority, and that
this has been proven time and time and time again
in different cultures, different parts of the world.
Speaker 1: So Milbourne is a guy with a white coat. That's it,
just standing beside with the paper and something to write on.
That's all you need. Something about the authority of the
white coat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or the authority of the FBI badge. In the
case of the targeted Individual program, I mean the infraguard
employee probably x FBI or trained by the FBI, goes
into the neighborhood and said, oh, we've got a person
of interest here, a suspect. Will you help in this,
you know, in this operation. Spy on this person, or
follow this person, or let us use your room so
we can zap them, you know, with directed energy weapons
through the wall or you know whatever. That's obedience to
authority too. That's how you get the public to comply
with destroying their neighbors. And believe me, this is in
progress all around the world. That's how you destroy a society.
Speaker 4: So all of these.
Speaker 3: Things, electronic mind control, ESB, electrical stimulation the brain V
two K, remote neuro monitoring, brain to computer interface, brain
to brain interface, testing weapons, non lethal weapons. All these
things can be applied and are applied as torture to
target individuals today. And I don't know too many people
in Congress who are making this connection, but I did
write to our representative Luna, and I gave her an
article that I've just finished on my MK on my
mind Control Gangstockingmindcontrol Cults dot com website. And that article
has the snappy title. Here, I'll read it out. It's
about two hundred and fifty pages, single spased on eight
and a half eight and a half inch by eleven
inch paper. Entities behind organized stalking, electronic harassment, authoritarian, political, psychotronic, cognitive,
cyber warfare, targeting, torture, terror, non sensual human experimentation, techno, enslavement,
black ops. That's a long way of saying the TI program.
And then the subtitle is testimonial evidence from targeted individuals
military intelligence personnel and agencies, scientists, authors, and others for
ad hoc de facto grand jury. You so We're not
getting any justice from the legal system at all. The
judges are totally down and in on this. But it
is my kind of strategy. In this extended paper, to
quote forty six different experts of all different backgrounds, thirty
of whom are brilliant targeted individuals who also you know,
political insiders and scientists and everything you can imagine to
explain and describe this program. I sent a copy of
this to Representative Luna, and I also sent a copy
of my mind control History and Applications paper to Representative
Luna or to his staff, and I'm hoping there will
be more hearings because.
Speaker 1: Where can I find that document on your website Gang Stalking,
mind Control colds. Is it under a certain date of
the archive?
Speaker 3: I would I would type in entities behind organized Stocking.
You can do that online with any browser and pull
that article up because that I've been working on that
for the last two years. That basically summarizes, I think
the high points of my whole gang Stocking mind Control
calts dot com website.
Speaker 1: And you've been on a rents program for a minute.
I see that you've been on rents quite a bit recently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been doing a lot for him on this.
He's been one of the very few radio hosts who
has got a real history with this program. You do too,
But he has interviewed a lot of targeted individuals over
the years, Eleanor White and Kay Griggs and Karen Stewart
and many others, So he's as up to speed on
this as any as anybody as you are. Actually, I
think you too are kind of in that rare category
of individuals who've not been afraid to look into this.
Speaker 4: But there it is.
Speaker 3: The data is there, the testimonial evidence of forty six experts,
including military and intelligence people, to show that these programs,
although officially denied, are very much ongoing. They are very
much also crimes against humanity, and targeted individuals need help
and restitution and relief from this odious genocidal program. It
is a soft kill eugenics program funded by the government.
Speaker 1: It ruins people's lives. They don't understand what's happening to them,
much like the people involved in MK ultra techniques. They're
kept collect totally in the dark, and they don't Who
spends time reading about like the psychological psychology and the
application of these things. Who wants to read that, so
they don't know, they don't know what's happened to them.
And that's like, I think one of the techniques of
these guys is keep the guinea pig in the dark, right,
I mean, that's the whole thing, especially the kind of
collective application of some of the stuff. And when you
said that collective, it makes me go back to Dolus's
famous statement. I repeat this all the time, but he
gave this talk called brain warfare on April tenth, nineteen
fifty three, at the National Alumni Conference of the Gradual
Council of Princeton University, Hot Springs and Virginia. He and
his brother were both Princeton grads. But the key EPSOT is,
like he says right now, in its new form brain warfare,
the target of this warfare is the minds of men,
both on a collective and on an individual basis. So
a lot of people, when they're thinking about it, they're like, Okay,
there's this poor one person guinea pig, and he's been
tampered with. But that wasn't the aim. They had very
ambitious aims. Like you said, these applications of global warming
or whatever. It's the collective thing, and the fact that
Doulas mentions collective before individual for me is a big tail.
But to go on the one more sentence, it's aim
is to condition the mind so that it no longer
reacts on a free will or rational basis, but responds
to impulses implanted from outside. Bam, it's all there. And
when you see and talk to people around you, they're like, oh,
this doesn't apply. But you'll talk to people, they have
conditioned responses. They'll just blurt out stuff that somebody like
ideas that aren't even theirs. But it's just like a
continued to condition response. Oh that's racism or you know,
why are you doing that? You big it? Or you
know some of these things are really just like they
have implanted this stuff like cast stun seen or something
on these people's minds. They're not thinking rationally and not
using their free will.
Speaker 4: So absolutely good point.
Speaker 3: It's a mind virus that can be installed, you know,
and and the brain can be you know, remote programmed.
And this this is, as you say, applied to the masses.
It's applied to the to everybody. And you know, there's
been great authors. Let me just read a couple couple
more titles here for the individual. Thanks for the memories.
The Truth Has Set Me Free, The Memoirs of Bob
Hopes and Henry Kissinger's Mind Controlled Slave Used as a
Presidential sex Toy and Personal Computer by Bryce Taylor.
Speaker 4: This thing is quite big and long and well written.
Speaker 3: Very bright woman. I'll read a couple more. The Rape
of the Mind by Juice merlu Operation Mind Control, of Course,
The CIA is Plot against America by Walter Bowart, one
of the classics. Michael F. Bell's a t I The
Invisible Crime, Illegal microchip implants and microwave technology and their
use against humanity. Alex Constantine in Psyche Psychic Dictor Dictatorship
in the USA, and that that speaks to what you
just said. And here's the one I was looking for.
Jim Keith Mind Control, World Control. Okay, now now we
know why there's been so much effort on this and
why it's been so secret. Mind Control, World Control, The
Encyclopedia of Mind Control by Jim Keith. These are books
I recommend. Gordon Thomas, the British journalist Journey into Madness,
The True Story of secret CIA mind control and medical abuse,
that has a.
Speaker 1: Lot on Dulas and Cameron and Helms, like it's incredible
they're all together at Georgetown, like it's they were hanging
out as like on a personal level with Gordon Thomas,
Like you cannot even believe the stuff Gordon Thomas is
in DC at the time. It's a it's an incredible
historical piece that Gordon Thomas book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course Britain is very very much impen.
Speaker 1: And all this Sergeant, all those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well your sergeant preceded you and Cameron. You know,
he was he was using ect or electroconvulsive therapy to
fragment and shatter the minds of of innocent people in
Britain back in the you know, period between World War
One and World War Two.
Speaker 1: When Huxley gave his infamous speech at Berkeley in nineteen
sixty three about what was it mind control, he mentioned
Sargeant at the intro. Sergeant at the intro, So he
knew him, he knew of him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a world class teacher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember the name, world class.
Speaker 4: Are you there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here, can you hear me? Yeah? He seems
to have dropped off. Eric's Mike has dropped off let's see.
I'm gonna go through some of the comments. Let's see
what we got here. There are comments, there are comments
and questions. If we can Thanks for everybody for listening.
We had a couple like one hundred and seventy five
live listeners, so I appreciate everybody and all the comments. Everybody, Hi, Creamy, welcome.
Let's see. The best chat was on my main channel.
There should be twenty one thousand subscribers there, so if
you go there you can check it out, or that's
kind of the best way if you want to chat
with the other people in the chat. Sam the carnivore asked,
brain implant? Is that what happened to Tyler Robinson? I
don't know. It's a good question. That whole thing is weird.
I don't know what happened to it. We seem to
have lost doctor Carlstrom. Maybe I'll pop back in. I
don't know if I can add a son of Steven Paddock. Yeah,
there's just I mean, some of these people are really weird.
They're just strange backgrounds and things like that. Stanley Gabrielli
says Stanley Kribner. I don't know. That name doesn't come
to mind. I don't know. Art Recently, I think sixty
Minutes of Australia did a piece on Havana syndrome and the
new packback portable radio frequency weapons used by Russian agents
against Sure, it's always blamed Russia. They always blame Russia
on all these things, So I don't know what that is.
Is there a difference between the US and Israeli government?
Sam asked, Well, it doesn't seem like there's going to
be soon because if this new what two twenty three
thing passes, they're gonna have access to our weaponry, which
is basically the end of American sovereignty. Nothing unless it's treason,
There's no question about it. Bart says, people forget that
Charles Manson didn't kill but was given a lifecense for
ordering killers. That's correct. He did know hypnotism. And if
you want to, if you want to look into Manson
in greater detail, just go to YouTube and type in
Charles Manson, Danny trehou the actor Danny Treou tre Jo,
and we'll talk about being hypnotized in jail by Charles Manson.
Samantha Powers, Yeah, that's the wife of Sunstein. And I mean,
these are people heavily involved in Ukraine and world control
and friends with Kissinger and things like that. There's no
question about it. The cool Kissinger. I don't know who
that is ex marine in Bart. Yeah, maybe there's something
in the background of some of these guys. I don't know.
I really don't know. Kubrick mentioned the UT Sniper is
full metal Jack and Ya another coincidence. I don't know.
Gerald Hollis's doctor, Carlstrom is one of my favorite guests.
Thanks William. Carl Strm's there. I just don't think is
his mic got disconnected? All he has to do, Eric,
I don't know if you can hear me, but you
just have to go down to settings again like we
did in the pre show and make sure the correct
MIC from your computer is connected and the your headphones
are the proper connection. You just do that.
Speaker 4: I think maybe I've got it now.
Speaker 1: Now you're back. Now you're back, okay, very good, thank you. Yeah,
I'm just going through some of the chat people. Bart
mentioned Ted Kazinski another another guy who was under the
control of UH alleged MK doctor whose name is I
forgot it right now, but he was. He was tortured
for three years guys. Gerald's asking you, Eric, oh, pop
back off. I think William please ask doctor Carlstrom if
he's working on any new projects or anything going on
in San Louis Valley regarding water rights and data centers.
Did you hear that, Eric, you drop out? Yes, I
can answer that answer.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, you know I have five websites. One of them
is uh San Luis Valley waterwatch dot com, in which
I did address water issues in this area in the
San Luis Valley of southern Colorado, and it is one
of the largest aquifers in North America. And you know,
I've tread on many dangerous topics, this is one of them.
You know, when you have trillions of dollars worth of
potentially trillions of dollars worth of water a lot, you
know there's a lot of attention focused on it. I
really don't know why I'm targeted, but many potential reasons.
This is my activism in this area is one of them.
But to answer your question, what I'm know, I'm not
working on new projects. I'm trying to just kind of
continue what I've already started, and that's keeping in trying
to have a life, which as a TI is challenging
in itself, but I think the mind control thing is
so important because you know, our sovereignty as individuals, our
free will as individuals is you know, it's bottom line.
We can't you know, we will not be really human
beings if if these tech rows out of Silicon Valley
and the World Economic Forum, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Have their way.
Speaker 3: We have to we have to push back against the
data centers. We have to push back against these technologies
being concentrated in the hands of the very few. And yeah,
the merger of American and Israeli military and intelligence operations
with these new bills in Congress is total treason. We
have to push back against that. We have to maintain
our sovereignty as a nation, as and as individuals. I
guess those would be my projects to continue the work
that I've done in my five websites and to keep
talking and exposing these these these issues as much as
I can at my at my age just turns seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Oh congrats, Bart is asking you, does the guests think
Elon Musk's Neurolink and massive global installation of starlink antenna
arrays might be MK at Chase and do you have
any thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely. Of course.
Speaker 3: Elon Musk is another Jewish billionaire technocrat, grandson of the
father of technocracy in Canada, Joshua hold him and I
think his name was and he's our first trillionaire. But
he's very much of a construct. I think he's he's
given all these huge corporations and operations, Neurolink and SpaceX
and things like that, Starlink. If you're gonna have forty
thousand low Earth orbit satellites, which is what he's wanting
to put in space, it will truly not be possible
to find a square inch on the planet where one
can you know, have a private thought. You know, they're
really going for total control. I don't think Elon Musk
is a good guy. I think he's one of the
bad guys along with the other tech bros. And these
are our enemy, you know. I don't think it's the Russians.
I don't think it's the Chinese. I think it's these
guys who want total control of our resources and our
minds and our activities. These people need out of the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're more dangerous than anything to Chinese or the
Iranians have done to us. A lot of the bad
stuff we've done, we've done to ourselves, believe it or not.
Interesting bad hat Harriet says, My grandmother was put in
the sleep room, came out a shell, tried to drown
my cousin in the family pool. They destroyed lives. Can
you send me an email and tell me what her
name is? I'm curious I might have come across for
people who don't know. I read the most recent litigation
that came out in twenty twenty six about you and
Cameron into the Record, so you can see that on
my Patreon. William Ramsey Investigates Super interesting because it's a
two hundred page accumulation of all the information about Cameron
over the last thirty forty years, and it's really important.
It also details all the various litigation in quests, things
that happen that doctor Carl Stroum mentioned. There were payouts,
super grueling litigation that would dissuade the average person from
me even getting involved in litigation because they'll just slow
roll you for literally decades and then offer you like pennies.
So it's really horrible stuff. What happened, Gerald says to you,
doctor Carlstrom. I read doctor Browniey's book Bright Light on
Dark Shadows because of Carlstrom. So just giving you a
little shout out that Herriot says, what benefit did Canada
have get by allowing the CIA to do this to
unsuspecting citizens? Do you want to answer that, Eric.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, I think, you know, in a sense, the
US has been, you know, the center of the world empire,
but the center of the intelligence agreements has been the
five eyes of uku US, Canada and New Zealand and Australia,
and of course Israel has been a sixth eye, and
officially now looks like they're going to get full partnership
with the US. I think Canada has has, you know,
kind of been like a state of the United States,
subject to massive amounts of coercion. I you know, in
a sense at the highest levels, I don't think there's
much of a difference between the United States and Canada
in terms of the policies that the intelligence agencies would
be able to bully Canada into do this, into doing
and agreeing to do this sort of thing. The CIA,
of course, would have partnerships with intelligence agencies all over
the world, probably including Iran. To tell you the truth,
and Russia and China even today. So Canada I think
has you know, been compromised and co into. I lived
in Canada. I got my PhD at the University of Calgary,
and you know, my mom's from Canada, my cousins are
from Canada, so I have a connection to Canada.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What has happened in Canada with you and Cameron and
others is horrific. And I think they outsourced a lot
of the really bad stuff, you know, two other countries
like Canada to you know, to get away with things better,
you know, just cover things up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. One of the interesting things
about what happened to McGill is that you and Cameron
remained an American citizen until his death, So he was
an American citizen practicing in Canada, which is odd. Gabriella asks,
how can we go about this to get justice of
some kind? Can we can? What can we as individuals
do to start coming together for this? Can you answer that?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: I think that's very, very, very important. I think justice
is critical. I think exposure is critical before justice. I
think maybe you know, writing the Congress, one of the
congressmen who was at the hearing you know, it was
conducted by the Republicans, you know, Bobert and people like that.
One of them has had a dry sense of humor
and he's saying, well, you know, most of Congress is
compromised by these very people.
Speaker 4: So there's only so much we can do. So I
mean that's realistic.
Speaker 3: I mean the CIA and certainly Israel control through their
Israeli lobbies, control most of Congress, most of the people
in Congress. So I think, really we have to look
at this from the point of view of individuals.
Speaker 4: We own this country.
Speaker 3: The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence say so, this
is a struggle for control and power of the nation.
And I think that our government has been at war
with the American people, certainly since World War Two, for
control of our empire, because our founding documents guarantee that
their job is to guarantee our God gives than the
liberties are civil liberties, and they don't want to play
that way. They want to work for the ruling elite.
They want to work for the corporations and the banks,
and they want to be part of that elite that
controls us. So it really is, in a sense, it's
a class war. Between we the people, and we need
to get organized and smart about this, educated against these
you know, the Epstein class, which has now shown itself
to be you know, the most degenerate, you know, baby eaters,
baby traffickers, baby killers, baby rapers that you can possibly imagine.
It's a spiritual war. We are against a class of
I would say, human demons.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so Epstein was a demon. He was totally evil.
And I think that just to add on to what
you said, I think that the greatest threat to the
American citizenry now is the Epstein network. I would say
that's way more dangerous than anything happen to do with
the ran China, Russia and anything like that. It's really the
Epstein classes against us too, and people need to realize
that they're telling you something different, that it's a Russia
or Iran. They're lying. They're totally evil people, and they
they've integrated themselves and if it's scarier than the actual
kinetic warfare because they've integrated themselves secretly throughout our society.
So exposure is very important. But yeah, and I agree
with you, knowledge is really the first step understanding this.
Gerald says, they don't even need Voice to School. They
just nudge your social media feed. That's right, Cambridge Analytical
mel More. This is to you, Eric. Do you think
technology like voice to School is going to be rolled
out to the greater population to cause some sort of
false awakening situations? Do you have any thoughts?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. Well, you know Russ Dizdar,
who is a Christian minister, wrote a book called The
Black Awakening, and another Christian worker in this area is
Fritz Springmer, who estimated there's between two and ten million sleepers,
people who are mentally programmed, who are going about their business,
but whose minds have already been you might say, accessed
and programmed, you know, by Project Monarch and these military
applications of MK Ultra so that they can be triggered
through codes, cues and triggers, quite a scientific process by
their handlers to perform certain roles. So it could be
that there's a bunch of us, and who knows who's
I mean, Luna could be one of them who are
already programmed in this manner. Now, this is truly frightening,
but something that Rust is dark courageously worked on his
entire life. He's dead now this is dangerous work.
Speaker 1: I think he was targeted by polluteer and selected for
annihilation in the hospital he was given the breather or whatever.
I am.
Speaker 3: That's that's a good insight. Yeah, makes sense as well.
Who was another Christian guy? He said, never never put
me on these protocols. So I think that that was
part of the deep pop murder population and targeting individuals
in a much different way than maybe mind control, but
getting rid of them because he was a threat.
Speaker 1: What was the last name you mentioned there were Rob
Skiva s k ib Pa. Okay, Yeah, he was in
the same kind of realm as maybe Russ Desdra. I've
talked to well, I've talked to Disdar. I did an
interview with Disdar about Black Awakening, so people can check
my archives. But he and his wife were both basically
went into hospital and didn't come out alive. So rest
in peace.
Speaker 3: Russ. Absolutely, he was a very very, very courageous man
and did a lot of good work. His his book
is worth reading. And you know, we really are in
this could be the end times in the sense that
it's being it's being orchestrated by this you know, Epstein
class of lunatic psych path, pedophile, predators, cannibals.
Speaker 1: I think there. I think Epstein was a cannibal. I
don't know about other people.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, Epstein.
Speaker 1: Literally was eating people.
Speaker 3: These these are not people like you and I experience people.
And they don't have compassion. They are psychopaths, and they
do have an agenda, and that is take over the
world and attain immortality from themselves, to genocide the goyam,
which is the non Jews or cattle, and and and
or make us into bio robot slaves or cybernetic slaves.
So all of this fits into the overarching goal of
this this class of lunatic megalomaniacs to attain immortality, digital
immortality on this planet, reconfigure the planet, they call it
takun olam, reinventing the earth. And then uh, you know,
like the Talmud says that every when Armasiah comes, every
Jew will have twenty eight hundred gentile slaves.
Speaker 1: People don't know that, like they talk about Islam as
having like people in heaven like sex or slaves or something,
But that's the way they think. In Judaism, they want
to enslave people. Absolutely, that's why that's the thing that Epstein.
That's how he treated his trafficking victims as literal slaves.
And what a lot of people don't know is that
that temple Island was based on like a Mameluk bath,
where that's where they bathe the slaves that the people
would own. So when you see that weird temple on
the Little Saint James, he deliberately referenced the slave temple
going from the Middle East where the Mameluks would take
their of the Muslims would take their slaves, sex slaves,
just their slaves in general and keep them for the sultan,
Sultan or the leader of the Muslims at that time,
whoever it was. So that's what he was doing. It's
a it's a proven fact. I can prove it. So
this is where we're at, Like we're going back into
this barberous and like old world savagery and stuff like that.
That's what Rapstein was up to in the Epstein Network.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Controversy of Zion is an excellent book by British
reporter by the name of Douglas Reid, and he said
Judaism is the worship of Moloch, meaning Satan, and he
says it's Actually it's a political program disguised as religion,
so it's not. The goal is to take over the
world's resources and the world and enslave the non Jews.
So you think of the Jews then as a kind
of a group of Chameilians who are playing roles in
all different countries to bring about this the world order,
this jew world order. Really, and yeah, we have to
stand up for ourselves. I mean, so many of us
just want to live our lives and be happy and
be you know, and the ones with compassion, you know,
we might have compassion for some of these people, but
these people want our death, so they don't care.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. But what people don't realize is
Israel is trying to put Iran in the US against
each other and come out on top. That's their goal.
That's what they That's what the American people are too
stupid to figure that out. They're being played. They're being
totally manipulated into this Iran war. Anybody who thinks we
should be in warren Iran is I don't have anything
nice to say about you, so I won't say it.
I already asked you this question. Let's see bad hat
Harry ask do they track and follow offspring of the
nineteen sixties m k Oltra victims thinking of gate to
Tag school programming? Can you answer that? Air? Do you
have any thoughts?
Speaker 3: A good question, the very interesting woman, especially with their
family connections here. Yes, Well, you know the anti terrorism
intelligence tactics which say the CIA and other intelligence agencies
would use against quote unquote terrorists, which is, you know,
to track all the associations and family members of the target,
and the foreign target is now being applied at home.
So you know, me being a TI a target individual.
Although I never got a letter saying you're a TI,
I've been aware of it since twenty thirteen having studied
this stuff. Yeah, they would target my associations, my family
members in different ways to isolate the individual to you know,
disrupt and destroy all aspects of their life. It's a
little bit like the Learned Helplessness thing where Martin Seligmann
was zapping the rat as it goes to the right,
and then it goes back to the center, and then
zap it again. When it goes to the left, the
TI goes out, and every time it has an interaction
with the world, the intelligence agencies figures out how to
disrupt or defeat that activity. And you know, the Department
of Homeland Security would give out the names of the
quote unquote potential terrorist threats or whatever persons of interest
to thousands of businesses around the world. And so the
FBI and the DHS and all of their private sector
surrogates like the Infraguard and Citizen Corps are out there
targeting and you know, talking to the neighbors of these
targeted individuals, discrediting them, smearing their name so as to
disrupt and destroy their lives. So the technologies that would
have been used theoretically to take down foreign enemies are
now applied to domestic enemies the targeted individuals.
Speaker 1: Sam asked Travis Walton, it seems obvious to me that
the guy truly believes what happened to him. Do you
suspect his abduction was a government operation? I don't even
know who Travis Walton is. Do you know that is Eric? No?
I don't, Okay, I don't either. Can you follow up on, Sam,
who's Travis Walton? I don't know how to so that. Honestly,
Let's see, I'm just kind of going through there's a
lot of every time you decoyed Kubrick, you can go
back to decoe troeper. That's true. Here's another question, Dan Bongino,
what did they do to him? In my opinion, he
saw something that scared him to death. Do you know
anything about that? His story like he said he was
going to divulge everything and then he didn't.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, you know, I don't know any more than
the guy who's asking the question, Sam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either. Long Hoole asks, have either of
you heard of the brain neuron chip computers that Cortical
Labs is creating, supposedly to combat the water usage that
data centers require. I have not. Have you heard anything? Eric?
Speaker 3: Yeah, perhaps to combat the objections to the water usage
that data centers require.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I think that there's a number of competing.
Speaker 4: Neuro chips.
Speaker 3: Elon Musk has has one, other companies, other major businesses
have others that are competing. Cortical Labs apparently is also one. Yeah. Yeah,
don't take it. Don't ever take it, you know, because
you know they've even been experimenting with these kinds of
implants and chips. Again, going back to nineteen fifty nine
with the Subproject one nineteen, and there are many people
who have experienced this, you know, surreptitious implantation, you know,
as they go to hospital for something else. I mean,
this is all very well documented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's I think there's a rumor that Timothy McVeigh
had something or he said something that he had some
type of implant in his face or I forgot what
it was, maybe his brain. My emails. William Ramsay investigates
at ProtonMail dot com. So if anybody wants to contact me,
emails the best way. Don't post things on like a
YouTube thread or even social media. I don't have time
to look through all that stuff. Send me a direct email.
That's the best way to contact me, and I'll write
it out. If you have a story, don't tell me
to call you. I won't call you. I mean, it's
like rando. People want me to call them. No, it's
not going to happen. Scott Greening, how does somebody who's
targeted get off the list? You have any ideas about that?
Speaker 4: Are well? Good question.
Speaker 3: I know of a few Tis who got off the list,
but I think those are rather exceptional circumstances. Katherine Austin
Fitz was targeted for twelve years. I don't know how
she got off the list. But and then I've I've
heard of a couple others. Bill Bobby Towers wrote a
book called Circle of Snakes. He basically tricked to the
police and FBI back in Connecticut using government forms and
got a bunch of police who were targeting him fired,
and the FBI fired him because of course they were
going to look bad. So the FBI would be at
the top of the Department of Justice law enforcement food chain,
the cops would be at the lower level. That would
all be involved in the TI program. But of course
it's secret. And this guy, Bobby Towers, I recommend his book.
It's very insightful, it's very short. Circle of Snakes. Then
I heard of a woman over in Italy who got
off the list. She was young woman getting married to somebody,
and the guy that she was marrying, I think, had
friends who were Masons, and he was able to kind
of convince his friends in the masonry category to tick
her off the list. Masons, I think are heavily involved
in this at all levels. This is kind of torture
for for hire, and it's also you know, kind of
like closed pay per view viewing. They're able to kind
of watch the torture and set ups in action with
you know, closed pay per view camera. I think they're
having a good time. They're getting their jolly's, they're working
for Satan, they're doing this attemp.
Speaker 1: I like to film all this stuff. All these guys
have these films. Whether it's the Charlie Kirk exam assassination.
These guys have like video cameras on their eyeglasses or
Ruth who was like was filming trying to shoot Trump
or being a patsy. There's all Some of these guys
have filming stuff. It's all there. Yeah, Jack says, I
was still listened to old school car Strum interviews on
pine Cone Utopia. I've never even heard of that side.
Longtime listener.
Speaker 3: Well thank you, yeah, thank you. Pine pine Cone Utopia
were some of the first interviews I did on this
back on the TI program. That is back in twenty fourteen,
and Paul Marco was the host. Wonderful guy. He was
living in Ecuador with his wife. He was a former
psychiatrist psychologist with major corporations in America, and he decided
to use his expertise to help expose this. He made
a fantastic video on torture, which is really hard to watch.
But then he died I think too young, probably of
a heart attack. So again, this is a very very
dangerous endeavor because the people were up against have all
the weapons and all the money.
Speaker 1: In the world and the will to use them. They
have the will to implement them. That's what it's scary.
It's not just that they know it. They're like Kryptner
is the famed psychologists that produced a lot of research
used by from subprojects. His name is unfamiliar to me.
Look at Reagan shooters family connections. I had him on
the show. I literally had that guy on the show,
and he had no idea that his psychologist was sued
by his parents. What's the guy's name we took a
shot tried to kill Reagan.
Speaker 3: Was it Chapman, Yeah, No, Chapman. It was not chap
that's Hinckley.
Speaker 1: Hinkley. Yeah. I had John Hinckley on my show. He
wrote a biography and I asked him questions about certain things.
He had no clue. He had some kind of this
is my opinion, he had kind of blanks in his
memory and there's a huge litigation between Hinckley's parents and
the Hinckley's quote psychologists unquote, because his psychologist was very
strange and he kept saying, Oh, I just he needs
more treatment. He was under the care of a psychologist
when he went to DC to shoot Reagan with a
copy of Catching the Rye by the Way, which.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just add to that, just real quickly. Hinckley's parents,
who were good friends of the Bush family. Of course,
George H. W. Bush was the vice president at the time,
who would benefit from Reagan's death. And apparently the Hinckley
family was meeting with one of the Bush brothers on
night of the attempted assassination of Reagan. So this was
somebody who was involved in the Silverado savings and loan scandal. Yeah,
it's a family, it's a club, and you ain't in it,
you know, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, the coincidences are just off the chart. So
really the shooting took place right like I think a
couple months into the Reagan presidency. The chief beneficiary would
have been George Bush Senior. We have made it one hour,
thirty seven minutes. We had a couple hundred live listeners.
We're streaming to six channels. You have six websites, where's
the best place? What anything you'd like to add? Anything
I missed before we wrap it up.
Speaker 3: No, thank you very much, William. You really totally up
to speed on this stuff, and so are your listeners.
I'm very happy and impressed with their comments and questions. Yeah,
it's up to us to stand up for ourselves, whether
we're you know, targeted individuals, or whether we're just people
who want to try to survive as individuals and in
this country and have our country survive. These are essential
issues to be informed about. William's doing a great job
right on top of the list as far as I'm concerned.
And you know, I, like I say, I was a
physical geography professor. I was all interested in natural climate change.
I saw the CIA come in with all this man
caused global warming bullshit hoax, and I saw how individuals
like myself were eased out of positions, and you might say,
patsy scientists, those who would tow the line on man
caused global warming and nonsense, we're preferentially hired and given
preferential treatment professionally. I saw the corruption of my science,
which is climate science, paleoclimate natural climate change by the
CIA and their allies, and so I've kind of turned
my attention back to these bigger issues.
Speaker 4: If I have.
Speaker 3: Long enough life, I'll get back to the climate studies
that I've actually done. I mean, this is my field,
but that's of secondary importance. What is of primary importance
is for the American people to maintain their mental sovereignty
and the sovereignty of their country.
Speaker 4: And I think this is.
Speaker 1: How to do it. I agree, and again, thanks so
much for your time, guys. I've done seven other episodes
with doctor Carlstrom. Check them all out. I enumerated and
listed those at the beginning. If you missed the intro,
you can check those out and type in. I mean,
some of these are really important in my opinion, which
is like the reevaluation of our history in light of
these mk ops, like the history is fake. It's not,
it's it's been You're in some kind of Truman show.
But check out his websites. I think the ones I'll
put links to is nine to eleven nWo with this
law document that he mentioned, and then also gang stocking
and mind controlling colts and where's the best place to
reach you? Eric? If somebody wants to follow up or
reach out to you.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you've given my email, haven't you, which
is just my name, Eric Carlstrom at fairpoint dot net.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that'll be the best place is just email.
Likewise for me, guy, send me an email, don't Social
media is not the best place to contact me. But Eric,
thanks so much for your time, Thanks for your research,
and thanks for all your knowledge and insight. Really appreciate it.
And it really expands upon this hearing, that mg Alter hearing,
because I think maybe it gets it. It's at least
in the alternate media. A lot of people have keyed
into it, some of the people in the podcast community,
you know, the people are talking about this subject again,
which is really important considering all these strains, assassination attempts
and strange people around Trump and all this stuff going on.
So anyway, great show, Thanks for coming back on. Really
appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thanks William, take care now you as well.
Speaker 1: Take you