An Amazing Journey into the Psychotic Mind: Breaking the Spell...with Jerry Marzinsky

An Amazing Journey Into the Psychotic Mind - Breaking the Spell of the Ivory Tower with Author Jerry Marzinsky. 

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to

William Ramsey investigates on today's show of a very special guest.

His name is Jerry Marzinski. His last name is spelled

m A r z i n Sky. And my friend

Sean McCann over Awake the Dead, speaks highly of him.

He's spoke to him many times. He says, you should

have him on your show. And I had some time,

so Sean sent me his email. I reached out to him.

He said, okay, and in the interim once I set

up the time, which is today July ninth, twenty twenty six,

to talk. I've read through his book and listened to

some of his podcast and it's very popular on x

There's little snippets of him in different languages, a lot

of Spanish, actually Spanish translations.

Speaker 2: That surprising me.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's pretty cool. So I've acquainted myself with

some of his work. He's done a lot of work.

But today we're I think the good starting point is

this book he published back I think in twenty twenty.

If you're watching this on one of my websites, it

is the title of the book. The full title is

an amazing Journey into the Psychotic Mind, Breaking the Spell

of the Ivory Tower, and he wrote it with Sherry Sweeney.

Her last name is spelled SWI n Ey. And it's

a great book. I highly recommend it, and it kind

of has a different take than the kind of allopathic

medicine that we know of, maybe the what's called the

Rockefeller medicine, maybe than the average person might take. But

there's a lot of information I wasn't familiar with, but

a lot of data in there. And there's definitely a

lot to talk about on his take on certain aspects

of mental health and mental illness. And I can't say

I disagree with him, but he can talk more about that. So,

Jerry Marzinski, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 1: Excellent. So for people who haven't, if they've listened to

Sean's Wake the Dead podcast, they've heard you on there

at least three times. I think maybe you can just

talk about your background, your education, and then what what

work you did in kind of the real world, in

kind of your mental health field, and then what led

up to the publication of this particular book, An amazing

Journey into the Psychotic Mind, okay.

Speaker 3: My background was in psychology and counseling formerly, so I

got a BA in psychology, a master's degree in counseling,

and then I spent two years in a PhD program.

After I spent seven years at one of the biggest

psychiatric hospitals on the planet. And you know what, what

they were teaching compared to what I had seen on

the front lines didn't mesh at all. I mean, nothing

in my education prepared me for working at that giant

psychiatric hospital.

Speaker 1: What was the name of the hospital.

Speaker 3: It was Central State Hospital in Millancheville, Georgia. They've since

long closed it down, but at the time I got there,

there were ten thousand patients there. They had every form

of mental illness known to man, which I was fascinated with.

So I was like a kid in a candy shop,

you know. But you know, in formal education, they had

the DSM, which is their Directory of Mental Illnesses and

abnormal Psychology, and they described these different psychiatric illnesses in detail,

but they didn't have any cure for them. There wasn't

anything about what you should do for them. There wasn't

anything about what caused them and all all they would

tell us is uh oh, they're due to a chemical

imbalance of the brain. Before that, it was blaming mothers.

Now I'm talking about schizophrenia, paranoid schizophrenia now, which is

the most common form of schizophrenia. And I'm trying to

I got so much stuff in my head and I

only got a little over an hour to bring it

all out.

Speaker 1: So, Bud, anything, can you do me a favor? Jerry,

can you do me a favor and just kind of

move the mic a little bit farther away from your

it's popping just a little bit al.

Speaker 2: Better? Yeah, okay, if it's not, let me know. Okay.

Speaker 3: So, you know, they started out telling everybody that schizophrenia

was they blamed it on mothers. The mothers did something

to their kids which caused schizophrenia. That's decades ago.

Speaker 2: You know.

Speaker 3: Secondly they did they blamed genetics. You know, they go,

oh yea, yeah, there's some genetic thing wrong with these people.

But they never were able to find a schizophrenic gene.

So then they went from there to going, well, it's

not just a gene. It's a bunch of genes and

they're all mixed together and we don't know what they are.

But we'll find them eventually, because it's got to be

something physical, you know, and they never have. So they

went from there to the chemical imbalance of the brain.

So that happened with Eli Lily back in the sixties.

I believe it was when they came out with prozac.

They needed some explanation for why they're toxic chemicals, these

psychoactive drugs worked. So Eli Lily just made one up.

They said, oh, are antidepressant works because there's a chemical

imbalance of the brain. It's got to do with serotonin reuptake.

So what their prozac did was supposed to block serotonin reuptake,

so the nerve that didn't destroy the chemical and it

just kept firing more often.

Speaker 1: Right, So that's the whole thing. They're called SSRIs serotonin

selective re uptaking.

Speaker 3: Take inhibitors, Okay, So they would block the reuptake, so

there was more chemicals there to set off the nerves,

which they thought was innately not there to start with.

But those things didn't work that well anyway. Matter of fact,

there's fifty thousand people in the United States killed themselves

every year, year after year after year. The great majority

of them are on any psychotic and any depressive drugs.

So that gives you the report card on the psychiatric

mafia as it exists in the Western universe. So here

they are pushing their drugs and there making trillions of

dollars a year on selling these drugs that cure nothing.

They cure absolutely nothing. Nobody's being cured by any of

these drugs. All they do is address symptoms, so they

reduce symptoms basically, Okay.

Speaker 1: They also make you buy the drug for the rest

of your life, right, Well, that's what depressed.

Speaker 3: That's that's what they tell you. They say with both

of them, they say, especially with any psychotic drugs, which

are horrible. The side effects are horrible. They're they're just horrible,

and that's why a lot of people go off them.

They just can't stand the side effects because they are toxic.

Speaker 2: You know.

Speaker 3: They with long term use, they do destroy your central

nervous system and it's permanent neurological damage. They call it echinasia.

And what I saw when they when they true when

they saw that starting to appear when I was at

the State hospital.

Speaker 2: They started.

Speaker 3: What it was was a low key trembling, you know,

there was a due to the toxicity.

Speaker 2: Of the drugs.

Speaker 3: Instead of backing off the drugs, what they did is

they added cogentin to treat the trembling, so the damage

could continue. I mean it would continue while these symptoms

were tamped down.

Speaker 1: Right, Wow, So the solution is more drugs, right, drug

which is why people are on multiple prescriptions now for

their whole life. I know people like that.

Speaker 3: And then they tell you, they tell schizophrenics, hey, listen,

this is there's no cure for this. Half the time

they'd say that, and You've got to take these drugs

for the rest of your life. It's totally untrue.

Speaker 2: You know.

Speaker 3: There's there's a number of people that I've worked with

who have recovered and also other other patients. And now

I'm working with something called the Mace Energy method, which

is a cutting edge energetic psychotherapy. And what we've what

we found earlier was that these voices that the schizophrenics

here are not hallucinations. They run fixed, repeatable patterns. And

I've got twenty three of them on my website. Okay,

under articles it starts with negativity. So that's one of

the first things I saw in working with schizophrenics at

the State Hospital. Those voices were consistently negative. They never

said anything positive. It was always consistently negative. And if

they were hallucinations, as the psychiatric mafia insists, then they

should run the gamut. Some should be positive, some should

be neutral, some should be negative. They should be all

over the place hallucinations. The content of hallucinations is not predictable.

You know, they're random.

Speaker 1: No, they should also not make sense. Some shouldn't be

even be sensible or understandable.

Speaker 3: Right, well, that should be, And that's what I believe

they were before I got.

Speaker 2: Onto the front lines.

Speaker 3: So what they would tell us in graduate school is

the voices are auditory hallucinations. So what's the first thing

that comes to your mind? An auditory hallucination word?

Speaker 2: Cabbage?

Speaker 3: You know, they don't make any sense, just like you said, Oh,

they're just they'd be all over the place. It'll just

be a bunch of mumbo jumble. That's not what I saw.

These patients who were schizophrenic, paranoid, schizophrenic were arguing with

the voices. They were talking to the voices. They were

having long conversations with the voices. It was like listening

to one side of a telephone conversation. You know, you

could hear what the person is saying, but you couldn't

you couldn't hear what was coming in. Okay, So that's

the first thing that kind of blew me away as

I saw these people talking to the voices, having conversations

with them. And one thing it was odd was I mean,

there were ten thousand patients at that giant hospital and

thousands of staff, and not a single one of them

was the least bit interested in what these voices were

telling the patients interesting, not at all. Nobody They all

bought what the you know, Ivory Tower told them that

these voices are hallucinations. Don't go any further, don't look

any further. That's what they are.

Speaker 1: Because we said nothing we can do. We just have

to treat them with drugs and that's it, and put

them in an institution.

Speaker 3: Right, that's right, exactly right. There's nothing you can do that.

You gotta give them drugs. There's nothing you can do

about the voices. They didn't do any research on those

voices at all. They didn't look into them at all.

They still haven't. They still consider them hallucinations and they

have no research to back that up whatsoever. None It

was like the psychiatric moth. The high priest got up

there and go we hereby declare that the voices are hallucinations,

because we said so with no backing whatsoever, none, zero.

Speaker 1: Right, So it's it's medication, is the solution, institutionalization, and

it's been that way, and schizophrenic it's Latin or something

for split brain.

Speaker 3: Right, So, yes, like slip mind and that you know,

that's the that's probably the only accurate thing they have,

is it's split mind, because the voices are not the

person's mind.

Speaker 1: So you're convinced it's coming from some source outside I.

Speaker 2: Have, I have no doubt whatsoever.

Speaker 1: But you came to that conclusion through the meeting of

this guy Wilson van Duson too, Like you started to

see other people's had kind of non conventional insights or

conclusions about this phenomenon.

Speaker 3: Right, Well, Wilson was the only one that matched my experiences.

So I had read his book back when I was

in graduate school, so there was something in the back

of my mind, you know, with regard to what he said.

Then I found that these things ran patterns. Okay, so

I'll just read a few of them. They're consistently negative.

You know what holds them on that tract? Why are

they just negative? What holds them there? How come they're

not random? And that was one of my first questions.

They're anti religious. They don't like preachers, they don't like

the Bible, they don't like prayers, they don't like the

person doing anything that's religious or spiritual, and they react

to it. One patient came to my office one day

and said, the voices came last night and I kept

reading the three twenty third Psalm, and they reacted like

worms thrown on a hot frying pan. And this was

consistent among virtually all schizophrenics. The voices don't want them

going to church, they don't want them reading the Bible,

they don't want them talking to pre they don't want

them doing anything spiritual, positive, positively spiritual.

Speaker 1: That's interesting.

Speaker 3: They foster and create negative emotion. So what they tell

these people, okay, and this took years of interviewing these guys,

is everything they told them was negative. They consistently are abusive, negative, insulting, derogatory,

and they consistently work to turn the patient's mental state

into negative emotion. They don't want them being happy, they

don't want them watching American's Funniest videos. They don't want

them work doing comedy, they don't want them doing anything.

Speaker 2: That they enjoy.

Speaker 3: They will step in there and they will destroy anything

that's fun to the person or used to be. They

don't want them to be happy. So they're fostering the

creation of negative emotional energy. And then they drained that.

So what I saw was a lot of these schizophrenics

were completely drained of energy.

Speaker 2: They didn't have any.

Speaker 3: And I'm going like, well, you know, they kept reporting that,

and I'm like, okay, well.

Speaker 2: Where did the energy go?

Speaker 1: You know?

Speaker 3: One guy came in my office one day and said,

I was laying in bed all night. The voices kept

me up and and I had less energy than if

I were working on a digging ditches in the hots

on all night all day, you know. And that was

consistent with all of them. But they didn't know where

it went. But there was a one to one correlation

between the voices showing up and their energy leaving. But

they but they were blocked from seeing that. So I'd

start interviewing these guys, and there's no shortage of schizophrenics

at the state. At this State hospital, there were hundreds

of them. They were all over the place. I had

as many as I wanted to interview, and I would

ask them, I said, okay, did you notice that when

after the voices come, you don't have any energy left?

And once they thought about it, they realized that was true. Okay,

but they didn't realize it before I told.

Speaker 2: It to them.

Speaker 3: And then once they realized it, I'd go, Okay, the

voices show up and your energy level drops. And the

voices have been coming for decades for you, and every

time they came, your energy level would drop.

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 3: They go yeah, And I go, okay, where do you

think your energy went? And they would go I don't know. No,

they weren't aware they were being blocked. So I would

tell them, I said, okay, imagine you're sitting around a

campfire and you put your hand in that fire a

thousand times and each time you got burned.

Speaker 2: What's burning you? They had no trouble with, oh, the fire.

Speaker 3: And then I'd go back and I go, okay, you

know the voices had come a thousand times. Every time

they came, your energy level dropped. Where's your energy going?

Speaker 2: I don't know.

Speaker 1: And oftentimes these people weren't born with these voices in

their head too, there, they weren't on right, Yes, so

it's it's it's twenty five, right, so there's a certain

time it happens. Yeah.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Now another thing that's consistent is that.

Speaker 2: Where did I Where did I go? With that?

Speaker 1: They have the voices. They it's defined as paranoid schizophrenia, right,

So they're paranoid. Paroid is always negative, and they're paranoid

and they're oppressed. They're oppressed by this whatever's happening in

their head.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 3: And you know, I did a I did a little

research thing with the patients. I had the schizophrenic patients,

and I would ask him what happens when they went

to church? And it turned out that if the voices

were weak when they went to church, the voices shut up.

If the voices were moderate strength when they went to church,

the voices would increase in strength and they would start

talking and mocking the preacher, saying he's stupid, he's crazy.

One of the favorite things they said, if if if

they were praying, the voices would say, what makes you

think Jesus is going to save you? Couldn't even save himself.

They told that there's several.

Speaker 1: Different classic anti Christian mockery stuff you.

Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's almost like they were all made from

the same factory, you know, because these all these all

of these patterns are exactly the same.

Speaker 2: You know.

Speaker 3: It's like there's some big factory in the sky that

made these things and they all run the same program.

Speaker 1: It is interesting. So you have the similarity. You have

people with the same diagnosis experiencing the same thing, and

it's been called by the by the kind of powers

that be, the Ivory Tower, so to speak, that this

is incurable and they're afflicted because of a of a

imbalance of the chemicals. But you think, and other people

think that something outside this is very consistent with kind

of like New Testament belief that people are perplexed by

other spirits, like this is a look, it's right there

in the Bible.

Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty three times Jesus has cast these things out

of people and more with his disciples. And yet this

is supposed to be a Christian society and they won't

even consider this.

Speaker 1: Yeah, scientists, it's a scientific worldview.

Speaker 3: Now, yeah, you look at what these people are doing. Okay,

So they say it's a chemical imbalance, in the brain. Okay,

if you ever go to a psychiatrist, and those of

you who have okay, especially if you had schizophrenia, watch

what happens when you go there. He will ask you

questions for about twenty minutes, and then he'll give you

a diagnosis. If it's a chemical imbalance of the brain,

why doesn't he give you a blood test or any

kind of objective test, some kind of lab test to

determine what chemicals are out of balance in the.

Speaker 2: Brain and how much? Right, it doesn't exist.

Speaker 1: Right, they can do a blood test on your you know,

carbohydrates or whatever, you're something LDL levels, but they can't.

Why can't they prove it for your brain.

Speaker 3: Because they don't have anything to prove it. They don't

even know what the chemical and bat balance of the

brain should be, let alone what the imbalance is.

Speaker 2: It's made up. It's totally made up.

Speaker 1: These are standard diagnoses for a lot of ailments. It's

not just schizophrenia or paranoid schizophrenia.

Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, you look at the same way with

the depression. They don't have any objective test to determine.

As a matter of fact, the almost three hundred psychiatric

diagnosies in the DSM, which is their directory of mental illnesses.

There's not a single objective test for even one of them. None, zero.

It's all made up. They, the psychiatrists and the big

pharma get together in these groups once every three years

and they make up these diagnoses and then they put

them in this book and they look all scientific. They

got all these numbers, you know, paranoid schizophrenia three three

point one zero, and all these subcategories and sub subcategories.

It looks like a real work of science. It's garbage.

It's groups of behaviors that they have given names to.

There is not an objective test for any of them.

There is no lab tests to prove their brain chemical

imbalance theory. It's made up. These people are duplistic as

the day is long.

Speaker 1: Right, and it's this is the basis of a you

call it a trillion dollar industry. It really is like

if you look at all of these big pharma things,

it's just hundreds of billions of dollars is dependent upon

really fraudulent science. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 3: I would totally agree with that. You know, they're a

bunch of shysters. Now, not to say not to say

now that you know, being on the front lines for

as long as I have working in emergency rooms in

state prison and you know, in the psychology department, and

I've seen psychiatric patients that there was no other way

to control them. They were so dangerous that they had

to be full of these drugs. There was no other

way to control them.

Speaker 1: So there is So what you're saying is these schizophrenica

phrenics are having what you believe or inputs from some

other place outside of their mind, but also have physical

effects in the real world. They're dangerous, they strike out,

they can hurt themselves or others, right.

Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you know that's a biggie, and a lot

of them are suicidal. And the bottom line with them

too is that there's a lot of trauma. They have

a lot of trauma going on in their background. And

what's what's interesting is the this cutting edge new psychotherapy

that we've been working with h that just came out

a few years ago. Uh it's it's called the Mace

Energy method. Works better than any other psychotherapy I've ever

seen in my life. It's quick, it's accurate, it gets

rid of trauma, and working with schizophrenics there's two of

us now trying it out with schizophrenics, and it doesn't

work that great. We probably got maybe a fifteen percent

cure rate, which is much higher than what psychiatry has got,

but it's still pretty low. But what was interesting is

two of us working with different schizophrenics, the voices started

complaining after we started removing and negating the trauma that

they didn't have enough energy. That happened twice. So when

you take away that trauma, that negative emotional energy that

it generates starts disappearing interesting and I found that fascinating.

Speaker 1: So you think that there's a basis in schizophrenia or

paranoid schizophrenia based upon somebody's very traumatic experiences.

Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's the I think trauma is the base

for virtually all mental illnesses. And that's what's so good

about the MACE energy method. It works with getting rid

of and neutralizing or discreating trauma. So it's like if

you got a brand new car battery, you charged it

up full, okay, and then you drained all the electricity

out of it. That thing's a boat anchor. You can't

charge it up anymore. It's dead and it stays dead.

Speaker 2: Forever.

Speaker 3: So the trauma that is built into the psyche of

the individual, once it's drained, once it's energetically drained, it

doesn't exist there anymore.

Speaker 2: Gotcha?

Speaker 1: And can you expand on the mass energy method and

how it's supplied.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell you about it. It's based on energy.

So John Mace, the guy who developed the system, he

wasn't a psychiatrist or psychologist or anything like that. He

was a ship captain. He drove these big freighters back

and forth across the ocean, and he always wanted to

know how the mind worked, the human mind worked, So

he read extensively while he was on these ocean voyages,

and slowly, over his lifetime he pieced together this therapeutic method,

and he found that the mind isn't what we're told

it is, he said, the mind. All the mind does

is take pictures of where you put your attention.

Speaker 1: Interesting.

Speaker 3: So that's like these people who see trailers when they're

taking schizophrenia, are taking what do you call it, the

psilocybin or LSD. They will run their hand across their

face and they will see.

Speaker 2: Boom boom boom, boom boom boom, Like the.

Speaker 3: Mind is taking pictures of each movement, breaking it down

into individual pictures like a movie camera.

Speaker 1: That's what happens when we read. Oftentimes people visualize the

words in a picture. Yeah, it's very subtle, it's not overt.

And that's how sure with the narrative in their brain

as a I mean not necessarily a cartoon, but as

a two dimensional drawing for their brain to understand you.

Speaker 3: And that's what Mace works with. He works with the images, okay.

He says, it's not the mind that does the thinking,

the rational and rationalizing, the analyzing, the speaking, the hearing,

the seeing, all that kind of stuff. He says, the

spirit does that, okay, and that makes sense. I've been

out of my body once and I could still hear,

I could still think. And you talk to people who

have been out of their body, or these out of

astral travelers, they're meeting other spirits there. They're thinking, they're talking,

they're speaking, you know, the emotions aren't there, okay.

Speaker 1: But they can hear other things, like people who are

on the operating table. There's like classic stories operating table

looking down at themselves, watching themselves, watching the doctor hearing things.

Speaker 2: Or the doctor makes some snide, right.

Speaker 1: There are thousands and thousands of those stories. They're all

almost the same, you.

Speaker 3: Know, and people are thinking and speaking and seeing, you know.

So it's a spirit that does all that. When when

the spirit leaves the body, the body is a lump

of clay. It's it's it's this is a meat suit.

It's a spacesuit to function on this planet.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: So May says that, Okay, the mind is a mechanism

that creates images of what what you're thinking? Okay, So

if I say the word apple, what do you what.

Speaker 2: Do you see?

Speaker 1: I see a reduple in my mind.

Speaker 3: So what May's found was that not only words can

be turned into images, okay, but thoughts and feelings and

uh intuitions and concepts can also be turned into images.

So you look at the energy flow you have a thought.

It's pure energy.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: You can't see it, you can't feel it, you can't

touch it. Nobody's ever found one in anybody's mind. It's

non what do you call it, It's it's ephemeral.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: Once you bring it one step further into an image,

now you've got photons, you've got something more tangible that

you can work with it's one step removed from being

totally ephemeral, and you can you can make images out

of feelings, you can make images out of thoughts, you

can make images out of concepts. And what Mays found

was that once you you can turn a thought into

an image, now you can do something with it. Yeah,

and it's that that picture is energy.

Speaker 1: It's an energetic form.

Speaker 3: So an energetic form one step removed from just ephemeral thought.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: So that pictorial image can represent a negative identity, okay,

or a feeling or a negative concept. So one of

the most common negative identities that we work with which

result from traumas.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: So, so what happens in a trauma is there's a

really bad feeling when that trauma happens, okay, and it

just stays there. It just just torments you forever. Now,

at the same time that that trauma happens, you make

a decision about what part you played in that trauma

and who you are as a result of it. When

that pain of that trauma stays there long enough, the

ego shows up and goes, hey, look at this has

been going on for weeks. You're not doing good with it.

Let me handle this. So it takes it and it

throws it up into your subconscious mind and it locks

it down. Now it becomes a negative identity. Something happened

to you. You make a decision because of what happened

to you, And one of the most common ones is

I'm worthless. It's one of the most common ones that

keeps showing up because of something that happened to them

when they were a kid or younger. They had this

concept that this happened to me, because I'm worthless I mean,

goes up into the subconscious. It's now held there. It's

now considered what we call a negative identity. So you

have positive identities, which you're a car driver, I'm a pilot,

or a podcaster. These are all positive identities that you've

created purposely. A negative identity was never created on purpose.

It was created by accident. The human being will not

create a negative identity that goes against itself on purpose.

They get created during a trauma subconsciously, and they're locked

into the subconscious and they're still alive. Okay, So what

happens now is that whoever, whatever that person is, like,

who caused that trauma?

Speaker 2: Okay?

Speaker 3: When somebody shows up that's similar to that person who

caused that trauma. That negative identity goes off and it

starts projecting outward onto that person similar to the one

who caused the trauma, telling that person to attack that

person or run from that person, or avoid that person.

There is a negative reaction.

Speaker 1: So somebody who's been in a car accent, very traumatic

car accident, they'll see somebody like driving a car back

and they'll overreact or something because they've had this this

energetic form in their brain. Well, somebody who's been abused

sexually or physically, that happens due to like if they

see the possibility of that happening again, right.

Speaker 3: Or if they meet somebody who reminds them of the

person who did that to them, that negative identity goes off,

it blows, and it projects that out onto this other

person and it says, this guy's way too close to

the person who did this thing to you. Either attack

them or run from them, or avoid them. So there's

a reaction. That thing blows. It's like a what do

you call it?

Speaker 2: A land mine?

Speaker 3: You know, it's got to have enough of that that

person outside has to be close enough to the person

who caused that damage to set that thing off. Every

time it goes off, it gets stronger, and it it

affects what you think, what you do, what you don't do,

how you react to people.

Speaker 2: You know. So it's not dead, right.

Speaker 1: It becomes a component of your personality.

Speaker 3: It becomes a component of your personality, okay, and you're

not aware of it, so you can't do anything about it.

So what MACE does that there's a that's negative energy.

It's a big pool of negative energy. MACE goes and

it identifies what feelings are in that that negative identity.

You know, anger, hatred, fear, all all these feelings that

are composed that negative identity. Okay, and then the person

is asked to turn it into an image. Once it's

an image, now we can get rid of it.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: So if you connect that negative energy to the person's spirit,

which is pure positive energy. So the Bible says, your

spirit is a spark of God. It's it's pure positive energy, Okay,

nothing negative about it. It is a it's a little

spark of God. Mays found that negative energy moves toward

positive energy. So work that does that in batteries, it

does that in circuits, so you get the flow of

energy is from negative to positive. So if you make

that connection, which what is what Mays does, between that

negative identity and the person's spirit okay, which is basically

a form of their attention, then what happens is the

spirit will take that thing and it will disassemble it,

it will discreate it, okay, and that thing that that

image would then disappear. And when it's gone, that negative

identity is gone with it, all right. So all these

fears that occur in childhood, the bad things that happen

to people that scar them for life, ma can get

rid of it.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: Now, what we've found is that the negative identity or

the negative idea, there's two things. A negative identity which

is made by a trauma, okay, and these negative entities

that are in schizophrenics feed off of that trauma. So

if you remove that trauma, you're taking away their food,

which is interesting and why they were starting to complain

that hey, we were we need food, we need you know.

So this is something that's approaching the treatment of not

only you know, regular different kind of psychological illnesses, but

it's making schizophrenic's better. So even if the voices don't leave,

they're more stable, they have less misery once they complete

a MAY session, if they're cognizant enough to do it. Now,

the person has to be able to concentrate. They need

to be able to form images. If they can't form images,

then this doesn't work. Now, working with schizophrenics, I've had

the voices block the process several times. The voices will

show up while we're working on a negative identity and

say stuff like, hey, this guy's crazy, he's stupid, don't

do this stuff, and they would start causing aches and

pains and mental fog, so they would interfere with this

thing working.

Speaker 1: Starts for interrupting. But what you're saying, it's not just voices.

There are physiological effects of this malady. So it's not

just voices. They are having brain fog and some other

physical response to this event too, Right, Is that we're

saying that's important, not.

Speaker 2: Just the mind.

Speaker 3: So so what the psychiatric mafia is saying is that, oh, well,

we can measure the e KG when when the person

is hearing voices, there's you know, there's a physiological response,

so it must be physiological. Okay, what Swedenborg says is

that it's internal and the internal thought sparks that the

physiological response.

Speaker 1: For people who don't know, you just mentioned an important name.

His name was Emmanuel Swedenborg. Can you do a brief

bio about him and why he's important to your research?

Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, he was. He was critically important. So,

uh when when I there's a book written by Wilson

van Dusen, who was a clinical psychologist working in California. Okay,

now he had retired while I was still working on

the front lines, and I'd read his book some time ago,

and he was talking about Emmanuel Swedenborg. Now Manuel sweden

was a Christian mystic who lived some three hundred years ago.

He was a chief mining engineer for the Queen of Sweden.

He made her fortune. He was one of the top

scientists of his day. I mean, he was highly highly educated.

He was psychic. He knew when things were happening. He

could go to the other side. He could talk to

dead people and and bring back messages from from the

other side. There was one time where the Queen of

Sweden was having an affair with a enemy of the

Swedish state, and she wanted Swedenborg to go the other

side and find out what the last message this guy

wanted to send to her before he died, and Swedenborg

went over there, came back and said, okay, I got

the information you want and she said, okay, tell me

what it is and he said no, no, no, and

she said, I don't have any secrets from my court.

He goes, no, no, no, no no, so he whispered

it to her and she fainted fell over. So another

one where this rich guy made a silver tea set,

had it ordered from the silversmith. The silversmith died and

it was very expensive, and the guy who ordered the

set didn't pay the wife and then said, you've got

to have the seat to prove you know before I

pay you. And she didn't know where the receipt was,

so she asked Swedenborg to go to the other side

talk to her husband and come back and tell her

where the receipt was. So he did that, he'd usually

stay away for three days at a time, came back.

He said, it's behind a fake drawer in his desk.

They opened it up and the receipt was there. So

after a brilliant scientific career, Swedenborg said, Jesus Christ showed

up to him and said, Okay, enough of this scientific stuff.

I'm going to give you access to Heaven and Hell.

I want you to interview the people there and come

back and write about it so people know what Heaven

and Hell are. And he goes, okay, your will okay.

So he did, and his first book was Heaven and Hell.

So while he was writing about I mean, he wrote

about both those. He wrote the book Heaven and Hell,

and he interviewed a lot of the demons in Hell.

Now Van Dusen in California was also interviewing his psychiatic

psychotic clients too and asking them about their voices, and

he was trying to make friends with those voices so

he could get more information out of them as to

what they were. Now, when I tried that at the

State hospital, the psychiatrists found out about it, they threatened me.

They say, you're making the patients worst. You keep asking

them questions. You're reinforcing their hallucinations, and you're making them worse.

I was ordered twice to not ask them questions about

their voices. So Vandusen was doing that even before I was,

so he knew what they were like and what he

found he was also a Swedenborgan. He found that there

was a one to one correlation between these evil spirits

that Emmanuel Swedenborg was interviewing, okay, and what his what

the schizophrenics were telling him, their negative voices were like, wow,

they were identical. Right, So when he wrote about it,

he didn't call them entities like I do. He was

still too unsure, you know, he was afraid that he'd

lose his licensees, his clinical you know, psychology license, so

he called them. He kept continued calling them hallucinations, but

he treated them in in the verbiage as entities. Now,

in order for me to speak like I'm speaking to you,

I had to drop my license, you know, because I

knew they would have went after me, they would have

drum something up, and they would have done it because

this flies in the face of what they're doing.

Speaker 1: All right, It's a more spiritual view of mental maladies, right.

Speaker 3: Yes, And that's what these things are. They are evil spirits.

I've spoken to them, I've been attacked by them. And

it took me probably two decades in denial, okay before

I came out with these these lists of twenty three patterns.

You know, and I want to bring this up again.

Those patterns are on my website at Jerrymarsinski dot com

under articles for any of you who are working with schizophrenics.

Go there, print out these these patterns and see for

yourself that they will tell you all these patterns exist.

Don't trust what the psychiatric mafia's telling you that these

are hallucinations.

Speaker 2: They are not.

Speaker 3: After twenty or twenty five years of denial. What I

did is I had these patterns and I started wondering, Okay,

what will happen if I started interfering with these patterns.

Now at that time, I was out of the state hospital.

I was working in the psychology department of the state prison, Okay,

and there were tons of psychotics there, especially meth addicts

who went psychotic on the meth.

Speaker 2: Okay, plenty of them. So what I did is I

formed a little group of about fifteen or twenty.

Speaker 3: I always had a little group of schizophrenics that I

made a deal with. I'll do whatever I can for you,

but I want you to tell me what the voices

are telling you in real time when we're in session.

So I had a window into their mind and what

these voices were telling them, what they were saying, how

they were reacting to me what they were telling them.

So it was like I could I could actually see.

Speaker 2: What was going on.

Speaker 3: And you know, they were not hallucinations. I mean, these

guys were carrying on and I was carrying on coherent

conversations with them also. So after a while, I got

to a what if I started interfering with these patterns?

So I started figuring out ways to interfere with the

twenty three patterns. And I would give each of these

guys in my schizophrenic group homework, and I said, go

home and go go to your cell and try this

stuff over the week. I'll call you back next week

and tell me what happened. That went on for years.

After a while, the voices started telling these guys, don't

go there, don't go to those meetings. It's stupid, it's crazy.

That guy's a nutcase, don't he already knows too much.

Don't tell him anything more. And all of them came

back complaining that their voices didn't want them going there,

that they screamed all the way until they got.

Speaker 2: To my office.

Speaker 3: And you know what, not one of them backed out

because the voices were demanding that they do so, which

is I have to hand it to them, because the

voices were making their lives miserable for coming to talk

to me. So after a while, after we started interfering

with enough of these patterns, these same guys started coming

back saying, the voices don't like what you're doing.

Speaker 1: Right, wild, how did you come up with twenty three

different patterns? Like how did that number arise? Did it

just come up?

Speaker 2: No, it didn't come up, It came up after years.

Speaker 1: Interesting.

Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll just read you a few of them.

You know, now, these are the operational definition of these

psychotic voices. Okay, they're negative, they're anti religious. They foster

and create negative emotion. They energy to energetically drain their victim.

They get louder after sunset. They get louder if they're ignored.

They foster self destructive behavior. They tell the person that

sabotage themselves to destroy anything they're doing that's good, to

kill themselves. They foster isolation. They want them isolated. They

demand the attention of the victims. They will not be

nord They maneuver for increased control. They gaslight the victim.

They manipulate perception. You know, the guy could be walking

down the street and somebody cracks a joke and people

start laughing across the street. The voice said, they're laughing

at you. They have complete access to the schizophrenic's memory.

They can pull up every rotten thing that he did

and rub it in their face until they get negative

and paranoid. They demand that the victim not tell anybody

about their presence. They will punish them for talking about them.

They're consummate liars. They lie about everything. You can't trust

anything they say.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: They consistently steer their victim away from joy or anything

that might generate joy or peace. They can commit, make commit,

make it. Can manipulate feeling without speaking. I mean, can

they just all of a sudden, the guy just starts

feeling depressed out of nowhere. They short circuit reason making.

These guys do stupid stuff. If the person gets bored, that's.

Speaker 2: What they want.

Speaker 3: They don't want any interference from family, friends, or doctors.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: Schizophrenics attack psychiatrists that are rate higher than any other doctor.

Their assault rate by their patients are higher than anybody else,

any other doctor. Okay, so they they've they foster selective forgetting.

They passed themselves off as the thoughts of the patient.

They want the patient to believe that the thoughts they

hear from the voices are the patient's own thoughts. And

if they buy that, they're done because they sound just

like and and that's that wasn't all of them, but

that's the gist of them. So this this was like

from from forty years of interviews with these.

Speaker 2: Guys, like how do they operate? What do they do?

Speaker 1: Jerry, it's amazing. Have you ever heard of the concept

of the twenty three enigma? No, that's a known number

in the occult. It's like a real occult number. These

guys use the twenty three and it pops up and

there's a movie about it with that comedian somebody in

the chats. What's the guy who was in Days VN Sierra?

What's his name? Please skipping my brain? Anyway, the twenty

three enigma comes from Burrows, who is like a black magician.

But it's basically two thirds of one is six sixty six.

So it's weird when you say there's twenty three of

these patterns.

Speaker 2: Well, there's a few more.

Speaker 1: There's okay, well that's good.

Speaker 3: There's twenty three that that matter. That's good and all,

there's twenty eight.

Speaker 1: Okay, well that's good. Jerry, we are at the fifty

minute mark. Do you have to I know you're have

limited amount of time. Do you have time for a

few questions?

Speaker 3: Let me tell you one little story first to kind

of pull us off. So what happened once these these

voices were getting pissed off okay, telling these guys not

to come. So what I was doing with interfering with

these patterns, they the voices didn't like that. Okay, So

these prisoners kept coming back saying they don't like that.

They don't like you, they don't like what you're doing.

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 3: That was the first thing. And then one guy came

to me. I don't know how he got into the

medical unit at the prison, but he knocks on my

door one day. I opened the door and I didn't

send him a pass, so I don't know how he

got in there. He says, the voices want to talk

to you, and I said, they want to talk to

me personally. He goes, yeah, they want to talk to

you personally. That had never happened before. It would ALWAYD

be through the patient. You know, the patient would tell

me what the voices were saying, and I would tell

the patient, we'll tell them this. So there was always

an intermedia. There wasn't any direct conversation, and I think

Van Duson did that, but I didn't. I found it

easier to go through the patient. So I was surprised.

This guy came out of nowhere and I said, well,

come on in, and you know, sit down, close the door,

and I go, well, what do they have to say?

These words came out of his mouth directed at me,

you have no right to interfere with our way of life. Boom, my, my,

My denial system cracked, it blew wide open. It was

already shaky. I mean I already had so much evidence

already that I think anybody else would have already decided

that these things were entities. But that was the straw

that broke the camel's back. And then I told this guy, said,

well tell them this, and he said, I don't have

to tell them anything. They can hear what you're saying,

they can see you, they can hear you. I don't

have to tell them anything, which was news to me.

I thought I'd had to go through whatever problem says

they was in their brain. Okay, So that happened. It

was like a shot across my bow, and I didn't stop.

So I was reading this book called The Voice of

Knowledge by a South American shaman, and it was talking

about the voices being parasitic entities. Right, So I brought

it into the prison with this one of the prisoners

I was working with, and I was always asking them questions.

I was always dragging up stuff. What do you think

of this? What do you think of that? You know is,

how does this fit?

Speaker 2: You know?

Speaker 3: I was asking them thousands of questions all the time,

you know, and I was getting, you know, consistent answers

from a lot of them. And I brought that in

and I started reading it and I said, I want

your opinion on what this guy's saying. And when we

got to the part where he was talking about them

being parasitic entities, all of a sudden, the prisoner in

my office just got this blank look and was just

staring with this crazy blank gaze at me. And I

looked up and I asked him, well, what do you think?

And he didn't answer. He's just staring at me with

this crazy look, and I went, oh, oh, he's going

to attack. Push my chair against the office wall just

in case he did. And then this electrical, loud, electrical

crackling erupted right behind my head. It sounded just like

an arc welder. It's like crack crack, crack crack. And

I'm looking at him and he doesn't respond at all.

He's just staring with this blank stare. And then that

electrical crackling starts moving along the wall to the right

and then up the right hand wall of my office,

just crack crack, crack, crack crack. I couldn't see anything,

I couldn't smell anything. It was just the noise, but

it sounded like electricity. And I turned to him and

it sounded just like an arc welder. And I turned

to him, I say, you hear that, And he doesn't

say anything. He's just staring at me, you know. So

it goes up to the ceiling and then across the

room where I could see him and where the noise

was coming from also, and I was halfway thinking he's

going to attack, so I was afraid to take my

attention off him. The crackling went down the left wall,

jumped into a rubber made trash can right by my

left leg, and I look down there and I see that.

I hear the crackling, but there's nothing in there. There's

no papers. The inmate porter had cleaned it out the

night before, and then it stopped. Boom, It just stopped.

And he slowly moves and gets up, and he goes,

I gotta leave. And he shuffles out, and I'm like, going,

get out of here, go go leave, you know. And

I got up and I examined the walls. There weren't

any burn marks on him. I went out into the hall.

The nurses weren't in yet, the doctors weren't in yet.

There was no rational reason for that thing to exist.

There was no cause that I could see. I didn't

call this back for like three or four months. I

didn't want to see see him. I don't want to

deal with him. Finally, my curiosity got the best of

me called him back and brought him in. And I

thought I was starting to lose my mind because there's

nobody I could talk to about this stuff. Nobody would

understand except the schizophrenics. I could talk to them about

this They understood. But nobody in the same world did.

So I had like a foot in both worlds, one

in the psychotic world and one in the in the

regular world, and the two just didn't mesh. So when

he came back, put out a pass for him.

Speaker 2: And he looked good.

Speaker 3: He came in, he had lots of energy. I was

expecting him to be a rag. I was expecting them

to have drained him to a pulp, okay, And I said,

you look good, you know, and he said, yeah, I've

been doing what you said. I haven't gained any ground

with him, but I haven't lost any either, you know.

So he was holding him off, and then I said

to have a seat, and I said, do you remember

the last time you were in here?

Speaker 2: And he said yeah.

Speaker 3: And I said, did you hear that crackling? And he

said yeah, I heard it. But he said I was

surprised you did. And I was that was that was

a relief, you know, at least somebody else had heard it.

I didn't fabricate it. He had heard it also, And

I said what was that and he said that was them?

I said them who? He said, the voices. I said,

the voices did that and he said, yeah. The voices

did that, and I said, what were they doing? He

said they were trying to scare you off, and I said,

well they they damn well did a good job of it,

you know. And then I then I asked him, what

did they tell you as you were walking out of

the office. You looked like a freaking zombie. You looked

like you were in some kind of trance. He said

they were. They told me to go get a shank

and stick it in your belly. And I was thinking, nah,

he wouldn't do that. And I've worked with him for

six months. He made good progress. He's holding the voices off.

Speaker 1: You know.

Speaker 3: I know this guy, and I said, I asked him,

I said, well, why didn't you do it? He said,

I couldn't find one and nobody would give me one.

Speaker 1: Right, So that's the only reason you made you weren't assaulted.

These are all really consistent with like demonic oppression and

stuff like that, where they talk in like we like we.

Speaker 2: Know this and yeah we yeah.

Speaker 1: It's like when christ met the uh the one with legion,

like we are send us into the pigs and us right.

Speaker 3: I haven't had had one of them respond back because

I asked heim what his name was, and he said,

we are legion, just like the Bible.

Speaker 2: Exact same thing. I think it's what happened twice.

Speaker 3: Okay, I only got about fifteen minutes or so.

Speaker 1: So okay, you can see you definitely have you have

some fans here, There's no question about it. Let me

check these, Let's see.

Speaker 2: We can come back in another time.

Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I'd love to have you back. I

feel like I could pick brain for hours at sea.

Speaker 3: Oh I just covered a fraction of what there is

to talk about.

Speaker 1: Michael says, good to see Jerry here in the channel.

I've been following it since since he first came out.

Very important information. Gerald talks about imagine for this is Kazinski.

Imagine as a society that subjects its people to conditions

that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them drugs to

take away their unhappiness.

Speaker 2: Yet and turn them into zombies.

Speaker 1: They're still unhappy, that's the whole thing that don't work.

Speaker 3: Yeah, they're still unhappy, but now they're zombies. They're not

full of human right.

Speaker 1: R Murray love this guy.

Speaker 2: Well, that's great. This, this surprises me.

Speaker 3: This, this, these reactions, I don't I don't usually get reactions.

Speaker 1: Art says he had full surgical awareness experience. Yes, these

are common A lot of people don't. You don't go

out to a bar until about your surgical awareness. But

if you get into people, they will tell you their

spiritual experiences. They're surgical, they're out of body experiences.

Speaker 3: There see the surgery awareness thing where that where he's

experiencing this comfort from that, that's something that Mace could

get rid of in an hour. It'll be drawn, it

won't be there anymore.

Speaker 1: Lee Has says, I love the work of Jerry where

Jerry Barzinski has done absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3: So this is this is interesting because I never get

to see the feedback.

Speaker 1: Well here's your chance, fast and Crow. The things they

see in here are never positive, always negative skills, always

open portal. The brain doesn't realize. I think you're right.

Speaker 3: Yes, these are the identities and they they blend with

the person's spirit and they want the person to believe

that the person is them, and they will tell them.

Speaker 2: You know, I had patients ask them who are you?

What are you? They say, we are you?

Speaker 1: Got Gerald, thank you, William. Jerry's a hero, so you

got I don't know about that, Leah Funny. I was

speaking to my aunt about Jerry's work because my aunt

had really had depression and she would hear voices when

entering at church and grave. It's all consistent, all consistent

with what you just said, Sam. Another great show, very fascinating.

Thanks guys, Thanks everybody for listening. Let's see nothing hard

man willing to stand up devil men. Oh there's a question,

Bart says, does Jerry think SSRIs can cause temporary psychosis?

Can you dress that?

Speaker 3: I've never heard of it doing that, but it will

gorky out and there are there are tons of side effects.

And like I said, fifty thousand people a year killing

themselves in the US, A great many of them on SSRIs.

You know, as a matter of fact, there's a warning

on some of the labels saying beware of suicidal ideation.

And they're still selling this crap.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, and they don't work us. They actually,

you hat really bad withdrawals, like Jerry was talking about friend.

Oh yeah, the nervous system, and I wouldn't.

Speaker 3: Be surprised if they formulated them that way, especially while

Butrin well Buttrian's almost as hard as getting off of

nicotine or heroin.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that too, look really good. The Uh

I've got a question for Jerry. How intelligent do you

believe these voices are? Do you have any thoughts on that?

Speaker 2: That's a that's a good question. Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3: Some of them are very stupid, you know. Some of

them are just morons, you know, Like there was one

that it would say hey, hey, hey to the schizophrenic,

and the schizophrenic was going, well, what does he mean hey?

Like horses eat? Or do it mean like hey?

Speaker 2: You?

Speaker 3: You know, but some of them are so friggin sly

and devious that it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2: You can read about them and uh, what is it?

Oh God, is it the screw tape letters?

Speaker 1: That's Lewis right, Yeah, Lewis.

Speaker 3: He talks about how sly and devious they are, I

mean beyond almost beyond comprehension, you know. And then they're

all all all all up and down the middle. They're

they're all different intelligences.

Speaker 1: Pasting says when they hear Jesus Christ out loud, they

playing crunch, We're at to font says, Jerry's a legend, Johnny,

I love Jerry Creek Guy amazing info. Gerald has another question,

do the voices aligned with historical entities like lesser Key

of Solomon deans these two questions lesser keif Solomon demons,

do individual voices exhibit a consistent personality or archetype. That's

a great question. I got to get the door. Sorry, Jerry,

I'll be right back and you answer that please, Yeah.

Speaker 3: I'll answer that. Well, they are demons. I don't know

about Solomon's demons, but they match the demons in the Bible. Okay,

they match what Swedenborg says about demons.

Speaker 2: All right.

Speaker 3: Now, with consistency the voice, the voices are like assigned

to destroy certain people. Okay, and those voices are consistent

the person would say, yeah, this one's been with me

for ten years or.

Speaker 2: You know.

Speaker 3: But their their personality is consistent. It doesn't change.

Speaker 2: Okay. Now.

Speaker 3: I did have one patient where it was a girl

where the boys wasn't doing a good enough job of

making her miserable. And there are echelons, so the level

above her came and removed that one and gave her

a much nastier one.

Speaker 1: Okay, sorry about that, guys, Jim Carrey. That's it. There's

a movie called twenty three. Let's see, we already answered

that we struggled out against flesh and blood. Yeah, that's

the famous Ephesian six twelve. That's a huge syge up,

convincing everyone there involved meat and not divine that's what

her soul's about. Yeah, it's a huge syge up. I

think that that's really it. Like Swedenborg's really interesting. I

was trying to remember. But he's influenced great artist like

Blake was by sweden Borg. He was considered a Swedenborgian.

Speaker 3: Yes, that's what that's what Wilson van Dusen was. So

when when I when that story that I just happened

that I told you about when I experienced that, I

didn't know whether van Dusen was still alive or not.

So there was a Swedenborg church in town and I

went there and I said, how can I get hold

of this guy? And Frank, the preacher there, knew him.

So I said, I need to find this guy. You know,

I experience the same kind of things he was talking about.

And he said, well, I'll put you in touch with him.

Speaker 1: And were you in northern California because he was in

center to Mendocino right.

Speaker 3: Now, yu kaya, I think it is.

Speaker 1: No.

Speaker 2: I wasn't up there, I was here, okay.

Speaker 3: So and and then I made contact with him, and

then he started giving me ideas about experiments to run

with them with the voices.

Speaker 2: Okay. So we worked together that way for a while.

And there was.

Speaker 3: One guy wrote thirty thirty Years.

Speaker 2: Among the Dead.

Speaker 3: He was a I think a psychiatrist. He would he

would give schizophrenic static electricity shocks and that would drive

out the voices. And then his wife was a medium

and she would talk them out to go into hell.

Speaker 1: So it was kind of like an exorcism.

Speaker 3: Though, yeah, kind of. And once she got them there,

once she got them into the light and had somebody

come and pick them up, the voices were gone then.

And that's the same thing to Baldwin does. He would

talk them into the light and there they're miserable. They

don't like what they're doing, they're bored.

Speaker 2: You know.

Speaker 3: Try making these people miserable over and over again. Their

higher ups tell them, you have no light in you.

If you don't do what we tell you, you will cease

to exist. Wow.

Speaker 2: Wow.

Speaker 1: And what you mentioned in your book is some of

these people are cured of paranoid schizophrenia. Right, they're literally

the voices do at times go away.

Speaker 3: Once the voices leave, all symptoms of paranoid schizophrenic leave

with them.

Speaker 2: There's a one to one correlation.

Speaker 3: If those voices disappear, the person turns back to normal. Now,

this is only with paranoid schizophrenia. There's other kinds, but

paranoid is the biggest. It's the biggest bunch, it's the

largest section.

Speaker 1: It's kind of like everything in the medical field. It's

all a misnomer. It's like a fake like a term

or something. It's a fake label. And once people get labeled,

there's power and labels themselves too. You can say to somebody, Oh,

you're depressive, or you're a paranoids getzphrintal, Oh I'm a

paranoid schizophrenic.

Speaker 3: That's a very debilitating label.

Speaker 1: Irish Rooster, great guest, Great Choso, Thanks thanks lot. Thanks

to Sean mccannonb Wake the Dead. You recommended Jerry as

a guess. Has this guy kai Kai Sniper? Has this

guy ever read gene Wolf? I don't even know who.

Speaker 2: That is, you know, I don't either have no idea.

Speaker 1: Jerry, this guy rules. That's Tim West. Okay, thanks everybody.

Thanks for all the great comments. I know, Jerry, you

got to go.

Speaker 3: I'm sure I got a few more minutes. Like, let's

let's run it for maybe another ten minutes.

Speaker 1: Okay, Well those are the end of the comments.

Speaker 2: Oh is it? Okay?

Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got through all that. We got one

hundred and thirty live listeners. Thanks everybody for listening. Jerry's

website is here, Jerry Marzinski all one word dot com.

I'll put a link to that in the show notes.

Is there anything you'd like to finish up with anything

I'm missed or anything you'd like to add?

Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know again, the mas energy method is

works better for psychological problems than anything else I've ever

seen in fifty years on the front lines and mental health.

You know it. It's it works with energy. It doesn't

You don't have to I don't even need to know

what that trauma would be, and it works anyway as

long as the person can recount the trauma. So for

people who've been sexually abused, I don't need to know

any of the details about that, just where it happened,

and the results are permanent. Once that negative identity is gone,

You're free of it. That energy now returns back to you.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean the basis of trauma is

the basis of so many people's problems in life. Yes,

I think that that's really like a lot of these

bad evil people and actors they like deliberately tried to

traumatize people. Yeah, like what is that that Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2: Yea Epstein, And what is that that?

Speaker 1: He deliberately tried to traumatize his victims. So it wasn't

just about the sex. It was like, I'm gonna really

wreck you and traumatize you, like make you a good

kind of like a slave by through traumatization. Like the

This is a common theme and a lot of its

victims who have been listening.

Speaker 3: And also that that government program what it starts with.

Speaker 2: The name kut mk Ultra. Yeah, same thing.

Speaker 1: They just had that hearing last week, so it's back

in the news. It's kind of interesting. Jerry, thanks so

much for your time. Really appreciate it. Thanks for all

the listeners. Please share the show. You can click the

notification button if you like listening in the chat's always

super smart. I really appreciate all the questions and the involvement.

I have a great chat and anything else you'd like

to add, Jerry.

Speaker 3: Nop Just you know, visit my website. There's a free

program on there for OCD and it also helps with schizophrenia.

It's called that that's a live program. It was developed

by Sherry Sweeney, my co author. She heard voices when

she was a young woman and she beat them with

that program alone. So even though it'll sometimes get rid

of the voices, works well with OCD. It will help

schizophrenics improve. So it because there's such liars. If you

don't believe what they say, they can't get their claws

in you, gotcha. So there's like three sections to it

and it's free. Just go get it under.

Speaker 1: Articles, Jerry. That's the best place to reach you as well,

is that website, right.

Speaker 2: Is your Well, that's the best best way to.

Speaker 1: Be you want to follow up, they can do it there.

We Our intro was basically covering your book, but there's

a lot more information that you have obviously, and the

book we covered is the one you published in twenty twenty,

an amazing journey into the psychotic mind, Breaking the Spell

of the Ivory Tower, and again The guest is Jerry

Marzinski m A. R z i n Sky. Thank you

so much for your time.

Speaker 2: Okay, you're welcome.

Speaker 1: Thank you, stay there,